David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks this was quite a telling thing N'esy Pas?
"Many also urged their colleagues not to speak to the media, warning that it could undermine the government."
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/02/wilson-raybould-tells-commons-she-wants.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5025885
Wilson-Raybould tells Commons she wants to 'speak my truth' on SNC-Lavalin, tells Liberals she's still on-side
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Norm Dixon
When did we start asking the accused if there needs to be an investigation?
Isn't that the definition of government corruption?
Isn't that the definition of government corruption?
Daryl McBride
@Norm Dixon Post of the day.
Richard Sharp
@Norm Dixon
Wow, another day, another thousand smears
Wow, another day, another thousand smears
Simon Kung
@Richard Sharp Yes, you're very good at them.
Jamie Gillis
@Norm Dixon
I look forward to seeing if Liberal MPs like Wayne Long support this NDP motion or not. For that matter, assuming she'll be there, I wonder how JWR will vote. A whipped vote on this would go directly against how Trudeau said he would run his party.
I look forward to seeing if Liberal MPs like Wayne Long support this NDP motion or not. For that matter, assuming she'll be there, I wonder how JWR will vote. A whipped vote on this would go directly against how Trudeau said he would run his party.
Ted Nesbitt
@Norm Dixon ....I'll have to
remember this tactic should I ever wind up in Court; "Trust me your
Honour, I did nothing wrong, you have to believe me".......I mean, if it
works for the PMO, it should work for all of us right?
Phil Mein
@Norm Dixon These are not the droids you're looking for, move along.
bill laplante
@Norm Dixon They are simply hiding the facts
Jacob Hobart
@Norm Dixon I'll use this line when CRA comes for my taxes...
William Weston
@Norm Dixon “Isn't that the definition of government corruption?”
And the greatest reason yet to vote out both old parties?
Why are we waiting for those benefiting from this system to change it? Why would they? That’s our job and this is an election year. What an opportunity to elect good local representation and skip the expensive party marketing and four more years of grumbling.
And the greatest reason yet to vote out both old parties?
Why are we waiting for those benefiting from this system to change it? Why would they? That’s our job and this is an election year. What an opportunity to elect good local representation and skip the expensive party marketing and four more years of grumbling.
Doug James
@Norm Dixon
All controversy could be stopped and the Liberal party vindicated if Raybould was allowed testify. Let's get some of that Trudeau promised government transparency going. After all the Liberals have nothing to hide.
All controversy could be stopped and the Liberal party vindicated if Raybould was allowed testify. Let's get some of that Trudeau promised government transparency going. After all the Liberals have nothing to hide.
Jack O Hill
@William Weston
"And the greatest reason yet to vote out both old parties? "
You make it sound like the Greens or NDP were viable alternatives. lol.
"And the greatest reason yet to vote out both old parties? "
You make it sound like the Greens or NDP were viable alternatives. lol.
Jamie Gillis
@Richard Sharp "Wow, another day, another thousand smears"
Speaking of smears, look at Trudeau admitting and finally apologizing for not immediately speaking out when members of his party were making anonymous smears about JWR, even though you've been insisting he has for days. Care to admit you were wrong too?
Speaking of smears, look at Trudeau admitting and finally apologizing for not immediately speaking out when members of his party were making anonymous smears about JWR, even though you've been insisting he has for days. Care to admit you were wrong too?
Lindsay Stephenson
@Richard Sharp Your blind
partisanship is why politicians can get away with what they do. It's
healthy to question and hold to account your leadership, especially when
they preach higher values, and fail to live up to them.
Richard Sharp
@Jamie Gillis
Trudeau immediately called out the personal attacks against JWR as “sexist and racist” last week. And many of not most of them predated her quitting Cabinet by the way.
Trudeau immediately called out the personal attacks against JWR as “sexist and racist” last week. And many of not most of them predated her quitting Cabinet by the way.
William Weston
@Jack O Hill
Nope.
Local independents - with no party affiliation - are the best way to have representation for constituents in parliament. They answer to no one but the riding. There is no interference at all. That would allow for better decisions, not quicker poor ones.
Nope.
Local independents - with no party affiliation - are the best way to have representation for constituents in parliament. They answer to no one but the riding. There is no interference at all. That would allow for better decisions, not quicker poor ones.
Sally Ride
@Richard Sharp Yes, of course Richard.
Jamie Gillis
@Richard Sharp "Trudeau immediately called out the personal attacks against JWR"
READ THE ARTICLE!
"I wasn't quick enough to condemn, in unequivocal terms, the comments and commentary and cartoons about her last week," he said. "They were absolutely unacceptable and I should have done it sooner."
READ THE ARTICLE!
"I wasn't quick enough to condemn, in unequivocal terms, the comments and commentary and cartoons about her last week," he said. "They were absolutely unacceptable and I should have done it sooner."
Richard Sharp
@Lindsay Stephenson
Trudeau and Butts have not been found to have committed a single wrongdoing in all this. Not a single one. And no other Liberal either. Who knows who the unsubstantiated, anonymous sources are but even they are limited a a single allegation, that JWR felt pressure to settle with SNC-Labelin. Not even improper pressure. Just pressure.
Trudeau and Butts have not been found to have committed a single wrongdoing in all this. Not a single one. And no other Liberal either. Who knows who the unsubstantiated, anonymous sources are but even they are limited a a single allegation, that JWR felt pressure to settle with SNC-Labelin. Not even improper pressure. Just pressure.
James Fitzgibbon
@Norm Dixon
Yawn. The same Tory supporters who defended similar actions by Harper now want blood.
Personally, I'll wait and see if this turns out to be anything at all.
Yawn. The same Tory supporters who defended similar actions by Harper now want blood.
Personally, I'll wait and see if this turns out to be anything at all.
Neil Turv
@Richard Sharp
Looking for your defense of the anonymous sources that have brought things to light against Trump, or Harper, or the Late Rob Ford or... well any number of scandals in the last 5 or 6 decades.
Anonymous sources are a cornerstone of a healthy journalistic society, you don't get to condemn them only when it is against someone you personally support.
Either defend all those who's scandals have been brought to light by anonymous sources or give it up.
Looking for your defense of the anonymous sources that have brought things to light against Trump, or Harper, or the Late Rob Ford or... well any number of scandals in the last 5 or 6 decades.
Anonymous sources are a cornerstone of a healthy journalistic society, you don't get to condemn them only when it is against someone you personally support.
Either defend all those who's scandals have been brought to light by anonymous sources or give it up.
Stephen David
@Richard Sharp
Yes that is why Butts resigned....he did nothing wrong. ...lol. good lord.
Yes that is why Butts resigned....he did nothing wrong. ...lol. good lord.
Jennie Adkins
@Norm Dixon
Since when in a country of law and order. Of innocent until there is even real evidence to begin thinking about the "accused " and such, did politicians go on and on and on and on and on . . . endlessly asking questions, endlessly using baseless innuendo about much ado about basically NOTHING ?
This is just a baseless smear campaign.
Since when in a country of law and order. Of innocent until there is even real evidence to begin thinking about the "accused " and such, did politicians go on and on and on and on and on . . . endlessly asking questions, endlessly using baseless innuendo about much ado about basically NOTHING ?
This is just a baseless smear campaign.
Jennie Adkins
@Neil Turv
Depends on the extent and relevancy of the "source". And the overall set of FACTS, or lack thereof. Trump? Facts are BIGLY. Damning.
This Canadian case? Much ado about essentially nothing. A made up "crime". From made up from endless innuendo and speculation.
Depends on the extent and relevancy of the "source". And the overall set of FACTS, or lack thereof. Trump? Facts are BIGLY. Damning.
This Canadian case? Much ado about essentially nothing. A made up "crime". From made up from endless innuendo and speculation.
Neil Turv
@Jennie Adkins
What I read from that statement is "When it's against people I don't support it is ok, when it is against people I do support it is a Right wing driven conspiracy/smear campaign."
Like most cases where an anonymous source starts something, facts will come after, without journalism there would be no investigation into any perceived wrongdoing.
I'm not trying to be mean, and I am not stating Trudeau is guilty, I'm saying that the unwavering defense and attempt to portray this as a partisan and unique scenario by some is laughable. This is proceeding exactly the same as any other case of alleged corruption or ethics conflicts that I can think of.
If there was no anonymous source, the questions may never have been asked, that is why the NDP and the Cons want an independent investigation to see if there is truth.
As I said to Richard, until you defend all instances of the media protecting their sources I view your outrage as hyper partisan drivel, and frankly, a very trumpy way to act, how many times has he criticized others for acts he himself has been caught doing?
What I read from that statement is "When it's against people I don't support it is ok, when it is against people I do support it is a Right wing driven conspiracy/smear campaign."
Like most cases where an anonymous source starts something, facts will come after, without journalism there would be no investigation into any perceived wrongdoing.
I'm not trying to be mean, and I am not stating Trudeau is guilty, I'm saying that the unwavering defense and attempt to portray this as a partisan and unique scenario by some is laughable. This is proceeding exactly the same as any other case of alleged corruption or ethics conflicts that I can think of.
If there was no anonymous source, the questions may never have been asked, that is why the NDP and the Cons want an independent investigation to see if there is truth.
As I said to Richard, until you defend all instances of the media protecting their sources I view your outrage as hyper partisan drivel, and frankly, a very trumpy way to act, how many times has he criticized others for acts he himself has been caught doing?
Jamie Gillis
@Jennie Adkins
Um, no Jennie. The sources cited by the Globe didn't provide innuendo. They were quite clear. Is it possible that three reputable journalists from a reputable newspaper could have risked their reputations/careers over less than credible sources? I suppose. But does that seem likely, especially when the claims made fit perfectly with everything we do know at this point? Probably not.
Um, no Jennie. The sources cited by the Globe didn't provide innuendo. They were quite clear. Is it possible that three reputable journalists from a reputable newspaper could have risked their reputations/careers over less than credible sources? I suppose. But does that seem likely, especially when the claims made fit perfectly with everything we do know at this point? Probably not.
Gordon Kent
@Lindsay Stephenson Well
said. Some people need to be reminded that Canada will not cease to
exist if our favourite party is not in power.
Gordon Kent
@Gordon Kent their favourite party
Ron Brady
@Richard Sharp That's because the liberals are stonewalling.
Lawrence Vickers
@Richard Sharp then why did he quit Richard. Too scared to man up and answer questions truthfully under oath!
Richard Sharp
@Lawrence Vickers
Butts showed Canada what honour is all about, resigning so as not to be a distraction to the Lib government. He has been the subject of a constant smear campaign from the Cons for over five years. No wrongdoing had been found in all of that time. His innocence will again be proven in due course, but it will NEVER stop the Con smear machine. It’s the only thing they know.
Butts showed Canada what honour is all about, resigning so as not to be a distraction to the Lib government. He has been the subject of a constant smear campaign from the Cons for over five years. No wrongdoing had been found in all of that time. His innocence will again be proven in due course, but it will NEVER stop the Con smear machine. It’s the only thing they know.
Richard Sharp
@Neil Turv
If you haven’t noticed, Trudeau, Butts and company have been found guilty in the media and on this site of lying, obstruction of justice, covering, throwing JWR under the bus, changing their stories, etc., ALL ON THE BASIS OF ANONYMOUS AND UNSUBSTANTIATED THIRD PARTY SOURCES. No presumption of innocence, no due process. No offence but, to me, false equivalents are simple minded.
If you haven’t noticed, Trudeau, Butts and company have been found guilty in the media and on this site of lying, obstruction of justice, covering, throwing JWR under the bus, changing their stories, etc., ALL ON THE BASIS OF ANONYMOUS AND UNSUBSTANTIATED THIRD PARTY SOURCES. No presumption of innocence, no due process. No offence but, to me, false equivalents are simple minded.
Murray Joah
@Richard Sharp
I believe the incompetent remarks came from her own party, starting the day this all broke out!!!
I believe the incompetent remarks came from her own party, starting the day this all broke out!!!
Darren MacDonald
@Jamie Gillis "Is it possible
that three reputable journalists from a reputable newspaper could have
risked their reputations/careers over less than credible sources?"
If it was false, I'm sure lawyers would have been all over this.
If it was false, I'm sure lawyers would have been all over this.
Richard Sharp
@Murray Joah
Name one. Trudeau has spoken truthfully about telling JWR in September it was her decision to make and she confirmed with him just a week ago that was the case. Butts has denied any wrongdoing by himself or the PMO. These statements have not been disproven so what’s with the two weeks of smears?
Name one. Trudeau has spoken truthfully about telling JWR in September it was her decision to make and she confirmed with him just a week ago that was the case. Butts has denied any wrongdoing by himself or the PMO. These statements have not been disproven so what’s with the two weeks of smears?
Richard Sharp
@Chris Harris
I am totally unconnected with the Liberal party, Zero communications of any sort, except for its requests for contributions,
I am totally unconnected with the Liberal party, Zero communications of any sort, except for its requests for contributions,
Jamie Gillis
@Richard Sharp "I am totally
unconnected with the Liberal party, Zero communications of any sort,
except for its requests for contributions"
I recall you stating on here that you travelled to Halifax to participate in the policy convention. "On business" you referred to it as. You talk about your interactions with Trudeau at Liberal get togethers. I'd call that connected.
I recall you stating on here that you travelled to Halifax to participate in the policy convention. "On business" you referred to it as. You talk about your interactions with Trudeau at Liberal get togethers. I'd call that connected.
Carson Brook
@Richard Sharp
no doubt - but you know this story is not about truth, facts, evidence. law, or ethics - just read the most easily posted comments - and listen to a bit of the primetime news - fabrication, smear, fomenting over imagination - in a perfect world the identity of the single secret allegation maker will be revealed.... that may be more interesting at this point than the minutiae of Ms Wilson-Raybould's discussions with anyone other than that one person - and therein may lie an even more interesting discussion about confidentiality and rules for Attorneys General
no doubt - but you know this story is not about truth, facts, evidence. law, or ethics - just read the most easily posted comments - and listen to a bit of the primetime news - fabrication, smear, fomenting over imagination - in a perfect world the identity of the single secret allegation maker will be revealed.... that may be more interesting at this point than the minutiae of Ms Wilson-Raybould's discussions with anyone other than that one person - and therein may lie an even more interesting discussion about confidentiality and rules for Attorneys General
Jamie Gillis
@Darren MacDonald "If it was false, I'm sure lawyers would have been all over this."
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
Frank Goodwood
@Norm Dixon - You nailed it. Corruption disguised as enlightenment.
Troy Mann
@Carson Brook
If this was during the Harper era the media and conservatives would only be talking about the illegal leaking of confidential information. There would be a RCMP investigation into who the illegal leaker of confidentiality information was. A court challenge against the reporter who knows who the illegal leaker of confidentiality information was.
If conservatives actually governed like they preach in opposition they would have some credibility
If this was during the Harper era the media and conservatives would only be talking about the illegal leaking of confidential information. There would be a RCMP investigation into who the illegal leaker of confidentiality information was. A court challenge against the reporter who knows who the illegal leaker of confidentiality information was.
If conservatives actually governed like they preach in opposition they would have some credibility
.
Chris Harris
@Richard Sharp
You are a tireless defender of the Liberals. Certainly not an easy job.
You are a tireless defender of the Liberals. Certainly not an easy job.
Chris Harris
@Troy Mann
HaHa, yes, exactly like what is happening with the Mark Norman case!
HaHa, yes, exactly like what is happening with the Mark Norman case!
Chris Harris
@Richard Sharp
"I am totally unconnected with the Liberal party, Zero communications of any sort, except for its requests for contributions,"
They don't need to ask for contributions anymore. They are putting an additional mandatory tax on driving your car and heating your home.
"I am totally unconnected with the Liberal party, Zero communications of any sort, except for its requests for contributions,"
They don't need to ask for contributions anymore. They are putting an additional mandatory tax on driving your car and heating your home.
Richard Sharp
@Norm Dixon
Trudeau is more honest, respectful, personable, smart and CARING than Harper or Scheer by ten country miles.
Trudeau is more honest, respectful, personable, smart and CARING than Harper or Scheer by ten country miles.
mo bennett
@Norm Dixon as soon as a politician was involved.
Charly Vaughan
@Norm Dixon when will SNC L just shut down like GM and give their share of the 407 to sunny ways for political theatre
David Amos
@mo bennett YO MO Methinks this was was quite a telling thing N'esy Pas?
"Many also urged their colleagues not to speak to the media, warning that it could undermine the government."
"Many also urged their colleagues not to speak to the media, warning that it could undermine the government."
Al Marsden
This story gets funnier by the day.
The Trudeau gang is circling the drain.
The Trudeau gang is circling the drain.
Sam Uekel
@david mccaig
That's quite a story you've got there Dave.
That's quite a story you've got there Dave.
Troy Mann
@Sam Uekel
Prove him wrong
Prove him wrong
Richard Sharp
@Al Marsden
No proof of wrongdoing by anyone to this day. No evidence other than unsubstantiated, anonymous sources about what JWR felt, I.e. even that is hearsay.
The scandal here is that the opposition parties are getting away with this witch hunt and the corporate media are their megaphone.
No proof of wrongdoing by anyone to this day. No evidence other than unsubstantiated, anonymous sources about what JWR felt, I.e. even that is hearsay.
The scandal here is that the opposition parties are getting away with this witch hunt and the corporate media are their megaphone.
Darren MacDonald
@Al Marsden Which story, it's up to six versions.
Jennie Adkins
@Richard Sharp
"Corporate media" as allowed for and sold out by Harper to US right wing hedge fund interest. Who just happens to be the same hedge fund that has ownership in the National Enquirer.
That US hedge fund has "asset: stripped Canada's journalism. Our dailies and Sun newspapers.
So our "journalism" seems rather yellow these days. Made up of politicians (and their talking heads) asking questions endlessly. Innuendo and such. Shame.
"Corporate media" as allowed for and sold out by Harper to US right wing hedge fund interest. Who just happens to be the same hedge fund that has ownership in the National Enquirer.
That US hedge fund has "asset: stripped Canada's journalism. Our dailies and Sun newspapers.
So our "journalism" seems rather yellow these days. Made up of politicians (and their talking heads) asking questions endlessly. Innuendo and such. Shame.
Darren MacDonald
@david mccaig Everybody that disagrees with the Libs are called certain names and are paid, lol
Gary Parks
@Richard Sharp
You didnt seem to mind the media chasing Duffy around during an election year did you.?
You didnt seem to mind the media chasing Duffy around during an election year did you.?
Richard Sharp
@Jennie Adkins
Yep. Conrad Black was a big player in turning our big city and community newspapers into one big right wing megaphone. 49 of the top English nezwspapers endorses Harper in 2011, and almost as many in 2015, pnmy that time they were so desperate, they endorsed him on their FRONT PAGE. For newspapers, editorial freedom was destroyed a long time ago
Yep. Conrad Black was a big player in turning our big city and community newspapers into one big right wing megaphone. 49 of the top English nezwspapers endorses Harper in 2011, and almost as many in 2015, pnmy that time they were so desperate, they endorsed him on their FRONT PAGE. For newspapers, editorial freedom was destroyed a long time ago
Carson Brook
@Richard Sharp
not sure that editorial freedom was destroyed as much as individual integrity of political media gave way to partisan politics over accuracy. In Canada. Where we have nothing like PBS, Washington Post, BBC, New York Times - where accuracy, and depth matter. Not here anymore -
not sure that editorial freedom was destroyed as much as individual integrity of political media gave way to partisan politics over accuracy. In Canada. Where we have nothing like PBS, Washington Post, BBC, New York Times - where accuracy, and depth matter. Not here anymore -
Darren MacDonald
@Carson Brook I believe Bob Fife.
Brian Waite
@Darren MacDonald Bob Fife
carried the media's water for CSIS and RCMP "evidence" against three
innocent Canadians who were renditioned and tortured, finally proven
innocent and received about $10 million each in compensation.
Carson Brook
@Darren MacDonald wrote "@Carson Brook I believe Bob Fife."
wow - close to home now we know in our own backyard how the flow of social media works so well for Donald Trump
Bob Fife has not one bit of information or fact, has one anonymous 'source' [pleasegod it's no one close to JWR because that might be a criminal offence, eh - the rules of office etc] and there's still been not one single fact - all smear and slander. But look: believers.
wow - close to home now we know in our own backyard how the flow of social media works so well for Donald Trump
Bob Fife has not one bit of information or fact, has one anonymous 'source' [pleasegod it's no one close to JWR because that might be a criminal offence, eh - the rules of office etc] and there's still been not one single fact - all smear and slander. But look: believers.
Sam Uekel
@Troy Mann
I'm just going to let you sit and think about that for awhile
I'm just going to let you sit and think about that for awhile
Troy Mann
@Sam Uekel
Because you have zero proof you out the onus on me
Because you have zero proof you out the onus on me
David Amos
@Al Marsden Welcome to the Circus
Richard Dekkar
JWR remains gagged.
Trudeau's Justice Committee has handpicked witnesses who have nothing to do with his scandal.
And now no inquiry. This is NOT going away.
Trudeau's Justice Committee has handpicked witnesses who have nothing to do with his scandal.
And now no inquiry. This is NOT going away.
david mccaig
@Richard Dekkar
I agree Trudeau should appoint a Deputy Prime Minister until these accusations have thoroughly investigated.
I agree Trudeau should appoint a Deputy Prime Minister until these accusations have thoroughly investigated.
Troy Mann
@david mccaig
Should we set a precedent for all future PM's to step down based on anonymous source?
Should we set a precedent for all future PM's to step down based on anonymous source?
Phil K'Mee
@david mccaig
I just fell out of my chair.
I just fell out of my chair.
Richard Sharp
@Richard Dekkar
Smear. The AG and the ex-AG are on the list. So is the most senior bureaucrat in the land, the Vlerk of the Privacy Council.
Smear. The AG and the ex-AG are on the list. So is the most senior bureaucrat in the land, the Vlerk of the Privacy Council.
Phil K'Mee
@Troy Mann
Wow, where were you when Patrick Brown needed you.
Wow, where were you when Patrick Brown needed you.
Richard Sharp
Clerk of the Privy Council. I hate auto correct.
Darren MacDonald
@Richard Dekkar The political pundits on TV are having fun with the Justice Committee.
Darren MacDonald
@Troy Mann No, just let people involved in this matter talk at committee.
Troy Mann
@Phil K'Mee " where were you when Patrick Brown needed you."
Though I am from Alberta I do travel a fair bit around Canada and to the great province of Ontario (They are all great imho). I did support Brown in knowing who the accuser was before he was kicked out. I do believe he was found innocent in the end and is now a mayor??
I dont follow Ontario politics too closely
Though I am from Alberta I do travel a fair bit around Canada and to the great province of Ontario (They are all great imho). I did support Brown in knowing who the accuser was before he was kicked out. I do believe he was found innocent in the end and is now a mayor??
I dont follow Ontario politics too closely
Troy Mann
@Darren MacDonald " No, just let people involved in this matter talk at committee"
Make a case for all the people being requested to speak.
Current Attorney General is testifying
Former Attorney General is testifying
Was Trudeau asked and if does is set a precedent for future PM'S to testify?
Reality is the useful information will come from JWR. If she says the anonymous source is faulty and she never was pressured then pretty much end of story. No?
If she claims Butts did something illegal then she should have made that claim then to the RCMP.
All this is based on is the Prime Minister putting pressure on to the Minister of justice to make a decision the government desired. That all being based on an anonymous source but no one has brought information of anything else, not even hearsay evidence forward of another crime, if we are to believe pressuring your own Minister of justice is a crime, not even considering she made her decision which went against the governments desire.
Make a case for all the people being requested to speak.
Current Attorney General is testifying
Former Attorney General is testifying
Was Trudeau asked and if does is set a precedent for future PM'S to testify?
Reality is the useful information will come from JWR. If she says the anonymous source is faulty and she never was pressured then pretty much end of story. No?
If she claims Butts did something illegal then she should have made that claim then to the RCMP.
All this is based on is the Prime Minister putting pressure on to the Minister of justice to make a decision the government desired. That all being based on an anonymous source but no one has brought information of anything else, not even hearsay evidence forward of another crime, if we are to believe pressuring your own Minister of justice is a crime, not even considering she made her decision which went against the governments desire.
David Amos
@Richard Sharp "Smear. The AG
and the ex-AG are on the list. So is the most senior bureaucrat in the
land, the Vlerk of the Privacy Council."
Methinks you and Mr Butts know why I have been chasing the lawyer Paul Shuttle and his bosses within the PCO since 2003 N'esyPas?
Methinks you and Mr Butts know why I have been chasing the lawyer Paul Shuttle and his bosses within the PCO since 2003 N'esyPas?
Pete Lindsay
How anyone could vote Liberal
under Trudeau now is beyond comprehension. The Cabinet and elected MP's
need to do a rethink of their leadership
Dan Chanos
@Pete Lindsay
But putting my trust in someone like Scheer is not the answer
But putting my trust in someone like Scheer is not the answer
sam cooper
@Pete Lindsay ABC
jim miller
@Pete Lindsay I understand how.
All governments we've ever had are ethically challenged.
If you base your vote on ethics they are all equals.
All governments we've ever had are ethically challenged.
If you base your vote on ethics they are all equals.
Chance Johnstone
@Dan Chanos
Please explain how someone like JT who grew up in a bubble understands the average Canadian better than someone like A.S. who is an average Canadian.
Please explain how someone like JT who grew up in a bubble understands the average Canadian better than someone like A.S. who is an average Canadian.
Tim Joseph
@Pete Lindsay Ha U R funny. 'beyond comprehension' a weak statement that weak Andy would use.
James Holden
@Pete Lindsay
Where's any evidence
Con Hypocrisy
Where's any evidence
Con Hypocrisy
Peter Williams
@Pete Lindsay
They'll likely elect a new leader, which could level set things - not saying it should, just likely what they'll do. I'm thinking similar to the McGuinty - Wynne flip which led them to re-election.
They'll likely elect a new leader, which could level set things - not saying it should, just likely what they'll do. I'm thinking similar to the McGuinty - Wynne flip which led them to re-election.
James Fitzgibbon
@Pete Lindsay
I would have zero problem voting Liberal. There is only one critical, existential issue facing humankind today: what are we going to do about climate change. The Liberals have a plan. It could be better. So what does the opposition offer?
Nothing.
Liberals it is.
I would have zero problem voting Liberal. There is only one critical, existential issue facing humankind today: what are we going to do about climate change. The Liberals have a plan. It could be better. So what does the opposition offer?
Nothing.
Liberals it is.
Jaime Gonzalez
@James Fitzgibbon
There is no 'plan' if they can't sell it to the citizens, which they haven't. Furthermore, the plan won't achieve it's objective. It can't. The way to do this is with cheaper, cleaner energy, not subsidized. Market forces are most powerful. That's how change will happen.
There is no 'plan' if they can't sell it to the citizens, which they haven't. Furthermore, the plan won't achieve it's objective. It can't. The way to do this is with cheaper, cleaner energy, not subsidized. Market forces are most powerful. That's how change will happen.
Jack O Hill
@James Fitzgibbon
"what are we going to do about climate change. The Liberals have a plan. It could be better. "
Really?
The have a plan that actually addresses the issue? Which plan is that? The carbon tax that will top out at 10% of what economists say would actually be required to motivate change? Where the total carbon tax will be less than half of the other taxes already in place, which did NOTHING to reduce consumption? The one where the proceeds are used to transfer wealth, rather than to drive change?
It would be hard to come up with a WORSE one.
"what are we going to do about climate change. The Liberals have a plan. It could be better. "
Really?
The have a plan that actually addresses the issue? Which plan is that? The carbon tax that will top out at 10% of what economists say would actually be required to motivate change? Where the total carbon tax will be less than half of the other taxes already in place, which did NOTHING to reduce consumption? The one where the proceeds are used to transfer wealth, rather than to drive change?
It would be hard to come up with a WORSE one.
Bort Smith
@Pete Lindsay
They should force his resignation.
They should force his resignation.
Troy Mann
@Pete Lindsay
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say exactly that it change Liberal to Conservative and Trudeau to Harper and yet still see conservatives support Harper I'd be more concerned with politics in the Bahamas from my chalet...
If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone say exactly that it change Liberal to Conservative and Trudeau to Harper and yet still see conservatives support Harper I'd be more concerned with politics in the Bahamas from my chalet...
mo bennett
@Pete Lindsay how anyone could vote for the ambulance chaser( aka steve ll) is beyond comprehension. vote green, sleep at night.
David Amos
@Troy Mann "If I had a dollar
for everytime I heard someone say exactly that it change Liberal to
Conservative and Trudeau to Harper and yet still see conservatives
support Harper I'd be more concerned with politics in the Bahamas from
my chalet"
Methinks you should review all my replies to you because as an Independent who has run for public office 6 times thus far while all the wealthy dudes in New Brunswick laughed at me I just may get the last laugh during the election of the 43rd Parliament N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should review all my replies to you because as an Independent who has run for public office 6 times thus far while all the wealthy dudes in New Brunswick laughed at me I just may get the last laugh during the election of the 43rd Parliament N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@mo bennett "how anyone could
vote for the ambulance chaser( aka steve ll) is beyond comprehension.
vote green, sleep at night."
YO MO Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?
YO MO Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?
Tish Lapierre
It didn't look good for JWR
to have a private closed door meeting with cabinet yesterday. Then she
emerges and they put her on the list of witnesses on the committee
investigating SNC-L issue.
From an outside perspective, it looks like the fix is in, and we aren't ever going to hear the truth.
Liberals always protect the party above all else.
From an outside perspective, it looks like the fix is in, and we aren't ever going to hear the truth.
Liberals always protect the party above all else.
Rick Guthrie
@Tish Lapierre
It's the Liberals. Of course the fix is in. I completely agree with you.
It's the Liberals. Of course the fix is in. I completely agree with you.
James Holden
@Tish Lapierre
Cabinet always meet behind closed doors.
Cabinet always meet behind closed doors.
Tish Lapierre
@James Holden
she's not a part of cabinet anymore, she resigned.
she's not a part of cabinet anymore, she resigned.
Carol Becker
@James Holden, Not with a person that is no longer in the cabinet. I was a life long Liberal supporter but no longer.
Troy Mann
@Tish Lapierre " we aren't ever going to hear the truth"
No evidence of wrong doing
All this is based on an anonymous source
Conservatives have been crying since day one "the fix is in" because they know nothing was done wrong so they create an illusion of corruption so no matter the outcome they are right...
Sheers slogan for 2019 is guilty till proven innocent and you dont get to know your accuser as they remain anonymous
No evidence of wrong doing
All this is based on an anonymous source
Conservatives have been crying since day one "the fix is in" because they know nothing was done wrong so they create an illusion of corruption so no matter the outcome they are right...
Sheers slogan for 2019 is guilty till proven innocent and you dont get to know your accuser as they remain anonymous
Phil Mein
@Troy Mann Hey everybody ,
it seems Troy has inside info and assures us there is nothing more to
this story , we can all go home now. Thanks Troy!
Neil Turv
@Phil Mein
Also, even though this story is about an NDP motion to investigate, according to Troy it's only Conservatives who are asking questions.
Also, even though this story is about an NDP motion to investigate, according to Troy it's only Conservatives who are asking questions.
William Weston
@Tish Lapierre
Parties always protect the party above all else. Independents don't have such luxury, they have to answer to the constituents every time on every question or find more suitable employment. They have no party to hide behind.
Parties always protect the party above all else. Independents don't have such luxury, they have to answer to the constituents every time on every question or find more suitable employment. They have no party to hide behind.
Peter Boone
@Richard Sharp So you can put
an asterix swear in and it gets to stand. The last time I did that I
was banned for several days. Are you part of the CBC or PMO staff?
Keith Laughton
@Richard Sharp
Can you please explain your comment about fighter jets.
After all, Mr Trudeau has comprehensively broken his 2015 promise on the subject.
First Mr Trudeau said Canada will not buy the F-35 but we are still paying millions towards the project.
Next, he said Canada will open an immediate competition. In fact, he has delayed it for five years as his government attempts various sole source procurements for an interim fleet.
By the way, I am sure that you know that the Capability Gap requiring the interim purchase was not a product of military advice. As well the Auditor General found that the Department advised that the Superhornet idea would create an actual gap.
Good thing for Mr Trudeau that Boeing threatened the Bombardier corporate bonuses allowing him to buy 35 year-old planes, which are being replaced by F-35s, instead.
As an aside you periodically deflect from Mr Trudeau's proven ethical lapses (according to the Ethics Commissioner) by mentioning the political theatre of Contempt of Parliament.
Why do you think that the Liberal Party in no longer interested in providing the costs of jets (and other projects) to Parliament - the basis for the Contempt vote?
Regards,
Can you please explain your comment about fighter jets.
After all, Mr Trudeau has comprehensively broken his 2015 promise on the subject.
First Mr Trudeau said Canada will not buy the F-35 but we are still paying millions towards the project.
Next, he said Canada will open an immediate competition. In fact, he has delayed it for five years as his government attempts various sole source procurements for an interim fleet.
By the way, I am sure that you know that the Capability Gap requiring the interim purchase was not a product of military advice. As well the Auditor General found that the Department advised that the Superhornet idea would create an actual gap.
Good thing for Mr Trudeau that Boeing threatened the Bombardier corporate bonuses allowing him to buy 35 year-old planes, which are being replaced by F-35s, instead.
As an aside you periodically deflect from Mr Trudeau's proven ethical lapses (according to the Ethics Commissioner) by mentioning the political theatre of Contempt of Parliament.
Why do you think that the Liberal Party in no longer interested in providing the costs of jets (and other projects) to Parliament - the basis for the Contempt vote?
Regards,
John Atkins
@Carol Becker Your posts suggest otherwise.
Derek Golota
@Tish Lapierre ... JWR is a lawyer by trade, she knows what she's doing.
Troy Mann
@Neil Turv
The NDP are irrelevant
No evidence of wrong doing and all based on an anonymous source.
Two factual statements
The NDP are irrelevant
No evidence of wrong doing and all based on an anonymous source.
Two factual statements
Troy Mann
@Keith Laughton "First Mr Trudeau said Canada will not buy the F-35 but we are still paying millions towards the project. "
I believe what Trudeau was saying that the government would not honour the no bid contract Harper was signing up for and there would be an open bid with all costs with in to allow competition to bring down the costs. What jets we buy will be up to the experts and with in our budget rather than what looks cool for a photo op in a fake plane.
I believe what Trudeau was saying that the government would not honour the no bid contract Harper was signing up for and there would be an open bid with all costs with in to allow competition to bring down the costs. What jets we buy will be up to the experts and with in our budget rather than what looks cool for a photo op in a fake plane.
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David Amos
@Keith Laughton "@Richard Sharp Can you please explain your comment about fighter jets."
Methinks you must have scared him off N'esy Pas?
Methinks you must have scared him off N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Keith Laughton Good luck getting an answer
David Amos
@Derek Golota JWR is a lawyer by trade, she knows what she's doing."
YUP Methinks a lot of folks would enjoy Googling her name and mine about now N'esy Pas?
YUP Methinks a lot of folks would enjoy Googling her name and mine about now N'esy Pas?
Richard Smith
Conservative, NDP: Sometimes they make mistakes.
Green, Bloc, Bernier's People's Party: They'd make mistakes too if elected in larger numbers.
Liberal: ALWAYS the scandal and corruption party, much more than the others. Why?
Green, Bloc, Bernier's People's Party: They'd make mistakes too if elected in larger numbers.
Liberal: ALWAYS the scandal and corruption party, much more than the others. Why?
Mark Sobkow
@Richard Smith Because they pander to their base in Quebec above all other things.
david mccaig
@Mark Sobkow
Baloney
Baloney
John Chow
@david mccaig
Smoked brisket.
Smoked brisket.
James Holden
@Richard Smith
Conservatives are unmatched in their level of corruption.
It's not even close.
Conservatives are unmatched in their level of corruption.
It's not even close.
Cameron Kernick
@James Holden Ummm no, the
Liberals are demonstratively the kings mostly because of their Quebec
base of support. It's not even close when you look at actual evidence.
Munroe Kelly
@Richard Smith
Why? Tradition mostly.
Why? Tradition mostly.
William Weston
@Richard Smith
Because they are in power more often and therefore get caught more often.
Parties focus the power of parliament on just a couple of politicians, that's a lot of power and power corrupts.
338 independent MPs would disperse power out to the ridings, where the politicians would have to answer directly to the electorate. Corrupting that lot would be like herding cats. By electing the best choice from the riding they could work together to solve problems, not create and hide them.
Because they are in power more often and therefore get caught more often.
Parties focus the power of parliament on just a couple of politicians, that's a lot of power and power corrupts.
338 independent MPs would disperse power out to the ridings, where the politicians would have to answer directly to the electorate. Corrupting that lot would be like herding cats. By electing the best choice from the riding they could work together to solve problems, not create and hide them.
James Fitzgibbon
@Richard Smith
I don't see any evidence the Liberals are any worse than the others. They get into power more often, though. Certainly the actions of Harper were extremely similar to Trudeau's when it comes to these sorts of cover ups.
I don't see any evidence the Liberals are any worse than the others. They get into power more often, though. Certainly the actions of Harper were extremely similar to Trudeau's when it comes to these sorts of cover ups.
Derek Golota
@Richard Smith ..lol, I don't
know. I've seen NDP in BC fail so many times that I've lost count. Now
at Fed level we have Jag from Toronto running out of....Burnaby BC
because he's a leader with no seat and Burnaby is almost "sure bet"
....just poor leadership at all levels.
Troy Mann
@Richard Smith "Conservative, NDP: Sometimes they make mistakes"
The funniest statement I've ever read.
Seriously you should write for SNL
The funniest statement I've ever read.
Seriously you should write for SNL
Robyn Fisher
@Richard Smith
It's just who they are...
It's just who they are...
.
David Amos
@Richard Smith Methinks after
suing the Crown as well as running as a Independent against all the
political parties 6 times thus far I have every right to not believe in
the Integrity of any of them N'esy Pas?
Go Figure why these articles would upset any politician if they were in my boots
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/programs/informationmorningsaintjohn/rob-moore-fundy-royal-conservative-1.3243345
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Richard Dekkar
Yesterday's Leger poll has Trudeau's personal popularity at a record low 26% - and falling further.
Frank Goodwood
@Richard Dekkar - Worst PM ever.
Jack O Hill
@Frank Goodwood
"Worst PM ever."
Still a toss-up between him and his father
"Worst PM ever."
Still a toss-up between him and his father
John Chow
@Richard Dekkar
Regardless of how much information emerges, the damage to 'brand Trudeau' has been done.
Regardless of how much information emerges, the damage to 'brand Trudeau' has been done.
Derek Golota
@Richard Dekkar ..CBC needs
to make some nice graph and compare JT to Bitcoin slide, a lot of
movement correlation and no end in sight.
Michael West
@Frank Goodwood
"Worst PM ever."
I say it's a steeplechase right now between JT and Brian Mulroney at this point.
"Worst PM ever."
I say it's a steeplechase right now between JT and Brian Mulroney at this point.
Troy Mann
@Michael West
Harper by far based on economy and job growth
Important things to some
Harper by far based on economy and job growth
Important things to some
David Amos
@Richard Dekkar Methinks that revelation made a lot of folks Happy Happy Happy N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Michael West "I say it's a steeplechase right now between JT and Brian Mulroney at this point."
Sir John A MacDonald is the champ
Sir John A MacDonald is the champ
Evan Mulligan
And the Federal Libs still have the unmitigated gall to have this on their opening web page:
"Openness. Transparency. Fairness.
Making government work for Canadians."
Oh, really?
"Openness. Transparency. Fairness.
Making government work for Canadians."
Oh, really?
jim miller
@Evan Mulligan can comments be made on that page?
Evan Mulligan
@jim miller
Not that I'm aware of.
If you have a beef, send it in writing to your MP. Don't use email; they get thousands of emails per day. Use pen and paper (or printer) and spell our your concerns clearly, concisely, without ideology or hyperbole. Don't insult or call people names. That will just get your letter discarded.
You don't even need a stamp.
Not that I'm aware of.
If you have a beef, send it in writing to your MP. Don't use email; they get thousands of emails per day. Use pen and paper (or printer) and spell our your concerns clearly, concisely, without ideology or hyperbole. Don't insult or call people names. That will just get your letter discarded.
You don't even need a stamp.
James Fitzgibbon
@Evan Mulligan
Ya, the Tories said much the same thing when Harper was elected. How'd that work out again?
Ya, the Tories said much the same thing when Harper was elected. How'd that work out again?
Gary Parks
@James Fitzgibbon
Who's the acting government again?
Who's the acting government again?
Troy Mann
@Gary Parks
A government that is vastly more transparent, open and fair that the previous one
A government that is vastly more transparent, open and fair that the previous one
David Amos
@Troy Mann Methinks that is not saying much but it is a typical reply that would be brought forth by a strawman N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Evan Mulligan Methinks the self-described "Natural Ruling Party Of Canada" are pretty funny sometimes N'esy Pas?
Hugh MacDonald
Citizens in some countries use weapons and violence to overthrow their bad leaders.
To overthrow Trudeau, our weapon will be the voting process at the upcoming election.
To overthrow Trudeau, our weapon will be the voting process at the upcoming election.
David Scott
@Hugh MacDonald
For what scheermadness?
For what scheermadness?
Hugh MacDonald
@David Scott
There's a saying:
"If you're not sure who to vote for, vote for the person who will do the least damage". Scheer would do less damage than Trudeau has or would.
There's a saying:
"If you're not sure who to vote for, vote for the person who will do the least damage". Scheer would do less damage than Trudeau has or would.
David Scott
@Hugh MacDonald
You actually believe that? Wow the education system is failing.
You actually believe that? Wow the education system is failing.
Hugh MacDonald
@David Scott
"Education system is failing"? Trudeau's education failed us.
"Education system is failing"? Trudeau's education failed us.
Harry Henderson
@Hugh MacDonald
Trudeau's education? Now that is comical. What education? He was having a difficult time teaching math to 6 year olds. Very Very Very under-qualified to PM our country.
Trudeau's education? Now that is comical. What education? He was having a difficult time teaching math to 6 year olds. Very Very Very under-qualified to PM our country.
Troy Mann
@Harry Henderson
Trudeau has a BA in Literature from McGill with a BEd from UBC
Sheer has a BA in history from UoR
Comparing educations it would be apparent that Trudeau has a higher education than Sheer.
If one wanted to look at facts, as a conservative supporter you can always play the anonymous source card and claim Sheer has even more education than he has admitted to and we can review then.
Trudeau has a BA in Literature from McGill with a BEd from UBC
Sheer has a BA in history from UoR
Comparing educations it would be apparent that Trudeau has a higher education than Sheer.
If one wanted to look at facts, as a conservative supporter you can always play the anonymous source card and claim Sheer has even more education than he has admitted to and we can review then.
David Amos
@Hugh MacDonald "Citizens in some countries use weapons and violence to overthrow their bad leaders."
Methinks the word is mightier than the sword particularly if it is ethically employed and properly published long before polling day N'esy Pas?
Methinks the word is mightier than the sword particularly if it is ethically employed and properly published long before polling day N'esy Pas?
Ben Robinson
Wow, this is getting comical.
Worst PM/government EVER.
Worst PM/government EVER.
Tom McLean
@Ben Robinson
How so? Elaborate
How so? Elaborate
Tom Abbott
@Tom McLean ....just read the news.
Ben Robinson
@Tom McLean ... "Elaborate"? Good grief.
@Tom McLean 4 ethics Violations.... Most of any PM in history?
Tom McLean
@Ben Robinson
Right... spell out some facts
Right... spell out some facts
RUSSELL CLARK
@Tom McLean
Ok you can come out from under whatever rock you have been hiding in for the past three years.
Ok you can come out from under whatever rock you have been hiding in for the past three years.
Fletch Peterson
@Tom McLean 4 ethics violations... The most of an PM in Canadian history
Tom McLean
@Fletch Peterson
None attributed to the PM as facts..., butts was fired btw
None attributed to the PM as facts..., butts was fired btw
Tom McLean
@RUSSELL CLARK
I have been paying attention to a robust economy and a healthy system of communication to make it better
I have been paying attention to a robust economy and a healthy system of communication to make it better
Fletch Peterson
@Tom McLean 1.2 percent GDP growth is "Robust"????
Chris Spring
@Tom McLean Robust? Does robust mean sputtering?
Tom McLean
@Fletch Peterson
Its growth... ahead of the rest of the world tooo. Geez
Its growth... ahead of the rest of the world tooo. Geez
Tom McLean
@Chris Spring
The rest of the world is swirling down the toilet, you live in the kingdom and youre complaining???? Its crazy to listen to people talk
The rest of the world is swirling down the toilet, you live in the kingdom and youre complaining???? Its crazy to listen to people talk
Darren Gerrior
@Tom McLean Thanks to the orange guy down south.
David Seibel
@Ben Robinson Short memory!
Harper government had the worst job creation record including that of RB
Bennet. Left office having created a 15 billion dollar debt. All kinds
of ethics inquiries into Conservative activities. Lets look into the
Tony Clement and his G7 expenditures.
Tom McLean
@Darren Gerrior
What does that even mean?????
What does that even mean?????
David Seibel
@Fletch Peterson Care to report on the GDP growth under Harper?
Derek Smith
@Tom McLean None attributed to the PM???
https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/trudeau-guilty-of-ethics-violation-1.4459764
https://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/trudeau-guilty-of-ethics-violation-1.4459764
Tom McLean
@Derek Smith
Right... auote the news system... already not listening
Right... auote the news system... already not listening
Derek Smith
@Tom McLean oh no, I get it.
I'm not on board with just the MSM. However, this was an investigation
by HIS ethics commissioner who determined HE was guilty of ethics
violations.
When the Liberal CBC has to admit that JT was found guilty of ethics violations, then I have to think, may he actually was.
This doesn't mean I am Pro-conservative, Pro-liberal, Pro-NDP or Pro-any other master of my life. It simply means that one Prime Minister was actually found guilty of ethics violations. I am sure all others just got away with it.
When the Liberal CBC has to admit that JT was found guilty of ethics violations, then I have to think, may he actually was.
This doesn't mean I am Pro-conservative, Pro-liberal, Pro-NDP or Pro-any other master of my life. It simply means that one Prime Minister was actually found guilty of ethics violations. I am sure all others just got away with it.
David Seibel
@Fletch Peterson Where did you get your info. Check out the Google report,
Joe Sinicrope
@Tom McLean Robust economy
where? In Canada? You should look at the facts instead of believing this
Liberal fairytale. Foreign and Canadian investment has left the
country. Canadian firms have $650 billion sitting overseas. This has
happened because of Justin’s refusal to cut the corporate tax rate when
the US did it. Historically, every previous Canadian government, whether
Liberal or Conservative, has cut the corporate tax rate when the US has
done it except for Justin’s government. This has also led to real
problems in job creation in Canada as the private sector is no longer
creating good paying full-time jobs in this country. Throughout 2018,
Canada was losing full-time jobs by the truckload and replacing them
with part-time jobs and low-paying service jobs. For example, in July we
lost 29,000 full-time jobs. In August, we lost 51,000 jobs. In
September, 80,000 part-time jobs were created, but we lost 17,000
full-time jobs for a net gain of 63,000 jobs. In December, we lost
something like 9000 full-time jobs. You see, the low unemployment rate
does not take into account the fact that people are having to take
part-time jobs because they have lost their full-time jobs. We are
seeing the repercussions of this with polls showing that Canadians do
not have a great deal of confidence in the economy. Sales are down
throughout the economy including home sales. This is always a clue that
the economy is not doing well. The fact is how can Canadians have
confidence in the economy if they are losing their full-time jobs and
replacing them with part-time jobs.
Joe Sinicrope
@David Seibel Harper had to
deal with the global financial meltdown. What is Justin’s excuse for all
of the good paying full-time jobs we are losing and the creation of
part-time jobs and low-paying service jobs when the US economy is on
fire? In terms of Harpers deficits, again, this was due to the global
financial meltdown and the fact that he was in a minority government
situation. Yet, Canada’s economy was the best of the then G8 countries
throughout that period of time. In fact, Harper had a surplus in his
last fiscal year in office. Justin promised small deficits of $10
billion per year and that he would get out of deficit by 2019. Instead,
Justin has produced deficits of almost $30 billion annually, and that
Canada will not get out of deficit as long as Justin and his ilk are in
office until something like 2045. In terms of ethics, Justin has
breached the ethics guidelines 4 times, and he is the only PM to have
ever done that. In terms of Tony Clement, the spending in his riding is
what ministers do for their ridings. There simply no comparison between
this and the massive deficits that Justin has run.
Troy Mann
@Joe Sinicrope
So tired of the Harper apologist
115,000 private sector jobs created last month and you are complaining wow
So tired of the Harper apologist
115,000 private sector jobs created last month and you are complaining wow
David Amos
@Ben Robinson "Wow, this is getting comical."
Methinks everybody knows how much I love a circus N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody knows how much I love a circus N'esy Pas?
David Amos
@Troy Mann So tired of the Harper apologist "
Methinks the same could be said of a Trudeau apologist N'esy Pas?
Methinks the same could be said of a Trudeau apologist N'esy Pas?
Wilson-Raybould tells Commons she wants to 'speak my truth' on SNC-Lavalin, tells Liberals she's still on-side
Former justice minister says solicitor-client privilege is not hers "to waive"
Jody Wilson-Raybould told the House of Commons today she wants to tell her side of the SNC-Lavalin scandal now consuming official Ottawa, but she can't "waive" solicitor-client privilege on her own.
The former justice minister and attorney general rose to explain why she was abstaining from a vote on an NDP motion to hold a public inquiry into alleged political interference in the criminal prosecution of the Quebec-based global engineering firm. Wilson-Raybould said she would refrain from voting because she was personally involved in the matter.
"I understand fully that Canadians want to know the truth and want transparency," she said. "Privilege and confidentiality are not mine to waive, and I hope that I have the opportunity to speak my truth."
Wilson-Raybould has stayed silent on the allegation — first reported by the Globe and Mail — that she was pressured by figures in the PMO to direct the Public Prosecution Service of Canada to draft a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA) (a legal tool resembling a plea deal) for SNC-Lavalin.
That would have allowed the global engineering firm to avoid criminal prosecution on bribery and fraud charges related to contracts in Libya. Wilson-Raybould has said she remains bound by client-solicitor privilege and cannot comment; as the former attorney general, she served as the government's top lawyer.
"I hope that I have the opportunity to speak my truth," Jody Wilson-Raybould tells the House of Commons this afternoon. Read more here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-snc-lavalin-trudeau-1.5025885 … #cdnpoli
Wilson-Raybould quit Trudeau's cabinet last week — just a week after Trudeau demoted her to the Veterans Affairs portfolio and just days after the Globe and Mail report.
Wilson-Raybould's surprise abstention from the vote on the NDP motion came just hours after she reassured the Liberal caucus that she was fully on the team.
Multiple caucus sources told CBC News that when Wilson-Raybould spoke in a caucus meeting today, she said she fully supported the Liberal agenda — especially on Indigenous issues. She did not discuss the specific allegation that she was pressured to intervene in SNC-Lavalin's case, but repeated her line that she was seeking legal advice on what she's permitted to say.
Several MPs told CBC News that her presence at the caucus meeting and the team-focused message she delivered there was taken by Liberals as a good sign — though they expressed concern about their inability to predict what Wilson-Raybould might do or say next.
Liberals urged to avoid media
Multiple MPs told CBC News the theme of the caucus meeting was largely a call for unity after a very rough few weeks for the Trudeau government. They said dozens of MPs went to the microphone to say that they are a team and need to pull together.
Many also urged their colleagues not to speak to the media, warning that it could undermine the government.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau conceded to his MPs at the caucus meeting that he has not handled this controversy as well as he could have, and apologized for the fact that they've been left in the dark by the fast-moving controversy, according to Liberal MPs who spoke to CBC News on condition they not be named.
Those MPs said that caucus chair Francis Scarpaleggia asked all staff — even those from the Prime Minister's Office — to exit the meeting, leaving only MPs in the room.
The NDP's motion would have launched a public inquiry into the allegations and called on the government to waive client-solicitor privilege in the SNC-Lavalin affair.
Conservatives supported the motion. It was defeated by the Liberal majority in a 134-160 vote. Two Liberal MPs, Nathaniel Erskine-Smith and Wayne Long, broke ranks and voted with the opposition.
Trudeau has asked Justice Minister and Attorney General David Lametti to review the matter of solicitor-client privilege in this case. Wilson-Raybould has retained retired Supreme Court justice Thomas Cromwell to advise her on what she can and can't say.
"I wasn't quick enough to condemn, in unequivocal terms, the comments and commentary and cartoons about her last week," Trudeau told reporters before facing another bruising round of questions about SNC-Lavalin in the Commons. "They were absolutely unacceptable and I should have done it sooner."
Trudeau didn't specify which comments inspired his apology. Recently, the Canadian Press ran a story quoting anonymous sources who described Wilson-Raybould as someone who had "become a thorn in the side of the cabinet" before she was shuffled to Veterans Affairs last month. She was also described as "someone ... [who] was difficult to get along with, known to berate fellow cabinet ministers openly at the table, and who others felt they had trouble trusting."
Several political cartoonists taking off on the SNC-Lavalin scandal portrayed Wilson-Raybould bound, gagged and beaten — a reference to Wilson-Raybould refusing to comment on the scandal publicly because of solicitor-client privilege.
Heading into the caucus meeting, he did not rule out an inquiry but said the Commons justice committee is "seized" with the issue and noted the ethics commissioner also has launched an investigation.
"We'll be hearing from (Wilson-Raybould), we'll be hearing from experts, we'll be hearing from a range of people. (The committee) will make the determination as to who it needs to hear from," he said. "It is important that there be an airing on this situation at the same time as we continue to work on a broad range of big issues that matter."
"Personally, I don't see a need for one," he said.
MPs left the caucus meeting with little to say publicly about the mood in the room. Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said the investigations by the justice committee and the ethics commissioner will unfold in a "careful, logical and orderly fashion."
After a two-hour closed door meeting Tuesday, members of the justice committee emerged with a list of witnesses that includes a handful of academics and Lametti, in addition to Wilson-Raybould.
The hearings were tentatively scheduled to begin this afternoon, but were delayed due to scheduling issues with potential witnesses. On Thursday, Lametti is scheduled to testify, as is Nathalie Drouin, deputy minister of justice and deputy attorney general, and Michael Wernick, clerk of the Privy Council and secretary to the cabinet.
Wilson-Raybould is not expected to appear before the committee until next week.
Today, she said she respects the committee process. She also acknowledged that the question of whether her appearance will be meaningful — given the potential limitations on what she can say — is "an appropriate one."
"I want to be able to ensure that I'm confident in what I can and can't say," she said on her way in to the weekly Liberal caucus meeting.
"I know this is frustrating for many people. I'm committed to ensuring that I know what I can and cannot say as I'm getting legal advice around privilege."
Key players not invited to committee
Conservatives and New Democrats have accused the Liberals of blocking key players from appearing before the justice committee — among them Gerry Butts, who suddenly resigned Monday from his position as Trudeau's top adviser.
Wilson-Raybould surprised many Tuesday when she emerged from the cabinet room in the afternoon after addressing Trudeau and his ministers.
Today, Trudeau said she had asked to address her former cabinet colleagues.
"I think it's extremely important that everyone have an opportunity to hear the different perspectives in this situation," he said.
After Wilson-Raybould abstained from today's vote, the Conservatives and NDP said Trudeau and Lametti also should have abstained because they are directly involved in the matter.
House Speaker Geoff Regan did not immediately rule on the matter, instead taking time to review precedent.
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said it was not improper for Trudeau to vote, noting that in the Westminster parliamentary system the "client" is the government, not the individual prime minister.
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