Grand Manan residents frustrated as military helicopter summoned again for hospital transport
Ambulance N.B. unable to provide air ambulance service because of weather
A Cormorant helicopter from CFB Greenwood in Nova Scotia was dispatched to the island late Friday afternoon to transport a patient to the Saint John Regional Hospital, according to Joint Rescue Coordination Centre Halifax.
The request for assistance came from Ambulance N.B., which runs an air ambulance service, but was unable to respond because of weather conditions.
"Both ANB's Air Ambulance and Nova Scotia's EHS LifeFlight were available but unable to fly to Grand Manan and/or Saint John due to weather limitations which prohibited the use of either plane," Christianna Williston, an Ambulance N.B. spokesperson, said in an email.
This marks at least the second time a military helicopter has been called in to transport a patient since Atlantic Charters, the Grand Manan-based company that usually provides air ambulance services on the island, was forced to ground the service last year due to contract issues.
Transport Canada rule changes require Atlantic Charters to increase their pilot fleet to continue providing the service.
Ambulance N.B. and Atlantic Charters have been negotiating a new contract to save the service, while the province has sought an exemption from Transport Canada.
Williston said "discussions related to air ambulance needs in Grand Manan are ongoing."
CBC News has reached out to Atlantic Charters and the province, but has not received a response.
'Frustrating'
Bill Burns got a close-up view of the helicopter when it landed on the road next to his house in Pettes Cove.
Burns said he didn't have any information on the emergency requiring medical evacuation, or why the helicopter had to land on the road instead of the nearby airport.
But he said there's growing concern on the island about the lack of an on-island medevac service.
The ferry to the mainland takes a couple of hours, and that's if it's running when an emergency happens.
Bill Burns saw the helicopter close up when it landed on the road next to his house in Pettes Cove. (Submitted by Bill Burns)
Meanwhile, any effort to get off the island in an emergency now means an aircraft has to fly to the island first, which takes more time than just having a plane ready to go.
"It's frustrating for people here in the community when we got our own air ambulance service here sitting on the ground that's more than willing to do it," said Burns.
Burns said the issues with medevac are even harder to take considering what else the island has lost recently.
"They lost their bank, they lost … a lot of stuff here the last little while," said Burns.
"It's like every time we turn around we're losing something."
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David Amos
Methinks anyone on Grand Manan who is reading
this should ask their Mayor, the former Attorney General Andrea Anderson
Mason and their pal John Williamson how I tried to help the Island
Folks with their concerns over fish, booze, lock downs, banks and the
air ambulance. Nobody cared so why should I N'esy Pas?
Sam Smithers
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You have trouble taking care of yourself, maybe leave it at that.
David Amos
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So says the Deacon of Death: Sam Smithers, the Serial Killer Next Door???
David Amos
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Methinks Mr Kart did not post anything offensive.He is entitled to support Higgy if he wishes to do so N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
"Both ANB's Air Ambulance and Nova Scotia's EHS LifeFlight were available but unable to fly to Grand Manan and/or Saint John due to weather limitations which prohibited the use of either plane,"
Christianna Williston, an Ambulance N.B. spokesperson, said in an email. "
Not sure what the issue is . People choose to live on a somewhat isolated Island , and when a medical emergency arose , a Rescue Helicopter was sent in for emergency transport as planes could not navigate through the weather conditions . Sounds like everything was
functioning as required .
Mario Kart
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Reply to Matt Steele
Issue is that grand Manan needs the federal government to provide an exemption to Atlantic charters to once again provide air ambulance service on the island. To give them credit the provincial government
is trying to get that exemption, but out of touch Ottawa is just not concerned about places like Grand Manan. Is this really who we want our province to give greater control over healthcare to? To
bureaucrats in Ottawa who can’t even find places like Grand Manan on a map?
David Amos
Reply to Mario Kart
I concur During the Yuletide season not long after Higgy finally coughed up my Health Care Card I had a talk with Peter Sonnenberg's Mother and told her how I could help and then sent them and many
politicians and bureaucrats exactly the same email. Nobody cared.
Issue is that grand Manan needs the federal government to provide an exemption to Atlantic charters to once again provide air ambulance service on the island. To give them credit the provincial government
is trying to get that exemption, but out of touch Ottawa is just not concerned about places like Grand Manan. Is this really who we want our province to give greater control over healthcare to? To
bureaucrats in Ottawa who can’t even find places like Grand Manan on a map?
David Amos
Reply to Mario Kart
I concur During the Yuletide season not long after Higgy finally coughed up my Health Care Card I had a talk with Peter Sonnenberg's Mother and told her how I could help and then sent them and many
politicians and bureaucrats exactly the same email. Nobody cared.
kathy white
That's a hefty price tag...but NB has tons of
money...look at the price tag for a superbowl add...I don't think that's
a good spending habit
Mario Kart
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Uh I can’t believe I’m defending the Higgs gov
as he currently sells our health data to Trudeau in exchange for money,
but facts are facts. Here goes. They are spending the money in the hopes
of making more money for NB. Do you think any of the corporations are
spending money just to spend money? The whole point of buying ads is to
get a bigger return on your money that what you’ve spent.
David Amos
Reply to kathy white
I agree
David Amos
Reply to Mario KartThe government is not in business no matter how many times Higgy call us his "Clients"
FYI when I was in business I never advertised because in the Maritimes word of mouth is everything. I spent lots of money fixing things that the folks were not entitled under warranty and made sure they knew it. It worked like a charm.
One time my supplier ordered advertising with the Irving newsrag on my behalf because I had a huge amount of unused credit on their books and it would not cost me much to pay my share. I strongly disagreed. The Irvings sent bill collectors then lawyers after me when I refused to pay them. When I replied to the court that we had no contract either expressed or implied the Irving lawyers went away.
Need I say that I am honoured that Higgy did not buy his motorcycles from me?
Mario Kart
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I disagree, I think advertising works. I very much think tourism in NB is a business activity and I don’t see how so many billions would be spent on advertising for the last century if it didn’t work.
Interesting story about your business though! I love hearing stories like that.
David Amos
Reply to Mario Kart
I has a Registered Limited Company and when I quit others seized Its name
In 2005 I was talking to an MPs Assistant in Ottawa and he was just busting to tell me that he saw T Shirts with my Company's name on them being sold at the Motorcycle show he had just attended
I disagree, I think advertising works. I very much think tourism in NB is a business activity and I don’t see how so many billions would be spent on advertising for the last century if it didn’t work.
Interesting story about your business though! I love hearing stories like that.
David Amos
Reply to Mario Kart
I has a Registered Limited Company and when I quit others seized Its name
In 2005 I was talking to an MPs Assistant in Ottawa and he was just busting to tell me that he saw T Shirts with my Company's name on them being sold at the Motorcycle show he had just attended
Gordon Ross
Higgs is beating his chest on social
media(twitter) telling those who will listen how much he has achieved
since he took office. He faces very little criticism there. Nausea is
setting in; I will leave it at that.
Sam Smithers
Reply to Gordon Ross
We just had our state of the province address,
that is what he is supposed to be doing, and he/we have achieved much
since he took office. No one is forcing you to his twitter feed. I
suggest you get back to bed and get more sleep.
David Amos
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Reply to Sam Smithers
Deja Vu???
Lobster company fills in inter-tidal zone off Grand Manan property
Aqua Best expansion plans on hold while province and federal governments review the case
Connell Smith · CBC News · Posted: Sep 09, 2020 7:00 AM ADT
Fred Brewer
Nobody in government will be available for an interview until after the election.
David Amos
Methinks its too bad so sad that the Yankees didn't talk to me about the sneaky lawyer Frank Longstaff and his partners instead of courting Andrea Anderson Mason and her pal John Williamson N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
The Crown cannot deny that Frank Longstaff, his partner David Lutz and I had quite a hoedown when I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament in 2004.
Mason and Williamson certainly cannot deny that I ran again in 2006, 2015, 2018 and 2019 in provincial and federal elections
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
BTW Williamson is my MP I first talked to him in 2005 when he was the boss of the Taxpayer dudes I also spoke to Mason a few times before she got elected but not once since
Peter Cole
I'm trying to determine what the issue is? Someone was in need of help. Someone was able to help. The Chopper had to land on a road. Well someones life was at risk, I'm thinking that takes precedent over
a ride to Timmy's. I live in the bush. I know things here are not available on demand, and at times a ride to Freddie, Moncton, or Saint John is in order. My choice, if I wanted convenience I'd move to town.
SarahRose Werner
If weather limitations prohibited both Ambulance NB and EHS LifeFlight from making the trip to Grand Manan and then to Saint John, would an Atlantic Charters plane have been able to make the trip to Saint John? Or were the weather conditions sufficiently rough to ground any civilian plane?
Al Clark
Reply to SarahRose Werner
"With our weather and the fog, it's not always accessible for that plane to come and land on the island, which is the advantage of having a local company because it's easier to leave in an airplane than it is
sometimes to come back."
David Amos
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YO Mr G4TR Imagine you and I agreeing on something???
David Amos
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Grand Manan medevac company grounded, military helicopter called in to transport patient
Province working on getting island exempted from new Transport Canada rules
Hadeel Ibrahim · CBC News · Posted: Dec 16, 2022 4:56 PM AST
David Amos
Methinks I can help the folks on Grand Manan again but I bet nobody
cares N'esy Pas???
YO Mr G4TR Imagine you and I agreeing on something???
David Amos
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Grand Manan medevac company grounded, military helicopter called in to transport patient
Province working on getting island exempted from new Transport Canada rules
Hadeel Ibrahim · CBC News · Posted: Dec 16, 2022 4:56 PM AST
David Amos
Methinks I can help the folks on Grand Manan again but I bet nobody
cares N'esy Pas???
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
I trust that you will be checking my work later
Michael Cain
Premier Higgs is busy negotiating, looking to save us money. Of course, wait until he gets the bill from the CAF!
Mario Kart
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Blaine Higgs is a technocrat who sells us out to Ottawa every chance he gets. This new healthcare deal is nothing more than giving power over healthcare away to Ottawa. Last time a centralization of healthcare this big happened was when the province took over from the counties in the 60s… that worked out well!
Michael Cain
Reply to Mario Kart
A mechanical engineer for Irving; he leads by fear, and has his nose stuck in too many places where it does not belong.
John Cannothan
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Premier Higgs is busy negotiating, looking to save us money. Of course, wait until he gets the bill from the CAF!
Mario Kart
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Reply to Michael Cain
Blaine Higgs is a technocrat who sells us out to Ottawa every chance he gets. This new healthcare deal is nothing more than giving power over healthcare away to Ottawa. Last time a centralization of healthcare this big happened was when the province took over from the counties in the 60s… that worked out well!
Michael Cain
Reply to Mario Kart
A mechanical engineer for Irving; he leads by fear, and has his nose stuck in too many places where it does not belong.
John Cannothan
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Reply to Michael Cain
Higgs is busy dancing on The Clash #ShouldiStayorShouldiGo
Michael Cain
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Higgs is busy dancing on The Clash #ShouldiStayorShouldiGo
Michael Cain
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Reply to John Cannothan
We already have seen his chicken dance; not pretty.
Jos Allaire
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We already have seen his chicken dance; not pretty.
Jos Allaire
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Reply to Michael Cain
As if he didn't look Stu Pit enough.
Sam Smithers
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As if he didn't look Stu Pit enough.
Sam Smithers
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Reply to Michael Cain
Tell me what Higgs has to do with this story? Oh wait, your Higgs obsession has you thinking anything negative that happens in the province has to be Higgs doing. Get some help.
Sam Smithers
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Tell me what Higgs has to do with this story? Oh wait, your Higgs obsession has you thinking anything negative that happens in the province has to be Higgs doing. Get some help.
Sam Smithers
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Reply to Mario Kart
How does he sell us out to Ottawa?
Archara Goldehere
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How does he sell us out to Ottawa?
Archara Goldehere
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Higgs and some of the provinces were not using OUR tax money on anything even health care as they were starving it said the NDP so ya the Fed's said nope you can't do that -- and your not happy they said
nope to the provinces -- We have had 2 people die in the ER while Higgs dances around wow -- I will never vote PC because of Higgs on any level -- Shame on Higgs
Sam Smithers
Reply to Archara Goldehere
I would be ashamed if you were voting for the same party as me, saying you are not voting for him is actually a feather in his cap. People have been dying in ERs for decades country wide, because, well you know, it is where very sick people are located.
Mario Kart
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Actually Canadians right across Canada were waiting in ERs while Trudeau refused to fund more than 20% of healthcare as he gave away billions around the world.
Higgs and some of the provinces were not using OUR tax money on anything even health care as they were starving it said the NDP so ya the Fed's said nope you can't do that -- and your not happy they said
nope to the provinces -- We have had 2 people die in the ER while Higgs dances around wow -- I will never vote PC because of Higgs on any level -- Shame on Higgs
Sam Smithers
Reply to Archara Goldehere
I would be ashamed if you were voting for the same party as me, saying you are not voting for him is actually a feather in his cap. People have been dying in ERs for decades country wide, because, well you know, it is where very sick people are located.
Mario Kart
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Actually Canadians right across Canada were waiting in ERs while Trudeau refused to fund more than 20% of healthcare as he gave away billions around the world.
Mario Kart
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Reply to Sam Smithers
Higgs is caving in to Trudeau’s demands for national digital IDs. It’s shameful. The provincial gov shouldn’t be handing over our health data to the federal government who regularly shares info with the states. Remember a few years ago when people in Ontario were denied entry to the US because health Canada has shared info about them?
Mario Kart
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They had had depression or something and the federal government somehow had that information (perhaps federal employees) and they shared it with the States. That’s who our provincial governments are handing our health data over to.
Sam Smithers
Reply to Mario Kart
No health data has been transferred anywhere.
Mario Kart
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Good, but Higgs is hinting that he might agree to the deal with Trudeau and part of that is sharing our health data with Ottawa. No amount of money is worth that because even PP is saying if he becomes PM, he won’t reverse that need to share health data with the federal government in exchange for funding. It’s a major overstep on provincial autonomy and authority and one that the people of this
province were never consulted on. It appears to be irreversible, even under near term federal governments that are not the current one.
David Amos
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No health data has been transferred anywhere.
Mario Kart
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Good, but Higgs is hinting that he might agree to the deal with Trudeau and part of that is sharing our health data with Ottawa. No amount of money is worth that because even PP is saying if he becomes PM, he won’t reverse that need to share health data with the federal government in exchange for funding. It’s a major overstep on provincial autonomy and authority and one that the people of this
province were never consulted on. It appears to be irreversible, even under near term federal governments that are not the current one.
David Amos
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John Cannothan
Every time I think of Higgy using that song I think of a very righteous tune by Dylan entitled Jokerman
Every time I think of Higgy using that song I think of a very righteous tune by Dylan entitled Jokerman
JOhn D Bond
One of the quintessential trade offs people make, live in an urban center and have relative easy access to services. The trade off for these folks, is, it is more expensive, it is noisier, there is congestion, and you don't look out the front or back to to see mother nature in all her beauty and fury. As at 2021 81% of the population in the country is in urban center's.
For others they chose the rural approach to life, which also comes with trade offs. Many services not comparable to those in urban centers, far more exposed to the swings of mother nature.
The challenge historically and today, the cost of the services in rural areas is far higher than in urban areas. We see examples of this in health care, delivery of electricity/ internet / cell service. Even banking services.
Mario Kart
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JOhn D Bond
50% of NB is rural
Wilbur Ross
JOhn D Bond
"urban center" :D
JOhn D Bond
Mario Kart
While that may be true, the issue of services and access is a function of population density per sq km. The stat I was referring to was for all of Canada.
David Amos
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Wilbur Ross
I remember you and your boss Trump doing the Sword Dance
Here are some videos of Trump and his cabinet members awkwardly
dancing with swords in Saudi Arabia
Sonam Sheth
Business Insider
May 20, 2017, 3:59 PM
Mario Kart
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Good example of why healthcare should be being decentralized. Healthcare used to be administered by counties in NB and was taken over by the province. Instead of having the federal government take it
over, we should be decentralizing it back to the county level once again.
Michael Cain
Mario Kart
The feds are not taking anything over; all they want is the provinces to show where the money is being spent. There should be a national committee of health experts, advising the provinces and providing direction to achieve common results. Minister Duclos is attempting to do that with provincial health ministers.
How one province made improvements should be shared with others. Resources could also be shared, as is supposed to be happening in the Atlantic accord.
I should be able to get the same level of health care anywhere in Canada.
Politicians need to keep out of it.
Robert Losier
Michael Cain
Infoway
In September 2000, Canada’s First Ministers agreed to work together to strengthen a Canada-wide health infostructure to improve quality, access and timeliness of health care for Canadians. They also committed to develop electronic health records (EHRs), enhance the use of enabling technologies like telehealth, and work collaboratively to develop common data standards to ensure the compatibility of health information.
In October 2000, the Government of Canada announced its intention to help establish Canada Health Infoway (Infoway) as an independent, not-for-profit corporation with an initial investment of $500 million. On January 22, 2001, Infoway was incorporated by Letters Patent and it began active operations on March 21, 2001.
SarahRose Werner
Mario Kart
Even if Charlotte County administered its own healthcare, they wouldn't be putting a tertiary care hospital comparable to the Saint John Regional on Grand Manan. Patients would still have to be taken to the mainland by air, and it would still be preferable to have a plane stationed on Grand Manan to do this.
Mario Kart
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SarahRose Werner
Yes it would still be preferable to have a plane stationed there to do that. I’m thinking of healthcare we’re at the county level then it would be more likely to be the case. As the federal government
intrudes more into healthcare, good luck to places like NB in competing for attention anymore than places like Charlotte county do for the provincial gov.
Donald Smith
Welcome to New Brunswick
David Amos
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Donald Smith
Welcome to the circus
One of the quintessential trade offs people make, live in an urban center and have relative easy access to services. The trade off for these folks, is, it is more expensive, it is noisier, there is congestion, and you don't look out the front or back to to see mother nature in all her beauty and fury. As at 2021 81% of the population in the country is in urban center's.
For others they chose the rural approach to life, which also comes with trade offs. Many services not comparable to those in urban centers, far more exposed to the swings of mother nature.
The challenge historically and today, the cost of the services in rural areas is far higher than in urban areas. We see examples of this in health care, delivery of electricity/ internet / cell service. Even banking services.
Mario Kart
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JOhn D Bond
50% of NB is rural
Wilbur Ross
JOhn D Bond
"urban center" :D
JOhn D Bond
Mario Kart
While that may be true, the issue of services and access is a function of population density per sq km. The stat I was referring to was for all of Canada.
David Amos
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Wilbur Ross
I remember you and your boss Trump doing the Sword Dance
Here are some videos of Trump and his cabinet members awkwardly
dancing with swords in Saudi Arabia
Sonam Sheth
Business Insider
May 20, 2017, 3:59 PM
Mario Kart
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Good example of why healthcare should be being decentralized. Healthcare used to be administered by counties in NB and was taken over by the province. Instead of having the federal government take it
over, we should be decentralizing it back to the county level once again.
Michael Cain
Mario Kart
The feds are not taking anything over; all they want is the provinces to show where the money is being spent. There should be a national committee of health experts, advising the provinces and providing direction to achieve common results. Minister Duclos is attempting to do that with provincial health ministers.
How one province made improvements should be shared with others. Resources could also be shared, as is supposed to be happening in the Atlantic accord.
I should be able to get the same level of health care anywhere in Canada.
Politicians need to keep out of it.
Robert Losier
Michael Cain
Infoway
In September 2000, Canada’s First Ministers agreed to work together to strengthen a Canada-wide health infostructure to improve quality, access and timeliness of health care for Canadians. They also committed to develop electronic health records (EHRs), enhance the use of enabling technologies like telehealth, and work collaboratively to develop common data standards to ensure the compatibility of health information.
In October 2000, the Government of Canada announced its intention to help establish Canada Health Infoway (Infoway) as an independent, not-for-profit corporation with an initial investment of $500 million. On January 22, 2001, Infoway was incorporated by Letters Patent and it began active operations on March 21, 2001.
SarahRose Werner
Mario Kart
Even if Charlotte County administered its own healthcare, they wouldn't be putting a tertiary care hospital comparable to the Saint John Regional on Grand Manan. Patients would still have to be taken to the mainland by air, and it would still be preferable to have a plane stationed on Grand Manan to do this.
Mario Kart
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SarahRose Werner
Yes it would still be preferable to have a plane stationed there to do that. I’m thinking of healthcare we’re at the county level then it would be more likely to be the case. As the federal government
intrudes more into healthcare, good luck to places like NB in competing for attention anymore than places like Charlotte county do for the provincial gov.
Donald Smith
Welcome to New Brunswick
David Amos
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Donald Smith
Welcome to the circus
andrew mornay
Want convenient service ... move to an area with a hospital
G. Timothy Walton
andrew mornay
Grand Manan has a hospital, they just have to send patients to Saint John for critical cases.
Wilbur Ross
andrew mornay
This Canada ... its a rural country despite what the city folk want or think. People still live around the bay and that's okay because this is Canada. Our rural nature is what makes Canada so special. These
communities are more than just pictures on your calendar. You should be more supportive of fellow Maritimers in need.
Mario Kart
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andrew mornay
NB is the most rural province in confederation. Once the federal government has more control over our healthcare with these new agreements, what if they say to NBers that if we want convenient service… move to a province with more services?
JOhn D Bond
Wilbur Ross
Actually 81% of the population in the country live in Urban areas. Nothing wrong with choosing a rural lifestyle. Just don't expect to have the same type of access to many things that urban dwellers have.
Mario Kart
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JOhn D Bond
Most rural people don’t expect the same and are quite happy with that. It’s just that when the benefits of being rural are slowly encroached on and more and more government is put into us, we become less willing to do without all the bells and whistles. Why should rural people have all the impositions of municipalities put onto them, only to not have any of the benefits.
Wilbur Ross
JOhn D Bond
This is Canada. Not densely populated. Its just not.
Greg Miller
andrew mornay
Exactly! What does anyone expect when weather prevails.
Michael Cain
Greg Miller
Send in the military?
David Amos
Mario Kart
"NB is the most rural province in confederation."
Surely you jest
Mario Kart
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David Amos
NB has the highest proportion of residents living in rural settings rather than urban. I’m not saying we have more rural people than other provinces, many other provinces with larger populations have more rural people but who constitute a smaller percentage of their respective province’s population. Also I’m not saying we have the most remote areas as other provinces have larger geographies and vast uninhabited areas. What I’m saying is that NB had the highest proportion Of rural dwellers as a percentage of it’s population than any other province and that’s a fact,
David Amos
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Mario Kart
You are talking to a Proud Hillbilly who is Happy Happy Happy to live in an out of the way spot but I have also been all over Canada and the USA Hence I strongly disagree
David Amos
Mario Kart
What did Higgy say about Data???
Dan Lee
Should i stay or should i go.......hmmmm wonder what the residents think
David Amos
Dan Lee
I say GO
Survey Says???
Ed Wallis
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why Search and Rescue in this country is provided by the Canadian Forces, and not the Coast Guard? It makes no sense to have SAR Techs in the military when the Canadian Forces has no Combat SAR capability. They should transfer the entire kit and caboodle over to the Coast Guard, including the SAR Techs. I love the SAR Techs, but they are not a deployable asset, so they are better suited for the Coast Guard.
Michael Cain
Ed Wallis
CAF has a whole bunch of Construction Trades they rarely employ;
contractors are typically employed, as in Afghanistan.
David Amos
Ed Wallis
Good question Good luck getting an answer
Should i stay or should i go.......hmmmm wonder what the residents think
David Amos
Dan Lee
I say GO
Survey Says???
Ed Wallis
Can someone, anyone, explain to me why Search and Rescue in this country is provided by the Canadian Forces, and not the Coast Guard? It makes no sense to have SAR Techs in the military when the Canadian Forces has no Combat SAR capability. They should transfer the entire kit and caboodle over to the Coast Guard, including the SAR Techs. I love the SAR Techs, but they are not a deployable asset, so they are better suited for the Coast Guard.
Michael Cain
Ed Wallis
CAF has a whole bunch of Construction Trades they rarely employ;
contractors are typically employed, as in Afghanistan.
David Amos
Ed Wallis
Good question Good luck getting an answer
Philip Burfoot
When weather is a problem the military pilots are the ones you want. Civilian pilots have stricter weather rules that keep them grounded. Military pilots fly sturdier aircraft that are built to handle more
severe weather issues & they are used to flying in all kinds of inclement weather on Canada’s coasts.
Michael Cain
Philip Burfoot
Either that, or they do what they are ordered to do. Some may question the use of the old Aurora clunker; never know when it will fall out of the sky.
Graham McCormack
Michael Cain
The Aurora is not typically a SAR aircraft.
Michael Cain
Graham McCormack
Correct; I was thinking of the Labrador I believe; did its job well but was getting pretty old.
David Amos
Philip Burfoot
Furthermore they could chalk up the flight as just another training mission in
NoToDigital-IDinNB DontSellOurDataToTrudeau
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Philip Burfoot
You do realize or apparently you don’t that the federal government is working in conjunction with the provincial governments not against them in the provision of better healthcare for all Canadians. Not sure what exactly what you are trying to say but it makes very little sense! No one is being “ blackmailed” in these discussions.
David Amos
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Philip Burfoot
Methinks its not wise to waste my precious time arguing an ID that would go "Poof" in short order but you are certainly entitled to tell him off and did so N'esy Pas?
Christine Martinez
That helicopter looks like it's seen much better days.
The province is seeking an exception from Transport Canada. Given the
level of....engagement....Omar Alghabra seems to have with his
ministerial duties, I wouldn't expect much movement on that front.
Graham McCormack
Christine Martinez
The CH-149 Cormorant is an excellent search and rescue helicopter and
it wouldn't be any more than 22 years old.
Robert Losier
Graham McCormack
Posted: Mar 10, 2022 3:40 PM EST The RCAF says two of the crew members
are still in the hospital receiving treatment, while the other four
have been released and are with their squadron members.
Gander airport CEO Reg Wright says the airport is closed to
operations, with an update coming at 10 a.m. NT Friday.
A Canadian Forces spokesperson says it's too early to speculate about
what may have caused the crash and they are still waiting for more
information from the RCAF.
Weather conditions have been favourable in the area, with mostly blue
skies and light winds through the afternoon.
The tail of the helicopter appears to have detached, and the aircraft
is lying on its side.
About 12 emergency vehicles were at the scene around 5:30 p.m.
Thursday, including fire and rescue vehicles.
Philip Burfoot
Robert Losier
Accidents happen!
Graham McCormack
Robert Losier
And From Global News on Oct 15, 2022:
Two police agencies in New Brunswick are investigating fatal crashes.
The Fredericton Police Force said a 42-year-old man died in a
single-vehicle crash overnight on Saturday.
According to police, the incident occurred at around 1 a.m. near 80
Riverside Drive in the city. The area was temporarily closed to
traffic as investigators attended the scene.
Police say the investigation is ongoing.
Accidents happen.
Hugh MacDonald
Burns said the issues with medevac are even harder to take considering what else the island has lost recently. "They lost their bank, they lost … a lot of stuff here the last little while," said Burns. "It's
like every time we turn around we're losing something."
Appears "Grand Manan" is fast becoming "Not So Grand Manan".
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Hugh MacDonald
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Strawwater Berrymelon
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The provincial government giving away any control over healthcare to the federal government in exchange for money would be like having the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation taking control of your store’s scheduling from the store manager. This isn’t good for NB, it’s a sell out and one that we were never consulted on and quite frankly that we don’t even know all the details and fine print about. Is the premier going to educate us about what this means before he signs away control and autonomy over healthcare to Ottawa?
Are people who don’t like Higgs/likeTrudeau going to be happy with this change if it becomes Holt/Poilievre? It’s so very disappointing to see the way people have turned on their loyalty to our province just because they don’t like the current premier. It’s very short sighted!
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The provincial government giving away any control over healthcare to the federal government in exchange for money would be like having the CEO of a multibillion dollar corporation taking control of your store’s scheduling from the store manager. This isn’t good for NB, it’s a sell out and one that we were never consulted on and quite frankly that we don’t even know all the details and fine print about. Is the premier going to educate us about what this means before he signs away control and autonomy over healthcare to Ottawa?
Are people who don’t like Higgs/likeTrudeau going to be happy with this change if it becomes Holt/Poilievre? It’s so very disappointing to see the way people have turned on their loyalty to our province just because they don’t like the current premier. It’s very short sighted!
Strawwater Berrymelon
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Furthermore, local autonomy that has been eroded and given away over the decades remains given away long after whatever premier somebody liked it didn’t like has gone away. It is always better to have local control over things. The more local, the bigger voice and say you have. When healthcare is 100% provincial despite some federal funding, you have 1 in 800,000 say over it. When it’s federal (which is what’s being attempted here) you have a 1 in
38 000 000 say over it. Do you really think somebody who votes in Vancouver is going to care about issues in Bathurst, or Fredericton, or Grand Manan as much as people in Campbellton, or St Stephen, or Saint John will? We are absolutely insane to allow one inch of federal encroachment onto healthcare. It should be being further decentralized if anything.
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Furthermore, local autonomy that has been eroded and given away over the decades remains given away long after whatever premier somebody liked it didn’t like has gone away. It is always better to have local control over things. The more local, the bigger voice and say you have. When healthcare is 100% provincial despite some federal funding, you have 1 in 800,000 say over it. When it’s federal (which is what’s being attempted here) you have a 1 in
38 000 000 say over it. Do you really think somebody who votes in Vancouver is going to care about issues in Bathurst, or Fredericton, or Grand Manan as much as people in Campbellton, or St Stephen, or Saint John will? We are absolutely insane to allow one inch of federal encroachment onto healthcare. It should be being further decentralized if anything.
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Go Figure
"To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted.'
Strawwater Berrymelon
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"To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted.'
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The federal government won’t give an exemption to NB to allow Atlantic Charters to continue to provide air ambulance air service to Grand Manan. Another example of one size fits all from transport Canada.
David Amos
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The Fat Lady ain't sung yet I am certain this comment section is being
studied by the the Powers That Be
David Amos
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The federal government won’t give an exemption to NB to allow Atlantic Charters to continue to provide air ambulance air service to Grand Manan. Another example of one size fits all from transport Canada.
David Amos
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The Fat Lady ain't sung yet I am certain this comment section is being
studied by the the Powers That Be
David Amos
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Oh My My I am melting now
David Amos
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Oh My My I am melting now
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Methinks I struck a nerve N'esy Pas Mr G4TR?
Simeon Elliott
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Methinks I struck a nerve N'esy Pas Mr G4TR?
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No Atlantic Charters is too cheap to hire extra crew to adequately cover 24hr medivac on call.
The Transport Canada rule change was to mitigate pilot fatigue, and give flight crews adequate rest periods.
Strawwater Berrymelon
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No Atlantic Charters is too cheap to hire extra crew to adequately cover 24hr medivac on call.
The Transport Canada rule change was to mitigate pilot fatigue, and give flight crews adequate rest periods.
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The transport Canada rule change was not realistic for a place like Grand Manan. There are only 2000 residents on Grand Manan. Do you understand how much tax must be taken from citizens to pay each 100k salary?
Strawwater Berrymelon
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The transport Canada rule change was not realistic for a place like Grand Manan. There are only 2000 residents on Grand Manan. Do you understand how much tax must be taken from citizens to pay each 100k salary?
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The service that was provided before the rule change was adequate, realistic, and sustainable for Grand Manan. Once again, out of touch bureaucrats have made a one size fits all rule that is not realistic for a place like Grand Manan.
Strawwater Berrymelon
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The service that was provided before the rule change was adequate, realistic, and sustainable for Grand Manan. Once again, out of touch bureaucrats have made a one size fits all rule that is not realistic for a place like Grand Manan.
Strawwater Berrymelon
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And the end result is that Grand Manan now has inferior services to what it had before the rule change
David Amos
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And the end result is that Grand Manan now has inferior services to what it had before the rule change
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Methinks there is a big difference from being cheap and not being able to afford it N'esy Pas?
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Methinks there is a big difference from being cheap and not being able to afford it N'esy Pas?
Lobster company fills in inter-tidal zone off Grand Manan property
Aqua Best expansion plans on hold while province and federal governments review the case
Aqua Best buys lobsters from Grand Manan fishermen and operates a tank-house, a land-based lobster storage facility, on the island.
Documents shared with CBC show the company also leases inter-tidal land for a lobster holding pound, essentially a pen on the sea floor in the zone between the low and high tide area, in Woodward's Cove.
Photos show the pound area was extensively filled in starting in the fall of 2018 with heavy rock to create a pad for the expansion.
A couple of photos found on Facebook show New Brunswick Southwest MP, John Williamson standing on the filled in area in July of 2019.
Williamson tagged the photos: "Looking at Aqua Best's expansion plans on Grand Manan."
Williamson could not be reached Tuesday for comment.
Frank Longstaff owns an adjacent property in the cove.
He said the company is preparing to build on provincial government land it leases under very specific conditions.
Frank Longstaff owns a property on Woodwards Cove adjacent to where Aqua Best has been infilling the inter-tidal zone. (Connell Smith, CBC)
"The lobster pound is governed by a lease the company took out with the province," said Longstaff. "And one of the terms of the lease is that it is to be used as a lobster pound solely. And so to fill it in is a breach of that term, certainly to build something on it is a breach of that term."
Longstaff said he's not sure how the company can even be issued a building permit for the site because it doesn't have title to the land.
Reached by CBC, Jimmy Lam, Aqua Best's manager of Canadian Operations said he had no comment and is waiting for word from the federal and provincial governments before determining if the work can proceed.
Grand Manan Mayor Dennis Greene said the issue does not directly involve the village and is before the two other levels of government.
"There's quite a few jobs that's involved there and they have great plans for the future and we'd like to see it proceed," said Greene. "But, again, it's a provincial and federal matter."
Longstaff said he understands the importance of the lobster industry to the island's economy.
But he's concerned that if the company is allowed to go ahead with expansion of the tank house after constructing the pad on land it doesn't own it would set a dangerous precedent for other coastal areas in the province.
He says neighbours were not notified about plans for construction on the site and there have been no public notices about destruction of fish habitat in the inter-tidal zone.
in a brief statement a spokesperson for New Brunswick's Department of Agriculture, Aquaculture and Fisheries confirmed a stop work order was issued after the infill was discovered in the Aqua Best case. The statement said the department is working with "federal counterparts" on the file.
A spokesperson said the Department of Fisheries and Oceans could not immediately comment on the case Tuesday
Andrea Anderson Mason, elected MLA for Fundy the Isles in 2018, could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
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Fred Brewer
Nobody in government will be available for an interview until after the election.
David Amos
Methinks its too bad so sad that the Yankees didn't talk
to me about the sneaky lawyer Frank Longstaff and his partners instead
of courting Andrea Anderson Mason and her pal John Williamson N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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The Crown cannot deny that Frank Longstaff, his partner
David Lutz and I had quite a hoedown when I ran in the election of the
38th Parliament in 2004.
Mason and Williamson certainly cannot deny that I ran
again in 2006, 2015, 2018 and 2019 in provincial and federal elections
David Amos
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BTW Williamson is my MP I first talked to him in 2005
when he was the boss of the Taxpayer dudes I also spoke to Mason a few
times before she got elected but not once since
Social Media versus the Corporate Media trying hard to get Trudeau The Younger another mandate and my last hoedown with corrupt politcians in Fundy Royal on Oct17th
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Are you folks aware that the articles published by the Kings County Record when I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament are recorded in the Library of Parliament, some court dockets and several blogs as well? If you have not read the ancient history published by the Irving Clan you will find them at the bottom of this email. This email is largely about YouTube videos because most folks hate to take too much time out of their day to read much but they may listen to their smart phones while doing something else if it is not too boring. However there are a few articles within the CBC that I am mentioning the election in Fundy Royal right now. Some of you may wish to dispute my words before the comment sections close. I must say the news in CBC about CBC suing the Conservative Party was kinda special but they offer no comment section at obviously for political not legal reasons. https://www.cbc.ca/news/cbc- CBC taking Conservative Party to court over online election ad Public broadcaster takes federal party to court over using its TV clips in campaign commercial CBC News · Posted: Oct 12, 2019 11:40 AM ET However Mr Dressup putting on a bulletproof vest and having RCMP tough guys flank him at a recent speech was a very desperate circus act to stop his downhill slide from power has cause quite a stir. Then when he slammed the NDP and the Bloc who are actually saying they would side with him to form a coalition government things went of the rail in the Fake Left's wacko world. Strange days indeed when Trudeau The Younger loses grip on his "Sunny Ways" EH? https://www.cbc.ca/news/ Trudeau wears bulletproof vest after security threat delays campaign rally Tactical officers surrounded Liberal leader as he addressed Mississauga, Ont., crowd CBC News · Posted: Oct 12, 2019 7:43 PM ET 8393 Comments David Raymond Amos Methinks nobody should be surprised to see that Rogers TV had clipped the last half hour of their recording of a debate for the seat in Fundy Royal held in Sussex NB on October 8th when they finally posted within their channel YouTube. I have no doubt whatsoever the editing was done so that folks who did not attend the debate would have no idea what was said. Some folks woe were there that night have agreed that the things that were said about issues pertaining to Veterans, Climate Change and Pro Life was too much for the lawyer Rob Moore and the liberal incumbent to deal with so they said nothing at all. Their silence was a telling thing indeed N'esy Pas? Johnathon Locke There have been many stories of false threats made for political reasons over the last year. David Raymond Amos Reply to @Johnathon Locke: Methinks Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Younger and his many cohorts in all political parties are well are of my false imprisonments in Canada and the USA over false allegations. That was one of the many reasons I sued the Queen in 2015 while running in Fundy Royal again N'esy Pas? James Douglas (Real) Am I the only cynical one here wondering if he's just wearing a costume, desperate for votes? David Raymond Amos Reply to @James Douglas (Real): Trust that you are not alone Steve Monroe JT will prevail! American Andy can go back to being an insurance gopher with drop out status! David Raymond Amos Reply to @Steve Monroe: Methinks the Fat Lady ain't sung yet N'esy Pas? Paddie Ferraro Which costume are you wearing this week Justin? David Raymond Amos Reply to @Paddie Ferraro: Methinks it obviously it includes a bulletproof vest for no reason he or the RCMP wish to explain Perhaps the former Clerk of the PCO gave Mr Butts the not so bright idea N'esy Pas? It is a small wonder that the BLOC and the NDP are gaining steam. In a nutshell its blatantly obvious that many Canadians are sick and tired of the usual political bullshit. More importantly many are reacting like the Yankees did when they elected the wacko named Trump. If there ever was a time for Fundy Royal to elect someone other than a Conservative or a Liberal the time is NOW. I used to suggest that folks vote for the NDP but now I suggest that they vote for me. https://www.cbc.ca/news/ Scheer, Singh make confident pitch to voters, Trudeau targets both as polls move to favour Conservatives Trudeau targets NDP, says 'only way to stop Conservative cuts' is to vote Liberal Elise von Scheel · CBC News · Posted: Oct 12, 2019 2:55 PM ET 2244 Comments Richard Ade Just voted for my local conservative candidate yesterday at an advanced poll. We can do this! Robert Paul Reply to @Richard Ade: My wife and I did the same yesterday. I agree we can do this if we all get out to vote. We can bring the country back to sane, balanced, principled people with real experience and take it away from actors and clowns. Mo Bennett Reply to @Robert Paul: not with reformacons ya can't. remember Steve! David Raymond Amos Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Remember me? Methinks you understand I am talking about you and your political heroes as I run again in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas? David Raymond Amos Reply to @Robert Paul: The Fat Lady ain't sung at the Circus yet and I get to play my part at the circus with one of clowns working for Harper 2.0. There will be a debate in Hampton on October 17th for the seat in Fundy Royal. Folks can't deny that this is the 3rd I have run against the lawyer Rob Moore. The last time was the Minister who oversaw ACOA and then became the "Shadow Cabinet Minister" for the Conservatives after the folks booted them all out their seats in the last election Methinks many would agree that the liberals did not win the last election. The fact is that the majority of Canadians wanted to make certain that the Conservatives and the NDP lost and while Trudeau conned a lot of folks with his promises of electoral reform. Now its the liberals turn to learn lesson about the Maritimers Harper called defeatists Many of us still don't smoke dope be it legal or not N'esy Pas? Neo Caleb Anderson Doing my part to vote PM Trudeau out of office. "Everything that has a beginning has an end". Look forward to witnessing the end of this current liberal government. David Raymond Amos Reply to @Neo Caleb Anderson: Thanks to Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger Donald Sutherland and I can finally vote too. Methinks many folks know I am doing my part as an Independent in Fundy Royal running against all the political parties for blatantly obvious reasons for the 7th time I used to suggest that folks vote for the NDP but now I say vote for me N'esy Pas? Now back to efforts to expose the rampant public corruption within the cyber world called Social Media In the real world the awful truth I must confess that even if I could succeed in convincing every person I debated in front of in this election to vote for me and I would stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected in light of the fact that the corporate media won't even mention the fact that I exist. Well guess who is blogging then tweeting about this email? Simple Google my name go to my Twitter account and you will find this email in its entirety with one of my blogs. As Dante once wrote sometimes from a small spark there came burst a mighty flame and nearly everybody knows somebody with a smart phone with a link to Facebook etc correct? Well we have a whole week before the Fat Lady sings about the current circus commonly known as a federal election.. Food for Thought try Googling "Nobody Will Say My Name" This YouTube will be the top hit and few of my blogs as well Listen to what I said about CBC BEFORE they proved their malice again on October 17th, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch? Nobody Will Say My Name Oct 7, 2015 David Amos ---------- Original message ---------- From: Craig Mills <craigstuartmills1@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 12:00:42 -0300 Subject: Meet the Candidates, Thursday October 17th 6:30pm to 9:00pm To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, david.raymond.amos333@gmail. snavej14@gmail.com Dear Candidates, We at the Hampton Area Chamber of Commerce are hosting a Meet the Candidates evening for local residents and businesses at the Hampton Middle School auditorium. The evening is *Thursday, October 17th from 6:30pm to 9:00pm*. We would really appreciate if you could attend this event. When I receive confirmation, we will send along an agenda for the evening asap. If you have any questions or concerns do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards, Craig Mills Past President Hampton Area Chamber of Commerce Terry Seguin of CBC announced recently that only people with a national leader could speak on his political panels. WOW I wonder if he would dare announce such a thing if the lawyer Jody Wilson Raybould or her gal pal Jane Philpott were running in the area. Trust that there is an interesting circus coming to Hampton on Oct 17th exactly 4 years to the day that CBC published this VERY partisan BULLSHIT that I predicted. https://www.cbc.ca/news/ Fundy Royal campaign targets middle class with focus on jobs Fundy Royal voters have elected Conservatives all but 1 time in 28 elections over 101 years CBC News · Posted: Oct 17, 2015 6:00 AM AT Methinks we all know the outcome of the last election and now appropriately named lawyer Rob Moore has been chomping at the bit to get back what he thinks is HIS seat N'esy Pas? For the record there was no mention of of any debates in Sussex or Hampton until I shook some trees after I heard that I had been excluded in some debates and dinners already. The same holds true with getting Rogers TV to do something. This what I said out of the gate in the debates in Hampton 4 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch? The dog in blue coat versus Gandalf Oct 8, 2015 David Amos ---------- Original message ---------- From: jmwilson@mta.ca Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 23:48:12 -0300 Subject: Coffee with the Candidates at the Albert County Museum To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail. Greetings, I would like to invite you to 'Coffee with the Candidates' at the Albert County Museum. All candidates attending will be permitted to make a short statement and have a table for campaign literature. The event is scheduled for 2pm on Oct.12th. Please confirm whether you will be able to attend. James Wilson, Organizer Need I say that I don't believe the bullshit I heard this weekend as to why Rogers TV edited the recording of our debate on Oct 8th. Their many other YOUTUBE videos easily prove that they do not need releases to publish what was said and done in PUBLIC. Nobody does. I sincerely believe the video of our debate was edited for VERY partisan political reasons not legal reasons. No doubt some folks recall my recording what was said. Now they know why. Lets just call this an email about YouTube from the past https://www.youtube.com/watch? Special Presentation Oct 11, 2019 Rogers tv Coverage of the 2019 Federal Election Debates, for the Fundy Royal Riding 4 Comments David Amos Why did you not present the whole debate? IndieMediaEastcoast Canada Dave, circus is a great metaphor David Amos @IndieMediaEastcoast Canada Who care what Sally Cunliffe thinks about anything? b1untrama Lmao Furthermore if what was said was remotely true then I would love to review a release I signed in 2015 because I honestly don't recall signing such a thing before this video of Rogers TV was aired on Canada's airwaves in 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch? Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV Oct 1, 2015 Rogers tv Need I say that the Rogers TV video presented on October 1st, 2015 easily proved that CBC broke the law when they denied that I was running for a seat in Parliament again on October 17th, 2015 particularly after I had predicted that they would within my lawsuit filed in Federal Court exactly one month before? https://davidraymondamos3. Friday, 18 September 2015 David Raymond Amos Versus The Crown T-1557-15 Methinks nobody should deny the fact that years later 2 members of the RCMP and even the very infamous French blogger Chucky Leblanc who knows all the politicians very well came to watch the circus in the Federal Court of Appeal N'esy Pas? https://www.youtube.com/watch? David Amos Federal Court Date is today at 2:00pm at the Federal Building!!! May 23, 2017 Charles Leblanc https://www.youtube.com/watch? Chucky Leblanc playing his political pals in my old stomping grounds Sep 20, 2013 David Amos Need I say I enjoyed meeting my political foes in R.B Bennett's old stomping grounds? Listen to what I said about the best Prime Minister we ever had on the radio during the last election https://www.youtube.com/watch? The CROWN Versus Mean Old Me Oct 18, 2015 David Amos Just Listen or Read http://davidraymondamos3. https://www.youtube.com/watch? Me and Louis Riel versus the RCMP Oct 8, 2015 David Amos Anybody remember this conversation with Stevey Boy Murphy at Xmasstime in 2005? https://www.youtube.com/watch? Me,Myself and I Apr 2, 2013 David Amos How about my talking to the talkshow arsehole Tom Young on Rogers Radio after the election of the 39th Parliament was history https://www.youtube.com/watch? Tom Young Dec 12, 2012 David Amos Trust there is much more on my YouTube Channels but here is a few examples for folks in Fundy Royal to consider before polling day https://www.youtube.com/watch? Potash and BHP versus Mean Old Me Oct 8, 2015 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? Maritime Lumber Bureau Apr 4, 2013 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? "Just Dave" pissed off Jun 8, 2008 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? "Just Dave" pissed off2 Jun 8, 2008 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? Werner's Documents Jun 8, 2008 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? Werner's Documents2 Jun 8, 2008 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? Dean Roger Ray aka Dirty Dicky Dean STOLE this video and Huffington Post Promoted it May 20, 2008 David Amos I do not appreciate GOOGLE allowing other people to steal my work particularly after they killed my old faithful YOUTUBE account http://www.youtube.com/user/ My Channel and old blog worked fine before GOOGLE bought the company and then killed them both it based on false flagging of TROLLS such as Dean Roger Ray and Scott Agnew many friends within GOOGLE's and FaceBooks domains Here is one comment the RCMP and GOOGLE's should review ASAP http://www.youtube.com/watch? Once folks quit watching the porn that the Diddler Dana Durnford puts up in my name and quit reading his butt buddy's Dirty Dicky Dean's nonsense and that of their Zionist Platooncommander Mr Baconfat53 say about mean old me and everybody else and simply listen for a bit. These three stooges who ARE RCMP shills are proving that my complaint against the CROWN will be a cakewalk once their malice becomes common knowledge blogtalkradio com/YouThinkYouKnow/2009/05/ DavidRaymondAmos 2 years ago Here are but few of the Wacko Fatso Dean Roger Ray's many channels http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://www.youtube.com/watch? http://teslacoils2001- Here is some videos about the RCMP versus Me https://www.youtube.com/watch? RCMP in Fat Fred City Pt 1 Apr 1, 2013 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? RCMP in Fat Fred City Pt 2 Apr 1, 2013 David Amos https://www.youtube.com/watch? Speak of the Devil and Cst. Mark Blakely of the RCMP appears Apr 4, 2013 David Amos Need I say that Rudolf Neumayer the nasty PPC dude who has no time for anyone pissed off the wrong guy this weekend? Trust that I would love to watch him argue Mad Max's platform with the Dairy Farmers in Fundy Royal. Isuspect he will a noshow like he was on Oct 8th. Whereas his insulted about my doings online perhaps Rudy Baby should take up his concerns about my integrity with the RCMP passing out traffic tickets in Fundy Royal instead investigating very serious crimes. No doubt Mad Max and the PPC will ignore this video again but I did post a comment directed at them https://www.youtube.com/watch? RCMP Sussex New Brunswick Apr 5, 2013 David Amos January 30, 2007 WITHOUT PREJUDICE Mr. David Amos Dear Mr. Amos: This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve Graham of the RCMP °J" Division in Fredericton. Sincerely, Honourable Michael B. Murphy Minister of Health CM/cb CLEARLY THE RCMP/GRC AND THE KPMG PALS DO NOT KNOW HOW TO READ LET ALONE COUNT BEANS EH? Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500 From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca, nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net, motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com, John.Foran@gnb.ca, Oda.B@parl.gc.ca, "Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have n Dear Mr. Amos, Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns. As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done. As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada and the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment policing in Petitcodiac, NB. It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors. Sincerely, Warren McBeath, Cpl. GRC Caledonia RCMP Traffic Services NCO Ph: (506) 387-2222 Fax: (506) 387-4622 E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "McKnight, Gisele" McKnight.Gisele@kingscorecord. To: lcampenella@ledger.com Cc:motomaniac_02186@hotmail. Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: David Amos Hello Lisa, David Amos asked me to contact you. I met him last June after he became an independent (not representing any political party) candidate in our federal election that was held June 28. He was a candidate in our constituency of Fundy (now called Fundy-Royal). I wrote a profile story about him, as I did all other candidates. That story appeared in the Kings County Record June 22. A second story, written by one of my reporters, appeared on the same date, which was a report on the candidates' debate held June 18. As I recall David Amos came last of four candidates in the election.The winner got 14,997 votes, while Amos got 358. I have attached the two stories that appeared, as well as a photo taken by reporter Erin Hatfield during the debate. I couldn't find the photo that ran, but this one is very similar. Gisele McKnight editor Kings County Record Sussex, New Brunswick Canada 506-433-1070 A1-debate A1-amos,David for MP 24.doc debate 2.JPG Raising a Little Hell- Lively Debate Provokes Crowd By Erin Hatfield "If you don't like what you got, why don't you change it? If your world is all screwed up, rearrange it." The 1979 Trooper song Raise a Little Hell blared on the speakers at the 8th Hussars Sports Center Friday evening as people filed in to watch the Fundy candidates debate the issues. It was an accurate, if unofficial, theme song for the debate. The crowd of over 200 spectators was dwarfed by the huge arena, but as they chose their seats, it was clear the battle lines were drawn. Supporters of Conservative candidate Rob Moore naturally took the blue chairs on the right of the rink floor while John Herron's Liberalswent left. There were splashes of orange, supporters of NDP Pat Hanratty, mixed throughout. Perhaps the loudest applause came from a row towards the back, where supporters of independent candidate David Amos sat. The debate was moderated by Leo Melanson of CJCW Radio and was organized by the Sussex Valley Jaycees. Candidates wereasked a barrage of questions bypanelists Gisele McKnight of the Kings County Record and Lisa Spencer of CJCW. Staying true to party platforms for the most part, candidates responded to questions about the gun registry, same sex marriage, the exodus of young people from the Maritimes and regulated gas prices. Herron and Moore were clear competitors,constantly challenging each other on their answers and criticizing each others’ party leaders. Hanratty flew under the radar, giving short, concise responses to the questions while Amos provided some food for thought and a bit of comic relief with quirky answers. "I was raised with a gun," Amos said in response to the question of thenational gun registry. "Nobody's getting mine and I'm not paying 10 cents for it." Herron, a Progressive Conservative MP turned Liberal, veered from his party'splatform with regard to gun control. "It was ill advised but well intentioned," Herron said. "No matter what side of the house I am on, I'm voting against it." Pat Hanratty agreed there were better places for the gun registry dollars to be spent.Recreational hunters shouldn't have been penalized by this gun registry," he said. The gun registry issues provoked the tempers of Herron and Moore. At one point Herron got out of his seat and threw a piece of paper in front of Moore. "Read that," Herron said to Moore, referring to the voting record of Conservative Party leader Steven Harper. According to Herron, Harper voted in favour of the registry on the first and second readings of the bill in 1995. "He voted against it when it counted, at final count," Moore said. "We need a government with courage to register sex offenders rather than register the property of law abiding citizens." The crowd was vocal throughout the evening, with white haired men and women heckling from the Conservative side. "Shut up John," one woman yelled. "How can you talk about selling out?" a man yelled whenHerron spoke about his fear that the Conservatives are selling farmers out. Although the Liberal side was less vocal, Kings East MLA Leroy Armstrong weighed in at one point. "You’re out of touch," Armstrong yelled to Moore from the crowd when the debate turned to the cost of post-secondary education. Later in the evening Amos challenged Armstrong to a public debate of their own. "Talk is cheap. Any time, anyplace," Armstrong responded. As the crowd made its way out of the building following the debate, candidates worked the room. They shook hands with well-wishers and fielded questions from spectators-all part of the decision-making process for the June 28 vote. Cutline – David Amos, independent candidate in Fundy, with some of his favourite possessions—motorcycles. McKnight/KCR The Unconventional Candidate David Amos Isn’t Campaigning For Your Vote, But…. By Gisele McKnight FUNDY—He has a pack of cigarettes in his shirt pocket, a chain on his wallet, a beard at least a foot long, 60 motorcycles and a cell phone that rings to the tune of "Yankee Doodle." Meet the latest addition to the Fundy ballot—David Amos. The independent candidate lives in Milton, Massachusetts with his wife and two children, but his place of residence does not stop him from running for office in Canada. One has only to be at least 18, a Canadian citizen and not be in jail to meet Elections Canada requirements. When it came time to launch his political crusade, Amos chose his favourite place to do so—Fundy. Amos, 52, is running for political office because of his dissatisfaction with politicians. "I’ve become aware of much corruption involving our two countries," he said. "The only way to fix corruption is in the political forum." The journey that eventually led Amos to politics began in Sussex in 1987. He woke up one morning disillusioned with life and decided he needed to change his life. "I lost my faith in mankind," he said. "People go through that sometimes in midlife." So Amos, who’d lived in Sussex since 1973, closed his Four Corners motorcycle shop, paid his bills and hit the road with Annie, his 1952 Panhead motorcycle. "Annie and I rode around for awhile (three years, to be exact) experiencing the milk of human kindness," he said. "This is how you renew your faith in mankind – you help anyone you can, you never ask for anything, but you take what they offer." For those three years, they offered food, a place to sleep, odd jobs and conversation all over North America. Since he and Annie stopped wandering, he has married, fathered a son and a daughter and become a house-husband – Mr. Mom, as he calls himself. He also describes himself in far more colourful terms—a motorcyclist rather than a biker, a "fun-loving, free-thinking, pig-headed individual," a "pissed-off Maritimer" rather than an activist, a proud Canadian and a "wild colonial boy." Ironically, the man who is running for office has never voted in his life. "But I have no right to criticize unless I offer my name," he said. "It’s alright to bitch in the kitchen, but can you walk the walk?" Amos has no intention of actively campaigning. "I didn’t appreciate it when they (politicians) pounded on my door interrupting my dinner," he said. "If people are interested, they can call me. I’m not going to drive my opinions down their throats." And he has no campaign budget, nor does he want one. "I won’t take any donations," he said. "Just try to give me some. It’s not about money. It goes against what I’m fighting about." What he’s fighting for is the discussion of issues – tainted blood, the exploitation of the Maritimes’ gas and oil reserves and NAFTA, to name a few. "The political issues in the Maritimes involve the three Fs – fishing, farming and forestry, but they forget foreign issues," he said. "I’m death on NAFTA, the back room deals and free trade. I say chuck it (NAFTA) out the window. NAFTA is the North American Free Trade Agreement which allows an easier flow of goods between Canada, the United States and Mexico. Amos disagrees with the idea that a vote for him is a wasted vote. "There are no wasted votes," he said. "I want people like me, especially young people, to pay attention and exercise their right. Don’t necessarily vote for me, but vote." Although…if you’re going to vote anyway, Amos would be happy to have your X by his name. "I want people to go into that voting booth, see my name, laugh and say, ‘what the hell.’" Thats some interesting history about Fundy Royal you don't see everyday EH? On 10/9/19, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. ---------- Original message ---------- From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 10:41:43 -0300 Subject: Well John at least now you know that I am no liar Correct? We should certainly enjoy our coffee on the 12th To: John Evans <johnevans.nca@gmail.com> Cc: robmoorefundy <robmoorefundy@gmail.com>, alaina <alaina@alainalockhart.ca>, motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com> On 10/9/19, John Evans <johnevans.nca@gmail.com> wrote: > What is ths where A. Lockhart says they have lifted 31,000 NewBrunswickers > out of poverty? Up their welfare? With no training or nob skills it is > nothing but welfare on this CCB crap.No schooling or skills trainng with > liberal/ > conservative welfare. > > On Wed., Oct. 9, 2019, 9:33 a.m. David Amos, < > david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 13:10:15 -0300 >> Subject: Re: The lawyer Rob Moore IS NOT IN THE GOVENMENT that >> oversees the CRA that deleted my SIN many years ago >> To: John Evans <john.evans@gmail.com>, tim.thompson@greenparty.ca, >> rudolf_neumayer@yahoo.ca, robmoorefundy@gmail.com, >> alaina@alainalockhart.ca >> Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "Dale.Morgan" >> <Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts" >> <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, >> "Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, >> "barbara.massey" <barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca >> >> Who do you think you are Bullshitting? Perhaps you Party Leader who is >> running for billy Casey's old seat in Amherst should have a long talk >> with that wacko in Sackville who is sending me messages though YouTube >> about the RCMP and I EH? >> >> On 9/29/19, John Evans <john.evans@gmail.com> wrote: >> > you have the wrong John Evans. Please remove this email address from >> > all >> > your lists and databases immediately. >> > >> > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 at 16:40, David Amos < >> david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> > wrote: >> > >> >> "Rob Moore, Conservative Party of Canada: We provide a guaranteed >> >> annual income to seniors in Canada through the Guaranteed Income >> >> Supplement and Old Age Security. Our plan to help New Brunswickers get >> >> ahead is to lower taxes, scrap the carbon tax, take the GST off home >> >> heating and make parental leave benefits tax free. For working age >> >> people, we need to let people keep more of the money they earn. We >> >> also need to encourage job creation and invest in infrastructure so >> >> employment is available in our region". >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Furthermore Rob Moore certainly does not provide me with my CPP and >> >> OAS which I began contributing to years before he was born >> >> >> >> As a businessman in Fundy Royal years ago I also had to pay towards my >> >> worker's CPP and UI premiums. In a nutshell it is our money not the >> >> government's It is also the same money Paul Martin took to help his >> >> budget look good about the same time the CRA cancelled my SIN >> >> >> >> >> >> Veritas Vincit >> >> David Raymond Amos >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/28/19, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> >> > http://www. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Art Auction & Dinner - Museum Fundraiser >> >> > >> >> > 25/9/2019 >> >> > >> >> > 0 Comments >> >> > >> >> > Picture >> >> > Art Auction & Dinner - Museum Fundraiser in support of for Albert >> >> > County’s 175th Anniversary in 2020! >> >> > September 28th (Saturday) 6:00 – 9:00 pm – Hopewell Cape Community >> Hall >> >> > Unique Artwork being commissioned by local artists >> >> > Live and silent auction feature one-of-a-kind art and Live Music >> >> > VIP Tour of the Museum with local Historians >> >> > Steak Dinner and Cash Bar featuring local food and drink >> >> > Tickets in Advance: $45 by calling 734-2003 or you can go on-line: >> >> > >> >> >> https://www. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I posted the comment below before I called you expecting to come >> >> > down >> >> > as a candidate You did not say one word about this yesterday and >> >> > your >> >> > buddy never called about some debate you said is on the 12th >> >> > >> >> > Small wonder I don't believe you >> >> > >> >> > Veritas Vincit >> >> > David Raymond Amos >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> >> > From: Connecting Albert County <connectingalbertcounty@gmail. >> >> > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:51:25 -0300 >> >> > Subject: CAC political coverage >> >> > To: David.Raymond.Amos333@gmail. >> >> > >> >> > Hi David >> >> > When were you confirmed as a candidate? I didn't see your name on >> >> > the >> >> list >> >> > when I sent out the questions. >> >> > Janet >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Janet Wallace >> >> > Coordinator >> >> > >> >> > Connecting Albert County >> >> > www.ConnectingAlbertCounty.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > CAC Political Forum 2019- Guaranteed Income >> >> > >> >> > 24/9/2019 >> >> > >> >> > 1 Comment >> >> > >> >> > We asked readers "What matters to you in the upcoming federal >> >> > election?" We sent the questions to all candidates running on Sept. >> >> > 11 >> >> > and have printed their responses, unedited, in the order we received >> >> > them. We did not receive responses from Rudolf Neumayer, People's >> >> > Party of Canada, or Daniel Patrick Grogan, Rhinoceros Party. >> >> > >> >> > What is your party’s position on guaranteed annual income as a means >> >> > to reduce poverty? >> >> > Tim Thompson, Green Party of Canada: Unlike the other parties, the >> >> > Greens do not support big corporate welfare and loopholes that allow >> >> > the wealthy to dodge taxes and collect government handouts. We >> >> > believe >> >> > the wealthy should pay their fair share of taxes, and that money >> >> > should be used to help hardworking Canadians get ahead. We support a >> >> > guaranteed basic income that will lift people out of poverty and put >> >> > them back to work. A basic income creates more jobs and boosts local >> >> > economies. We know that New Brunswickers are hardworking people, and >> >> > a >> >> > guaranteed basic income would allow people to meet their basic needs >> >> > while putting money back into local economies, rather than the >> >> > pockets >> >> > of wealthy transnational corporations. >> >> > >> >> > Rob Moore, Conservative Party of Canada: We provide a guaranteed >> >> > annual income to seniors in Canada through the Guaranteed Income >> >> > Supplement and Old Age Security. Our plan to help New Brunswickers >> >> > get >> >> > ahead is to lower taxes, scrap the carbon tax, take the GST off home >> >> > heating and make parental leave benefits tax free. For working age >> >> > people, we need to let people keep more of the money they earn. We >> >> > also need to encourage job creation and invest in infrastructure so >> >> > employment is available in our region. >> >> > >> >> > John Evans, National Citizens Alliance: First and foremost, poverty >> >> > will never be totally eradicated from the earth. NCA identifies five >> >> > (5) core areas of poverty. Pertaining to federal jurisdiction. 1) >> >> > Aboriginal Affairs 2) Child Care 3) Income (including annual income, >> >> > minimum wage, welfare and related taxation) 4) Food insecurity 5) >> >> > Social Services (including immigration/integration services). NCA >> >> > has >> >> > a number of policies such as Employment, Economic Growth, Health >> >> > Care >> >> > and Food security that overlap the issue of poverty. NCA believes >> >> > equal and fairness for all Canadians and ensuring middle- and >> >> > lower-income individuals and families have equal and fair >> >> > opportunity. >> >> > >> >> > Alaina Lockhart, Liberal Party of Canada: I believe that all >> >> > Canadians want to see poverty eradicated in our communities. It is >> >> > something we have taken concrete action on over the past four years >> >> > with policies to improve the quality of life for Canadians at all >> >> > stages of life. These policies and benefits are all part of Canada’s >> >> > first ever National Poverty Reduction Strategy that includes the >> >> > Canada Child Benefit, the strengthening of CPP, GIS and OAS and the >> >> > Canada Workers Benefit. These investments have already cut poverty >> >> > rates in half helping lift more than 825,000 Canadians out of >> >> > poverty >> >> > including 31,000 New Brunswickers. We know there is still more work >> >> > to >> >> > do and are committed to staying focused on investments in Canadians >> >> > so >> >> > that everyone has a fair chance of success. >> >> > 1 Comment >> >> > David Raymond Amos >> >> > 28/9/2019 11:48:00 am >> >> > >> >> > Need I say that I found this interesting for obvious reasons >> >> > >> >> > Daniel Patrick Grogan, Rhinoceros Party is even on the ballot yet >> >> > but >> >> > clearly I am >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> https://www.elections.ca/ >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > | |
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