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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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How do you say 'Savoie?': La Francophonie Minister reflects on mixed heritage
Glen Savoie one of only two French-speaking Progressive Conservative MLAs
“I'm comfortable with whatever people are comfortable saying. … ‘sa-VOY’ or ‘SA-vwah,’ it’s fine. I've certainly been called a lot worse," said Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie, recently appointed as minister responsible for La Francophonie. (CBC)
Glen Savoie says it was "shocking" when he learned, as a child, that there was another way to pronounce his last name.
He had learned to pronounce it as "sa-VOY," the English way. But then he heard his father Louis, who had moved from the Neguac area to Saint John for work, speaking to his own parents back home.
"I remember very clearly," Savoie said. "My father was talking to his parents on the telephone and he was speaking French, and I had never heard him speak French before, so it was almost shocking to me."
In those days, Savoie says, "you had to sort of fit in" when you relocated from the francophone north of the province, so Louis Savoie had let the English pronunciation take hold "because it was easier for his children, he felt."
As one of only two French-speaking Progressive Conservative MLAs--the other is Education Minister Dominic Cardy--Savoie now finds himself provincial minister for La Francophonie.
He was shuffled into the job last week after MLA Robert Gauvin, who had been the only francophone member of the PC caucus and cabinet, quit the party to sit as an independent.
Savoie's duties don't include all language issues--the Official Languages Act comes under the premier's responsibilities--but he will represent New Brunswick at the international French-speaking organization and play a role at francophone events in the province.
And that's where his name comes in.
Last week Premier Blaine Higgs adopted the French pronunciation of Glen Savoie's name. Is that the right way to say it? The new minister for the Francophonie himself gives us the answer. 2:45
By any other name...
Since becoming an MLA in 2010, Savoie has always pronounced his name the English way when speaking in English, and the French way when speaking in French.
But last week, when Premier Blaine Higgs announced his cabinet shuffle, the premier adopted the French pronunciation, "sa-VWAH", even while speaking English.
That led to some questions about which version Savoie preferred. The CBC's policy is to use the pronunciation preferred by the person in question.
Savoie says that's the English way in English and the French way in French.
"I'm comfortable with whatever people are comfortable saying. … 'sa-VOY' or 'SA-vwah,' it's fine. I've certainly been called a lot worse. It's kind of like those cards when you walk into a government office: 'It's your choice, c'est ton choix.' The same would apply here."
Higgs referred to Savoie last week as a francophone, though the minister himself says he considers himself a typical New Brunswick mix, with Acadian and Indigenous roots on his father's side and English, Scottish and Irish ancestry on his mother's.
"If I were to try to choose one or the other, or say that I identify myself as one or the other, what I'm doing is denying one half of my heritage," he says.
"I don't think my situation is unique, but I certainly feel that because of my cultural mixture, I have a good appreciation of what it is to be a New Brunswicker."
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David Amos
Methinks this is the best joke told at the circus today even though it was quoted first thing in the morning N'esy Pas?
“I'm comfortable with whatever people are comfortable saying. … ‘sa-VOY’ or ‘SA-vwah,’ it’s fine. I've certainly been called a lot worse," said Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie, recently appointed as minister responsible for La Francophonie
Rhonda Phillips
Reply to @David Amos:
This reminds me of a few people I’ve known with last names of Richard
or Martin, as two good examples. They said they’d use it for whatever
fit the position.
It was funny at one time, but it’s apparently not anymore
It was funny at one time, but it’s apparently not anymore
David Amos
Reply to @Rhonda
Phillips: FYI I just got off the phone to Glen Savoie's office in Saint
John. Not only did his campaign manage from 2010 not know who I was she
could even pronounce my name let alone spell it. Furthermore she claimed
to have no knowledge of the many many emails I sent her boss since
2010.
Trust that I am not smart enough to make this up. If you wish call Savoie yourself in order verify what I just stated is true or false. Trust that I am very busy calling many other political pundits etc.
Trust that I am not smart enough to make this up. If you wish call Savoie yourself in order verify what I just stated is true or false. Trust that I am very busy calling many other political pundits etc.
Rhonda Phillips
Reply to @David Amos:
I don’t know if anyone is smart enough for anything in this province
according to all the local news articles lately. I understand some of
your views and frustrations as many people have, and with just cause.
There appears to be a lot of deaf ears and blind eyes in this forgotten
province.
Paul Eric Lagace
Reply to @David Amos: Bizarre, n'est-ce pas ? ― Strange, isn't it?
David Amos
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Reply to @Paul Eric Lagace: Cest Vrai Mais C'est Chiac N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Rhonda Phillips: Thank you for noticing
Kevin Cormier
Reply to @David Amos:
"Cry me a river" ...face the facts, not everyone knows your name.
MLA/MPs/Councilors get many emails from many people, with the "repeat"
complainers and conspiracist being auto sorted to junk mail.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: Methinks your problem today is that I know your name and who you are N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin
Cormier: Whereas you brought up your false allegation of my being some
sort of conspirator I must ask are you the one blocking my emails?
Furthermore what did you dudes with the wiretap tapes of the mob?
Oh and when may expect the lawyer Flemming to remove the "Stay" from my Medicare Card? Before or after I sue him?
Enjoy your butter tarts with Cardy and the boys in blue in the ECO backroom
Oh and when may expect the lawyer Flemming to remove the "Stay" from my Medicare Card? Before or after I sue him?
Enjoy your butter tarts with Cardy and the boys in blue in the ECO backroom
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Eric Lagace: Trust that I tried to explain
David Amos
OH My My blocked out of the gate for providing CBC with its own words
Mack Leigh
Reply to @David Amos: Surely this does not shock you, ole boy ?
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Nope I caught them with their pants down again Check my blog and Twitter feed later if you wish to laugh
David Amos
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Methinks the media dudes in the liberal notion of "The Place to Be" are constantly proving that political science is not rocket science in light of the fact that the other "Spin Reduxit". dude posted an article the day before with no comment section Clearly they were up to something much to Higgy's chagrin N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Here is a little Deja Vu about Savie and his buddy Cardy for the folks to enjoy PC Glen Savoie wins Saint John East byelection
Liberals won the Saint John East riding on Sept. 22, but Gary Keating quit 22 days later
Daniel McHardie · CBC News · Posted: Nov 17, 2014 8:00 PM AT
Progressive Conservative Glen Savoie has won the Saint John East byelection, easily beating the Liberals and the NDP.
Savoie lost by nine votes in September's general election, but on Monday night he won handily.
Savoie earned 2,225 votes compared to 1,398 for Liberal Shelley Rinehart.
NDP Leader Dominic Cardy is in third spot with 1,099 votes.
Green candidate Sharon Murphy had 262 votes and People's Alliance candidate Arthur Watson had 38 votes.
The results mean there will be 26 Liberals, 22 Progressive Conservatives and a single Green MLA in the legislature.
When Savoie arrived in his campaign headquarters on Monday night, his supporters erupted into cheers of, "Glen, Glen, Glen."
Savoie was emotional when he addressed the crowd, which included former premier David Alward.
Premier Brian Gallant said he accepted the byelection results and thanked voters and his candidate.
“I’m proud of the campaign put on by Shelley Rinehart and continue to be impressed with her commitment to the people of Saint John and New Brunswick,” he wrote in a news release.
The byelection was prompted when Liberal Gary Keating, who won the Sept. 22 election by nine votes, suddenly resigned citing the negative impact it would have on his family and health.
David Amos
Methinks Higgy must be clever enough to know that this is just joking around. The sad part is that it is done at our expense and it promotes more animosity for the benefit of we all know who wants to be the next premier N'esy Pas?
Pierre LaRoches:
There is no way to be French enough once the SANB declares you otherwise.
David Amos
Reply to @Pierre LaRoches: Well put
Yves Savoie
SA VOUS A Check I should know......No wonder English speaking people are tired of this bunch of complainers!!!
Yves Savoie
Reply to @Yves Savoie: I can also write all this french if you want.....comme vous voulez!
David Amos
Reply to @Yves Savoie: I wholeheartedly Agree Sir
Fred Brewer
And here I thought all journalists adhered to a code of being unbiased in their reporting. Silly me.
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
That was how it was.
That's not how it's been since the liberal generation emerged from their indoctrination at our woke universities.
And it's not going to get better any time soon.
That was how it was.
That's not how it's been since the liberal generation emerged from their indoctrination at our woke universities.
And it's not going to get better any time soon.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: I concur
Wayne Mac Arthur
Does anyone care ? ... Should they ??
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Nope
Elitasia Laurentientide
We've got bigger problems than this silly francophone/anglophone divide. We need to stop having the government interfere in language and we'll get along just fine. It's not the place for government to enforce language and it has only created two classes of citizens, bilingual and non bilingual. It's great if you're bilingual and we have many who are, but this is not a bilingual province. We are living in an insane country that is alien to our way of life in this province, we need to come together and respect the right of both communities to live, work, and participate in all aspects of our province whether Francophone, Anglophone, or Allophone. We had an article on here a few days ago about a man from Ontario who is considering moving here. Read his twitter and understand the danger that being part of this country is to our way of live. There are millions of people like that man who have every right to move here if they chose to because we are in a confederation with radical leftist, marijuana drug using, atheist, MAR XISTS. We must have some sort of New Brunswick citizenship that allows us to control who can and cannot live here. Seriously read that man's twitter and see how dangerous it is for us to have open borders with Ontario.
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Elitasia Laurentientide:
The government should have no mandate or jurisdiction in the language that we speak.
Such aspects of our lives should be determined by the people; not imposed by an authority.
The government should have no mandate or jurisdiction in the language that we speak.
Such aspects of our lives should be determined by the people; not imposed by an authority.
Elitasia Laurentientide
Reply to @Brian
Robertson: I couldn't agree more. Francophone service would be
available in places where the staff and patients were francophone.
Likewise for anglophones. Anyone who lives and works in Caraquet can
speak French and likewise for anyone in Woodstock can speak English.
You wouldn't be able to get by outside of government services if you
didn't. There is nowhere in this province where unilingual speakers
would be denied service in their own language in a hospital or
government office in their own community. These things work out
naturally without any government interference.
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Elitasia Laurentientide:
Sadly; that was Louis promised when he 'declared' our Province to be bilingual.
Unfortunately, it turned out to be the thin edge of the wedge. It has been used successively to lever more and more concessions from any government prepared to do anything to get a leg up on their quest to gain power.
Sadly; that was Louis promised when he 'declared' our Province to be bilingual.
Unfortunately, it turned out to be the thin edge of the wedge. It has been used successively to lever more and more concessions from any government prepared to do anything to get a leg up on their quest to gain power.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Methinks Hatfield and later McKenna are responsible for this nonsense Not little Louis N'esy Pas?
Bob Smith
This article is not news and I'm not sure why it was done. Wouldn't it be better to ask Savoie about his thoughts for his new portfolio? It may be lean on substance but better than this...
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Smith: Methinks some folks would correct if they referred to this as a kind of propaganda N'esy Pas?
Kevin Cormier
Is there a right way? Acadians from NB say names/words different than Acadians from NS. I was told one time by a women from Dieppe that those NS Acadians are not real Acadians. lol, obviously she didn't know where "Acadie" was.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Kevin Cormier: A very ignorant woman you met in Dieppe.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Kevin
Cormier: And the Francophones who moved to Dieppe/Moncton area by the
thousands say that Chiac is not french with some going as far as to not
allow their children to play with those who speak Chiac..
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Chiac is a result of planned assimilation.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: News flash : There is no " plan " but a lot of people from
other countries moving to Canada to become, wait for it
------Canadian..
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Everyone must self-identify as a *-Canadian. Fill the asterisk in with
whatever nationality your ancestors were. For some reason nowadays you
cant just be Canadian
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin
Cormier: So has your SANB/liberal buddy René Ephestion mentioned my name
or that of the Deschamps dude? Better yet have dudes even had your big
meeting yet?
Methinks you should bring Cardy and a load of butter tarts along with you in order to calm him down N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should bring Cardy and a load of butter tarts along with you in order to calm him down N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "Chiac is a result of planned assimilation"
Now thats wicked funny
Methinks you SANB/liberal dudes are quite a roll today N'esy Pas?
Now thats wicked funny
Methinks you SANB/liberal dudes are quite a roll today N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: " Chiac is a result of planned assimilation."
That's the funniest thing I have heard all week!
That's the funniest thing I have heard all week!
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Good that someone made you laugh for once give that you're always so sourpuss.
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: get this straight, it was not planned assimilation by any stretch.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Chiac is a local/regional dialect. E.g., speak to someone from Northern Newfoundland and you'll have a hard time understanding their English. Chiac is largely the result of the Englsih language influence. Plus the original Acadian "settlers" were largely uneducated in the French language. French language students today know the language well, but commonly revert to Chiac on the street.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Then why was Louis Robichaud strapped for bringing a french book to (the English) school?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "Good that someone made you laugh for once give that you're always so sourpuss."
Hilarious Marg!!! Keep it up. I have not laughed so much in a long while.
Hilarious Marg!!! Keep it up. I have not laughed so much in a long while.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks your buddy Freddy Baby has no idea how many times I
laugh at his self righteous indignation during the course of nearly
every day and I bet you SANB dudes know why N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Get this straight yourself, in southeast N. B., there was a time when Francophones were not allowed to speak French and had to hide their French books at schools when the inspectors came around. They also had to change their names to get a job which is why there are Whites, Goulds, Wedge, Sawyers etc... This explains the Chiac in that region.
Paul Bourgoin
Reading this article is like kicking a beehive! Jacques Poitras who do you stand for? mon francais?
Wayne Wright
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: stands for SANB Poitras does. Mr. Savoie answered the question
beautifully. My Acadian in-laws think this language bickering is
foolish & non-productive.
Yves Savoie
Reply to @Wayne Wright: Lot's en french people also call them sh.t disturbers....me too!
David Amos
Reply to @Yves Savoie: Me too
JJ Carrier
Seems the reporter left his CP Stylebook at home...This article is beyond my editing prowess...
David Amos
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Reply to @JJ Carrier:
Methinks if perchance you were anointed by the Crown to be the highly
paid editor of Poitras' work I would lay odds that you would have cut
out Higgy's buddy Chucky Leblanc's question to one of his latest cabinet
ministers N'esy Pas?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @JJ Carrier: Should journalists not be helping one another ?
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Methinks you would have enjoyed my response to the Irving shill but as
usual it was not permitted N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
Why do we even have a Minister for the Francophonie?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Brian
Robertson: Sad that the Francophone Elite with the support of
successive governments , have been allowed to discriminate against all
non-francophones over the past several decades. Even sadder that they
are turning against other Francophones who, in their mind, do not quite
measure up as " French enough ".
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Mack Leigh: it's because they have been assimilated according to the plan.
Paul Eric Lagace
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Assimilation of conquered peoples is a spectrum. Some embrace
the change, some resist, some have changed and remember, some learn
from their experience.
Marguerite
Deschamp
Reply to @Paul Eric Lagace: The French in North America have never been conquered. Canada d'à built on compromise.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Now thats truly funny
Methinks it was stated by a dyed in the wool Quebecker who has been playing with SANB dudes for years N'esy Pas?
Methinks it was stated by a dyed in the wool Quebecker who has been playing with SANB dudes for years N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
That is poor revisionist history or well cultivated propaganda.
That is poor revisionist history or well cultivated propaganda.
David Amos
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Reply to @Brian Robertson: Oh So True but it was comical
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Oh So True but it was comical
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Brian
Robertson: It's how history was taught in English schools that was
cultivated propaganda. Just ask the people who were here first.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: I remember the "Maire Jaune" years when people screamed at
you if you spoke French on Moncton's Main St. Times have changed,
enlightened people - both English and French speaking - get along a lot
better now, there is more understanding and respect. But there are still
a few cave dwellers around.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Haven't you played the " victim " long enough......
Marguerite
Deschamp
Reply to @Michel Forgeron: yes, Laine Jaune! Ha! Ha! Ha!
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Nope Methinks you understand why I am hoping the SANB/liberal dude
pretending to be a lady goes on and on and on and on I bet a lot of
folks are as entertained as I am at the circus today N'esy Pas?
Wayne
Wright
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: guess Wolfe defeating Montcalm on the Plains of Abraham is "conquering".
Marguerite
Deschamp
Reply to @Wayne
Wright: just a little musquet battle Wolfe won. Compromises had to be
agreed upon by the French, the Métis and those who were here first. A
lot has not been settled yet.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: One of my heroes Louis David Riel wrote many things in his
diary before the RCMP hung him. One was a prediction "The French would
take back Canada without firing a shot" Trust that in 2004 I made many
lawyers well aware that I quoted those words in the cover letter to Lt
Gov Herménégilde Chiasson.
Methinks that YOU SANB/liberal dudes your buddy Higgy and everybody else knows that I received answers from the Lt Gov Herménégilde Chiasson, his Maritime cohort the Lt Gov on the Rock and the Governor General Clarkson just before I was falsely imprisoned in a Yankee jail and held under the charges of "other" in solitary confinement with "NO Bail" until I read the Crown's minions in the RCMP and the DEFAIT the Riot Act N'esy Pas?
Methinks that YOU SANB/liberal dudes your buddy Higgy and everybody else knows that I received answers from the Lt Gov Herménégilde Chiasson, his Maritime cohort the Lt Gov on the Rock and the Governor General Clarkson just before I was falsely imprisoned in a Yankee jail and held under the charges of "other" in solitary confinement with "NO Bail" until I read the Crown's minions in the RCMP and the DEFAIT the Riot Act N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Hmmm When I mention my missing mail to the RCMP within the article today about the UPS leaving Moncton a local cop I have mixed words with before shows up to cover it up. in the "Mean" time you and Kevin Cormier tell folks to ignore other people's opinions. Methinks I have the right to consider it to be no coincidence N'esy Pas?
Andrew Clarkson
Must be a slow news day!
Rhonda Phillips
Reply to @Andrew
Clarkson: That seems to be the norm lately. Aren’t you happy to be
paying for it? I know it doesn’t impress me that much
David Amos
Reply to @Andrew Clarkson: Welcome to the circus
Methinks many of us find this nonsense VERY entertaining N'esy Pas?
Methinks many of us find this nonsense VERY entertaining N'esy Pas?
Paul Bourgoin
"Divide and Conquer" that is why New Brunswick remains the poorest Province in Canada!
Until we are able to stand as one nothing will change!
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Cry me a river
Fred Dee
There you have it!! It is all about being totally French!!! Not about being able to function in FRENCH!!!! NB will be dead soon due to this linguistic insanity!! MY kids have left for better jobs and futures... as have those that could!! I will be out of here in 10 years... This province is doomed!
Marc Martin
Reply to @Fred Dee:
French is only needed for 44% of the provincial government jobs. As a
parent you should have taught your kids to aim higher then government
jobs.
Natalie
Pugh
Reply to @Fred Dee:
It never was about bilingualism or anglophones able to function in
French. Nor, has is ever been about culture preservation.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Natalie
Pugh: Agreed, this is a take over of our province and country by the
Francophone Elite.. Language is just their weapon of choice..and
successive governments have been more than complicit in the agenda.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks the fancy red knickers of you SANB dudes are gonna get another big knot again today N'esy Pas?
David Peters
This could be the most ridiculous article ever...our tax $ at work, too.
It defines divisive, liberal policy, though. Gives an ugly look into liberal mind set....which is obviously twisted.
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Much to the chagrin of you PANB dudes I am enjoying it for obvious reasons
Paul Bourgoin
Well Jacques Poitras, Provincial Affairs reporter, you sure kicked the BEE HIVE here!
The Sorry situation is not to create French and english unity but to generate division!
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: Reminds me of days gone by with the articles and speeches
given by francophone activist Jean Marie Nadeau . He was also dead set
against francophones hooking up with non-francophones since it polluted
the gene pool in his opinion.. His books are another eye-opener as to
the mindset of the Francophone " Elite ".
Paul
Bourgoin
Reply to @Mack Leigh:
What about Hazens Raiders? It is not digging up old grudges but it is
to stand as one, also share our natural resources profits our resources
revenue could be banked in New Brunswick not in offshore banks and New
Brunswick needs to stand as one.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: We will never " stand as one " until the majority of
Francophones come to the full realization that they are being
manipulated and played for the benefit of the Elite. The time for
sitting on the fence has long past and it is time to stand up for the
unity and harmony that this province so desperately needs.
Marc Martin
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Yawnnn.....
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marc Martin: Need to up your B12 ole Boy !
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: My My that was witty
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Just as witty as "cry me a river!" and "N'esy pas"
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: So says a very dubious dude from Quebec pretending to be a lady EH?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: It's OK with me if you think I'm it!
debi mcdonald
WOW just WOW How can this even be important for the CBC to even have printed this ...... How much do they pay this guy to even write something like this ????
David Amos
Reply to @debi mcdonald: Go Figure
C Jones
People are fed up with the province being torn apart by those who are constantly complaining like Melanson and the SANB. Language and culture is not something that the government is ultimately responsible to protect; this is the real problem. That onus belongs to parents, grand-parents, teachers, communities, and family. Preserving a person's heritage should not be a principle focus of a government. Do that at home, at school, in your communities, and wherever its important to you. If it matters that much, then it shall be. Teach your own to uphold the values that you want to preserve, but don't use society as a crutch to hold you up. Every culture, from First Nations, to French, Irish, Scottish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc is responsible to pass on their language and culture to their offspring; but don't' blame or rely on the government to do this . It's not their primary job; they didn't have the child. It's up to you to teach and preserve, and to carry on your traditions.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @C Jones:
And it is definitely not the taxpayers responsibility or " duty " to pay
for all of this " propping " up of one minority over and above all
others....
Marc
Martin
Reply to @C Jones: So we should close all schools, we wouldn't want the school to teach English culture also now would we ?
Marc
Martin
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Are you saying the French don't pay taxes in NB?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marc
Martin: Give your head a shake Marc, since there is no " English "
culture. Canada is made up of many people from a large variety of
languages and cultures. It is up to each community to teach, support and
pay for its' own language and culture. It is not the responsibility of
government or the taxpayer nor should it have ever been their
responsibility.... Nothing more than forced social engineering on the
backs' of all Canadians and it is wrong.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Marc
Martin: Not anywhere near enough to pay for all of their " Distinct "
perks and never-ending demands...nope , not by a long shot..The majority
have been footing the majority of the bill for decades Canada - wide.
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: True
Tim Yates
Who is the Anglophonie Minister? Just wondering....
Evelyn
Gaudreau
Reply to @Tim Yates: It's Blaine Higgs.
C Jones
Reply to @Evelyn
Gaudreau: the people have spoken after years of being held hostage; it's
been caused primarily by the SANB; the majority are fed up of the
whining. Governments should not be in the language or culture
preservation business. That's up to individuals and communities.
Marc Martin
Reply to @C Jones: So we now teach sign languages to everyone ? Giver services in sign language to everyone ?
C Jones
Reply to @Marc Martin:
Families are ultimatley responsible to preserve one's culture; not
governments. Your sign language comment makes zero sense. Why should
any government anywhere on earth, and the taxpayers of theat gov't foot
the bill the preserve the culture of one group vs another? This is so
wrong. Individual groups should be responsible to do this on their own
if it's really that important. Also, the Charter should be opened up
and allow counties or areas in New Brunswick to decide for themselves
(vote), if they want to be officially bilingual. Forcing this on an
entire populace is also wrong and it's undemocratic. The people didn't
vote for this and the whole system needs to reflect "actual usage" and
not one size for all.
Natalie Pugh
Reply to @Marc
Martin: "So we now teach sign languages to everyone" Why the need?
You and all francophones in NB (with the exception of what 4%) speak
English!
David Amos
Reply to @Evelyn Gaudreau: I thought so too Hence Higgy should be shown the door in a few months
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: One more thing I agree with you other than you should get your Medicare card.
Billy Sturgeon
Slow news day.
It’s incredible how terrible journalists are in 2020. It’s no wonder CBC is another sinking ship
David Amos
Reply to @Billy
Sturgeon: Dream on Methinks Its one media outfit that will go on and on
and on at our expense If Trudeau The Younger continues to have it his
way N'esy Pas?
Justin Time
"Mr. Savoie has been brought up in an English community, went to an English school…I don't think that the francophone of New Brunswick are going to accept that." spoken by Robert Melanson, the head of the SANB. That sums up the SANB but I hope it doesn't represent the majority of francophones. It would seem that the SANB is nothing more than a francophone version of the old COR party. If there were no more francophones elected for Higgs to choose from, just exactly does the SANB want.
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Justin Time:
And do we actually think that any French Immersion will be " good
enough " for the likes of Robert Melanson and his cohorts ? Do we
actually have to wonder why the majority of government jobs especially
in the higher echelon are being awarded to Francophones ? When will we ,
as New Brunswickers, come to the full realization that what is
happening in NB is nothing more than forced social engineering with the
marginalization of all non-francophones as second-class citizens ? When
will we demand that the OLA be completely rewritten with changes being
made that reflect true democracy and equal treatment for all ?
Paul Bourgoin
Reply to @Justin Time: Honesty and Equality!
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Justin
Time: I must agree with you on this one. The former COR kicked Laurie
Robichaud from their party because he was not English enough. I am ok
with Glenn Savoie. But I do not trust this CORservative government.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Oh My my two people without the sand to offer their real
names agreeing with other Methinks Higgy et al should be impressed N'esy
Pas?
Justin
Time
Reply to @David Amos:
Thank you oh great one,who knows all, sees all , and even sued the
queen. I was going to list all your accomplishments but they are much to
extensive to fit here. Unfortunately what appears as a circus is
reality. N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Time: Of course this is a weal Circus DUHHHH????
Methinks I should ignore your insults and just quote the docket number of Federal Court in Fat Fred City and let folks check my work for themselves if so inclined N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos versus her Majesty the Queen
Federal Court File No. T-1557-15
Methinks I should ignore your insults and just quote the docket number of Federal Court in Fat Fred City and let folks check my work for themselves if so inclined N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos versus her Majesty the Queen
Federal Court File No. T-1557-15
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Time: Porky Pig says this is a weally weally big show
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Been watching too many Loony Tune cartoons, I see.
Justin
Time
Reply to @David Amos: you only reap what you sow.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Justin
Time: David is picking fights with everybody here. His only friend is
that doctor from Kent county. That's what he claims anyway.
Justin Time
Reply to @David Amos: And they might want to check the results of this famous lawsuit, file A-48-16 in the federal court.
Robert L. Brown
So witch one got elected
David Amos
Reply to @Robert L. Brown: The one from Saint john did
Donald Gallant
Is it “ Bobbie Jean “ or “ Bobbie John “
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: Methinks the not so clever dude the Yankees call "The Donald"
would say the former in order to keep my fellow rednecks in Louisiana
Happy Happy Happy N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Mack Leigh
How many times in the Gallant Liberal government alone did we hear or were subjected to the dismal almost painful mispronunciation of numerous words from a variety of languages from Rousselle, Melanson, etc., etc., etc... They were most capable of stepping all over the English language when it came to grammar, pronunciation , etc.. and yet not one article by Jacques Poitras was written on those particular " francophones ". How many times have we heard SANB president Robert Melanson in his attempt to have a full conversation in English yet not one article from Poitras ? How about the speeches and interviews given by Green MLA Kevin Arseneau and yet again not one article on this person regarding pronunciation by Poitras..... Time for reporting to be factual and nonpartisan rather than their trying to push an agenda.
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: "Surely this does not shock you, ole boy ?"
Methinks your words to me should apply to you as well N'esy Pas?
Methinks your words to me should apply to you as well N'esy Pas?
Wayne Wright
All those years in politics (2010 the article indicates) now CBC & Poitras thinks it important enough to find Glen's preference!! As a backbencher (ie; not important) it didn't matter; but now, as a Cabinet Minister, it does? I thought Glen handled the question very well. Jack you're unbelievable stirring up crap!
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne
Wright: Methinks its just another one of those things Poitras does that
many conservative people fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Just
another story about the SANB complaining about anything and everything
because they can't control the PC Party the way they control the Liberal
Party . Apparently the SANB wants Higgs to be a SANB controlled lap dog
the way Kevin Vickers is . Maybe give the SANB a 130 MILLION dollars
of the taxpayers hard earned cash to put on some FrancoPHONIE games ,
and then they will be happy . Welcome to N.B. ; Canada's ONLY OFFICIALLY
BILINGUAL province , and FAILED social experiment . There is a reason
why NO OTHER PROVINCE adopted official bilingualism !
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Steele: All I hear is crickets
Lewis Taylor
Savoie is as francophone as a french fry.
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks many Anglos around the Bay of Fundy prefer Fish and Chips N'esy Pas?
Lauchlin Murray
This is an argument I have studied in depth. In summary, a demonstration of the appreciation of pronouncing words recently derived from 'foreign' languages is often respected, especially by others speaking that 'foreign' language as a mother-tongue; most especially, as in this story, an attempt to pronounce a collocutor's (the person you speak with) personal name. The major problems are - there are several - 1. almost all of English is derived of loan words (words adopted from other languages) and through history they usually have taken on 'English' sounds. 2. while attempting to use their original sounds, for various reasons, an excesive (and often incorrect) amount of this trying to use original sounds has the affect of being stilted or snobby, and often results in ridicule, making the word take on a negative or pejorative connotation. Fortunately, or unfortunately, in social contexts, we are better off measuring and adapting to our audience, in a sort of 'slumming' technique. English, far more than any other language, due to its history and the history of the English people in travelling and colonizing, evolves rapidly. Words in a short period take on new or opposite meanings. Look at the word 'awe' compared to 'awful.' Or even 'bad'. While a sensitivity to others is useful in communications, the limitations of the 'rules' of language often make exaggerated or insincere attempts at pronunciation more dependent on personal rather than a global factor.
David Amos
Reply to @Lauchlin Murray: Methinks you need another hobby N'esy Pas?
Mack Leigh
There are thousands of families who came to Canada over the past several hundred years who have either changed the spelling or pronunciation of their last name.. There are thousands of people who "mispronounce " someone else's last name on a daily basis.. The Canadian government was famous for misspelling new immigrants names over several decades including the Irish, Scottish, and many others. Quebec committed terrible mistakes when registering new immigrants ...ever read the history of Irish immigrants to Quebec Many from the " ships " especially orphans were forced to not only change the spelling of their last name but also their religion..... Give it up Poitras and stop being a poop disturber to fit your own agenda.
David Amos
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Reply to @Mack Leigh:
Many original family names of our Forefathers are lost to history just
like my Clan's name is.The name we use was sourced from the Old
Testament just like it was done for the First Nations and Black folks.
Mack Leigh
And here we have yet another example of Jacques Poitras with the full blessings of the CBC trying to further the divide of people in this province. Who gives a tinkers damn about how Mr. Savoie pronounces his last name or about how others pronounce his last name ? This is just about splitting hairs in an effort to cause further discord. Is Poitras that committed to helping the Liberals get re-elected ? Being a diehard Liberal I guess that the end justifies the means..
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: BINGO
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/savoie-francophone-minister-higgs-cabinet-1.5475150
Francophones question new minister's commitment
PC MLA Glen Savoie may have francophone roots, but community says the role is a lost cause
· CBC News · Posted: Feb 25, 2020 4:08 PM AT
Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie was recently appointed to the minister responsible for the francophonie, given his francophone background and bilingualism. (CBC)
As Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie takes over as minister responsible for the francophonie, members of the francophone community are raising concerns.
Savoie's shuffle into cabinet was announced last week, after former minister Robert Gauvin announced he would be leaving the party over controversial health-care reforms.
Savoie is now one of two members of the Progressive Conservative government who speaks fluent French, the other being Education Minister Dominic Cardy.
"Having a family history, a francophone background, I certainly understand what it is that francophones experience in our province," said Savoie in an interview with Information Morning Moncton.
But Rosella Melanson, a women's rights activist and a member of the francophone community, says while Savoie has the background to make him a good fit, he won't succeed in gaining the trust of francophones, who have been shafted by the government for years.
Melanson says despite having a francophone background, Savoie hasn't stood up for them in a government she claims "does not care" about francophone issues.
"Who knew there was another francophone in the government?" she said. "I mean, for two years, we were saying that Robert Gauvin was the only one and Mr. Savoie hasn't said 'boo,' so his commitment to the issue and to the population isn't impressive at this point."
Savoie's promises
Savoie has said he is committed to the role and hopes to make sure francophones voices are heard.
"Making sure that we have a greater understanding and more linguistic harmony here at home, and making sure that the needs of our New Brunswick residents are being met, no matter what community you come from," said Savoie of his mandate.
He plans on meeting face to face with a number of francophone groups to understand the issues they are facing, and what he can do to help foster a better relationship with the government.
"It's important for me that the francophone community is comfortable with me," he said.
The larger issue
But Melanson said there's not much he can do to change the entrenched "anti-francophone" values of the PC party.
"It's a government-level change that is needed that Mr. Savoie cannot do," she said.
Melanson said, as a member of the francophone community, she is feeling at wit's end when it comes to proper government representation.
"Mr. Gauvin did not do a good job. He was nowhere to be found mostly," she said.
"I don't see that we're going to get any better."
Rosella Melanson, an activist and member of the francophone community, says Glen Savoie has his work cut out for him. (CBC)
She added the lack of concern for francophone issues from the provincial government is not only stemming from the PCs.
"The last Liberal government had lots of Acadian members, but they were mostly known for their silence too, so it's a question of political parties not caring and not doing right by the Acadians," she said.
Not a serious role
Robert Melanson, president of the Acadian Society of New Brunswick, said the role of minister for the francophonie does not hold any significance in the legislature, just further estranging the French population in the province.
"There [are] actually no francophones at all in the government, when francophones represent one third of the population in New Brunswick. For me, that is a real problem," he said.
Robert Melanson, president of the Acadian Society of New Brunswick, says the role of the francophone minister does not fully represent the issues of francophone New Brunwickers. (Jean-Philippe Hughes/Radio-Canada)
Savoie said he hopes to change that.
"That's part of my mandate is to make sure that that is not a symbolic position," he said.
"I know that it is a position that's meant to deal with la francophonie as an organization, and it's a diplomatic post, but part of my personality and part of my character is that when I'm given a responsibility I take it seriously."
Robert Melanson said he remains skeptical that Savoie will be able to step up to the plate.
"Mr. Savoie has been brought up in an English community, went to an English school…I don't think that the francophone of New Brunswick are going to accept that."
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Blaine Higgs shuffles cabinet after Robert Gauvin resignation
Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie and Riverview MLA Bruce Fitch join cabinet
· CBC News · Posted: Feb 21, 2020 11:10 AM AT
New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs added two new faces to his cabinet on Friday. (CBC)
Premier Blaine Higgs has announced a cabinet shuffle that will see two MLAs step into new roles after Robert Gauvin resigned last week and became an Independent member of the legislature.
Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie will replace Gauvin as the minister responsible for the francophonie. Savoie is one of two members of the Progressive Conservative government — the other is Dominic Cardy — who also speaks French.
Riverview MLA Bruce Fitch will become the new minister of tourism, heritage and culture, a portfolio that was also held by Gauvin.
Fitch was first elected to the legislature as an MLA in 2003. In previous PC governments, he served as a minister of different departments, including energy, justice, environment and local government and economic development, but Higgs didn't choose him for his cabinet until this week.
"I have full confidence in the ability of all members of our cabinet," Higgs said during the announcement.
"We have an incredibly strong team and we have a plan … I'm looking forward to continuing to work together to face our challenges and build a strong province."
Francophone representation weak
Although Higgs considers Savoie to be francophone, he said one of the vulnerabilities of his government is that the PCs don't have enough representation in francophone communities.
"I could do a lot of symbolic things, but if I'm going to do a real, meaningful effort to ensure the north are part of a government plan going forward, it comes to being able to create a longer-term solution. And right now it seems like that is pending."
Savoie was first elected to the legislature in 2010. He has been chair of the standing committees on Crown corporations and estimates and fiscal policy, and vice-chair of the standing committee on procedures, provisions and legislative offices.
Saint John East MLA Glen Savoie will replace Robert Gauvin as the minister responsible for the francophonie. (CBC)
"I'm confident he will represent us well," Higgs said.
Savoie considers himself to be both francophone and anglophone.
"I'm like many New Brunswickers who share deep and common heritage with multiple groups in the province," he said.
Savoie said he understands the needs of the francophone community.
"My heart and my desire is to ensure that the needs and the desires of the francophone community will be addressed through and with the help of the ministry that I am responsible for."
The PC government will put forward its budget in the legislature next month. If it doesn't pass, the Higgs government will be toppled and a provincial election called.
If that's the case, political scientist Mario Lévesque said, the new minister for the francophonie might not be in office for very long.
What Savoie will do?
The Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick told Radio-Canada that it welcomes the appointment of a new minister responsible for La Francophonie but has questions about his mandate.
"In New Brunswick, new ministers do not receive a mandate letter when they take office — at least, no letters are made public," said Robert Melanson, president of the society. "Will this new minister have a real mandate and the budget and human resources necessary to carry it out?
"Or will he, like Mr. Gauvin before him, be treated as a symbol within the administration to be dismissed when making important decisions that affect all the citizens of this province?"
Gauvin ready to vote against PCs
Gauvin resigned from cabinet after two health authorities announced plans to close six emergency rooms overnight.
One of the affected ERs is in the Enfant-Jésus Hospital in Caraquet, where Gauvin was born. Gauvin represents the nearby riding of Shippagan-Lameque-Miscou.
Robert Gauvin resigned from cabinet and quit the Progressive Conservative caucus. (CBC)
Although Higgs later cancelled plans to go ahead with the ER reductions, Gauvin did not appear satisfied. In addition to resigning from government, he vowed to vote against the provincial budget, which hasn't been presented yet.
Gauvin's role as deputy premier will not be filled, Higgs told the news conference.
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"The Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick told Radio-Canada that it welcomes the appointment of a new minister responsible for La Francophonie but has questions about his mandate."
Jonas Smith
This Gauvin fellow certain muddied his father's name.
David Amos
Reply to @Jonas
Smith: Methinks the ghosts of my Father and Step Father no doubt agree
as does his Fat Daddy who loved fast cars N'esy Pas?
john smith
its really unfortunate that gauvin left he had a great position had lot of sway i would like to hear from him who was trying to force him to vote against his conscious and i wonder if the same actors were involved in arsenault complaint of physical contact is their a single player in these events or is it systemic
john smith
Reply to @john smith:
id like to know what straw broke the camels back or was it a whole bale
that made him walk away was the pressure from within his party his
riding or was it a special int group exerting this pressure
David Amos
Reply to @john smith:
Methinks everybody knows the desperate dudes in the SANB were behind
it all After the the hospital he pretended to be oh so concerned about
was not even in Gauvin's riding yet he got all the news N'esy Pas?
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