Wednesday 4 September 2019

14 N.B. New Democrats jumping ship to join Greens

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YO @JackHarrisNDP Do ya think your fellow lawyer/leader will take my advice?



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"If Singh plays his cards right and turns this news around by nominating some people in New Brunswick ASAP one or two could get elected"



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Methinks it would be a hoot if Singh joined Dizzy Lizzy's party too N'esy Pas?


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NDP defector says he warned party some N.B. voters are 'uncomfortable' with Jagmeet Singh 

Singh should have visited to reassure voters in majority-white communities, says Jonathan Richardson


NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh should have come to New Brunswick to meet with people who "may not have had any exposure to people from different cultures," says a former party exec.

The NDP has failed to nominate a single federal election candidate in New Brunswick, and on Tuesday, 14 of the party's former provincial candidates announced that they were leaving to join the federal Greens.

They were joined by Jonathan Richardson, the federal party's executive member for Atlantic Canada, who said the NDP leadership failed to respond to provincial concerns — including anecdotal evidence that racism toward Singh will be factor in the campaign.


Singh is a Sikh and wears a turban.

Here is part of Richardson's conversation with As It Happens host Carol Off.

Why did you decide to leave the NDP and join the Greens?

For me specifically, I work with vulnerable people. ... With all of these children, with all of these vulnerable sectors, the one thing that I kept seeing was that the government wasn't providing the funding that was required for them to actually get off on the good foot.

So because of that, I eventually had to make a decision. You know, am I in politics for the branding, for the orange? Or am I here for the people that I want to help? And I've always been here for the people that I wanted to help.

So for that reason, what I've done is say, you know, there are three Green MLAs in New Brunswick, and they all have the same kind of social justice kind of beliefs that I do. And it was my hope ... that we'd be able to at least bring in some legislation to help with some of the things that I was seeing.


Jonathan Richardson, a member of the federal NDP's election planning committee in New Brunswick, announces the defection of himself, and fourteen former NDP candidates, to the Greens. 0:47


Is the problem, though, as you pointed out in your press conference, that there is not much faith in the federal NDP leadership right now?

I have zero issues in terms of the leadership of the party because I know they're doing exactly what their job tells them to do — and that's to go around the country and to figure out which seats they can pick up, which seats they need to maintain, and where they're going to put their resources.

And, unfortunately, just for this election at least ... it's not going to be New Brunswick.
You also said in your press conference that you have raised with [the party] ... that race and the racism card is coming up in the discussions that you're having with those in the party and those around the province. What did you tell them about that?

Being a member of the federal executive, I believe that it is my job to listen to the membership at the ground floor and to give that view up to the executive.

And what did you tell them specifically?

I said that there was a misunderstanding of Mr. Singh's religion, where his religion was coming from. Because I was hearing a lot of people referring to him, for example, as being a Muslim.

And there's a lot of issues in terms of, especially in the northern part of the province, where there have been a lot of issues with the EI protests that are going there, the black hole specifically around the issue of temporary foreign workers coming in, and they felt that they were taking jobs away from them.

I'm only speculating here, but I would feel like that resentment would have generalized into a broader kind of view of people who are from different cultures.



NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh makes an announcement in Toronto on Monday, September 2, 2019. (Christopher Katsarov/Canadian Press)

And you are hearing a lot of racist remarks when you were visiting the northern part of the province?

What I was hearing is that they were uncomfortable.
In New Brunswick, some of the rural communities are not up to date in terms of the social media life that we would be in some of the bigger areas or the younger people. So having someone physically present to be able to talk with them and to be there would have actually, in my opinion, rectified the situation.

What did you hear, though, on the ground as far as people's regard to Jagmeet Singh and his identity?

Like I said, you know, some people thought that he was Muslim.
Some people didn't even know that he was born in Canada. So they thought that he ... immigrated from a different country.

Some of these misperceptions that they were having about Mr. Singh, you know, in my opinion needed to be rectified quickly.
Was it your feeling, and was it what you were communicating, that Mr. Singh was going to have a hard time in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't know the answer to that. I know that there was an issue, and I brought it up because I really did not want that to happen. Because, obviously, I was a very staunch New Democrat.

That's why I felt it was urgent to bring it up to that point that he should maybe come to the Acadian festivals, come to these celebrations and be exposed inside the community.

But what could the leadership do? When you tell them that there is a problem that Mr. Singh is a visible minority, that he wears a turban, that he's a Sikh and that's going to be become an issue in this election, what can they possibly do about that?

That's a very good question. I don't know what the answer is to that. And I think that if I had the answer, I may have dealt it with myself.



The failure of NDP leadership to meet with New Brunswick team is serious.
The fact that some NB NDP jumped ship because they wouldn't run under a progressive leader who comes from another religion is sickening.
Good riddance.
Go to Elizabeth May.https://windsorstar.com/pmn/news-pmn/canada-news-pmn/ndp-hopes-in-new-brunswick-dim-further-with-resignations-to-the-greens/wcm/253582e1-7700-4bfd-92ad-96d4320aeb15 




And did you at any point warn them that it's possible that because Mr. Singh is a Sikh that he is going to have a very hard time winning an election in New Brunswick?

No, I don't think I used those words. Specifically, I said that those concerns were brought up and that's going to have to be dealt with.

Is it your view — and not that you share it — but is it your view that Mr. Singh is going to have a very hard time in this election in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't know the answer to that. I can only say what I heard and what people were telling me on the ground.

I can tell you that the community is very Caucasian. So there are temporary foreign workers who come in, but a lot of the people in that region may not have had any exposure to people from different cultures.



There is no room for racism in the Green Party. Full stop. https://www.greenparty.ca/en/media-release/2019-09-04/there-no-room-racism-green-party-says-elizabeth-may 



Of the 14 people, NDPers, who have left to go to the Greens who joined you [Tuesday], do they share the view that Mr. Singh will have a very hard time fighting an election in New Brunswick because he's a Sikh?

I don't have an answer for that either because I never talked to them about this.
Whenever we talked about joining the Greens, it was more provincially so that we could bring a legislator to help the people in our communities with the EI problem and the black hole. And for me specifically, social justice. We never talked about race.

[NDP MP] Charlie Angus, who sent out a tweet yesterday, he said: "The failure of NDP leadership to meet with the New Brunswick team is serious." So he joins you, he shares your concern there. But then he says, "The fact that some New Brunswick NDP jumped ship because they wouldn't run under a progressive leader who comes from another religion is sickening. Good riddance. Go to Elizabeth May." What do you say to Charlie Angus?"

Keep listening to your political staff because that would be the exact advice that I would be giving if my party is in trouble — to have the personal attacks on people.

And that's what you regard this as being?

Oh, of course.

Do you think it would have helped had [Singh] come to the province?

If he would have taken the time to come in and meet in these different communities, after meeting him myself, I know that that would have made a difference.


Written by Sheena Goodyear. Interview produced by Kevin Robertson. Q&A has been edited for length and clarity.




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Elizabeth May says there's 'no room' for racism in Green Party after NDP defector's comments

Jagmeet Singh says Green leader has a lot to answer for after accepting candidates from NDP


Green Party Leader Elizabeth May issued a statement Wednesday saying "there is no room for any kind of racism" in her party after a recent convert made comments about NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh.
On Tuesday, more than a dozen former New Brunswick NDP candidates threw their support behind the provincial and federal Greens. One of the defectors — Jonathan Richardson, the former federal NDP executive member for Atlantic Canada — said racism was one of the reasons for the party's lack of success in finding candidates with an election call imminent.

He said he travelled around the province to meet NDP members and found there's "a bit of racism undertone," particularly in the northern part of the province.

"From when I was up in the [Acadian] peninsula, I would say that a lot of that region that most people would be a bit worried about somebody who wasn't, you know, wasn't Caucasian, and that's going to take some time to show people that, you know, Canadians come in all cultures and diversities," he said. "But for right now I think that that racism still exists."

Singh is a practising Sikh and wears a turban.

Singh said all national party leaders should be celebrating Canadian diversity and that May needs to explain why she has let the former New Democrats into her party.

"She's taking in candidates that have kind of openly expressed their concern around someone looking differently and that being a challenge," Singh said in Toronto on Wednesday evening. "If she is accepting people that are suggesting things that are not accepting of people's diversity, then the Green Party has a lot to answer for."

"I think our political leaders should embrace the diversity of our country and should be willing to say you can look like whatever you are as long as you share the values and beliefs that are going to make peoples' lives better."

NDP MP Charlie Angus tweeted that "the fact that some N.B. NDP jumped ship because they wouldn't run under a progressive leader who comes from another religion is sickening."

Karl Belanger, a former national director of the NDP, also weighed in, tweeting that it's "not a good look, New Greens."

May issued a statement Wednesday saying Richardson's comments "were taken out of context and have led to accusations of racism against the party."

"One of the core values of Greens around the world is respect for diversity and human rights," she said.

"There is absolutely no room for any form of discrimination in the Green Party. We have zero tolerance for sexism, Islamophobia, misogyny, homophobia or hate speech of any kind. Canada's strength lies in its diversity."


New Brunswick Green Party Leader David Coon said he doesn't share Jonathan Richardson's opinion; that in his experience, most New Brunswickers are 'very accepting.' (CBC)
New Brunswick Green Party Leader David Coon said he hasn't had a chance to speak to Richardson since he made the comments, but he contends they've been "overblown" and "exploited" by people trying to "blunt the impact" of 14 NDP candidates joining the Greens all at once.

"What I heard him say basically was he ran into some people who had ignorant attitudes and held prejudices against people of colour or people of different religions," he said.

"It's not a news flash racism and prejudice exists in Canada, and it's abhorrent and we need to work to stand up to it and stamp it out."

Coon said he travels the province regularly and, in his experience, "most" New Brunswickers are "very accepting."


Jonathan Richardson, the federal NDP's former executive member for Atlantic Canada, joined 14 former NDP candidates in jumping ship Tuesday from the increasingly beleaguered party. (CBC)
The NDP hasn't held a seat in the New Brunswick legislature since 2005. Its last MP in the province was Acadie-Bathurst's Yvon Godin, who retired in 2015.

Richardson told CBC News Tuesday there are other factors behind NDP's diminished standing in New Brunswick — including the fact that Singh hasn't set foot in the province since winning the leadership in 2017, the election planning committee's focus on "urban areas that are diverse," and a lack of staffing.

Coon said he doesn't believe racism has played a role in the NDP's troubles in the province. He contends the NDP has been struggling in New Brunswick since Elizabeth Weir stepped down as provincial party leader in the mid-2000s.
"So it's been a long process where they've found significant challenges in resonating with the people of our province. And so I think that it's not just one issue," he said.

New Brunswick Liberal Leader Kevin Vickers said he "couldn't disagree more" with Richardson's comments, which he said imply that New Brunswickers are "inherently racist."

"The New Brunswick I know welcomes and embraces people of all backgrounds," he said in a statement.
"These comments are wrong, embarrassing for the province and should be embarrassing for Green Party Leader David Coon."

Coon, whose Green Party is enjoying a boom in support, securing three seats in the 2018 provincial election, said Richardson will have to take responsibility for his words. "It's his point of view and he's the one who's going to have to defend that."

Late Wednesday, Richardson posted the text of his speech on Facebook, "for those out there who are wondering and asking questions."

Richardson said he will not be answering questions from the general public or media, but would be "happy to have a conversation" with any of his friends.

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Elizabeth May accuses NDP of using 'strong-arm tactics' to force defectors back into the fold

One ex-candidate told CBC News he had no idea he was on the list


The federal NDP and Greens traded accusations Thursday over the apparent defections of some former New Brunswick NDP provincial candidates, capping off two days of squabbling between the progressive parties over the extent of the NDP exodus and the motivations of those involved.

Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh accused the Greens of spreading misinformation about the number of defections from the provincial wing of his party, while Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said Singh's party used "strong-arm tactics" to push some would-be defectors to stay in the party fold or risk putting Singh in a bad light.

In a strongly worded statement sent to reporters Thursday, May said seven of the 14 former provincial NDP candidates will stay with the New Brunswick Green Party after making the swap on Tuesday, as most of the group have since "rejected these strong-arm tactics and will continue to support the Greens."


A spokesperson for the NDP said they used no such tactics, as some of the so-called defectors were never prepared to leave the NDP in the first place.

The spokesperson said a number of the supposed defectors gave interviews to CBC News denying they were leaving the party before ever speaking to NDP operatives.

"This is false," Melanie Richer said of the Green accusations. "Most people we spoke to told us they were shocked and angered that their name appeared on a list without their consent. It's troubling that instead of admitting their mistake and apologizing to these people, the Greens are continuing to push false information."

On Tuesday, provincial Green Party Leader David Coon appeared at a press conference with former New Democrats who claimed that 14 candidates for the provincial NDP in the last provincial election, along with federal executive member Jonathan Richardson, were jumping ship, unhappy with Singh's lack of focus on Atlantic Canada.

However, the New Brunswick NDP said Thursday that five of its 15 members alleged to have left the party for the Greens are doing no such thing.

May also rejected a suggestion made by former federal NDP executive member Jonathan Richardson that racism might be undermining support for Singh, who is Sikh.





Federal NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said Green Party Leader Elizabeth May "has a lot to answer for." (CBC)



"Indeed, it may be a horrible reality that some people will not vote NDP because they are racist. I condemn these attitudes. But it is quite wrong to attack anyone who is disillusioned with the NDP by saying that the only reason they are disillusioned is because they are racist," May said in the statement.

May also took aim at Singh for never setting foot in the province since being elected federal leader of the NDP — including during the last provincial election.

"Mr. Singh must understand that the first rule of leadership is to show up. I have visited New Brunswick three times since Mr. Singh became leader. In fact, I have visited every province and one territory in the last seven months.  I would like to ask Mr. Singh, since he had no seat for the first 18 months of his leadership — therefore freer than me — why he was absent."

May said Singh also skipped the Assembly of First Nations (AFN) annual general meeting, which was held in Fredericton last July.

"No wonder New Brunswick NDPers were disillusioned," May continued. "Being a federal party leader is hard work. And you have to show up. It is for Mr. Singh to determine his priorities. I will not attack him. But it certainly would discourage his membership to never see their leader."

When asked Thursday why he's not spending time in New Brunswick, Singh said he's on a tight schedule.

"There's a lot of places that I wish I could visit. It's a really big country," Singh said in an interview with CBC New Brunswick, adding he spent time as a child in Newfoundland and Labrador.

"I'm going to continue to do my best to visit every part of this beautiful country. I'm going to keep on trying."

Francis Duguay, who ran for the NDP in Tracadie-Sheila in the New Brunswick election a year ago, told Radio-Canada on Thursday that he was stunned when he learned from a journalist that his name was on a declaration of support for the Green Party.



Francis Duguay ran for the NDP in Tracadie-Sheila in the September 2018 provincial election. (Facebook/Francis Duguay)



"I'm shocked because it was done without my knowledge," Duguay said in French.

He said New Democrat Joyce Richardson, a former provincial candidate for the party herself, contacted him on Monday night — mere hours before the defections were announced — to float the idea of merging the two left-leaning parties in the province.

Contacted by CBC News, Joyce Richardson said she was clear in her conversations with NDP members that she was talking about joining the Greens, not merging the parties.

"It was very clear because we weren't merging," she said. "It wouldn't have told them something that wasn't it. My understanding is that they misunderstood me. So I'll leave it at that."

On Tuesday morning, Jonathan Richardson, the federal NDP's executive member for Atlantic Canada and Joyce Richardson's son, announced that he and 14 former NDP candidates would be supporting the Green Party provincially and federally.



Jonathan Richardson was the federal NDP's executive member for Atlantic Canada, until Tuesday. (CBC)



Richardson also claimed racism in some regions of New Brunswick was affecting perceptions of Singh, a Sikh, and undermining the party's chances in the region.

"That was always going to be an issue," Richardson said. "I remember bringing that up a lot of times during the election planning committee — how are you going to deal with, first of all, the racism.

There is an undertone of racism that exists in this country and that's just inevitable."

Duguay said he never agreed to cross over or to sign a declaration of support for the Greens.

"Then I learn my name is on the list, without having signed any paper," said Duguay, who is still president of the NDP association for the provincial riding of Tracadie-Sheila.

He said no one from the Green Party contacted him directly.
"When I started thinking about that, I thought, something's wrong there, because there were all last-minute tactics, and we weren't consulted," Duguay said.



Jean-Maurice Landry was the NDP's most successful candidate in the New Brunswick election last fall, but no New Democrats were elected to the legislature. (Jean-Maurice Landry/Facebook)



Jean-Maurice Landry, who ran for the NDP in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore, said he too was contacted by Joyce Richardson this week.

Landry was the party's most successful candidate last September, winning 30 per cent of the vote in his riding. He said he expected the announcement this week to be about a merger.
"What was explained to me … was that the press conference was to announce the merger of the NDPs and the Greens," he said.

He said he was shocked to be named among the NDP defectors, and to hear discontent with Jagmeet Singh cited as the reason for the exodus.

"I was totally not in agreement with that," he said.

Landry and three other NDP candidates — Hailey Duffy, Madison Duffy and Betty Weir — issued a press release Thursday afternoon confirming they still support the NDP.

"We are disappointed that our names were added to this letter without our consent," said the statement.

"We were proud to represent the New Brunswick NDP in the last election as candidates, and continue to be proud to support the NB NDP — both provincially and federally."

The racism claim


At a campaign event in Toronto on Thursday morning, Singh was asked about the defectors.

"The Green Party wasn't as accurate with their information as folks would have liked them to be," he told reporters.

"It turns out that some of their information was not true. I think, really, (federal Green Party Leader Elizabeth) May has a lot to answer for."




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Singh blames Greens for New Brunswick candidate confusion


NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh spoke to reporters in Montreal on Thursday 1:24

Singh also said Richardson's comments about race would be troubling to Canadians.

"And I think that he's counted out New Brunswick," Singh said. "It's not my experience when I speak with people from Atlantic Canada."

Landry said he was uncomfortable with Richardson's comments about race, though he admitted he has encountered '"a bit" of racism in New Brunswick against the leader.

"In such situations you don't leave your leader, you get behind your leader," he said. "In leaving, what you're doing is you're basically in agreement with those that are using racism as a way to play politics."


Corrections

  • A previous version of this story said six members of the New Brunswick NDP said Thursday they were not leaving the party. In fact, five of the 15 people originally described as defectors by the provincial Greens have confirmed they are still members of the NDP.
    Sep 05, 2019 5:57 PM AT

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Kevin Delaney
The Greens & Political Dishonesties, say it ain’t so. LOL. 


David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Delaney: Surprise Surprise Surprise


Doug Mackenzie
Reply to @Kevin Delaney:
David’s here. Anybody else want to play Monopoly?



Kevin Delaney   
Reply to @Doug Mackenzie:
Would love to but a bit busy watching some documentaries on UFOs in Australia. Cool.



Kevin Delaney  
Reply to @Kevin Delaney: May doesn;t seem to think before she speaks. Here is proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjRBoLZ6ZV8&app=desktop


Greg Zanounou 
Reply to @Kevin Delaney:
Actually it seems to me that neither of these parties could organize a freebie in a cat house, never mind a government.



Kevin Delaney 
Reply to @Greg Zanounou:
Well... as to things that might be free in houses populated by cats... I have no comment. :) However, I would agree that neither is capable of offering a coast to coast to coast vision of how a confederation could unite to offer a functioning economy at either the National or International level. Let alone a viable respected adult foreign policy that would inspire other like minded nations to join with us in solving some critical problems facing the World. 
 




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14 N.B. New Democrats jumping ship to join Greens

According to the CBC's Canada Poll Tracker, the NDP is polling around 10 per cent in Atlantic Canada

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