Canada Revenue Agency grapples with 'phantom' worker pay
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Artie Gibson
Anyone wonder about this >>, and why nothing was ever done about the alleged corruption?
>> www.cbc.ca/news/canada/blogs/montreal-revenue-canada-corruption-feared
>> www.cbc.ca/news/canada/blogs/montreal-revenue-canada-corruption-feared
David Raymond Amos
@Artie Gibson Perhaps you
should Google David Amos Bank Fraud and see old documents on mine
published on the Internet way back (not by me) and you may understand
the corruption problem goes to the very top of the system's food chain.
@Artie Gibson I you want to go deeper Google David Amos KPMG RCMP
Morsel Low
So the CRA wll write off
payments sent to their former employees, but they go after the little
piddly amounts owed by Canadians, never mind that they don't actively go
after the rich that owe far more. There needs to be a total overhaul of
the CRA, and it needs to start at the top...how much did the top dogs
at the CRA get for bonus' siting a good job done?
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David Raymond Amos
@Morsel Low FYI The CRA
killed my SIN years ago and did not much care untill I had to fight
tooth and nail to get MY CPP. The CROWN has also stopped me fro renewing
my drivers licence and even denied my getting Health Care card Now
that the CROWN is trying to stop my receiving my old age pension while
they cover up their own fraud and incompetence? Methinks I should sue
the CROWN AGAIN ASAP.
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Why is it that I was not surprised that CBC blocked me out of the gate?
David Raymond Amos
@Morsel Low Methinks CBC and
the CRA and two lawyers in particular should check their Twitter
accounts and my blog ASAP N'esy Pas Minister Melanie Joly and Hubby Baby
lacroix?
Darren MacDonald
@David Raymond Amos I'm sure they are on it already. It's on their priorty list for "must do" today.
David Raymond Amos
@Darren MacDonald Talk is cheap in CBC for Judges and the CRA
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/chief-justice-slams-federal-government-court-vacancies-1.4068702
But for certain lawyers May 24th is coming fast N'esy Pas?
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=All
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/chief-justice-slams-federal-government-court-vacancies-1.4068702
But for certain lawyers May 24th is coming fast N'esy Pas?
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=A-48-16&select_court=All
http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.gc.ca/IndexingQueries/infp_RE_info_e.php?court_no=T-1557-15&select_court=All
Hugh MacDonald
@Tarl Cabbot
"...those unlucky enough to be born outside of privilege, are near worthless fodder to the money making machine"
Fortunately ol' Justin was just the product of the working class.
Oh, wait a second...
"...those unlucky enough to be born outside of privilege, are near worthless fodder to the money making machine"
Fortunately ol' Justin was just the product of the working class.
Oh, wait a second...
David Raymond Amos
@Tarl Cabbot Methinks the top dogs in the CRA should read deeper in this thread
Mack MacEven
The Phoenix pay system is a problem made entirely by Liberal mismanagement.
If you are trying to decide who to vote for, Liberal or Conservative consider this:
Rob Ford lowered taxes, balanced the city budget, improved services and saved Toronto from bankruptcy.
This proves that even a Tory with drug addiction and alcohol problem can run things better than a sober Liberal with an enormous ego.
If you are trying to decide who to vote for, Liberal or Conservative consider this:
Rob Ford lowered taxes, balanced the city budget, improved services and saved Toronto from bankruptcy.
This proves that even a Tory with drug addiction and alcohol problem can run things better than a sober Liberal with an enormous ego.
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David Raymond Amos
@Mack MacEven What planet are you from?
David Raymond Amos
@Mack MacEven I see that you are popular with CBC
CRA giving a pass on their
own employees seems to be a little bit of one sidedness. If the average
wage earner out there had received $1.00 extra they'd be all over them
with a penalty to boot.
David Raymond Amos
@Joseph Cluster I wonder how many Taxpayers are pissed off today
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Whereas CBC unblocked this comment why not the rest as well?
Michael Geraldson
The CRA says "it has an
automated system in place to reduce overpayments". Why doesn't it have a
system in place to eliminate overpayments? Phoenix is a complete
disaster!
David Raymond Amos
@Michael Geraldson How many CRA employees have you talked to that would tell you their name?
Dale Sullivan
@Michael Geraldson
The overpayments are not related to Phoenix which was implemented in April 2016. Overpayments happened before that..
The overpayments are not related to Phoenix which was implemented in April 2016. Overpayments happened before that..
David Raymond Amos
@Dale Sullivan A lot a folks
don't seem to get that simple fact. Its strange to me that they would
rather just slam the liberals instead of the CRA. Methinks liberal spin
doctors should be concerned if the CRA is more popular than their
political party particularly in tax season while liberals are explaining
a big budget in the red, proposing carbon tax and arguing an omnibus
bill that their leader promised not to use N'esy Pas?
Ida Pomme
But when a working Canadian owes $20 in income tax, they will chase you and track you down and give you a fine.
David Raymond Amos
@Ida Pomme Perhaps folks should check my work in Federal Court
Jack Blackstone
@David Raymond Amos
Or maybe not
Or maybe not
Carol Becker
Or maybe not
Or maybe not
David Raymond Amos
@Jack Blackstone FYI The CRA
killed my SIN years ago and did not much care untill I had to fight
tooth and nail to get MY CPP. The CROWN has also stopped me from
renewing my drivers licence and even denied my getting a Health Care
card Now that the CROWN is trying to stop my receiving my old age
pension while they cover up their own fraud and incompetence? Methinks I
should sue the CROWN AGAIN ASAP.
Carol Becker
I thought the problem was
lack of training, then I read it is something eles. Now I read that the
people incharge got bonus payments for a job well done. Unbelievable.
David Raymond Amos
@Carol Becker It seems to me
that its just another case bureaucrats looking after bureaucrats with
the complete knowledge that their temporary political bosses will never
hold them accountable. No news there. However I must say that its kinda
comical that CBC broke this story during tax season though.
David Green
This article not just speaks
volumes of the people who are working in CRA, the article also tells the
character of those who retired from CRA. Why didn't they return those
cheques which clearly didn't belong to them?
David Raymond Amos
@David Green Have ever encountered anyone even remotely nice working with the CRA?
Always remember that Phoenix is just another one of Harper's many legacies to Canada.
Dwight Williams
@Neil Gregory
'There is NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between them.'
So you'd be just as happy having Harper back again?
LOL
For all the empty wind, I'm betting not.
'There is NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE between them.'
So you'd be just as happy having Harper back again?
LOL
For all the empty wind, I'm betting not.
David Raymond Amos
@Neil Gregory At least Harper
had a name and we could look up how much we were paying him. Who are
these sneaky CRA employees who did not deserve to be paid and why are
they not being prosecuted in Federal Court just like we are when we run
afoul of the CRA?
Neil Gregory
@Dwight Williams
"So you'd be just as happy having Harper back again? "
How did you reach that conclusion?
"So you'd be just as happy having Harper back again? "
How did you reach that conclusion?
David Raymond Amos
@Neil Gregory I was wondering about that statement as well.
Pierre Dupuis
@Harold Fitzgerald
BS
The old system had already been scrapped (before the Liberals had even taken office) for making place for the Phoenix system.
There was NO TURNING BACK.
Harper, the stink still remains...
BS
The old system had already been scrapped (before the Liberals had even taken office) for making place for the Phoenix system.
There was NO TURNING BACK.
Harper, the stink still remains...
David Raymond Amos
@Pierre Dupuis Methinks this story is about the corruption within the CRA not Harper's old mandate or Trudeau's for that matter
mo bennett
just more proof positive of
the complete and total incompetence inflicted on Canadians by the
government of this country! and it just doesn't matter which flavor they
are because they are all the same when it comes to useless!
David Raymond Amos
@mo bennett "just more proof
positive of the complete and total incompetence inflicted on Canadians
by the government of this country"
Oh so true and who better to prove for us in April than their greedy minions in the CRA?
Oh so true and who better to prove for us in April than their greedy minions in the CRA?
Robert Borden
$2.4 billion in payroll and
they let things like off shore accounts to go free. We are definitely
overpaying the CRA. Time for a complete overhaul.
David Raymond Amos
@Robert Borden That is the understatement of the year
Star Shepherd
Frank Jenkins
Dale Sullivan
Karen Dodds
Bob Loblaw
Mike Trout
Rob Winters
John Gaunt
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Anybody but me notice at least one comment thread missing already?
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos I stand corrected I found it
Star Shepherd
Well that is just a great big
bucket of cow patties! I bet those phantom employees never even had to
pay taxes on the free money that no doubt came out of hard working
Canadians pockets. The government are all a bunch of crooks!
David Raymond Amos
@Star Shepherd I smell a lot of fertilizer from the male gender of that animal as well
Frank Jenkins
The Liberals were told it was
not ready but again Trudeau being the Drama Teacher he is said put it
in , then blame it on Harper so we can waste Billions more in cover up's
you watch
@Frank Jenkins
The overpayments were before the Phoenix system in April 2016.
The overpayments were before the Phoenix system in April 2016.
David Raymond Amos
@Dale Sullivan I understood that as well
Karen Dodds
It is very interesting how
the CRA can track down working Canadians if a mistake is made on our
income, no matter how small the amount is but at the same time they
cannot find millions of dollars in offshore accounts even though they
are aware of them I.e KPMG. Now they cannot even administer a payroll
system correctly. Have we become a country where our government is so
unaccountable, it is easier to write off its mistakes than do the right
thing for taxpayers.
David Raymond Amos
@Karen Dodds Try Googling my name and KPMG sometime
This government is bleeding cash from every orifice.
David Raymond Amos
@Bob Loblaw Not really. From
my perspective it is the taxpayers who are bleeding from the beating the
government is serving upon them.
Mike Trout
Quickly now CBC, run some
stories about "Dear Leader" Justins socks or his latest vacation in the
sun as he is getting a bit of a (deserved) rough ride due to the
Liberals incompetence. No doubt G.Butts will be texting you
shortly..........along with a reminder about the $150,000,000 year bump
in funding.
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Trout Remember last year when the PCO got an extra 600 grand to promote his sunny ways in Facebook etc?
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/03/05/privy-council-office-wants-600000-more-to-update-trudeaus-website.html
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/03/05/privy-council-office-wants-600000-more-to-update-trudeaus-website.html
Rob Winters
Strange they have no problem finding the extra $3.00 I owe
David Raymond Amos
@Rob Winters That is strange. How much was the fine?
John Gaunt
The cra, like every other
government department, is infested with middle managers. A story about
their incompetency is not surprising.
What is surprising about this event is the low dollar figure.
$2 million seems really low.
What is surprising about this event is the low dollar figure.
$2 million seems really low.
David Raymond Amos
@John Gaunt Seems like a lot
of money to me particularly when considers how many beancounters work
for the CRA. Their bookkeeping should be perfect.
Lisa Eato
Why the government agencies always have payroll issues under the Liberal’s governing?
Why Trudeau and his Liberals always have some kind of connection with the fraudsters and bribers ?
The answer is ----- The new Liberals are same as the old corrupt Liberals.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/panel+hears+about+company+used+alleged+fraudster+sponsor+lunch/13301406/story.html
Why Trudeau and his Liberals always have some kind of connection with the fraudsters and bribers ?
The answer is ----- The new Liberals are same as the old corrupt Liberals.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/panel+hears+about+company+used+alleged+fraudster+sponsor+lunch/13301406/story.html
David Raymond Amos
@Lisa Eato Perhaps you should read this article again?
bill chagwich
Juan Perry
Fred Volkman
bill chagwich
being on the government pay
roll systems bring you benefits with being un employed, and we all
notice that the inept Trudeau liberals are now trying to push
legislation where the PM only has to attend one day a week and then the
MPs that want only 4 days or less work week, Canadian tax payer has
never won against a government and never will TAX TAX
Pete Shartin
@ron snell
the Bombardier thing looks to be just another liberal kickback scam , the one exec is also a board member on the trudeau foundation and now there is investigations into corruption with liberal MPs having their travel paid by the trudeau foundation the whole thing stinks to high heaven corruption very similar to adscam
adscam part deux
the Bombardier thing looks to be just another liberal kickback scam , the one exec is also a board member on the trudeau foundation and now there is investigations into corruption with liberal MPs having their travel paid by the trudeau foundation the whole thing stinks to high heaven corruption very similar to adscam
adscam part deux
David Raymond Amos
@Pete Shartin Anytime one
sees the word "Foundation" associated with a politician's name it should
be painfully obvious that nothing ethical is going on.
Juan Perry
Unfortunately it wasn't their money they 'wrote off'. It was ours. And on that note... Get It Back!
David Raymond Amos
@Juan Perry I agree
Fred Volkman
Horse hockey.
Anyone cashing a cheque or receiving e transfers for payroll and not returning it to a current or former employer is guilty of fraud.
Have the RCMP visit each and everyone of these people and suggest they have 60 days to return the money otherwise they will be charged with fraud.
Taxpayes should not be asked to "write off" any or all of $2 million issued in error but not earned,
Anyone cashing a cheque or receiving e transfers for payroll and not returning it to a current or former employer is guilty of fraud.
Have the RCMP visit each and everyone of these people and suggest they have 60 days to return the money otherwise they will be charged with fraud.
Taxpayes should not be asked to "write off" any or all of $2 million issued in error but not earned,
David Raymond Amos
@Fred Volkman I CRA can
simply suck it out of their bank accounts just like they do to the rest
of us. The RCMP are too fat dumb and happy being allowed to protest
without their yellow stripes to bother doing anything remotely ethical
on behalf of the taxpayers who pay their salaries and cover their
pension plans.
Canada Revenue Agency grapples with 'phantom' worker pay
CRA trying to collect $2M in paycheques mistakenly sent to former employees
By Dean Beeby, CBC News
Posted: Apr 16, 2017 5:00 AM ET
They're the thousands of Canadians who received paycheques from the Canada Revenue Agency, even though they're not actually on the payroll.
It's a $2-million headache for the agency, which is responding partly by writing off the erroneous payments and letting those phantom workers keep the cash.
The federal Treasury Board rapped the agency last year for the shoddy payroll practice, noting that about half of the erroneous payments had not been clawed back after more than a year.
"CRA is encouraged to actively pursue the collection of its accounts receivables and when the debts are deemed uncollectible, timely action should be taken for the writeoff, remission, forgiveness, or waiving of debts," says an April 2016 document obtained by CBC News under the Access to Information Act.
$40,752 in writeoffs
The agency last year wrote off $40,752 in salary overpayments, the highest level since 2011. That helped whittle down the overpayment inventory to about $1.9 million in 2015-16, from about $2.3 million the year before. (The 2016-17 overpayment inventory level will be reported next month.)"The CRA continues to administer long-term recovery methods to receive salary overpayments for inactive employees," the agency said in response to Treasury Board's criticism.
The federal government has come under fire in recent months for its wonky Phoenix payroll system, whose signature failure is the withholding of salaries from actual workers who earned their paycheques.
The CRA payroll problem is the mirror image — sending paycheques to non-workers — and is unrelated to the Phoenix boondoggle. The agency migrated part of its compensation system to Phoenix only in April 2016, and the overpayment problem pre-dates the changeover.
'The CRA recognizes the seriousness of this issue.' - Agency spokesperson Lise Newton
The agency was first confronted with its phantom worker issue in October 2008, when an internal audit found there was $3 million outstanding in these undeserved salary payments. The 2008 audit triggered a wave of writeoffs, some $234,000 worth of erroneous payments declared uncollectible over the next three years.
At the time, the agency had about 43,000 workers, a level that has been trimmed to about 40,000 today — that is, a smaller payroll with slightly fewer paycheques to go astray.
"The CRA recognizes the seriousness of this issue and is committed to improving the way it handles these cases," agency spokesperson Lise Newton said in an email, noting that the annual payroll is $2.4 billion and the missing money but a fraction of the total.
Automated system
"Salary overpayments … most often are the result of late notice of an employee going on leave without pay or leaving the CRA," she said."The CRA now has an automated system in place to reduce overpayments.… This has reduced the amount of overpayments over the past few years."
Newton said the CRA can collect amounts owing by ex-workers by withholding money from pension payments, severance payments, and even through tax-refund setoffs where the money is clawed back from any tax refunds owed to individuals.
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