https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-case-1.6063210

N.B. should reveal COVID case numbers among those vaccinated, experts say

Nova Scotia, Alberta already reporting numbers of vaccinated people who test positive for COVID-19

Aidan Cox · CBC News · Posted: Jun 12, 2021 7:00 AM AT

Experts say New Brunswick Public Health should share data on the number of vaccinated people who test positive for COVID-19. (Ajeng Dinar Ulfiana/Reuters)

Some provinces are starting to share data on the number of COVID-19 cases among vaccinated people, and experts say New Brunswick should follow suit.

Alberta and Nova Scotia are two provinces that have started regularly updating the public on what are being called "breakthrough cases," which include people who've tested positive for the disease two weeks after either their first or second dose of vaccine.

New Brunswick is tracking those cases, but doesn't share the data with the public.

Bruce Macfarlane, a spokesperson for the Department of Health, said in an email that due to the province's comparatively small number of cases, coupled with the small proportion of the population being fully immunized, it is difficult to ensure the data is representative of actual trends.

But Caroline Colijn, professor of mathematics at Simon Fraser University, who does models to help forecast COVID-19 case trends, said as long as patient privacy is maintained, breakthrough cases of COVID-19 should be made public.

Caroline Colijn, a mathematics professor and COVID-19 case modeler at Simon Fraser University, says it's important for the government to release statistics on breakthrough cases so that as many researchers as possible can see how well vaccines are working. (CBC)

"I think there are benefits to doing it, absolutely, because I think these are complex questions," Colijn said.

"The pandemic affects the whole of society. We need as many researchers thinking about it with diverse perspectives and diverse points of view."

Colijn said vaccines are what will likely put an end to the pandemic, but being open about breakthrough cases will help keep everyone informed about how well vaccines are performing.

"It's a new virus facing new kinds of selection and new population, and we need to be on the lookout for changes to that scenario."

"And we need to be developing the planning and the right picture of how the virus is changing potentially and what it's doing and in order to do that, we need the information," she said.

Last Friday Nova Scotia began sharing its data on breakthrough cases, so far revealing that 94.6 per cent of its COVID-19 cases were in unvaccinated people, 4.8 per cent in partially vaccinated people and 0.6 per cent in fully vaccinated people.

N.S. data on 'breakthrough cases' proves COVID-19 vaccines are working, expert says

Nova Scotia shares data on vaccinated people testing positive for COVID-19

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Once a week, Nova Scotia is reporting 'breakthrough cases,' when a person is COVID-positive two weeks after receiving either one or two doses of vaccine. 2:01

Dr. Krishana Sankar, a science advisor for Science Upfirst, an anti-misinformation initiative, said it's always good for health officials to be transparent about the data they collect on COVID-19, and it's good to let people know you can still get the virus after being vaccinated.

"But what's important to know is that you're actually significantly reducing your risk of becoming severely ill, having to go to the hospital or dying."

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David Amos
Methinks the plot thickens N'esy Pas?

George Jones

Reply to @David Amos: It sure does...

Keram Ave
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Reply to @David Amos: c’est vrai, mon ami.

Gracie Amos
Reply to @David Amos: i definitely love the thick ones Messy Pants!

George Jones
"N.B. should reveal COVID case numbers among those vaccinated, experts say"
This is New Brunswick.. It is an owned province.. There are books about this...


David Amos
Reply to @George Jones: I write it every day Methinks you may like the chapter about Higgy et al sending me butter tarts in the mail with a SIGNED NOTE back in 2017 after he had hired Cardy to be his Chief of Staff Nesy Pas?

If so simply Google Higgs Cardy butter tarts


George Jones
Reply to @David Amos: You got a personal card sent back.. I believed it as soon as I read your post.... That was funny.. You really left an impression for 3 or 4 of them to personally sign it... LOL...


David Amos
Reply to @George Jones: You misunderstand Read the emails the note came with the butter tarts they sent me in the mail

George Jones
Reply to @George Jones: I've read your comments over the months and maybe a year or so.. You would have done well for the people if you ever got in..Most become lap dogs that are voted in and I have no doubt why society is where it is. And I will read the emails later on tonight..

David Amos
Reply to @George Jones: Thank you kind sir You will also find your words in the same location

George Jones
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Here is a test.. Put three masks over your face. Then put your glasses in front of your masks and blow into them.. They will fog up.. that tells ya something....

David Amos
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Reply to @George Jones: Methinks everybody but Higgy knows that a virus can go through a mask like mosquito through a chain link fence N'esy Pas?

Billy Popamahovilich
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Reply to @George Jones: and the last to go in the big path to green are the useless masks.

Steve Simonds
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Reply to @George Jones: Don't quit your day job for one in science.

George Jones
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Reply to @Steve Simonds: That comes from experts.. The virus can enter through the eyes also.. We gotta get equipment out like the firemen wear... or maybe the lab people...

Steve Simonds
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Reply to @George Jones: Fauci said there is almost zero chance it can come through the eyes last summer, but I don't know if that was updated. I doubt it was because the doctors and dentists I see don't wear eye guards.

George Jones
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Reply to @Steve Simonds: FAUCCII .. You follow him... OMG..... Where ya been?? Hard to even think about that guy.. When I do it is not a good picture...

George Jones
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Reply to @Steve Simonds: The Platters - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes.. If smoke irritates your eyes well I think the smaller particles are in the virus.. "Virus Gets In Your Eyes".

George Jones
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Reply to @George Jones: I wonder what the experts say about the ears....

David Amos
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Reply to @Steve Simonds: What Mr Jones is talking about ain't rocket science Its just common sense which appears to be a rare attribute these days EH?

Robin Morin
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Reply to @Steve Simonds:
(LOL!... "Fauci"...)
Every freshmen bio student knows that the eyes are a primary entry point for ANY respiratory infection.

Robin Morin
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Reply to @George Jones:
My glasses fog up (on warm days) with only one on.

George Jones
12 harleys just went screamimg by my place.. Imagine they are not wearing masks....

David Amos
Reply to @George Jones: Let me know if you spot my old faithful 65 Panhead that the Fat Fred City Finest stole from me in 2007

George Jones
Reply to @David Amos: David I feel bad that happened to you.. A lot of guys I know love these bike.. They are without question beauties... And that 65 for sure must have been one of them...

David Amos
Reply to @George Jones: Look left It was all original including the paint

Troy Murray
Get your vaccines if you can, quit complaining about nothing important, and enjoy your life again. Easy Peary!


George Jones
Reply to @Troy Murray: Lets get rid of the masks....


Troy Murray
Reply to @George Jones: patience, grasshopper


David Amos
Reply to @Troy Murray: Dream on In case you didn't know it trust that the economy is about to take quite a nosedive


Maxime Babineau
I just posted that we have reached 74.2% today but it was deactivated. Strange.

David Amos
Reply to @Maxime Babineau: Its par for the course in this domain

John Grail
Small number of cases and nearly 75% of NBers are particularly vaccinated. Something tells me they have something to hide.


Steve Simonds
Reply to @John Grail: Do you work there and saw some hidden data?

John Grail
Reply to @Steve Simonds: Nope. Just that I have no doubt the government would be flaunting the statistics if they confirmed the vaccine narrative


Steve Simonds
Reply to @John Grail: You think it will be different than here where almost everyone hospitalized was not jabbed? https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-doctor-hospital-vaccine-hesitancy-1.6044904?fbclid=IwAR3uaHH3Pgq67MLwxNZqITip4-b6L0E0dQ-5erFb-by5B83UB5UiKEBVjAI


Myc Baker
Reply to @Steve Simonds: here’s a shocker…everyone has seen you post this link…move on to something new


John Grail
Reply to @Steve Simonds: They already had higher rates of infection than NB. Two very different cases


Jay Forner
Reply to @John Grail: The real numbers.

Jay Forner
Reply to @Steve Simonds: This source. That's were credibility is lost.


Lou Bell
Reply to @Jay Forner: " the real numbers " ! You THINK you have evidence the numbers aren't real ? Social media speculation , as usual !!


Steve Simonds
Reply to @Myc Baker: Lots can't figured it out or perhaps they didn't see it.


Steve Simonds
Reply to @John Grail: " They already had higher rates of infection than NB." That is quite irrelevant when you calculate the % infected who weren't vaxxed.

Steve Simonds
Reply to @Lou Bell: He keeps claiming CBC has no credibility but does he?

David Amos
Reply to @Steve Simonds: Do you?

John Grail

Reply to @Steve Simonds: Sure it is relevant. I guess initial conditions don't matter in science ad statistics?

Roy Kirk
Again with the default position being secrecy. New Brunswick has to get beyond that and treat the public with some respect. Publishing the statistics on break through cases is if nothing else good public education.

Steve Simonds
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Just read US data for fully vaxxed because it won't be any different other than possible blip here one way or the other because of small population.


Steve Simonds
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Actually US were 2nd vaxxed in 3 weeks so that will be interesting to compare to Canada in 5 months after everyone gets double vaxxed here.

Lou Bell
Reply to @Steve Simonds: " 2nd vaxxed in 3 weeks " !! HA ! Total BS !

David Amos
Reply to @Steve Simonds: Methinks little Lou ain't impressed with your credibility N'esy Pas?

Gerry Ferguson
can't wait until the morning news isn't headlined with COVID


Michael G. L. Geraldson
Reply to @Gerry Ferguson:
On that, we totally agree.Think I've had a dream or two about that.

David Amos
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: Methinks every day is Groundhog Day for Higgy for way over a year Every day he sees a shadow of a virus and makes another illegal pronouncement denying our rights then scrambles back into his hole N'esy Pas?

Michel Forgeron
Reply to @David Amos: Non, ce n'est pas.


David Amos
Reply to @Michel Forgeron: Have you been told lately?

Wally E. Bamberger
These vaccines are still experimental. This is an extremely important phase in the development of any new product. This is when indications are verified and precautions, warnings and contraindications are identified. Every bit of information, data and experience are critical before a final approval can be certified. Now, in the current rush to complete the emergency distribution, how many patients, when signing the informed consent, are properly and thoroughly instructed to report every experience? « less

Billy Popamahovilich
Reply to @Wally E. Bamberger: I know personally a few that were hospitalized with heart issues from the vax. Most were told by hospital staff “not to tell”. Who is their puppet master?


David Amos
Reply to @Billy Popamahovilich: This is in the Globe and Mail
Concerns grow over risk of rare heart condition from COVID-19 vaccine in young men
Wency Leung Health Reporter
Published June 12, 2021
Updated 5 hours ago


David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: CTV
Heart inflammation in young men higher than expected after Pfizer, Moderna vaccines: U.S. CDC
Michael Erman and Manojna Maddipatla
Reuters Staff
Published Thursday, June 10, 2021 10:26AM EDT


David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Even Global News was yapping about it
Heart inflammation cases higher in 16-24 age group after 2nd mRNA COVID-19 shot: CDC
By Michael Erman Reuters
Posted June 10, 2021 11:39 am

Billy Popamahovilich
Reply to @David Amos: yes. Saw that this morning

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-roundup-vaccination-target-closer-1.6064120#

N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Province falls short of 75% vaccination target; 7 new cases reported

74.6% of eligible New Brunswickers have been vaccinated with first dose

Isabelle Leger · CBC News · Posted: Jun 13, 2021 10:12 AM AT

New Brunswick remains just shy of the 75% vaccination target needed to move to the first phase of reopening. (Paul Chiasson/The Canadian Press)

New Brunswick still hasn't quite hit the vaccination target needed to move to the first phase of reopening in the province.

As of Sunday morning, 517,265 New Brunswickers, or 74.6 per cent of the eligible population, have a first dose COVID-19 vaccine.

That means 3,096 people received first doses on Saturday.

The province had hoped to reach the 75 per cent threshold by June 7. But one week later, and the province is just shy of that goal.

Several walk-in vaccination clinics were open over the weekend with no appointments required, in an effort to get more New Brunswickers vaccinated.

A walk-in clinic in St. Stephen is open Sunday at the Garcelon Civic Centre from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m.

97 active cases

New Brunswick Public Health reported seven new cases of COVID-19 Sunday. There are now 97 active cases in the province.

Here's a breakdown of the new cases:

In the Fredericton region, Zone 3:

two people 19 and under,
a person 60 to 69.

In the Bathurst region, Zone 6:

a person 19 and under.
two people 60 to 69.
a person 70 to 79.

All seven cases are contacts of previously confirmed cases.

There are four patients in hospital in New Brunswick, including one in intensive care. There is one patient in hospital outside of the province.

There have now been 2,298 cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick and 2,155 recoveries.

A total of 350,768 tests have been conducted, including 697 Saturday.

Confirmed case at École Marie-Esther

Public Health reported a positive case of COVID-19 at École Marie-Esther in Shippagan Sunday.

Parents and staff have been notified and will get a message from Public Health should they need to isolate.

The school has not determined if the case will impact in-person learning.

Latest public exposures

Public Health has identified potential public exposures to the virus in the Acadie-Bathurst region, Zone 6:

McDonald's, 3458 Main St, Tracadie, June 10 between 11:30 a.m. and 2 p.m.
McDonald's, 3458 Main St, Tracadie, June 7 between 12:30 p.m. and 2:30 p.m.
Le Camp à Rejean, 10226 Route 150, Six Roads, June 6 between 4 p.m. and closing.
L'église de la Paroisse St-Jérôme de Shippagan,110, University St., Shippagan

Public Health is offering COVID-19 testing to anyone who has been in a public exposure area, even if they are not experiencing any symptoms. Residents may request a test online or call Tele-Care 811.

People experiencing one or more symptoms are also encouraged to get tested.

Previous public exposures

Public Health has identified numerous potential public exposures to the coronavirus in many communities across the province, so many that it has stopped listing them individually in its daily news release.

A detailed list of the potential exposures, including the locations and dates, is available on the government's COVID-19 website. It is updated regularly.

What to do if you have a symptom

People concerned they might have COVID-19 symptoms can take a self-assessment test online.

Public Health says symptoms shown by people with COVID-19 have included:

Fever above 38 C.
New cough or worsening chronic cough.
Sore throat.
Runny nose.
Headache.
New onset of fatigue, muscle pain, diarrhea, loss of sense of taste or smell.
Difficulty breathing.

In children, symptoms have also included purple markings on the fingers and toes.

People with one of those symptoms should:

Stay at home.
Call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor.
Describe symptoms and travel history.
Follow instructions.

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Ferdinand Boudreau
I would think should be at 75% either Monday or Tuesday. If not its close enough and let move on.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Ferdinand Boudreau: One thing that's happening June 14-18 is students 12-15 being bused to clinics for first doses. That will add to the numbers - we're likely to end up with > 75%.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Randy McNally: Per the GNB website, students will need a consent form signed by their parents and a Medicare card to be vaccinated.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Randy McNally: "Thanks for that because children are known to forge their parents signatures from time to time but the medicare cards would present a bit more of a challenge." - Ha! I thought the same time. Yeah, I was that kind of kid. :-) The other thing may happen too - consent forms and Medicare cards getting conveniently "lost" on the way to school among kids who don't want to be vaccinated.
The other thing to be aware of is that under the NB Medical Consent of Minors Act, children under 16 who are assessed by a medical professional as being sufficiently "mature" can consent to medical treatments and procedures on their own. However, at this time at least the government appears to be seeking parental consent for COVID vaccinations.

David Amos

Reply to @Randy McNally: Methinks Higgy et al are confused by the fact that I am giggling at the fact that they illegally denied my right to renew my Medicare Card for many years Hence I can sue them anytime I wish. However in the Mean" Time I can't be jabbed with their experimental concoction even if I wanted to because I don't posses a current Medicare Card they demand Catch 22 N'esy Pas?

Vincent Furnier

Reply to @David Amos: Why don't you just sue them and get it over with? All you ever complain about is how you're going to sue the government for some crazy perceived slight against you. Jeez just do it all ready.

Samantha Jones

Come on people!

John Grail

Reply to @Samantha Jones: Yeah really. Wake up and smell the government coercion!

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: Interesting people are lining up, booking appointments for the vaccine. Does not appear to be coercion. It seems most believe that the vaccines are helpful in mitigating the effects of this virus. If you are part of the crowd that doesn't believe we need the vaccines that all will be fine without them. Well I guess there are always those on the fringe that feel left out or pressured when in reality there is none.

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Oh please. Holding freedom over people's heads? Come on John...

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: Again thou dost protest too much

David Amos

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Methinks you are the wannabe lawyer dude who doth protest too much about Mr Grail's right to his post his opinions N'esy Pas?

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: No one is holding freedom over peoples head. That may be your interpretation, but not the majorities.

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: By closing borders, stores, stay at home orders, etc. those are all restrictions of freedoms. Namely freedom of assembly.

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: True except you neglect to mention that the governments invoked the emergency measures act that provides them with the latitude to restrict those freedoms temporarily in the event of an emergency. So nothing to do with penalizing 1 group over the other. We are all being treated equally

Terry Tibbs

Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
None of those other places have the 3 stooges attempting to run things. NONE of them would put up the non-stop BS coming from the 3 stooges and there would likely be marching in the streets if they were subjected to this BS.
Here in NB, between the government, and the Irvings, the population is properly cowed.

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @Terry Tibbs: I suggest that is a tainted view. In each of those other jurisdictions on a comparative basis, their health care systems are much better. They have elasticity in the staffing with more than adequate resources than we have in NB. We certainly could have reopened at 60% but if we were to get a 100 cases with 75 of them requiring ICU beds and ventilators we would be past the breaking point.
The reason for our relative success compared to other jurisdictions is that we have remained steadfast on the controls. Is it a pain in the A,,, Yes but it has worked and at the end of the day the extra few days is really not a material issue in my mind.

Terry Tibbs

Reply to @JOhn D Bond:
And whose fault is that?
We continue to give our natural resources, that should be funding health care, to the Irvings.
But wait, the perfect excuse is currently happening for Mr Higgs to take a bow over increased revenues, inflated house prices are going to drive up residential taxes (but not commercial, or woodland, taxes). Happy trails.

David Amos

Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks Higgy's bosses and their greasy gassy oily buddies in Texas ain't very Happy Happy Happy these days N'esy Pas?

Paul Estey

Reply to @James Smythe: enough of conspiracy theories...pleas explain how the numbers have been fudged!

David Amos

Reply to @Paul Estey: I repeat Are you the former member of the Fat Fed City Finest???

John Grail

Here we go again...Seems like every day they are trying to create discord among Canadians.

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: Hardly they are providing updates to the majority of Canadians that want to be kept up to date. Perhaps causes discord for those that think they know better.

Jay Forner

Reply to @John Grail: Grail is right, Bond is not.

Tim Jones

Reply to @Jay Forner: It is time for a common sense revolution in this country.

Don Corey

Reply to @Jay Forner: No, you are wrong. He is right on.

Tim Jones

Reply to @Wendell Bouchard: please explain! I've followed the rules, I've done my part, I've studied the numbers and recognize that the country lacks a certain amount of common sense. I'm well known for mine, but your observation from one or two posts surely must be worth hearing. Please feel free to elaborate rather than simply try to intimidate and bully with childish one-liners. If it's a right-vs-left ideology argument then you've likely said the most you're capable of.

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Yes, you think you know better because you are appealing to the majority...

John Grail

Reply to @Don Corey: How is he right? Higgs has been scapegoating people from day one!

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Even if my comments are only half true they are still more true than your comments

David Amos

Reply to @John Grail & @Wendell Bouchard : BINGO

Roy Kirk

Reply to @Jay Forner: citing scripture now?

Roy Kirk

Reply to @Don Corey: you must be reading from a different holy book

Wendell Bouchard

Reply to @Tim Jones: Nothing to do with politics. No point in me saying much, nine out of ten of my posts get eliminated. This one likely will too.

Jay Forner

Reply to @Don Corey: sources???

Jay Forner

Reply to @Tim Jones: Your talking to a Timmy.

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: You are the one that started the personal insults. Simply because you can't debate in a civilized and rational way don't keep taking it out on me...

David Amos

Reply to @John Grail: Well put

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: "more true than your comments" guess this is now a conversation of 12 yr old's. Hilarious more right that wrong. I have to ask. What precisely is the evaluation criteria you are using? Clearly it is not the body of evidence being provided by experts and governments globally or the regulatory bodies.

JOhn D Bond

Reply to @John Grail: Its not about a debate, it is about being grounded in reality. The overwhelming body of evidence that shows the vaccines are safe. That our governments are doing what they were elected to do. Keep people informed on the progress of major initiatives undertaken by the government on behalf of the voters. That you do not agree personally is fine, that you try to discount all the steps the government is taking is not fine.

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: It has nothing to do with safety (well very little). Since when have I made any major argument about my decision not to get vaccinated based on that?

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: The fact you cannot even seem to read what I am replying to you is telling...

John Grail

Reply to @JOhn D Bond: I was not the one who started flinging ad hominem attacks. You were.

Tim Jones

Here we go! So we are 0.4% away from 75% and they won't allow us the carrot! However, when we hit 75%, we are opening to Cumberland County, whom I believe has less than 70% vaccinated. Let's not forget the snowbirds that we haven't quite figured out a way to count how many have been vaccinated, but we had no difficulty tracking their infections and using that number to add to our own and instil unwarranted fear in the populous (bear in mind that these out-of-province infections were hidden from us at the beginning and just recently published with true transparency). I did my part, I am not an anti-vaxxer, I have both shots. I participated, wore my mask, stayed away from my friends.... but is there any surprise that many of us are simply done with it and can't be bothered with the rules any longer? Anyone else tired of Russel, HIggs, and Cardy wagging their fingers at us and reading from a script that sounds like a grade 9 oral report designed to shame and patronize us? Live your lives people, stop shaming each other, stop worrying, we did our part, we flattened the curve 70 weeks ago. Show them who they work for.

Jay Forner

Reply to @Tim Jones: perfectly said!!

Sherrie McLean

Reply to @Tim Jones: what about those who have already had covid? Or do they just ignore that little bit of science?

David Amos

Reply to @Sherrie McLean: Well put

Terry Tibbs

Reply to @Sherrie McLean:
If you haven't noticed this affair is about 40% science and about 60% political.

David Amos

Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Cui Bono???

Methinks everything is political and its always about the money so I always ask myself that simple question out of the gates (small pun) for obvious reasons particularly after my dealings with the WHO FLU and Dr Russell's predecessors in GNB 2009 N'esy Pas?

Louis Leger

Reply to @Tim Jones: It's obvious that many of the commenters here would flip all their marbles if suddenly it was god enough to end a hockey period at 19:47 instead of 20:00.

Michael Collins

let's just round up like they do at the cash register.

Tim Jones

Reply to @Michael Collins: It's good enough for taking our money, but not enough to restore our liberties.

Peter G Bourne

Reply to @Tim Jones: Liberties?!

David Amos

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: Good question

Tim Jones

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: sorry, I forgot there was a large contingent of people who don't understand big words, let me define: Liberty: the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Tim Jones: The wiggle word in there is "oppressive." Some people consider traffic signals to be oppressive, while others consider them to be a reasonable way of decreasing traffic accidents. For almost any regulation you can come up with, someone is going to claim it's oppressive and someone else is going to claim it's good sense.

John Grail

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Who considers traffic signals oppressive?

David Amos

Reply to @John Grail: I do

Jay Forner

Until the lift the crazy mask mandate. This is all useless.

John Montgomery

Reply to @Jay Forner: They are doing this so they can lift the mask mandate.

David Amos

Reply to @John Montgomery: Dream on

Jay Forner

Reply to @John Montgomery: and before you know it! They won't happen. Haven't you seen the pattern the last 15 months. They'll give ya a week.....then shit it down because cases went up....or a new variant is coming....haha. just enough to keep ya guessing. Fooled.

Robin Morin

Reply to @John Montgomery:
Keep leaping towards that carrot, John.

David Amos

Reply to @Robin Morin: Well put

Troy Thomas

Can someone answer me this question…if I don’t get the vaccine who does that hurt other than me ?

Peter G Bourne

Reply to @Troy Thomas: You would be more susceptible to the virus, thereby increasing the chance to pass it on. Seems pretty obvious ...

Paul Estey

Reply to @Troy Thomas: I believe this question has been answered many times...if you were infected you can pass it along to others, even those that have been vaccinated as no vaccine is 100 %...its not rocket science

Steve Simonds

Reply to @Troy Thomas: YOu can cost the system a lot of money like these guys are doing. MB is overrun with Covid patients, so they shipped patients to 3 other provinces. One died on the air ambulance pad, just an hour or so after he walked into a Winnipeg hospital https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winkler-doctor-hospital-vaccine-hesitancy-1.6044904?fbclid=IwAR3uaHH3Pgq67MLwxNZqITip4-b6L0E0dQ-5erFb-by5B83UB5UiKEBVjAI.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: But who would Troy pass it on to, other than people who have also made the choice not to be vaccinated? The answer is, of course, that vaccination does not provide 100% protection. This is especially true in people with a weakened immune response, such as seniors. So Troy could in fact pass the virus on to someone who's been vaccinated twice. The other issue is that a pool of unvaccinated people is a pool in which new variants can develop.
Me personally, I think that everyone should be able to choose whether or not to get vaccinated. However, it's not 100% without risks to others. Making that choice may have consequences such as being unable to travel internationally, being unable to get certain kinds of jobs, etc.

Myc Baker

Reply to @Steve Simonds: always on brand

Steve Simonds

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Besides the cost to the system of dealing with his disease, there are breakthrough Covid infections that non vaxxed infected people carry, and which can infect and kill a few fully vaxxed people.

Myc Baker

Reply to @Steve Simonds: suppose you have documented proof of this statement…I’ll wait for you to post the same link you always post

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Steve Simonds: As I said, the vaccine does not provide 100% protection.

Myc Baker

Reply to @Steve Simonds: how about this stat…100% of confirmed cases on the Celebrity Millennium are from vaxed individuals…stats are stats nesy pas?

Sherrie McLean

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: pass it on to a vaccinated person?

Sherrie McLean

Reply to @Steve Simonds: imagine the cost that the obesity, lack of exercise, smoking, alcohol abuse, poor diet has on the healthcare system!

Graeme Scott

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Thoughtful post and well balanced. The way I see you certainly have the right to refuse to be vaccinated but not the right to expect no consequences from that decision.

Roy Kirk

Reply to @Myc Baker: Figures don't lie, but . . .
2 out of 500 passengers, 95% of which were fully faxed, according to ctv

Troy Thomas

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: my understanding is if you get vaccinated you can still get covid and give it to anyone including vaccinated people…so I see no difference between vaccinated and non vaccinated people…so the issue is the health care system ,that a percentage of my tax dollars pay for…I’m heathy and a very low risk of even getting anything any more than a mild flu like symptoms at least that’s what the numbers say…so the issue is I “ might “ need the health care I pay for ?

Troy Thomas

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: did you not hear the vaccination doesn’t stop you from getting covid or spreading it…you must be a rocket scientist too

Steve Simonds

Reply to @Troy Thomas: There is no dilemma when determining this line to draw. Get the vax and stop infecting others.

Steve Simonds

Reply to @Troy Thomas: Do you have anything more recent than this? https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/yes-vaccines-block-most-transmission-of-covid-19

Troy Thomas

Reply to @Steve Simonds: sounds like this isn’t going to go away even for all you vaccinated people

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Troy Thomas: "my understanding is if you get vaccinated you can still get covid and give it to anyone including vaccinated people" - Correct. "...so I see no difference between vaccinated and non vaccinated people" - Incorrect. Once you're vaccinated, your risks of transmitting the vaccine are reduced. You therefore present less of a risk to other people. That's the difference.

Steve Simonds

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: I tried to post an April 21 article from Science magazine that said Pfizer prevents transmission. but it is under moderation.

George Jones

Reply to @Troy Thomas: You are right on.. If vaccinated or un vaccinated it still spreads. Transmission will always be there with the new technology. In the old and the compromised as well as healthy people the efficacy can be quite low as experts have said many times especially with the India variant but there are more nasty ones on the horizon.. The way of the invented virus I suppose.. Both sides are very courageous in their choice.. There are no winners at this moment in time.. The alternatives have made a good dent in a positive way.. So whether you decide for the experiment or not everything appears to be what it is.. There is no guarantee as far as the future goes....

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Troy Thomas: No, it's not going to "go away." The purpose of vaccination is to reduce (not eliminate) transmission, hospitalizations and deaths. I got vaccinated (just one dose so far, 2nd one coming July 7) in order to reduce my risk of having a severe or fatal case. If it doesn't for you, that's fine, but you might find there are consequences to your choice, as I mentioned above.

Steve Simonds

Reply to @George Jones: April 21 article says most transmission is blocked.

Howard O'Toole

Reply to @Myc Baker: regarding the 2 cases on the Celebrity Millennium, remember we don't know all the pertinent information regarding the vaccination status of every passenger. 95% of the 500 guests were supposed to be vaccinated and all were tested within 72 hours of departure. However guests who couldn't receive the vaccine such as children, were not vaccinated. The two positive cases at the end of the cruise were asymptomatic, which obviously is the goal of the vaccines. So they did seem to prevent serious illness and hospitalization. And keep in mind we have no information on ages and health status of the two. This is not necessarily evidence of vaccine failure.

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Steve Simonds: Not finding the April 21 article. There's an article from 30 Mar 2021 that says that studies suggest that fully vaccinated people pose a low risk of transmitting the virus. Note "suggest" and "low" (vs "no"). Nature magazine mentions a study published 30 Apr 2021 that says one dose can halve transmission risks.

George Jones

Reply to @Howard O'Toole: It will be years before all the pertinent info comes in...At some point I say the fall things will change back to some form of normalcy.. The new technology is not a cure and not even close to the vaccines that have been around for a long time... Some experts are saying the new technology will catch up the to the number of deaths from the people that died from complications of Sars Cov 2.. As far as transmission with the Delta variant it is 50% or less depending on ones immune system...

SarahRose Werner

Reply to @Steve Simonds: "Taken together, the evidence shows that full vaccination with either mRNA vaccine cuts risk of infection by at least half after one dose, and by 75 to 90 percent two weeks after the second dose." - 75 to 90 percent is fantastic! I'm delighted to read this. However, it's not 100%.

Troy Thomas

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: right my choice

Steve Simonds

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: I'm also delighted. I hadn't googled it in the last 4 months.

Steve Simonds

Reply to @Troy Thomas: If it's your choice to infect others, you have lots of time to argue with the premier because C isn't going away. I'm delighted that you spurred me to Google for an update.

George Jones

Reply to @Steve Simonds: They are still guesses at this time.. For every article there is an opposite one..

David Amos

Reply to @George Jones: Good Morning Mr Jones Please enjoy a little Deja Vu of some of your words yesterday Methinks they are well worth repeating Nesy Pas?

"Here is a test.. Put three masks over your face. Then put your glasses in front of your masks and blow into them.. They will fog up.. that tells ya something...."

George Jones

Reply to @George Jones: A lot of info out there from both sides of the fence...Trust is out the window in a lot of articles looking at even both sides.. Some continue to sleep though......

Maxime Babineau

Reply to @David Amos: I have to ask because every time I read your comments I find them interesting but then I always think that you are making fun of, us being francophones. Methinks and n'esy pas why do you have to say that?

Steve Simonds

Reply to @George Jones: How about providing the opposite article instead of just making that claim.

Jay Forner

Reply to @Peter G Bourne: U had the shot though? Pass it on to who? Another person who chose not to vaccinated, I guess they'll take their chances and live with the high recovery rate. Oh wait....gonna strain the health system?. They couldn't strain it with fudged numbers to begin with .

Jay Forner

Reply to @Steve Simonds: strain the system. You've drank their kool-aid. It worked. The system was way more strained prior. They even tried to fudge the number and it just isant adding up. Wait for it. Another 90 year old on the way.

George Jones

Reply to @Maxime Babineau: Maxime there is no intent for being hurtful from Dave.. He cares.. He has put himself out there concerning all of us.. He keeps gobbermment on their toes.. I've read a few of his comments that went back and forth with the government. I have 32% francais in me and I don't see any of that in Dave.. I must admit though that we have to come up with better ways of dealing with the French English issue.. One example having one French child going on a school bus and passing a full English bus plus..

George Jones

Reply to @Jay Forner: So true...

Jay Forner

Reply to @George Jones: I love your music brother!! :;

Michael Cain

Reply to @Troy Thomas: do what you want, but respect others, keep your distance and wear a mask

Troy Thomas

Reply to @Sherrie McLean: great confidence in the vaccine….if I get vaccinated it will make Steve Simtones vaccine gooder right Steven

Troy Thomas

Reply to @Steve Simonds: if I get vaccinated Steve will it make your vaccination gooder

Troy Thomas

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: I’m guessing these studies are a lot of guessing too…remember originally wearing a mask didn’t help now it’s our saviour…these guys running the show are guessing and hoping they are right.

David Amos

Reply to @Maxime Babineau: I did reply

Maxime Babineau

Reply to @George Jones: The bus for one French kid is an urban myth, never happened and would never happen. Go right ahead, put all the children on one bus. Guess what would happen? Would the driver have to be bilingual? Who will complain then?

Maxime Babineau

Reply to @David Amos: Never saw it. Was it deactivated?

David Amos

Reply to @Maxime Babineau: Yup

Billy Popamahovilich

Reply to @Myc Baker: and from the CBC no less.

Billy Popamahovilich

Reply to @Roy Kirk: ANother reliable source. CTV

Roy Kirk

Reply to @Billy Popamahovilich: more reliable and better informed then someone posting here that a hundred percent of the cases on the ship have been vaccinated. Without any supporting information.

Jon Berry

Reply to @Troy Thomas: Vaccination is your choice/right, only you can decide. But remember some of your freedoms may be very restricted while still remains to be seen.

David Amos

Reply to @Jon Berry: Methinks everybody with two clues between their ears knows our freedoms have been illegally restricted for way past too long. Hence Higgy et al sought immunity for their minions after they had willfully practiced many wrongs under a Doctor's dubious orders for over a year N'esy Pas?

Louis Leger

Reply to @Troy Thomas: It depends in your lifestyle. If you never leave your house under any circumstances, then it doesn't matter what you do in any regard. If however you do take part in society, then there are basic things that you can do to help people around you, or at the very least not make their situation worse.

Dan Roy

Keep us locked in we are still . 4 % too dangerous. By tomorrow a miracle will arrive…the sweet 75

David Amos

Reply to @Dan Roy: Surely you jest

Jackie Barrett

Reply to @Dan Roy: That's the problem with Higgs and Russell, they are too rigid as opposed to being a little flexible like other provinces are doing.

john carter

Reply to @Dan Roy:
It really is a joke isn't it.

Lou Bell

Reply to @Jackie Barrett: Like Nova Scotia ! RIGHT ???

David Amos

Reply to @john carter: Yup

Roy Kirk

The Province on the whole is doing well; very close to the Target. How about the legislature? Have they been able to achieve the same Target? Or are they holding us back?

Lou Bell

Reply to @Roy Kirk: Like everyone else , that would be a PRIVATE matter . They're not obligated to say .

David Amos

Reply to @Lou Bell: So you say

Frank MacPhee

Can anyone confirm that: starting tomorrow, anyone who had one dose on or before April 30 can book their 2nd dose

Reply to @Frank MacPhee: Iirc, yes....and on June 21, anyone who had their first dose 28 days before that can book a second appointment.

Reply to @Frank MacPhee: Google "covid-19 vaccines" "second dose clinics". You're looking for the page titled "COVID-19 Vaccines - Government of New Brunswick." Open that page and click "Second dose clinics" towards the right-hand side of the page.

Reply to @Bob Smith: My wife and I got our first shot in mid May.

The pharmacist gave us our next appointment in mid August as soon as she finished the shots.

Reply to @Frank MacPhee: That's what the NB government web page says. As of June 14th those who received their first vaccination in APRIL after the 1st.

Reply to @Wendell Bouchard: If you want it sooner, try calling on or after June 21 to see if you can rebook. Starting that date anyone who's had their first shot at least 28 days before can book an appointment for a second dose.

Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: I doubt anyone who had their first shot before April 1 and who hasn't made an appointment for a second shot yet would be turned down. :-)

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Intend to do just that.

Reply to @SarahRose Werner: The web page says anyone who had their first shot before April 1 are eligible. Anybody after in April is June 14th. I spoke with someone at Public Health and the time frame between shots is about 8 weeks.

Reply to @Kate LeBlanc: I got my first shot April 21 and have an appointment to get my second on July 7, i.e. 11 weeks. Certainly Public Health was encouraging anyone who got their first shot before April 1 to call last week for an appointment. But I would hardly think that if someone who got their first shot in March called this coming week instead, they'd be told, sorry, you missed your chance, you don't get a second shot. That wouldn't make any sense.

David Amos

Reply to @Wendell Bouchard: Methinks Higgy et al trust that I am overjoyed about the news you freely offer about health concerns that should be a matter of your family's personal privacy N'esy Pas?

Harvey York

Reply to @David Amos: says the guy who's on here daily complaining about his lack of Medicare. Perhaps Higgy et al are overjoyed about the news you freely offer up

David Raymond Amos Round 3

Saturday 12 June 2021