Sold! Goat Island in Grand Lake purchased for $90K
New owners say they hope to keep the tiny gathering spot accessible to the public
A small island located in Grand Lake has sold at tax auction and the new owners say they hope to keep it accessible to the public.
Gary and Julie Armstrong beat out several other bidders to acquire Goat Island, which has served as an unofficial gathering place for boaters in the region for decades, for $90,000.
"We just wanted the island to keep it in the greater Grand Lake area to let friends and family use it and everybody in the area as long as they respect the property and don't garbage it up," Gary Armstrong said after the auction.
The sale of the island created a bit of a stir. About 400 people attended the public auction at the Fredericton Convention Centre on Friday, far more than organizers were expecting.
Gary and Julie Armstrong say they bought the island in order to preserve access for the Grand Lake boating community. (Silas Brown/CBC )
In fact, so many showed up staff had to remove a temporary wall to expand the room and add additional seating.
Bidding began at $3,840.97, but after just three bids had reached $20,000.
Chris Spencer, originally from Chipman, has been visiting the island for decades. He and a few friends had hoped to buy the property for the same reason as the Armstrongs, but the quick escalation in the price stopped him from bidding.
"I didn't have as deep of pockets. I came here with a value in my mind, a price that I was prepared to pay," Spencer said.
Chris
Spencer had hoped to bid on the island to keep it public but was glad
to see it go to a fellow boater who had the same idea. (Silas Brown/CBC )
"I didn't even have an opportunity to put my card up. This thing got out of hand in a hurry."
Spencer says he's happy that the property ended up going to the Armstrongs. He said they've spent time on the island together in the past.
"It couldn't have worked out any better — I've known the Armstrong family forever," he said.
"I have all the confidence in the world that people will be able to maintain access."
Armstrong said it's important the island continue to hold its place as a boating destination.
"I have no plans to do anything with it — it was just mainly to keep it for the area," he said.
"As long as people look after it and respect it, there won't be any changes."
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David Amos
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Noel Fowles
They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity
It would cost a fortune to maintain and every spring there is a risk that 90% of that island would be flooded so anything still there would be washed away. This is the best outcome that could have happened.?
David Amos
You know why I laughed at Chris Spencer's lament correct?
David Amos
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Hmmm
Frank Brace
Goat Island, well-known stopoff for Grand Lake boaters, hits the auction block
'Can we stop at Goat Island?' Locals concerned they may lose access to spot where children, grandchildren swim
An island that serves as an unofficial gathering place for Grand Lake boaters is being auctioned by the province.
Goat Island is a 1.5-hectare (3.7 acre) island tucked between Cox Point and Wuhrs Beach in the northern part of the lake.
Its arrival at a tax sale is somewhat of a surprise to those who have frequented the island for decades.
"I really never knew who owned it and never really bothered to try and find out. I always assumed the government owned it," Brian Watson said.
Watson said many of his family members lived in the Grand Lake area when he was growing up and he later owned a camp on the lake for 40 years.
When he got his first boat in the 1960s, he began visiting the island. Years later, he took his son there and eventually his grandchildren.
"The island was directly straight across the lake from my place, so I got up every morning, looked out and [saw] the island," he said.
"We travelled out to the island quite a bit."
Chris Spencer and his family have been visiting Goat Island for decades. (Silas Brown/CBC News)
Chris Spencer, from the Chipman area, who owns a place in nearby Cumberland bay, said going to Goat Island is one of his earliest memories.
His children inherited his fondness for it and so have his grandchildren, he said.
"When we load the boat, even before the boat's loaded, they start asking, 'Can we stop at Goat Island?'"
This tiny island in Grand Lake is for saleHe said it comes back to there being very few beaches on the lake "where kids can get out and enjoy the water."
It's not steep, "you don't have to have that fear of somebody getting out over their head," and it's always warm because it's shallow. "That gravel base is what makes it so attractive," Spencer said.
Assessed value $3,500
According to the notice of tax sale posted by the provincial government, the island belongs to the estate of Lloyd C. Ryan and will be auctioned at the Fredericton Convention Centre on Jan. 17.
The province auctions properties with unpaid taxes, but a spokesperson for the province said the amount owing is not made public until the day of the sale.
Goat Island's assessed value is $3,500, and the 2024 tax levy was $62.29.
CBC was unable to find the Ryan family to get more details.
Unknown History
Joshua Green, the manager of the media unit for the Provincial Archives of New Brunswick, said information about the island is scant.
Little is known about the history of Goat Island. (Provincial Archives of New Brunswick)
It was first granted to Micah Y. Cox in May of 1883 and a portion was later purchased by the federal government from Eliza McBain for a "light site," in 1919.
No one is quite sure where the island gets its name. Some believe that nearby Cox's Point looks like the head of a goat. Green said that no information on the name or the use of the island could be found in the archives.
'Tremendous shame' to lose access
Spencer worries that the next owner could have a less relaxed attitude toward those using the island. Ideally, he'd like to see it in public hands.
"It would be a tremendous shame for the users of the lake to lose access to that asset," he said. "Provincial land around the lake is non-existent."
"Around Grand Lake you could probably count on one hand how many locations there are for public access to the water."
Both Spencer and Watson warn that the island wouldn't be particularly suitable as a spot for permanent structures, because of spring flooding and the local flora.
"You'd never be able to build on it — it floods every year," Watson said.
"There's a lot of poison ivy on that island, and when I used to take my grandkids and my son out there, it was like, stay out of the bushes."
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David Amos
Hmmm
Michael Kidder
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A deep thought?
Allan Marven
Very stange that you can absolutely not get a Gov't property lease on waterfront crown ground. Then this.
Michael Kidder
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Gosh, any possibility that laws have changed since 1833?
David Amos
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Nope
Michael Kidder
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Last update to the NB foreshore legislation was 2002.
I do remain perplexed by those who insist on proving they don't know what they are talking about. Why?
David Amos
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Perhaps you should ask yourself that question because since 1784 we have not had a Constitution that would justify the making of any laws
MR Cain
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Camp Lot Lease are available.
David Amos
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The declaratory power in section 92(10)(c) of the Constitution Act, 1867 gives the Federal Cabinet the power to dismiss any provincial act within one year.
David Amos
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You may claim that I don't know what I am talking about However you can't deny that I am known for arguing law on both sides of the 49th
MR Cain
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New Brunswick's foreshore legislation includes the Provincial Coastal Areas Protection Policy (CAPP) and the Fish and Wildlife Act. These laws protect the province's coastal features and wildlife. These are more recent.
Allan Marven
Lot of differece between "Geonb" property lines, and "Real Property Online" property lines. Funny thing, since both come from the same PNB property data base. Somethings fishy.
Michael Kidder
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There is a difference between apples and oranges too. Something fishy there?
David Amos
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Yup
MR Cain
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I can't see anything significant, one being a paid subscription with limited info, but they both display they are not error free. Goat Island was probably pretty low priority for updates.
ralph jacobs
Could the not put it back as crown land then everyone could use it.
Michael Kidder
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I would suspect that there is legislation around tax sales which precludes that. At the same time, given it is so cheap, perhaps the local residents could buy it and give it to the crown to protect in in perpetuity.
MR Cain
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That is the best and most logical.
ralph jacobs
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I did think that it would be nice for someone to buy but as crown land you would use at your own risk where if it is private property someone getting hurt on it could launch a lawsuit against the owner.
Michael Kidder
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Thus my recommendation that they buy it and give it back to the crown.
Michael Kidder
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Though; looking into that process makes it seem far more complex than one might think.
Allan Marven
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That would be the most obvious, and fair solution, but we all know how it goes. Somebody probably wants the beach sand for a golf course.
David Amos
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I would use it to raise chickens
David Amos
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and a few goats
Hugh MacDonald
Baaaaa!
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Humbug
Bobby Richards
According to GeoNB there is another property (PID 45176351) within Goat Island (PID 45041654). It has a separate tax ($100.78 in 2024) and is known as Goat Island Lighthouse.
MR Cain
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That would be the old foundation.
David Amos
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The plot thickens
50 feet inland from high tide is still public access no matter who buys the island.
Archie Mac
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The property line on an island in New Brunswick is usually marked by the ordinary high water mark (OHWM). The OHWM is the average of the highest tides in a given area. A licensed New Brunswick Land Surveyor can formally define the OHWM.
Brian Johnson
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You said "Usually".
When locals complain to their MPP & MP, Usually may become Never.
Andy House
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It's an inland lake which doesn't have "tides".
Archie Mac
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I also said a licensed New Brunswick Land Surveyor can formally define the OHWM.
Brian Johnson
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OK ... high water mark instead.
Locals will complain without access nonetheless
Andrew Clarkson
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Grand Lake is navigable waters emptying into the Saint John River. It does have a tide!
Andy House
Reply to Brian Johnson
Let's be clear - the story states that the island FLOODS in the spring so would you care to suggest where the "high water mark" is if the island is underwater?
Andy House
Reply to Andrew Clarkson
It is a minimum of some 30 km from tidal water and some 2-3 km upstream (and uphill) from where it's outlet stream enters the river so even with the high tides of the Bay of Fundy I would doubt very much that the lake has a "tide".
Andrew Clarkson
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Sorry but there is tidal effect in Grand Lake. There is tidal effect as far up the river as Fredericton, some 40 Km up the river from the outlet of Grand Lake. Mind you it's not a lot. Have been on the shores of Grand Lake for the past 6 decades of summers.
Ed Armstrong
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We've been on the lake for 40 years and there is a difference due to tides but the biggest difference occured when the upriver dams on the Saint John River release water. FYI the average high water level on the lake runs between 10 & 13 feet. Flood level is pegged at 5 metres above sea level for the western half of the lake. In a normal spring, my guess would be 60%-80%. Of the island would be under water.
MR Cain
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There is a survey plug on the wall of the old post office which states the elevation above sea level is 7.1 metres or 23 ft, which is about 23 ft above river. The reversing falls has an 8.5-metre (28-foot) tide cycle. Do the math. Yes, there is a tide.
MR Cain
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That is the Fredericton post office btw.
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