‘Ironic’ that N.B. had unilingual lieutenant-governor, chief justice says
Supreme Court weighs arguments on whether Brenda Murphy’s 2019 appointment was unconstitutional
Canada’s top court spent Thursday grappling with whether the Constitution requires New Brunswick’s lieutenant-governor to be bilingual — and what will happen if the answer turns out to be yes.
Lawyers for the Acadian Society of New Brunswick argued that the position is subject to language-equality provisions of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and that the 2019 appointment of Brenda Murphy violated those guarantees.
“The lieutenant-governor personifies the state,” lawyer Gabriel Poliquin told the nine justices of the Supreme Court of Canada.
The court did not rule Thursday and did not give a date on when it would make its decision.
Comments and questions from several of the justices, including Chief Justice Richard Wagner, suggested they were open to the Acadian society’s argument.
“It’s a bit ironic that the only bilingual province in Canada has at its head a person who is unilingual,” he said, adding the circumstances were "surprising."
The society launched the lawsuit after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appointed Murphy, who was unilingual, to the position in 2019.
Court of King’s Bench Chief Justice Tracey DeWare ruled in 2022 that the choice was unconstitutional. The New Brunswick Court of Appeal overturned that in 2024.
Murphy’s term ended earlier this year, and her replacement, Louise Imbeault, speaks French and English fluently.
The Charter requires the New Brunswick Legislature and government to function bilingually and to offer services to the public in both English and French, but that obligation doesn’t extend to every provincial employee.
Supreme Court weighs whether N.B. lieutenant-governor must be bilingualInstead, it’s the institution as a whole that must provide bilingual service, not individuals.
The federal government argued Thursday that the same logic extends to the lieutenant-governor, who has a support staff that can communicate in both languages.
Federal lawyer Lindy Rouillard-Labbé said the institution was complying with the Charter.
But the society said the lieutenant-governor’s role is unique, because no one else can perform her functions, such as signing bills into law, approving cabinet decisions or dissolving the legislature for an election.
Many of the justices’ questions turned on that point.
Justice Michelle O’Bonsawin asked what would happen if a unilingual francophone premier of New Brunswick went to see a unilingual anglophone lieutenant-governor to ask for the legislature to be dissolved for an election.
“How will they understand each other?” she asked. “They’re unilingual, but they speak different languages, and that’s a function the lieutenant-governor can’t delegate.”
Rouillard-Labbé said it was “possible to imagine different hypotheticals,” but the real question was whether the cabinet order appointing Murphy violated the Charter.
She argued it was not.
Other justices pushed back at the Acadian Society’s case.
Justice Malcolm Rowe questioned Poliquin’s argument that Murphy’s appointment was a symbolic rebuke to francophones because it showed a lack of respect.
“Is your submission also pertinent to the position of premier of New Brunswick?” he asked, pointing out that former premier Blaine Higgs did not speak French either.
“It’s a question of dignity, it’s a question of symbolism, it’s a question of the acceptance of the two languages. … If the premier is unilingual, isn’t that unconstitutional as well?”
Poliquin responded that the principle applied in different ways to different positions, because the lieutenant-governor’s main role is to represent the state and the premier’s position is elected.
When Rowe pressed the point, Wagner cut in: “The lieutenant-governor’s role is linked to the individual. The premier, it’s a government. It’s very different.”
The court also heard arguments on what may happen if it rules that Murphy’s appointment was unconstitutional and should be overturned.
Lawyers for the New Brunswick government say this could create legal chaos by invalidating every law, cabinet order and appointment that Murphy signed during her five years in the position.
Justice Nicholas Kasirer asked the society if the court could instead simply issue a legal declaration that people appointed in the future must be bilingual, without invalidating Murphy’s selection and all her actions.
Another Acadian society lawyer, Érik Labelle Eastaugh, argued against that.
He said the court should invalidate the appointment but could suspend the effect of its ruling long enough for the legislature to pass omnibus legislation to re-adopt and restore everything Murphy did, this time with Imbeault signing off in the position.
Corrections
- A previous version of this story misidentified a photo of Chief Justice Richard Wagner as Justice Malcolm Rowe.Nov 13, 2025 6:32 PM AST
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Acadian group launches legal challenge over unilingual lieutenant-governor
Lt.-Gov. Brenda Murphy says she's determined to improve her French-language skills
The office of Lt.-Gov. Brenda Murphy confirmed days after her
appointment that she is learning to speak French. (Government of New
Brunswick)
The New Brunswick Acadian Society has filed an application with
the Court of Queen's Bench to challenge the recent appointment of
Lt.-Gov. Brenda Murphy, who speaks only English.
"We want the
federal government to ensure that on its list of federal appointments
that require proficiency in both official languages, that'
lieutenant-governor of New Brunswick' be on that list," said Ali
Chiasson, the executive director of the New Brunswick Acadian Society.
New Brunswick is the only province that has two official languages, French and English.
Ali Chiasson, the executive director of the New Brunswick
Acadian Society, said the organization wants the position of
lieutenant-governor to have a bilingual representative. (Radio-Canada)
Only 11 positions within the federal government must have
a bilingual representative, according to the Language Skills Act.
Chiasson said the application is calling for the position of
lieutenant-governor of New Brunswick be the 12th.
The
application also calls for the cancellation of Murphy's appointment, but
in an interview with CBC News, Chiasson said that isn't the goal.
"Obviously,
our objective here is to get the regulation changed, to get the profile
changed on the federal side. This is not about Ms. Murphy.
"This
is about a process and the fact that when you appoint a
lieutenant-governor for New Brunswick that there's no language profile."
Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau and Gov. Gen. Julie Payette are listed as the
respondents in the application, but they have not filed responses with
the court.
The application says Trudeau didn't respect his
obligations under the linguistic responsibilities section
of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms when he recommended
Murphy as the lieutenant-governor and later appointed her.
Murphy was sworn in as lieutenant-governor on Sept. 8. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
Murphy was sworn in Sept. 8. A few days
later, her office confirmed she wasn't ready to do any French
interviews but added that she was learning French.
In a news
release, Murphy's office said she is aware of the Acadian organization's
decision to take action, and she acknowledges the importance of
communicating in both official languages.
"I remain committed to
improving my French-language skills over the course of my mandate so
that I can serve both the French and English communities well," Murphy
said in the release.
The application also cited the Official Languages Act of Canada, which obliges the New Brunswick government to provide services in both English and French.
"New Brunswick has a unique linguistic regime," Chiasson said.
"We think it's time the federal government take into consideration the unique regime that exists in New Brunswick and that the federal government … takes proper steps and actions to ensure a linguistic element is an intrinsic part that encompasses the profile of which they base a nomination."
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David Raymond Amos
Methinks Ali Chiasson, the executive director of the New Brunswick Acadian Society should ask Brenda Murphy if she is ever going to answer the letter and documents I delivered in hand to his cousin Herménégilde Chiasson's minions in 2004 when Kevin Vickers of the RCMP was his aide de campe while I was illegally barred from the parliamentary property during the time I was running in the election of the 38th Parliament N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
September 11th, 2004
Dear Mr. Amos,
On behalf of Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,
I acknowledge receipt of two sets of documents and CD regarding corruption,
one received from you directly, and the other forwarded to us by the Office of
the Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick.
I regret to inform you that the Governor General cannot intervene in
matters that are the responsibility of elected officials and courts of Justice of
Canada. You already contacted the various provincial authorities regarding
your concerns, and these were the appropriate steps to take.
Yours sincerely.
Renee Blanchet
Office of the Secretary
to the Governor General”
"The application also cited the Official Languages Act of Canada, which obliges the New Brunswick government to provide services in both English and French."
Methinks Ali Chiasson should send the lawyers acting on behalf of the New Brunswick Acadian Society to Federal Court in Fat Fred City and pull my files in order to verify that the illegal barring document is in one language only N'esy Pas?
Methinks if their lawyers are wiseguys they would remove the matter to Federal Court in Fat Fred City then respond N'esy Pas?
Methinks the SANB made a major Faux Pas I have no doubt whatsoever that many Anglos and Acadians will be discussing this ridiculous lawsuit over the Yuletide season and that not many will be impressed by the actions of the lawyers who dreamed it up N'esy Pas?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Me thinks good ole Mikey has his fingers in this pie..
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: The liberals are out in full force at the CBC tonight.. Have to control the dialogue and suppress facts and opinions at every turn...
David Raymond Amos
Guy Laplante
I thought NB was the only officially bilingual province of the country. I guess I am wrong.
Marilyn Carr
Reply to @Guy Laplante: we arnt bilingual...we have 75% english only population.
Mack Leigh
Marc Bourque
give her a chance and see from there ...
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: BINGO
Theo Lavigne
Reply to @Cam Randal: Dream on
David Raymond Amos
Kyle Woodman
Oh boy. Here we go.
Theo Lavigne
Cam Randal
Actions like this only turns some members of the majority against this group that pretends to act on behalf of the largest minority in the province.
Most likely, there is someone in the LG office who is fluent in "Acadian French". This is a waste of time and resources!
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: he is smart enough to know not to get into a issing contest with a kunk.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @Mack Leigh: Methinks many agree with you and the PANB N'esy Pas?
Brian Robertson
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Every time these Acadian activists launch a legal challenge, the government should withdraw a percent of their funding.
Ingratitude for all that has been done to accommodate them should come with a price,
Chantal LeBouthi:
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Reply to @Brian Robertson:
What a load of crap
JJ Carrier
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Before the cliche racists here have the last say, let us remember that the hopes of the Anglo radical minority are the same as the Franco radical minority...Both are right wing parties of complainers, but one side speaks two languages will the other speaks in circa 1987 anti-McKenna rhetoric, hoping the re-birth of CoR via the PANB will fly in like a saviour...May you dance together in your own stubborn foolishness...And the L-G of a bilingual province should speak both of our unforked tongues, not one..
David Raymond Amos
Charles Leblanc gold found in Sussex
Mack Leigh
Poorest
province in Canada is nothing...nothing to be proud of.. Forced
Officially Bilingual is the driving force behind our trip to the bottom
of the pile . Millions yet even billions wasted all in an effort to
appease a bigoted, selfish, self-serving group of Elites who have not
one ounce of interest in what it is costing the people of this province
and country... Time to shut it down.
David Raymond Amos
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: BINGO
David Guitard
Eliminate this useless position; not needed or wanted.
Mack Leigh
Greg Miller
This bilingual thing is really starting to p ss me off. It's not the everyday association with fellow citizens whether they be Anglophone or Francophone everything is fine at that level. It's just the non-stop bickering and waste of energy and pettiness that a small number of New Brunswickers and various institutions spend their time on.
David Raymond Amos
Jake Newman
hopefully this lawsuit will be thrown out with cost.
however it's time to get rid of these positions--governor general & Lt.-Gov waste of tax payer money
David Raymond Amos
Albert Wade
When the civil service and positions like LG no longer reflect the population there will be a heavy price to pay. Petty language politics is destroying NB.
David Raymond Amos
Corrections
An earlier version of this story stated the Official Languages Act of Canada obliges the New Brunswick government to provide services in both English and French. In fact, the act applies to the federal government and not the provincial government.
Dec 23, 2019 7:51 PM AT
Kevin Perley
She's learning french, the court should tell these fools to give the woman a chance.
David Raymond Amos
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Kevin Perley: Learning french should be a matter of choice not force.. Perhaps she is Scottish and would prefer to learn Gaelic ? Perhaps she is Italian and would prefer to learn that language... With translation devices and the global language being English part of her " rights " should be the right to choose.
Kevin Perley
Reply to @Mack Leigh: My point is they've launched a lawsuit while she is attempting to comply with their "requirement", whether it is a legitimate requirement or not.
Omer Samson
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And just when you *thought* it couldn't get any more stupid around here.........
David Raymond Amos
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Mack Leigh
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New Brunswick's Lieutenant Governor should be bilingual. That should have been considered before making the appointment. With Ms. Murphy's appointment already made, she will fill out her mandated time in this position. This however, should be the last time a unilingual person is put in this ceremonial office.
David Raymond Amos
Robin Ellison
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Actually the queen IS bilingual.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Robin Ellison: What is the other lingo Chiac?
Marguerite Deschamps
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Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: is it not your case, tous les soirs?
Mack Leigh
Robin Ellison
The position of Lieutenant Governor is already alternated between an Acadian and an anglophone New Brunswicker. If the requirement is made that all holders of the office be fluently bilingual, would this rotation between Acadian and anglophone holders of the office be dispensed with? I would think so. After all, under the new regime, 90% of Acadians would be eligible to serve as Lieutenant Governor, and only about 15% of anglophones. I'm sure we would end up with Acadian LG's 90% of the time.
David Raymond Amos
Pierre LaRoches
The SANB is always so full of hate and discord. This will backfire, they will lose the case and lose whatever little respect people in the province had for them for sowing this discontent, they literally have no other skill.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Pierre LaRoches: Please explain your assumption of "hate".
BruceJack Speculator aka Corrie Weatherfield
1755 . . . why come back here from nice warm Louisiana anyway?
David Raymond Amos
Mac Isaac
I am actually torn between agreeing with the premise that the position of Lt. Governor should be, IN FUTURE, enacted in legislation as a bilingual position and whether or not such legislation should be applied retroactively. I'm leaning, though, to agreeing that the position should be bilingual in future but that, shown the willingness of Her Excellency Lt. Gov. Brenda Murphy to learn to speak French, she should be allowed to do so. Retroactively applying such legislation seems to me to be rather arbitrary, not to mention totally unnecessary...translation services and her willingness to learn should be taken into account. If the shoe was on the other foot I hope that same consideration would be...well, considered!
David Raymond Amos
She was hired under conditions the position didn’t require bilingual. She’d have in doozy of a wrongful dismal case if it was made retroactive.
Greg Smith aka James Smith
Google translate is a free app. I use it all the time in Quebec. Get over it.
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Lou Bell
Who dug this one up , D'Entremont ????? AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Reply to @Lou Bell: Would strongly suggest that little Mikey has a finger in this pot as usual...
So who at SANB got passed over for the job?
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Did good ole Mikey Doucet apply for this position as well as the numerous others.. Since he was recognized as " special " by NB politicians perhaps he felt entitled to the position ?
David Raymond Amos
Tom Simmons
We should split the difference and get a mandarin or Arabic speaking one
David Raymond Amos
Johnny Horton
It is important to remember when SANB refers to bilingual they mean French with impossible to understand English skills.
I’m actually pro bilingualism. I just have a different definition of the term than SANB DOES!
We would have had 40 years of high school graduates all bilinwual by now,
BruceJack Speculator aka Corrie Weatherfield
Me and my money are leaving very soon.
Enough of this place.
I have french doors in my house !
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Bill Hamilton
As long as language trumps other job qualifications, NB will remain financially and socially bankrupt . Merry Christmas and Joyeux Noel.
David Raymond Amos
I'm surprised that the Acadie are not pushing to have the last one investigated not only for not being able to speak English unless it was in print in front of her but also
her expense account..
David Raymond Amos
Guy Richard
NB would be such a great place to live without the SANB constantly stirring up trouble.
Mack Leigh
Fred Brewer
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Alex Butt
Ridiculous waste of money and time this province doesn't have!
Helen Gorne
Reply to @Alex Butt: NB thrives on trivia. It doesn't have the money or talent to do anything really constructive and if and when the only large profit making company leave, I hope they turn the lights out because the I-ving haters will not have the money to pay the bill.
David Raymond Amos
Helen Gorne
Landing at Moncton Airport. " Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to Moncton, the temperature is four degrees with a light wind. We thank you for flying ( ) airlines and please put your watches back 75 years"
Mack Leigh
And exactly how does the self-serving, selfish , bigoted group SANB afford all of these contentious, divisive lawsuits against the people of New Brunswick, you might ask.... Why compliments of the Canadian taxpayers who, thru federal and provincial governments hand them millions every year..... Time to relegate them to the bullying , lobbying group that they really are and cut off all of their taxpayer funding including those from Heritage Canada.
David Raymond Amos
Paul Bourgoin
The more it changes here in NB the more it remains the same! The minute New Brunswick residents, English and French appear to be united the division committee sets out the disunion philosophy like now. No wonder we are the have not Province or should I say Atlantic Canada is run like a kingdom and guess from where the Powerful NB Royal family Governs or should I say controls Atlantic Canada!
David Raymond Amos
Peter Baxter
After 50 years of being the only officially bilingual province....we are officially the poorest province
But hey....as long as the perpetually disgruntled we keep fighting in the legal system......some will think it is worth it
David Raymond Amos
Mack Leigh
New Brunswick will never be a united province until the Forced Official Bilingualism fiasco is completely vacated and government returns to " where numbers warrant "... Time to end the forced social engineering project that has helped bring this province to its' knees.
Reply to @Mack Leigh: YUP
Omer Samson
Dwight Mullover
1st world problems. I'd have no issue if the Lt G spoke French only. Its not like we don't have translators. Good lord people find the most petty things to cry about.
David Raymond Amos
Roy Kirk
A nice legal point to be equitably settled in the courts. But if anyone really thinks that such an appointee has any inherent understanding of the legislation to which they assent, they're dreaming in technicolor. The Cabinet doesn't usually know whet it's doing, so why should the L-G?
David Raymond Amos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/pension-reform-lawsuits-costs-1.4732109
Simeon Elliott
Let’s just get rid of this costly figure head position.
Gary MacKay
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David Raymond Amos
This is beyond belief!
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Marc LeBlanc: Nothing greedy people do amazes me anymore.
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Omer Samson
Reply to @John Haigh: How so? Please elaborate.
For anyone who doesn't get it: "Learning either French or English should be a matter of choice not force". That is all the SANB is about. Now cut it out with that talk of "hate" and "disgust". Canadians are watching.
Premier faces legal and political pressure in lieutenant-governor case
Province’s legal filing to Supreme Court on bilingualism issue sparked anger among francophone leaders
For weeks, francophone Liberal MLAs remained silent as pressure mounted on them to speak up about the first language controversy to confront the Susan Holt government.
Now that one of them has spoken out, it's clear the premier finds herself in a legal and political conundrum.
The provincial government is arguing to the Supreme Court of Canada that the Constitution does not require New Brunswick's lieutenant-governor to be bilingual.
That argument — identical to the one taken by the previous Progressive Conservative government of Blaine Higgs — has angered and alarmed many francophones.
"I want to be very clear: the lieutenant-governor of an officially bilingual province must be bilingual," Tourism, Heritage and Culture Minister Isabelle Thériault told Radio-Canada.
The Caraquet MLA explained she learned of the decision as a fait accompli and she acknowledged the pressure on her has been intense.
"It's been extremely difficult, but I want to reassure people, Acadians, francophones in New Brunswick that I have always defended the rights and interests of the community."
The question is symbolically and constitutionally important.
The lieutenant-governor's role is seen as mainly ceremonial, but it's also a pillar of Canada's constitutional architecture, embodying the Crown's role in Canada's system of government.
Under language equality provisions of the Charter of Rights that apply specifically to New Brunswick, provincial institutions must communicate with citizens in English or French.
The Acadian Society of New Brunswick argues that the person who holds the office of lieutenant-governor becomes the institution, and is therefore covered by the obligation.
The province disagrees in a legal submission it filed with the Supreme Court on July 21.
Lieutenant-governor case puts pressure on Holt, Liberal MLAsThe Acadian Society launched the case against the federal government in 2019 after Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appointed Brenda Murphy, who did not speak French, to the position.
Court of King's Bench Chief Justice Tracey DeWare ruled for the society, writing that the "peculiar and unique role" means no one else can step in to fulfil its functions bilingually.
The New Brunswick Court of Appeal overturned that ruling, finding that the Charter does not impose a bilingualism requirement on the individual office holder.
The Acadian Society appealed that to the Supreme Court, which will hear the case Nov. 13.
While Murphy's term ended in January and the new lieutenant-governor, Louise Imbeault, is bilingual, the society wants a clear ruling for future appointments.
The case turns on a web of constitutional arguments, but as Holt is discovering, it also carries the weight of political expectations.
When the Higgs government filed arguments as an intervenor against the Acadian Society's position, francophones were dismayed but not surprised. They already considered Higgs unsympathetic to their minority-language preoccupations.
From Holt, they expected more.
In 2023, the Liberal leader criticized Higgs's position, suggesting she believed a legal requirement exists.
"We are officially bilingual, we have a Constitution and … the position of lieutenant-governor should be bilingual to serve every New Brunswicker," she said at the time.
Now her government is taking the opposite position, the same one taken under Higgs.
"It is important to note that saying the lieutenant-governor should be bilingual is different from saying it is a constitutional requirement. That legal distinction is what's at the heart of this case," Attorney-General Rob McKee said in a statement.
Letters and opinion articles in the French-language newspaper L'Acadie Nouvelle described the province's stance as "a slap in the face" and spoke of "rage and disappointment."
The Acadian Society hasn't asked the province to completely reverse its position, but to withdraw from the case as an intervenor.
That is easier said than done. While Holt's government has reversed some legal positions taken under Higgs, it would be embarrassing to back away from its own arguments filed in July.
And a win for the Acadian Society could in theory still have important implications for the province.
Liberals risk internal division over the issue
If Murphy's appointment is deemed unconstitutional, the government argued in its July submission, it may invalidate all legislation she signed into law during her five-year term.
In that scenario, the province wants the court to take steps to avoid legal chaos.
The political consequences of the province's intervention may be secondary to that, but they are potentially serious.
Holt knows from watching Higgs's PC caucus implode over gender identity policy in 2023 that internal divisions can be fatal.
So far, Isabelle Thériault is the only Liberal MLA who has spoken publicly about her discomfort with the province's position.
Other francophone members — including Moncton East MLA Alexandre Cedric Doucet, a former president of the Acadian Society — have refused to comment.
Spokesperson Ashley Beaudin said no Liberal MLAs would comment because "things have been moving quickly on our end, and our team is still in the midst of it all."
Holt told L'Acadie Nouvelle last week that she did not consult her cabinet or caucus on the province's position, because that would violate the principle that the attorney general's office must operate independent of politics.
That is a conveniently broad interpretation of the attorney general's independence.
There are precedents for a cabinet or caucus being consulted in civil litigation cases that have major policy consequences or touch on the fundamental values of the party in power.
The Acadian Society gave the government until Aug. 14 to withdraw the province's filing.
That deadline came and went, and last week society president Nicole Arseneau-Sluyter turned up the pressure, posting a video that urged members to write letters to their MLAs, to McKee and to Holt.
Thériault's comments were similar to those of other ministers and MLAs in past governments who wanted to express their discontent with a decision while remaining a team player.
"I'm doing everything I can now to make my voice heard, and that of my community," Thériault told Radio-Canada.
And did she feel her point of view was being heard?
"I'm doing everything I can so that my point of view is heard, yes."
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
With files from Karine Godin, Radio-Canada
'Aligning' on bilingual lieutenant-governor doesn't mean complying, experts say
Trudeau’s comments on court ruling leave him with several options
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's first public comments on a court ruling about New Brunswick's unilingual lieutenant-governor have provided a hint, but only a hint, of the approach his government may take on the issue.
Ottawa now has less than 30 days to decide whether to appeal the ruling, which says a lieutenant-governor of this province must be able to speak English and French.
Fighting the decision could upset francophone voters, while not fighting it would let stand a legal precedent that many experts call fundamentally flawed.
"We will take a very, very careful look at this important judgment and make sure that we're aligning with it and moving forward in the right way," Trudeau said Tuesday during a visit to New Brunswick.
"Aligning" is the key word there. Aligning with a decision does not necessarily mean complying with it.
Political scientist Stephanie Chouinard of the Royal Military College says Trudeau's careful choice of words was probably deliberate.
"I think what this signals is that, until proven otherwise, the Prime Minister's Office accepts the outcome of the decision that came down last week," she said.
"However, there may be some qualms about the process through which the judge arrived at that conclusion."
Several possible paths
That means there are several possible paths for the federal government.
Last week's ruling says that Trudeau's 2019 appointment of Brenda Murphy, who does not speak French, as lieutenant-governor of New Brunswick violated constitutional language-rights guarantees.
But the decision by Court of Queen's Bench Chief Justice Tracey DeWare did not reverse the appointment, because that would call into question the validity of all the laws and appointments Murphy has signed over the last two-and-a-half years.
Some constitutional law scholars, including Kerri Froc of the University of New Brunswick, have declared the ruling flawed and ripe for appeal because it infringes on the separation of powers between the executive, legislative and judicial branches.
"There's certain core elements to that that the court can't interfere with … It's simply beyond their powers to do so," Froc says.
Chouinard says an appeal is almost inevitable because the court's intrusion in the prime minister's executive powers could have impacts "way above and beyond language rights."
"It would be in the interest of the Prime Minister's Office to get more clarity on that," she says.
Appeal almost inevitable, political scientist says
Another flaw Froc sees is that the chief justice has given one part of the Constitution – language rights in the charter – precedence over another part: the section of the 1867 document that sets out the appointment of the lieutenant-governor.
"They're all part of the supreme law," she says. "They're all of equal level. So you can't use one portion of the supreme law to override or declare unconstitutional the other part. The Constitution simply doesn't operate like that."
But Érik Labelle Eastaugh, director of the International Observatory on Language Rights at the University of Moncton, says Froc's argument is unsound.
"None of the powers that are granted by the Constitution Act 1867 include any charter rights, because the charter didn't exist," he says.
- Brenda Murphy 'humbled' to be appointed New Brunswick's new lieutenant-governor
- Appointment of unilingual N.B. lieutenant-governor violated charter, judge rules
"The whole point of the charter was to impose new limits on public powers granted by the original constitution."
Retired law professor Michel Doucet and political scientist Roger Ouellette of the University of Moncton say Trudeau could opt for a "hybrid" approach.
He could appeal the ruling on separation-of-powers grounds while amending legislation to require bilingualism of future lieutentant-governors in New Brunswick.
"It's a way to deal with it politically, but review it at the legal level," Ouellette says.
If Ottawa does fight the ruling, it could ask for a reference ruling by the Supreme Court of Canada, a fast-track process that would skip the New Brunswick Court of Appeal.
While Froc and Labelle Eastaugh disagree on DeWare's decision, they agree a reference case is unlikely.
Going to the provincial appeal court would be more time-consuming, but "the debate will be more fully fleshed out by the time it arrives at the Supreme Court," says Labelle Eastaugh.
Proposed bill could provide an option
If Trudeau opts for appealing the ruling while embracing its outcome, a bill already before Parliament could be his vehicle.
The legislation by Conservative Senator Claude Carignan would add the lieutenant-governor of New Brunswick to a small list of federal appointments that require bilingualism.
"That's an option," Carignan said Wednesday. "He could push to adopt my bill."
But the other positions on the bilingual list are officers of Parliament, not positions established by the Constitution.
It's not clear Parliament itself has the power to alter the appointment criteria for a lieutenant-governor. It could take a constitutional amendment.
"That's an open question in my mind," says Labelle Estaugh.
Besides, he says, Carignan's bill isn't necessary if Trudeau wants to "align" with DeWare's ruling.
"If the government is of the view that the lieutenant-governor should be bilingual, such that it would be willing to support this legislation, then it should just not appeal the decision. We're already there."
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:48 PM
Subject: Fwd: Methinks it was pretty funny that very sneaky SANB professor named a collection of English communities Arcadia Nesy Pas Mr Higgs?
To: <Mary.Wilson@snb.ca>, <alan.roy@snb.ca>, <derrick.jardine@snb.ca>, <Greg.Brewer2@snb.ca>, <Erin.Hardy@snb.ca>, hugh.flemming <hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, Mike.Comeau <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>, barb.whitenect <barb.whitenect@gnb.ca>, robert.mckee <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, Robert. Jones <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, nathalie.sturgeon <nathalie.sturgeon@globalnews.ca>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@dailygleaner.com>, <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, <andre@jafaust.com>, <Lucie.Dubois@gnb.ca>, John.green@gnb.ca "andrea.anderson-mason" <andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca>, sylvie.gadoury <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca>, chuck.chiasson <chuck.chiasson@gnb.ca>, charles.murray <charles.murray@gnb.ca>, Chuck.Thompson <Chuck.Thompson@cbc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, george.oram <george.oram@gnb.ca>, John.Lunney <John.Lunney@gnb.ca>, <susan.holt@gnb.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, pierre.poilievre <pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca>, ragingdissident <ragingdissident@protonmail.com>
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Saturday 9 March 2024
A year after N.B. municipal reform, new community names aren't sticking
Deja Vu Anyone???
Derek Pleadwell poses for a photo Derek Pleadwell, mayor of Arcadia,
said confusion over the new municipality name has kept civic
engagement low. (Submitted by Derek Pleadwell)
RE The CBC and RCMP A Telephone Conversation re: 1965 Harley-Davidson
Motorcycle and New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes from 5064544400
Higgs, Premier Blaine (PO/CPM)
<Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca> Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 1:41 AM
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
Thank you for taking the time to write to us.
Due to the high volume of emails that we receive daily, please note
that there may be a delay in our response. Thank you for your
understanding.
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visit www.gnb.ca/coronavirus.
If this is a Media Request, please contact the Premier’s office at
(506) 453-2144.
Thank you.
Bonjour,
Nous vous remercions d’avoir pris le temps de nous écrire.
Tenant compte du volume élevé de courriels que nous recevons
quotidiennement, il se peut qu’il y ait un délai dans notre réponse.
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veuillez visiter www.gnb.ca/coronavirus.
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Merci.
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David Amos
<david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
To: Mary.Wilson@snb.ca, alan.roy@snb.ca, derrick.jardine@snb.ca,
Greg.Brewer2@snb.ca, Erin.Hardy@snb.ca
Cc: "martin.gaudet" <martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>
<Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
"Mark.Blakely" <Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Blair <blair@jardineauctioneers.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 11:40:10 -0400
Subject: Re: RE The CBC and RCMP A Telephone Conversation re: 1965
Harley-Davidson Motorcycle and New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes from
5064544400
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
Thank you for forwarding the article. The person commenting that we
sold this bike is incorrect. We have never had a 1965 Harley Davidson
sold at or through one of our auctions.
If you wish to discuss further please call me at 5064544400
Sincerely Blair
Sent from iPhone
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 01:40:28 -0400
Subject: RE The CBC and RCMP A Telephone Conversation re: 1965
Harley-Davidson Motorcycle and New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes from
5064544400
To: "Mark.Blakely" <Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "hugh.flemming"
<hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, "Mike.Comeau" <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>,
"barb.whitenect" <barb.whitenect@gnb.ca>, "barbara.massey"
<barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
<Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>,
"robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore"
<Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, "robert.mckee" <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>,
"rob.moore" <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, "Robert. Jones"
<Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, Nathalie Sturgeon
<sturgeon.nathalie@brunswickne
<Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@dailygleaner.com>,
"martin.gaudet" <martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>
<Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca>, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>,
david.coon@gnb.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre@jafaust.com,
"andrea.anderson-mason" <andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca>
"sylvie.gadoury" <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.c
<chuck.chiasson@gnb.ca>, "charles.murray" <charles.murray@gnb.ca>,
"Chuck.Thompson" <Chuck.Thompson@cbc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>,
"Nathalie.Drouin" <Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca
<jake.stewart@gnb.ca>, "jeff.carr" <jeff.carr@gnb.ca>, "george.oram"
<george.oram@gnb.ca>, Lucie.Dubois@gnb.ca, John.Lunney@gnb.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca,
John.Williamson@parl.gc.ca, john@jardineauctioneers.com,
blair@jardineauctioneers.com, John.green@gnb.ca
JARDINE AUCTIONEERS INC.
1849 Route 640, Hanwell Road
Fredericton NB E3C 2A7
CANADA
Phone: 506-454-4400 Fax: 506-450-3288
Toll Free: 1-877-499-4400
John Jardine john@jardineauctioneers.com
Blair Sissons blair@jardineauctioneers.com
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To: DAVID AMOS
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 04:58:17 PM AST
Subject: New VM (1) - 0:04 minutes in your magicJack mailbox from 5064544400
Dear magicJack User:
You received a new 0:04 minutes voicemail message, on Tuesday,
November 24, 2020 at 03:58:15 PM in mailbox 9028000369 from
5064544400.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
N.B. COVID-19 roundup: Some classes go online, testing sites boosted
after 5 new cases
Dr. Jennifer Russell announces new cases in Saint John and Moncton regions
Marie Sutherland · CBC News · Posted: Nov 24, 2020 10:30 AM AT
236 Comments
David Amos
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Methinks Cardy knew the virus was in the Quispamsis school despite
what he claimed to Seguin this morning Everybody knows what happening
when the lips of a turncoat dude who consumes too many of little Lou's
butter tarts are moving N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: What did he claim " this morning " ? What would
you have preferred , he blab it for all the " conspiracy theorists "
to spin ???
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos: Did you ever get your tricycle back ?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lou Bell: Spin , like Dave and the " Me Party " ??
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @Lou Bell: It was auctioned off at least ten years ago (minus
about a dozen Memorex cassettes...)
David Amos
Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: Pure D BS
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: You wish
Rob Sense
Reply to @DeanRoger Ray:
The wheels came off long ago.
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: In fact it was done through the Jardines.
David Amos
Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: I just called Jardines and they denied
selling my Harley
David Amos
Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: trust that the RCMP are well aware that your
buddies Bell and Cardy both live near Jardines and the crook who still
has my bike
Ray Oliver
Reply to @David Amos: You didn't hear the laughter in the background?
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Oliver: I heard worse than mere laughter
DeanRoger Ray
Reply to @David Amos: “I’m David Raymond Amos and I have the world
record for suing lawyers. Mehears you sold my Harley. True or False?”
Ray Oliver
Reply to @DeanRoger Ray: You forgot "the only time I've ever stood in
a court of law was as Defendant never the Plaintiff".. but I do throw
meritless lawsuits at educated lawyers that get laughed out of the
room as often as possible"
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Hardy, Erin (SNB)" <Erin.Hardy@snb.ca>
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 01:16:32 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks Carl Urquhart and Blaine Higgs want
to litigate N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc, Cheryl Layton and Janice Graham?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
Hello,
I will be out of the office from August 2-12 inclusive. I will reply
to your email upon my return, however, I will be checking emails
periodically. Thank you.
Bonjour,
Je serai absent du bureau du 2 au 12 août inclusivement. Je répondrai
à votre courriel à mon retour, mais, je vérifierai régulièrement les
courriels. Merci.
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Thursday, 22 June 2017
For the Public Record when I heard and read the news about the RCMP
today I felt compelled to rewrite a brief that I am ordered to file in
the Federal Court of Appeal tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v
From: "MacKenzie, Lloyd (SNB)" lloyd.mackenzie@snb.ca
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:01:27 -0400
Subject: Telephone Conversation re: 1965 Harley-Davidson Motorcycle
To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
Cc: "Bastarache, Donald J.(SNB)" Donald.Bastarache@snb.ca,
"Morrison, Bill (SNB)" bill.morrison@snb.ca,
"Levesque-Finn, Sylvie(SNB)" Sylvie.Levesque-Finn@snb.ca, "Pleadwell, Derek
(SNB)" Derek.Pleadwell@snb.ca
Mr. Amos:
Upon your request I will inform Mr. Derek Pleadwell[(506)
444-2897], Chairperson SNB Board of Directors, of our extended
conversation regarding the issues surrounding the 1965 Harley-Davidson
motorcycle when he visits my office at approximately 3:30 P.M. today.
Also, as requested, I've copied in Ms. Sylvie Levesque-Finn[ (506)
453-3879 ],SNB President.
Lloyd D. MacKenzie, AACI, P. App, CAE
Regional Manager of Assessment - Beauséjour Region/Responsable
régional de l'évaluation - region Beauséjour
Assessment/ de l'évaluation
Service New Brunswick/ Service Nouveau-Brunswick
633 rue Main St.
4th floor/4ième étage
Moncton, NB E1C 8R3
Tel/Tél: (506) 856-3910
Fax/Téléc: (506) 856-2519
Methinks it was pretty funny that very sneaky SANB professor named a
collection of English communities Arcadia Nesy Pas Mr Higgs?
Derek Pleadwell
<derek.pleadwell@arcadianb.ca>
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
Hello, thank-you for reaching out to me. In order to ensure all
communications are addressed in a timely manner please direct any
general or urgent inquiries to clerk@arcadianb.ca and someone from our
office will be in contact. Please note that If your e-mail did not
include your full name and phone number – please resend it with this
information so that our office can reach out and properly prioritize
requests for assistance and correspondence.
Derek Pleadwell
Mayor - Arcadia
phone: 506.476.2859
Office: 506.488.3567
derek.pleadwell@arcadianb.ca
Any correspondence with employees, agents, or elected officials of
Arcadia may be subject to disclosure under the provisions of the Right
to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, S.N.B. 2009, c. R-10.6.
Dan Murphy
<dan.murphy@umnb.ca> Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 4:27 PM
To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.co
Hello/Bonjour
I am away from the office until March 11th with limited access to email.
Should your issue be urgent, please contact my colleague Vanessa
Pettersson at 506-444-2285 or vanessa.pettersson@umnb.ca. Otherwise, I
will respond upon my return.
*********
Bonjour,
Je suis hors du bureau jusqu'au 11 mars avec un accès limité a mes courriels.
Si votre question est urgente, veuillez communiquer avec ma collègue
Vanessa Pettersson au 506-444-2285 ou vanessa.pettersson@umnb.ca.
Autrement, je vous répondrai lors de mon retour.
--
Dan Murphy
Executive Director/Directeur général
Union of the Municipalities of New Brunswick/l'Union des municipalités du
Nouveau-Brunswick
506-444-2285
dan.murphy@umnb.ca
Moore, Rob - M.P.
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To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.c
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<robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, Jeff.Carr@gnb.ca, "Gary.Crossman"
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"Mitton, Megan (LEG)" <megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, "Ross.Wetmore"
<Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, "rob.moore" <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>,
"Bill.Oliver" <Bill.Oliver@gnb.ca>, "Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc"
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derek.pleadwell@arcadianb.ca, Monique.leblanc@arcadianb.ca,
Clarissa.Andersen@gnb.ca, dan.murphy@umnb.ca, Daniel.J.Allain@gnb.ca
https://davidraymondamos3.blog
Saturday 9 March 2024
A year after N.B. municipal reform, new community names aren't sticking
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
A year after N.B. municipal reform, new community names aren't sticking
A lot of local people prefer old community names, some don't even know
the new ones
Sam Farley · CBC News · Posted: Mar 09, 2024 6:00 AM AST
A map showing Arcadia and Gagetown
Arcadia, one of the municipalities created by local government reform
in 2023, includes Gagetown and Cambridge-Narrows, among other
communities. (Sam Farley/CBC)
John Craig likes to joke he's the only person who's been mayor of
three different places in New Brunswick.
Formerly the mayor of St. Andrews and Blacks Harbour in the province's
southwest, thanks to municipal government reform last year, he's now
mayor of Eastern Charlotte.
But take a gander through his municipality, made up of former towns
and villages, and you'd be hard-pressed to find a proud Eastern
Charlotte-onian, if that even exists.
"All the names are still there, so if you're from St. George, you're
still from St. George," Craig said with a chuckle.
"The whole region's Eastern Charlotte, but people will say 'What part
of Eastern Charlotte?' and you'll say Bonny River, or Back Bay.
"Those names will continue and they won't go away."
WATCH | Answering the now-complicated question, 'Where do you live?'
Locals react to new municipality name one year later
Duration 2:07
Despite small towns and villages being amalgamated into larger
municipalities last year, residents still tend to use their old
community names. Gagetown and Jemseg residents talk about what they
call their hometowns.
As of Jan. 1, 2023, the province slashed the number of local
government entities from 340 to 77 municipalities and 12 rural
districts.
As of Jan. 1, 2023, the province slashed the number of local
government entities from 340 to 77 municipalities and 12 rural
districts.
But with new municipalities came a need for new names, followed in
some cases by some confusion.
Craig said Eastern Charlotte councillors were clear they wanted a
unique name instead of simply being named after the region's largest
town.
"It's hard to make everybody happy, but the idea is just don't pick a
name that's already there," Craig said.
John Craig speaks to a reporter John Craig, mayor of Eastern
Charlotte, said most locals still go by the old community names such
as St. George or Blacks Harbour. (Radio-Canada)
He said people are starting to recognize "Eastern Charlotte," and he
tries to educate residents about what it means when he's out and
about. He's begun a little game of sorts when stopping into seniors'
centres.
"I say, 'If you're from Back Bay, stand up. If you're from Pennfield,
stand up.' So all the people stand up, they still recognize the names,
and they won't go away.
"But at the end of the day, they all recognize they're part of Eastern
Charlotte as one group."
New name hurts civic engagement, mayor says
While places like Eastern Charlotte have the benefit of names linked
to their county, which people are already familiar with, others
started from scratch.
Derek Pleadwell is mayor of Arcadia, which includes the former
villages Gagetown, Cambridge-Narrows and Jemseg, among other places.
Pleadwell has the sense people are less engaged with the new
government than they were with the old.
"I wish there was more involvement from residents with our
municipality and with our council," Pleadwell said.
People seemed to be more involved when he was mayor of Gagetown, and
the village was its own municipal entity.
When asked if confusion over the new name is causing the low civic
engagement, Pleadwell does not hesitate.
"Yes, yes, and a little bit more yes mixed into that."
Sweeping municipal reform bill sails through, will become law Friday
He said some people don't even know the new names of their communities.
"There's times when I've been out in public and I've heard 'What is
this Arcadia thing, what does this mean?' And I understand people
asking that question, 'What do we need another name for?'"
Locals can go by both names
Dan Murphy, executive director of the Union of Municipalities of New
Brunswick, said some names have started to stick, especially in areas
that have undergone branding and other efforts to use their new names.
"I think it's a bit of a mixed bag," Murphy said. "I think it's going
to take some time for people to get to the new community names, when
you're from the same place that you've always been."
But people can use both names, he said.
"I always use the example of: I'm from Rexton, my community is now
Five Rivers, but Rexton is my home, and it's a part of Five Rivers."
Dan Murphy poses for a photo Dan Murphy, executive director of the
Union of Municipalities of New Brunswick, said communities can use
both names. (Kandise Brown/Submitted)
But it's only been a year, he said, and time will tell if people adapt
to the new names.
"There's a transition period here of people realizing they're within a
municipal boundary, so what the name means sometimes does have an
impact on that."
But if one year is not long enough to tell, Miramichi is a perfect example.
The city saw amalgamation not in 2023, but back in 1995, as it took in
the surrounding towns of Chatham and Newcastle, and smaller areas, to
form the new city of Miramichi.
Almost 30 years on, Mayor Adam Lordon said the old names have become
like neighbourhoods within a larger community.
A man wears a winter jacket outside with snow in the background. Adam
Lordon is mayor of Miramichi, a city created in 1995 when the towns of
Newcastle and Chatham and several other communities were amalgamated.
He said the former towns are now essentially neighbourhoods of the
city. (Shane Magee/CBC)
"We don't view it as having to be one or the other, or in conflict,"
Lordon said, adding that the city has street signs marking the
boundaries of the former towns.
"I think you can honour the past and the history of your area while
also embracing a shared future as well."
Maurice Basque, a historian from Moncton who studies place names, was
chosen as an adviser to Daniel Allain, who was the minister of local
government reform as the new names were created.
In an email, he said most people living within the new and larger
municipal boundaries are still using the former names. In
predominantly francophone areas, however, he's heard people using the
new names, although without forgetting the old ones.
"The intent of the reform was not to erase old names but to give new
place names to the new municipal structures," Basque said.
A man with thin grey hair stands in front of a dark brown wooden book
case full of books. He is wearing a dark turquoise sweater with a
collar and glasses. Maurice Basque, a historian from Moncton who
studies place names, helped with the consultation over names when the
province created new municipalities. (Submitted by Maurice Basque)
Public meetings were held to discuss the new names, and Basque said he
feels lucky to have been able to attend many of them as a historian.
"This was the minister's wish, that the citizens of New Brunswick
would have a very important say in the process of choosing a place
name that would 'fit' their representations of their new
municipality."
When asked if the goal was ever for the new names to become used more
than the old ones, Department of Municipal Reform spokesperson
Clarissa Andersen said that local names will stay the same.
"The new names adopted were for the local government administrative
body," Andersen said in an email.
Arcadia name dates back more than 500 years
Basque said the name Arcadia, which now take in Gagetown, dates back
to a mythical region of Greece. In 1524, an Italian explorer, Giovanni
da Verrazanno, named what is now the state of Maryland "Arcadia" for
its natural beauty.
"The name Arcadia migrated to the north of new maps until it became
Acadie in 1604," Basque said, adding that the Municipality of Arcadia
chose the name to celebrate the area's beauty and natural
surroundings.
Mayor Derek Pleadwell said he and his council have made "deliberate"
efforts to appeal to its new broader citizenship, including selling
the former Gagetown town hall instead of setting up shop as Arcadia
because it wasn't in a centrally located area.
Councillors also rotate town meetings between several of the former
villages to encourage turnout.
Derek Pleadwell poses for a photo Derek Pleadwell, mayor of Arcadia,
said confusion over the new municipality name has kept civic
engagement low. (Submitted by Derek Pleadwell)
Pleadwell said people's addresses remain as Gagetown or Cambridge-Narrows.
"They're long-standing members of those communities, and those
identities have not been lost," he said.
"But the official government at the municipal level is Arcadia."
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Sam Farley
Journalist
Sam Farley is a Fredericton-based reporter at CBC New Brunswick.
Originally from Boston, he is a journalism graduate of the University
of King's College in Halifax. He can be reached at sam.farley@cbc.ca
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
https://www.umoncton.ca/nouvel
Mardi 12 Novembre 2013
Les journées Dialogue font place à la discussion entourant l’avenir de
l’Université de Moncton
La photo prise lors des journées Dialogue nous fait voir, à l’avant,
de gauche à droite, Maurice Basque, conseiller scientifique à
l’Institut d’études acadiennes; Alexis Couture, président de la
Fédération de la jeunesse canadienne-française et diplômé de
l’Université de Moncton; Jeanne d’Arc Gaudet, présidente de la Société
de l’Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick (SANB) et professeure à la Faculté
des sciences de l’éducation; Mohammed Chekkouri, agent de recrutement;
et Jacques Paul Couturier, vice-recteur au campus d’Edmundston.
Agrandir l'image
L’Université de Moncton s’est engagée depuis quelques mois dans un
processus de Planification stratégique ayant pour thème «
Planification stratégique 2020 : Osez rêver ».
La communauté universitaire et des partenaires de l’Université de
Moncton ont répondu à l’appel des consultations avec ardeur et plus de
600 personnes ont participé à plus de 45 rencontres sur les trois
campus pendant ces 180 jours d’écoute.
Pour clôturer les consultations, des journées Dialogue réunissant des
leaders provenant de nos trois campus et de leurs communautés
environnantes ont eu lieu récemment à Moncton.
Les discussions qui se voulaient une occasion d’échanges franches et
stimulantes ont permis de préciser les objectifs qui guideront les
orientations de l’Université pour les dix prochaines années.
Le dépôt du rapport se fera au Conseil des gouverneurs comme prévu le
30 novembre 2013.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:58:11 -0400
Subject: Methinks the very sneaky SANB wants another ASAP Nesy Pas Mr Higgs?
To: "Catherine.Tait" <Catherine.Tait@cbc.ca>, "pablo.rodriguez"
<pablo.rodriguez@parl.gc.ca>, "sylvie.gadoury"
<sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.c
<Alex.Johnston@cbc.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>,
"Gerald.Butts" <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "blaine.higgs"
<blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>,
"Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc" <Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc@canada.ca>, "brian.gallant"
<brian.gallant@gnb.ca>, "serge.rousselle" <serge.rousselle@gnb.ca>,
"David.Coon" <David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "Arseneau, Kevin (LEG)"
<Kevin.A.Arseneau@gnb.ca>, "Mitton, Megan (LEG)"
<megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>,
"rick.desaulniers" <rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>, "michelle.conroy"
<michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>, "Larry.Tremblay"
<Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Gilles.Blinn"
<Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Nathalie.Drouin"
<Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca>, "hon.ralph.goodale"
<hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>, "Brenda.Lucki"
<Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>,
"Jody.Wilson-Raybould" <Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.
"David.Lametti" <David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca>, "andrea.anderson-mason"
<andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca>, oldmaison <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, andre
<andre@jafaust.com>, "Jacques.Poitras" <Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>,
"steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, Newsroom
<Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, news <news@kingscorecord.com>, news
<news@dailygleaner.com>, news919 <news919@rogers.com>,
"Michel.Carrier" <Michel.Carrier@gnb.ca>
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>,
Marc.Martin@nserc-crsng.gc.ca, jesse <jesse@viafoura.com>,
"marc.martin" <marc.martin@snb.ca>, "darrow.macintyre"
<darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca>, support@viafoura.zendesk.com
Me Too
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
Bilingualism forum touches on anglophone input, education
Francophones who've detected anti-bilingualism sentiment in province
organize series of discussions
CBC News · Posted: Jan 23, 2019 9:45 AM AT
Eight panellists spoke before members of the public had a chance to
weigh in. (CBC)
A standing-room-only crowd turned out for a forum in Moncton on
Tuesday about anti-bilingualism, but one panellist said he wished more
anglophones had turned up.
Organizers said francophones felt a rise in anti-bilingual sentiment
in recent months, and they wanted to start discussions about bridging
the gap with other New Brunswickers.
More than 100 people attended the event at Le Coude bar at the
University of Moncton. There was such interest in the discussion that
some people were turned away at the door.
The attendees included politicians from various parties, leaders of
interest groups, university professors, students and members of the
general public.
Kris Austin defends himself, as Acadian voices against People's
Alliance multiply
Why are so many anglophones not bilingual? Edmundston mayor asks
But there appeared to be no one from the anglophone community,
something organizers are hoping to change for future gatherings.
"Where are the anglophone intellectuals, the university professors,
the community leaders?" asked history professor Maurice Basque, one of
the eight panellists at the event.
"Since the beginning, bilingualism has been the fight of Acadians.
It's not like the environment that's everyone's battle. We're not
there yet. After half a century, are we to realize that it is our
'problem?'
"It's a failure of sorts."
Although promotion of the forum didn't target anglophone groups, the
event was open to the public. It was organized by the Canadian
Institute for Research on Linguistic Minorities, the university's
school of public policy, the New Brunswick Acadian Society and the
International Network of Senghor Chairs of La Francophonie.
It was standing room only at the university bar Le Coude in Moncton
for a town hall discussion about anti-bilingualism. (CBC)
Basque said the discussion was a good exercise, and more people came
than organizers were expecting.
He believes future forums should involve the anglophone community.
"I always felt I would be interested to hear what my colleagues at
Mount Allison, at UNB, St. Thomas — what do they think, what are their
ideas?" he said.
"After these 50 years, can we arrive at a new consensus? Can we arrive
maybe at a new social contract between anglophones and Acadians?"
Education talk
Maurice Basque said he would like to know what anglophones think about
the issue. (CBC)
During the panel, there was talk about New Brunswick's education
system, and whether there is a better way for anglophones to learn
French.
"We know there's an interest from the anglophone population to learn
French, be it by curiosity or because they see it as an important
skill," said Stephanie Chouinard, assistant professor at the Royal
Military College in Kingston, Ont.
There was some debate whether changes need to be made to the education
system or if the changes should be outside the classrooms.
"Obviously, it goes through education first, and immersion programs
are fundamental to this, but that's not sufficient. I think cultural
exchanges would be another way … to put flesh around the bone in a
sense, to get them invested in our culture."
Stephanie Chouinard said education is an important part of the
solution, and cultural exchanges would help. (CBC)
Chouinard said francophones have a role to play too.
"We know we all have a tendency to switch to English when an
anglophone addresses us in French — that's a bad habit. We should try
to help them and engage with them in that language."
Tuesday's event was the first of what organizers hope will be several
discussions around the province to better understand what they call
the "anti-bilingual feeling" and try to find solutions.
In a news release after the discussion, panellist and co-organizer
Christophe Traisnel said francophones need to make themselves heard
and "to fight against being bullied as a community."
Other panellists were Joseph Yvon Thériault, Isabelle Violette,
Mathieu Wade, Michelle Landry and Érik Labelle Eastaugh.
Another forum is planned for Sunday in Inkerman, on the Acadian Peninsula.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
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Mr Higgs?
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 12:02:57 -0400
Subject: Methinks I have a pretty good idea as to who Marguerite
Deschamps the other SANB spin doctor in CBC is Nesy Pas Mr Higgs?
To: Catherine.Tait@cbc.ca, pablo.rodriguez@parl.gc.ca,
sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca, Alex.Johnston@cbc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca,
premier <premier@gnb.ca, Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca,
blaine.higgs@gnb.ca, robert.gauvin@gnb.ca,
<Hon.Dominic.LeBlanc@canada.ca, brian.gallant@gnb.ca,
serge.rousselle@gnb.ca, David.Coon@gnb.ca, Kevin.A.Arseneau@gnb.ca,
megan.mitton@gnb.ca, kris.austin@gnb.ca, rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca,
michelle.conroy@gnb.ca, Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
Gilles.Blinn@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca,
Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca, hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca,
Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, mcu@justice.gc.ca,
Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.c
andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre@jafaust.com,
Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, steve.murphy@ctv.ca,
Newsroom@globeandmail.com, news@kingscorecord.com,
news@dailygleaner.com, news919@rogers.com, Michel.Carrier@gnb.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Marc.Martin@nserc-crsng.gc.ca,
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support@viafoura.zendesk.com
Perhaps your lawyers should go Figure how Deschamps wrote this in CBC
before the lawyer Doucet said it on CBC N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
Marguerite Deschamps
Like many other lawyers, Flemming had to be schooled by the experts on
sections 16 to 20 of the Constitution and thereby revise his
unconstitutional position.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
"I believe that somebody at the attorney general's office gave a
Constitutional 101 course to some politicians in Fredericton,
explaining that they can't just modify the Canadian Constitution and
decide not to follow the Official Languages Act based on some whim
they say in public," Doucet said.
On 1/17/19, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:04:46 +0000
> Subject: [Request received] I must say the SANB spin doctors had lots
> to say about Auditor General Kim MacPherson's annual report while CBC
> blocked me AGAIN N'esy Pas/
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Gallant, Brian (LEG)" <Brian.Gallant@gnb.ca>
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:32:21 +0000
> Subject: RE: I must say the SANB spin doctors had lots to say about
> Auditor General Kim MacPherson's annual report while CBC blocked me
> AGAIN N'esy Pas/
> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for writing to the Leader of the Official Opposition of New
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>
> If this is a media request, please forward your e-mail to
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>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
>
> Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you
> have contacted two others lol.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> Are you talking to me Davis or one of the other Marc Martin ?
>
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @Marguerite Deschamps
> *I don't even have a HEALTH CARE CARD *
>
> He should have one, its not normal to think there is only one Marc
> Martin across Canada....
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> Come one Davis you know who you are.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @Mario Doucet
> *SANB is playing with fire and could get burned.*
>
> It makes me laugh when you target a non-for profit organization with
> no power only because it French.
>
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> Your making no sense again Davis...
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> Uh Oh Libel right there Davis !!!
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
> *Methinks when your lawyer read my lawsuit he would know that I was
> barred from the Highland Games in Fat Fred City in 2015 N'esy Pas?*
>
> Lawyers ? I think you have the wrong Marc Martin, try the other 2.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @cheryl wright
> *we are absolutely going to riot in the streets.. I will lead us*
>
> I don't find that hard to believe, you where part of the anti-French
> rally's in Fredericton..
>
>
>
>
>
>
> stephen blunston
> cancel these gamers already NB can not afford them to begin with even
> if it was only 10 million, the organisers didn't not give an honest
> assessment of costs when they planned it so NB should give zero extra
> dollars take the organserr to court and sue them for lying period . if
> higgs caves and offer more he is done .. time to stop all the welfare
> for these types of events the oraganisers and the holders of games
> whether it is the francaphonie games or Olympic walk away with a lot
> of cash leaving the taxpayers the bills it is not right and needs to
> end now« less
>
>
> David R. Amos
> Content disabled.
> @stephen blunston "NB should give zero extra dollars take the
> organserr to court and sue them for lying period"
>
> I wholeheartedly agree
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @stephen blunston Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely
> agreeing with you N'esy Pas?
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
>
> *Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy
> Pas?*
>
> If it was for me you would be completely banned.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> McKenzie King
> Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak
> a certain language. NB is broke. It doesn't have two nickles to rub
> together or a pot to p**s in, yet we are expected to spend money on
> this foolishness. If we have to spend money we don't have, let's spend
> it on something useful, not on something to support differences in
> people because of the language they speak.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @McKenzie King
>
> *Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak
> a certain language*
>
> Anyone could participate in these games regardless of their language...
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @Marc Martin Methinks not just anyone is making money off of this
> francophonie nonsense N'esy Pas?
>
>
> Shawn McShane
> @Marc Martin Au contraire mon frere .
>
> Only for New Brunswickers and Canadians, the ones on the hook if this
> boondoggle goes ahead.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @Shawn McShane
>
> What does this comment have to do with mine ??
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @Marc Martin Methinks even you must understand that the dude is making
> fun of you because the government supported SANB spin doctors have
> become irrelevant N'esy Pas?
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
>
> I have no idea what your talking about, maybe the 2 other Marc Martin
> would know you should contact them lol.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Craig O'Donnell
> Whether it's federal dollars or provincial, it's still taxpayers
> footing the bill, and I doubt taxpayers in Alberta or Saskatchewan are
> much interested in paying for games that have no benefit for them.
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @Craig O'Donnell
>
> They didn't complain when the Feds gave the Pan-Am game in Ontario 2 Billion
> ?
>
>
> Shawn McShane
> @Marc Martin There is a lesson to learn from games: Two Ontario mayors
> are calling on Toronto to pick up the tab for cost overruns from the
> Pan Am Games. Ontario's auditor general said Wednesday the games came
> in $342 million over budget, with more than $5 million being spent on
> performance bonuses...Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley has long opposed
> funding the games, calling the event a "tremendous waste."
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @Marc Martin Methinks nobody believes you N'esy Pas?
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
>
> Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you
> have contacted two others lol.
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @Marc Martin Methinks everybody know who you are by now N'esy Pas?
>
>
> Marc Martin
> @David R. Amos
>
> I think your the only one who thinks knows who I am...
>
>
> David R. Amos
> @Marc Martin Methinks even you must understand about IP addresses N'esy
> Pas?
>
>
>
> On 1/16/19, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://davidraymondamos3.blog
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, 15 January 2019
>>
>> Methinks many folks would agree that Robert Gauvin and Dominic Leblanc
>> deserve each other
>>
>> https://twitter.com/DavidRayAm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
>> Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 49 others
>> Methinks many folks would agree that Robert Gauvin and Dominic Leblanc
>> deserve each other and would easily understand why I am honoured that
>> they both hate me as well N'esy Pas?
>>
>>
>> #nbpoli #cdnpoli
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada
>>
>>
>> Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
>> Cost of games ballooned to $130 million from $17 million
>> Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jan 15, 2019 2:08 PM AT
>>
>>
>>
>> Your account has been banned permanently. Reason: Your account has
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>>
>>
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>> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:18:45 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law
>> school too N'esy Pas Pierre Poilievre?
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