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Saint John police chief granted intervener status in officers’ lawsuit over dismissed complaints

 
 
 

Saint John police chief granted intervener status in officers’ lawsuit over dismissed complaints

Chief Robert Bruce argues his reputation, dignity and privacy at issue

Robert Bruce has been chief of the Saint John Police Force since July 2021. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

The chief of the Saint John Police Force will get to weigh in on a request by nine officers to have the Court of King’s Bench review the dismissal of their conduct complaints against him.

Nine officers are seeking a judicial review of the dismissal of their “workplace harassment” complaints by the New Brunswick Police Commission and the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, according to the provincial association that advocates on behalf of municipal officers.

Chief Robert Bruce is not a party in the proceeding but requested intervener status, arguing he had a “direct legal interest in the outcome.”

“If judicial review is granted and the decisions to dismiss the conduct complaints are quashed, I will be directly impacted as the effect of such a decision would be to reopen the conduct complaints,” he wrote in an affidavit sworn Oct. 16.

He was granted intervener status by consent of the parties Nov. 13.

No information about the nature of the complaints has been released, and court documents that contain details about the allegations, including affidavits from the officers, are under a temporary sealing order.

7 complaint ‘summarily dismissed,’ 2 ‘partially’

But according to Bruce’s affidavit, which is no longer subject to the sealing order after a judge’s decision, the Saint John board “summarily dismissed” seven of the complaints and “partially” dismissed two “for reasons that include that they were frivolous, vexatious and/or not made in good faith or fell outside the jurisdiction of the Police Act.”

The dismissed complaints were filed by Sgt. Andrew Belyea, Staff Sgt. Andrew MacBean, Const. Christopher Messer, Const. Donald Shannon, Const. Duane Squires, Const. Emily Hobbs and Const. Mary Gellatly, while the other two were filed by Insp. Samantha McInnis and Sgt. Stacy Humphrey.

All of the complaints were filed against Bruce in his role as chief, according to the affidavit.

Bruce, who has been chief of the Saint John force since July 2021, contends he also has an interest in the Saint John board now seeking a permanent publication ban and sealing order.

“It is my professional reputation, individual dignity and privacy that will be impacted if unsubstantiated allegations are made public,” he wrote.

“It is my belief that disclosure could adversely impact the fairness of a hearing or resolution pursuant to the Police Act."

Media challenge sealing order

Justice Kathryn Gregory, who issued the temporary sealing order Sept. 17 at the request of the Saint John board, clarified Nov. 19 that it applies only to materials that reveal the “specifics and/or the substance” of the allegations against Bruce.

With the exception of one paragraph, his affidavit does not fall under the scope of the order and there is nothing to prevent its disclosure, she decided, ruling in favour of CBC News and the Telegraph-Journal. 

A large grey building with lots of windows and the words 'Saint John Law Courts' engraved.

The officers filed a notice of application for judicial review with the Court of King's Bench in Saint John on Sept. 16. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

The media outlets are challenging the sealing order, which limits public access to the documents and publication.

The board, which maintains and operates the force, contends there is a “substantial risk that the public disclosure of these frivolous, vexatious or bad faith allegations may undermine the public confidence in law enforcement.”

The board and provincial commission, which manages the public complaints process into the conduct of municipal and regional police officers in the province, are also seeking to have the matter dismissed, arguing that the complainants don't have the legal standing to seek a judicial review.

‘Front-facing representative’ of force

Bruce could not immediately be reached through his lawyer for comment.

He has worked in policing for more than 37 years and is the current president of the New Brunswick Association of Chiefs of Police, according to his affidavit.

In his role as chief, he is the “front-facing representative and spokesperson” of the Saint John force and provides leadership to about 200 uniformed, civilian and auxiliary members, he wrote.

He previously served 33 years with the Ontario Provincial Police, retiring in 2015 as chief superintendent, responsible for about 1,500 uniformed, civilian and auxiliary members.

Bruce said he led a number of “high-risk support services,” including the tactics and rescue unit, which deals with incidents such as hostage takings, barricaded persons and snipers, the emergency response team, explosive disposal and search and rescue.

He has been recognized with “numerous decorations, awards and commendations” during his career, he said.

When he was appointed chief, Bruce committed to staying on for three to five years.

 
 
 
 
 

Saint John police chief reacts to 9 officers seeking judicial review after complaints about him dismissed

Chief Robert Bruce seeks intervener status

Robert Bruce became chief of the Saint John Police Force on July 1, 2021. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

The Saint John police chief wants a chance to weigh in on a request by nine officers to have a court review the dismissal of their conduct complaints against him.

Chief Robert Bruce is seeking intervener status in the legal action the officers filed in response to decisions by the New Brunswick Police Commission and the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners.

Bruce, who has been chief of the Saint John Police Force since July 2021, is not currently a party in the proceeding before the Court of King’s Bench, but he wants to have a say.

Nine officers are seeking a judicial review of the dismissal of their “workplace harassment” complaints by the two oversight bodies, according to the provincial association that advocates on behalf of municipal officers.

No information about the nature of the complaints has been released, and court documents that contain details about the allegations, including affidavits from the officers, are under the temporary sealing order.

But the complainants — Sgt. Andrew Belyea, Staff Sgt. Andrew MacBean, Const. Christopher Messer, Const. Donald Shannon, Const. Duane Squires, Const. Emily Hobbs, Const. Mary Gellatly, Insp. Samantha McInnis and Sgt. Stacy Humphrey —  are seeking a judicial review of decisions by the provincial commission, other court documents show.

Complaints 'not made in good faith'

The independent oversight body dismissed seven of the complaints filed under the New Brunswick Police Act “because they were ‘frivolous, vexatious or not made in good faith,’” according to a letter to the court from Jamie Eddy, a lawyer representing the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners. His letter does not mention the other two complaints.

Under the act, the Saint John board "maintains and operates" the force, Eddy said in the Sept. 17 letter, while the provincial commission manages the public complaints process related to the conduct of municipal and regional police officers in the province, according to its website.

"Those [seven] decisions were by the New Brunswick Police Commission to either summarily dismiss a complaint without further investigation or to uphold the summary dismissal of a complaint without further investigation," Eddy wrote.

Documents could 'undermine public confidence’

The Saint John board is seeking a publication ban and sealing order on the court documents, arguing there is a substantial risk they “may undermine the public confidence in law enforcement.”

The board and provincial commission are also seeking to have the matter dismissed, arguing that the complainants don't have the legal standing to seek a judicial review..

The lawyers representing the complainants did not respond to requests for comment,  and the officers reached directly declined to comment.

A large grey building with lots of windows and the words 'Saint John Law Courts' engraved. The officers filed a notice of application for judicial review with the Court of King's Bench in Saint John on Sept. 16. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

The Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, which consists of two council representatives, four citizens appointed by council, one appointed by the province, and the chief as an ex-officio member, did not respond to a request for comment.

New Brunswick Police Commission chair Marc Léger said the commission could not comment on matters before the courts.

Bruce declined an interview.

2023 government report flagged complaints

This is not the first time there have been complaints about management at the Saint John force, a March 2023 management review report from the Department of Public Safety shows.

It’s unclear if the complaints raised in the March 2023 management review report from the Department of Public Safety are related to the complaints now before the court.

Closeup of male officers' upper chest, wearing a vest with a small black camera affixed to the vest. The nine officers who have filed complaints include men and women of various ranks, both unionized and non-unionized. (Saint John Police Force)

The Saint John force was reviewed as part of a new process that was to see all regional and municipal police forces reviewed by Dec. 31, 2023, according to a redacted copy of the 29-page report, obtained by CBC News.

Public Safety conducted surveys of officers and employees between Jan. 1 and Dec. 31, 2022, and also interviewed some officers.

The report cited employee complaints about “disrespectful or harassing” behaviour by management and a “poisonous, hostile, harmful and unsafe workplace.”

Employees ‘fearful’

"It was also mentioned by many that incidents are not being handled appropriately and that complaints against management are only investigated by themselves and are quick to be dismissed," the report said.

In the survey, conducted anonymously, employees also described a morale and staffing crisis, with some fearful of “doing something that may lead to being disciplined, charged, or fired."

The work environment is "pushing a number of officers to consider leaving the force," the report says.

It’s unclear what came of the complaints or if any changes were implemented.

Public Safety made no recommendations. Instead, the chief was to submit an action plan within 30 days.

The plan has not been made public, said Jadesola Emmanuel, a spokesperson for Public Safety, because “it was intended to serve as a working document.”

Councillor seeks answers

Saint John Coun. Gerry Lowe wants to get to the bottom of what’s going on in the force, with the conduct complaints against the chief and more than two dozen officers off on leave or modified duty.

“It's the public that's asking me,” Lowe said. “The people I represent are saying, ‘Gerry, what's the complaints? Why are these people all off?’”

A portrait of a man standing oudoors, speaking into a CBC microphone.Coun. Gerry Lowe said he’d like to know what the officer complaints are about, why so many officers are off, and when they’re coming back. (CBC)

He previously proposed dissolving the police board and the force becoming a city department, which, he said, would give council more say over policing.

Complaints and leaves unrelated, spokesperson says

Force spokesperson Staff Sgt. Shawna Fowler wouldn’t comment on the court matter but suggested the nine harassment complaints are unrelated to the fact 21 per cent of officers were not on full duty as of August — up from 18 per cent in each of the previous two years.

Roughly 25 officers, out of a force of 146, are on leave for various reasons, including work-related physical and mental health injury.

Six additional officers are in the process of returning to their regular duties after being off for non-work-related reasons, such as surgery.

A portrait of a female police officer in uniform.Staff Sgt. Shawna Fowler said the force does its best to cover the leave positions with voluntary overtime, ‘but there are times that we are low on shift.’ (Submitted by Shawna Fowler)

Policing is a demanding job, both physically and mentally, Fowler said. “And we do have an aging police department.”

Advocacy group calls for investigation

The advocacy organization for municipal officers in New Brunswick has formally requested Public Safety Minister Robert Gauvin conduct a full investigation into the workplace environment of the force.

The New Brunswick Police Association is “deeply concerned about the prevalence of workplace harassment within the Saint John Police Force and the impact this has on front-line officers and their families," Bob Davidson, a labour analyst with the group, said shortly after the nine officers asked for the judicial review.

A portrait of a man wearing a black shirt and khaki sports jacket in a long, narrow room with several people standing and sitting in the background. Bob Davidson, labour analyst with the New Brunswick Police Association, said the broader issue of the Saint John Police Force's workplace environment requires 'urgent attention.' (Roger Cosman/CBC)

The association wants the minister to investigate "whether the New Brunswick Police Commission is complicit and is fulfilling its legislative function as an oversight body."

In addition, it has asked WorkSafeNB to investigate whether the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners is complying with the Occupational Health and Safety Act and “whether they have met their statutory duty to ensure that [the] force's workplace code of conduct has been implemented and followed."

In an emailed statement, Public Safety Minister Robert Gauvin said the province takes workplace harassment complaints seriously, and he will be meeting with the police association.

"As there are ongoing investigations and matters before the courts, we will not be commenting further at this time.”

A man standing in front of some book shelves.Michael Boudreau, a criminology professor at St. Thomas University in Fredericton, said officers coming forward with complaints against the chief is 'a very serious matter,' and the fact that there are nine complainants is particularly 'troubling.' (Submitted by Michael Boudreau)

Michael Boudreau, a St. Thomas University professor of criminology, said the complaints and leaves suggest there are “some serious internal problems” within the Saint John force.

“Some hard questions have to be asked” — and quickly, Boudreau said, because if frontline officers don’t have confidence in the chief, it makes it difficult for the overall force to function.

Wrote a book on leadership

Bruce served 33 years with the Ontario Provincial Police, retiring as a superintendent in 2015. He was involved in hostage negotiations, search and rescue and other departments.

Before becoming chief, Bruce was giving speeches on leadership. He also wrote a book, Leading Beyond Your Presence: Becoming The Leader You Want to be Led By.

When he was appointed, Bruce committed to staying on for three to five years.

 
 
 
 

Saint John reviewing pitch to dissolve police board, give council more say over city's force

'I've had a lot of people come to me and say... "Why isn't council involved?"'

The City of Saint John is in the process of reviewing a councillor's proposal to dissolve the independent board that governs the municipality’s police force and adopt a 'city department' governance structure. (Chad Ingraham/CBC)

The City of Saint John is reviewing a proposal to change how the municipality's police force, consisting of about 200 officers and civilian staff, is governed. 

The proposal by Coun. Gerry Lowe came before council in the form of a notice of motion at a Sept. 22 meeting. Lowe wants the independent Saint John Board of Police Commissioners dissolved in favour of a "city department" governing model, to align the force better with city goals and give councillors more say over policing.

"What prompted this was the chaos in the city, with everything taking place with the unhoused," Lowe said, referring to public safety concerns being voiced by residents and businesses, including complaints about vandalism and other forms of crime.

"I've had a lot of people come to me and say, 'Why? Why isn't council involved?'"

WATCH | Proposal prompted by 'chaos in the city, with everything taking place with the unhoused':
 
Saint John councillor wants to change how city’s police force is governed
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City councillor Gerry Lowe is proposing to dissolve the independent Saint John Board of Police Commissioners that governs the municipality’s police officers. He says the force should be a city department governed by council to better align with Saint John’s goals.

Councillors referred the motion to the city's chief administrative officer for further exploration before it comes back to council with a recommendation attached. 

City spokesperson Erin White said Lowe's proposal "will need to go through the process of due diligence and discussion," and said it was too early to give timelines for next steps.

'We must do better'

Lowe's idea received some positive feedback, including from Deputy Mayor John MacKenzie.

"I'm tired of walking into stores and walking down the street and having people say they don't feel good or stores are losing products. I'm not putting the blame on any one person or organization, but… we must do better and I think that this would be a starting point," he said at the meeting.

The system that we have right now isn't working as well as it could.
— Deputy Mayor John MacKenzie

"The system that we have right now isn't working as well as it could."

Lowe's proposal was one of multiple items relating to homelessness that came before two meetings of Saint John's Common Council in September.

Councillors green-lit a plan to prohibit encampments in some areas, notably much of Uptown Saint John. They also discussed and rejected a proposal by Coun. Greg Norton to entirely ban encampments in the city. 

Currently, the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners is responsible for police policy, budget allocation and police chief appointments, operating independently from city council and the city's chief administrative officer. 

For Lowe, this means elected and accountable council members have no input on policing matters. He pointed out that councillors are generally easier for members of the public to contact than the volunteer members of the board.

Man sitting at desk speaking into a mic.Coun Gerry Lowe says his notice of motion was prompted by what he calls 'chaos in the city with everything taking place with the unhoused.' (Nipun Tiwari/CBC)

He also said lines of responsibility between police and city managers can be fuzzy at times. 

As an example, Lowe cited Waterloo Street, a street in the heart of Saint John known for issues related to homelessness. 

"Is it the responsibility of bylaw officers to check the buildings there? Or the responsibility of the police department to stop the use of drugs?" Lowe said.

Council has a hand in board of commissioners, chair says

The current chair of the Board of Police Commissioners, Tamara Kelly, said she welcomed a review of the police force's governance structure.

She pointed out, however, that Common Council already has a say about board operations because it appoints the commissioners and also has two members, currently Coun. Greg Norton and Mayor Donna Reardon, sitting on the board. 

Headshot of woman smiling at camera. The current chair of the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, Tamara Kelly, says she welcomes an analysis of the force's governance structure. (Submitted by Tamara Kelly)

"They would be attending every meeting and being able to be that liaison between council and the commission," Kelly said.

As for the other commissioners, she said they are recommended and appointed based on their skills and experience, "so we have a diverse skill set currently with financial backgrounds, legal backgrounds, community backgrounds, communications background."

Saint John is currently the only New Brunswick municipality with its own regional police force that uses an independent board model to govern the service. 

The Kennebecasis Regional Police Force and the BNPP Regional Police (the latter serving Beresford, Nigadoo, Petit-rocher and Pointe-Verte) serve multiple municipalities and are governed by joint boards. 

Two Saint John police vehicles parked facing each other in front of the Saint John Law Courts building. The Saint John Police Force dates back to 1809 and consists of about 200 officers and civilian staff, according to a history posted on the force's website. (Roger Cosman/CBC)

Miramichi, Bathurst, Fredericton, Grand Falls, Edmundston and Woodstock all have police forces that are governed by those municipalities' councils.

"The role of the police would not change regardless of the governance body," said Saint John police spokesperson Staff Sgt. Shawna Fowler, referring to the steps that will come out of Lowe's proposal as "political decisions that the [city and council] will review and make."

Potential conflict of interest

A St. Thomas University criminology professor, Michael Boudreau, said switching the governing model for the Saint John Police Force could create perceptions of political interference and conflict of interest.

"The concern might be that if policing isn't being done properly and if city councillors are feeling a lot of pressure from their constituents, there might be that tendency — perhaps well-intentioned —  to tell the police, 'Maybe you should put more officers in this district, or do this around homelessness,'" Boudreau said.

"That puts the police in a very awkward situation because they answer to the public, not to elected officials, necessarily." 

A man standing in front of some book shelves.Michael Boudreau, a criminology professor at St. Thomas University in Fredericton, says switching to the city department model could create perceptions of political interference in policing. (Submitted by Michael Boudreau)

But when it comes to political interference, Lowe said he thinks there wouldn't be many issues these days. 

"If somebody tried to do something that wasn't right as a councillor... it would be on social media…There's very little that goes on anywhere now that's not on social media," he said.

Police independence is one of the core functions of policing. If they can't be independent from politicians and politics, then they just become another arm of government.
— Michael Boudreau, criminology professor

Boudreau thinks police are generally better off being governed by independent bodies, but said that model has critics who say such boards aren't always reflective of the community, with most members being unelected officials. 

He does value the role of civilians in policing as "watchdogs" when things go wrong, though. 

"They have to answer to someone," he said of police forces. "Some critics argue it's better to answer to elected officials than unelected officials.

"But if you're answering to elected officials, the perception becomes you're really doing what they're telling you. And police independence is one of the core functions of policing. If they can't be independent from politicians and politics, then they just become another arm of government."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

 
Nipun Tiwari

Reporter

Nipun Tiwari is a reporter assigned to community engagement and based in Saint John, New Brunswick. He can be reached at nipun.tiwari@cbc.ca.

 
 
 
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> https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2017/12/attn-alexjohnston-what-does-this-latest.html
>
>
> Tuesday, 19 December 2017
> Attn Alex.Johnston what does this Latest Notice "You must be logged in
> or pass an anonymous name to post a comment" Mean???
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: Brian Gallant briangallant10@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 08:07:10 -0800
> Subject: Merci / Thank you Re: Attn Alex.Johnston what does this
> Latest Notice "You must be logged in or pass an anonymous name to post
> a comment". Mean???
> To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> (Français à suivre)
>
> If your email is pertaining to the Government of New Brunswick, please
> email me at brian.gallant@gnb.ca
>
> If your matter is urgent, please email Greg Byrne at greg.byrne@gnb.ca
>
> Thank you.
>
> Si votre courriel s'addresse au Gouvernement du Nouveau-Brunswick,
> ‎svp m'envoyez un courriel à brian.gallant@gnb.ca
>
> Pour les urgences, veuillez contacter Greg Byrne à greg.byrne@gnb.ca
>
> Merci.
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@canada.ca
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:07:36 +0000
> Subject: RE: Attn Alex.Johnston what does this Latest Notice "You must
> be logged in or pass an anonymous name to post a comment". Mean???
> To: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
>
> Le ministère des Finances accuse réception de votre correspondance
> électronique. Soyez assuré(e) que nous apprécions recevoir vos
> commentaires.
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:07:04 -0400
> Subject: Attn Alex.Johnston what does this Latest Notice "You must be
> logged in or pass an anonymous name to post a comment". Mean???
> To: Alex.Johnston@cbc.ca, accounts@cbc.caht.lacroix@cbc.ca,
> sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca, darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca,
> Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca, blaine.higgs@gnb.ca,
> David.Coon@gnb.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre@jafaust.com,
> jbosnitch@gmail.com>, nmoore Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com,
> briangallant10@gmail.com, premier@gnb.ca, Bill.Morneau@canada.ca,
> bridget.yard@cbc.ca
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: CBC accounts@cbc.ca
> Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:58:12 +0000
> Subject: New comments
> To: David Raymond Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
>
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>
> Frank Knowles said:
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Merci

 
 
 
 
 
 

Gerry Lowe is a Canadian politician, who was elected to the Legislative Assembly of New Brunswick in the 2018 election.[1] He represented the electoral district of Saint John Harbour as a member of the Liberal Party. He did not stand in the 2020 New Brunswick general election.

Prior to his election to the legislature, Lowe served on Saint John City Council. Lowe was reelected to the Saint John Common Council in 2021.



2006 New Brunswick general election: Saint John Harbour
Party Candidate Votes % ±%

Liberal Ed Doherty 2,690 60.86 +5.61

Progressive Conservative Idee Inyangudor 1,139 25.77 -0.75

New Democratic Dan Robichaud 547 12.38 -4.75

Independent David Raymond Amos 44 1.00
Total valid votes 4,420 100.0
 

2018 New Brunswick general election: Saint John Harbour
Party Candidate Votes % ±%

Liberal Gerry Lowe 1,865 32.9%

Progressive Conservative Barry Ogden 1,855 32.7%

New Democratic Jennifer McKenzie 836 14.7%

Green Wayne Dryer 721 12.7%

People's Alliance Margot Brideau 393 6.9%

Sussex-Fundy-St. Martins

2018 New Brunswick general election
Party Candidate Votes % ±%

Progressive Conservative Bruce Northrup 3,816 49.46 -0.40

People's Alliance Jim Bedford 1,874 24.29 +13.90

Liberal Ian Smyth 1,212 15.71 -7.48

Green Fred Harrison 505 6.55 -1.18

New Democratic Dawna Robertson 254 3.29 -5.55

Independent David Raymond Amos 54 0.70 --
Total valid votes 7,715 100.0  
 

 
 
 
---------- Original message ---------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 3:10 PM
Subject: Fwd: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083
To: <gerry.lowe@saintjohn.ca>


Gerry Lowe was first elected to council in 2014 in a by-election, he was re ... Contact. gerry.lowe@saintjohn.ca. 506-639-0969

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:39 PM
Subject: Fwd: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083
To: <lisa.mahaney@saintjohn.ca>, <sean.rocca@saintjohn.ca>, <police@saintjohn.ca>


Saint John Police Force

Description
General police information and assistance
Eligibility
No restrictions
Application Process
No application process
Documents Required
No documents required
Toll Free
506-648-3333 - Non-emergency
Office
506-648-3200
Crisis
9-1-1
Fax
506-648-3304
Web Site
Visit Website
Email
police@saintjohn.ca
Mailing Address
Saint John Police Force
PO Box 1971
Saint John, NB, E2L 4L1
Canada
Languages
English, French
Contact
Sean Rocca, Manager of Communications
Email: sean.rocca@saintjohn.ca
Phone: 506-648-3292
Chief of Police
Robert Bruce
Email: lisa.mahaney@saintjohn.ca
Phone: 506-648-3200


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 2:14 PM
Subject: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083
To: <sjpfchiefsoffice@saintjohn.ca>


---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 3:07 PM
Subject: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083
To: pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, <ps.ministerofpublicsafety-ministredelasecuritepublique.sp@ps-sp.gc.ca>, <sjpfnews@saintjohn.ca>, <police.commission@saintjohn.ca>, <greg.norton@saintjohn.ca>, <michael.costello@mcinnescooper.com>, <mayor@saintjohn.ca>, <charles.bryant@gnb.ca>
Cc: robert.mckee <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, robert.gauvin <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, Mike.Comeau <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>


Deja Vu anyone???



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 14:14:58 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083 /
Réponse de Sécurité Publique Canada - LEB-001083
To: ps.ministerofpublicsafety-ministredelasecuritepublique.sp@ps-sp.gc.ca,
sjpfnews@saintjohn.ca, police.commission@saintjohn.ca,
greg.norton@saintjohn.ca, charles@bryantnb.ca,
michael.costello@mcinnescooper.com, mayor@saintjohn.ca
Cc: pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "pierre.poilievre" <pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Minister of Public Safety / Ministre de la Sécurité publique
(PS/SP)" <ps.ministerofpublicsafety-ministredelasecuritepublique.sp@ps-sp.gc.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 16:17:02 +0000
Subject: Response from Public Safety Canada - LEB-001083 / Réponse de
Sécurité Publique Canada - LEB-001083
To: "david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com" <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Unclassified | Non classifié

Dear David Amos,

This is in response to your correspondence dated July 24, 2019,
addressed to the Right Honourable Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, concerning the New Brunswick Police Commission.

We regret to inform you that after examining your correspondence, it has been determined that the subject matter which you raise does not fall under the purview of our department and portfolio agencies. This can be brought to the attention of the Saint John, New Brunswick Police Commission.

Consequently, no response will be provided.

Thank you for taking the time to write.


Ministerial Correspondence Unit
Public Safety Canada



Unclassified | Non classifié



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 13:17:55 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Attn CST Stephen Davidson after I read the news today about New Brunswick Police Commission I called you first The NBPC did not answer their phone
To: nbpc <nbpc@gnb.ca>, stephen.davidson@saintjohn.ca, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Dale.Morgan"
<Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "David.Lametti"
<David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>,
"hon.ralph.goodale" <hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>
Cc: David.Raymond.Amos@gmail.com, "Michael.Duheme"
<Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Marco.Mendicino"
<Marco.Mendicino@parl.gc.ca>, "Mark.Blakely"
<Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "martin.gaudet"
<martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:16:53 -0300
Subject: Attn CST Stephen Davidson after I read the news today about New Brunswick Police Commission I called you first The NBPC did not answer their phone
To: nbpc <nbpc@gnb.ca>, stephen.davidson@saintjohn.ca, "jan.jensen"
<jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca>, "Larry.Tremblay"
<Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Dale.Morgan"
<Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "David.Lametti"
<David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca>, mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>,
"hon.ralph.goodale" <hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>
Cc: "David.Raymond.Amos" <David.Raymond.Amos@gmail.com>

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/dennis-oland-murder-trial-police-commission-investigation-review-1.5220021

Police watchdog may skip review of Oland homicide investigation


New Brunswick Police Commission decided in 2015 it would review Saint
John Police Force's handling of case
Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Jul 23, 2019 5:48 PM AT


>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Murray, Charles (Ombud)" <Charles.Murray@gnb.ca>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:16:15 +0000
>> Subject: You wished to speak with me
>> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
>>
>> I have the advantage, sir, of having read many of your emails over the
>> years.
>>
>>
>> As such, I do not think a phone conversation between us, and
>> specifically one which you might mistakenly assume was in response to
>> your threat of legal action against me, is likely to prove a
>> productive use of either of our time.
>>
>>
>> If there is some specific matter about which you wish to communicate
>> with me, feel free to email me with the full details and it will be
>> given due consideration.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Charles Murray
>>
>> Ombud NB
>>
>> Acting Integrity Commissioner
>>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> To: coi@gnb.ca
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Good Day Sir
>
> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>
> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>
> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
> suggested that you study closely.
>
> This is the docket in Federal Court
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=T
>
> These are digital recordings of  the last three hearings
>
> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
>
> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/Jan11th2015
>
> April 3rd, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/April32017JusticeLeblancHearing
>
>
> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
>
>
> The only hearing thus far
>
> May 24th, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/May24thHoedown
>
>
> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>
> Date: 20151223
>
> Docket: T-1557-15
>
> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>
> PRESENT:        The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>
> BETWEEN:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> Plaintiff
>
> and
>
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
> Defendant
>
> ORDER
>
> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
> December 14, 2015)
>
> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
> in its entirety.
>
> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal).  In that letter
> he stated:
>
> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
> You are your brother’s keeper.
>
> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police.
>
> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>
>
> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion.  There
> is no order as to costs.
>
> “B. Richard Bell”
> Judge
>
>
> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>
>  I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the  the Court
> Martial Appeal Court of Canada  Perhaps you should scroll to the
> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83  of my
> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>
> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
> dudes are way past too late
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Thank you,
>
> Merci ,
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
>
>
> 83.  The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
> five years after he began his bragging:
>
> January 13, 2015
> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>
> December 8, 2014
> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>
> Friday, October 3, 2014
> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>
> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>
> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
> campaign of 2006.
>
> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>
> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>
> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>
> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>
> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
> January 30, 2007
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.Foran@gnb.ca,
> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
>  Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
> Ph: (506) 387-2222
> Fax: (506) 387-4622
> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
>
>
> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
> tel.: 506-457-7890
> fax: 506-444-5224
> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>


On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:

> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-braz
> ilian.html
>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/06/09/nsa-leak-guardian.html
>>
>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
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>>
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New Saint John police chief is a retired OPP superintendent

Robert Bruce plans to stay three to five years in job

Robert M. Bruce will begin his role as Saint John Police Force chief on July 1. (Submitted by Saint John Board of Police Commissioners)

The Saint John Board of Police Commissioners has appointed Robert M. Bruce as the new chief of police.

Bruce retired from the Ontario Provincial Police in 2015 after 33 years on the force. He was involved in hostage negotiations, search and rescue and other departments before he became a superintendent.

Commission chair Ed Keyes said Bruce was chosen because of his extensive policing experience.

"Experience is it," he said when asked why Bruce was chosen over the 50 other applicants for the job.

Ten applicants were chosen for interviews, and the board then picked Bruce, who will assume the role of chief on July 1.

"He was chosen due to his extensive policing experience in leadership roles with the Ontario Provincial Police," Keyes said. "So he was just exactly what the board felt were the ideal qualities and qualifications for the next chief."

Tony Hayes will continue to act as chief until July 1, when he will return to his position of deputy chief.

Bruce will take over from Stephan Drolet, who left the chief's position after only a year for personal reasons. Drolet himself took over from Bruce Connell, who came out of retirement two years ago to become chief. Connell was in the position for two years.

Experience mattered most to board

Keyes said Bruce has committed to staying on for three to five years. He said in hiring a new chief, experience trumped the candidate's ability to stay in the role for a long time.

"It's the most important position in the same police force," Keyes said. "Length of stay has nothing to do with it.  Demonstrated leadership qualities, qualifications, ability to lead — those are the things that we look for."

Before committing to becoming chief, Bruce was spending his retirement giving speeches on leadership. He also wrote a book titled Leading Beyond Your Presence: Becoming The Leader You Want to be Led By.

Keyes said Bruce wouldl not be available for an interview this week.

 
 
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David Amos 
The plot thickens

 
 
 
 

Saint John police chief to step down after only a year in role

Stephan Drolet leaving job for 'personal reasons'

After just one year on the job Saint John Police Force Chief Stephan Drolet is stepping down.

In a news release, the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners confirmed Drolet will leave his role Feb. 20 "for personal reasons."

Deputy Chief Tony Hayes will take over until the commission finds a new chief, the release said.

Drolet became chief in February of last year. He led the force as it adapted to the COVID-19 pandemic, budget cuts of more than $1 million, a ransomware cyberattack and increased scrutiny from the public as policing agencies reckoned with systemic racism in their ranks.

Before coming to Saint John Drolet worked with the RCMP for 27 years and was British Columbia's deputy criminal operations officer.

Police force spokesperson Jim Hennessey said Drolet will not be available for comment Friday and had nothing further to add to the commission news release.

In an interview commission chair Ed Keyes said he could not elaborate on the reasons for Drolet's departure.

"He'd given a lot of thought, but he just, due to his personal reasons, couldn't continue," he said.

However, he said Drolet's departure will not slow progress on labour negotiations or strategic planning.

"He had put together a very capable senior management team led by Deputy Chief Hayes and his inspectors," he said.

Interim chief open to 'different approaches'

The commission release said Hayes began his career with the Saint John Police Force in 1992 and has been involved in fraud and criminal investigations.

"His openness to consider different approaches to address challenges positions him well as an interim chief
as the leadership role of policing continues to evolve," said Keyes in the the release.

This does put a little wrinkle in in that process, but we'll get through it together.
- Duane Squires, union president.

The commission will begin the recruitment process for a new chief immediately, Keyes said.

Drolet replaced Bruce Connell, who came out of retirement two years ago to become chief after John Bates retired. Keyes said it took three to four months to hire Drolet, and it will likely take the same amount of time to replace him.

Departure 'unfortunate,' union president says

Negotiations between the police union and the force have been going on for about a year, and the two sides have reached an impasse once so far.

Duane Squires, president of the Saint John Police Association, which represents unionized officers, said the union was looking forward to working with Drolet during negotiations. 

"It is unfortunate and unexpected, too, but understandable," he said in an interview.

The two sides haven't scheduled another negotiation meeting yet.

"This does put a little wrinkle in in that process, but we'll get through it together," Squires said.

The police commission is in charge of appointing the chief of police and overseeing the force's operations.

 
 
35 Comments



David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise



Shawn Tabor
Stress.

David Amos
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Reply to Shawn Tabor
Trust that I have been stress testing your former neighbour and all his buddies



Matt Steele
Unfortunately , many people who come from the upper ranks of the RCMP are not used to working , and managing , a unionized work environment . Combine this with the many problems with policing in N.B. due to an out of date , and unrealistic police act , out of control arbitration settlements , and low performing police officers who can't be fired , and you have the perfect storm . Former Police Chief Leanne Fitch tried to clean up the Fredericton Police Department , and look what happened to her ; and she was probably the best Police Chief that Fredericton ever had .

David Amos
Reply to Matt Steele
Surely you jest



Ernesto Rafael
The proximity between the richest and the poorest are buffered by the owned constabulary.

David Amos
Reply to Ernesto Rafael
Oh So True



John Parker
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Dan Short
Reply to @John Parker:
I want the best qualified person, whatever their race, colour age or orientation. Luckily most people are like me in thst fact.

David Amos
Reply to Dan Short
At least ethical people do



Bill Henry
Policing has become a dangerous and thankless job. A lot of danger from being put in jail for doing your job the best that you can, making split second decisions. Sit back with your feet up and collect a pension you earned.

John Parker
Reply to @Bill Henry:
that goes for alot of jobs, sewer workers die at work more than police even, constant dangers and nobody thanks them

Dan Short
Reply to @John Parker:
List the 865 sewer workers who died in the line of duty in Canada by 2018.

Tom Smith
Reply to @Dan Short: 
I'm not quite sure if you are suggesting 865 police officers died in 2018, or your suggesting all police officers in Canada from Confederation to 2018.

We did not lose 865 police officers in 2018. And as for municiple workers or contractors that have died on the job since confederation, you might be surprised.

Jos Allaire
Reply to @Tom Smith: 
Fishers have the most dangerous job.

Graeme Scott

Reply to @Bill Henry: 
I don't believe policing even makes the top 10 of the most dangerous jobs. In fact policing is number 16 in terms of fatalities per 100,000 workers in the US according to the Bureau of Labour Statistics.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-06-23/how-dangerous-is-police-work


Bill Henry
Reply to @Graeme Scott: 
death isn’t the only quantifier of danger.

Matt Steele
Reply to @Bill Henry: 
.....Policing is not even in the top ten of dangerous professions . Construction , farming , fishing , logging , etc are all more dangerous than policing , and pay far less .

David Amos
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Reply to Jos Allaire
Methinks a lot of folks would agree that Whistleblowers have a far more dangerous job "Dead Men Tell No Tales" N'esy Pas?



Graeme Scott
Maybe he wanted to make his first experience working with a unionized rank and file his last?

David Amos
Reply to Graeme Scott
Seems so



Johnny Jakobs
Laaa... goofy grin

Chuck Gendron
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs: 
Don't judge a book by its cover.

Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @Chuck Gendron: 
He looks guilty.

David Amos
Reply to Johnny Jakobs
Yup



Al Clark
He knew he made a mistake when he arrived and kept hearing banjos ;-)

Shawn Tabor
Reply to @Al Clark: 
Too funny

David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
You should know



Eric Plexe
The previous police chief, John Bates, retired in 2017 after only two years in that role:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bates-saint-john-police-chief-retirement-1.4452805


Eric Plexe
Reply to @Eric Plexe: 
After Bates’ departure, retired deputy chief Bruce Connell returned until Stephan Drolet was selected as the new police chief

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-police-interim-chief-bruce-connell-bates-1.4582913


David Amos
Reply to Eric Plexe
Dean Secord, first vice-president of the Saint John Police Association, blames Mayor Don Darling for Chief John Bates' sudden decision to retire.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/don-darling-police-union-chief-commission-1.4456146



Robert L. Brown
pension confirmed ?

David Amos
Reply to Robert L. Brown
No doubt



Theo Lavigne
If the deputy chief can do the job why look to find a new one? More money saved for Saint John.....

Robert Buck
Reply to @Theo Lavigne: 
You do realize the Deputy Chief will be getting the Chief's pay until a new Chief is selected.

Bill Henry
Reply to @Robert Buck: 
two paycheques? Now that is cool. How do they do that exactly? Lol

Theo Lavigne
Reply to @Robert Buck: 
Yes but it is still one less cop on the force isn't it?

David Amos
Reply to Theo Lavigne
C'est Vrai
 
 
 
 

Retired deputy chief named interim chief of Saint John Police Force

Bruce Connell, who retired in 2014, replaces outgoing Chief John Bates, effective April 1

Bruce Connell, pictured here on the right with former chief Bill Reid in 2010, when he was appointed deputy chief. Connell retired in 2014. (Saint John Police Force)

A former deputy chief of the Saint John Police Force is coming out of retirement to serve as the interim chief.

Bruce Connell will replace John Bates, the outging chief, on April 1, the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners announced Monday.

Connell retired in 2014 after 30 years of service.

"We're pleased to welcome Bruce back to the Saint John Police Force family," commission chair Jennifer Carhart said in a statement.

"He knows the community and the operation thoroughly, he knows the men and women on the team, and he can provide the steady leadership we need while we go through the search process for a new chief," she said.

There is no word on when a new chief will be hired.

Police board chair Jennifer Carhart said a swearing-in ceremony will be held in mid-April. (CBC)

Connell has agree to act as interim chief for up to two years, ensuring adequate time to complete the search and for a period of transition once a permanent replacement is found, said Carhart.

A formal swearing-in ceremony for Connell will be held in mid-April.

Bates could not immediately be reached for comment on Monday but offered his congratulations to Connell on Twitter.

Bates announced his retirement last December, after just two years at the helm.

His surprise decision to step down came on the heels of city council's decision to cut the police budget by $1.25 million in 2018.

Saint John Police Chief John Bates surprised many with his retirement announcement last December. (CBC)

Bates had advised council that slashing that amount could force management to "start looking at cannibalizing" some of the specialized units. The union has said the street crime, traffic and community response units will be eliminated.

Last week, the city's finance committee approved an updated operating budget, which will see the police cuts reversed in light of $22 million from the provincial government.

 
 
 
 
 

Saint John mayor calls police union's allegations 'completely unfounded'

Don Darling denies he's interfering with management of the police force or controlling the commission

Saint John Mayor Don Darling denies allegations by the police union that he's interfering with management of the force and controlling the police commission, rendering it "dysfunctional."

"That's completely unfounded," he told CBC News on Friday, four days after the Saint John Police Association held a news conference about the issue and calling for the minister of public safety to intervene.

"I think, to be blunt, it's very self-serving, this commentary," said Darling. "It's deflection, it's smoke screens, it's red herrings to beat a drum — it's what has happened for decades so that a group can get what they want."

The union has accused Darling of undermining Chief John Bates's legislative authority to manage the force, and suggested that's what prompted the chief's surprise retirement announcement on Dec. 15, after only two years at the helm.

It also alleges the mayor is "running" the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, in violation of the Police Act.

Dean Secord, first vice-president of the Saint John Police Association, blames Mayor Don Darling for Chief John Bates' sudden decision to retire. (YouTube)

The public dispute comes on the heels of council's decision to cut the police budget by $1.25 million next year.

Bates had advised council that slashing that amount would "change the face of policing" and could force management to "start looking at cannibalizing" some of the specialized units.

The union has said the street crime, traffic and community response units will be eliminated.

Bates has declined to comment on his reasons for leaving, but Darling downplayed the significance of the timing.

"I came from a corporate background where, you know, people leave all the time," he said. "You know, people have their personal reasons. I have no idea why people decide to do these types of things."

Saint John Police Chief John Bates announced Dec. 15 that he will be retiring in April from the job he's held since 2015. (CBC)

He said the Police Act gives the six-member commission authority to approve the police budget and set the "priorities and objectives" of the force.

"And that's exactly what the police commission is attempting to do and as an individual, as a member of the police commission, I take that responsibility very seriously."

Darling said he has faced "incredibly personal" attacks by "special interest groups" over contentious issues in recent months.

This is not about being liked, folks.
- Don Darling, mayor

"A couple of days ago, I was probably at the lowest I've been in this job," feeling "beat up' and "tired," he said.

But he made a promise during his election campaign and a promise to himself that his values and principles would be "non-negotiable" and remains resolved.

"This is not about being liked, folks," he said.

"People threaten me all the time, 'If you don't do this, I won't vote for you.' And I say respectfully, 'Take that vote, I don't care. I'm going to do what I believe is right for this city.'"

Darling said he plans to take a "full break" from social media for the next week or two.

Department of Justice and Public Safety officials have agreed to meet with members of the police union, said spokesman Robert Duguay. But no details about the meeting have been released.

'Healthy dialogue'

Jennifer Carhart, chair of the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, said the six members function well as a group. (CBC)

Commission chair Jennifer Carhart also rejected the union's claims about the board earlier this week. She contends it functions well.

"We are a group of volunteers with various professional backgrounds, skill sets and responsibilities and roles," she said.

"Our conversations are absolutely full of life every time we come to the table. Are some voices just by virtue of physical presence louder? Perhaps. However at the end of the day, as we sit today, we are an extremely rounded and grounded commission with various experiences and by no means would I suggest or say that one person is leading, by no means.

Darling "brings his lens, but we have healthy dialogue all the time," she said.

Carhart described the commission's role as a "governance body."

"We don't get into the operations of policing."

She said there's "lots of rhetoric being thrown around" as to why the chief retired, but she too suggested it was for personal reasons.

"So I think it would be disrespectful and unfair to not allow him the privacy that he's obviously seeking at this time as he's made this personal decision for he and his family."

Carhart said she respects Bates' decision, is grateful to have had the opportunity to work with a man of such "great integrity" and wishes him well in whatever his future holds.

Bates' retirement takes effect on April 15. The police commission will begin the search for a new chief in the new year.

With files from Rachel Cave and Information Morning Saint John

 
 
 
 

Saint John police union accuses mayor of violating Police Act

Association alleges Don Darling has undermined chief's authority to manage force and is controlling commission

Dean Secord, first vice-president of the Saint John Police Association, blames Mayor Don Darling for Chief John Bates' sudden decision to retire. (YouTube)

The Saint John Police Association has accused Mayor Don Darling of violating the provincial Police Act and is calling on the minister of public safety to intervene.

The union alleges Darling has undermined Chief John Bates's legislative authority to manage and direct the police force, which it contends prompted the chief's surprise retirement.

It also alleges the mayor is "running" the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, rendering it "dysfunctional."

"The reason 'commission' was put into the legislation is to ensure policing was kept an arm's length from the political agendas and baggage of councils," the association's first vice-president Dean Secord said during a news conference on Monday.

The role of council, said Secord, is to ensure the funding necessary to provide and maintain adequate policing.

But Darling is "attempting to treat the police force as a city department under his dictate," he said.

Darling could not immediately be reached for comment on Monday. He, as mayor, is a member of the commission.

Department of Public Safety officials will meet with the association to discuss the matter.

"Chief Bates's decision to retire is not on its face a matter for the Department of Justice and Public Safety," said spokesperson Robert Duguay said.

"The New Brunswick Police Association has asked to meet, however, and so we'll meet and hear what they have to say."

He declined to say whether a date has been set.

Saint John Police Chief John Bates announced late Friday afternoon that he will be retiring from the job he's held since 2015. (CBC)

Bates, who served his retirement notice Friday, after only two years at the helm, declined to comment on his reasons.

"I do not intend to publicly discuss why I've decided to retire," he said in an email to CBC News.

His decision to step down effective April 15 comes on the heels of council's decision to cut the police budget by $1.25 million next year.

Bates had advised council that slashing that amount could force management to "start looking at cannibalizing" some of the specialized units. The union has said the street crime, traffic and community response units will be eliminated.

Overall the municipality's $152 million budget for next year is $1.4 million lower than the current year. Darling has said the city is more than $205 million in debt and can't ignore its financial situation.

"We have to cut $5 million a year for the next three years to even survive," the mayor has said. "Let's make sure we're on a sustainable path or we'll implode this city."

While there is much speculation the chief is leaving because of the budget, the union contends it's only one factor.

"No chief that is highly qualified, as Chief Bates is, is going to work in a political interference environment that has been created by Mayor Darling," Secord said.

"The mayor obviously wants a puppet chief that he can control and have ignore the Police Act."

Jennifer Carhart, chair of the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, dismisses the union's allegations the mayor has rendered the commission 'dysfunctional.' (CBC)

Commission chair Jennifer Carhart rejected the notion the board is operating under the direction of the mayor.

"As the chair, I can tell you I certainly don't experience that," she said.

"Certainly we all come to the table with strong opinions and views, which is what makes us such a comprehensive and professional board because everybody has a lens they're looking through and I think it would be inappropriate and unfair to suggest he's controlling us.

"He comes with his mayor's hat lens and provides that insight, as each of us comes with our own professional experiences and lenses to the table and engage in good healthy dialogue. But 'controlling' would be the farthest word from my mind."

Commissioner resigned

 Carhart does not see the commission as dysfunctional either.

"I see us as highly functional and extremely professional with wide talent and expertise sitting around the table."

Carhart confirmed commissioner William (Bill) Thompson resigned on Dec. 8, nearly two years ahead of schedule, but did not share his reasons.

Thompson was appointed by council on Oct. 31, 2016, for a three-year term.

This is indeed the lowest point of morale in the 169-year history of the Saint John Police Force.
- Dean Secord, police union

He has been replaced by Jeff McAloon, who is scheduled to serve until Dec. 11, 2019.

The commission will hold a special private meeting Thursday at 7 a.m. to discuss plans to replace the chief, said Carhart.

The union contends the commission will be hard-pressed to find a replacement.

"This is indeed the lowest point of morale in the 169-year history of the Saint John Police Force," said Secord, who is also the president of the New Brunswick Police Association.

Bates said he is committed to "supporting the force and making its transition to new leadership as seamless as possible.

"I have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for the members of the Saint John Police Force and I am grateful for time I was afforded the privilege to lead them," his statement said.

Bates said it's too early to say whether he will continue to live in Saint John following his retirement.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/bill-reid-is-comfortable-with-oland-murder-investigation-1.3042313 

Bill Reid is 'comfortable' with Oland murder investigation

Saint John Police chief is retiring after 37 years on the force

Saint John police Chief Bill Reid says he is confident in the way his officers investigated the Richard Oland murder and how their work will weather the scrutiny of a trial. (CBC)

Saint John police Chief Bill Reid says he is very comfortable with the work his officers have done on the Richard Oland murder case.

Reid made the comments during an interview with CBC News on Tuesday, his last full day of work before he retires from the force after 37 years of service, including seven years at the helm.

A lawyer representing Oland's son, Dennis Oland, who is charged with second-degree murder, has suggested the quality of the police work in the case will be under scrutiny.

Reid says that's no different than any other case.

Dennis Oland is scheduled to stand trial for second-degree murder in the death of his father, Richard Oland, starting on Sept. 16. (CBC)

"I think if you look at any major cases in Canada or anywhere in North America, it gets that scrutiny. There'll always be finger pointing," he said.

"I would suggest that you look at the evidence first. That's what's going to convict an individual — not what we did or didn't do," Reid said.

Richard Oland, 69, was found dead in his investment firm office, Far End Corp., on July 7, 2011.

Dennis Oland, his only son, was arrested more than two years later, on Nov. 12, 2013, and charged the following day.

His trial is scheduled to begin in mid-September and last 65 days.

Businessman Richard Oland was found dead in his Saint John office on July 7, 2011. (Canadian Yachting Association)

"The Crown prosecution has had the case for quite awhile and these are very competent people and have tried many homicide cases. So I'm very comfortable with it," said Reid.

Still, that doesn't mean there isn't something to be learned from the investigation, he said.

"If at the end of the day there's a suggestion we should have done something different, or there's an aspect of training that has to be increased, then that will be done."

Search for new chief ongoing

Reid announced his retirement in January. The search for his replacement, being led by Nicole Paquet, chair of the city's police commission, continues.

Deputy Chief Glen McCloskey will serve as acting chief until a successor is named.

Reid has seen the force through some other high-profile cases, such as the sexual abuse investigation of former Saint John city councillor Donnie Snook.

He was considered progressive when it came to managing crimes around the sex trade and drugs.

He was an advocate of the methadone program. And, he directed his force to embarrass and target those who paid for sex, rather than those who sold it.

"We weren't arresting the sex trade workers for that solicitation part of it. We were more apt to towards the Johns in terms of disclosure," he said.

"In other words, sending them John letters and suggesting that the area that they're in and the activities that they're involved in, are highly dangerous. So really, if it's born out of embarrassment or I'm not going to be there, those types of things — that's how we try to tackle that."

Reid says Saint John has seen six consecutive years of crime reduction.

And, he says, he has submitted a plan to correct this year's budget shortfall of $350,000.

Police wages and overtime costs have been subjects of a recent battle between city councillors and the department. 

 
 
 
 
 
 

Mel Norton's criticism of police chief sparks backlash

Police commission chair stands by Bill Reid's budgeting skills in hard financial times

Criticism of retiring Saint John Police Chief Bill Reid by Mayor Mel Norton has brought a sharp reaction from Saint John councillors and the head of the police commission.

Earlier in the week, Norton's musing about the qualities he'd like to see in a new police chief veered into criticism of the outgoing chief's ability to manage the department's budget.

Saint John Mayor Mel Norton said he hopes Saint John's new police chief is able to "restore a level of confidence" in budget management of the police force. (CBC)

Norton said the new chief should be someone who "restores a level of confidence" in the budget management of the police force.

"We don't have a lot of confidence generally speaking in the community in the — especially — the leadership from a financial budget-control perspective at the department," said Norton.

Saint John Police Commission chair Nicole Paquet said she was "appalled" at Norton's comment.

"He wasn't speaking on behalf of the commission," said Paquet. "We've never discussed a lack of confidence in the chief."

Norton and his brother, Coun. Greg Norton, both served on the police commission and Pacquet said they both approved a union contract this year that includes wage increases that are directly tied to a budget increase for the department.

"They need to stand up as commission members and stand behind that and stand behind their chief," said Paquet. "And understand that — you know — there are real dollars associated with that, that the chief was asked to find, and he did find it."

Saint John Police Chief Bill Reid is retiring after 37 years on the force. (Connell Smith/CBC)

All city departments had been instructed to hold the line on their budgets for 2015, but last April members of the police union secured the three-year contract renewal giving them pay increases of 4.5 per cent in the first year and 3.75 per cent in each of the last two years of the contract.

The deal avoided mandatory arbitration and followed two years of zero per cent increases for union members. Instead of holding the line, the 2015 police budget came in at $24.2 million, a 3.1 per cent increase.

Paquet says Reid had a difficult job in difficult financial times. She points to praise that has poured in for Reid for his work on community policing, intelligence-based policing, and for drastically lower crime rates in the city.

Coun. John MacKenzie is also a police commission member and said he has "confidence in the police department and the chief."

"I'd like to see the good work that's been done continue down the road."

Coun. Shirley McAlary said Norton's remarks are "not the opinion of council."

"I think Bill Reid has done a good job as chief of police."

 
 
 
 
 

RCMP likely not interested in Saint John contract

Labour dispute with municipal officers does not meet criteria, says Public Safety Canada

The federal government would likely not consider an RCMP deal with the city at this time, according to an emailed statement from Public Safety Canada spokesman Jean Paul Duval.

Bad relations between any city and local police force is a non-starter, he said.

Only municipalities "not involved or likely to be involved in a labour dispute with its police force," will be considered.

Saint John is currently locked in contract negotiations with the union representing the Saint John Police Force.

The Saint John Police Association applied to the provincial government for arbitration in September and alleges the latest move by council is a bid to interfere.

Association president Jamie Hachey has said he plans to file a complaint with the New Brunswick Labour and Employment Board, alleging "extortion" by the employer.

In addition, a municipality not previously policed by the RCMP must have a population of less than 15,000 people to be considered by Public Safety Canada, said Duval.

Saint John's population currently stands at about 70,000, meaning the city does not meet RCMP guidelines.

Still, Mayor Mel Norton stands by council's decision to ask city staff for a report on the issue.

"It's essentially a request for a report on a report, it's one of the most benign questions that someone could ask," he said.

"So the kind of questions you're raising are the kinds of questions that council has in its own mind and the kind of questions our skilled management will be able to provide us answers to."

Norton says the motion puts taxpayers first.

"We have a spending problem in Saint John and the recent budget highlights that what's happening in protective services is not sustainable," said Norton, whose vote broke the council tie on the motion.

The 2014 police budget increased by $1 million to almost $24 million.

Deputy Mayor Shelley Rinehart, who voted against, says there should have been more questions and answers before the vote.

"We didn't have the opportunity to have a discussion and that's unfortunate," she said.

City staff are still working on a report

It could take several weeks, Norton said.

 
 
 
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David Amos 
 
Methinks the RCMP and the union representing the Saint John Police Force deserve each other N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 

Saint John council votes to consider move to RCMP policing

Decision prompts complaint to labour board from police union negotiating new contract

Saint John ponders RCMP
January 7, 2014|
Duration 2:06
 
Saint John council is coming under fire for voting to look at switching to the RCMP while locked in contract negotiations with the union representing city police.

The City of Saint John has voted to take a serious look at switching to the RCMP for police protection.

The move comes as the city is locked in contract negotiations with the union representing the Saint John Police Force.

Dozens off off-duty Saint John police officers and their supporters attended Monday's city council meeting. (Connell Smith / CBC)

The union alleges city council is trying to interfere in contract negotiations between the union and the city's police commission.

"This guy's got no mandate to do what he just did there. None!" said police union representative Bob Davidson.

"We're wasting time, money, effort," said Davidson, who was surrounded by dozens of off-duty police officers who attended the council meeting.

Police commission chairperson Christopher Waldschutz appeared to agree with Davidson's assessment.

"We're in the middle of negotiations. How can you foster trust and goodwill?" said Waldschutz.

"To threaten one party with annihilation is scarcely the way to make things go smoothly," he said.

Waldschutz contends city officers provide great service and relate to the community in a way that could never be matched by the Mounties.

City council voted Monday to examine the process and the costs involved of switching to the RCMP.

Mayor Mel Norton said the exercise is only about gathering information and allowing council to make some comparisons after having to add $1-million to its budget for policing costs in 2014.

"Any time we can be more informed that's a positive opportunity and this is one of those opportunities," said Norton.

It's council's job to protect taxpayers, even if it means asking difficult questions, he said.

"If the Saint John Police Force is giving us currently the absolute best return for citizens' dollars, then this initiated process will confirm that reality. If it isn't the best bang for citizens' dollars, then it will also confirm that."

However, the vote was not unanimous. Coun. Shirley McAlary was one of five councillors who voted against the move.

"I have a concern about the legal aspect of it because we are not the commission of the police," said McAlary.

Norton and his brother, Coun. Greg Norton, both sit on the city's police commission as well as on city council.

McAlary said council should get a legal opinion on whether they should have been allowed to participate in Monday's vote.

Police association president Jamie Hachey said the council's move will not go unchallenged. He says he'll file a complaint with the New Brunswick Labour and Employment Board.

"We're in active collective bargaining and they've threatened to contract out our jobs as an extortion tactic," he said.

In addition, the Norton brothers have both taken part in contract talks, said Hachey.

"They had a duty to negotiate in good faith and this clearly breaches it."

 
 
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"The federal government would likely not consider an RCMP deal with the city at this time, according to an emailed statement from Public Safety Canada spokesman Jean Paul Duval.

Bad relations between any city and local police force is a non-starter, he said.

Only municipalities "not involved or likely to be involved in a labour dispute with its police force," will be considered."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rcmp-likely-not-interested-in-saint-john-contract-1.2495804

 
 
 
 

Saint John councillor mulls switch to RCMP for policing city

Coun. David Merrithew wants city to get estimate from Mounties as possible cost-saving measure

A Saint John city councillor wants council to study the cost of bringing in the RCMP to police the city, in hopes it may be a way to save money.

Ward 4 Coun. David Merrithew will put forward a motion Monday night, asking city staff about getting a quote from the national police force.

"This past budget saw costs for policing increase by approximately $1 million," Merrithew states in his written submission to council.

"Such increases in a single year, especially given the small growth in our overall tax base, are not sustainable," he said.

"It is the financial responsibility of this council to explore alternative cost for policing services for the city of Saint John."

But Chris Waldschutz, chair of the Saint John Board of Police Commissioners, contends Merrithew's figures are misleading.

The Saint John Police Force's core operating budget is unchanged this year, he said.

Council recently approved a 2014 policing services budget of $23.7 million. Last year, the budget was $22.7 million.

The $1 million increase covers two years of anticipated pay increases — 2013 and 2014 — as well as long-term disability commitments, said Waldschutz.

My fear is we're not going to compare apples and apples.
- Chris Waldschutz, Saint John Board of Police Commissioners

In addition, the force represents 13 per cent of the city's overall budget, which is comparatively low, he said.

"My fear is we're not going to compare apples and apples," Waldschutz said, with respect to any study.

Meanwhile, the New Brunswick Police Association says it conducted a 15-year comparison that shows the RCMP is consistently more expensive in New Brunswick than municipal policing.

The cost of Mounties range between 10.4 per cent and 26 per cent higher than the average cost of a municipal police force, based on data provided by the provincial government, said executive director Bob Davidson.

"A federal service cannot be less expensive than a local service, it's just not going to happen," he said.

'Disheartening' tactic

Davidson worries about the impact of Merrithew's motion on morale among the Saint John Police Force's 166 officers.

He contends it's an anti-union move in the midst of contract negotiations that are at an impasse.

"This tactic is very disheartening and very suspicious at this time when you have your contract going to binding arbitration to settle," he said.

In June, Saint John council voted unanimously to promote the idea of creating a regional police force.

But the proposal was quickly shot down by the Fundy Regional Service Commission.

Council subsequently voted unanimously on a motion to declare its support for city officers.

The Saint John Police Force is one of the oldest police services in Canada.

The RCMP provide policing services in 190 municipalities in Canada.

Moncton started outsourcing its policing services to the Codiac Regional RCMP in 1997, when the city disbanded its municipal police force.

The city had considered switching back to a local police department in 2010 during a financial dispute with its neighbouring communities of Dieppe and Riverview, as well as the federal government.

But council voted to keep the RCMP after it reached a new-cost sharing deal with the other two municipalities.

In 2012, the federal government also agreed to contribute 10 per cent of the policing costs in Greater Moncton.

 
 
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I ignored Bob Davidson for years but not anymore 
 
 
 
 
 

Mel Norton, police commission spar over soaring OT costs

Jonathan Franklin, chair of the Saint John Police Commission, says overtime costs can be explained

Police overtime costs
November 6, 2014|
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Saint John’s mayor and the chair of the city’s police commission are at loggerheads over the suggestion that overtime costs are out of control at the Saint John Police Force

Saint John’s mayor and the chair of the city’s police commission are at loggerheads over the suggestion that overtime costs are out of control at the Saint John Police Force.

Saint John Mayor Mel Norton is looking for the Saint John Police Commission to be more forthcoming about overtime costs. (CBC)

Mayor Mel Norton has urged the Saint John Police Commission to explain why more than $1 million was paid out in overtime last year. The police commission’s figures show the overtime budget was exceeded by $421,000.

Jonathan Franklin, the chair of the Saint John Police Commission, said it is “nonsense” to suggest that policing costs are out of control in the city.

Franklin said police costs have barely risen over the past four years, but he has agreed to keep an eye on overtime costs.

He points to several high-profile cases that have caused the overtime budget to grow.

The Richard Oland murder investigation has been a major job for the city police force, according to the police commission's chair.

Saint John Police Commission chair Jonathan Franklin says police costs have barely risen over the past four years. (CBC)

”There were 55 officers who either gave testimony or were scheduled to give testimony in court,” he said.

And in the Donnie Snook child pornography investigation, Franklin said one specialized officer billed roughly $46,000 in overtime.

“In the Snook case, it was an internet investigation … which meant that one of our members had to do a lot of overtime because there was technology involved there, as well as he had to spend a lot of time there, when things were going online,” he said.

As mayor, Norton has been trying to wrestle down policing costs. The Saint John council briefly examined switching to the RCMP and away from the municipal force.

The idea never got off the ground, but it set the tone for some bitter relations between city politicians and its police force.

Franklin said the Richard Oland murder investigation added significantly to the overtime costs. (CBC)

Norton, who sits as a non-voting member on the police commission, said he was defending the city’s taxpayers by asking tough questions about policing costs.  

Norton said the police commission is responsible for more than just how the Saint John police force is doing its job.

"From my perspective, the commission can appreciate the good job our police officers are doing, while also holding the police force and its management accountable for the money they're spending in a ballooning overtime budget,” he said.

Norton has received support from council members.

Coun. Greg Norton said on Twitter this week that he was “disappointed” by the commission’s decision not to report back to council on what actions could be done to curtail overtime costs.

Franklin also said the cost to the taxpayers for overtime isn't nearly as much as the mayor is alleging.

He said the chief has kept the overall budget down by making cuts to compensate for overtime, such as removing four police vehicles from service.

OT data will be collected

While Franklin disagrees with the insinuation that overtime costs are out of control, he said the police commission will gather monthly information on overtime from the force.

 The Saint John Police officers billed more than $1 million in overtime in the last year. (CBC)

It's not clear whether the commission will turn that information over to the public.

Further, Franklin is reluctant to identify overtime costs by officer, which is also being demanded by both Nortons.

He said those details are a matter of police operations and for the police commission.

Saint John is not alone when it comes to dealing with ballooning policing costs.

Franklin said councils across Canada are trying to rein in police budgets.

He said the upward pressure on police budgets is driven in part by court delays and mental health emergencies that no other organizations else will handle.

He said the Saint John Police Force is not wasting public funds.

“If this was a fat, expensive police force, I would be the first person to say, 'Look guys, stop it,'” he said.

 
 
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I was in Alberta at the time this was published However something far more important was published the very same day.

I have no doubt that the RCMP, the Saint John cops and many others in New Brunswick and Alberta remember my calls that day. The cop calls are always recorded

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/family-of-morgan-dunbar-wants-to-help-others-after-teen-s-suicide-1.2823916

Family of Morgan Dunbar wants to help others after teen's suicide

Family creates ‘Morgan’s Mission,’ after teen faced bullying in New Brunswick and Fort McMurray

John Archer, Trisha Estabrooks · CBC News · Posted: Nov 06, 2014 8:00 AM AST

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/family-of-morgan-dunbar-wants-to-help-others-after-teen-s-suicide-1.2823916 

Family of Morgan Dunbar wants to help others after teen's suicide

Family creates ‘Morgan’s Mission,’ after teen faced bullying in New Brunswick and Fort McMurray

Twin sister of Morgan, Bailey Dunbar wishes she could have done something to save her sister's life. (CBC)

Bailey Dunbar can still remember the feeling deep inside her stomach when she knew something was wrong with her twin sister Morgan.

“As soon as we pulled up to the house, it was like I couldn’t move. I was paralyzed,” she said while sitting on her bed in her home in Fort McMurray. Framed pictures of her sister smiling and laughing sit on a shelf across the room.

As soon as the family’s truck parked outside of their home, Dunbar raced into the house, first checking her parents' room, then going to the bedroom that she shared with her 13-year-old sister.

Dunbar could hear music and their dog, Laci, whining from the other side of the door. When she turned the door handle, it was locked. She knocked and knocked. Her sister never opened the door. 

Morgan Dunbar died June 27, 2014, the first day of summer vacation, the day after her final day of Grade 6. She took her own life with the music blaring, her dog locked in the room with her. 

"You know something is going on, you do your best to fix it as a parent and teach your kids to be stronger, but at the same time know that they're really falling apart inside. It's hard to watch that and know you can't fix it," Natasha Dunbar said. (CBC)

“I didn’t know she was in that much pain,” Bailey Dunbar said this week. 

“I didn’t see it coming, no one did. I thought she was okay, but I guess she wasn’t.”

That pain is at the centre of the Dunbar family’s healing and is the crux of a new foundation they’ve started called “Morgan’s Mission.”

The goal of Morgan’s Mission is to raise awareness about cyberbullying, which Morgan’s mother, Natasha, says she was victim of, and suicide prevention.

‘Regular, happy kid’

Pointing to a picture of Morgan taken weeks before her death, Natasha Dunbar pauses and calls her the baby, the youngest of her five children.

Morgan and Bailey Dunbar, identical twins. (CBC)

“You would think she is just a regular, happy individual,” she said.

Morgan is smiling in the picture, her brown hair brushed to one side of her face. Behind the big brown eyes and the casual smile lies another story, one the Dunbar family is still struggling to understand.

“Being a twin you have a special bond. You know what the other one is feeling. Morgan — I always knew what she felt,” said Bailey.

Fiercely protective of her sister, who was born seven minutes after her, Bailey said she often defended Morgan when people made fun of her or taunted her at school. In Grade 5, Bailey said she “knocked out” a guy who called Morgan a "jerk."

“I’d always look over her. I was like her guardian angel, she said that to me one day. I’d always just watch over her,” Bailey said, remembering nights when Morgan would crawl into her bed if she was really upset about something that happened at school.

Listen to Edmonton AM's Mark Connolly talk to John Archer about Morgan Dunbar 

Bullied since grade one

Bailey Dunbar can remember her sister being bullied as early as Grade 1. Although they were identical twins, Morgan was smaller than her sister. Bailey remembers classmates in Saint John, New Brunswick, calling her sister "coconut head," "fat" and "ugly."

When the family moved to Fort McMurray in October 2013, the taunts continued, intensifying on the social networking site Facebook.

“A lot of it was just being nasty, telling her she’s ugly, telling her nobody liked her, telling her to go cut herself, telling her she should die,” said Natasha Dunbar, describing the messages she and her husband discovered before Morgan’s death.

“For someone like her, it was hard and it really took an emotional toll on her. And she really felt this is how everybody felt about her.”

Last Christmas, Morgan’s parents deactivated her Facebook account, but months after her death, a relative discovered another Facebook account they believe belonged to Morgan detailing how she felt. Her parents say they were blocked from accessing the site.

Signs of Suicide

Natasha Dunbar wants parents to know the signs of suicide and hopes the "Morgan’s Mission" foundation will help achieve that goal. When Morgan started wearing long-sleeved clothes in January 2013, her mother discovered her daughter was cutting herself.

The family sought help, first turning to their family doctor who referred them to a mental health clinic. Natasha Dunbar said the psychiatrists in Fort McMurray were hesitant to see Morgan because of her age.

“Being she was only 13, a lot of the psychiatrists that are here can’t or won’t — I don’t know which one — deal with kids under the age of 16.”

They were referred to another clinic in Edmonton. Natasha Dunbar said the referral was sent to the wrong address and when a follow up call was made by the clinic at the middle of August, it was too late.

“It was very frustrating to try and make those connections and get a hold of people,” she said.

Purple Day

As a way to remember and celebrate Morgan’s life, the Dunbar family organized a "purple day" on Oct. 22.

Morgan and Bailey Dunbar both loved being cheerleaders in Saint John, N.B. (CBC)

The girls’ former cheerleading team in New Brunswick changed their team colours of red and black to purple that day to remember Morgan, their teammate who helped lead them to two provincial cheerleading championship. A memory wall now hangs in the gymnasium of the Carleton, N.B community centre.

When the initial shock of Morgan’s suicide ebbed, Natasha Dunbar said she reached a crossroads in her life. At that point, the family had already moved out of the home where Morgan died.

“I can let this lead me down a dark road or I can do something to make sure this doesn’t happen to another family,” she said, determined to make "Morgan’s Mission" succeed.

She’d like the foundation to become a national initiative that works with schools and sports teams to raise awareness about bullying and mental health and also to promote kindness.

The way forward

Bailey Dunbar still wishes her sister had talked to her about her struggles, wishes she had shared the hateful messages she received. She wishes she could have helped. 

Natasha Dunbar and her daughter Bailey want "Morgan's Mission" to raise awareness about cyberbullying and prevent suicide. (CBC)

A week before school ended, Bailey says her twin said she needed her help. “I didn’t know what it meant, and I couldn’t help her because I didn’t know what she needed help with,” she said.

Now, four months after Morgan’s death, Natasha Dunbar says Bailey struggles with post traumatic stress disorder. She was the one who pushed the door open after it was unlocked, she was there when Morgan was found dead in the bedroom they shared.

“She feels like half of her is gone. It’s a challenge and it’s going to be a challenge for her everyday for the rest of her life,” Natasha Dunbar said.

That "not right" feeling Bailey had when pulling up to their home hasn’t gone away. 

“I’m hoping I can get through it all, the pain, but I know the pain isn’t going to go. I’m hoping I can change bullying, make it stop for once, maybe, or least try to,” Bailey Dunbar said.

 
 
 
 
 
  

 

 

 

 

 

 


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