David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Mon Ami just stated the following:
"The people of NB should pay attention to what is happening at NB Power. It is an important reason why we are short of funds for our health care."
Roger Richard
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/nb-power-plan-to-remove-joi-scientific.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-halls-creek-moncton-solar-powered-homes-1.5467975
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks folks must have heard enough about NB Power and Siemens and their "Not So Smart" Meter plans to figure out their wicked games with our money by now N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/nb-power-plan-to-remove-joi-scientific.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-halls-creek-moncton-solar-powered-homes-1.5467975
Details scarce on NB Power plan to begin building solar-powered neighborhood this year
Utility to spend millions on 100 solar-powered house in Halls Creek area of Moncton
· CBC News · Posted: Feb 19, 2020 5:00 AM AT
Generation Avenue in Moncton was part of the original Halls Creek Village development that went bankrupt in 2014. Homes in the area sell for up to $400,000, but it is not clear where NB Power's Halls Creek development will go or what the price of homes will be. (Pierre Fournier/CBC)
A multimillion-dollar plan to build a cluster of 100 solar-powered houses in the Halls Creek area of Moncton's Vision Lands — organized and partially paid for by NB Power — is scheduled to begin construction this year, although the exact location is unclear, no public announcements have been made and other details about the project are still vague.
"We are aware it is a potential project in Moncton which would be very exciting, but we don't have any other official details yet," said Elaine Aucoin, Moncton's director for environmental planning and development.
"We haven't had a building permit application yet, so we don't have the specifics."
Little has been said publicly about the housing development, but NB Power revealed some particulars at its recently concluded rate hearing in Saint John.
Elaine Aucoin, Moncton's director for environmental planning and development, says the city has heard a technologically advanced housing development is coming from NB Power but no application has been received yet. (Shane Magee/CBC)
According to a contract signed between NB Power and Siemens Canada Ltd. last year and entered into evidence at the rate hearing, the development involves the construction of 100 high efficiency "near net zero" houses over three years in a single neighbourhood that would operate as an experimental "micro-grid" the utility can study.
Each house is to be outfitted with solar panels, storage batteries, electric vehicle chargers and various "smart" products, including thermostats, meters and water heaters — largely installed at NB Power's expense.
The houses are to be run internally by sophisticated "nanogrid controllers" and will also be interconnected with each other using new microgrid technologies and artificial intelligence.
That will allow houses not just to run efficiently on their own but to share each other's generation and power storage capabilities and make the neighbourhood mostly energy self sufficient.
The group would still be connected to the larger NB Power distribution network but able to supply itself and operate independently if necessary during massive blackout events.
NB Power has budgeted to spend $10.9 million over three years on solar generation, power storage and distribution technology in the neighbourhood, the equivalent of $109,000 per dwelling. Federal funding will offset some of those expenses, but 70 per cent of the money is coming directly from NB Power, which is hoping to use the houses as a living laboratory.
"Customers will experience the insertion of these technologies and will provide feedback on functionality and benefits," according to the contract between NB Power and Siemens.
Lingering questions
Unclear so far is who is building the houses, what they will cost buyers and where in the Halls Creek area, which is close to the University of Moncton, the neighbourhood will be located.
In 2014, an attempt to develop what was called Halls Creek Village — an ecologically friendly 600-unit housing community in the same part of Moncton — went bankrupt after only a few houses were constructed.
Some of the land from that failed effort remains vacant, but the Ontario company that owns it says it has not been approached about NB Power's project.
The City of Moncton has been pursuing development, known as the Vision Lands, in a northwest section for more than a decade. NB Power's proposal to have 100 "near net zero" houses built in a cluster in the Halls Creek area so it can establish a micro-grid has officials excited. (City of Moncton)
"I am not aware of this development," said Larry Dunn, CEO of HarbourEdge Capital Corporation in an email to CBC News.
A second major landowner in the area, Century II Holdings Ltd., recently submitted a subdivision plan to the city close to Halls Creek, but President Wayne Girvan said it is not connected to the NB Power project, which he too had not heard about.
"It's unrelated, although I'm interested in hearing about it," said Girvan.
Although formal applications have not yet been made to Moncton about the development, NB Power officials told the EUB during the rate hearing that it expects to have the first houses built this year and included $3.1 million in its budget for that purpose.
"The current plan is to have a package with the builder to start with construction in the 2020 construction season," said NB Power's Stephanie Langlais, a financial controller with NB Power's "Energy Smart" group.
"We are currently working on the package with the homebuilder to determine exactly what these houses would look like.
"We expect that the package that we would offer for the homebuilder would be ready for the 2020 construction season, and that folks would be interested in purchasing these homes and have them be built."
'I have my doubts'
Langlais was answering questions from J.D. Irving Ltd. lawyer Christopher Stewart about Hall's Creek and two other community-based projects NB Power is pursuing separately in Shediac and Tobique First Nation.
Those two have much higher levels of federal funding than the Halls Creek development, up to 70 per cent, but Stewart questioned whether the utility is in a financial position to support any of them.
"Perhaps these projects will be of great value to ratepayers of NB Power in the future. Candidly, I have my doubts," said Stewart in his closing argument.
J.D. Irving Ltd. lawyer Christopher Stewart told the EUB last week he wondered if a Moncton housing development sponsored by NB Power would benefit its customers. 'Candidly, I have my doubts,' he said. (Roger Cosman/CBC)
"My real purpose in raising them is in response to what seems to be the utility's position that 'much of our costs are out of our control, we are doing everything we can.' Well, with respect, a walk through those projects and that significant spending says, 'No, no, you are not doing everything you can."
NB Power spokesperson Marc Belliveau said prices for homes in the new development are not yet set, but, if spending is approved by the EUB, the utility is hoping they will be accessible to multiple income groups
"Our expectation from discussions with our homebuilding partners is that these homes will be priced to make them as affordable to as many folks as possible," Belliveau said in an email.
Single-family homes in Moncton's Halls Creek area are assessed and/or have recently sold for between $250,000 and $400,000, similar to houses in the small "net zero ready" development at Dobson Landing in Riverview.
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David Amos
Methinks folks must have heard enough about NB Power and Siemens and their "Not So Smart" Meter plans to figure out their wicked games with our money by now N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks it only proper in the midnight hour of the 3rd day of this comment section to remain open in order for my fellow taxpayers and and NB Power stakeholders/ratepayers to post their opinions within, I should remind Higgy that Bernie Lord years ago ignoed the advice of the PUB before he fired them all and decided to refurbish Lepreau on his own accord. That was a very questionable deed that we are indeed still paying for dearly today. I trust that Higgy and his Minister Mikey Holland understand that they can follow Bernie Lord's example and with a stroke of their pens they can stop the latest NB Power rate increase and more importantly put an end to the secretive contracts with Siemens over Halls Creek and "Not So Smart' Meter nonsense before more money New Brunswickers don't have is borrowed and spent needlessly.
Furthermore Higgy should recall Premiers Graham's downfall when he created an MOU with Quebec put a stop the dumb deal he struck with Quebec. I must say paying Quebec 100 million dollars in order to consult us on how to refurbish an Hydro Electric dam is offensive in light of the fact that NB Power has one of the oldest in the world in Musquash. That it has stood the test of time for a century. I am certain we have still have enough engineering expertise who were properly educated within the borders of our province by our taxpayer dollars who would like to remain home and make a decent living while easily assisting in refurbishing the dam above Fat Fred City that belongs to us all, After all dam rebuilding not rocket science N'esy Pas Higgy?
I suspect the new Minister Savoie understands Chiac very well even the newly Independent comedian/MLA pretends that he does not EH?
Roger Richard
Those various projects, like smart meters, are not for the benefit of the people or the environment but for the benefit of our consumerism society: more trash in the dumpster.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: YUP
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Well Well Mon Ami
Whereas you are a man of few words I have taken the liberty of having Google translate your words from the last day of the EUB hearing for NB Power's latest bid for a rate increase. CBC should allow the following words to stand the test of time because they are sourced from the same public hearing on the same day that the lawyer speaking for the Irving Clan's voiced their concerns about Halls Creek.
In my humble opinion your words were ten times more important. Methinks to be fair to the Irving Clan I should mention that the beginning of the hearing the Times and Transcript which is owned by them reported that you hit the nail on the head out of the gate on the first day of the hearing N'esy Pas?
Whereas you are a man of few words I have taken the liberty of having Google translate your words from the last day of the EUB hearing for NB Power's latest bid for a rate increase. CBC should allow the following words to stand the test of time because they are sourced from the same public hearing on the same day that the lawyer speaking for the Irving Clan's voiced their concerns about Halls Creek.
In my humble opinion your words were ten times more important. Methinks to be fair to the Irving Clan I should mention that the beginning of the hearing the Times and Transcript which is owned by them reported that you hit the nail on the head out of the gate on the first day of the hearing N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: I hope some folks get to read this
NEW BRUNSWICK ENERGY and UTILITIES BOARD
Matter 458
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of the schedules of rates for the fiscal year commencing April 1st 2020.
Held at the Delta Hotel, Saint John, N.B. on February 13th 2020.
Page 1187
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Dr. Richard?
DR. RICHARD: Mr. President and dear fellow citizens, here is the mandate of New Brunswick Power, and I quote: The New Brunswick Power Corporation shall, over the 2020-2021 fiscal year, deliver on the following items: Achieve a capital structure of at least 20% equity by 2027 through cost reductions and other appropriate mechanisms that will maintain low and stable rates for New Brunswickers. This target should come first and foremost in utility planning and may require eliminating investments in other endeavors such as research and business development opportunities until the equity target is met. End of quote.
NEW BRUNSWICK ENERGY and UTILITIES BOARD
Matter 458
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of the schedules of rates for the fiscal year commencing April 1st 2020.
Held at the Delta Hotel, Saint John, N.B. on February 13th 2020.
Page 1187
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Dr. Richard?
DR. RICHARD: Mr. President and dear fellow citizens, here is the mandate of New Brunswick Power, and I quote: The New Brunswick Power Corporation shall, over the 2020-2021 fiscal year, deliver on the following items: Achieve a capital structure of at least 20% equity by 2027 through cost reductions and other appropriate mechanisms that will maintain low and stable rates for New Brunswickers. This target should come first and foremost in utility planning and may require eliminating investments in other endeavors such as research and business development opportunities until the equity target is met. End of quote.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
As you know, 50% of our fellow citizens have an annual salary of less than 30,000 dollars per year. They have difficulty making ends meet. We read some letters on Wednesday of the past week experiencing some moods. Peace, P A I X, social or the well-being of people is essential in any society. The cost of electricity influences not only our bill for heating the house, but also all those things we buy for food, clothing, various services, et cetera. Also the cost of electricity must represent the real cost of production and not just a party.
This is important because if the tariff does not include all the costs in the present moment, it is the generations to the future who will pay for the errors of our generation. It is easy to understand that we are at a point where environmental issues and the province's financial statements require well thought out decisions. So this brings us to the Mactaquac dam.
As you know, 50% of our fellow citizens have an annual salary of less than 30,000 dollars per year. They have difficulty making ends meet. We read some letters on Wednesday of the past week experiencing some moods. Peace, P A I X, social or the well-being of people is essential in any society. The cost of electricity influences not only our bill for heating the house, but also all those things we buy for food, clothing, various services, et cetera. Also the cost of electricity must represent the real cost of production and not just a party.
This is important because if the tariff does not include all the costs in the present moment, it is the generations to the future who will pay for the errors of our generation. It is easy to understand that we are at a point where environmental issues and the province's financial statements require well thought out decisions. So this brings us to the Mactaquac dam.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
There is no question here of doubting the importance of renewable energy. But renovating or redoing Mactaquac will require around $ 3 billion that we don't have. It will be the next generations who will pay with high electricity rates. This is exactly what is happening right now in Newfoundland and Labrador with the Muskrat Falls dam. Stress for the population. We recently learned that we can buy Quebec electricity from renewable sources. In addition, a price less than we can produce it.
Why not take advantage of it for a few years, excuse me, why not take advantage of it for a few years and take the time to think carefully about our business. Already in the spring or summer New Brunswick Power wants to start studying this project. You say, and I quote: Our analysis to date shows that Mactaquac is the most valuable option given the technology and given the need for renewable energy. End of quote. February 5 transcript page 113 and following. But don't you think there is a serious possibility that the people of New Brunswick have other priorities? The $ 100 million study project for Mactaquac is a good example of a trail you shouldn't take. Please read the first paragraph of New Brunswick Power's mandate quietly. Too many projects have been thoughtlessly considered. We only have to think of recent projects like Joi Entertainment, the IMA, the mini nuclear power plant, Maritime Iron, as well as other projects from the past. Mr. President and dear fellow citizens, we are discovering many errors of judgment. The WACC formula is important for objectively evaluating a project. It is a simple formula which takes into account the financial situation of the company.
There is no question here of doubting the importance of renewable energy. But renovating or redoing Mactaquac will require around $ 3 billion that we don't have. It will be the next generations who will pay with high electricity rates. This is exactly what is happening right now in Newfoundland and Labrador with the Muskrat Falls dam. Stress for the population. We recently learned that we can buy Quebec electricity from renewable sources. In addition, a price less than we can produce it.
Why not take advantage of it for a few years, excuse me, why not take advantage of it for a few years and take the time to think carefully about our business. Already in the spring or summer New Brunswick Power wants to start studying this project. You say, and I quote: Our analysis to date shows that Mactaquac is the most valuable option given the technology and given the need for renewable energy. End of quote. February 5 transcript page 113 and following. But don't you think there is a serious possibility that the people of New Brunswick have other priorities? The $ 100 million study project for Mactaquac is a good example of a trail you shouldn't take. Please read the first paragraph of New Brunswick Power's mandate quietly. Too many projects have been thoughtlessly considered. We only have to think of recent projects like Joi Entertainment, the IMA, the mini nuclear power plant, Maritime Iron, as well as other projects from the past. Mr. President and dear fellow citizens, we are discovering many errors of judgment. The WACC formula is important for objectively evaluating a project. It is a simple formula which takes into account the financial situation of the company.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
I would like to go further and add the environment to the equation. It would be more appropriate for our desperate situation of 2020. Our own capital. At one point, not long ago, New Brunswick Power had money in the bank. This is not currently the case. The services provided by New Brunswick Power are essential. Hence the importance of having a financially reliable company. It is worrying to see the clean capital stagnating at such a low level. Our level of stubbornness is very worrying. There is a great risk that at some point our provincial government will decide to sell New Brunswick Power to a private company, as has been done in Nova Scotia. It will not be for the good of the people. In addition, in the early 2000s we learned that New Brunswick Power had quietly made a turn -. These new devices are efficient, but these technologies are constantly evolving and are subject to programming problems. They therefore depreciate faster than analog devices and this is one of the reasons why our own capital is anemic. Smart meters will not help our own capital for this simple reason. All of this has a direct effect on the rates charged for electricity. Analog devices are better for the environment because they last longer and therefore less waste. It’s a shame to compare technology similar to Ford’s Model T. It would be good to become the concept of progress. Progress over what? The industry? Our consumer society? Or the environment? It must be remembered that there are Canadian companies ready to manufacture analog meters if necessary.
I would like to go further and add the environment to the equation. It would be more appropriate for our desperate situation of 2020. Our own capital. At one point, not long ago, New Brunswick Power had money in the bank. This is not currently the case. The services provided by New Brunswick Power are essential. Hence the importance of having a financially reliable company. It is worrying to see the clean capital stagnating at such a low level. Our level of stubbornness is very worrying. There is a great risk that at some point our provincial government will decide to sell New Brunswick Power to a private company, as has been done in Nova Scotia. It will not be for the good of the people. In addition, in the early 2000s we learned that New Brunswick Power had quietly made a turn -. These new devices are efficient, but these technologies are constantly evolving and are subject to programming problems. They therefore depreciate faster than analog devices and this is one of the reasons why our own capital is anemic. Smart meters will not help our own capital for this simple reason. All of this has a direct effect on the rates charged for electricity. Analog devices are better for the environment because they last longer and therefore less waste. It’s a shame to compare technology similar to Ford’s Model T. It would be good to become the concept of progress. Progress over what? The industry? Our consumer society? Or the environment? It must be remembered that there are Canadian companies ready to manufacture analog meters if necessary.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Smart meters. We demonstrated in proceeding 452 that the IMA project is not financially viable and is an environmental disaster. On page 117 and following of the February 5 transcript, you find it difficult to answer the following question. What will happen when Richibucto has to be a smart city? Who will pay? After several tries, you end up answering the question on page 119. You say that obviously New Brunswick Power customers will pay. In the absence of government subsidy. Even at Shediac supposedly a very well planned project, you have exceeded the costs. So it’s expensive to be smart. An important aspect which unfortunately does not have to be sufficiently explained is computer security with the advent of this number technology. On page 21 of the same document, you talk about the need to hire more union members, and I quote. Some of this comes from new requirements in that, you know, in the introduction of technology is also the introduction of risk, like cyber risk and those kinds of things. So certainly we need to ensure our facilities are well protected. That can lead to resource types that are required to kind of ensure that that is so. End of quote. So we remove the meter reader and replace them with people specializing in computers.
Smart meters. We demonstrated in proceeding 452 that the IMA project is not financially viable and is an environmental disaster. On page 117 and following of the February 5 transcript, you find it difficult to answer the following question. What will happen when Richibucto has to be a smart city? Who will pay? After several tries, you end up answering the question on page 119. You say that obviously New Brunswick Power customers will pay. In the absence of government subsidy. Even at Shediac supposedly a very well planned project, you have exceeded the costs. So it’s expensive to be smart. An important aspect which unfortunately does not have to be sufficiently explained is computer security with the advent of this number technology. On page 21 of the same document, you talk about the need to hire more union members, and I quote. Some of this comes from new requirements in that, you know, in the introduction of technology is also the introduction of risk, like cyber risk and those kinds of things. So certainly we need to ensure our facilities are well protected. That can lead to resource types that are required to kind of ensure that that is so. End of quote. So we remove the meter reader and replace them with people specializing in computers.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Trade unions. In us - 2019 - there are 2,502 unionized employees and 246 non-unionized employees, for a total of 2,748. We learn that it is expected 2,704 employees at New Brunswick Power for the year 2020-2021, a lesser number. Of this latter number 654 unionized and 188 non-unionized employees will have a salary of over 100,000 dollars per year. 852 compared to 2704 equal to 33.5% of the employees who will have a salary of more than 100,000 dollars per year. You are far from representing the financial situation of the people of New Brunswick.
It must be remembered that 50% of the population of New Brunswick have less than 30,000 dollars per year. Who - is 91% of New Brunswick Power employees are unionized and all of them are going to be negotiating for a new contract in 2020. No wonder they are the only ones who approved an increase in electricity rates. In conclusion, the different fuels for our electricity production are less expensive than expected this year. Also, we obtained a favorable rate from Quebec for electricity from renewable sources. A much better rate than what we would cost if this electricity was produced by us. In addition, this hydroelectricity does not entail a carbon tax. And if in addition that New Brunswick Power changes its way of analyzing the relevance of projects, they cost less to operate. It’s a bit like this change of attitude that people ask us in their letters.
Trade unions. In us - 2019 - there are 2,502 unionized employees and 246 non-unionized employees, for a total of 2,748. We learn that it is expected 2,704 employees at New Brunswick Power for the year 2020-2021, a lesser number. Of this latter number 654 unionized and 188 non-unionized employees will have a salary of over 100,000 dollars per year. 852 compared to 2704 equal to 33.5% of the employees who will have a salary of more than 100,000 dollars per year. You are far from representing the financial situation of the people of New Brunswick.
It must be remembered that 50% of the population of New Brunswick have less than 30,000 dollars per year. Who - is 91% of New Brunswick Power employees are unionized and all of them are going to be negotiating for a new contract in 2020. No wonder they are the only ones who approved an increase in electricity rates. In conclusion, the different fuels for our electricity production are less expensive than expected this year. Also, we obtained a favorable rate from Quebec for electricity from renewable sources. A much better rate than what we would cost if this electricity was produced by us. In addition, this hydroelectricity does not entail a carbon tax. And if in addition that New Brunswick Power changes its way of analyzing the relevance of projects, they cost less to operate. It’s a bit like this change of attitude that people ask us in their letters.
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: In summary, this is exactly the first paragraph of New Brunswick Power's mandate. We will reduce the stress of seeing our own capital so low if we decide not to do big projects like Mactaquac and IMA. It must be remembered that other provinces have made the sacrifice to do these big projects. They are ready to share the fruit of their labor. It's up to us to take advantage of it. For this year we do not have enough reason not to increase the prices.
Here is a final letter to give some context to my report.
I quote :
From Mildred McShane.
Sent January 30 to NBEUB.
Subject increasing our hydro bill.
I am a senior living by myself, and trying my hardest to stay in my home and keep it going, which you can understand is getting tougher every day. In the winter it cost everyone more to live with all the extra things that have to be done, and to pay; and to have to pay a higher hydro bill could bring me to point of not being able to pay my bill at all. The hundred dollar rebate does not cut it, and I am sure you know that. Every month I am getting further and further behind, and do not have any savings to help out when my bills get too high on certain months. You, NB Power asked for an increase in rates every year, and a hefty one at that. And after reading in our newspaper that last year you wanted to increase the residents more than the businesses, I almost can’t believe it.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
How dare you make such a statement? I know you may think we are sleeping, but I can assure you that we are not, especially when it comes to survival, where, at which point I am now. What makes you think that it is justified to put this extra cost and stress on the population of New Brunswick? And no, we do not need millions of dollars spent on smart meters. If we are running out of hydro, or using too much stop selling it to other places. I just don’t understand. I have heard the horror stories on them in other parts of Canada. I hate to have to mention this, but some of the money you think you need to run things is going into the pockets of your CEOs. Give us a break. How far do you think you can push the people of this province before things crash? If us seniors can’t stay in our homes, then we will be in nursing homes, where then you and your partner, the government, will be paying their own hydro. I thought we were supposed to be working together to make this world better? Increasing the cost of living, by increasing things we can’t do without is only going to keep people suppressed, unwilling to try to improve their own assets or the world around them and increase the amount of people who are dealing with depression. It is not normal for people who are working, retired or whatever, who are doing all they can do to pull their weight in this world, and struggle to survive. I know we can’t all be well off, but we should not have to be peasants. I am going to forward this to my MLA, so he can understand how most of us in New Brunswick feel about this matter. By the way, you didn’t give the people of New Brunswick much notice to respond to this new idea, did you?
Sincerely Mildred McShane.
End of quote.
How dare you make such a statement? I know you may think we are sleeping, but I can assure you that we are not, especially when it comes to survival, where, at which point I am now. What makes you think that it is justified to put this extra cost and stress on the population of New Brunswick? And no, we do not need millions of dollars spent on smart meters. If we are running out of hydro, or using too much stop selling it to other places. I just don’t understand. I have heard the horror stories on them in other parts of Canada. I hate to have to mention this, but some of the money you think you need to run things is going into the pockets of your CEOs. Give us a break. How far do you think you can push the people of this province before things crash? If us seniors can’t stay in our homes, then we will be in nursing homes, where then you and your partner, the government, will be paying their own hydro. I thought we were supposed to be working together to make this world better? Increasing the cost of living, by increasing things we can’t do without is only going to keep people suppressed, unwilling to try to improve their own assets or the world around them and increase the amount of people who are dealing with depression. It is not normal for people who are working, retired or whatever, who are doing all they can do to pull their weight in this world, and struggle to survive. I know we can’t all be well off, but we should not have to be peasants. I am going to forward this to my MLA, so he can understand how most of us in New Brunswick feel about this matter. By the way, you didn’t give the people of New Brunswick much notice to respond to this new idea, did you?
Sincerely Mildred McShane.
End of quote.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Thank you - for letting me speak.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Doctor Richard. I would just like to understand your position on the rate increase that is being presented to the Commission at this time. Are you for the increase or against the increase?
DR. RICHARD: I would be against it.
Thank you - for letting me speak.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Doctor Richard. I would just like to understand your position on the rate increase that is being presented to the Commission at this time. Are you for the increase or against the increase?
DR. RICHARD: I would be against it.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Thanks CBC for posting most of it
David Amos
"According to a contract signed between NB Power and Siemens Canada Ltd. last year and entered into evidence at the rate hearing"
Yea Right Methinks folks should care far more about the questionable contract with Siemans over "Not So Smart" Meters that involves over a hundred million loonies. The sneaky contract about making fancy houses for wealthy SANB people pales in comparison N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks some folks may recall at the beginning of the latest EUB hearing about NB Power's bid for another rate increase the Times and Transcript newsrag owned by the Irving Clan had an editorial stating that my friend Roger Richard "hit the nail on the head" during the first day of the hearing. Now the hearing has been over for nearly a week and nary a peep from Mr Jones about what Roger Richard had to say on behalf of his fellow New Brunswickers N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks some folks would understand why Roger and me didn't pay any attention to the Irving Clan's lament about Halls Creek during the hearing last eek. However why is Mr Jones bringing the issue to light only now should be the question of the day today N'esy Pas?
David Amos
"I have my doubts" Me Too
"Perhaps these projects will be of great value to ratepayers of NB Power in the future. Candidly, I have my doubts," said Stewart in his closing argument"
Methinks everybody knows why I don't what any lawyer says candidly or otherwise especially the same lawyer who works for the Irving Clan who changed his mind and decided to support the "Not So Smart" Meter plan when NB Power took a second kick at the can the instant Higgy secured a mandate N'esy Pas?
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David Amos
Methinks everybody knows that Roger and me will be heard by the EUB in one last matter that has been before the board since 2017. It is purportedly to begin shortly but I suspect it will be delayed again until after another wicked Election N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
According to Mr Jones everything hinges on "Not So Smart" Meters
Methinks everybody knows I disagree that is why the EUB has barred me
from every hearing since 2017 except the 357 Matter N'esy Pas?
EUB punts rate hearing as NB Power studies $122M smart meter plan
EUB agrees to suspend hearing so it can deal first with NB Power's proposed $122M purchase of smart meters
Robert Jones · Posted: Sep 26, 2017 6:00 AM AT
An effort to redesign the way NB Power charges customers for electricity — generally viewed as bad news for those who heat with electricity — has been suspended by the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board for one year.
The EUB has agreed to consider an upcoming NB Power application to spend $122 million on new "smart meters" for homes and businesses first.
"The Board finds that the AMI (Advanced Metering Infrastructure) application should precede the rate design hearing and therefore it is in the public interest to grant an adjournment," ruled EUB chairman Raymond Gorman in a brief hearing last week.
NB Power has been under pressure from the EUB to better match prices it charges for electricity to the cost of producing and distributing power. That could see consumers paying substantially different prices for power between summer and winter — even between day and night.
EUB punts rate hearing as NB Power studies $122M smart meter plan
EUB agrees to suspend hearing so it can deal first with NB Power's proposed $122M purchase of smart meters
Robert Jones · Posted: Sep 26, 2017 6:00 AM AT
An effort to redesign the way NB Power charges customers for electricity — generally viewed as bad news for those who heat with electricity — has been suspended by the New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board for one year.
The EUB has agreed to consider an upcoming NB Power application to spend $122 million on new "smart meters" for homes and businesses first.
"The Board finds that the AMI (Advanced Metering Infrastructure) application should precede the rate design hearing and therefore it is in the public interest to grant an adjournment," ruled EUB chairman Raymond Gorman in a brief hearing last week.
NB Power has been under pressure from the EUB to better match prices it charges for electricity to the cost of producing and distributing power. That could see consumers paying substantially different prices for power between summer and winter — even between day and night.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Continued
Seasonal power rates could cause consumer backlash, says consultant
But the utility has argued there is little room to make substantial changes like that until its entire inventory of power meters is upgraded.
"It is NB Power's submission that the rate design proceeding is … premature because it does contemplate discussion of rate design options that might not be available depending on … (smart meter) deployment," NB Power's senior legal counsel John Furey said during arguments for the suspension.
Tracking more frequent
Unlike current units that have to be physically visited to be read, smart meters will connect directly to NB Power computers, allowing individual customers to have electricity consumption tracked several times an hour instead of once a month.
The utility says this will allow it to charge a variety of rates for electricity — more when consumption is higher, such as in the mornings, on weekends and during winter — and less when consumption is lower.
"We are going from reading a customer's meter once a month, so 12 times a year, up to 12 times an hour," former NB Power executive Neil Larlee said during testimony in front of the EUB last February.
Seasonal power rates could cause consumer backlash, says consultant
But the utility has argued there is little room to make substantial changes like that until its entire inventory of power meters is upgraded.
"It is NB Power's submission that the rate design proceeding is … premature because it does contemplate discussion of rate design options that might not be available depending on … (smart meter) deployment," NB Power's senior legal counsel John Furey said during arguments for the suspension.
Tracking more frequent
Unlike current units that have to be physically visited to be read, smart meters will connect directly to NB Power computers, allowing individual customers to have electricity consumption tracked several times an hour instead of once a month.
The utility says this will allow it to charge a variety of rates for electricity — more when consumption is higher, such as in the mornings, on weekends and during winter — and less when consumption is lower.
"We are going from reading a customer's meter once a month, so 12 times a year, up to 12 times an hour," former NB Power executive Neil Larlee said during testimony in front of the EUB last February.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Continued
Smart meters for $122M
But the new meters are expensive, an estimated $92 million to acquire one for each customer and another $30 million to have them installed and made operational.
It's an expense that largely requires EUB approval, something the regulator is expected to hear evidence on this winter and rule on by next spring. NB Power said without that decision being made first, redesigning rates made little sense.
"I don't see how we can have a meaningful process … because we don't know what rate design options are available or might be precluded in the event the (smart meter) decision is not to deploy or to deploy," said Furey.
Because those who heat with electricity consume large amounts of power during high-demand cold snaps, the rate design process is generally expected to result in higher costs for that group.
However, NB Power has argued smart meters will allow for enough discount periods that electric heat customers who move activities such as laundry, dishwashing and showers into the evening will be able to offset some or all of the increases they experience.
NB Power is expected to formally apply to buy and install smart meters provincewide within the next two weeks as part of its next general rate increase application.
The rate design hearing will resume next fall.
Smart meters for $122M
But the new meters are expensive, an estimated $92 million to acquire one for each customer and another $30 million to have them installed and made operational.
It's an expense that largely requires EUB approval, something the regulator is expected to hear evidence on this winter and rule on by next spring. NB Power said without that decision being made first, redesigning rates made little sense.
"I don't see how we can have a meaningful process … because we don't know what rate design options are available or might be precluded in the event the (smart meter) decision is not to deploy or to deploy," said Furey.
Because those who heat with electricity consume large amounts of power during high-demand cold snaps, the rate design process is generally expected to result in higher costs for that group.
However, NB Power has argued smart meters will allow for enough discount periods that electric heat customers who move activities such as laundry, dishwashing and showers into the evening will be able to offset some or all of the increases they experience.
NB Power is expected to formally apply to buy and install smart meters provincewide within the next two weeks as part of its next general rate increase application.
The rate design hearing will resume next fall.
Roger Richard
Reply to @David Amos: The people of NB should pay attention to what is happening at NB Power. It is an important reason why we are short of funds for our health care.
Roger Richard
Reply to @David Amos: The year ending December 2018, 1,496 NB Power’s employees made over $100,000: 1,308 unionized and 188 non-union. In December 2018, NB Power has 2,345 union positions and 244 non union positions for a total of 2,598. So in the year 2018, 57,6% of our employees in NB Power made over $100,000!
David Amos
Methinks I should be redundant and remind folks that anyone access the the website of the EUB in order to read the transcripts and study the document to figure out the truth of the matters for themselves. After all nobody should dare to deny that NB Power belongs to ALL new Brunswickers not just the temporary Minister Mikey Holland N'esy Pas?
David Amos
"I have my doubts" Me Too
"Perhaps these projects will be of great value to ratepayers of NB Power in the future. Candidly, I have my doubts," said Stewart in his closing argument"
Methinks everybody knows why I don't what any lawyer says candidly or otherwise especially the same lawyer who works for the Irving Clan who changed his mind and decided to support the "Not So Smart" Meter plan when NB Power took a second kick at the can the instant Higgy secured a mandate N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks some folks may enjoy the first part of just one hoedown I had with w thw EUBN'esy Pas?
New Brunswick Energy and Utilities Board
PARTICIPANTS - Matter 375
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of the schedules of the rates for the fiscal year commencing April 1, 2018.
Held at the Delta Hotel Saint John, New Brunswick, on October 31, 2017.
CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Amos, before we get into the discussion with respect to your status as intervenor, because there has been an objection filed, again your intervenor request does not set out the reasons for your request to be an intervenor. So just like I have put those questions to Mr. Bourque, could you perhaps just expand upon the rate class that perhaps you are a customer in and what perspective you would bring to this hearing?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
MR. AMOS: Mr. Gorman, I just became aware of this motion as I entered
this room. I'm just starting to read it now. I request time to study
it before I argue it. With that said, as I said in the last hearing,
residential class ratepayer, the reason I'm intervening in this matter
is because of my two friends here. Both have concerns with these rate
increases. My friend Roger in particular has to do with the smart
meters and Gerald with the expenses and the debts incurred by NB Power.
Both of these fellows are not familiar with how court processes work
and they asked me to help them with this matter. I was done with you --
357 and preparing to sue you, sir. I said I will help them intervene
because of his concerns about smart meters, his concerns about the debts
involving site meters and other things, and my concerns about the
severe lack of ethics of all the officers of the court in this room.
Mr. Furey is familiar with me when he worked for the attorney General.
Now in the last hearing that I was at I was invited to a meeting in a boardroom of Stewart McKelvey, the very people that appear to have filed this motion, saying I don't know my business. At this meeting I wasn't allowed to share what was said, although all the intervenors, including Hugh Segal's associate, listened in
Now in the last hearing that I was at I was invited to a meeting in a boardroom of Stewart McKelvey, the very people that appear to have filed this motion, saying I don't know my business. At this meeting I wasn't allowed to share what was said, although all the intervenors, including Hugh Segal's associate, listened in
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, if I could just interrupt for a moment --
MR. AMOS: It has to do with ratepayers --
CHAIRMAN: No, no. Excuse me, please.
MR. AMOS: -- and site --
CHAIRMAN: Please, Mr. Amos --
MR. AMOS: Your question is site meters, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, could you just hold back your remarks for a moment.
MR. AMOS: I'm reading this motion. I'm much offended.
CHAIRMAN: Look, before we get to the motion, all I have asked you is for you --
MR. AMOS: Site meters, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Sorry?
MR. AMOS: Site meters. $122 million and then the write-off of the existing meters. I believe that's in the mandate of this, correct?
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So you are saying that you are intending to intervene in this proceeding because of the --
MR. AMOS: I'm watching you, sir. You are at the end of your term February 1st. Jack Keir appointed you ten years ago February 1st. I wonder --
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, I'm --
MR. AMOS: -- who the next Chair is going to be.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, could you try to stay on topic here. The question --
MR. AMOS: I'm checking your integrity in helping my friends with their concerns about the expenses of NB Power in site meters.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So, Mr. Amos, are you telling me that your intervention would be around the advanced meter infrastructure? Is that the reason that you want to intervene?
MR. AMOS: And the rate increase in and of itself is unnecessary.
CHAIRMAN: Okay.
MR. AMOS: It has to do with ratepayers --
CHAIRMAN: No, no. Excuse me, please.
MR. AMOS: -- and site --
CHAIRMAN: Please, Mr. Amos --
MR. AMOS: Your question is site meters, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, could you just hold back your remarks for a moment.
MR. AMOS: I'm reading this motion. I'm much offended.
CHAIRMAN: Look, before we get to the motion, all I have asked you is for you --
MR. AMOS: Site meters, sir.
CHAIRMAN: Sorry?
MR. AMOS: Site meters. $122 million and then the write-off of the existing meters. I believe that's in the mandate of this, correct?
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So you are saying that you are intending to intervene in this proceeding because of the --
MR. AMOS: I'm watching you, sir. You are at the end of your term February 1st. Jack Keir appointed you ten years ago February 1st. I wonder --
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, I'm --
MR. AMOS: -- who the next Chair is going to be.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, could you try to stay on topic here. The question --
MR. AMOS: I'm checking your integrity in helping my friends with their concerns about the expenses of NB Power in site meters.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So, Mr. Amos, are you telling me that your intervention would be around the advanced meter infrastructure? Is that the reason that you want to intervene?
MR. AMOS: And the rate increase in and of itself is unnecessary.
CHAIRMAN: Okay.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: MR. AMOS: I have many reasons --
CHAIRMAN: Okay. Could I --
MR. AMOS: -- but I think it's a matter for another court after reading this motion. They mentioned the Federal Court of Appeal. You must be aware of me in the Federal Court, right?
CHAIRMAN: Sir, that's the matter --
MR. AMOS: Have you read this motion?
CHAIRMAN: -- that we are now discussing. Sir, that's not what we are talking about right now.
MR. AMOS: Well that's what I'm talking about.
CHAIRMAN: I want to know the reason for your intervention and you have said --
MR. AMOS: Site meters and this rate increase and the write down of the current meters.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So you have indicated that you are here because you want to assist --
MR. AMOS: Are you double-talking? That's exactly what I said. It's on the record. I'm here because I take offence to the deal with -- what is it, Siemens -- for 122 million and then the cost of installing these meters so that the ratepayers will have to pay more during certain times of the day when they use a dryer when Mr. Furey decides it's not proper.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So
CHAIRMAN: Okay. Could I --
MR. AMOS: -- but I think it's a matter for another court after reading this motion. They mentioned the Federal Court of Appeal. You must be aware of me in the Federal Court, right?
CHAIRMAN: Sir, that's the matter --
MR. AMOS: Have you read this motion?
CHAIRMAN: -- that we are now discussing. Sir, that's not what we are talking about right now.
MR. AMOS: Well that's what I'm talking about.
CHAIRMAN: I want to know the reason for your intervention and you have said --
MR. AMOS: Site meters and this rate increase and the write down of the current meters.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So you have indicated that you are here because you want to assist --
MR. AMOS: Are you double-talking? That's exactly what I said. It's on the record. I'm here because I take offence to the deal with -- what is it, Siemens -- for 122 million and then the cost of installing these meters so that the ratepayers will have to pay more during certain times of the day when they use a dryer when Mr. Furey decides it's not proper.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. So
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
MR. AMOS: He forgets who owns NB Power. We do. You too. We are the ratepayers. As I said in the last hearing, you should protect your own interest, Mr. Gorman.
CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Amos, we are going to set aside the issue of whether or not you will be an intervenor to give you an opportunity to read that material. I understand that it would have been served electronically on all parties, at least that's the rule. Mr. Furey, can you --
MR. AMOS: I never saw it until this morning.
CHAIRMAN: Can you confirm that it would have been sent to an email address provided by Mr. Amos?
MR. FUREY: That's correct, Mr. Chair. It was sent yesterday morning to the distribution list in this proceeding including Mr. Amos' email that he had provided.
CHAIRMAN: Okay.
MR. AMOS: I need to remind Mr. Furey that he used to work for the Attorney General when I served NB Power in 2006. He and I spoke personally in 2005.
CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Amos, we are not going to hear that immediately. The documentation -- I think most of it is documentation that you previously filed, so I'm assuming that you are
MR. AMOS: He forgets who owns NB Power. We do. You too. We are the ratepayers. As I said in the last hearing, you should protect your own interest, Mr. Gorman.
CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Amos, we are going to set aside the issue of whether or not you will be an intervenor to give you an opportunity to read that material. I understand that it would have been served electronically on all parties, at least that's the rule. Mr. Furey, can you --
MR. AMOS: I never saw it until this morning.
CHAIRMAN: Can you confirm that it would have been sent to an email address provided by Mr. Amos?
MR. FUREY: That's correct, Mr. Chair. It was sent yesterday morning to the distribution list in this proceeding including Mr. Amos' email that he had provided.
CHAIRMAN: Okay.
MR. AMOS: I need to remind Mr. Furey that he used to work for the Attorney General when I served NB Power in 2006. He and I spoke personally in 2005.
CHAIRMAN: So, Mr. Amos, we are not going to hear that immediately. The documentation -- I think most of it is documentation that you previously filed, so I'm assuming that you are
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
MR. AMOS: I'm glad to argue every single word that I filed in 357.
CHAIRMAN: So I'm assuming that you are familiar with that. It's the --
MR. AMOS: I'm very familiar with every word that I filed.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, if I gave you 20 minutes to read that, is that enough time?
MR. AMOS: 20 minutes? Could you argue that document in 20 minutes? Let me take 20 minutes to study it but I don't know what you guys are talking about in the meantime I should pay attention to.
CHAIRMAN: So I think what we will do is we will set that aside for a moment and we will move on to scheduling and we will come back to that.
MR. AMOS: Because I want to pay attention to every word you are saying this morning.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, we are going to set this issue aside for now, then we are going to have a break and I'm going to give you an opportunity to have a look at it. But my point is that the vast majority of the material that was filed was material that came from you. So I assume you are familiar with that part of it.
MR. AMOS: I'm glad to argue every single word that I filed in 357.
CHAIRMAN: So I'm assuming that you are familiar with that. It's the --
MR. AMOS: I'm very familiar with every word that I filed.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, if I gave you 20 minutes to read that, is that enough time?
MR. AMOS: 20 minutes? Could you argue that document in 20 minutes? Let me take 20 minutes to study it but I don't know what you guys are talking about in the meantime I should pay attention to.
CHAIRMAN: So I think what we will do is we will set that aside for a moment and we will move on to scheduling and we will come back to that.
MR. AMOS: Because I want to pay attention to every word you are saying this morning.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, we are going to set this issue aside for now, then we are going to have a break and I'm going to give you an opportunity to have a look at it. But my point is that the vast majority of the material that was filed was material that came from you. So I assume you are familiar with that part of it.
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: MR. AMOS: Let me back up. When I first introduced myself on a pre-hearing for 357, I was opposing a former public intervenor wanting to get on the gravy train again. I explained myself when I introduced myself at that, that every lawyer in the room should know who I was, including you. I sent you emails where I sent you emails ten years ago. That said, I know who I am. I was there to oppose a former public intervenor wanting to get paid by his own assistant. I opposed that. I can speak on my behalf, Gerald can speak on his behalf, Roger can speak on his behalf. Why should anybody be paid?
After that I was invited by NB Power, Mr. Furey, to a secret meeting to discuss this. They wanted to pick my brains to see what my issues were. And we couldn't disclose what was said in the room.
I clearly stated what my issues were, conflict of interest by law firms. Good example. The people that filed this motion today, JDI, Stewart McKelvey, are also employed by NB Power to litigate to collect for Lepreau. That's conflict of interest. And then we have McInnes and Cooper and then we have and then we have and then we have.
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
MR. AMOS: So I asked all these questions in confidence. They said
it's a matter for the hearing. So then we go to have a hearing and you
cancel the hearing so I can't ask the questions. I said fine, we will
see you in another court. Then my friends asked me for my assistance
over this rate increase and site meters in particular and the rate
increase in general. I said fine, I will let you guys do the talking
and I will advise you because you are not familiar. Any time that I
decide to speak I will because I have a right to. But since you people
want to attack me, I'm all for it, but I need to study what you are up
to first.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
CHAIRMAN: Okay. Mr. Amos, I'm going to cut you off there. So on the request for intervenor status we are going to grant intervenor status to Enbridge Gas New Brunswick, Gerald Bourque, J.D. Irving, Limited, New Clear Free Solutions, Roger Richard, Sussex Sharing Club and Utilities Municipal were the PIs already indicated as deemed to be a party pursuant to Section 49.3 of the EUB Act. And, Mr. Amos, we will set aside your request to be an intervenor until we have dealt with other matters and we will come back to that a little bit later and I will give you an opportunity to review the material that you would not be familiar with.
MR. AMOS: I thank you for that.
CHAIRMAN: So before I get to the schedule, are there any other matters that need to be dealt with prior to schedule? Mr. Furey?
MR. FUREY: The only other issue -- we don't have to deal with it now, Mr. Chair -- is that we did file as well yesterday -- I filed later in the afternoon a draft proposed confidentiality undertaking for this proceeding, and the parties may not have had a full opportunity to review it, but I pointed out the only changes that have been made from that that was approved in Matter 336. And so if we were able to, before the end of the day, have an understanding as to whether parties accept that or if there is any objection to the changes that would be helpful.
CHAIRMAN: And that was circulated to all parties?
MR. FUREY: Yes, it was.
CHAIRMAN: Okay. Mr. Amos, I'm going to cut you off there. So on the request for intervenor status we are going to grant intervenor status to Enbridge Gas New Brunswick, Gerald Bourque, J.D. Irving, Limited, New Clear Free Solutions, Roger Richard, Sussex Sharing Club and Utilities Municipal were the PIs already indicated as deemed to be a party pursuant to Section 49.3 of the EUB Act. And, Mr. Amos, we will set aside your request to be an intervenor until we have dealt with other matters and we will come back to that a little bit later and I will give you an opportunity to review the material that you would not be familiar with.
MR. AMOS: I thank you for that.
CHAIRMAN: So before I get to the schedule, are there any other matters that need to be dealt with prior to schedule? Mr. Furey?
MR. FUREY: The only other issue -- we don't have to deal with it now, Mr. Chair -- is that we did file as well yesterday -- I filed later in the afternoon a draft proposed confidentiality undertaking for this proceeding, and the parties may not have had a full opportunity to review it, but I pointed out the only changes that have been made from that that was approved in Matter 336. And so if we were able to, before the end of the day, have an understanding as to whether parties accept that or if there is any objection to the changes that would be helpful.
CHAIRMAN: And that was circulated to all parties?
MR. FUREY: Yes, it was.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks its interesting tah tthe most important paragraph did not meet the muster N'esy Pas?
Ben Haroldson
Float me this one. Why would a bunch of high falootin self called businessboys, working for a power company, invest in a project that doesn't use any power?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: Methinks you should start at Siemens landing in Fat Fred City
then float down river to SANB territory following the money N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Go Figure
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, we are going to set this issue aside for now, then we are going to have a break and I'm going to give you an opportunity to have a look at it. But my point is that the vast majority of the material that was filed was material that came from you. So I assume you are familiar with that part of it.
MR. AMOS: Let me back up. When I first introduced myself on a pre-hearing for 357, I was opposing a former public intervenor wanting to get on the gravy train again. I explained myself when I introduced myself at that, that every lawyer in the room should know who I was, including you. I sent you emails where I sent you emails ten years ago. That said, I know who I am. I was there to oppose a former public intervenor wanting to get paid by his own assistant. I opposed that. I can speak on my behalf, Gerald can speak on his behalf, Roger can speak on his behalf. Why should anybody be paid?
After that I was invited by NB Power, Mr. Furey, to a secret meeting to discuss this. They wanted to pick my brains to see what my issues were. And we couldn't disclose what was said in the room.
I clearly stated what my issues were, conflict of interest by law firms. Good example. The people that filed this motion today, JDI, Stewart McKelvey, are also employed by NB Power to litigate to collect for Lepreau. That's conflict of interest. And then we have McInnes and Cooper and then we have and then we have and then we have
CHAIRMAN: Mr. Amos, we are going to set this issue aside for now, then we are going to have a break and I'm going to give you an opportunity to have a look at it. But my point is that the vast majority of the material that was filed was material that came from you. So I assume you are familiar with that part of it.
MR. AMOS: Let me back up. When I first introduced myself on a pre-hearing for 357, I was opposing a former public intervenor wanting to get on the gravy train again. I explained myself when I introduced myself at that, that every lawyer in the room should know who I was, including you. I sent you emails where I sent you emails ten years ago. That said, I know who I am. I was there to oppose a former public intervenor wanting to get paid by his own assistant. I opposed that. I can speak on my behalf, Gerald can speak on his behalf, Roger can speak on his behalf. Why should anybody be paid?
After that I was invited by NB Power, Mr. Furey, to a secret meeting to discuss this. They wanted to pick my brains to see what my issues were. And we couldn't disclose what was said in the room.
I clearly stated what my issues were, conflict of interest by law firms. Good example. The people that filed this motion today, JDI, Stewart McKelvey, are also employed by NB Power to litigate to collect for Lepreau. That's conflict of interest. And then we have McInnes and Cooper and then we have and then we have and then we have
David Amos
Methinks folks who vote should not ignore the obvious that is finally being revealed today More importantly the politicians should not have ignored the emails I sent them and many members of the media etc beginning on Valentines Day N'esy Pas?
Feb. 13: In the aftermath of the health-care reforms
The announcement that overnight emergency room services will be cut in six rural hospitals sparked protests and political strife. This week, MLAs from the four political parties discuss the pros and cons of the reforms and the government's approach to changing health-care in New Brunswick. Progressive Conservative Health Minister Ted Flemming, Liberal MLA J.C. D'Amours, Green MLA Megan Mitton and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin joined the podcast this week.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks folks should ask where is Vickers and Higgy and what do they
have to say to the PANB and the Green leaders today N'esy Pas?
NB: The Political Panel
The weekly online New Brunswick political panel, hosted by Terry Seguin.
Feb. 20: Is an election around the corner?
The Liberal Party is threatening to force an election at the earliest opportunity over the now-aborted controversial health-care reforms. But is committing to topple the government in the best interest of the province and what would it mean for the New Brunswick health-care system? Progressive Conservative Health Minister Ted Flemming, Liberal MLA Benoit Bourque, Green Leader David Coon and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin joined the podcast this week.
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NB: The Political Panel
The weekly online New Brunswick political panel, hosted by Terry Seguin.
Feb. 20: Is an election around the corner?
The Liberal Party is threatening to force an election at the earliest opportunity over the now-aborted controversial health-care reforms. But is committing to topple the government in the best interest of the province and what would it mean for the New Brunswick health-care system? Progressive Conservative Health Minister Ted Flemming, Liberal MLA Benoit Bourque, Green Leader David Coon and People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin joined the podcast this week.
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David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Go figure
NB: Information Morning (Fredericton)
Is an election coming?
New Brunswick's 3 opposition leaders talk about the reversal of healthcare reforms, and if it's justification to bring down the government.
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NB: Information Morning (Fredericton)
Is an election coming?
New Brunswick's 3 opposition leaders talk about the reversal of healthcare reforms, and if it's justification to bring down the government.
[mp3 file: runs 00:14:41]
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks many liberals heard me embarrass the all knowing PANB leader
last night on live TV in Fat Fred City N'esy Pas? Anyone can go to the Rogers TV YouTube channel I call in at the 33 minute mark of last night's talk show labeled as follows:
Kris Austin, People's Alliance - Voice of the Province - February 20, 2020
Please enjoy watching the PANB leader squirm until they cut me off and I had a chance address NB Power concerns
This is the subject line of one of the emails i sent before the dust settled on the YouTube record of the talkshow (BTW I already saved it in case it is edited as per Rogers' MO)
"YO Mr Higgs you and the Health Care CEOs should not deny that I just caught Krissy Baby Austin being a LIAR on Rogers TV and they cut me off TRUE or FALSE???"
Wayne Mac Arthur
Mr Higgs could regain some public confidence simply by putting a stop to the financial bleeding at NB Power.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac
Arthur: Methinks Higgy could save us borrowing 200 million loonies with
two strokes of his pen. All ehas to do is stop the "Not So Smart" Meter
Nonsense and cancel the 100 million deal with Quebec. He should not
deny that having our own people refurbish Mactaquac would certainly help
the local economy rather than giving money we don't have to Quebec
N'esy Pas?
Wayne Mac Arthur
I would like to see
their plans for eliminating or at least reducing the debt.All I can
manage to find is plans for more spending.Is it time to ask them to do
the jobs they are paid for ? Possibly all hope has been lost and the
corporation will just be allowed to carry on their merry way. Too many
people with too little real work are bound to find trouble. Will it
require an action by the people to bring resolution ? The polls may open
soon
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac
Arthur: Go to the EUB website and download documents from the 357 matter
that is where your stated concerns are being addressed.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Methinks the chances are slim to none of the polls opening soon when both the Greens and the PANB are supporting Higgy now N'esy Pas?
Albert Wade
Gaetan getting a going away present if a new house?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Albert Wade:
Methinks Gaetan may care more about the availablity of a hospital bed
if he suffers a stroke from knowing that folks read this N'esy Pas? CHAIRMAN:
Mr. Amos, we are going to set this issue aside for now, then we are
going to have a break and I'm going to give you an opportunity to have a
look at it. But my point is that the vast majority of the material
that was filed was material that came from you. So I assume you are
familiar with that part of it. MR. AMOS: Let me back up. When I first introduced myself on a pre-hearing for 357, I was opposing a former public intervenor wanting to get on the gravy train again. I explained myself when I introduced myself at that, that every lawyer in the room should know who I was, including you. I sent you emails where I sent you emails ten years ago. That said, I know who I am. I was there to oppose a former public intervenor wanting to get paid by his own assistant. I opposed that. I can speak on my behalf, Gerald can speak on his behalf, Roger can speak on his behalf. Why should anybody be paid?
After that I was invited by NB Power, Mr. Furey, to a secret meeting to discuss this. They wanted to pick my brains to see what my issues were. And we couldn't disclose what was said in the room.
I clearly stated what my issues were, conflict of interest by law firms. Good example. The people that filed this motion today, JDI, Stewart McKelvey, are also employed by NB Power to litigate to collect for Lepreau. That's conflict of interest. And then we have McInnes and Cooper and then we have and then we have and then we have.
David Amos
Reply to @Albert
Wade: Methinks its interesting that folks can slam him all they wish but
the awful truth about Mr Thomas and his doings are never revealed. It
must be like what Barrett said of old Norm Betts "he knows somebody who
knows somebody who knows somebody" No doubt thats Mr thomas he got his
big job in the first place N'esy Pas?
Paul Bourgoin
Now who in New Brunswick would not want clean energy?
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: Ask Higgy
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: Well, anyone with a vested interest in fossil fuels is against
clean, renewable energy. The Empire comes to mind. But more to the
point, people who are for clean energy do not want NB Power to subsidize
100 homes that only very wealthy people can afford. This in effect is
robbing the poor to give to the rich.
Fred Brewer
What's next? Selling groceries perhaps?
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Not funny
Joe Rootliek
I thought NB Powers mandate was to only to provide cost effective power to NB ers, to help industry and business set up with competitive power rates vs other provinces.
I guess I was wrong.
David Amos
Reply to @Joe
Rootliek: NOPE Methinks you are right and even the Irving Clan appears
to think NB Power is in the WRONG this time because they see no benefit
for them N'esy Pas?
Paul
Bourgoin
Reply to @Joe Rootliek: Depends on which side of the line you stand on, the collecting , Paying, or Profiting!
Wally E. Bamberger
Interesting. If this was a viable project one would have thought that a private developer would have done it without government or utility support and at a reasonable profit. No doubt NB Power needs to get back to basics, at least until it can stabilize/neutralize rate increases.
David Amos
Reply to @Wally E.
Bamberger: Methinks everybody knows creating and providing electrical
power ain't Rocket Science. However making the big big score of the
taxpayers is a fine art practiced by top dog business dudes, banksters,
lawyers, beancounters and their political cohorts N'esy Pas?
Kyle Woodman
Gated retirement community for retired NBP execs. Gaetan will be president of the homeowners association.
David Amos
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Close but no cigar
Methinks everybody but you knows that Halls Creek is next to SANB Central N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody but you knows that Halls Creek is next to SANB Central N'esy Pas?
Steve Cohen
that's a $76,300 subsidy by NBP on each house in return for "feedback on functionality and benefits" - pretty good payment for some feedback! What about the other 350,000 rate-payers?
David Amos
Reply to @Steve
Cohen: Methinks if we don't pay our bills the company we own pulls the
plug on us. There are not many companies that you have to pay months in
advance for their services before they will do business with you N'esy
Pas?
Roy Kirk
Have they selected the builder? If so, how? Competitive tender?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Who cares?
Paul Bourgoin
Would most likely be more environmentally friendly, cleaner then oil powered generators and would also be cleaner for our environment also could be cheaper then oil because the wind is free energy.
BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @Paul
Bourgoin: oh, wait , they said "solar" not "wind" did they not ? When
talking about "solar cells" and the environment world wide, it seems we
never hear much about mining the rare minerals or transporting them all
over the world . . . similarly lithium if used in batteries has its own
story about environmental hazards.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Re Your teasing of Roger and me with the great old tune "Poor, poor, pitiful me" Methinks there is no need for you to pity us.
Mon ami Roger is in fact a proud Acadian who happened to introduce me to a great cover of a Anglo song. As we spoke tonight of the clown Puddles and his Pity Party Roger and me were thinking of Deschamps and his not so funny "Speculator buddy. Perhaps others may enjoy the tune too N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevvbFNKiY
David Amos
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Interesting that i can't respond to you EH?
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin: wind energy is free? then why does it cost more per kw than natural gas energy?
Paul Bourgoin
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Probably Because the study was operated by the people from natural gas energy! Who can one trust or believe!
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you already know the answer to your own question N'esy Pas?
Claude DeRoche
What is Higgs smokin?
David Amos
Reply to @Claude DeRoche: Methinks there is definitely too much fluoride in the water Higgy is drinking N'esy Pas?
Thomas Wayne
This is electrifying and I think we are going to get zapped!
David Amos
Reply to @Thomas
Wayne: Methinks we have been zapped so many times that we no longer care
I bet Higgy and his Siemens buddies whoe are the same dudes his old
boss Alward and his pal the Peanut Butter Man from Sussex made the "Not
So Smart' Meter deal with many years ago are banking on the fact that
apathy will continue to rule the day and we will waste a 100 million
loonies of money we will have to borrow on such nonsense rather than
spend a few million properly auditing NB Power in order to get to the
bottom of of the Crwon Corp.
The fact that the Greens and the PANB now support Higgy after he hauled in his horns over emergency room it appears we will go on dealing with a minority government we do not deserve because most of us did not vote for Higgy and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
The fact that the Greens and the PANB now support Higgy after he hauled in his horns over emergency room it appears we will go on dealing with a minority government we do not deserve because most of us did not vote for Higgy and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
Chuck Michaels
Time for some SERIOUS housecleaning at Energie NB Power....
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck Michaels: Methinks its High Time a deep audit at the very least N'esy Pas?
Stanley Beemish
Would someone please
fire Gaetan Thomas now please. He’s been incompetent and on the gravy
train ever since and during university days.
David Amos
Reply to @Stanley
Beemish: Methinks everybody but you knows Gaetan Thomas is about to
scoot out the backdoor with a golden handshake But now you know N'esy
Pas?
John Valcourt
NBPower doesn't plan for anything as you can see by the way they constantly ask for power rate increases. They flip a coin and then react without any research or planning of any kind it appears. That is why they are in the state they are currently in.
David Amos
Reply to @John
Valcourt: Methinks they are constantly planning how to get more money
from us in order to spend it with their friends N'esy Pas?
CeeJay Shaw
"Customers will experience the insertion....
'nuff said
David Amos
Reply to @CeeJay Shaw: YUP
Murray Brown
At NB Power financial details are 'scarce' and cash flows like water from a spigot down a drain.. It's time to freeze NB Power's spending sprees. No more cash for 'any' purpose other than providing power to it's customers. No more 'investment' schemes, no more electric cars, no more multi-million dollar charging stations used by a handful of customers, no solar panel neighborhoods.... Their gravy train needs to be taken off the tracks.
debi mcdonald
Reply to @Murray
Brown: So true there appears to be a regime of who can think up
something instead of focusing on the purpose of NB Power. Meeting
customers demands, maintaining what there is. Time to put the brakes on
all the high flyers within this outfit. Enough.
David Amos
Reply to @Murray Brown: Obviously I wholeheartedly agree
Wayne Mac Arthur
NB power in the construction business? Who is supplying the cash ? How is this allowed ? WHY ? A company that does not understand that contracts must be signed to be valid,that you can't get more energy out than you put in,that the perpetual motion machine is a myth,except for the spending going on at NB Power.
David Amos
Reply to @Wayne Mac Arthur: Methinks those were rhetorical questions N'esy Pas?
Diane Bellefleur
Millions of $$$ given to a company in Florida with no results, now millions to build houses with solar panels at the expenses of our taxes money. And we turn around and increase our electricity bills.... I say, if you are rich enough to build yourself a brand new house with solar panels, you don't need the money from the hard working people in this province to pay for it. Time to get rid of Mr. Gaetan who gets $575,000/year and put someone in charge that can make some good decision and respect the low income family in their decision making.
Bob Smith
Reply to @Diane
Bellefleur: Gaetan is retiring in a few months. I doubt anything the
public says at this point bothers him in the slightest sadly.
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Smith: Oh So True
Lou Bell
7.6 million OF OUR MONEY on 100 familiea !! And what does the other 750,000 people of NB get out of it ?????? If most of us want the 109,000 , then I think we should also qualify ! Give me 90,000 and I'm in tomorrow !!!!!!!!!!!!! And I don't need that lamp Gaetan is holding and rubbing frantically , still waiting for Alladdin to appear !!!
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Lou Bell: Then tell your friend the elusive Higgs Boson to do something about it. Ins't he the Premier ?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks whereas you lament of his ilk so much my favourite
clown Puddles should have a Pity Party in your honour N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Deschamps should call you his Queen B N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: I am certain Puddles the sad clown would not mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmCJEehYtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmCJEehYtU
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: The teasing of Roger and me with the talk of great old tune "Poor, poor, pitiful me"
Methinks there is no need for any you strange people to pity us.
Mon ami Roger is in fact a proud Acadian who happened to introduce me to a great cover of a Anglo song. As we spoke tonight of the clown Puddles and his Pity Party Roger and me were thinking of Deschamps and his not so funny "Speculator buddy. Perhaps others may enjoy the tune too N'esy Pas?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevvbFNKiY
Roger Richard
Reply to @David Amos: Sometimes, looking at our world, I feel that song is so right.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: Me Too
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I find the guy with the crown has a striking ressemblance to you.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Everybody knows ad hominem attacks are a specialty of the SANB
Methinks the very bald Puddles quite likely looks just like the little dude you are, I bet you are the size of the lovely lady he is singing with. Clearly you wish to pretend that you have never watched my political debates in your neighbourhood. However you forgot that you bragged of doing so and made fun of my hair and beard several times. However anyone can simply Google "Fundy Royal Debate" in order to verify just how desperate you truly have become N'esy Pas?
Methinks the very bald Puddles quite likely looks just like the little dude you are, I bet you are the size of the lovely lady he is singing with. Clearly you wish to pretend that you have never watched my political debates in your neighbourhood. However you forgot that you bragged of doing so and made fun of my hair and beard several times. However anyone can simply Google "Fundy Royal Debate" in order to verify just how desperate you truly have become N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: making fun of little people now!
David Amos
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Suck it up buttercup
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Or if the shoe fits
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: or does the truth hurt?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Tell it to the little people.
David Amos
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Tell it to the little people.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks Puddles should have Pity Party in your honour
because obviously I am getting desperate replies from the Queen B of the
little people N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Hmmm
! Shediac and Moncton eh ? Sure smells of patronage by NB Powers
outgoing leader ! I think it should be looked into as to who all was
involved in this deal !!! Betrter pull in Melanson et al and get some
answers !! Another of NB Powers failed LEADERLESS decisions !!!!
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks you should ask you hero MiKey Holland our fellow New
Brunswickers must trust that he knows everything N'esy Pas?
Roland Stewart
Somebody is looking at a way to pick up a bit of extra cash.
David Amos
Reply to @Roland Stewart: Methinks thats not chump change
Albert Wade
Why
doesn't NB Power fix it's existing out of date solar power policy. Why
not give 1200 existing homes $10k each to get in the solar game.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Albert Wade: or better yet let those homeowners pay for their own systems.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Albert Wade:
I watched a snobby wealthy farmer from Sussex lament about solar power
policy at an EUB hearing in Fat Fred City last year. John Herron who
used to represent him sat there looking like a deer who got caught in
the headlights after I had stepped up and said good day then prceeded
to tell them all off. Nobody can deny that I ran against Herron in 2004
and that there is a HUGE conflict of interest between me and the
Commissioners Jacky Boy Keir picked to oversee our interests N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Albert Wade: Methinks NB Power and Mikey Holland can never deny that I tried to tell you something N'esy Pas?
BruceJack Speculator
When trying to promote "solar energy" why is there never any news about direct heating of water with solar panels? I believe the solar electric panels get maybe 10 to 15% of the incoming energy. Just heating water directly gets a much bigger percentage, no expensive electric devices, controls, batteries maybe even use just gravity to move the hot water. Panels can be home-made with copper tubing, probably a metal frame and backing, some black paint and a cover probably glass. Some information on Natural Resources Canada site about commercial units. If hundreds of people could stop using electricity to heat hot water, what would that impact be and at what cost? I read a study done in maybe 1970s or early 1980s where a home built system was heating a house this way even on a cloudy day in winter. For that type of system, you would need more panels and some storage besides your water tank of course.
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Maybe the problem, from NB Power viewpoint, would be this works and has been proven so no chance to spend millions and get nothing ?
Samual Johnston
Reply to @BruceJack
Speculator: need to have a drain back system in our climate as water
freezes. Too unreliable. Some benefits can be obtained with a system
to preheat water but again glycol systems are more suited to our
location.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Why to respond to a dude with no name yet ignore me?
Helen Gorne
"When LED Christmas lights were introduced, I plugged all of them into my neighbor,s outlet so he could save the money from having LED's...." An extract from NB Power's "Book of Logic"
David Amos
Reply to @Helen Gorne: Well put
Jeff LeBlanc
What the serious eff?
David Amos
Reply to @Jeff LeBlanc: Try again
ROB CLARK
NB Power Cook Book
Take a generous amount of money.
Devise an obscure and anomalous method to spend it.
Make extraordinary claims of savings/profits.
Watch embarrassing losses pile up.
Sprinkle goodly bits of spin throughout.
Enjoy.
We make this often at our place , a wonderful dish to serve at the annual bonus banquet.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @ROB CLARK:
Methinks that is not secret recipe Many geese who lay the golden eggs
are cooked worldwide and the dish often served with them N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @ROB CLARK: Oh My MY Methinks somebody does not like my agreeing with you and we all know why N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Of course "details are scarce" this is NB Power.
Wouldn't want to upset a "sketchy" track record, now would we?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nope Methinks it would ruin the Circus N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
I'd really like to know how Mr Higgs can let this go on, and on, and on, and stand before us with a straight face, expecting us to vote for him?
Talk about "laughing up his sleeve"?
Makes you wonder though, NB Power wanting rate increases of 2% a quarter, yet can't see his way into giving cost of living increases to government employees?
I'd really like to know how Mr Higgs can let this go on, and on, and on, and stand before us with a straight face, expecting us to vote for him?
Talk about "laughing up his sleeve"?
Makes you wonder though, NB Power wanting rate increases of 2% a quarter, yet can't see his way into giving cost of living increases to government employees?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Higgy is just following orders like the rest of the clowns in the circus
Andrew Clarkson
"Details scarce on NB Power plan...." Appears to be more than details scarce over at NB Power!
David Amos
Reply to @Andrew Clarkson: YUP
SarahRose Werner
NB Power would do better to develop green energy sources that will make power available to *all* of its customer province-wide at reasonable rates rather than focusing on a housing complex that only the well-off will be able to afford.
Mike Bookman
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: We have wind power powering our home (Kent Hills). We also have
an EV and a woodstove. We are not rich, we plan and save. My electricity
bill this winter is about $160/month (with the EV). The only the"well
-off" BS is tiring after a while.
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Mike
Bookman: I wasn't talking about your house. I was talking about these
houses: "Single-family homes in Moncton's Halls Creek area are assessed
and/or have recently sold for between $250,000 and $400,000."
David Amos
Reply to @Mike Bookman: Methinks its way past High Time for lots of folks to get tired of all the BS N'esy Pas?
Stephen Robertson
As reported here on this website, Minister Holland gave NB Power a mandate to reduce debt period. The Nb Power board is not following that. Time for accountability at the board of this PUBLIC utility.
David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson: I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
Samual Johnston
That will allow houses not just to run efficiently on their own but to share each other's generation and power storage capabilities
Can you imagine having to explain to old Mr. Crocket why you left your lights on all night wasting his power.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
Mr Crocket won't care as he was credited for his excess electricity when it flowed out of his house onto the grid.
Mr Crocket won't care as he was credited for his excess electricity when it flowed out of his house onto the grid.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: oh he'll care - he is a nosey neighbour who thinks he is going
to save the world and you are assuming he was credited in this new
subdivision
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you are the fictional Mr Crocket N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks some folks
should realize that the hearing has been over for a week and no one peep
about what my friend Roger Richard said yet. At least some the words of
the Irving's lawyer are revealed to stir the pot in order to upset
Higgy and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
BruceJack Speculator
Reply: great song by Linda Ronstadt, also covered by many others . . . "Poor, poor, pitiful me"
David Amos
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Why is it I don't feel bad for you?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: you pick fights with everybody. What else is new?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: You have a friend? With friends like you, who needs ennemies ?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Like you The "Speculator" picked the fight not I However once
I am attacked I NEVER back up and like a dog with a bone I just won't
let go nor will I take prisoners just like a lot of my Forefather never
did. Methinks it must be me mean Scottish genes that cause me to find
whimpy SANB liberals who do not even have the sand to present their true
names to be oh so contemptible N'esy Pas?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: You're so amazing, a legend in your own mind! Are you related to The Donald?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: At least I am for real What are you?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @BruceJack
Speculator: Methinks there is no need for you to pity mon ami Roger and
me He is in fact a proud Acadian who introduced me to this Anglo song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevvbFNKiY
As I listen the cool clown Puddles and his Pitty Party I am reminded of Deschamps and his a not so funny "Speculator buddy Perhaps others may enjoy it too N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: for real!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: No such person in New Brunswick has that name and no many
ladies love hockey as much as you do, I bet you are just an old dude
who is retired liberal card carrying professor from Quebec who got lucky
years ago and scored a job at the Moncton University thanks to the SANB
N'esy Pas?
David White
Another act of sheer desperation of NB Power, A chronically mismanaged company can not even focus on its primary purpose.
David Amos
Reply to @David White: YUP
Samual Johnston
Each house is to be outfitted with solar panels, storage batteries, electric vehicle chargers and various "smart" products, including thermostats, meters and water heaters — largely installed at NB Power's expense.
largely installed at the tax payers expense is a more accurate way of putting it
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: YUP
Roy Nicholl
"That will allow houses not just to run efficiently on their own but to share each other's generation and power storage capabilities and make the neighbourhood mostly energy self sufficient."
We made a similar pitch to the utility companies (NBPower and SJ Energy), only at a policy level rather than a technological one. We wanted to install solar arrays on select buildings which had the necessary roof space and exposure and meter back the excess to the utility - NBPower was fine with that portion (until the account for the building reached zero ... after that we were to simply give them the electricity). However, we proposed pooling all of our properties together and using the generation to offset the consumption at other locations - that idea was rejected.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Methinks the obvious question should be as follows N'esy Pas?
Who is WE???
Who is WE???
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @David Amos:
We is our business.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Not when you are asking for public money to help you.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @David Amos:
I am uncertain how you arrived at that conclusion, our business has never asked for any public money.
I am uncertain how you arrived at that conclusion, our business has never asked for any public money.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: You forgot to ask me if I cared
Roy Nicholl
Louer
Louer Ltd / ltée is focussed on providing healthy, energy efficient
buildings in the Maritime Provinces (New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince
Edward Island) of Canada.
Launched as an holding company for real estate investments, it was quickly learned that most of Canada's existing building stock is dreadfully energy inefficient by any modern measurement. Unfortunately, a significant portion of new construction remains almost as inefficient.
Louer Louer Ltd. has since made it our mission to retrofit energy efficiency measures and "smart building" systems into existing building stock; starting with our own properties. We have set ambitious, yet achievable, target of a 50% reduction in energy use across our existing portfolio and are well along the path to its fruition.
Through the research, education and experience accumulated while improving our own properties we have developed knowledge and expertise that we now offer to other property owners and developers.
Launched as an holding company for real estate investments, it was quickly learned that most of Canada's existing building stock is dreadfully energy inefficient by any modern measurement. Unfortunately, a significant portion of new construction remains almost as inefficient.
Louer Louer Ltd. has since made it our mission to retrofit energy efficiency measures and "smart building" systems into existing building stock; starting with our own properties. We have set ambitious, yet achievable, target of a 50% reduction in energy use across our existing portfolio and are well along the path to its fruition.
Through the research, education and experience accumulated while improving our own properties we have developed knowledge and expertise that we now offer to other property owners and developers.
Louer Louer ltée
Real estate rental agency
Samual Johnston
If a solar powered subdivision make any sort of economic sense a private developer will do it.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
If the utility would purchase power - rather than the near meaningless per-site net metering presently practiced - then contractors could entertain adding photovoltaic to construction and retrofit projects.
If the utility would purchase power - rather than the near meaningless per-site net metering presently practiced - then contractors could entertain adding photovoltaic to construction and retrofit projects.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: I'd like to see the math on that - if it worked out then I
agree purchase the power at market value - not some inflated green
subsidy rate they use on other projects.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
We had plans to install arrays on select buildings, but it was not worth entertaining unless generation was at a level that greatly exceeded the buildings needs ... and we would be paid for the excess (we were looking to apply it to offset the consumption of other properties).
We had plans to install arrays on select buildings, but it was not worth entertaining unless generation was at a level that greatly exceeded the buildings needs ... and we would be paid for the excess (we were looking to apply it to offset the consumption of other properties).
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: it would be hard to make any profit form solar in NB with our
low rates. Not if you are paid market value which is all anyone should
be paid. And then when you start to factor in the costs involved and
the maintenance for the roof over time and replacing panels. I
believe we are in the wrong location to make a go of it at this time.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
Our business plan was based on offsetting our total consumption, with generation at only select locations and excess to be sold back to the utility. All modelling as done using supply rates. The goal was not to make profit, so much as to offset our electricity costs (i.e net zero across the portfolio ... from a financial perspective)
The impact on roof maintenance (flat roofs) would be negligible.
Our business plan was based on offsetting our total consumption, with generation at only select locations and excess to be sold back to the utility. All modelling as done using supply rates. The goal was not to make profit, so much as to offset our electricity costs (i.e net zero across the portfolio ... from a financial perspective)
The impact on roof maintenance (flat roofs) would be negligible.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: interesting although I would look at the roof issue
again....even a flat roof. The issue is not when the system is
installed it is when the roof needs to be repaired or worse replaced -
the added cost of removing the system and reinstalling would be
substantial and when factoring in the 15-25 year life span of a panel
you have to expect work to be done to the roof.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
This is far from our first rodeo.
With the frame system we were considering, the impact of re-roofing (25 - 40 years down the road) with the array frames in-place is no different that any other projection on the roof deck. There is no need to remove and re-install. If more clearance is required under the panel bottoms, they can be tilted (and reset afterwards) or the panel simply removed from the frame (without changing the exposure).
If you were to install a flush mount frame system (as you would on a pitched roof), then yes the panels, and possible the frame, would need to be removed.
This is far from our first rodeo.
With the frame system we were considering, the impact of re-roofing (25 - 40 years down the road) with the array frames in-place is no different that any other projection on the roof deck. There is no need to remove and re-install. If more clearance is required under the panel bottoms, they can be tilted (and reset afterwards) or the panel simply removed from the frame (without changing the exposure).
If you were to install a flush mount frame system (as you would on a pitched roof), then yes the panels, and possible the frame, would need to be removed.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
Your statement about the expense of "removing the system an reinstalling" inspired me to dig out the files from our planned project.
As stated above, removal of the racking system for roof maintenance was not required (as per the solar contractor). Our roofer agreed that it the roof could be replaced with the racking in-place (panels removed for their safety), but it would take more effort.
An alternate racking system that was being considered at the time would have had to be removed for re-roofing. The quotes for removing and re-installing the racking and panels (the remainder of the system would be unaffected) during a roof replacement amounted to less than 10% of the re-foofing costs.
Your statement about the expense of "removing the system an reinstalling" inspired me to dig out the files from our planned project.
As stated above, removal of the racking system for roof maintenance was not required (as per the solar contractor). Our roofer agreed that it the roof could be replaced with the racking in-place (panels removed for their safety), but it would take more effort.
An alternate racking system that was being considered at the time would have had to be removed for re-roofing. The quotes for removing and re-installing the racking and panels (the remainder of the system would be unaffected) during a roof replacement amounted to less than 10% of the re-foofing costs.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: BINGO
David Amos
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Methinks all the lawyers working for GNB and NB Power etc know
that this is definitely not my first rodeo either That is why they go
tosuch great lengths to try deny that my concerns about their severe
lack of ethics exist N'esy Pas?
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: it would be an interesting experiment to see how it worked and what the actual vs estimated cost would be.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: re-roofing 25-40 years down the road assumes a new roof is
installed as part of the project? also assumes everything goes
perfectly for 25-40 years and there is no leaks.....again interesting to
see--- like wind turbines - when the blades need to be replaced the
cost of doin it and the waste it generates is massive ---- these huge
blades ending up at landfills - just saying there is a lot the "green
movement" does not consider or communicate when promoting their agenda.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Samual Johnston:
At the time, the installation would have occurred in conjunction with a new roof as the current roof was over 30yrs old an, while still serviceable, it would make more sense to replace it early prior to installing the panels.
There is no assumption that everything goes perfectly, we have several roofs that are older than 25 years and in fine shape. Occasionally there is an early failure that needs to be repaired. It's all part of doing business and you plan accordingly.
There is no "green agenda" here. Yes, we are strong proponents of incorporating energy efficiency measures into any retrofit/renovation, because it makes business sense. Similarly, our interests in adding photovoltaic panels to buildings was motivated by reduction in operating costs and an enhanced value offering to our clients. When the conditions necessary to make the business case succeed could not be secured, the project was shelved.
At the time, the installation would have occurred in conjunction with a new roof as the current roof was over 30yrs old an, while still serviceable, it would make more sense to replace it early prior to installing the panels.
There is no assumption that everything goes perfectly, we have several roofs that are older than 25 years and in fine shape. Occasionally there is an early failure that needs to be repaired. It's all part of doing business and you plan accordingly.
There is no "green agenda" here. Yes, we are strong proponents of incorporating energy efficiency measures into any retrofit/renovation, because it makes business sense. Similarly, our interests in adding photovoltaic panels to buildings was motivated by reduction in operating costs and an enhanced value offering to our clients. When the conditions necessary to make the business case succeed could not be secured, the project was shelved.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Methinks you and you strange buddy Roy can certainly go on and on and on about your concerns about wind and solar while ignoring what is truly important about the questionable doings with our money within NB Power N'esy Pas?
Samual Johnston
I think I'll take a page from Gauvin's book on this one and vote no even before seeing all the details.
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: I concur
Roger Williams
The total bill for my
all electric home was $1503 last year. The interest on the proposed
$109,000 per house would pay my entire power bill, and then some spare
to cover increases.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Roger Williams:
That's not a bad total , if your heating/cooling fuel is electric.
We could, and should, be building new homes to an efficiency level where your total annual energy costs are in the $400 - $800 range.
If this 10.9 million were applied towards assisting with energy efficiency retrofits older buildings it would have a bigger impact on our energy consumption as a province.
That's not a bad total , if your heating/cooling fuel is electric.
We could, and should, be building new homes to an efficiency level where your total annual energy costs are in the $400 - $800 range.
If this 10.9 million were applied towards assisting with energy efficiency retrofits older buildings it would have a bigger impact on our energy consumption as a province.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Absolutely correct. Heat pumps and better doors, windows and insulation is the best bang for the buck.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
Better envelope design and construction techniques have the best payback in new builds. Insulation, air sealing and fenestration choices are part of that.
In retrofits, its usually not cost effective to eliminate all thermal bridging of conventional residential construction - though you can mitigate them to various degrees. In those instances Insulation, air sealing, followed by fenestration and HVAC have your best returns.
If the building is constructed sufficiently efficient (15kWh/m^2 per year), then a conventional heating system is not needed (though may still be required by "code")
Better envelope design and construction techniques have the best payback in new builds. Insulation, air sealing and fenestration choices are part of that.
In retrofits, its usually not cost effective to eliminate all thermal bridging of conventional residential construction - though you can mitigate them to various degrees. In those instances Insulation, air sealing, followed by fenestration and HVAC have your best returns.
If the building is constructed sufficiently efficient (15kWh/m^2 per year), then a conventional heating system is not needed (though may still be required by "code")
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: I have asked our government why our building codes have not
been updated to employ common sense levels of insulation, envelope
tightness etc.
All I get is crickets chirping.
All I get is crickets chirping.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
Which is better than the red-in-the-face bluster that I hear sometimes.
Which is better than the red-in-the-face bluster that I hear sometimes.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Methinks you say that so easily FYI Mr Williams' power bill
equals what most old folks such as I live off of each month Hence to us
that is not chump change particularly when our assets are being
squandered as our power bills climb higher for the benefit of nobody I
know but perhaps you do N'esy Pas?
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @David Amos:
It appears you missed the substance of the thread. Mr. William's annual electrical costs of ~$1500.00, if his home is heated by electricity, is far better than the average NB house (even new ones). That said, it is possible to construct houses whose annual energy costs would be half that amount (or less) with a marginal incremental construction cost (8-12%).
It appears you missed the substance of the thread. Mr. William's annual electrical costs of ~$1500.00, if his home is heated by electricity, is far better than the average NB house (even new ones). That said, it is possible to construct houses whose annual energy costs would be half that amount (or less) with a marginal incremental construction cost (8-12%).
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Trust that I don't care what you think I don't understand but I
will do my best to figure out who "WE" are and what your game is
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Methinks "We" just talked N'esy Pas? Now feel free to waddle on
down to Federal Court in Fat Fred City in order to pull File No
T-1557-15 and study it before you make any more fun of my concerns with
NB Power
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @David Amos:
There is no game or conspiracy here for you ... sorry to disappoint.
My "game" is educating and demonstrating to folks that we ("we" being New Brunswicker citizens in this case) can cost effectively be constructing far more energy efficient buildings than presently occurs.
Your beef with NBPower or any other agency is your business.
There is no game or conspiracy here for you ... sorry to disappoint.
My "game" is educating and demonstrating to folks that we ("we" being New Brunswicker citizens in this case) can cost effectively be constructing far more energy efficient buildings than presently occurs.
Your beef with NBPower or any other agency is your business.
David Amos
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Who owns NB Power and who pays for their lawyers that are
libeling me? Whom do I sue? Methinks its "WE" the members of Trudeau's
beloved peoplekind who have been making fun of me since 2002 N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Methinks its too bad so sad that you did not get to read my important reply to you N'esy Pas?
Stephen Robertson
Another flyer on our dime. Nb Power does not seem to understand that its responsibility is to generate and distribute electricity and maintain transmission lines. Nothing else. Stop playing Elon Musk with my money.
David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson: I agree
Ophelius Standout
So our public utility is a home builder now? This is a perfect example of why nothing is working in our economy and society anymore!
David Amos
Reply to @Ophelius Standout: I concur
Roger Thompson
So once again we hear about NB Power going off on some tangent. Has anyone in government actually described what NB Power's job is! because it really seems like nobody managing the operation has a clue. $10 Million of tax payers/rate payers money going into an operation NOT in the mandate for the operation.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Thompson: Of course but I suspect you know the score as well as I
Fred Brewer
Once again NB Power steps way outside of its mandate to provide cheap, RELIABLE power to New Brunswickers. This project has NOTHING to do with the mandate. Mr. Higgs, when will you reign in the kid in the candystore spending spree that NB Power management is constantly on?
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Fred Brewer: agreed - focus on cheap safe power and the system to deliver it.
David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Surprise Surprise Surprise
David Amos
Reply to @Samual Johnston: Good luck with anyone in GNB listening to you
Roy Nicholl
Rather than spending 10+ million on a sojourn into residential construction, why wouldn't NBPower make an effort to update their practices towards small power generation? Their present practices around reverse metering are a formidable disincentive to those looking to incorporate small scale generation into new building designs and retrofit of existing stock.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: You think you can build 100 solar powered net 0 homes for 10M?
I'd say multiply that by a factor of 20 or 30 by the time the site
infrastructure, and graft is paid for.
Fred
Brewer
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: If a good contractor was hired, it could be done for $10M but
if NB Power is involved it will cost $100M
Ben
Haroldson
Reply to @Fred
Brewer: $100 per unit? You can't build a tiny house for that, plus the
roads, sewer and all that has to be done.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
According to the above article and NBPower, their forecast involvement in the project is 10.9Million and does not indicate that is the full cost of each house.
Building homes to Passivhaus standards adds 8-12% incremental costs over the minimum code stock commonly being built with a 70+% performance improvement. Once you have a building of that efficiency, it would take a very small photovoltaic installation to achieve the Net Zero designation (though it probably would not be a cost-effective addition).
Installing a microgrid / neighbourhood-level generation at a subdivision level is another approach to distributed power generation.
According to the above article and NBPower, their forecast involvement in the project is 10.9Million and does not indicate that is the full cost of each house.
Building homes to Passivhaus standards adds 8-12% incremental costs over the minimum code stock commonly being built with a 70+% performance improvement. Once you have a building of that efficiency, it would take a very small photovoltaic installation to achieve the Net Zero designation (though it probably would not be a cost-effective addition).
Installing a microgrid / neighbourhood-level generation at a subdivision level is another approach to distributed power generation.
Roy
Nicholl
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
That would be $100K per unit (100,000 x 100 = 10,000,000). Depending on what the other parties are contributing, that is a significant portion of the costs. The question is does that include all the electrical infrastructure costs for the subdivision in addition to the photovoltaic arrays and battery storage.
That would be $100K per unit (100,000 x 100 = 10,000,000). Depending on what the other parties are contributing, that is a significant portion of the costs. The question is does that include all the electrical infrastructure costs for the subdivision in addition to the photovoltaic arrays and battery storage.
Fred
Brewer
Reply to @Ben
Haroldson: M stands for million. My estimate is that it will cost NB
Power $100,000,000 for its 25% share of the costs of building 100 homes.
That works out to one million per home. Of course I am exaggerating a
bit, but can you name a single, major project that NB Power has
undertaken that has not gone over budget by a factor or 2, 3 or 4?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy
Nicholl: Methinks folks need to understand that Higgy or his Minister
Mikey Holland could stop this nonsense with a stroke of the pen just
like when Bernie Lord ignored the finding of the PUB, fired them and
decided to refurbish Lepreau all by himself as if he were a King N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Roy Nicholl: Methinks the crickets are speaking much more effectively than you dudes are today N'esy Pas?
Dotty Gaudet
Sounds like this may be like the electric cars with middle class not able to afford them. Thought Gov of NB and EUB put a stop to all this non-NBPower programs.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Dotty Gaudet: I would imagine the owners have already been decided, if the scam is allowed to proceed
David Amos
Reply to @Dotty
Gaudet: Methinks its hard to stop the Gravy Train in New Brunswick when
its brake lines are cut and the rails are greased on a daily basis by
minions working for billionaires N'esy Pas?
Alison Jackson
Great idea. Solar energy and other alternatives are badly needed. Kudos to them for trying to make a positive difference.
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Alison
Jackson: Don't worry, they give themselves all kinds of kudos in the
form of self administered bonuses, usually for accomplishing nothing.
Roy Nicholl
Reply to @Alison Jackson:
NBPower's policies towards reverse metering have been a disincentive for the incorporation of site generation into building retrofits and new construction.
NBPower's policies towards reverse metering have been a disincentive for the incorporation of site generation into building retrofits and new construction.
Justin
Time
Reply to @Alison Jackson: They may be needed but not on the rate payers dime.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Alison Jackson: bad idea....if it makes economic sense to do it a private contractor will do it
Mike Bookman
Reply to @Justin
Time: That taxpayer you are talking about...is he OK with the billions
of his $$ going to Energy companies in the form of corporate welfare?
Justin Time
Reply to @Mike Bookman: Definetly not. Whats your point?
David Amos
Reply to @Justin Time
@Mike Bookman: Methinks everybody knows that I am not and have proved
it many times since 2002. That is my point. Everybody knows I backed up
my words in public media byway of lawsuits, running for publicoffice 7
times and intervening in public hearings before the ERRE, the EUB and
NEB etc while legions of people laughed at my efforts N'esy Pas?
Justin Time
"In 2014, an attempt to develop what was called Halls Creek Village — an ecologically friendly 600-unit housing community in the same part of Moncton — went bankrupt after only a few houses were constructed. "
STOP THIS NOW!!!!!!! This is not part of NB Power's mandate, not even close. This utility is totally out of control. Is this another grand scheme initiated by Mr. Thomas? And who will the beneficiaries be. Siemens Canada Ltd. and their smart meter technology would seem to be one. Guess the hearings on smart meters were just another waste of rate payer dollars,the decision was already made. And I'm sure there would be no politics involved in the construction and sale of these rate payer sponsored houses. Right!!!
Alison
Jackson
Reply to @Justin Time: Relax buddy, you're going to have a stroke.
David Amos
Reply to @Alison
Jackson: Methinks many would agree if you knew the truth about this
malicious nonsense it is you who may have a stroke N'esy Pas? Reply to @Alison Jackson: Somebody's getting stroked here but its not me.
Ben Haroldson
Since when have the lampshade boys had the mandate to be in the real estate development business?Time for Higgs to get involved with straightening this crew out, or sell it , or do something. Never seen such an out of control bunch of dreamers, not much wonder they are so far in debt. Haven't heard a word out of Higgs , this deserves as much attention as health and education.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Methinks the lampshade boys have had that mandate since the 12th of NEVER N'esy Pas?
Colin
Seeley
This is outrageous.
Nothing wrong with solar and wind and getting power from Green.
But not when you have no money to pay the bills.
This smells like Atcon
Nothing wrong with solar and wind and getting power from Green.
But not when you have no money to pay the bills.
This smells like Atcon
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @Colin
Seeley: And who are going to be the privileged few to get the houses?
Bet it's all ready decided. Any nbower employees among them?
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I hear the CEO is retiring. He will need someplace nice.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Colin
Seeley: agreed nothing wrong with private citizens using their money to
hire private contractors to do this. Just keep the taxpayers dollars
out of it.
David Amos
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Cry me a river
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Subject: Methinks Minister Mikey Holland should say something about 200 million loonies
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Details scarce on NB Power plan to begin building solar-powered
neighborhood this year
Utility to spend millions on 100 solar-powered house in Halls Creek
area of Moncton
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Feb 19, 2020 5:00 AM AT
3 Comments
David Amos
Methinks folks must have heard enough about NB Power and Siemens and
their "Not So Smart" Meter plans to figure out their wicked games with
our money by now N'esy Pas?
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks Minister Mikey Holland should pay
more attention to whats going with NB Power within the EUB and the CBC
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To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
[le français suit]
I'm out of the office Wednesday and Thursday this week, testifying at
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Expert says true smart meter value won't emerge until after they're approved
Day three of rate hearings concluded Wednesday
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Jan 15, 2020 10:04 PM AT |
A three person panel from the Energy and Utilities Board headed by
Vice Chairman Francois Beaulieu is hearing NB Power's second
application to acquire smart meters. The first application was
rejected two years ago for not being cost effective. (Graham
Thompson/CBC)
NB Power's application to buy and deploy advanced metering
infrastructure (AMI) has been handicapped into presenting only a
fraction of the benefits the devices can deliver, a hearing was told
Wednesday.
An expert said the Energy and Utilities Board should look beyond NB
Power's limited business case in deciding on the technology, which
includes smart meters.
"One of the challenges inherent in assessing the value of AMI metering
infrastructure is that only a portion of future benefits may be known
at the time of initial investment," said Philippe Dunsky, a Montreal
based energy expert hired by NB Power to testify about potential
"unquantified benefits" of smart meters.
"Many of those (AMI) services and capabilities are difficult to
quantify" he added. "Some are not yet even known and I would argue
probably most are not yet known."
As an example Dunsky said if NB Power uses smart meters in the future
to introduce different prices for electricity at different times of
the day it could nudge enough power consumption away from expensive
peak hours in the winter to save itself $52 million over 15 years.
EUB lawyer clashes with NB Power over apparent rosy assumptions
for smart meters
Interveners dubious over NB Power's revamped smart meter plan as
EUB hearings begin
But that potential saving is not included in NB Power's business case
for smart meters because so called "time-varying rates" have not yet
been approved in New Brunswick.
"This is a classic catch 22," said Dunsky.
"NB Power cannot propose a specific rate design until it knows what
metering infrastructure it is working with and the EUB is reluctant to
account for benefits for a rate design not yet proposed."
"While valued at zero in the business case I would encourage the EUB
to give this benefit - with $52 million in potential rate payer
savings in play, due consideration."
NB Power is in front of the Energy and Utilities Board seeking
permission to spend $92 million to buy 360,000 smart meters and deploy
them with most of its customer base.
Montreal based energy expert Philippe Dunsky listens to questions from
NB Power lawyer John Furey. Dunsky testified Wednesday that millions
of dollars in benefits NB Power will gain from smart meters are not in
its business case, but the EUB should consider them when it renders a
decision. (Robert Jones/CBC)
But it has been limited to presenting "quantified benefits" of the
switch in its business case to try and win approval, like money it
will save on meter reading and other efficiencies.
On that narrow basis it has claimed the meters will generate a net
benefit to the utility of $31.1 million over 15 years but the hearing
has been chipping away at that number.
Dunsky prepared a report suggesting there are at least 13 lucrative
but currently unquantified benefits - like time varying rates - NB
Power is prevented from counting. He said that is making the case for
smart meters seem less financially attractive than it really is.
Two years ago in its decision to reject NB Power's first application
for smart meters the EUB explained it had decided against including
possible future benefits of smart meters in its evaluation.
"The Board acknowledges that there may be a number of non-quantifiable
benefits that AMI would accrue to ratepayers and the utility," read
the decision.
Staff of the Energy and Utilities Board led by its lawyer Ellen
Desmond listen to testimony about smart meters. Desmond questioned
Wednesday how the EUB could consider unquantified benefits as an
argument in favour of smart meters if there is no evidence to support
what they are. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
"For the purposes of this application, however, the Board does not
consider non-quantifiable benefits as a factor that would overcome a
negative business case."
Under questioning from EUB lawyer Ellen Desmond, Dunsky acknowledged
some of his examples were being given without evidence the hearing
could look at and evaluate including a claim that a combination of
time varying rates and expanding electric vehicle sales and charging
would save NB Power another $51 million if smart meters were approved.
"Is there anything on the record that would allow interveners to test
that ($51 million) evaluation," asked Desmond
"Could you point us to something where we could look at the details of
that calculation, or anything of that nature?"
"I can't point to something that's currently in the record," said
Dunsky, "I apologise. I put it in there. I probably shouldn't have."
NB Power senior vice president Lori Clark told the EUB Monday that
it's application for smart meters is based on "quantified benefits" of
the technology but made a point of noting there are "many"
unquantified benefits as well. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
Despite the EUB's ruling two years ago that unquantified benefits did
not count in its decision on smart meters the issue has again become a
significant matter of discussion.
Scott Stoll, a lawyer representing New Brunswick's municipal utilities
has been asking witnesses whether, in a close call, the EUB should
take potential but unquantified benefits into consideration.
And in its opening statement of the hearing NB Power made it a point
to mention them prominently.
"Our business case is built on quantified benefits;" said senior NB
Power vice president Lori Clark.
"However, we also noted the many non-quantified benefits that make AMI
a worthy investment."
About the Author
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since 1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New
Brunswick won several regional and national awards and led to the
adoption of price regulation in 2006.
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Details scarce on NB Power plan to begin building solar-powered
neighborhood this year
Utility to spend millions on 100 solar-powered house in Halls Creek
area of Moncton
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Feb 19, 2020 5:00 AM AT
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David Amos
Methinks folks must have heard enough about NB Power and Siemens and
their "Not So Smart" Meter plans to figure out their wicked games with
our money by now N'esy Pas?
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks Minister Mikey Holland should pay
more attention to whats going with NB Power within the EUB and the CBC
N'esy Pas Higgy?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
[le français suit]
I'm out of the office Wednesday and Thursday this week, testifying at
a regulatory proceeding. I'll check emails occasionally, but my
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Expert says true smart meter value won't emerge until after they're approved
Day three of rate hearings concluded Wednesday
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Jan 15, 2020 10:04 PM AT |
A three person panel from the Energy and Utilities Board headed by
Vice Chairman Francois Beaulieu is hearing NB Power's second
application to acquire smart meters. The first application was
rejected two years ago for not being cost effective. (Graham
Thompson/CBC)
NB Power's application to buy and deploy advanced metering
infrastructure (AMI) has been handicapped into presenting only a
fraction of the benefits the devices can deliver, a hearing was told
Wednesday.
An expert said the Energy and Utilities Board should look beyond NB
Power's limited business case in deciding on the technology, which
includes smart meters.
"One of the challenges inherent in assessing the value of AMI metering
infrastructure is that only a portion of future benefits may be known
at the time of initial investment," said Philippe Dunsky, a Montreal
based energy expert hired by NB Power to testify about potential
"unquantified benefits" of smart meters.
"Many of those (AMI) services and capabilities are difficult to
quantify" he added. "Some are not yet even known and I would argue
probably most are not yet known."
As an example Dunsky said if NB Power uses smart meters in the future
to introduce different prices for electricity at different times of
the day it could nudge enough power consumption away from expensive
peak hours in the winter to save itself $52 million over 15 years.
EUB lawyer clashes with NB Power over apparent rosy assumptions
for smart meters
Interveners dubious over NB Power's revamped smart meter plan as
EUB hearings begin
But that potential saving is not included in NB Power's business case
for smart meters because so called "time-varying rates" have not yet
been approved in New Brunswick.
"This is a classic catch 22," said Dunsky.
"NB Power cannot propose a specific rate design until it knows what
metering infrastructure it is working with and the EUB is reluctant to
account for benefits for a rate design not yet proposed."
"While valued at zero in the business case I would encourage the EUB
to give this benefit - with $52 million in potential rate payer
savings in play, due consideration."
NB Power is in front of the Energy and Utilities Board seeking
permission to spend $92 million to buy 360,000 smart meters and deploy
them with most of its customer base.
Montreal based energy expert Philippe Dunsky listens to questions from
NB Power lawyer John Furey. Dunsky testified Wednesday that millions
of dollars in benefits NB Power will gain from smart meters are not in
its business case, but the EUB should consider them when it renders a
decision. (Robert Jones/CBC)
But it has been limited to presenting "quantified benefits" of the
switch in its business case to try and win approval, like money it
will save on meter reading and other efficiencies.
On that narrow basis it has claimed the meters will generate a net
benefit to the utility of $31.1 million over 15 years but the hearing
has been chipping away at that number.
Dunsky prepared a report suggesting there are at least 13 lucrative
but currently unquantified benefits - like time varying rates - NB
Power is prevented from counting. He said that is making the case for
smart meters seem less financially attractive than it really is.
Two years ago in its decision to reject NB Power's first application
for smart meters the EUB explained it had decided against including
possible future benefits of smart meters in its evaluation.
"The Board acknowledges that there may be a number of non-quantifiable
benefits that AMI would accrue to ratepayers and the utility," read
the decision.
Staff of the Energy and Utilities Board led by its lawyer Ellen
Desmond listen to testimony about smart meters. Desmond questioned
Wednesday how the EUB could consider unquantified benefits as an
argument in favour of smart meters if there is no evidence to support
what they are. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
"For the purposes of this application, however, the Board does not
consider non-quantifiable benefits as a factor that would overcome a
negative business case."
Under questioning from EUB lawyer Ellen Desmond, Dunsky acknowledged
some of his examples were being given without evidence the hearing
could look at and evaluate including a claim that a combination of
time varying rates and expanding electric vehicle sales and charging
would save NB Power another $51 million if smart meters were approved.
"Is there anything on the record that would allow interveners to test
that ($51 million) evaluation," asked Desmond
"Could you point us to something where we could look at the details of
that calculation, or anything of that nature?"
"I can't point to something that's currently in the record," said
Dunsky, "I apologise. I put it in there. I probably shouldn't have."
NB Power senior vice president Lori Clark told the EUB Monday that
it's application for smart meters is based on "quantified benefits" of
the technology but made a point of noting there are "many"
unquantified benefits as well. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
Despite the EUB's ruling two years ago that unquantified benefits did
not count in its decision on smart meters the issue has again become a
significant matter of discussion.
Scott Stoll, a lawyer representing New Brunswick's municipal utilities
has been asking witnesses whether, in a close call, the EUB should
take potential but unquantified benefits into consideration.
And in its opening statement of the hearing NB Power made it a point
to mention them prominently.
"Our business case is built on quantified benefits;" said senior NB
Power vice president Lori Clark.
"However, we also noted the many non-quantified benefits that make AMI
a worthy investment."
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I hope my friend Roger Richard had a little luck making his concerns better known. He did read a few letters into the record that other folks had written to the EUB as well.
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/nb-power-plan-to-remove-joi-scientific.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-rate-increase-eub-hearing-1.5463418
NB Power makes final plea to EUB for 1.9% rate hike
Crown corporation's lawyer argues for full increase to be approved, even if board objects to budget items
· CBC News · Posted: Feb 14, 2020 5:00 AM AT
NB Power lawyer John Furey asked the EUB to set aside its practice of reducing the utility's rate increase if it finds some spending plans are unjustified. (CBC)
NB Power concluded its
rate hearing Thursday with a plea for the Energy and Utilities Board to
grant it a full 1.9 per cent rate increase beginning April 1, even if
board members object to individual items in its proposed budget.
"I
don't think it follows automatically that the board must reduce the
rate when it identifies a cost that it wishes to disallow," said NB
Power lawyer John Furey in a 50-minute address wrapping up the utility's
request to charge customers an extra $28.5 million for electricity.
NB
Power has grumbled for years about the EUB's practice of lowering rate
increases when an unjustified expense is found in the utility's budget,
claiming it cascades into future revenue shortfalls.
In
2015, NB Power had a $984,000 expenditure for making repairs to the
Tobique riverbank disallowed by the EUB during its rate
application because it refused to disclose all the information
explaining why the project was necessary.
The board then reduced the rate hike it awarded by 0.1 percentage point.
In
his closing remarks Thursday, Furey said that five-year-old decision
has cost the utility every year since because each new rate hike builds
on the last one.
"A
$900,000 expense is disallowed in year one but the corporation loses a
rate increase that would have produced $900,000 in income for each of
the years of the 10-year plan," he said. "You have a $10 million impact
on a $900,000 disallowance."
Furey said
the EUB should disallow costs it doesn't like but let NB Power keep its
full rate increase and transfer disallowed spending over to profit
instead.
Public intervener Heather Black asked the EUB to disallow $700,000 from NB Power's budget next year, saying the utility did not properly justify spending on two projects being pursued by private companies. (CBC)
It was a timely
argument because after Furey spoke, public intervener Heather Black
called for the board to disallow $300,000 in spending NB Power has
planned to further investigate the feasibility of the Maritime Iron
project in Belledune and $400,000 it has set aside to help two private
companies work on their plans to develop small modular nuclear reactors.
She said she did not see a direct benefit to NB Power customers in either case.
"They
may well be viable projects They may well make valuable contributions
to the province," said Black who said she does not oppose the
developments, just the use of customer money to help them along.
"NB
Power, in my view, has not demonstrated the way they make these
spending decisions is by using a prudent standard," said Black.
But
Black also expressed concerns with NB Power's finances. She joined
Furey in encouraging the EUB to consider ways it could allow NB Power to
keep its full rate increase while also disallowing questionable
expenses.
EUB vice-chairman François Beaulieu questioned whether the EUB is legally allowed to let NB Power use the money from disallowed budget items to bolster its profits. (CBC)
EUB vice-chairman
François Beaulieu appeared cool to the idea, suggesting NB Power is
only entitled to the amount of profit it applies for and it may be
beyond the board's authority to add to that. He said savings from
disallowed items traditionally flow to customers, not the utility, and
he questioned whether that should change.
"How fair is that to ratepayers who are relying on us to fix just and reasonable rates?" asked Beaulieu.
Furey
said NB Power is in a uniquely vulnerable financial position. It has
been directed by the province to generate $500 million in profit over
the next seven years to get its debt under control and he said the EUB
could at least alter its practice temporarily until that problem is
fixed.
"Does the board,
once disallowing a cost, need to track that through in a mathematical
way to reduce the rate request? In the context that NB Power faces, I
would suggest the answer is no," he said.
Decision expected in March
NB
Power undermined that argument somewhat itself by voluntarily
disallowing some of its own expenses at the start of the hearing on its
controversial Joi Scientific hydrogen-from-seawater project.
It
announced customers should not have to pay for ongoing expenses and
reduced its rate increase request from two per cent to 1.9 per cent,
much the way the EUB would do for a disallowed cost.
Nevertheless
Furey asked for a halt to that practice and argued the public airing of
NB Power's questionable expenses at board hearings is a powerful rebuke
on its own and doesn't need a financial penalty attached to it.
"That still provides accountability," Furey said. The public sees it. The utility sees it."
A decision on the rate increase is likely from the board next month.
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Tammy
Richard
I
am already paying half of my paycheck for power, having to do promise
to pays for winter. Please stop increasing the rates and get a pay cut. A
single mom.
..
..
David Amos .
Reply to @Tammy
Richard: Good luck to you and yours. I know its cold comfort knowing
that you are not alone However whereas Higgy and Holland never will.at
least somebody has had enough empathy to acknowledge your lament.
I hope that my friend Roger Richard had a little luck making your concerns better known. He did read a few letters into the record that folks like you had written to the EUB. Even the Irving's lawyers commented yesterday that they had not seen so many placed in the record of the EUB.
I hope that my friend Roger Richard had a little luck making your concerns better known. He did read a few letters into the record that folks like you had written to the EUB. Even the Irving's lawyers commented yesterday that they had not seen so many placed in the record of the EUB.
David Amos
Methinks the Gravy Train will eventually run out steam if it does not go off the rails first due to poor infrastructure maintenance N'esy Pas?
Michael Durant
Can they not find any more internal efficiencies to spare the ratepayers?
David Amos
Reply to @Michael durant: I know I can and it would begin with an audit
Stephen Robertson
NBPower's position
seems to be it will eat some of the money it spent. It is all our
money. Whether they take it out of the left pocket or the right.
David Amos
Reply to @Stephen Robertson: Trust that their advisers in KPMG know all the tricks
David Amos
Well it all over but the crying now
David Peters
It's striking how much the rate increase figure resembles the bonuses figures.
The only way they get away with this is by the public not paying attention. There is no good reason to monopolize the energy sector...or any other sector.
We are over-paying for everything that has been monopolized, for no good reason.
Stephen Robertson
Reply to @David Peters: Enron might be able to open the market up?
David Amos
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Reply to @Stephen
Robertson: Methinks thats their plan with mini nukes Perhaps they will
hire some ex Enron spin doctors Higgy needs more immigrants N'esy Pas?
Marc
Martin
Reply to @David
Peters: *It's striking how much the rate increase figure resembles the
bonuses figures. * Yep I agree and these a non-unionized positions by
the way :)
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Marc
Martin: Too bad so sad that folks can't read the comment above yours but
at least you and Higgy know where to find it correct?
David Amos
How many of my opinions will go "Poof" today?
Survey Says?
How many of my opinions will go "Poof" today?
Survey Says?
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: No one care they are irrelevant anyways..
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks you and your boss Higgy obviously care N'esy Pas?
Ray Bungay
Reply to @David Amos: You mean La Poof, anyhow sir, when it comes down to irrelevant because it is NBP?
Roland Godin
It may shock you: Question of keeping in the dark, voter qualifications and competencies in personnel selection when hiring politicians who hire ranked and filled...et voilà.
David Amos
Reply to @Roland
Godin: SHHH Methinks many old folks would never recover from such a
shock and our emergency rooms could not handle them if they did N'esy
Pas?
Brian Robertson
The EUB should strike 0.5% from their requested rate increase as a punitive measure for returning to the trough with their mendacious plan for 'smart' meters in New Brunswick. And if they return with it again next year, they should double it.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian
Robertson: Methinks there is no need for a rat increase for several
reasons here is just one that CBC reported as the they put the rate
increase before the EUB and now there is the new deal with HydroQuebec
for cheap power N'esy Pas?
Cheap coal stoking NB Power's bottom line — for now
Utility reports it is on track to beat its profit target for the first time in five years
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Nov 27, 2019 7:00 AM AT
Cheap coal stoking NB Power's bottom line — for now
Utility reports it is on track to beat its profit target for the first time in five years
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Nov 27, 2019 7:00 AM AT
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: I just have to laugh at my own spelling mistakes
Ben Haroldson
Reply to @David Amos: Freudian slip.
David Amos
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I'd like to think so but nope just a simple error I make them all the time
Ray Bungay
Reply to @Brian
Robertson: I wish they would go for, let’s say, 6% so the EUB would NBP
to open up all the books. These weasels go 2% or less because they don’t
have to reveal all their dirty little secrets they are keeping from
rate payers!
Mike
Morton
At what point do we bring in the efficiency experts (the two Bobs) to get this bloated bureaucracy back onto the rails?
David Amos
Reply to @Mike
Morton: Are the two Bobs uncles of anyone in NB Power or do they know
Norm Betts? Methinks he may know somebody who knows somebody that can
give them a job N'esy Pas?
Mike
Morton
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Mike Morton: we did it once, and then liberals were elected and they filled the swamp back up
David Amos
Marc
Bourque
A
final plea.................................it sounds like your being
sent to the gallows...the way they've been conducting business,the
unemployment line it the best step now!
David Amos
Reply to @Marc
Bourque: Why is it that you just reminded me of the Bob Dylan tune
"Things Have Changed" I gonna play it right now in honour of the lawyer
Mr Furey
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4zlA6NoSVE
Bob Dylan - Things Have Changed ("Wonder Boys" Promo Video)
1,397,710 views
•Mar 24, 2011
Kyle Woodman
Reply to @David Amos: I lile that whole album. Good tune!
Marc Martin
Must be bonus time for NB Power Executives.
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Has Higgy given you yours yet?
Marc Martin
Reply to @David Amos: I he supposed too ? I didn't know he gave non provincial workers bonuses !! Sweet !!
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Who do you think you are fooling?
Paul Bourgoin
Reply to @Marc Martin: I believed it was every second week!
Johnny Jakobs
Here's the takeaway from this article: Let NB Power increase its rates by 1.9% so their profits can raise, in return, management collects a bonus for achieving targets.
Whatever NB Power, I wish my government didn't create such a monopoly. Shameful.
Dotty Gaudet
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: Can we lobby our MLAs to stop all bonuses effective today?
Stephen
Robertson
Reply to @Dotty
Gaudet: In the current environment, executive bonuses are the norm. They
are normallty used when the executive is given a mandate and meets it.
IMHO if there is no connection between performance and bonus then it is a
sham salary. I would like to know what performance of either the NB
Power board and Cannabis NB for that matter has accomplished to warrant
bonuses?
Dotty Gaudet
Reply to @Stephen
Robertson: Thanks Stephen. When you say "bonuses are normally used when
the executive is given a mandate and meets it", we use to call that a
pay cheque and if you didn't meet a mandate you were fired, but that
doesn't happen in government.
Stephen
Robertson
Reply to @Dotty Gaudet: agreed
David Amos
Reply to @Dotty Gaudet: Sometimes they get shown the door with golden handshake on the way out.
Jim Johnston
I could not believe some one in a position of responsibility would say this ""A $900,000 expense is disallowed in year one but the corporation loses a rate increase that would have produced $900,000 in income for each of the years of the 10-year plan," he said. "You have a $10 million impact on a $900,000 disallowance." By this logic every one time expense should stay on the budget? It is no wonder NB power is in such bad shape. The people responsible for putting this argument forward should be released for cause. It is obvious they cannot be trusted with public money.
Roger Thompson
Reply to @Jim
Johnston: Yes!, that was one of the MOST preposterous statement I've
heard today! It is deliberately worded to confuse and demonstrates an
active attempt at covering up NB Power corporate incompetence. Hope
fully the EUB has enough brain cells to comprehend and see through their
facade.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Thompson: Dream on
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My friend Roger Richard speaks for the last time today in this matter
Methinks it should prove interesting what Mr Jones does not report as per his MO N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/02/nb-power-plan-to-remove-joi-scientific.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-power-eub-rate-hearing-joi-scientific-1.5462070
NB Power plan to remove Joi Scientific spending from rate increase an empty gesture, says expert
Utility opened EUB hearings with surprise move to lower requested rate increase to 1.9%
· CBC News · Posted: Feb 13, 2020 5:00 AM AT
A utility expert hired by the EUB said NB Power should stop investing into 'speculative' ventures, like Joi Scientific, during the utility's rate hearing Wednesday. (Radio-Canada)
NB Power's gesture to remove money spent on Joi Scientific from this year's rate increase will not save customers from paying for the investment and the utility should stop putting money into "speculative" ventures, its rate hearing was told Wednesday.
"NB Power ratepayers should only pay for costs that are directly related to the provision of utility service," said Dustin Madsen, a Calgary-based utility expert hired by the Energy and Utilities Board to review NB Power's application.
Madsen produced a 63-page report about the rate increase, but he began his testimony with a pointed criticism of money NB Power spent on a Florida hydrogen-from-seawater venture over the last four years.
"Costs that are speculative in nature are not in my opinion appropriate for NB Power's ratepayers to fund," said Madsen.
"If a cost does not provide a direct benefit to customers or relates to an asset that is used or required to be used to provide utility service, then ratepayers should not bear that cost."
Utility expert Dustin Madsen listening to testimony at NB Power's rate hearing. Madsen said NB Power should not be permitted to invest in 'speculative' ventures. (Roger Cosman/CBC)
NB Power opened the hearing last week with a surprise announcement that it was lowering its rate increase request from two per cent to 1.9 per cent so customers would not have to pay for ongoing amortization and interest costs related to its investment in Joi Scientific.
"We thought it was important to notify the panel NB Power has recently decided it will not seek to recover the cost incurred for the licensing agreement with Joi Scientific," said Darren Murphy, NB Power chief financial officer and senior vice-president, minutes into the hearing.
"As a result, we are reducing the cost of our application accordingly."
NB Power CFO Darren Murphy announced last week NB Power would not be asking customers to pay for the utility's investment in Joi Scientific. (Roger Cosman/CBC)
But Madsen called that an empty gesture.
He said customers have already paid for the non-capital costs of what has been spent — about $1.92 million — and because the rest is to be paid by NB Power, a lower rate increase for it this year will only have to be made up later for the utility to hit debt and equity targets.
"NB Power's ratepayers have paid for some of those costs and will still ultimately pay for the remaining costs in the future … as while the costs are not included in revenues, they are offset against NB Power's equity, which is legislated to be set at 20 per cent," said Madsen.
"NB Power's ratepayers will not pay directly, but they will pay indirectly through higher net earnings for NB Power in the future. In my opinion, ratepayers should not bear this cost."
Evidence unearthed at the hearing has shown the total cost of the hydrogen project was $16.5 million over four years, more than previously reported.
The amounts include $9.22 million NB Power spent of its own money and another $7.3 million it talked the province into contributing. That total includes $1 million spent this year by NB Power that was not specifically included in the budget approved by the EUB at last year's rate hearing.
Joi Scientific claimed to have developed a method to efficiently generate hydrogen gas from seawater to generate electricity on demand. It would have been a major scientific breakthrough where the energy output of the process was claimed to be greater than the energy input, and in 2016 senior NB Power officials, including President Gaëtan Thomas, became convinced it could work.
NB Power spent $1 million on pursuing the hydrogen-from-seawater project this year, including money it paid for lab space at the Space Life Sciences Lab in Merritt Island, Fla. (Karissa Donkin/CBC)
Last week, Keith Cronkhite, NB Power senior vice-president for business development, said attempts to duplicate company test results and build a commercially viable device ultimately failed.
"The advances that were anticipated relative to the electronics and the ability to simplify the testing of the rig did not develop as we would have anticipated," he said.
In December, Mike Holland, the minister for natural resources and energy, announced the province, as NB Power's sole shareholder, did not want the utility to pour any more money into Joi Scientific.
"At this particular moment I have not been presented with any proof of viability," said Holland about the technology.
"It would be beneficial to understand if Maritime Iron will compensate NB Power for any of these costs as it would be presumably a mutually beneficial relationship," he wrote.
Hearings conclude Thursday with closing arguments.
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David Amos
We get the governments we deserve
David Amos
My friend Roger Richard speaks for the last time today in this matter
Methinks it should prove interesting what Mr Jones does not report as per his MO N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks if folks truly cared they would download documents from the EUB in order to read the facts and the testimonies under oath for themselves instead of relying on the media to give their spin on important matters.
On a personal level the NB Power Notice of Objection to Intervener Request beginning with document number 59994 in the EUB 430 Matter and the related decision is a hoot to read to see why I have every right to sue NB Power and the EUB anytime I wish N’esy Pas?
David Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
Why don't you summarize the parts you think are spin and why?
Why don't you summarize the parts you think are spin and why?
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: I keep getting blocked
David Amos
Go Figure
NEW BRUNSWICK ENERGY and UTILITIES BOARD
Matter 458
IN THE MATTER OF an application by New Brunswick Power Corporation for approval of the schedules of rates for the fiscal year commencing April 1st 2020.
Held at the Delta Hotel, Saint John, N.B. on February 9 12th 2020.
Page 46
MR. HERRON: It makes perfect sense.
A. Okay.
MR. HERRON: So perhaps said it another way. So there is 21 a benefit to a ratepayer if they have a lower rate?
A. Yes.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: MR. HERRON: And you are suggesting there is also -- there could be a benefit to the ratepayer if the company’s net 1 earnings and capital structure is improved as well?
A. Yes. So there --
MR. HERRON: So there is a benefit to the ratepayer with either choice that the Board may make?
A. Exactly.
MR. HERRON: Okay. Those are my questions. Thank you.
VICE-CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Herron. Just a follow-up on the question that Mr. Herron was asking on the disallowances, Mr. Knecht. If the Board finds that there are costs that are overstated and disallows those costs, and we essentially don’t reduce the rates, how can this Board measure the accountability of the company towards ratepayers?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: A. The accountability gets measured the same way, which is you have now changed the bite. At the end of the day, if the company spends the money, you have no real options for those funds not being passed on to ratepayers under the current regulatory regime. Unless you can stop them from spending it, you can’t keep ratepayers for being on the hook for those costs.
So I think my response to your question is if you decided that say the O&M budget is too high, you know, by $20 million or whatever, you lower the budget for that the approved number for the test year, future test year 2021, you increase the net income budget, and then when you review it next year as part of the -- or probably two years out when you review that, you say why didn’t you hit your budget, because that is all you can do. You can only say, you know, I am going to evaluate you based on your performance, and if you keep missing your budgets, you know, that is going to be vetted in a public hearing. But, you know, as a practical matter, as I said, you know, once the company spends it, it is going to flow to ratepayers one way or the other.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: VICE-CHAIRMAN: Any redirect, Ms. Black.
MS. BLACK: Just a couple of questions, Mr. Vice-Chair.
REDIRECT EXAMINATION BY MS. BLACK:
Q. - Mr. Knecht, in your discussion with Ms. Desmond, she started off by asking you questions around why you may have taken a different approach from Mr. Madsen in terms of conducting a detailed review of the revenue requirement, particularly cost components like the ones Mr. Madsen reviewed related to OM&A. Do you recall that?
A. Yes.
Q. - Okay. Is there any other reason beyond the time constraints of the hearing schedule that you may choose in a particular year in the context of doing your work for this kind of proceeding, is there another reason why you wouldn’t focus in the same way Mr. Madsen has on particular components in the revenue requirement?
A. There is a couple of things. One, is I do a fair amount of work within the cost allocation and rate design area, and that is not an area that Mr. Madsen went into? And I think that goes a little bit to the available time to cover all of these topics
Jacob Minton
How about a class action against the board and executives of NB Power, on behalf of NB rate payers, to recover the money lost through gross negligence?
Spending millions on magic water wasn't the choice of rate payers, it was the fault of well paid and pensioned people who knew that any money lost would be paid by customers poorer than themselves. But they spent it anyway, on a scam that a middle school science student could have told them was snake oil.
David Amos
Reply to @Jacob
Minton: Methinks class actions are just a wicked game for lawyers to
get rich off of but at least I have the right to sue them as an
individual N'esy Pas?
David Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
"...class actions are just a wicked game for lawyers..."
Great point.
The only real way to correct this deep, systemic mess is to break up the public monopoly and decentralize energy generation. Smaller scale, decentralized energy sector would be more reliable and cheaper.
It's another major sector that would be much better off for the vast majority of NBers if free market solutions and real competition were introduced.
David Stairs
incompetence and no accountability at it's best....this train is headed for a wreck....time to bring in the Police and do an impartial investigation and lay the appropriate charges....
David Amos
Reply to @David Stairs: Good luck with that pipe dream coming true
Derek Grant
JOI just carbon-copied the script from the film "Chain Reaction" and went trolling
for Turnip Truck Discards to invest. Cue the Dueling Banjos, they found their hillybilly
investors just north of the border! Come on!
David Amos
Reply to @Derek Grant: This ain't Hollywood entertainment Its for real
Aaron Allison
We need a FORENSIC AUDIT into NB Power the the AG.
David Amos
Reply to @Aaron Allison: Methinks everybody knows that I have been suggesting that since 2006 N'esy Pas?
Robert L. Brown
The political proccess in New Brunswick Must think that the Taxpayers of New Brunswick are idiots when the hire a "expert" to tell them what the taxpayers have been telling them for years NB Power needs to be overhauled NOW and not by experts but by the taxpayers get rid of the top overhead first and then there are a lot more to be done like the hiring of political utility companies and hire there own
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Robert L. Brown:
Don't stop with NB Power, I *think* you will find it is nothing but the tip of the iceberg, I *suspect* everything to do with government in NB is run this way.
Don't stop with NB Power, I *think* you will find it is nothing but the tip of the iceberg, I *suspect* everything to do with government in NB is run this way.
David Amos
Reply to @Robert L.
Brown: Methinks you are preaching to the choir but I trust that you know
that Higgy and Holland don't care nor do their political opponents
N'esy Pas/
David Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
...that's because they're insiders. Imo, the PA are much more representative of grassroots.
...that's because they're insiders. Imo, the PA are much more representative of grassroots.
David Amos
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Reply to @David Peters: They are all crooks
Roland Stewart
Instead of closing ER's at Hospital's this is where Higgs need to clean house.
David Amos
Reply to @Roland
Stewart: I Wholeheartedly Agree SIR However Higgy wants the "Not So
Smart" and the rate increases. Methinks some folks must remember that
the liberal appointed EUB put a stop to the meter nonsense and Gallant
promised to freeze NB Power's rates before the last election and that
the Green Party opposed the liberal and sided with Higgy on those topics
N'esy Pas?
David Peters
Reply to @Roland Stewart:
Higgs can walk and chew gum at the same time...why not clean up all the public monopolies at the same time?
Higgs can walk and chew gum at the same time...why not clean up all the public monopolies at the same time?
Roland Stewart
Reply to @David
Peters: Hard to believe he worked for the Irvings's. Just getting a job
at the cardboard plant takes about 6 interviews.
David Peters
"...lowering its rate increase..."
An efficient, streamlined energy sector, involving real competition would be talking about ways to lower rates, not lowering rate increases...but, this is what we get when we turn such a vital sector into a political patronage hub.
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Methinks we shall soon see if my latest comment is published N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
If the EUB has any sense of responsibility to New Brunswick ratepayers, they will slam the door on these two faced opportunists and their annual shell game. While we struggle to find which has the pea, they will always have one hand in our pockets.
The only way we will see better management of NB Power is to squeeze it out of them.
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Dream on
Alex Butt
Do the EUB and the cronies at nb power actually think we beleive that they are doing ANYTHING in our interests? Of course WE will end up paying for this, as they will still get their huge saleries, bonuses etc, and where do they think the money comes from.... Magic joi beans?? It comes from our pockets.
David Amos
Reply to @Alex Butt:
FYI I ran against the Commissioner John Herron in 2004 for the seat in
Fundy Royal. During election of the 39th Parliament and Dave Young
ignored CBC mandate and failed to report it Guess who now works with
Herron in the EUB?
David Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
What would you have done different than John Herron?
What would you have done different than John Herron?
David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: I sued the Queen remember?
Reply to @David Amos:
What kind of changes do you think are needed in NB's energy sector?
David Amos
Reply to @David
Peters: Have bothered to read anything I wrote or said within the EUB or
do you just type things to see your name in CBC?
Tom Gordon
You pay, me pay, we all pay for it one way or another.
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Gordon: Oh So True
Johnny Jakobs
What's it going to take for change to happen at NB Power? They are lying, cheating and deceiving everyone to cover their crimes. White collar criminals running a crown corporation.
Lauchlin Murray
Reply to @Johnny
Jakobs: I think 'white collar criminals' gives them too much credit.
More like lil boys trying to act like big business men, while shuffling
around in their fathers' shoes.
Johnny
Jakobs
Reply to @Lauchlin Murray: lolol...
David Amos
Reply to @Lauchlin Murray: Welcome to the circus
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs:
NB Power is but the tip of the iceberg, if you care to start paying attention, you will find the provincial government relies heavily on those attributes you have listed.
Terry Tibbs
BRAVO, BRAVO...........NB Power even has guys from Calgary laughing at us now.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks they see the circus for what it is N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
There is no doubt we are all on the hook for that, and any other wasted money, they truly have us by the short hairs.
But it does merit some signage at the EUB hearings. Something like "kiss us first" should get the message across?
There is no doubt we are all on the hook for that, and any other wasted money, they truly have us by the short hairs.
But it does merit some signage at the EUB hearings. Something like "kiss us first" should get the message across?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry
Tibbs: I ran for public office 7 times and intervened in several EUB
matters while everybody laughed at me Hence methinks its my turn to
retire and sit back and watch the circus and laugh at snobby clowns
squandering our assets N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Need I say that I just stress tested the ethics of the liberals and their media cohorts again?
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