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Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-rob-moore-throne-speech-1.5738578
Throne speech won't get Canadians back to work, Conservative MP charges
‘There’s the built-in disincentive for people to take available work’
· CBC News · Posted: Sep 25, 2020 12:03 PM AT
Rob Moore, Conservative critic for Atlantic Canada, accused Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of proroguing Parliament as a diversion. (CBC)
There is nothing in Wednesday's throne speech that will solve some of the fundamental problems with the federal government's support for workers during the pandemic, says Conservative MP Rob Moore.
Moore, the MP for Fundy Royal in New Brunswick and the Atlantic Canada representative in the Conservative caucus, said the speech was largely a rehash of things the Liberal government was already talking about.
"What in this speech from the throne speaks to the need to get people back to work and get our economy going again? Once again, very little mention for Atlantic Canada," Moore told Island Morning host Mitch Cormier.
Moore took particular issue with CERB and the program being proposed to replace it.
"In these programs, both CERB and the transition to an enhanced EI, there's the built-in disincentive for people to take available work," he said.
"I'm hearing that from constituents and small businesses. They say, look, I want to go back to work or I need to fill vacancies for employees and I can't do that because of the government's system."
Avoiding WE scandal
Moore said proroguing Parliament for a new throne speech was unnecessary.
"The anticipation, many felt, was, OK, there's going to be something in here that helps us get through this next year," he said.
"In fact, what we see is proroguing Parliament was just about ending the multiple investigations … into the WE scandal. By proroguing Parliament all of those House of Commons committees had to stop their work."
Conservatives have a plan to support Canadians while encouraging them to return to the workforce, Moore said, but the government didn't choose to follow up on any of those suggestions.
With files from Island Morning
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David Amos
Methinks
many Maritmers should agree that whereas I have ran against this
political lawyer 3 times thus far I should be entitled to post my
opinions opposition to his N'esy Pas?
David Amos Content disabled Methinks everybody knows about the battles between Rob Moore and I by now N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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WOW
David Amos
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Fundy Royal DebateDavid Peters
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Reply to @David Amos:
You did well in that debate, imo. It really showed that Moore is a neo con. Of course, blue, red, orange and green all think they know how to spend our $ better than we do.
You did well in that debate, imo. It really showed that Moore is a neo con. Of course, blue, red, orange and green all think they know how to spend our $ better than we do.
Al Clark
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Reply to @David Amos: I like chocolate
David Amos
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Reply to @Al Clark: I know a lot of people in Hampton SC where they filmed Mr Gump's doings
Fox Blew
Are there any Red Tories out there anymore?
David Amos
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Reply to @Fox Blew: Methinks they went the way of the Dodo bird when Elsie Wayne quit in 2004 N'esy Pas? Serious Reader
MP
Rob Moore...sir you have your (guaranteed) job and paycheck so you can
certainly afford to deal with whatever Covid throws your way...What
about those who don't have that option? Some have no other choice than
to go with CERB...or starve, lose their homes/cars etc...Bills need to
be paid...so unless you want to jump in and pay those bills for people
who are hurting, I suggest you keep your "vindictive" comments to
yourself.
David Amos
Reply to @Serious Reader: I Wholeheartedly Agree
Bruce Sanders
Reply
to @Serious Reader: And the reason people are in the predicament you
describe is because of poor decisions. Look at countries in Europe,
Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, all fully open and back to work AND the
classroom including Canadians in universities there. The 10 lane
highway south of Amsterdam is the busiest I have ever seen it. Current
deaths similar to here in Canada which by the way is lower than for
every, every, cause that StatsCan carries except for the category
"Information Unavailable”. Your issue is with the current PM and his
cabinet which is clearly incompetent.
JOhn D Bond
Complete
nonsense. More likely part time hours at minimum wage that simply
perpetuates poverty. Offer a living wage and full time hours and people
will be happy to work.
Would be very interested to hear about the Conservative plan. How it will help that avg person and small business and how much that will cost the taxpayers.
We have way to much noise involved in politics and not enough work by all of the politicians.
Would be very interested to hear about the Conservative plan. How it will help that avg person and small business and how much that will cost the taxpayers.
We have way to much noise involved in politics and not enough work by all of the politicians.
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: I concur
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: remove all the restrictions that the current governments have put in place. that is free.
"not enough work by all of the politicians." The PM ought to be leading this, but he does not have the capabilities and they don't have any skin in the game. Reduce the salary by 50% and eliminate all benefits of every elected official and the top 2 levels of the bureaucracy. Watch them all make different decisions salary benefits restored when the unemployment rate is back down to 5% and the government spending is back to 2019 levels. Netherlands unemployment at 4.5% now after being fully open for this entire 3rd Quarter. Canada at 10.2%
"not enough work by all of the politicians." The PM ought to be leading this, but he does not have the capabilities and they don't have any skin in the game. Reduce the salary by 50% and eliminate all benefits of every elected official and the top 2 levels of the bureaucracy. Watch them all make different decisions salary benefits restored when the unemployment rate is back down to 5% and the government spending is back to 2019 levels. Netherlands unemployment at 4.5% now after being fully open for this entire 3rd Quarter. Canada at 10.2%
JOhn D Bond
Reply
to @Bruce Sanders: So remove restrictions and expose people to
significantly more risk. That sounds like a winning idea.As for skin in
the game, and reducing comp of the politicians that might work somewhat.
But the whole issue is about Conservatives saying there is no plan and
blaming the Liberals. My point is/was the Conservatives have no plan and
your two suggestions would certainly not be a plan. How does that help
employment, climate change, ltc facilities, and the list goes on and on
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: " So remove restrictions and expose people to significantly more risk. That sounds like a winning idea"
What risk? We are almost at October 1. April is long gone.
95% of Canada's deaths related to Covid were prior to July 13.
Since the peak in early May mortality is lower by 96%.
The current death rate from Covid is lower than for every, every, cause that StatsCan carries except for the category "Information Unavailable”.
The reason Canadians agreed to stay home was to not overwhelm the healthcare system and that objective was achieved a. long time ago and is nowhere threatened.
99.98% of Canadians are left to pick up the societal and financial mess that the previous decisions have created.
Other countries, such as in the EU, have similar current stats as Canada. 95% of deaths in The Netherlands occurred before June 4, Germany - June 26, and Sweden - July 6
Canada will be left behind for decades with the plan being followed. The pandemic only exists by imagination, not by the data or the definition.
What risk? We are almost at October 1. April is long gone.
95% of Canada's deaths related to Covid were prior to July 13.
Since the peak in early May mortality is lower by 96%.
The current death rate from Covid is lower than for every, every, cause that StatsCan carries except for the category "Information Unavailable”.
The reason Canadians agreed to stay home was to not overwhelm the healthcare system and that objective was achieved a. long time ago and is nowhere threatened.
99.98% of Canadians are left to pick up the societal and financial mess that the previous decisions have created.
Other countries, such as in the EU, have similar current stats as Canada. 95% of deaths in The Netherlands occurred before June 4, Germany - June 26, and Sweden - July 6
Canada will be left behind for decades with the plan being followed. The pandemic only exists by imagination, not by the data or the definition.
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Bruce
Sanders: Not sure what axe you have to grind but just look at what is
happening around the world. Wake up, it is a big issue again. Forget
your cherry picked stats. The vast majority are only to happy to go
along with the expert advice on the issue. Guess what, once again there
is common consensus that the health care system is at risk of being
overwhelmed. So in my mind they should be more stringent. But feel free
to keep sticking your head in the sand. It is a free society
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: At least you have a Medicare card
During
my 70 years of existence. I've bought into Conservative rhetoric about
the reasons for poverty - lazy people who don't want to work. Then I
finally realized it was utter and complete nonsense and so very very
very wrong. Everywhere a guaranteed annual income has been tested it has
PROVEN results of less crime, less substance abuse, less spousal abuse,
less physical and mental illness, higher scholastic achievement. AND IT
COSTS LESS THAN WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING!! Expecting the
Conservative to fix things is a fool's game. They won't! They can't.
RUSSELL CLARK
Reply to @Terry Johnston: Like Trudeau has?
Terry Johnston
Reply to @RUSSELL CLARK: Like Trudeau has what?
Rose Hicken
Reply to @Terry
Johnston: Before the throne speech I read several articles that said
Trudeau's government would be making the guaranteed income their top
priority. But it wasn't even mentioned. The government whether Liberal
or Conservative want to keep poverty alive and well.
Terry Johnston
Reply to @Rose Hicken: Yes ma'am - that's why I vote GREEN! LOL
James Smythe
Reply to @Terry Johnston: This guy gets it.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Johnston: Well put
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Terry Johnston: I believe the UBI is a good policy ONLY if implemented correctly
1. The UBI needs to be placed into the Constitution (including #4 describing what is not permitted). I will never support UBI if instituted by statute. A Constitutional Conference could also be used as the opportunity to make other important changes – another discussion.
2. What constitutes basic income. To me, this is about “existence”. Not included then is money for a cell phone. No one “needs” a cell phone. Not included is money for a personal vehicle. No one “needs” to own a vehicle. This needs to be thoroughly thought through. The basic income amount needs to be in the Constitution. Here, this article states “It measures the basic necessities for living, including, housing, transportation, food, clothing and heat.” What exactly does this mean? To me, it’s an existence level, perhaps not even at the poverty level which always strikes me as high, and I have been broke twice in my life.
3. Once the amount is decided, the escalation factor needs to be decided. UBI will have to increase over time, I support this. How would this be determined? More thought required and this also needs to be in the Constitution.
4. The UBI MUST replace all other forms of payments, and credits (including income tax credits), from government. This includes EI, CPP, all income tax credits (federal and provincial), GST credits and so on. All other forms of any payment from the government. All of them. This is the economic win for Canadian taxpayers; you know, those who actually fund everything.
1. The UBI needs to be placed into the Constitution (including #4 describing what is not permitted). I will never support UBI if instituted by statute. A Constitutional Conference could also be used as the opportunity to make other important changes – another discussion.
2. What constitutes basic income. To me, this is about “existence”. Not included then is money for a cell phone. No one “needs” a cell phone. Not included is money for a personal vehicle. No one “needs” to own a vehicle. This needs to be thoroughly thought through. The basic income amount needs to be in the Constitution. Here, this article states “It measures the basic necessities for living, including, housing, transportation, food, clothing and heat.” What exactly does this mean? To me, it’s an existence level, perhaps not even at the poverty level which always strikes me as high, and I have been broke twice in my life.
3. Once the amount is decided, the escalation factor needs to be decided. UBI will have to increase over time, I support this. How would this be determined? More thought required and this also needs to be in the Constitution.
4. The UBI MUST replace all other forms of payments, and credits (including income tax credits), from government. This includes EI, CPP, all income tax credits (federal and provincial), GST credits and so on. All other forms of any payment from the government. All of them. This is the economic win for Canadian taxpayers; you know, those who actually fund everything.
Frank MacAulay
And ... this man wants to be part of making decisions for Canadians!! Sad!
David Amos
Reply to @Frank MacAulay: It worse than that
Rose Hicken
I
would love to find out what the Conservatives have in mind but although
I've searched online I haven't been able to find it. By saying what
they are saying about CERB and the people who depend on it to survive
they are shooting themselves in the foot. Who in their right mind would
vote for a party that thinks all Canadians are lazy bums?
Jos Allaire
Reply to @Rose Hicken: Like they are!
David Amos
Reply to @Jos Allaire: Methinks you would feel better if you had voted for me N'esy Pas?
Buford Wilson
Rob is right on this one.
James Smythe
Pete Kropotkin
Jos Allaire
Reply to @Buffoon Wilson: And wrong on everything else!
David Amos
Reply to @Buford Wilson: Yea Right
Mike Hamilton
Meanwhile,
jobs on the JobBank that would have been offering $17/hr are now
offering $14/hr because employers know there are a lot of people out of
work now and they no longer need to offer anything close to a living
wage.
David Amos
Reply to @Mike Hamilton: Methinks the Fake Left fixed that today N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
It's
pretty rich having Moore comment on laziness. A guy who graduated from
bible U (tough eh?) and immediately went to "work" for Preston and hence
has never. worked. a. single. day. in. his. LIFE. Shame on cerb for
competing with slave labour rates paid by the people he REALLY
represents! A laugh and a half!!!
David Amos
Douglas James
Reply to @Al Clark:
Methinks you should agree that unlike a box of chocolates political
lawyers are very predictable N'esy Pas?
Ron MacNeil
Our own Premier King said the very same words. All Con's trumpet this line......"CERB makes people lazy."
David Amos
Reply to @Ron MacNeil: Surprise Surprise Surprise
How nice that this highly paid arrogant politician has no faith in the people he represents.
David Amos
Reply to @Douglas James: Go Figure
So
let me get this straight, more money makes people lazy. By this line of
reasoning, I move for all politicians to reduce their salaries in line
with the median wage in Canada, and forego their health benefits, since
the majority of Canadians have to work 2-3 part time jobs, each of which
keeps their hours just under full time so benefits don’t have to be
provided. All politicians in favour say “I”.
*crickets*
*crickets*
David Amos
Reply to @James Smythe: I have said lots
Used
to work for this guy and his brother. Professional politician. His
resume includes owning a one truck landscaping company, very briefly
working as some sort of lawyer when he finished law school and then MP
for Fundy Royal. Basically went from lawn mowing to suckling on the tite
of Harper. He used to leave gd religious pamphlets in the truck for his
4 workers to read, so I guess he ain't changed.
David Amos
Reply to @Pete Kropotkin: Thank you for that
Methinks I should ask if you remember me constantly stress testing his integrity N'esy Pas?
Methinks I should ask if you remember me constantly stress testing his integrity N'esy Pas?
Jay Henry
Reply to @Pete Kropotkin: Great anaylsis from the guy who cuts grass for a landscape company
David Amos
Reply
to @Jay Henry: Methinks no doubt some folks would like to know what is
it you do that makes you opinion more important N'esy Pas?
Bruce Sanders
From the throne speech: "• “This pandemic is the most serious public health crisis Canada has ever faced”
Why has this not been called out by the ever loving press?
This statement in the speech is not anywhere close. Just over 100 years ago an estimated 50,000 Canadians died after contracting the Spanish Flu. This was 614 deaths per 100,000 people. After almost 8 months of Covid-19 in Canada, the death rate has been 25 deaths per 100,000 people and is currently lower than any cause of death for which StasCan tracks.
Currently, the death rate from Covid is lower than for every, every, cause that StatsCan carries except for the category "Information Unavailable”.
And all of this is the excuse for the other 25 pages of the speech.
Why has this not been called out by the ever loving press?
This statement in the speech is not anywhere close. Just over 100 years ago an estimated 50,000 Canadians died after contracting the Spanish Flu. This was 614 deaths per 100,000 people. After almost 8 months of Covid-19 in Canada, the death rate has been 25 deaths per 100,000 people and is currently lower than any cause of death for which StasCan tracks.
Currently, the death rate from Covid is lower than for every, every, cause that StatsCan carries except for the category "Information Unavailable”.
And all of this is the excuse for the other 25 pages of the speech.
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Sanders: Methinks you should consider running against Rob Moore next time the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?
Bruce
Sanders
Reply
to @David Amos: Decided not to run in 2019, and was my one and only
chance and I am happy with my decision. The long term solution is
educating the youth of this country to think logically. It's a tough
nut to crack.
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce
Sanders: Why? If you had witnessed a debate l had last fall at the High
School in the town where Higgy and his buddy Moore hang their hat the
youth would have changed your mind in a heartbeat
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