Tuesday 11 January 2022

Province may revisit mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, says Higgs

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-mandatory-vaccines-covid-19-higgs-1.6310259


Province may revisit mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, says Higgs

Contentious issue was discussed briefly during national call between prime minister and premiers Monday

He made the comment Monday evening during an interview with CBC's Power & Politics, following a call with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and the other premiers.

Until now, New Brunswick has maintained that education regarding vaccines is the key.

But the Omicron variant is spreading rapidly, and case counts and hospitalizations are surging.

A record-high of 86 people are hospitalized because of the virus Monday, including 13 in intensive care. Ten people are on ventilators.

Hundreds of health-care workers are off sick or isolating, and hospitals are at the red COVID alert level, providing emergency or urgent services only.

"I think it's something that will get further discussion in New Brunswick, and probably across the country," said Higgs, who tested positive for COVID-19 on Dec. 29 with a rapid test after receiving two doses of AstraZeneca and a booster vaccine.

"Several" members of his immediate family, who were also fully vaccinated and received their booster doses, also subsequently tested positive.

Last Thursday, federal Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos said provinces are likely to introduce mandatory vaccination policies in the coming months to deal with surging COVID-19 caseloads.

"What we see now is that our health care system in Canada is fragile, our people are tired, and the only way that we know to get through COVID-19, this variant and any future variant, is through vaccination," Duclos said.

"Fifty per cent of hospitalizations now, in Quebec, are due to people not having been vaccinated," he said. "That's a burden on health care workers, a burden on society which is very difficult to bear and for many people difficult to understand.

"That's why I'm signalling this is a conversation which I believe provinces and territories, in support with the federal government, will want to have over the next weeks and months."

Public patience 'wearing thin' toward unvaccinated

Higgs said the topic received "very limited discussion" during the premiers' call with the prime minister.

There are "varying views" across the country, he said.

He noted the New Brunswick Legislature voted in 2020-21 on proposed legislation to strengthen mandatory-vaccination rules for schoolchildren. The open vote on Education Minister Dominic Cardy's bill to eliminate some exemptions was defeated 22-20.

Higgs said he voted in favour, but "there are varied opinions, and very strong opinions."

Still, that was more than a year ago and "people are wearing a little thin" on patience toward the unvaccinated, he said.

"They don't see why they have to have restrictions when they … have gone … the extra mile and got vaccinated.

"So it is becoming more and more of an issue."

People seem to be more willing to get vaccinated when it's required for certain social activities that affect them, Higgs observed.

"We have seen it — whether your kids are on a sports team and you want to go to the game, or in Quebec … you want to go to the liquor store, you have to be vaccinated.

"When it affects people personally, then it seems to become readily an option."

Goal is more than 90% fully vaccinated

Just last Friday, during a COVID briefing, Health Minister Dorothy Shephard told reporters mandatory vaccination wasn't on the table.

"At this time, it's not a point of discussion," she said.

During that briefing, Shephard announced the health-care system will likely be "tested like never before" in the coming weeks.

"It is a serious issue, but we maintain right now that education, pushing for those to get vaccinated, showing the differences that the vaccine makes … that will be the path we'll stay on for the near future," she said.

"I can't say what happens down the road. But there isn't any place in Canada that is looking at mandates."

Higgs said he's hoping the province will be able to get more than 90 per cent of the population fully vaccinated and boosted, "and it will kind of be OK."

But mandatory vaccines "is a dialogue that we likely will have again in New Brunswick."

As of Monday, 83.2 per cent of eligible New Brunswickers have received two doses, 90.8 per cent have received one dose, and 26 per cent have received a booster dose.

According to CBC's vaccine tracker, 79.1 per cent of the province's total population is double-dosed and 86.4 per cent have received at least one dose.

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703 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
My patience is wearing thin with the government twisting the way it presents its numbers. 86 hospital beds = 4% of the hospital beds in NB. 15% are empty, 81% are occupied for reasons other than COVID. 13 ICU beds = 9% of the ICU beds in NB. 38% are empty, 53% are occupied for reasons other than COVID. 61 out of the 86 people hospitalized and 6 out of the 13 people in the ICU are vaccinated with at least two doses. 2 of the people hospitalized are vaccinated with at least one dose. Unvaccinated folks account for 23 hospitalizations and 7 ICU beds.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: So you are no longer a Higgy fan???
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Curious in your bed calculations, did you factor the number of medical staff required to manage them around the clock. Having the beds is one thing, without the professional staff to manage the patients they are of no value.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Speak of the devil and he is sure to appear 
 
 
James Doyle
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: We have plenty of medical staff, thats why it was ok to fire the unvaxxed. Right John?
 
 
James Risdon
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Ah, yes, the mysterious self-moving goalpost. First, it's about cases. Then, it's about hospitalization and beds. Then, it's not about beds but about personnel.

Are you ever going to just pick a criteria and stick to it?
 
 
Michael Myers
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: They fired the ones who wouldn't vax and then they let the vaxxed ones continue to work even with a positive covid diagnosis.
 
 
Michael Myers 
Reply to @James Risdon: This is what Johnny does
 
 
Dave Peters
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: And they are vaccinated, off the job. Do you suppose the healthy unvaccinated staff that were sent home in our healthcare system could help out with that? Many of us went to work sick, the world did not burn down. 
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @James Doyle: Not the case at all. Didn't have enough but it would be foolish to allow an unvaccinated health care worker to work with covid-19 patients. The saying dumber than dumb comes to mind. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dave Peters
Politicians & bureaucrats are talking about the unvaccinated and the harm they do to our society. How do we square that with the 50% of the people on this planet who are NOT vaccinated against Covid19 and at risk. Should we treat them exactly as we treat them now, lending a helping hand to ease our conscience. What are we saying to them, we'll get to you as soon as we can. We are already at the 3rd booster, NOW the 4th is on the radar. Sure, we are being convinced to stay in our lane, DO NOT STRAY FROM THE PATH. Blaine Higgs you are a disappointment. Even loyal, honest hardworking colleagues say the same thing about you. Where did you learn to be so heartless. I know you are an Irving team player, and the ilk such as them. This will not end well for any of us. 
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Dave Peters: Higgy is heartless

Methinks everybody knows that by now N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Higgs is talking about mandatory vaccination? Where does he plan to get the resources to make this happen? At the rate the province is currently administering vaccines, it will be the end of February before they manage to get a booster dose to everyone who wants one.
 
 
Ian Douglas Gill
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Also, are they going to make it mandatory every few months?
In an article with the Pfizer CEO published yesterday:
"The two doses, they're not enough for omicron," Bourla said. "The third dose of the current vaccine is providing quite good protection against deaths, and decent protection against hospitalizations."
Bourla said omicron is a more difficult target than previous variants. Omicron, which has dozens of mutations, can evade some of the protection provided by Pfizer's original two shots.
"We have seen with a second dose very clearly that the first thing that we lost was the protection against infections," Bourla said. "But then two months later, what used to be very strong in hospitalization also went down. And I think this is what everybody's worried about."
Real-world data from the United Kingdom has found that two vaccine doses are 52% effective at preventing hospitalization 25 weeks after receiving the second shot, according to data from the U.K. Health Security Agency.
Two-doses of Pfizer or Moderna's vaccines are only about 10% effective at preventing infection from omicron 20 weeks after the second dose, according to the U.K. data.
A booster dose, on the other hand, is up to 75% effective at preventing symptomatic infection and 88% effective at preventing hospitalization, according to the data.
However, Bourla said it's unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot.
"The question mark, it is how long that protection lasts with the third dose," Bourla said.
So Canada wants mandatory vax for something that lasts only a few weeks??
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: If Higgy were to go forward with such an egregious plan my dog and I would look forward to his "Peace" Officers and their RCMP buddies trying to jab me 
 
 
Stone Lowfield
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: The armed forces under the Emergency Measures Act.
 
 
Sherrie McLean
Reply to @Stone Lowfield: exactly. Something most people are not even aware of. Too bad we couldn’t rewind time and give everyone a lesson in Civics and the constitution. JT has taken advantage of our ignorance.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Stone Lowfield: They don't scare me
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
"Hundreds of health-care workers are off sick or isolating" - Are many healthcare workers are isolating vs how many are still on the job? We already know that NB takes hospitalization and ICU numbers out of context in order to frighten the public. Let's see the context on the numbers of healthcare workers. If they refuse to provide context, then what are they hiding?
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Someone is taking things out of context. The answer is not clear as to who.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Is that your idea of witty??
 
 
Sherrie McLean
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: I do not know who you are but I am appalled at the many times that you have advocated for the violation of bodily autonomy and voluntary informed consent. Do you actually think it will end with 3 shots? Do you actually think this will end with a requirement to be vaccinated? If the principles of bodily autonomy and voluntary informed consent are taken away, we have nothing.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Sherrie McLean: Well put 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
SarahRose Werner
"Hundreds of health-care workers are off sick or isolating" - But all healthcare workers in NB are vaccinated, otherwise they would have been fired by now. So how would mandatory vaccination keep more healthcare workers on the job?
 
 
James Doyle 
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: You are far more logical than our government.

The government appears to be looking for a scapegoat.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Good question
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Tell us why on a proportionate basis there are more unvaccinated in the hospitals than vaccinated.
 
 
Dave Peters 
Reply to @James Doyle: Exactly, to save their proverbial hide & income.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Why should she???
 
 
June Arnott
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: they aren’t hospitalized, get it now? Probably not.
 
 
Renee Garry
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: tell us why 2 years later our health system is no better than it was? 
 
 
Dave Peters
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: That will pass, what will not pass is the damage this is doing to our institutions with these types of actions. Who will prevail. The answer is clear, your answer is this will be over this spring. If this continues my answer is some sort of civil disobedience, non violent hopefully. Will our military be deployed, guess what, the exulted one has already implied such a thing. Once we see more military in the streets people are going to react. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Samuel Clemens
If the vaccine does not prevent transmission, there is no reason for a vax mandate.
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Samuel Clemens: It won't prevent transmission totally, but you need to understand two important facts about vaccines.

1) First, if vaxxed you are less likely to get covid and therefore cannot transmit it.

2) Even if you get covid after being vaxxed, you are contagious for a shorter time period than an unvaxxed person and therefore are less likely to transmit it.
 
 
Jeffrey Martin 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: The CEO of Pfizer said yesterday that two doses offer almost zero protection after 6 months against the current variants
 
 
Chris Everitt 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: That would depend on how effective the vaccine (created for the original Covid) is for Omicron. Do you have data to back up your statement? Otherwise .......
 
 
James Risdon
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Omicron was introduced to Canada by four fully-vaccinated people coming here from abroad.
 
 
Adam Boone
Reply to @Fred Brewer: you need to understand peoples lives are there own! And don’t give me this ani vaccine crap.
I have watched you for months come here every day trying to belittle people because they don’t think like you . Kind of childish
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Samuel Clemens: Wow a Yankee ghostwriter makes sense
 
 
JOhn D Bond
Reply to @Samuel Clemens: Guess you missed the memo on why the vaccines are important. To bad
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @JOhn D Bond: Did Higgy hire you to write the memo???
 
 
Ian Douglas Gill
Reply to @Jeffrey Martin: that article was good, but the hard-headed in this forum won't believe it, even though it was words from Bourla himself 
 
 
Ian Douglas Gill 
 
 
Jeff LeBlanc
Reply to @Samuel Clemens: please reference flu shots for context and then go back to bed 
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Jeffrey Martin: Can you provide a reputable source for the Pfizer CEO quote? I will cue the crickets.
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Chris Everitt: With booster, protection from Omicron goes up to 85%.
 
 
Samuel Clemens
Reply to @Fred Brewer: I'm all for the vaccine, but against mandates. There's no need for a mandate if 97% of the most vulnerable are vaccinated.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Samuel Clemens: Methinks desperate spin doctors post desperate things N'esy Pas?
 
 
Dave Peters
Reply to @David Amos: Most likely, been following John for awhile. Maybe not Higgs but someone. 
 
 
Julie-Ann Robichaud:
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla on Monday said two doses of the company's vaccine may not provide strong protection against infection from the Covid omicron variant, and the original shots have also lost some of their efficacy at preventing hospitalization   
 
 
Samuel Clemens
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Perhaps for a week or two, and then a sharp drop off.
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Julie-Ann Robichaud: Yes and this is why we need the booster shot.
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Ian Douglas Gill: Thanks, I see from your link that it also says "third shots are providing good protection against death, and "decent" protection against hospitalization." That's good enough for me. I have my third shot.
 
 
Ian Douglas Gill 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: sure, for a very limited time. also in the article:
A booster dose, on the other hand, is up to 75% effective at preventing symptomatic infection and 88% effective at preventing hospitalization, according to the data.

However, Bourla said it's unclear how long a booster dose will provide protection against Covid. The U.K. Health Security Agency also found that boosters are only 40% to 50% effective against infection 10 weeks after receiving the shot"

So are you prepared for only 40-50% protection after 10 weeks? I guess by then Pfizer's Omicron shot will be available as it is projected for a March release. How many shots are you willing to subject yourself to?
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Ian Douglas Gill: Ian, nobody including the drug companies knows how long the booster will remain effective. How is it then, that you know because you say "for a very limited time" which is not what Bourla says. I have not seen any UK data. Can you send a link?

My life and the lives of those around me are worth as many shots as it takes. You see, I am not afraid of the needle.
 
 
Ian Douglas Gill
Reply to @Fred Brewer: What I quoted is from the same article I shared with you earlier. It's not my words. Read it in it's entirety.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David Amos 
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Surprise Surprise Surprise
 
 
 
 
Jay Bellefleur
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Truly a very dark day in Canadian history.
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Jay Bellefleur: Its also a long cold night in New Brunswick and I have only one dog to cuddle with but he is a big one
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jay Bellefleur
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Whatever happened to natural immunity?
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Jay Bellefleur: I still have mine
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jay Bellefleur
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And to think that the grand master of all conspiracy theorists (Al Jones) predicted all of this - almost to the letter - over a decade ago
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Jay Bellefleur: He was not the first to do so in 2009
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
James Smythe
Who knew the cure was fascism all along?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @James Smythe: Its not 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Paul Achavas
Canada is turning into a powder keg, and it's not from a lack of trying by our politicians.
 
 
David Amos  
Reply to @Paul Achavas: Oh So True
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Higgy, dancing to the Bermuda 🎻 tune with Jenifer.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I have the video
 

 

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