Friday, 31 January 2025

U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods will come into effect Saturday, White House says

 

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Friday, 31 January 2025

U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods will come into effect Saturday, White House says

 
 
 
 

New Brunswickers can expect to feel the pain from tariffs, business leaders say

The White House on Friday said U.S. President Donald Trump's deadline on tariffs still stands as Feb. 1

When it comes to the impact New Brunswickers may feel from U.S. President Donald Trump's promised 25 per cent tariff on Canadian exports, Ron Marcolin, Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters' divisional vice president for New Brunswick, said prepare for the worst.

"I think it is going to definitely hurt," said Marcolin.

"Consumers in this province have to realize that they may have sticker shock and ... feel some short term pain."

Marcolin said while some industries, such as oil and gas, forestry and agriculture, will be particularly impacted, no industry is immune.

While tariffs were an issue during the last Trump presidency, specifically on steel and aluminum, their target nature meant some industries were spared the worst.

. Ron Marcolin of the Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters Association says people should prepare for the worst. (CBC)

That won't be the case this time around.

"We'll feel the pain — we'll feel it immediately," said Marcolin

Marcolin said while manufacturers can adjust somewhat and sell more goods domestically, in many cases that's not possible.

He said a lot of the manufactured goods in New Brunswick are bespoke to the needs of a particular company, often an American one, so they can't just be sent to other markets.

Many companies have also linked themselves heavily with the U.S. market because of its geographic closeness and appetite for Canadian goods, but manufacturers are exploring other markets.

"This type of threat of tariff, though, allows the business owner in New Brunswick to say, 'OK, let's at least look at other markets and other options," he said.

Marcolin said manufacturers are looking more closely at markets in Mexico, Europe and Asia.

And it's not just manufacturers that will have to deal with tariffs, exporters will also be affected. 

 A man wearing a blazer and black-rimmed glassesCraig Estabrooks, the president and CEO of Port Saint John, said most of export business at the port doesn't go to the United States. (CBC)

Craig Estabrooks, CEO of Port Saint John, said they're working with the province to understand the effect of potential tariffs and what can be done to mitigate the damage.

When it comes to the port, the biggest loser may be the oil businesses.

"The liquid bulk business that is owned and operated by Irving Oil would be a very large exporter to the United States. So that's something we think about a lot," said Estabrooks.

However, it appears the port's growing container business may avoid the brunt of tariffs.

"Our container services today do not export to the United States," said Estabrooks. 

"The five container services we have today are north-south to the Caribbean and Latin America and then a lot of trade to Northern Europe and the Mediterranean."

A woman While Canadians will no doubt suffer from any tariffs, so will U.S. consumers, according to Michelle Robichaud, president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy. (Rachel Cave/CBC)

While Canadians will no doubt suffer from any tariffs, so will U.S. consumers, Michelle Robichaud, president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy, said.

Robichaud said a lot of products used in the New England region are produced or finished in the Maritimes, and any increase in price will impact our neighbours to the south.

One place New Englanders are likely to feel the pinch in their pockets is when they gas up.

"Eight out of 10 cars in the northeast U.S. are fuelled by the refined petroleum products that come from Saint John," said Robichaud.

"Ninety per cent of the jet fuel that goes into some extremely busy airports — Boston, Portland — that jet fuel comes from New Brunswick."

​President Donald Trump's tariffs on Canadian imports might be just a few days away. ​Jeanne Armstrong spoke to Ron Marcolin, the New Brunswick head of ​Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters​, as they brace themselves for what's to come.

Robichaud said businesses would likely have tried to move as much product into the U.S. as possible before any tariff goes into effect.

"They have been doing that since Trump was elected, stockpiling as they can," said Robichaud.

"They are preparing for reduced orders out of the U.S. They are preparing for an increase in price."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jordan Gill

Reporter

Jordan Gill is a CBC reporter based out of Fredericton. He can be reached at jordan.gill@cbc.ca.

With files from Rachel Cave, Information Morning Fredericton and Saint John

 
 
 
484 Comments 
 
 

David Amos
Legions of people know that on Valentines Day 2017 I discussed NAFTA etc with President Donald J. Trump's lawyer Mr Cohen 
 
 
 
David Amos
Trump thinks New Brunswick is a town in New Jersey
 

Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to David Amos
lol absolutely

Sam Smithmoose
Reply to David Amos
Hilarious. 😊

Denis van humbeck
Reply to David Amos
Trump thinks Ontario is in California.

Bob Leeson
Reply to David Amos
That explains why he's so angry at Ontario! lol

David Amos
Reply to Bob Leeson
Of that I have no doubt

David Amos
Reply to Denis van humbeck
Methinks Trudeau the Younger should agree that Donald and Dougy deserve each other N'esy Pas?



Chantal LeBouthi
Poor trump ha well good luck

David Amos

Reply to Chantal LeBouthi
Surely you jest
 


Sam Smithmoose

Can we get a different photo without 47? We know who he is.

Duncan MacLeod

Reply to Sam Smithmoose
The back end of a mule would do

David Amos

Reply to Duncan MacLeod
True

Sam Smithmoose
Reply to Duncan MacLeod
😂 
 
 

Anne Wallenberg
Survey: 96% of Alberta business leaders say Canada must retaliate on U.S. tariffs, 92% want united front between premiers and Ottawa.

https://discoverairdrie.com/articles/survey-96-of-alberta-business-leaders-say-canada-must-retaliate-on-us-tariffs

David Amos

Reply to Anne Wallenberg
Oh My My

Sam Smithmoose
Reply to Anne Wallenberg
Awesome info. Thank you for the assurance!



Denis van humbeck
Things were much better with Chretien, Clinton and Bush. And better with Harper and Obama. The last good leader in the U.S.A was Obama.

Sam Smithmoose
Reply to Denis van humbeck
Obama was outstanding. 🙂

David Amos
Reply to Denis van humbeck
I Disagree

Bob Leeson
Reply to David Amos
Yeah I disagree on the Bush and Harper part too.

Bob Leeson
Reply to Sam Smithmoose
Bush and Harper, not so much. lol

Sam Smithmoose
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 😊




Chris Jones
Trump said there’s nothing we can do about it. His excuses for the tariffs seemed pretty thin so all the attempts to placate him seemed to play to his riff but he wasn’t really serious about a lot of it, imo. He was pulling our chain. I mean, what does fentanyl or immigration really have to do with tariffs? Maybe he was surprised we went for it? The fact that he loves even the word tariffs so much indicates he likes the idea.

The only thing that I see tariffs as good for is to stimulate local industry to expand and create a domestic supply independent of foreign suppliers. That may be his reasoning but he doesn’t like many of us. He has friends here he says, but we call him a bully and we were never very nice or polite to him, especially our media.

And a lot of our rancour was in lock step with the partisans against him in his own country. It was organized and profitable for his opposition, and I mean money. Now he has power again, this is one way to use it to become more independent.

Bob Leeson

Reply to Chris Jones
Being friendly and bowing helps. Pence did, and it worked well for him. Except of course for the noose waiting for him at the end. Condolences to the families of the Capitol Police who lost their lives :(

Chris Jones

Reply to Bob Leeson
Being nice has a lot to do with reason, in my opinion. It’s a word that has changed significantly over the centuries to mean the opposite of its original meaning. There’s a cut off sometimes but it doesn’t have to be us that forsakes reason and Christian charity, if we actually believe in that. There’s nothing wrong with trying to reason with Trump but trying to run a play around him is foolish imo. We should simply accept what he’s doing and we can become more independent of them when they do it to us. I don’t think reprisals are the answer but it takes all kinds to make a Canada and an America.

I think it’s reasonable to say Jan. 6 was an attempt at a semi hard coup. But so was the convoy in Canada. That’s what we really have to watch out for.

Bob Leeson
Reply to Chris Jones
Recent history (well since Trump has been alive), has shown anyone/anything gets thrown under the bridge when those he uses begin to fail in executing his agenda. Let's not cave into furthering his questionable agenda. It will not work out for us in the end. Canada isn't any more special to him than any other entity he's used to further his goals.

Chris Jones
Reply to Bob Leeson
I agree that we can’t stop the tariffs but maybe states and provinces can work out independent agreements. But to do it federally is more risky. And USA control of our information space means we are still very vulnerable to more soft coups. It took a lot of denigration and calumny and slander but oil and gas, and a USA deep state never loved Trudeau anyway. He had his faults and I’m shut down about them also but they got rid of him, imo, and he was the best of a bad lot, and not too bad. Sometimes that’s all we get.
 
Bob Leeson
Reply to Chris Jones
Yes, I'm certain your leader would gladly retain her position as governor of her state by making an independent "agreement" with the US. Unlike you, I stand for our nation however, along with the other provinces of our great country.

You guys do you. Good luck!

David Amos
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Reply to Chris Jones
IMHO this nonsense is just another case of Dumb versus Dumber

Chris Jones

Reply to Bob Leeson
Defending my province of origin in this venue is likely fruitless. Like I said, there’s a cut off point for reason and you reached it.

Bob Leeson
Reply to Chris Jones
Bye-bye then. Hopefully you still have Obamacare next year.

Chris Jones
Reply to Bob Leeson
It may not be reasonable but I love Obama.

We are reminded that, in the fleeting time we have on this Earth, what matters is not wealth, or status, or power, or fame, but rather how well we have loved and what small part we have played in making the lives of other people better.

Barack Obama

Well actually it is reasonable to tell you that. It’s the one thing that might be. lol.

When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, you just let them talk.

Barack Obama

Here I’m advertising his wisdom, not my own.

Robert Audobon

Reply to Bob Leeson
Dani can do the bowing. She seems to have the lips for it..

Anne Wallenberg
Reply to Chris Jones
lovely, thank you!

 
 
 
 

Thursday, 15 February 2024

Donald Trump's 1st criminal trial confirmed for next month in New York

 
 

Marching into court!

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Thursday 15 February 2024

Donald Trump's 1st criminal trial confirmed for next month in New York

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-new-york-indictment-1.7115927

Donald Trump's 1st criminal trial confirmed for next month in New York
Jury selection set to begin March 25 in case involving business
records, hush money allegations

The Associated Press · Posted: Feb 15, 2024 11:53 AM AST


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RE FATCA, NAFTA & TPP etc ATTN President Donald J. Trump I just got
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U.S. tariffs on Canadian goods will come into effect Saturday, White House says

U.S. President Donald Trump says tariffs will eventually include Canadian oil

White House says Trump's tariff on Canadian goods coming Saturday
 
Watch CBC News Network special coverage as the White House press secretary says U.S. President Trump will implement a 25 per cent tariff on Canadian goods Feb. 1.

U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday offered vague details on his plans to impose tariffs on goods coming from Canada, Mexico and China, after a spokesperson said they would take effect Saturday.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the president would put a 25 per cent tariff on Canada and Mexico and a 10 per cent tariff on goods from China during a briefing on Friday.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office hours later, Trump said he expects the tariffs would include oil, gas, steel, aluminum, copper and microchips — but potentially with staggered dates and rates, depending on the product.

"We're going to put tariffs on oil and gas," Trump said. "That'll happen fairly soon, I think around the 18th of February."

He also said:

  • The levy on oil would "probably" be set at a lower 10 per cent, but it was unclear whether lower duties would apply from the start.
  • There would be "a lot of tariffs" on steel and aluminum.
  • Tariffs would "ultimately" include copper, though that will "take a little bit longer."
  • He was not concerned about the reaction of financial markets to his plans.

Trump's remarks were at times noncommittal, using words like "we think" and "probably" rather than the formal language for policy specifics set in stone. Leavitt said written plans would be available to the public on Saturday.

The lack of concrete details added another layer of uncertainty to the tense conversation around trade between Canada and the United States — a complex issue that carries consequences for an untold number of people on both sides of the border.

A man in a suit speaks into a microphone. Flags are drapped in the background. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau speaks during a first ministers meeting in Ottawa on Jan. 15. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has said Canada would have "a forceful and immediate response" to tariffs on Saturday.

"No one — on either side of the border — wants to see American tariffs on Canadian goods," he wrote on X.

The decision to impose tariffs stands to seriously harm both the diplomatic and economic relationships between the two countries, which are typically close allies. There are significant implications for major industries, like energy and automotive, that have long thrived under a variety of free trade agreements.

If Ottawa retaliates with its own tariffs as promised, it would amount to a trade war, which could mean higher prices and job losses nationwide.

CBC News has contacted the Prime Minister's Office for further comment.

  • What questions do you have about Trump's tariffs on Canadian goods? Fill out this form and you could appear on Cross Country Checkup or have your comment read on air.

Earlier Friday, Leavitt dismissed a Reuters report that said tariffs would not begin until March 1.

"I saw that report and it is false," the press secretary said.

Trillion-dollar trade relationship

The trading relationship between Canada and the U.S. is enormous, to put it mildly. Roughly $3.6 billion worth of goods went back and forth over the border every day in 2023, according to Ottawa, making the relationship worth a trillion dollars a year.

Out of all the goods Canada exports to other countries, more than three-quarters goes to its southern neighbour. The automotive and agriculture sectors are key, but oil and gas lead the pack: Roughly 80 per cent of Canada's oil and 60 per cent of its natural gas go to the United States.

The move also means Canadian companies will have a harder time selling to American importers, since those importers will have to pay the tariffs. Canadian exporters will need to cut prices, and sacrifice profit, to offset the tax or try to find a patchwork of new buyers to make up for losing American business.

On Friday, Leavitt said Trump was moving for tariffs against Canada, Mexico and China because "fentanyl that has been seized at the southern border in the last two years alone has the potential to kill tens of millions of Americans."

Around 108,000 people in the U.S. died from drug-involved overdose in 2022, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The organization said the number of people dying from drug overdoses in the U.S. has been dropping, declining by roughly 14 per cent from June 2023 to June 2024.

Ontario Premier Doug Ford has warned tariffs could cost up to a half-million jobs in his province, where the sprawling auto-assembly industry is closely linked to the U.S. Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Andrew Furey said Trump's move could cost thousands more jobs there, while B.C. Premier David Eby said a long-lasting trade war could cost nearly $70 billion in economic activity out west by 2028.

Trump sees tariffs — taxes one country places on another's foreign goods — as a way to protect American manufacturing and strengthen the wider economy. He has repeatedly said foreign countries pay tariffs when, in fact, they are paid by American importers.

Those companies then typically pass those costs onto their customers in the form of higher prices — which is why economists have warned it could ultimately be the public that pays the price in a tariff war.

WATCH | Some supporters back Trump's plan, even if it hurts allies:
 
Why grassroots Trump supporters back his 'America First' vision
 
The Trump 2.0 administration is re-imagining the United States as a protectionist and 'America First' nation. Some experts say it’s a new and dangerous era in U.S. foreign policy, threatening the interests of allies, such as Canada. But many Trump supporters are 100 per cent on board with that.

When Trump initially threatened to impose the tariffs, he said they would be a response to what he called inaction by Canada and Mexico on illegal drugs and migrants entering the U.S., though officials have said less than one per cent of fentanyl or migrants entering the U.S. come from Canada.

Still, the Canadian government pulled together a $1.3-billion plan to boost security at the border in December to try to appease the incoming president. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who is in his final months of power, had promised "robust, rapid" and "very strong" retaliatory measures if Trump made good on his threats.

Trump also has said the tariffs are a way to put pressure over the United States' trade deficit with Canada, which he has incorrectly described as a subsidy. He has also said he would use economic force to turn Canada into the 51st state.

For decades, most goods have flowed tariff-free between Canada, Mexico and the United States because of free-trade agreements, the most recent of which were the Canada-U.S.-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) and, its predecessor, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). Even when American tariffs are in place for other countries, they're often far from 25 per cent — 2.5 per cent on passenger cars or six per cent on golf shoes, for example. 

On Sunday, Colombia agreed to accept flights carrying deported migrants from the U.S. after Trump threatened to hit that country with its own set of tariffs for initially turning those flights away. The showdown served as a warning about the U.S. president's willingness to punish nations that interfere with his plans.

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With files from Reuters

 
 
 
 

Trudeau says Canada 'ready' for Trump tariffs as ministers make final push in D.C.

Cabinet ministers are in Washington in last-ditch effort to stop tariffs

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says Canada is ready to deliver a "purposeful, forceful but reasonable, immediate" response if U.S. President Donald Trump imposes tariffs on Canadian imports.

During an event in Toronto on Friday, Trudeau said that it's "not what we want, but if he moves forward, we will also act."

Trudeau later met with the Canada-U.S. cabinet committee as key ministers made a last-ditch attempt to stop Trump's tariff plan in Washington, D.C.

Three federal cabinet ministers are in Washington as it appears Trump will slap 25 per cent tariffs on Canadian imports as early as Saturday.

Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly, Public Safety Minister David McGuinty and Immigration Minister Marc Miller are all in the U.S. capital making a final diplomatic push to convince Republican lawmakers and Trump's team to sway the president.

WATCH | Trudeau says Canada is 'ready with a response' to looming U.S. tariffs: 
 
Trudeau says Canada is 'ready with a response' to looming U.S. tariffs
 
If U.S. President Donald Trump chooses to implement tariffs on Canada, the country is ready to respond immediately, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday while delivering remarks at a meeting of the Council on Canada-U.S. Relations. Trudeau said it’s not what Canada wants, but the country is ready for any scenario.

The tariffs are "not hostile moves," said U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on The Megyn Kelly Show on Thursday.

Rubio said he doesn't think Canada is a strategic threat to the United States. Pointing to his meeting with Joly earlier this week, Rubio said Canada and the U.S. have shared interests along the border.

"They're good friends. I mean, we work with them on a lot of things," he said. "We have a deep partnership with them, but there are some issues we're going to need to address."

Trump initially claimed his tariff threat was in response to a failure by Canada and Mexico to curb the illegal flow of people and drugs across the border.

Trudeau today tried to reassure Canadians, while acknowledging Canada "could be facing difficult times in the coming days and weeks."

"I won't sugarcoat it," he said.

  • Just Asking wants to know: What questions do you have about how U.S. tariffs would affect Canada? Fill out the details on this form and send us your questions ahead of our show this Saturday.

Trudeau said he knows Canadians "might be anxious and worried, but I want them to know the federal government, and indeed all orders of government, have their backs."

Finance Minister Dominic LeBlanc posted a video on Thursday describing Canada's border security efforts to Trump's nominee for commerce secretary.

On Friday, Trudeau said Canada has responded to Trump's concerns with a $1.3-billion border security plan.

"In fact, the first patrol helicopters began monitoring the border earlier this week, and new canine teams, along with imaging tools, are being deployed to detect and stop the flow of fentanyl," he said.

He noted less than one per cent of fentanyl and illegal crossings into the United States come from Canada.

Freeland says Canada should target Tesla

Chrystia Freeland — who is running in the Liberal leadership race to replace Trudeau — said Friday that Canada should target Tesla and U.S. alcohol as part of its tariff retaliation package.

In an interview with The Canadian Press, Freeland said there should be a 100 per cent tariff on all U.S. wine, beer and spirits, and on all Teslas — and make sure Wisconsin dairy farmers feel the pinch as well.

The move would target Tesla CEO Elon Musk and other political power brokers and lobby groups.

Freeland says Canada needs to give Trump's closest supporters a wake-up call with the message that if you hit Canada, it will hit back — and it will hurt.

Tesla's chief financial officer warned on an earnings call earlier this week that tariffs could hurt the company's profitability.

 
 
 
 
 

Holt lays out policy goals but acknowledges tariffs will hit N.B. hard

In state of province speech, Holt sets out 15 performance targets, says Trump threat has ‘changed the game’

Premier Susan Holt set out a list of targets Thursday night that she says she wants her government to be judged on, while acknowledging a new level of uncertainty about New Brunswick because of the U.S. tariff threat.

Holt used the annual state of the province address — her first as premier — to set out 15 measurements in health care, affordability, housing, education and the environment.

"These 15 metrics are the metrics we are going to stick with for the next four years," said Holt, who described herself as a "data nerd" and promised to put the same targets on the screen at next year's speech.

"The economic winds are blowing pretty hard and cold in our faces right now," she said.

On Wednesday Holt said broad tariffs could cost the province 4,000 to 6,000 jobs. In Thursday's speech, she said they could wipe out between 1.3 and three per cent of the province's gross domestic product. 

Trump said this week he'll probably impose 25 per cent tariffs on Canada and Mexico on Feb. 1, but Holt said some economic activity is already declining because of the threats.

An elderly man with blond hair is seen in a close-up photo. Holt spoke about how U.S. President Donald Trump's threats of tariffs on Canadian exports could cost New Brunswick 4,000 to 6,000 jobs. (Mark Schiefelbein/The Associated Press)

"I can't sugarcoat it. It's going to hit New Brunswick really hard. … It has changed the game in terms of what we think we'll be able to do in the year ahead."

The bleak message off the top — Holt's most sombre description of the possible impact so far —  gave way to a lighter tone when she unveiled the 15 targets in a way that broke from the usual format of the State of the Province speech.

Traditionally, the premier of the day is the sole focus, using the event to outline their leadership and vision directly to New Brunswickers via a local cable television broadcast.

But Holt invited five of her cabinet ministers onstage to help lay out the measurements, often bantering with them during carefully rehearsed presentations. 

"Fancy seeing you here," she said to Education Minister Claire Johnson.

WATCH | How exports informed Holt's job loss calculations:
 
Susan Holt predicts N.B. will lose 6k jobs from U.S. tariffs. How did she land on that number?
 
Premier Susan Holt explains how she came up with the number of jobs U.S. tariffs will cost New Brunswickers.

"It's almost like we planned it," Johnson joked before listing goals of improving literacy and math assessments across the anglophone and francophone school systems by about five percentage points each.

Some of the metrics were repeats of election promises, such as the promise to increase the number of people with a doctor or nurse practitioner from 79 per cent, the figure last year, to 85 per cent.

Other targets were new, including improving the rate of wage growth from 2.5 per cent between 2014 to 2019 to three per cent between now and 2028.

Two women Traditionally, the state of the province address as been a one-person show, but this year Holt invited several cabinet ministers, including Education Minister Claire Johnson, onstage to talk about their portfolios. (Ed Hunter/CBC)

Holt also promised a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions relative to the province's gross domestic product, from 323 tonnes per $1 million to 253 tonnes. 

"We want to make sure we're not growing our emissions at the same rate as our GDP," she said, acknowledging the quantity of climate-warming emissions may still grow overall.

On one target — improving the air quality in government buildings — the premier acknowledged the government doesn't have a measurement of the situation now.

"We didn't have any data. It's a little shocking and frustrating that we don't know the state of the air and its quality in schools, hospital and public buildings in New Brunswick," Holt said.

But, she added, after debating whether to remove the goal, she decided to leave it in with a precise number to be determined later.

WATCH | Holt says more cuts will be required to balance budget:
 
U.S. tariffs will hurt N.B.’s economy. Does Holt regret promising a balanced budget?
 
Premier Susan Holt says Donald Trump’s tariffs will make balancing New Brunswick’s budget more difficult.

"That'll force us to understand where we're at and then get to work improving the air quality that affects our kids, our patients and everyone in New Brunswick." 

Speaking to reporters after the speech, Holt said the targets were important even though Trump's threats have injected so much uncertainty.

"Imagine if we didn't have any targets," she said.

"We believe these are the right goals for New Brunswickers and their future, and as the conditions change, we will have to adjust our plans to how we're going to achieve those plans, but the goals aren't going to change." 

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

 
Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

 
 
 
243 Comments



David Amos

Trump thinks New Brunswick is a town in New Jersey



Arron Wheatly
All of this could have been avoided if the government did its job.

Georges Kanouté
Reply to Arron Wheatly
Since when is it Canada's job to control the US's borders?

Ray Fox
Reply to Georges Kanouté
Great point. Donald called it the Canadian border and Justin had no answer.

David Amos

Reply to Ray Fox
Dumb versus Dumber



Brian McHomen
It’s a serious issue that requires a serious qualified person to guide the country through it. A person globally renowned in economics and finance. Someone with experience in guiding two G7 economies and has a background to back it up. The time for immature people whose sole accomplishment is coming up with three word slogans has passed. Serious times require serious leaders

David Amos

Reply to Brian McHomen
Surely you jest  

Dennis Woodman
Reply to Brian McHomen
The time for you posting this over and over has passed. 
 
 
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/tariff-support-solutions-us-nb-holt-1.7444971

 

N.B. braces for thousands of job losses as feds prepare tariff support options, premier says

Susan Holt says the real cost will depend on details of potential tariffs

Premier Susan Holt says the federal government outlined a number of programs to help blunt the impact of U.S. tariffs during a virtual first ministers' meeting Wednesday.

 A universal 25 per cent tariff on Canadian goods going to the U.S. would cost the province 4,000-6,000 jobs, Holt said, but it's hard to know just how much federal and provincial cash would be needed to respond.

In some cases, because production has moved to the U.S., or "because that hit to demand will just mean that production will have to reduce, shifts will have to reduce and volumes of employees will have to reduce," she said.

"We don't have a dollar figure for exactly how much help the federal government needs to give us as we figure out what tariffs are being put in place, if they're being put in place."

WATCH | 'We're still operating in the unknown,' premier says:
 
U.S. tariffs would put up to 6K N.B. jobs at risk, Holt says
 
The federal government is crafting support programs as the country braces for potential U.S. tariffs of 25 per cent. Premier Susan Holt says those programs could include adjustments to employment insurance and credit programs for businesses.

Holt spoke with reporters following Wednesday's meeting to fine tune retaliatory measures should U.S. President Donald Trump follow through with his threat to impose tariffs on Feb. 1. The federal government is also readying some programs to lessen the blow, should it come. 

"The federal government came to the table and presented us with — I think it was five or six different things that they could do ... We thought those were positive and interesting but we all want more details," Holt said.

Details on those options remain sparse, she said, but may include adjustments to employment insurance and credit programs for businesses. 

However what any of that looks like depends on what comes out of the Oval Office.

"We're still operating in the unknown," she said.

"Right now we still don't know what sectors, we still don't know to what extent, we don't know for how long."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


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Video journalist

Silas Brown is a Fredericton-based video journalist. You can reach him at silas.brown@cbc.ca.

 
 
 
 

Tuesday, 17 December 2024

Holt says premiers are united on Trump's tariff threat amid Trudeau turmoil

 

 

Holt says premiers are united on Trump's tariff threat amid Trudeau turmoil

Premiers met to discuss strategy as Chrystia Freeland resigned from federal cabinet

New Brunswick Premier Susan Holt took part in another premiers' meeting on Monday, a day of upheaval for the federal government.

The premiers' latest meeting on the Canadian response to U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's threat of 25 per cent tariffs on Canada, came on the same day as the shock resignation of Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland from the federal cabinet.

"More than ever, the premiers see the need to provide the kind of stable leadership that Canada needs right now in the face of a serious threat to Canadians, Canadians' jobs, our economy and our well-being," Holt said in an interview with CBC News as she was leaving Toronto after the premiers' meeting. 

"And so we are. We all agree that we have to."

Hold said the premiers would work together to demonstrate Canada's commitment to NATO, the integrated economies between both countries, and how the tariffs would hurt both sides of the border. 

It was announced late Monday afternoon that Dominic LeBlanc, a federal minister from New Brunswick, will replace Freeland as finance minister.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland hold a press conference in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 6, 2021. The premiers meeting in Toronto on Monday came at the same time as Chrystia Freeland resigned from the federal cabinet. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)

"It certainly would be great to have somebody who understands New Brunswick so well in that critical role," Holt said of LeBlanc.

"And really what we're looking for right now is to have a strong and stable negotiator to be leading the charge to demonstrate to the Trump administration why these tariffs are a really bad idea for Americans and Canadians and how there's a better path forward that we can do together."

LeBlanc was part of the group that went to Florida with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau recently to meet with Trump to discuss his tariff threat, but Holt said that meeting was only discussed briefly at Monday's premiers' meeting.

On a day when all federal opposition leaders called for Trudeau's resignation, Holt did not directly answer whether she still had faith in the prime minister to negotiate with Trump given the turmoil, but again the Liberal premier emphasized the strength of the premiers' group.

"I think what I have a lot of confidence in right now is the strength of Canada's premiers and the Council of Federation table," Holt said.

"And we are looking for the federal government to ensure that we have someone in place to co-ordinate and lead these negotiations who we know is gonna be there. And maybe it's away from some of the distractions of the moment in Ottawa."

Holt said it is important now to have "strong, aligned" premiers.

Multiple men and women smile for a photo at a table Dominic LeBlanc, far left, was part of Trudeau's trip to Florida last month to meet with Trump. It was announced Monday that LeBlanc was replacing Freeland as finance minister. (@DaveMcCormickPA/X)

"Each of us has a stable mandate in our own provinces and a firm commitment to work together as a team for Canada."

After the meeting, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith told reporters that her government will have dedicated teams of law enforcement to "augment" federal border authorities near the U.S. border in Alberta to search for drugs. 

When asked if New Brunswick was considering anything similar, Holt said the province already has trouble filling RCMP and policing vacancies and would consider using some peace officers to support federal border agents. But she said that it's really a federal responsibility.

Holt said the premiers all agree on a multi-pronged strategy, which includes upping border security as well as preparing for the worst if Trump does implement tariffs regardless. Holt previously said everything was on the table.

"Lots of willingness to listen to each other, to compromise, to find solutions we could all get behind. And so there was lots of differences around the table, but folks who could find a way forward through different points of view."

The Eastern Premiers and New England Governors group met last week, Holt said, and there were positive conversations.

"What we heard from those governors was that they see how hurtful this could be to the American economy and they have concerns, Republican and Democrat governors alike, have concerns about the negative impact on Americans and on their states," Holt said.

But premiers are still waiting to hear details on how the federal government plans to increase border security, which she said had been expected in the delayed financial statement Monday.

The federal government's fall economic statement was delayed by hours on Monday after Freeland resigned, but it was ultimately tabled late in the afternoon.

The document signals that the government is willing to spend more on the Canada Border Services Agency, the RCMP, Public Safety Canada and the Communications Security Establishment, but it's light on details about how that money will be spent.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Sam Farley

Journalist

Sam Farley is a Fredericton-based reporter at CBC New Brunswick. Originally from Boston, he is a journalism graduate of the University of King's College in Halifax. He can be reached at sam.farley@cbc.ca

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249 Comments
 
 
 
David Amos
When the Eastern Premiers and New England Governors group met last week I wonder if my name came up

 
 
 
David Amos 
Welcome back to the circus 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
I get a chuckle out of the young fella seated behind Trump
 
David Amos
I see that the horned owl is back 



Lynette Browne
"The federal government says it will unveil details later today about how it intends to spend $1.3 billion to secure the Canada-U.S. border as it tries to allay president-elect Donald Trump's concerns."

For the Don's on this article.....

David Amos

Reply to
Lynette Browne
This is your version of moving on?
 
Brian McHomen
Reply to Lynette Browne
Honestly, I don’t think that 1.3 billion is enough.
 
Bob Enrob
Reply to Lynette Browne
Wild how slow this government is, they still wouldnt be calling for life boats on the titanic.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Brian McHomen
I'm curious why we are still thinking we have to deal with the inefficiencies of the US CBP agents. If they can't do their job, why is it our responsibility? Trump tried the same tactic w/ Mexico the last term, saying they would pay for the wall. Mexico said no.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to David Amos
Handily the article popped up right on cue.

You?
 
Brian McHomen
Reply to Lynette Browne
I think both sides of the border need to be tightened up. As they complain about our side, it’s also a fact that we see the majority of our drug problem and illegal guns entering our country from the US
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Brian McHomen
Yes, I agree with the fact we also have leaky borders. but, that is not the motivation of Trump's bully tactics.

It was reported CBP officers were transferred down to the southern border instead of hring more officers, leaving those on the northern border to be "swamped", according to the report.

So, again, why are we having to deal with their issues. Smith is spending $29 million, in part to stop illegal stuff going into the US.
 
Bob Enrob
Reply to Lynette Browne
what do you think our his motivations?



Dave Sellers
LeBlanc

Minister of Everything
 
Gordon MacFarlane
Reply to Dave Sellers 
Master of none 
 
Geordan Mann
Reply to Dave Sellers
JT puppet to the end
 
Dave Sellers
Reply to Gordon MacFarlane
No, 23's last friend.
 
Gordon MacFarlane
Reply to Dave Sellers
Perhaps it will be his job to put the lid down on this govt and flush

David Amos
Reply to
Gordon MacFarlane
Bingo



Walter Vrbetic
 CNBC story...
 
"Peter Navarro, who is set to become the top trade advisor to President-elect Donald Trump, argued Tuesday that Trump’s plans for broad tariffs and steep tax cuts will not spur inflation or raise deficits, despite warnings from some experts."

Rose tinted glasses are popular with the Trump crowd!
 
Dave Sellers
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Off topic..

Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Dave Sellers
Topic is tariffs... comment is, ready for it... tariff related!

Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Dave Sellers 
Directly related to fourth last paragraph, impact of tariffs on US economy!

'"What we heard from those governors was that they see how hurtful this could be to the American economy and they have concerns, Republican and Democrat governors alike, have concerns about the negative impact on Americans and on their states," Holt said.'
 
Eric Hamilton
Reply to Dave Sellers
Nope. On topic, article is about US tariffs.

Lynette Browne
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
He picks the right crew to keep his orange glow :)

David Amos

Reply to
Eric Hamilton
I concur
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to Lynette Browne
But does he glow in the dark?

Lynette Browne
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
He would not be my choice of a person to be in a dark room with.



Jimmy Cochrane
I'm afraid Canada is NOT united.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Well, on this important issue we are. And, prior to yesterday's chaos, the premiers had already met with Trudeau who presented them a plan (that was supposed to be discussed publically yesterday). But, well, we all know what happened instead......
 
Don Corey
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
I'm afraid we're lacking a leader.
 
Jimmy Cochrane
Reply to Don Corey
But it's Trumps fault isn't it ?
 
Don Corey
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
I guess some see it that way, but we've actually been in this sad situation for about 3 years or so.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Correction. The premiers are lacking an actual plan. That's what they were asking for yesterday (take the time to listen to what they actually had to say). Empty words are worthless when we need a real action plan that includes timely and appropriate steps to address what needs to be done, now.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
Again, they met with the PM in the past few weeks twice, and were presetned a plan.

What part is difficult to understand? Smith mentioned it in her power play interview last week.
 
Denis van humbeck
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
Voters of Canada's fault.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Again, the "plan" was simply "words". The premiers want a real action plan.

What part of this are you unable to understand? Do you not read what you don't like to be told?
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Did you not read this in the article?

"But premiers are still waiting to hear details on how the federal government plans to increase border security, which she said had been expected in the delayed financial statement Monday."

It's now been confirmed that the sad excuse for a financial statement (that was eventually released) contained some funding but absolutely no details, and certainly no action plan.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
And, again, a plan was shown to the premiers last week. This has been acknowledged by the premiers. What part do you not get.

Anyway, moving on.
 
Dave Sellers
Reply to Lynette Browne
Yes..why don't you?
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Again, words do not make a plan. You're totally avoiding the reality of the situation while the governor continues to remain in hiding.

Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
What governor of what state is in hiding now? I thought you said you lived in Canada and this article is about Canadian politicians.

Lynette Browne
Reply to Dave Sellers
Another monontonous deflection.
 
 
 
John Charlton
If you call the federal government to team Canada coach?

How is it that the players (Provinces) are more in tune than the coach?

Trump is laughing at Trudeau, and Team Canada.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to John Charlton
Trudeau had already met with the premiers twice in the past few weeks and had a proposed a plan that he ran by them, which they were basically in agreement with, according to the ds power play interview. He was going to present it yesterday, but...well...we know what happened instead.
 
Don Corey
Reply to John Charlton
There'll never be a true Team Canada until we get a new coach, and the sooner the better.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Read the article and listen to what he premiers said yesterday. They want a real action plan with details; not more empty words.

Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
Nowhere in the article does it say the premiers think Trudeau is empty on words when it comes to this important issue.

Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
To repeat, listen to what the premiers had to say yesterday.

Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
I did and I am repeating to you the same as my previous reply.

Bobby Richards
Reply to John Charlton
We are in a very sad time but hopefully it improves soon.

David Amos
Reply to
Bobby Richards
What have you done to make things better?
 
Bobby Richards
Reply to David Amos
I was a long time volunteer for the PC party. Knocked on thousands of doors, put up and dropped off hundreds of signs, was a driver, set up chairs, made phone calls. I attended riding association meetings. But all that ended around 2022 for me when Higgs caused his own supporters to hate each other. Rather than picking a side I chose to walk away.
 
Bobby Richards
Reply to David Amos
I never got as involved federally. Now I'm disillusioned with the whole process and I don't believe it's ever going back to people working together despite their differences. Now it's about the team winning at all costs.
 
Bobby Richards
Reply to David Amos
I know you ran Independent and that is commendable but that is not one of my talents to run. I'm better used in a support role. I have no problem with anyone voting for any party but it seems like more and more people do.

David Amos
Reply to
Bobby Richards
Why did you post those things on June 6th?




Don Corey
Interesting Globe and Mail headline "Freeland latest woman to exit cabinet, as others question Trudeau's feminist credentials".

I doubt that the last part comes as a surprise to anyone actually paying attention.

David Amos
Reply to
Don Corey
Feminists have lost a hero
 
Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
It was all an act, and a good one. Seems like the curtain is on the way down though.
 
David Amos
Reply to
Don Corey
He will win them back in a heartbeat



Don Corey
Dominic's tenure as our country's Finance Minister will be a short one, thankfully.
 
Archie Mac
Reply to Don Corey
It seems you're expressing a strong opinion about Dominic LeBlanc's role as Canada's Finance Minister.
 
Gregory Wulf
Reply to Archie Mac
Is that not allowed?

Don Corey
Reply to Archie Mac
Nice to know that you can actually read.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Don Corey
Dominic will do anything he is told.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Don Corey
$62 billion deficit for this fiscal, we will be decades digging out of the mess this gov't created.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Ronald Miller
True, he's he only one the governor could find yesterday to fit that bill.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Ronald Miller
Yeah, they exceeded that $40 billion deficit target by more than 50%; typical from the most incompetent federal government in our history.

This is another fiasco that received very little coverage yesterday because of the infamous circus events.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
We don't have governors in this country. Are you in the US still?
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Are you not keeping up with the news?

I'm as Canadian as it gets.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
I don't give oxygen to the Trump snarky bullying rhetoric.

So, you have no idea we do not have governors here then? Interesting.
 
Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Yeah, I know, you're just doing what you're paid to do.

I'm simply here telling it the way I see it.
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
Then why choose to mis inform?

Paid to do? Who is paying me? What insight do you have about my income that I don't?
 
David Amos
Reply to Lynette Browne
What is a Governor General?

David Amos
Reply to
Archie Mac
I am not permitted to express my a strong opinions of him and his cohorts

Lynette Browne
Reply to David Amos
Not the same as what Don is trying to mis inform in his OP.

David Amos
Reply to Lynette Browne
Its a joke

Lynette Browne
Reply to David Amos
I'm sorry, but you are both giving oxygen to a bully. And, that was not his answer to me when I first questioned him.

Don Corey
Reply to Lynette Browne
Exactly what misinformation have I provided? Is that the word you use for whenever you desire to avoid accepting/acknowledging actual facts?

David Amos
Reply to Lynette Browne
NO WAY I am giving oxygen to a bully
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to Don Corey
Please reread the thread, then circle back.
 
David Amos
Reply to Lynette Browne
No need I know when I have been insulted by a Trudeau supporter
 
Lynette Browne
Reply to David Amos
Was my previous reply directed at you?


 
Randy Dumont
I agree with the Premiers two major points, the Canadian federal government should pay it’s full promised 2% of GDP to NATO and increase boarder security.
 
Dan Lee
Reply to Randy Dumont
NATO.......you mean usa.........if they stop thinking they should be allowed everywhere and be in charge maybe it woulnt be 2%
 
Don Corey
Reply to
Dan Lee
We need the 2% and more just to provide some degree of protection for #1 (that's our country); from sea to sea to sea.

David Amos
Reply to Randy Dumont
I think we should leave NATO



 
Wanderlustus
Apparently DeeDee Smith didn't get the message, as it's ship ship ship those tarsands to the US as usual.
 
Archie Mac
Reply to Wanderlustus
The debate around transporting tar sands oil, especially from Canada to the U.S., often involves complex political, environmental, and economic considerations. Advocates for these projects typically highlight economic benefits, such as job creation and energy security, while opponents raise concerns about the environmental impact, such as the contribution to climate change and the risks of pipeline spills.

Could you provide more context or details about the situation you're referring to?
 
David Amos
Content Deactivated 
Reply to Archie Mac
Cut and paste much?


 
Ted DiBlase
Ford is doing a great job, the other premiers have more faith in him than the PM and his circus.

David Amos
Reply to
Ted DiBlase
Yea but many folks have no faith in any of the premiers thats why they don't vote

 
 
Bobby Richards
Many in the team are bailing and there is turmoil within the caucus but the leader stills thinks he is right and the others are wrong.

This sounds exactly like the Higgs govt and we all know how that turned out.
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Bobby Richards
And the Biden one.
 
MR Cain
Reply to Bobby Richards
They might as well just hand over the keys now. It would have been the smart move if the party kept their mouths shut, find and promote the replacement, and then elect a new leader in the spring. Not very bright if the leader had said a year ago "oh, yeah, I intend to quit".
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Bobby Richards
The difference is the current PM is screwing up everything and hurting the majority with no benefits as opposed to our premier who was still greatly benefitting the majority with issues only being with very small minorities, huge difference.
 
Archie Mac
Reply to Ronald Miller
Online spaces can sometimes foster an environment where people are more focused on winning arguments rather than engaging in constructive dialogue because that person lacks those dialogue skills.
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to Archie Mac
I will not argue with you, you speak from experience.
 
David Amos
Reply to
Ronald Miller
Clearly


 
Albert Calleros
Trump's characterisation of Canada as the fifty-first state has only crystallised the fair-minded Canadians' unity against him.

David Amos
Reply to
Albert Calleros
I suspect must of us laughed at the silly joke

 
 
Albert Calleros
There is absolutely no doubt that most fair-minded Canadians MUST remain extraordinarily vigilant in the collective defence of their country's governmental institutions, particularly amidst the ever-escalating onslaught of a menacingly far-right political nightmare that is now on the verge of becoming reality throughout the United States in slightly less than five weeks.
 
Allan Marven
Reply to Albert Calleros
You sound worried about JT lol.
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Albert Calleros
He is trolling you and you are taking the bait. Never going to happen.
 
David Amos
Reply to
Ted DiBlase
Of course
 
 
 
Matt Steele
Trump , like most world leaders , probably sees the Canadian P M as a complete joke ; so hopefully the Premiers are speaking for Canada . Probably wise if Holt would give Irving a call , and see if they have anyone who can negotiate with Trump on the behalf of N.B.ers as Holt is in way over her head .

Ronald Miller
Reply to Matt Steele
An Irving lawyer should be negotiating on behalf of NB
 
Ronald Miller
Content Deactivated
Reply to Ronald Miller
My shadow has made an appearance, how many accounts do you post under?
content deactivated
 
Archie Mac
Reply to Ronald Miller
When I respond, it’s always from this one "voice" designed to assist with any questions or tasks you have.

Could you clarify what you mean by "shadow" making an appearance? I'd love to help if you're referring to something else!
 
Ronald Miller
Reply to
Archie Mac
Help yourself, the rest should all fall in line on its own.

David Amos
Reply to
Archie Mac
Please explain "voice" designed to assist
 
David Amos
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ontent Deactivated
Reply to Ronald Miller
Are either you Ronald Miller?


 
Denis van humbeck
Would be terrible if Canada put tariffs on more U.S goods coming into Canada. Then us Canadian customers would have to pay more stuff in a already very high inflation nation

David Webb
Reply to Denis van humbeck
Considering we already need to cough up nearly 40% exchange because of the devaluation of our dollar, and likely to go even lower because of federal policies, it isn't going to be pretty. It will take at least two decades for Canada to recover, assuming the liberals stay out of power. Longer if they don't change their trying to all things to all people, by spending wildly.
 
David Amos
Reply to Denis van humbeck
Yup

 
 
Denis van humbeck
Legault is more concerned about religion.
 
David Amos
Reply to
Denis van humbeck
Legault is more concerned about Legault
 
Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
Yep.


 
Albalita Star
Suddenly Freeland is a hero to some?...shes been the worst Finance minister in history...not to mention the inappropriate tweets criticizing foreign governments that just happen to be major buyers of Western Canadian products....how short a memory's do you have?...

Allan Marven
Reply to Albalita Star
Not to me. More like Pence to Trump. She should have seen it coming.
 
Bobby Richards
Reply to Albalita Star
She's pretty bad. Remember how she bragged about not owning a vehicle then got caught for speeding the next month?

"I walk, I take the subway. My kids walk and ride their bikes and take the subway — it's actually healthier for our family."

Chrystia Freeland was fined $273 for going 132 km/h on an Alberta highway

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chyrstia-freeland-fined-speeding-1.6944532

 
David Amos
C
ontent Deactivated
David Amos
Reply to
Albalita Star
I had no respect for her before she got a seat on the gravy train

 
 
Bob Cobb
We are in for a tough fight and the country isn’t ready for it. We have the worst Prime Minister in post-WW2 Canadian history in terms of the rise in inequality; in terms of the decline of real incomes; in terms of economic growth; and in terms of job growth outside the bureaucracy. Strangely enough he has been the best Prime Minister for the oligarchs and cartels with record profits and toothless requirements for mergers. No wonder all they have left to peddle is fear.
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Bob Cobb
Don`t forget crime up 50%.

David Amos
Reply to
Bob Cobb
Peddling fear is lucrative


 
Brian McHomen
Liking the Team Canada approach the Premies have going. I don’t see any election federally happening until March so I hope it’s good enough

Allan Marven
Reply to Brian McHomen
It's already too late

David Amos
Reply to
Brian McHomen
Trump is just blowing hot air

 
 
Luc Newsome
Minor squabbles between elites won't affect your wait time for food banks

David Amos
Reply to
Luc Newsome
I disagree

 
 
Kevin Broussard
Canadians are almost completely united against JT, even Freeland now joined the vast majority.

David Amos
Reply to
Kevin Broussard
Sunny days are over and the fair weather friends are splitting

 
 
Fred Emmersen Turner
tRump should mind his own business
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Fred Emmersen Turner
So should J te

David Amos
Reply to
Fred Emmersen Turner
I concur

 
 
james bolt
I wish one of them could run a healthcare system
 
Luc Newsome
Reply to james bolt
They are all part of the the ineffective and underfunded “ canada national healthcare program “

David Amos
Reply to
james bolt
Me too

 
 
ralph jacobs
I don't think Trump knows what he's biting off with his threats.
 
james bolt
Reply to ralph jacobs
Almost certain he doesn't care
 
Allan Marven
Reply to ralph jacobs
LOLOL. Shaking in his boots.
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to ralph jacobs
Of course he does.

David Amos
Reply to
james bolt
I know he does not


 
Lou Bell
The " credit card bill " has arrived , and no one wants to take the blame for the huge blunders that took place and cost Canadian taxpayers billions ! .
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Lou Bell
It never stops growing
 
Tom
Reply to Lou Bell
Singh has taken credit for most of this debt. he thinks it's a- ok.
 
Ted DiBlase
Reply to Tom
Everyone on the left thinks debt is okay as long as they get their hand outs.
 
Ryder Pures
Reply to Ted DiBlase
Define "the left".
 
David Amos
Reply to
Ryder Pures
Opposite of "The Right"



Lou Bell
Cowtowing to Quebec is not what NBers expect from NB's highest ranking member of the Trudeau Liberals . He and his party have surely let NB down tremendously with their denial of the Transeast Pipeline and complete lack of assisting in any way in the development of all and any resources in resource rich NB , all the while assisting in the export of jobs and money to elsewhere , not only in Canada , but also in North America and the world .

David Amos
Reply to
Lou Bell
Cowtowing to Quebec is his forte

 
 
Denis van humbeck
Canada needs to run like Norway. We could learn a lot good lessons from Norway.
 
Ralph Steinberg
Reply to Denis van humbeck
I completely agree. They used Lougheeds plan as a template. Too bad the provincial leaders that came after him, basically defunded the Heritage Fund, so it does not function as it was meant to. Or Alberta would be sitting on a huge surplus. On his death bed, he did the math, and the fund should have been at about $200 billion. Instead it is around $18-20 billion today.
 
David Amos
Reply to
Denis van humbeck
True


Don Corey
It's very obvious that our Canadian premiers are certainly far more united than the governor and his cabinet.

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey

Ain't that special?

 
 
Jimmy Cochrane
Todays gong show turning into Trump and his tariffs

Where’s Justine?

Shawn Tabor
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
In Ottawa, dealing with the stuff that him and a bunch of others caused.

Don Corey
He is the #1 reason behind today's circus in Ottawa.

Shawn Tabor
Reply to Don Corey
So true. Time for him and a few others to go.

David Amos

Reply to Don Corey
I played my part too

Don Corey
Reply to
David Amos
I have no doubt about that.

Don Corey
Reply to Jimmy Cochrane
All I said was Justine was digging a foxy hole and it got zapped.  

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Tut Tut Tut



Allan Marven
Canada /U. S border flooded with U. S. Christmas shoppers headed here. U.S. Dollar worth $1.40, and no more gst. Nice to be an american christmas shopper in canada. Good job team LPC.

Shawn Tabor

Reply to Allan Marven
Absolutely crazy.

Ted DiBlase

Reply to Allan Marven
Good think they are carrying us.

David Amos
Reply to Allan Marven
I bet more of us shop down there

David Amos
Reply to Shawn Tabor
I explained to you how crazy things were when we crossed the border 20 years ago Correct?
 

 
 
 
 
 

Friday, 13 December 2024

Ottawa, provinces prepared to hit U.S. 'where it hurts' over tariffs, Holt says

 
 

Ottawa, provinces prepared to hit U.S. 'where it hurts' over tariffs, Holt says

N.B. premier optimistic Trump's promised 25% tariffs on goods from Canada can be avoided

New Brunswick Premier Susan Holt says she is optimistic the federal government will be able to avoid tariffs of 25 per cent that U.S. president-elect Donald Trump has threatened to impose on goods from Canada, after the premiers met Wednesday with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

But if the tariffs go through, Holt says the federal and provincial governments are ready to hit the U.S. "where it hurts, as needed."

"Everything's on the table," including retaliatory tariffs, she said in an interview Wednesday on CBC's Power & Politics.

"We're looking at different ways that we can demonstrate how critically integrated our economies are.

"We're looking at where the influencers are, where those unique points of export are that you could see specific states, specific businesses, economies, jobs and people that might find themselves at risk if their government goes ahead with their tariffs."

WATCH | Holt breaks down U.S. reliance on New Brunswick exports: 
 

Trudeau meets with premiers to discuss response to Trump's tariff threat

New Brunswick Premier Susan Holt says the federal government presented premiers with a ‘comprehensive plan’ to invest in border security in the face of Donald Trump’s tariff threat. Holt says part of that plan involves retaliatory measures Canada could take if the tariffs go through.

Trump has said that when he becomes president on Jan. 20, he will impose tariffs of 25 per cent "on all products" entering the U.S. from Canada and Mexico, unless both countries stop what he called an "invasion" of drugs, "in particular fentanyl, and all Illegal aliens" into the U.S.

Trudeau met with the premiers Wednesday to discuss Ottawa's plan to address Trump's concerns about the Canada-U.S. border.

'Comprehensive' border security plan

According to Holt, Trudeau, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland and Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc presented a "pretty comprehensive plan" about how they're going to invest $1 billion in border security — and demonstrate that investment to the U.S.

While Holt acknowledged some proposed initiatives, such as training more RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency officers to monitor the border, will take time, she said when governments "want to move fast, we can."

She pointed to the federal government's quick action during the COVID-19 pandemic "when they needed to," and to the affordability measures her own government has taken for New Brunswickers since she was elected 39 days ago.

"Thankfully, I've got neighbours like [Premier] Dennis King in P.E.I., who has an Atlantic Police Academy that's ready to turn things around and produce more people, as needed," she said.

Saint John also has a rapidly growing port that is ready to take on more CBSA staff, "as the containers just keep coming," often into the U.S., she said.

"So I think where there's a will, and where I think there's a unified set of premiers and a federal government that's demonstrated they're going to put a billion dollars of effort into this, we will be able to move some things quite quickly."

Possible N.B. strategies

The assembled federal and provincial politicians also talked about how the tariffs would not only be "devastating" to the Canadian economy, but would also hurt the American economy, Holt said. "And so we're going to continue to make that case" to governors and senators and others.

New Brunswick, for example, exports hundreds of thousands of barrels of refined fuel products to New England every day, Holt said, "and that's critical for their energy security."

There's also a "significant reliance" on New Brunswick forestry products because the U.S. is trying to build homes for Americans, she said. "They need our two-by-fours to do so. And it would have a significant impact to them if those weren't available or were more expensive. "

More than 92 per cent of New Brunswick exports went to the U.S. in 2023, according to the provincial government.

While Ontario Premier Doug Ford, chair of the Council of the Federation, has suggested Trump's tariffs are "100 per cent" coming, Holt said she "would love to have [his] crystal ball," but remains an optimist.

She believes there's still an opportunity to demonstrate to the Trump administration that Canada has a "strong and secure border and that we're a great ally, and U.S. and Canada trade relations should continue."

With files from Power & Politics

 
 
 
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David Amos
"According to Holt, Trudeau, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland and Public Safety Minister Dominic LeBlanc presented a "pretty comprehensive plan" about how they're going to invest $1 billion in border security — and demonstrate that investment to the U.S.

While Holt acknowledged some proposed initiatives, such as training more RCMP and Canada Border Services Agency officers to monitor the border, will take time, she said when governments "want to move fast, we can."

Yea Right



David Amos
Trump thinks New Brunswick is a town in New Jersey  
 
William Murdoch
Reply to David Amos
Been there.
 
Gerry Ford
Reply to David Amos
He wouldn't be wrong. .
 
William Murdoch
Reply to David Amos
The President Elect for some reasons I am thinking knows little of Premier Holt.
 
Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch 
And he never will.

William Murdoch
Reply to
Don Corey
Oh Yeah - you just wait and see how the Premier, wait and see how the Premier ....

Wait, I have to check to see what The Mother Corp Headline claimed 



David Webb

Is not Canada responsable to control who/what enters Canada? I don't understand the logic that Canada is supposedly responsible for who/what exits Canada. When I travel to the USA I don't report to Canadian Customs and when coming back I don't report to US Customs.

That is not to say that our borders are secure and that sufficient screening is being done on foreign nationals wishing to enter the country.

In both the US and CAN I think the issue is that people that are not entitled to be in the country are likely working somewhere. How is that possible when in Canada you require a SIN# or in the US a green card or SNN # to work.

Those employing people without proper documentation are the problem. Time to crack down on this condoned slavery.

BD Morgan

Reply to David Webb
The whole porous border thing from Trump is a myth. Twenty pounds of a total of 27,000 pounds of all fentanyl seized in the US originated in Canada and illegal northern border entries are 0.5% of the total entries.

David Amos
Reply to David Webb
The Yankees for over 20 years have been stopping people within a 100 miles of their borders

David Webb
Reply to BD Morgan
Some Canadians understand/know this, however DT is just playing on the American public who for the most part can not name the country to their North. We are dependant on the US however for our trade and GDP, so if the trumpster wants to play the game without considering facts Canada needs to hit where it hurts but QC and AB have said no to cutting off energy. I also don't think that Irving Oil will play ball, without seeking replacement of lost revenue from taxpayers, so the largest hammer we have so far is left in the tool belt. Ford in ON has it right to hit hard. Canadians need to prepare for the war.

Michael Samson
Reply to David Webb
"the American public who for the most part can not name the country to their North. " not true.

The 'trumpster' is using signals and leverage , which is what some Canadians don't understand

BD Morgan
Reply to Michael Samson
So far it is the PM and most premiers versus Trump, the leader of the opposition and Premier Smith. But still well within Canada's ability to negotiate another good agreement.

Michael Samson

Reply to BD Morgan
"So far it is the PM and most premiers versus Trump, the leader of the opposition and Premier Smith. " No it's not.

Well if we can negotiate a good agreement why all the worry?

BD Morgan

Reply to Michael Samson
Correct.

Michael Samson
Reply to BD Morgan
What's correct

BD Morgan

Reply to Michael Samson
Not to worry.

The rest has already been documented in the media. The two were siding with Trump over the state or our border. 
 
John Montgomery
Reply to BD Morgan
It's hard to negotiate with.a bully without descending to their level.

Allan Marven

Reply to David Webb
The americsn public LOLOL? I'd say our Gov'ts( if you can call them that), both provivncial and federal



William Murdoch

The PM's recent attempt at tariff measures regarding steel exports from China to Canada effectively put even more Canadians out of work. Manufacturers here relying on imported steel from China saw their cost of manufacturing go up. Up so much, that then the finished Chinese steel products to here out-competed cost wise Canadian products manufactured from imported from China steel before Trudeau's Tariff's mistakes began.

Is it any wonder that The Trump Team scoffs at our Dear Leader?



William Murdoch
The Mother Corp has blown this "no-as-in-nothing" news story way out of proportion

BD Morgan

Reply to William Murdoch
And here you are.

William Murdoch
Reply to BD Morgan
Of course I am here. I have been here since commenting was in a small box where "going back" was impossible. The dawn of commenting online. I was in The UK - The Guardian. I was in Australia. There they were ahead of The UK and here.



Matt Steele

Susan Holt's inexperience is really starting to show , and she needs to keep up with what other provinces are saying . Some of the Premier's are already saying via other media outlets that they are not willing to go the tariff route as it will hurt everyone . As far as the Atlantic Police Academy in PEI , maybe someone should inform Ms. Holt that the NBCC campus in Miramichi has had a Correctional / Law Enforcement program in place since the mid 1980s , so why is she relying on PEI for Law Enforcement personnel . I suspect that the Irvings , and their many employees are getting very nervous with Ms. Holts lack of experience and knowledge at this very crucial time .

William Murdoch
Reply to Matt Steele
Unbelievable at times why some vote out one for another one less experienced.
 
 

Andrew Clarkson
I heard that Doug Ford has gifted Trump a brand new Canadian made wire brush!

William Murdoch
Reply to Andrew Clarkson
Excuse me. Where oh where would such a brush find a use?

Gerry Ford

Reply to William Murdoch
I think Felton Brushes are the only ones left that are made in Canada now, though they only use wire that's made in the USA in them.

David Amos

Reply to Gerry Ford
Ain't that special?

Gerry Ford

Reply to David Amos
Ironic  



Gerry Ford
It seems perhaps that Trump is just a bully, he's also now the most powerful man in the world, and.....he well knows that as well. With that, it only feeds his ego more and therefore brings out those tendencies even more so. Both Canada and the Provinces need to understand this and come up with a calming strategy to address the issues he is demanding. Allow him to feel on top, go along with ideas, suggest ideas but make him think he thought up the solutions. But, and by all means, don't invite him into the ring.

David Amos
Reply to Gerry Ford
Well put

MR Cain

Reply to Gerry Ford
Yeah, I watched Power and Politics too.

Gerry Ford
Reply to MR Cain
Not me, perhaps you can fill us in on what you learnt from that.......

MR Cain
Reply to Gerry Ford
You got it right almost verbatim

Sam Smithmoose
Reply to Gerry Ford
Good idea. Let’s not flame the fire and he gets a temper tantrum.

Jack Bell
Reply to MR Cain
"Yeah, I watched Power and Politics too."

A lot of vibrant colors and shapes to keep your attention?


 
William Murdoch
I stress that the HEADLINE as written

perhaps is inflammatory more so than accurate

Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch
I'd call it exaggerated.

William Murdoch
Reply to Don Corey
And then some.



Samual Johnston
So it takes this to finally get some changes in immigration, border protection and military funding. That is Canada’s silver lining of Trump

William Murdoch
Reply to Samual Johnston
Why would you think that this is an example where immigration is what ?

Samual Johnston
Reply to William Murdoch
JT is changing immigration policies because of Trump. Improving border security looking at deporting illegals and so on

William Murdoch
Reply to Samual Johnston
You think so?

Samual Johnston
Reply to William Murdoch
And add increasing defence spending to that as well.

David Amos
Reply to Samual Johnston
I concur
 
 

Samual Johnston
JT went down to kiss the ring which was the right move. Took the jokes but then he gets home and now he and others poke the bear again and again. Live or hate him Trump is going to be in power. No need to be taking public shots at him. That is what gets him going.

William Murdoch
Reply to Samual Johnston
Apparently some do not comprehend how Marxism prevails. You just wait and see - Trudeau's ideology will will in the end.

Samual Johnston
Reply to William Murdoch
JT is only there because Singh does not want an election. Maybe due to pension maybe not. JT has failed us.

Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch
Trudeau's "ideology" has set our economy back 10 years and counting. Canadians have had enough of him.

William Murdoch
Reply to Don Corey
Interesting how you can speak for "Canadians".

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Yup

Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch
I'm not William, but the polls most certainly are.

Ted DiBlase
Reply to Don Corey
Done like dinner.

BD Morgan
Reply to Samual Johnston
If you want a PM subservient to Trump it won't happen before the next election.

Dave Sellers
Reply to William Murdoch
Where does he say he does?

Dave Sellers

Reply to BD Morgan
If you want a PM who cracks jokes behind Trumps back..you got him.

Samual Johnston
Reply to BD Morgan
Are you not witnessing JT jump through the hoops now?

Robert Brannen
Reply to Don Corey
If you are saying that he counteracted all the damage that Harper heaped on Canada during his nine years as prime minister, that is a good thing.

Don Corey
Reply to Robert Brannen
You must be kidding.


William Murdoch
Excellent representation according me: "Why would the premier here and the premier there (Ontario) not know enough to not engage a Bully".

Look federally youse two.

PO is all the rage.

So Sad.



Sam Brown
Hello New Brunswick

..."invasion" of drugs, "in particular fentanyl, and all Illegal aliens" into the U.S."....

The problem of drug invasion and illegal aliens is caused by the Americans themselves.

If they would stop buying drugs, and stop giving illegal aliens jobs the problems would go away....

But NO !...They demand the drugs and cheap labor...So someone supplies them.

I blame the U.S. drug users NOT the drug sellers..

I blame the U.S. business owners who give the illegal aliens the jobs NOT the aliens.

Good Day

William Murdoch

Reply to Sam Brown
"they" have what problem?

Samual Johnston
Reply to Sam Brown
Yes I blame people the have things for all the robberies and muggings. If they did not have things these ‘criminals’ wanted there would be no crime.

David Amos

Reply to Samual Johnston
Is that supposed to be funny?

 

valmond landry
time for CANADA to take their sling shot out and their tub before trump decide to make CANADA another state whow!

William Murdoch

Reply to valmond landry
Monarchy.

David Amos
Reply to William Murdoch
Do you mean our de facto Head of State?



Gerry Ford
Pipelines aren't going to get shut off to the US, sure they could "tariff" the product but they can't shut the valve off.

Treaty - E101884

David Amos

Reply to Gerry Ford
Bingo

William Conway

Reply to Gerry Ford
Treaties never get unilaterally cancelled?

Denis van humbeck

Reply to William Conway
They can be with tough leaders.
leaders.

Gerry Ford
Reply to William Conway
You should give it a read
 

 
Robert Holmes
Don't fence me in. Fences make good neighbours. But more dogs, sherriffs, and drones?! Let's have more hands across the undefended border, we all enjoyed for 100+ years. Catch the gun and dope runners!

David Amos
Reply to Robert Holmes
Yea Right



Dan Lee
only a f.o.o.l would bow down to D.T..........

valmond landry
Reply to Dan Lee
we have a few of them in OTTAWA.

Shelton Scheerr
Reply to Dan Lee
tthe opposition and D.. S..

Don Corey
Reply to valmond landry
Yeah, the governor and entire cabinet.

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey (I intended to repy to Dan Lee)
Imagine you and I agreeing on something?



Mike Sampson

The heckling of the far left's PM is well deserved.

William Murdoch
Reply to Mike Sampson
How so?

Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch
Because it's time he grew up.

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Yup



valmond landry
who's fault is it that the bully came out with this ?trudeau invited everybody to come to CANADA without making sure that we had enough infrastructure to handle all those migrant ,very little control at the borders , now he goes back and fourth to WASHINGTON crying hard time . it's a shame !

David Amos
Reply to valmond landry
Yup



Mike Sampson
Canada has opened its borders to people who hate the west.

William Murdoch
Reply to Mike Sampson
Really. How so?

David Amos
Reply to William Murdoch
Notice any protests lately?



Mike Sampson
President Trump and most of the United States holds our dear leader in complete contempt.

Don Corey
Reply to Mike Sampson
As the saying goes, "you reap what you sow".

David Amos
Reply to Mike Sampson
He earned it
 


Don Corey
There is obviously no "Team Canada" approach here. There's whatever the governor wants, and then (thankfully) we have the individual provinces involved.

Why is there no NB plan to do our part in assisting in the tightening up of border security here, as we seeing in Alberta and other western provinces as well as Ontario?

Allan Marven
Reply to Don Corey
Wait until the tax holiday fiasco starts saturday, and see how that goes. Another plan by the man, that others are responsible to make work. We go from there lol.

Shelton Scheerr
Reply to Don Corey
two different approaches here:

'We can't just roll over': D. F. doubles down to shut down energy exports to the U.S.

"Just watch how quick I can roll over": D. S.

Allan Marven
Reply to Shelton Scheerr
3 , Alberta going to make border patrol a provincial matter. Maybe she'll be governor.

Don Corey
Reply to Allan Marven
Yeah, just another knee jerk action when desperation sets in. Unfortunately there'll still be more to come before the day of reckoning sometime next year.

William Murdoch

Reply to Don Corey
I suspect your opinion here and moving forward, with that said

David Amos
Reply to William Murdoch
What is there to suspect about a publicly stated opinion?
 
 

Rosco holt
Canada shouldn't let a bully, bullying us around. Our politicians need to put partisanship aside even if Pierre doesn't seem to know what it means.

Don Corey
Reply to Rosco holt
The governor is not a team player unfortunately; never has been. As to partisanship, he wins the gold medal.

William Murdoch

Reply to Rosco holt
Who is your "us"?

David Amos

Reply to William Murdoch
A different team than yours

William Murdoch

Reply to David Amos
I have no team.

Don Corey
Reply to William Murdoch
Your comments would suggest otherwise.

William Murdoch

Reply to Don Corey
How so? What team?
 
 
 
 

If Trump does what he's promising, North America will change tomorrow

Canada's economy would suffer from tariffs. So would a 90-year project that's created the world we know

Tariffs now linger like an executioner's blade over our nation's economy. And U.S. President Donald Trump says he's dropping the axe Saturday. 

If the details of his plan actually match the rhetoric it would alter not just the economy, but the Canada-U.S. relationship as it's evolved over multiple generations.

The president insists he's moving ahead with a 25 per cent levy on Canada and Mexico, including a tariff on oil, albeit at a softer rate. 

He's made up his mind and isn't looking to negotiate, he says. 

"We're not looking for a concession," Trump told reporters in the Oval Office on Friday. "We'll see what happens."

Projected drop in GDP, ballooning deficit, debt

Again, we haven't seen the fine print, but if it's consistent with his words, this would unleash the nightmare scenario lurking over Canada's economy. 

The former parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page projects a contraction in the neighbourhood of the 2009 recession, somewhere between a 2 to 2.5 per cent drop in GDP, along with a ballooning national deficit and debt.

But there's an even bigger story being re-written. It involves Canada's place in the world after 90 years of increased tethering to the U.S. If Trump plows forward he'd be interrupting far more than a few decades of Canada-U.S. free trade; he'd be ending an era that stretches back even longer.

Canada and the United States have steadily built closer economic ties with each other since 1935, as they clawed out of an interminable depression.

Rt. Hon. W.L. Mackenzie King and President Franklin D. Roosevelt speak on July 1936. These two leaders, Prime Minister Mackenzie King, left, and President Franklin D. Roosevelt, spent a year negotiating the removal of tariffs on hundreds of products during the Great Depression. It set the pattern for generations of trade opening. (National Archives of Canada)

What past generations built 

On Nov. 18, 1935, The New York Times reported that, after a full year of negotiations, the countries would remove hundreds of tariffs and consumers would see cheaper radios, automobiles, clothes, fruits and vegetables.

The integration continued, notwithstanding the occasional disputes — with an auto pact in 1965, then a free-trade agreement in 1987, and more trade agreements in 1994 and 2018 with Mexico.

Canada has just cast its lot with the U.S. in the emerging global reordering, with multiple recent moves that poisoned its relationship with China, but appeared to secure a place inside the American tent.

A towering new trade barrier would mean there is no orbit. There is no tent. And the world Canadians know would be unrecognizably scrambled.

Old newspaper headline says 'US-Canada treaty terms given out by Roosevelt: He sees trade doubled' The beginning of an era: A headline from the front page of The New York Times on Nov. 18, 1935, as Canada and the U.S., in the depth of the Great Depression, started reducing tariffs. (New York Times)

The geopolitical order is a longer-term question. In the short term, there are paychecks to earn, mouths to feed and mortgages and rent to pay.

Of all the pockets of the economy at risk of pain, few face greater peril than Canada's No. 2 export to the U.S. — the auto sector.

Auto industry warns of a standstill on production lines

To repeat: We have not seen the fine print. 

But a 25 per cent tariff would mean a swift standstill, on par with the early days of the pandemic and the truckers' 2022 border blockades, said one industry representative.

"It would end up shutting down the industry across North America — within the week," said Flavio Volpe, head of Canada's auto-parts lobby.

WATCH | Flavio Volpe discusses the impact tariffs would have on auto industry:
 
Auto industry expert warns tariffs will 'tank' the car market
 
President Donald Trump warns he wants to build a 'tariff wall' for the United States and says a 25 per cent tariff on Canada is coming Saturday. Flavio Volpe, president of the Automotive Parts Manufacturers' Association and member of the Prime Minister's Council on Canada-U.S. Relations, warns 'nobody in the U.S.A. will be making cars.'

If you're looking for a silver lining, there's not much to go on.

Squint hard enough, and maybe you'll see subtle signs of an off-ramp in what Trump said Friday. It was barely perceptible, but when Trump was asked if he was still up for negotiating, he used the words, "Not right now," and "We'll see what happens." 

The stock market also sent Trump a subtle message Friday afternoon. The Dow Jones dipped three-quarters of a per cent, a modest but sudden drop.

If a guardrail exists here, something that could dissuade Trump, it's the actual economy. The fear that a self-inflicted wound could damage his public standing. Because Congress won't stop him, and the courts likely can't, according to trade-law experts

Then again, Trump insists he's ready for some pain. He told reporters Friday that he expects short-term disruptions as he reorients the economy.

And if he's bluffing?

Even if Trump does backpedal after a few days, a temporary tariff could hurt. Companies will have heard the message from Washington loud and clear: Invest outside America at your peril.

This is actually Trump's longstanding trade policy on steroids. He's been adding unpredictability into cross-border trade for years.

His allies are clear on this: If companies get worried, they can simply move production to the U.S. It's Trump's goal. The unpredictability is a feature, not a bug.

It's why the new North American trade pact has uncertainty embedded in it. Trump's team insisted on once-a-decade renegotiations, and welcomed fewer legal protections for investors.

So in recent weeks Canada announced a slew of policies to tackle drug gangs and cross-border migration. Several members of Trump's team celebrated it, welcoming the progress.

But there he was Friday. In the Oval Office, vowing to stick with something he loves, perhaps, when it comes to public policy, his greatest love: Tariffs.

"It's one of the most beautiful words in the dictionary," he told reporters, on the eve of an executive action that could reconfigure the economic map of North America.

This Sunday, Cross Country Checkup is asking: 

What questions do you have about US tariffs and how they'll hit your pocketbook? Fill out this form and you could appear on the show or have your comment read on air.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Alexander Panetta is a Washington-based correspondent for CBC News who has covered American politics and Canada-U.S. issues since 2013. He previously worked in Ottawa, Quebec City and internationally, reporting on politics, conflict, disaster and the Montreal Expos.

 
 
 

Stock market today: Dow, S&P 500, Nasdaq stumble as Trump recommits to sweeping tariffs on Saturday

Read more: The latest news and updates as Trump's tariff deadline approaches

On social media, Trump also warned BRICS countries that they will face 100% tariffs if they replace the dollar with their own joint currency or another. The dollar (DX-Y.NYB) rose, headed for its best week since November.

The uncertainty over tariffs has left Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell in wait-and-see mode, with the potential for tariffs to inflame inflation in focus.

That put the spotlight on a fresh reading of the Fed's preferred inflation gauge, the Personal Consumption Expenditures index. The "core" PCE reading, which strips out food and energy, rose 2.8% year over year in December, meeting economist estimates. Wall Street traders continue to wager that the Fed's first rate cut of the year won't arrive until at least June, according to the CME FedWatch tool.

LIVE COVERAGE IS OVER
 
 
 

CBC did an interview with ex-CSIS officer, then promptly deleted it from their archives

By Eeyore on January 31, 2025

This is not unusual for CBC. A decade or two of clips of David Suzuki warning of "Nuclear Winter" have been evaporated from all CBC records that we have tried to find.

Here is a detailed thread exposing how the foreign interference hearings where gamed by Trudeau, using the same family-friend judge he used to game other hearings.

Foreign Interference Inquiry - Justice Hogue practiced at the same law firm as Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien.

I wish Justice Hogue well on this assignment, but for transparency all Canadians should be aware that:
1. Justice Hogue was employed and then a Partner of Heenan… https://t.co/vsnTdthkvV pic.twitter.com/NrzRrQ1G42

— Andrew Haynes (@AndrewJWHaynes) September 7, 2023

Canada really is a third world toilet at this point.

Once again, a short segment of today's White House Presser where it is explained very clearly what Canada has to do, why the sanctions will be imposed tomorrow, and why Trudeau shouldn't run off his mouth before he speaks to Trump, or at least Trump's office coffee boy. Which is all I would spare for him at this point.

 
 
 
 

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