Friday, 10 May 2024

Education minister says francophone schools are following Policy 713

 

Education minister says francophone schools are following Policy 713

Bill Hogan says district education councils can avoid showdown if they reflect reality on their websites

New Brunswick's education minister is stepping back from the brink of a legal battle with three francophone district education councils over their gender-identity policies.

Bill Hogan claims he has anecdotal evidence that a majority of schools in the three districts are following the province's Policy 713, despite what the councils are saying and have posted on their websites. 

And he said if those councils would only reflect that reality online, there would be no need to escalate the dispute. 

"The information that I have is that the schools are following the provincial policy but the DECs don't want to have change what they have written down. And I don't understand why they want to pick a fight about nothing," he told reporters.

If the councils would "quit pretending" that schools aren't following Policy 713, the situation won't escalate and "life will go on," he said. "Let's get on with it."

Hogan wouldn't say exactly how the information is reaching him.

"I'm getting it through a variety of sources, from teachers. I get it from my staff," he said.

"I would invite the DECs to maybe talk to teachers and see what they're doing. … I don't have any reason to question what people have told me." 

WATCH | 'An argument about nothing': Minister on francophone districts and Policy 713:
 

Education minister steps back from showdown with francophone education councils

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Bill Hogan says schools are following Policy 713 and if councils acknowledge that, he can avoid a legal fight.

Earlier this week, Hogan appeared to threaten the three councils with dissolution, the same process he plans to launch against the Anglophone East district education council.

But on Friday he refused to say whether the "process" he talks about following would involve dissolution.

Changes to Policy 713 last year require school staff to obtain the consent of parents if a student under the age of 16 wants to adopt a new name and pronoun at school that reflects their gender identity.

People holding up pride flag in foreground, legistlative assembly in background. Earlier this week, Hogan threatened to dissolve francophone district education councils for refusing to adopt the province's version of Policy 713. (Radio-Canada)

Those changes are the subject of two legal challenges that argue they violate the equality rights of 2SLGBTQ+ students under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

The three francophone districts have adopted identical policies on implementing 713 that allow students in Grade 6 or older to adopt new names and pronouns.

Hogan has demanded that they repeal those policies, but they remain on district websites as of this week.

"Our position still hasn't changed," Francophone South chair Michel Côté said at an education council meeting Wednesday night.

Côté could not be reached for comment on Hogan's statements.

Francophone Northeast spokesperson Brigitte Couturier said the district had no comment.

Francophone Northwest spokesperson Alain Sirois referred reporters to the district's Policy 4.17 on its website — the policy that Hogan wants repealed, which allows students in Grade 6 and above to choose new names and pronouns.

"This is the policy that is currently in effect," he said in an email.

Experts say Hogan would face an uphill battle trying to dissolve the three francophone districts because Section 23 of the Charter guarantees the right of minority-language communities to manage their own schools.

Opposition Liberal Leader Susan Holt said Hogan's comments suggested he realized a legal showdown with the francophone education councils would not end well for him.

"He knows that he can't dissolve the francophone DECs and he's looking for an excuse to cover up his tracks." 

Hogan acknowledged that he'd rather avoid legal battles. 

A woman with light hair and glasses stares as she is asked a question in a hallway. Liberal Leader Susan Holt said Hogan's comments reflect him backing down from challenging the district education councils. (Ed Hunter/CBC)

He said his deputy minister and assistant deputy minister in the francophone sector are talking to the three councils to try to sort things out.

"We're trying to come to some resolution here that doesn't require further, more drastic, steps and following the process as is laid out." 

He would not provide a deadline.

"I'm going to let them work until they say that they're not having any success."

Meanwhile, Premier Blaine Higgs wouldn't say whether his cabinet had adopted an order-in-council at its meeting this week to launch the legal application to dissolve the Anglophone East council. 

The process requires a cabinet order and an application to the Court of King's Bench. 

"I won't speak to a cabinet decision at this point until it becomes public," he said.

"But I think the minister has been very clear that would be the next step."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

 
 
 
97 Comments
 
 
David Amos 
Methinks somebody blinked N'esy Pas  
 
 
 
rayma allaby 
interesting....just the other day they were saying that francophone council was gonna be dissolved
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to rayma allaby 
First polls must have come in...

David Amos 
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Yea Right
  
David Wilson 
Reply to rayma allaby  
Also shelved the forced drug treatment policy.  
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Wilson 
Actually the minister said she will review the policy after the election.


 
Walter Vrbetic
Polling numbers must have come in... and didn't look good thus the walk back.
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Dream on
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Election just months off... think polls aren't on their mind?
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Dream on
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Election just months off... think polls aren't on their mind?
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Nobody cares If you lived here then you would understand that the poll that counts to Maritimers is the one polling day.
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Be happy... don't worry! 
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Do you have any idea who I am???
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos  
Why would think I care... in any way, shape or form?
 
David Amos

Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Because you are a liberal spin doctor who is not familiar with the Maritimes 
 
Harvey York 

Reply to Walter Vrbetic 
There's a lovely site called encyclopedia dramatica that has a wonderful biography on Amos
 
David Amos
Reply to Walter Vrbetic
Bingo
 
Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
See, you can be happy... if you don't worry!

Not much effort required.

Walter Vrbetic
Reply to David Amos 
Was it the I-23 that gave it to you?
  
 
 
Jake Newman     
haha, gonna be great when Higgs wins another majority.
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to Jake Newman
Don't hold your breathe.
 
Graham McCormack
Reply to Jake Newman
You must be dreaming.
 
David Amos
Reply to Graham McCormack
I think you both are
 
 
 
Ralph Steinberg 
"Bill Hogan claims he has anecdotal evidence".............

The new conservatives.........working on anecdotal evidence.....slow clap.

Sarah Brown 
Reply to Ralph Steinberg 
Anecdotal evidence... the most reliable type of evidence... NOT
 
David Amos

Reply to Ralph Steinberg   
Methinks you mean bull crap N'esy Pas?
 
David Amos
Reply to Sarah Brown 
I concur
 
 
 
Ernesto Rafael 
Pen to paper, if you want to change the name of a kid without parental knowledge or consent, then be prepared to adopt and have them moved into your house.  
 
Graham McCormack
Reply to Ernesto Rafael  
Who do you think is changing the names?
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Ernesto Rafael  
I believe it has to do with pronouns.
 
David Amos
Reply to Ernesto Rafael   
Now there is good idea
 
 
 
Graham McCormack 
This man is so full of it his eyes are brown.

Stop pretending they are following the policy when they told you that they are not. I guess the anecdotal evidence must be similar to the two emails he received complaining about the policy in the first place.

David Amos
Reply to Graham McCormack
Howcome you can say such things but I cannot?
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman  
Welcome to the circus
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman
You took the word right out of my mouth  
 
 
 
Lou Bell 
 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to Lou Bell 
So by your logic, parents need to be informed when little William wants to be called Bill, Will, Willy or Billy. Sounds like a lot of paperwork.
 
Frank Wadden  
Reply to Kyle Woodman  
Having to report home for every nick name a kid has
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Frank Wadden  
It's about pronouns, not names, which is even more insane.
 
Howard Otoole 
Reply to Lou Bell  
For clarification, Policy 713 is a policy not a law. As such it is a guideline that may in fact contravene the laws of the land as outlined in the Charter of Rights. In fact the legality is before the Courts.
 
Graham McCormack 
Reply to Lou Bell 
Once again you show that you do not understand the issue.
 
David Amos
Reply to Graham McCormack 
Do you?
 
John Lee
Reply to MR Cain  
"Changes to Policy 713 last year require school staff to obtain the consent of parents if a student under the age of 16 wants to adopt a new name"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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