Interesting that the crooks within CBC always block the Most Important comments your lawyer pals Melanie Joly, Hubby Baby Lacroix, Craigy Baby Munroe, Big Bad Billy Pentney, Brit Dysart, Jody Wilson Rabould, Dominic Leblanc and Rotten Ralphy Goodale to name but a few certainly know why that is.
After all these documents are irrefutable N'esy Pas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" ???
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-righthttps://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/document/317811875/Melanie-Joly-vs-Hubby-Lacroix
After all these documents are irrefutable N'esy Pas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" ???
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-righthttps://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/document/317811875/Melanie-Joly-vs-Hubby-Lacroix
Paul Squires
@Zavie Johnston
"How did this comment get 24 up votes by 06:46 AM July 15?"
Possibly because this comment seems to sum up most peoples feelings on this matter.
"How did this comment get 24 up votes by 06:46 AM July 15?"
Possibly because this comment seems to sum up most peoples feelings on this matter.
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David Raymond Amos
@Paul Squires Need I say I would be impressed if CBC acts ethically and allows this comment to stand the test of time?
Trust that I have argued the US Constitution a few time in Yankee courts.
If you wish to read something interesting try my lawsuit against the Crown after you checkout a few things. Most of the lawyers in New Brunswick and all the politicians in Canada know that the Yankees attempted that "extra ordinary rendition" nonsense on me after I began winning judgement in two very important lawsuits before the War in Iraq began. Six months later after I caused a hearing in the US Senate Banking Committee after Spitzer testified the US Inspector General of the DHS promised to investigate the Secret Service's malicious actions against me and never did. Notice the webcast and transcript are now missing from US Congressional records?
https://www.banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/hearings?ID=90F8E691-9065-4F8C-A465-72722B47E7F2
Now check pages 1, 2 and 13 of this old file of mine to make certian I am no liar
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
These are my latest filings in the Federal Court of Appeal as of yesterday
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
This is the text of my lawsuit Please enjoy the awful truth about Trudeau "The Younger" and his cohorts
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
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David Raymond Amos
@Paul Squires FYI CBC blocked my response to you (First time today and of course the most important one of all)
So I published at the top of my blog about the article just like I always do N'esy Pas Hubby Lacriox and Minister Joly?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/07/khards-settlement-and-veterans.html
So I published at the top of my blog about the article just like I always do N'esy Pas Hubby Lacriox and Minister Joly?
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/07/khards-settlement-and-veterans.html
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Ethics Stress test # 2
If you wish to read something interesting try my lawsuit against the Crown after you checkout a few things. Most of the lawyers in New Brunswick and all the politicians in Canada know that the Yankees attempted that "extra ordinary rendition" nonsense on me after I began winning judgement in two very important lawsuits before the War in Iraq began. Six months later after I caused a hearing in the US Senate Banking Committee after Spitzer testified the US Inspector General of the DHS promised to investigate the Secret Service's malicious actions against me and never did. Notice the webcast and transcript are now missing from US Congressional records?
https://www.banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/hearings?ID=90F8E691-9065-4F8C-A465-72722B47E7F2
Now check pages 1, 2 and 13 of this old file of mine to make certian I am no liar
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
These are my latest filings in the Federal Court of Appeal as of yesterday
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
This is the text of my lawsuit Please enjoy the awful truth about Trudeau "The Younger" and his cohorts
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos WOW CBC takes hours to publish a comment but mere seconds to block one???
David Raymond Amos
@Ray Slin Proof of vote manipulation?
I posted my first comment about this article well over two hours ago in this thread (at the time the comment count had just clicked over 600 and now it is at 950) CBC has yet to allow it or block it In the mean time I have made a comment in several other threads and not a single one can be read by others so they can decide whether they like any of my comments or not. The proof of what I say is true can be found byway of my blog and Twitter account
I posted my first comment about this article well over two hours ago in this thread (at the time the comment count had just clicked over 600 and now it is at 950) CBC has yet to allow it or block it In the mean time I have made a comment in several other threads and not a single one can be read by others so they can decide whether they like any of my comments or not. The proof of what I say is true can be found byway of my blog and Twitter account
Al Smith
@William Perry The top
comments on this story, just like yesterday, are being manipulated by
liberals, for liberals, they were not near the top yesterday and do not
reflect the majority opinion on this subject, This is obviously an
organized attempt by someone or some group to sway public opinion, to
the benefit of liberals, the only question is, is someone paying for
this manipulation and why is the CBC allowing it? Some of them have
seen the number of up votes increase by hundreds during the middle of
the night, that just doesn't happen, they should be deleted.
William Perry
My comment generated over 400 likes and some are questioning the validity of the count.
Khadr's settlement and veteran's disability pensions are in fact two different issues, but they both concern the Canadian government. In the case of Omar Khadr three governments allowed him to be mentally and physically abused for close to thirteen years and it started for him at the age of fifteen in a hospital at Bagram. As of 1 April 2006 disabled veterans had their would-be disability pensions cancelled and received a one-time lump sum and the PROMISE of services. That ticked off everyone who had or has had a military background.
Veterans will always back veterans as well as those who will become veterans still serving.
Veterans, those that are at the moment serving and compassionate Canadians are the ones who have seen injustices by three consecutive governments and they all logged in and clicked on the 'like this comment.' The count is valid in my opinion.
Khadr's settlement and veteran's disability pensions are in fact two different issues, but they both concern the Canadian government. In the case of Omar Khadr three governments allowed him to be mentally and physically abused for close to thirteen years and it started for him at the age of fifteen in a hospital at Bagram. As of 1 April 2006 disabled veterans had their would-be disability pensions cancelled and received a one-time lump sum and the PROMISE of services. That ticked off everyone who had or has had a military background.
Veterans will always back veterans as well as those who will become veterans still serving.
Veterans, those that are at the moment serving and compassionate Canadians are the ones who have seen injustices by three consecutive governments and they all logged in and clicked on the 'like this comment.' The count is valid in my opinion.
David Raymond Amos
@William Perry My hat is off to you Sir
However what Al Smith is posting all over the comment section is true as well.
However what Al Smith is posting all over the comment section is true as well.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/veterans-khadr-settlement-1.4206063
Opinion
This is why many Canadian veterans are troubled over the Khadr settlement
4239 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
Martin Vance
If the veterans are upset its
because they forget what they fight for. At least what they should be
fighting for; a country where everyone deserves a fair trial and that
children are not subject to arbitrary imprisonment and possibly torture
at the hands of a foreign government.
David Raymond Amos
@Martin Vance You hit the nail on the head
Beverly Olsen
@Martin Vance
CBC is manipulating this board
CBC is manipulating this board
David Raymond Amos
@Beverly Olsen CBC made that fact blatantly obvious to me a long long time ago
it is near impossible for a comment to jump from a few dozen likes (or dislike in some cases) to over 100 and even 200 in just a few seconds!
Watching the number go up like a digital stopwatch means only one thing a bot/script is at work here!
FYI I am not saying that the one benefiting is the one doing it, No it seems to someone on both sides of these issues have found the hole and are both using it to advance their own agenda and the rest of use are caught in the middle!
David Raymond Amos
@Beverly Olsen Their back to blocking comments too
Richard Mackay
@Martin Vance
CBC fix the hole in your system! it is near impossible for a comment to jump from a few dozen likes (or dislike in some cases) to over 100 and even 200 in just a few seconds!
Watching the number go up like a digital stopwatch means only one thing a bot/script is at work here!
FYI I am not saying that the one benefiting is the one doing it, No it seems to someone on both sides of these issues have found the hole and are both using it to advance their own agenda and the rest of use are caught in the middle!
David Raymond Amos
@Richard Mackay I could not
as explained it any better myself. However I do suspect a CBC insider is
the one playing games not Mr Vance
William Perry
David Raymond Amos
Sara Marie (beilu)
I ran in four more elections after 2004. Yet CBC continued to ignore its non partisan mandate and denied that I was even on the ballot until the elections were over. Here is the Crown Corp's latest example. Read its comment section
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Jason Berman
The Canadian government failed to support the rights of one of its citizens. The consequence of this defoliation of its duty was tremendous and irreparable damage to the life of that citizen. As the government continued to disregard this citizen's righrlts, the Supreme Court of our nation more than once called the government out for this negligence but the government leaders of the day made the decision to ignore the courts and the right of the citizen.
When the Canadian government acts, it does so on behalf of all Canadians. Therefore, when it makes a mistake, all Canadians are accountable. When the Government enables the destruction of the life of one of its citizen, the government, and therefore All Canadians, must make amends.
It makes no difference how you feel about the citizen who was the victim of wrong government behaviour. It even makes no difference if he or she is a convicted criminal. We can argue at length anout the merits of individual cases but, the beauty of this country is that, regardless of the merits, Canadians never lose their basic human rights. We are blessed to live in a country that aims to provide equal rights to all of its citizens.
We are very fortunate to have these protections. However, we will risk eroding these rights if we don't staunchly defend them at all times.
No one is happy that the government was forced to pay a penalty in this case but we should be more angry that our own government failed in its obligations to that citizen
William Perry
Omar Khadr was never a
volunteer. At the tender age of fifteen he was placed in the prison
called Guantanamo where without a trial he spent many years being
physically and mentally abused.He was transferred to Canada and the
abuse continued. Three governments were responsible for keeping him
there. Harper wasted $5 million on court cases trying to keep him there.
Thirteen years of constant abuse because our government denied his
rights as a citizen. He was awarded $10.5 million for the abuse he
endured and is still a pariah in the minds of a lot of Canadians.
Veterans like myself deserve to be compensated with disability pensions,
but that was taken away from us on 1 April 2006.
Omar Khadr's award was justified and when disability pensions are restored , veterans will
benefit. Both injured veterans and Omar Khadr have to be compensated for what happened to them by this government.
Omar Khadr's award was justified and when disability pensions are restored , veterans will
benefit. Both injured veterans and Omar Khadr have to be compensated for what happened to them by this government.
David Raymond Amos
@William Perry My hat is off to you Sir
Sara Marie (beilu)
This article is shamefully
divisive. This is not a "one or the other" situation. We don't have to
chose which cause is more just. Our rights as citizens should not be
violated by our own government. AND veterans should be able to get their
pensions without a fight. Period.
These are separate, important issues. Why pit people against each other?
These are separate, important issues. Why pit people against each other?
Peter Boone
@Sara Marie (beilu) Funny
how history has a way of repeating itself. The country hasn't been so
divided on so many issues for almost 40 years.
David Raymond Amos
@Peter Boone Methinks there
were lots of issues that caused me to come home and run in the election
of the 38th Parliament. That was 13 very long hard years ago for lots of
Canadians not just my family and I.
I ran in four more elections after 2004. Yet CBC continued to ignore its non partisan mandate and denied that I was even on the ballot until the elections were over. Here is the Crown Corp's latest example. Read its comment section
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Jason Berman
The Canadian government failed to support the rights of one of its citizens. The consequence of this defoliation of its duty was tremendous and irreparable damage to the life of that citizen. As the government continued to disregard this citizen's righrlts, the Supreme Court of our nation more than once called the government out for this negligence but the government leaders of the day made the decision to ignore the courts and the right of the citizen.
When the Canadian government acts, it does so on behalf of all Canadians. Therefore, when it makes a mistake, all Canadians are accountable. When the Government enables the destruction of the life of one of its citizen, the government, and therefore All Canadians, must make amends.
It makes no difference how you feel about the citizen who was the victim of wrong government behaviour. It even makes no difference if he or she is a convicted criminal. We can argue at length anout the merits of individual cases but, the beauty of this country is that, regardless of the merits, Canadians never lose their basic human rights. We are blessed to live in a country that aims to provide equal rights to all of its citizens.
We are very fortunate to have these protections. However, we will risk eroding these rights if we don't staunchly defend them at all times.
No one is happy that the government was forced to pay a penalty in this case but we should be more angry that our own government failed in its obligations to that citizen
George Young
@Jason Berman The reason we
HAVE Constitutions is to prevent politicians from running wild. And they
did run wild in this case, and a feeble payment is all we get in
defense of the Constitution?
Harper, Martin, and Chrétien should be footing part of this bill.
Why can't we at least have an impartial decision that three sitting Prime Ministers abused a child and, worse, the Constitution? A little public exposure would be good.
That would be real justice for Mr Khadr, a lot better warning to future PMs who would meddle with our civil rights.
Harper, Martin, and Chrétien should be footing part of this bill.
Why can't we at least have an impartial decision that three sitting Prime Ministers abused a child and, worse, the Constitution? A little public exposure would be good.
That would be real justice for Mr Khadr, a lot better warning to future PMs who would meddle with our civil rights.
David Raymond Amos
@George Young "Harper, Martin, and Chrétien should be footing part of this bill."
Here Here I second that remark Methinks we should sue them. Oh yea I already am.
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
Here Here I second that remark Methinks we should sue them. Oh yea I already am.
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
Shaun Lo
Mr. Bruyea is mixing apples and oranges here in his first opinion. All legal injury awards are not taxable.
The comparisons are apples and oranges. Opinion pieces lately have been very ill informed.
What this author fails to note is that he is comparing charter rights cases against employment rights. Yes our soldiers should get better treatment but that does not preclude fair treatment of others in totally different situations.
The clear cut decision by the Supreme Court of Canada that Khadr's rights were violated is completely different than the moral desire to treat our veterans better.
People complaining about this decision needs to find a better moral issue to complain about. It is not a left or right issue and the story pushed for 10-years by the Harper Conservatives have been biased and most of the public have forgotten what war does to the young and how much they are coerced by the adults.
Does nobody remember that in the dying days of world war 2 the allies found themselves fighting German boys and old men? Do you think these people suddenly decided to run into the battlefield to fight because they wanted to kill someone?
Please stop this nonsense I am tired of hearing about Khadr.
David Raymond Amos
@Shaun Lo Mr. Bruyea is a
player. His opinions mean less than nothing to me. I don't trust him and
his friends "Canadians for Accountability" as far as I can throw them
and everybody in the know knows it.
Google two names to see why I am not shy speaking my mind about this topic in particular
Sean Bruyea David Amos
Google two names to see why I am not shy speaking my mind about this topic in particular
Sean Bruyea David Amos
Don Luft
There's a tremendous amount
of prejudice associated with the Khadr case. That Taliban are the bad
guys. The Americans were the good guys. Khadr is a Muslim on the wrong
side. Those seem to be the salient facts that drive public opinion. The
circumstances of the situation and the principles of justice in the
matter are either ignored or unknown to most of the public. He's
probably never committed a terrorist act in his young life yet he still
gets tarred as one. (And no, helping Afghanis assemble bombs to be used
against a foreign invader isn't an act of terrorism as some have
claimed. If it was then the resistance movements of WWII would be
classed as terrorists.) I'm all for veteran's rights. I receive some veteran's compensation myself, but that issue has little to do with the Khadr award
David Raymond Amos
@Don Luft Yesterday you
called me naive but when I responded to your insult CBC blocked me until
I raised Hell about it Then you clammed up when I was allowed to answer
you. The obvious question is why?
Better yet will CBC block me again?
Better yet will CBC block me again?
Charles Beale
Good comments from others
here who seem to know some of the facts. The point is the Supreme Court
made a decision. If Harper were here he'd have challenged it; Trudeau
didn't. That's responsible leadership.
David Raymond Amos
@Charles Beale I must agree with the Harper part of your comment and disagree with the Trudeau part
Carlton King
I have one question for Canadian veterans...
Who took away your lifelong pensions?
Answer: Stephen Harper, Conservative Party
Who took away your lifelong pensions?
Answer: Stephen Harper, Conservative Party
David Raymond Amos
@Carlton King Nope it was a liberal plan that Harper supported
Chris MacKenzie
CBC instead of writing these
piece meal stories of Khadr's 10 million settlement with the government.
Tell a story that shows Canadians the parts of the Charter that was
violated putting Khadr's rights at risk, how defending him and paying
him off has protected and benefitted all Canadians and their rights.
Write a story on how dual citizenship is allowed and how it benefits
people who hold both.
Eileen Kinley
@Chris MacKenzie
Omar Khadr does not have dual citizenship. He was born in Toronto.
Here is the 2010 court decision that specifies the parts of the Charter that was violated.
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/7842/index.do
If you don't understand how protecting one Canadian's rights protects all of us, then ....
Omar Khadr does not have dual citizenship. He was born in Toronto.
Here is the 2010 court decision that specifies the parts of the Charter that was violated.
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/7842/index.do
If you don't understand how protecting one Canadian's rights protects all of us, then ....
David Raymond Amos
@Eileen Kinley Well done but you do know that most folks don't bother to read much anymore?
John-Paul Murphy
The two are completely unrelated.
Yeah, it sucks that veterans are often left behind, but thats not the point of the Khadr case. Khadr is a citzen like anyone else. Khadr has the right to sue like anyone else. By comparing apples to oranges, this author is being more than a little disingenuous.
The article could easily be titled "right whales going extinct, veterans left behind" and still have just as much to do with each other as this.
Yeah, it sucks that veterans are often left behind, but thats not the point of the Khadr case. Khadr is a citzen like anyone else. Khadr has the right to sue like anyone else. By comparing apples to oranges, this author is being more than a little disingenuous.
The article could easily be titled "right whales going extinct, veterans left behind" and still have just as much to do with each other as this.
Glen Killoran
@John-Paul Murphy - I can see the next headline now: Little Johnny Can't Buy New Skates - Blame Omar Khadr.
David Raymond Amos
@Glen Killoran Methinks the next headline may be
"Harper Buys Little Johnny New Skates Because He Wants Folks to Remember That He Loves Hockey and Hates Khadr"
"Harper Buys Little Johnny New Skates Because He Wants Folks to Remember That He Loves Hockey and Hates Khadr"
John-Paul Murphy
If my charter rights were
violated, I could sue, and it wouldnt be to the detriment of any service
folks' detriment. This is nothing more than a straw man designed to
stoke more hatred for Khadr.
David Raymond Amos
@John-Paul Murphy For the
record I stuck my hand out to Khadr's lawyers in 2007 and they snubbed
me. They continued to do even after I ran for a seat in Parliament again
and sued the Crown in 2015.
Now nearly 2 years later I am still battling Trudeau "The Younger" and his many minions while he acts ethical and I am cursing at Khadr's lawyers. Methinks Khadr and I should sue his lawyers. No kidding.
Here is my latest filings as of just yesterday
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
Now nearly 2 years later I am still battling Trudeau "The Younger" and his many minions while he acts ethical and I am cursing at Khadr's lawyers. Methinks Khadr and I should sue his lawyers. No kidding.
Here is my latest filings as of just yesterday
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
John Reekie
It isn't about Kadr, it is
about our Canadians rights. Yours, mine, all of ours. Defend them or
lose them. If the gov can ignore one Canadians rights with impunity then
all of our rights or an illusion. The whole thing sucks for sure but
blame Chretien and Harper not Jr.
David Raymond Amos
@John Reekie I blame them all
David Winter
""someone who allegedly fought against our ally""
Allegedly. That's the key isn't it. That word is always dropped in there because it's a 'made up story' the result of a buck-she trial conducted by a country who shot a kid to young to drive, in the back, more than once, and then tortured him for ten years. All the while, the government of Mr Harper watched and did nothing. Canada was/is an accomplice in this evil act. We broke the law, Canadian law and international law, and there would be bloody few members of the Canadian military who don't understand that it's those laws we all joined up to uphold. In my own case, for 33 years.
Truth is, it's the money. Only the money. Canadians, almost unique in the world, have an unhealthy fixation on money. Their money. Other people's money. Worse, their sorry obsession on money is without even a semblance of basic Christian values. Ten million is way to much to pay for 10 years of torture but 12 million is not to much to give another young man so he can live a life of luxury and play a silly kids game.
Allegedly. That's the key isn't it. That word is always dropped in there because it's a 'made up story' the result of a buck-she trial conducted by a country who shot a kid to young to drive, in the back, more than once, and then tortured him for ten years. All the while, the government of Mr Harper watched and did nothing. Canada was/is an accomplice in this evil act. We broke the law, Canadian law and international law, and there would be bloody few members of the Canadian military who don't understand that it's those laws we all joined up to uphold. In my own case, for 33 years.
Truth is, it's the money. Only the money. Canadians, almost unique in the world, have an unhealthy fixation on money. Their money. Other people's money. Worse, their sorry obsession on money is without even a semblance of basic Christian values. Ten million is way to much to pay for 10 years of torture but 12 million is not to much to give another young man so he can live a life of luxury and play a silly kids game.
Ida Pomme
@David Winter
The agents responsible (sent by the Liberal government) should be disciplined and not Canadian tax payers. Also the video is conclusive evidence, that he was acting against Canada.
The agents responsible (sent by the Liberal government) should be disciplined and not Canadian tax payers. Also the video is conclusive evidence, that he was acting against Canada.
David Raymond Amos
@Ida Pomme Good point
James Watson
Khadr was locked up in a
facility where he was abused and his rights violated. It has never been
proven that Khadr himself threw the grenade that killed sergeant
Christopher Speer. One witness initially reported that the teenager was
lying on the ground, already injured and bleeding, when the grenade was
lobbed at the American. In October 2010 Khadr – who had up to then
denied the claims, pleaded guilty to five war crimes, including
throwing the grenade, before a military commission convened under US
laws created to try terrorist suspects. Those laws have been widely
criticised by human rights organisations. Khadr's lawyers said later he
told them the confessions had been obtained after torture. Some aspects
of Khadr's treatment at Bagram and Guantánamo are indisputable: in an
affidavit submitted in February 2008, Khadr described in detail how he
was mistreated by his captors at Bagram. The documentary film Four Days
Inside Guantánamo gives a flavour of how he was handled following his
transfer to the detention centre in Cuba.
Even if Khadr were guilty of the five war crimes he confessed to, he was under 18 at the time he allegedly committed them and therefore entitled to "special protection" under the terms of the optional protocol to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which governs the involvement of children in armed conflict. The protocol, to which the US is a signatory, recognizes "the special needs of those children who are particularly vulnerable to recruitment or use in hostilities" and requires countries that sign it to "promote the physical and pyschologicall rehabilitation and social reintegration of children who are victims of armed conflict".
Even if Khadr were guilty of the five war crimes he confessed to, he was under 18 at the time he allegedly committed them and therefore entitled to "special protection" under the terms of the optional protocol to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which governs the involvement of children in armed conflict. The protocol, to which the US is a signatory, recognizes "the special needs of those children who are particularly vulnerable to recruitment or use in hostilities" and requires countries that sign it to "promote the physical and pyschologicall rehabilitation and social reintegration of children who are victims of armed conflict".
David Raymond Amos
@James Watson Good luck
arguing with closed neo con minds, Harper raised a lot of money hating
Khadr and Andy aka Harper 2.0 will do the same
greg howard
While I deplore the way some Vets are treated, trying to equate the two wrongs is not helpful to either party involved.
The fact often lost in the complaints about ANY settlement is that Omar's case is about the government's refusal to ensure that his rights, under the charter, were upheld. The fact that he was present at the firefight is not part of the case.
We as a people have been told for years that he is a "terrorist", and that he threw the grenade that killed Speer, as well as blinding another US serviceman. We accepted these terms, with no proof, because we relied on reports from the US military at the time, and our governments repeated them as fact. However there are discrepancies of those reports now coming to light, as well as photos of the scene where Khadr is buried under rubble, not leaning against a bush as the report, amended two MONTHS after the fact, said.
But nobody likes to be shown wrong, so we hold onto those ideas, and just keep on the whole myth, and howl in moral indignation that such a person is entitled to the same justice we would expect. Would we condone a "white" Christian boy of 15 being held in a prison, that was a way around the Geneva Convention, for 10 years being tortured to 'confess" without access to a lawyer, and no trial? I wonder.
The fact often lost in the complaints about ANY settlement is that Omar's case is about the government's refusal to ensure that his rights, under the charter, were upheld. The fact that he was present at the firefight is not part of the case.
We as a people have been told for years that he is a "terrorist", and that he threw the grenade that killed Speer, as well as blinding another US serviceman. We accepted these terms, with no proof, because we relied on reports from the US military at the time, and our governments repeated them as fact. However there are discrepancies of those reports now coming to light, as well as photos of the scene where Khadr is buried under rubble, not leaning against a bush as the report, amended two MONTHS after the fact, said.
But nobody likes to be shown wrong, so we hold onto those ideas, and just keep on the whole myth, and howl in moral indignation that such a person is entitled to the same justice we would expect. Would we condone a "white" Christian boy of 15 being held in a prison, that was a way around the Geneva Convention, for 10 years being tortured to 'confess" without access to a lawyer, and no trial? I wonder.
Richard Bailey
@greg howard
So Khadr's Charter breach is worth 10 million? Other Charter breaches are worth much less? We are told the government only settled because it thought it would have to pay out more. Is this how our justice system works?
So Khadr's Charter breach is worth 10 million? Other Charter breaches are worth much less? We are told the government only settled because it thought it would have to pay out more. Is this how our justice system works?
David Raymond Amos
@Richard Bailey That why they settled so they would not have to waste more of our money get it?
David Sampson
Khard's settlement and
veterans compensation are two distinct issues and it serves neither
justice when some try to link the two. When we send our men and women
into battle we must, and I mean MUST, look after them and fully
compensate them for any/all injuries sustained both physical and mental.
We haven't and that's a black mark against us.
David Raymond Amos
@David Sampson "Khard's settlement and veterans compensation are two distinct issues"
I agree Sir.
However Even though I also agree with this remark of yours I must add my two bit worth."When we send our men and women into battle we must, and I mean MUST, look after them and fully compensate them for any/all injuries sustained both physical and mental"
The veterans did make a new deal with the questionable Mr Harper called the Veterans Charter on or about April Fools Day 2006 but we all know the liberals dreamed it up
http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/about-us/reports/departmental-audit-evaluation/2010-12-nvc-evaluation-phase-3/1-0
https://www.veterans.gc.ca/public/pages/forces/nvc/reference.pdf
David Raymond Amos
@David Sampson For the Public
Record I spoke to Sean Bruyer & his many pals many years ago. My
opinion of them ain't changed. Bruyer and the CBC know wheter my
comments are blocked or not I am not shy stating and publishing my
opinions as well.
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/07/khards-settlement-and-veterans.html
N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix and Minister Joly?
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2017/07/khards-settlement-and-veterans.html
N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix and Minister Joly?
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
Ray Slin
@Carol Duncan
Carol, can you supply proof of vote manipulation?
In order to do something like this, you would need to set up hundreds of accounts and log in and out of them hundreds of times to gain the amount of alleged "fake votes" that you insinuate.
Theres an easier and more reasonable answer as to why there were pro-khadr votes - people are simply accepting or agreeing with this side of the debate.
Its sad when people make up facts to suit the discussion rather than accept that there are a certain segment of the population that just doesnt agree with your or my way of thinking.
David Raymond Amos
@Ray Slin Proof of vote manipulation?
I posted my first comment about this article well over two hours ago in this thread (at the time the comment count had just clicked over 600 and now it is at 950) CBC has yet to allow it or block it In the mean time I have made a comment in several other threads and not a single one can be read by others so they can decide whether they like any of my comments or not. The proof of what I say is true can be found byway of my blog and Twitter account
I posted my first comment about this article well over two hours ago in this thread (at the time the comment count had just clicked over 600 and now it is at 950) CBC has yet to allow it or block it In the mean time I have made a comment in several other threads and not a single one can be read by others so they can decide whether they like any of my comments or not. The proof of what I say is true can be found byway of my blog and Twitter account
Lindsay Chambers
Political correctness has made us lose our way. Time to support democracy and western values.
2019 ABL
2019 ABL
Rick Guthrie
@Lindsay Chambers
The Charter has caused us to loose our way. It needs a re-work badly and soon.
The Charter has caused us to loose our way. It needs a re-work badly and soon.
David Raymond Amos
@Rick Guthrie Methinks
rethinking the Charter ain't a bad idea its been over 45 years since was
signed. I am not certain that it is truly in effect yet because of the
failings of Meech Lake and the Charlottetown Arrord etc.
Out of the gate I would say editing out the creation of New Brunswick as being Canada's only bilingual province would be a very good pace to start.
Read this nonsense reported today by CBC to see if you agree with me.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-passenger-account-traffic-stop-complaint-fredericton-police-1.4201395
If the protected lawyer's whining and crying does not fit within the French/Feminist agenda of Trudeau "The Younger'" and his fellow liberalsI will eat your hat with a little salt and no ketchup
Paul Squires
@David Raymond Amos
Interesting article, but I don't agree with your conclusions.
Keep in mind that unlike in the USA which demands literal interpretation of its constitution, our Charter is interpreted under the Living Tree Doctrine, that provides for decisions of its intent to evolve with changes in society. Thus it is not necessary to re-write it or amend it based on it's age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_tree_doctrine
(BTW, the writers of the US Constitution did not believe it would apply for all time, and thought it would need re-writing every 4 or 5 decades to reflect changes in society, but made no provision for that to be done).
Interesting article, but I don't agree with your conclusions.
Keep in mind that unlike in the USA which demands literal interpretation of its constitution, our Charter is interpreted under the Living Tree Doctrine, that provides for decisions of its intent to evolve with changes in society. Thus it is not necessary to re-write it or amend it based on it's age.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_tree_doctrine
(BTW, the writers of the US Constitution did not believe it would apply for all time, and thought it would need re-writing every 4 or 5 decades to reflect changes in society, but made no provision for that to be done).
Content disabled.
David Raymond Amos
@Paul Squires Need I say I would be impressed if CBC acts ethically and allows this comment to stand the test of time?
Trust that I have argued the US Constitution a few time in Yankee courts.
If you wish to read something interesting try my lawsuit against the Crown after you checkout a few things. Most of the lawyers in New Brunswick and all the politicians in Canada know that the Yankees attempted that "extra ordinary rendition" nonsense on me after I began winning judgement in two very important lawsuits before the War in Iraq began. Six months later after I caused a hearing in the US Senate Banking Committee after Spitzer testified the US Inspector General of the DHS promised to investigate the Secret Service's malicious actions against me and never did. Notice the webcast and transcript are now missing from US Congressional records?
https://www.banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/hearings?ID=90F8E691-9065-4F8C-A465-72722B47E7F2
Now check pages 1, 2 and 13 of this old file of mine to make certian I am no liar
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
These are my latest filings in the Federal Court of Appeal as of yesterday
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
This is the text of my lawsuit Please enjoy the awful truth about Trudeau "The Younger" and his cohorts
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
Anthony Adams
Canada. I hardly recognize it anymore.
David Raymond Amos
@Anthony Adams Me too
Jack Richards
Khadr was a victim of his
parents and the U.S.A with their torture. Canada had nothing to do with
this and Trudeau had no business apologizing for anything.
David Raymond Amos
@Jack Richards Our Feds
should not have assisted the Yankees in the violation of his rights and
they certainly should have at least attempted to act ethically on his
behalf. How much money would Harper want if he were treated in such a
fashion?
jimmysinclair
An incredibly dangerous Trudeauian gaffe.
May well be his most prolific gaffe to date.
May well be his most prolific gaffe to date.
David Raymond Amos
@jimmysinclair This is a
minor Gaffe Anybody bother to notice how much of our money that he has
been funneling through his buddies in the Clinton Foundation etc.?
Normy Crow
This opinion piece failed to
mention that it was Chretien that brought in the lump sum payments and
the when the vets took Harper to court,he was defending Liberal law.
Trudeau made a big deal of changing his own gov`ts enactment solely to garner votes.
Trudeau got votes for a whole range of promises made and broke every one of them.
Hate to say I told you so,but..............
Trudeau made a big deal of changing his own gov`ts enactment solely to garner votes.
Trudeau got votes for a whole range of promises made and broke every one of them.
Hate to say I told you so,but..............
Garry Cyr
@Normy Crow
In 2005, all parties, including the Conservatives, voted unanimously for the New Veterans charter. The charter was implemented in early 2006 under the Harper minority govt.
Many of the problems occurred with Harper's implementation of the charter by short-changing veterans. Trudeau must address these problems.
http://www.ombudsman-veterans.gc.ca/eng/media/news-releases/post/18
https://www.ndp.ca/news/lets-honour-our-covenant-veterans
In 2005, all parties, including the Conservatives, voted unanimously for the New Veterans charter. The charter was implemented in early 2006 under the Harper minority govt.
Many of the problems occurred with Harper's implementation of the charter by short-changing veterans. Trudeau must address these problems.
http://www.ombudsman-veterans.gc.ca/eng/media/news-releases/post/18
https://www.ndp.ca/news/lets-honour-our-covenant-veterans
David Raymond Amos
@Normy Crow I agree
Joe Smith
Quick lesson JT This is how you can go from a hero to a zero
michael flinn
@Joe Smith Hasn't kept an election promise yet - election reform, mail delivery etc etc - didn't need this to get to zero.
David Raymond Amos
@michael flinn True but they say Trudeau "The Younger" is still popular in the polls
Jackson Farley
Justin Trudeau did not even
reach out to the widow of the solider who died. What kind of "leader"
apologizes and compensates someone like Omar but does show the basic
sympathy to give condolences to the widow who lost their spouse? Is that
so much to ask? I don't understand how Liberals can think and act that
way.
debi mcdonald
@Richard Sharp Awwwwww poor wee richard is upset, again..........
Jackson Farley
@Richard Sharp
Unity mandate. We get it. You want only people to comment if it goes with the story and only if they praise the Liberals. If someone has a different opinion you want them to be quiet but then you say things like how you deserve to have an opinion. Then whenever your opinion is unpopular you call it unfair.
Unity mandate. We get it. You want only people to comment if it goes with the story and only if they praise the Liberals. If someone has a different opinion you want them to be quiet but then you say things like how you deserve to have an opinion. Then whenever your opinion is unpopular you call it unfair.
David Raymond Amos
@Jackson Farley Methinks the fans of the neo cons act in the same fashion
Alice Newman
Alice Newman
I do not understand that a
person who was was fighting in as an enemy to Canada has legal rights as
a Canadian. This whole thing is a sad statement on how we, as a county,
have ceased to exhibit common sense and any normal sense of reason.
Ted Jenkins
@Alice Newman Correct. You don't understand. This issue involves some legal complications.
David Raymond Amos
@Ted Jenkins Well put Sir
Joe D'Aoust
Another 10 million down the drain.
Stan Cox
@Joe D'Aoust
Not if it prevents future governments from ignoring our rights.
Not if it prevents future governments from ignoring our rights.
David Raymond Amos
@Stan Cox I concur
Opinion
This is why many Canadian veterans are troubled over the Khadr settlement
For veterans fighting for their compensation, it's hard to watch the government hand over millions
By Sean Bruyea, for CBC News Posted: Jul 15, 2017 5:00 AM ETWhen pressed about the issue on the Senate floor Thursday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he understood Canadians' "concerns" about the $10.5 million payout to Omar Khadr. "In fact," he added, "I share those concerns about the money; that's why we settled." But to the thousands of men and women who have served in Canada's military, their concerns go far beyond the simple dollar amount.
Many veterans and their families are not happy about the Khadr settlement — that much is obvious. But in the climate of vicious and partisan name-calling that seems to accompany all things Khadr, veterans' reactions are being unfairly dismissed as little more than conservative barking. (In fact, while the military and its veterans traditionally have been the natural constituents of the right, that largely changed during the last federal election.)
Fighting for benefits
At the core of the issue is benefits — specifically, the grueling adventure race veterans have to endure to plead for their parsimonious assistance. Certainly Khadr had to fight for years for justice. Veterans, likewise, often have to fight years — and often decades — to receive their benefits.
Khadr sued the Canadian government for mistreatment and violations of his rights. Veterans are barred from suing government for mistreatment when seeking benefits. What's more, veterans are limited to using the military's rotten veterans tribunal system, one that provides "free" lawyers employed by the very department from which veterans are trying to seek benefits.
To prove permanent disability, Canadian veterans must make humiliating annual declarations that they are still missing their legs, or that their minds and spirits continue to be devoured by the lingering trauma of war.
Should the most injured attempt some part-time employment for a more meaningful life, the government deducts every dollar earned. Indeed, the government already deducts pension, CPP disability, OAS and GIS from veterans' benefits. Khadr, on the other hand, gets to keep every cent of his settlement.
- Trudeau says fighting Khadr was a losing proposition and could have cost taxpayers up to $40M
- Omar Khadr's legal battles could last for years
What's more: the $10.5 million was made rather surreptitiously — the government hasn't actually even confirmed that amount, nor has it explained how the precise dollar figure was determined.
Because we don't know the details of the Khadr settlement, the reasons for the discrepancies are speculative. But for those who have devoted their lives to defending Canada and now fight to receive their deserved compensation, watching the Canadian government simply hand over $10.5 million to someone who allegedly fought against our ally is unsettling, to say the least.
Indeed, for all the government's rhetoric about sending signals about fairness and justice, out-of-court settlements have minimal effect upon future court decisions. And as for Trudeau's claim that "when governments fail to respect people's rights, we all end up paying," there is no indication that the bureaucrats who actually breached Khadr's rights according to the Supreme Court ended up paying anything. Instead, you and I are paying the price.
Among Trudeau's justifications for paying Khadr was the idea that it would have cost the government more to fight than to pay. But justice, fairness, openness and transparency about a government's actions should not be dependent on how much it costs to avoid paying a debt. Veterans are owed billions in lifetime pensions. Should we wait until Ottawa racks up a billion-dollar legal bill before settlement is possible?
When they see such comprehensive government action to try to right the wrongs done to Khadr, veterans and their fellow Canadians simply can't understand the gross discrepancy. Why are those willing to make the supreme sacrifice for our country so persistently left behind?
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