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Methinks it would be a wonderful world if CBC had permitted Chantal LeBouthi to read my reply to her last comment this morning but Trudeau The Younger would never allow it N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/all-cases-of-covid-19-in-nb-have.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-recovered-may-nb-update-1.5573214
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All cases of COVID-19 in N.B. have recovered
All 120 cases have recovered and there are no new cases
· CBC News · Posted: May 16, 2020 1:13 PM AT
Jennifer Russell, chief medical officer of health, said people should exercise caution this May long weekend to prevent transmission of COVID-19. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
All COVID-19 cases in New Brunswick have recovered, said a news release from the Department of Health on Saturday.
There are no active cases in the province and the number of recovered cases remains at 120.
As of Saturday, 20,032 tests have been conducted.
The province is in the second phase of its recovery plan, which is aimed at reopening businesses and activities.
The Wilmot Park and Henry Park tennis courts reopened Friday and dog parks and disc golf courses reopened to the public Saturday morning.
Visitors must bring their own hand sanitizer, maintain two metres from others outside their bubble, not gather in groups and follow the posted rules.
If the public doesn't follow the rules, the facilities will be shut down for 48 hours.
Sports courts, fields, pickle ball courts, playgrounds and skateboard parks remain closed.
Several parks and playgrounds in Saint John have reopened for the long weekend.
Rainbow Park playground, Station One skate park, Rockwood Park playground, Forest Hills playground and Dominion Park playground and basketball court reopened Saturday, along with Shamrock Park tennis courts 1-5 and horseshoe pits.
Saint John will be sanitizing playground equipment twice daily and providing hand sanitizer at each location.
Each library must have standards in place to protect staff and visitors when it reopens.
Services will be limited to returning and picking up books, CDs and DVDs. Programming, reference services and computer services will resume at a later date.
There are 64 public libraries across the province.
In a statement posted on Market Square's Facebook page, organizers said they were disappointed to pull the plug on one of the "oldest festivals in Canada."
Organizers said they're aware the region will miss the "working acts, children's activities and the extensive range of vendors" they had planned.
"But the safety of our community is our first priority and we understand the importance to cancel all large events and mass gatherings to help minimize the spread of the virus."
In April, the province ordered the cancellation of all events through to the end of the year.
"It is definitely disappointing to have to make this decision but we have big plans to celebrate both our 30th & 31st anniversaries of the Buskers on the Bay Festival in 2021," organizers said.
Buskers on the Bay was scheduled to take place from July 15 to 19.
There are no active cases in the province and the number of recovered cases remains at 120.
As of Saturday, 20,032 tests have been conducted.
The province is in the second phase of its recovery plan, which is aimed at reopening businesses and activities.
More Fredericton parks reopen
Some dog parks, disc golf courses and tennis courts at parks in Fredericton have reopened just in time for the Victoria Day weekend.The Wilmot Park and Henry Park tennis courts reopened Friday and dog parks and disc golf courses reopened to the public Saturday morning.
Visitors must bring their own hand sanitizer, maintain two metres from others outside their bubble, not gather in groups and follow the posted rules.
If the public doesn't follow the rules, the facilities will be shut down for 48 hours.
Sports courts, fields, pickle ball courts, playgrounds and skateboard parks remain closed.
Several parks and playgrounds in Saint John have reopened for the long weekend.
Rainbow Park playground, Station One skate park, Rockwood Park playground, Forest Hills playground and Dominion Park playground and basketball court reopened Saturday, along with Shamrock Park tennis courts 1-5 and horseshoe pits.
Saint John will be sanitizing playground equipment twice daily and providing hand sanitizer at each location.
Libraries reopening over next few weeks
New Brunswick public libraries are preparing to reopen in the coming weeks, said a news release form the Government of New Brunswick on Friday.Each library must have standards in place to protect staff and visitors when it reopens.
Services will be limited to returning and picking up books, CDs and DVDs. Programming, reference services and computer services will resume at a later date.
There are 64 public libraries across the province.
Buskers on the Bay Festival cancelled
The 30th annual Buskers on the Bay Festival has been cancelled because of COVID-19.In a statement posted on Market Square's Facebook page, organizers said they were disappointed to pull the plug on one of the "oldest festivals in Canada."
Organizers said they're aware the region will miss the "working acts, children's activities and the extensive range of vendors" they had planned.
"But the safety of our community is our first priority and we understand the importance to cancel all large events and mass gatherings to help minimize the spread of the virus."
In April, the province ordered the cancellation of all events through to the end of the year.
"It is definitely disappointing to have to make this decision but we have big plans to celebrate both our 30th & 31st anniversaries of the Buskers on the Bay Festival in 2021," organizers said.
Buskers on the Bay was scheduled to take place from July 15 to 19.
What to do if you have symptoms
People concerned they might have COVID-19 can take a self-assessment on the government website. People with two of those symptoms are asked to:- Stay at home.
- Immediately call Tele-Care 811 or their doctor
- Describe symptoms and travel history.
- Follow instructions.
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David Amos
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Methinks it would be a wonderful would if the Crown permitted Chantal LeBouthi to read my reply to her last comment this morning N'esy Pas?
Chantal LeBouthi 2 hours ago
Higgs doesn’t mind Irving getting poeples from the two most infected provinces
Higgs politics bad politics
David Amos
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Reply to David Amos: Deja Vu Anyone? David Amos
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Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Methinks the ghosts Prime Ministers William Pitt "the Elder and "The Younger" would agree that bad politicking was around long before New Brunswick became part of the British Empire.I have no doubt the Irving Clan were just as familiar with the wicked game just like my Forefathers in Scotland were They came here on the same boat with one of mine after many of your ancestors were displaced N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Dave Corbin
There are no active cases in the province" needs to be followed by the caution...that we know of.
David Amos
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Reply to @Dave Corbin: Methinks folks are wasting their precious time following Higgy's orders N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Dave Corbin: Methinks folks are wasting their precious time following Higgy's orders N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Dave Corbin:
And "we" may, or may not, be looking too hard.
David Amos
Methinks many folks would like to know how many of their fellow New Brunswickers suffered and died during the past two months because of Higgy's lock down of our Health Care System N'esy Pas?
Winston Gray
Reply to @David Amos: methinks you don’t know what you’re talking about and are just trying to create divide by making accusations you cannot prove N’esy Pas?
Carlson MacKenzie
Reply to @David Amos:
Youthinks too much and the end result is nothing of any substance.
Don't worry though, you're not alone, you've got lot's of company.
Chris McNee
Reply to @David Amos: sadly you are onto something. Putting off surgeries has effectively harmed some of our NB’ers
Chris McNee
Reply to @Winston Gray: this time he’s onto something. Postponement of critical surgeries causes loss of life.
mabel short
Reply to @David Amos:
it is past time that all 3maritime provinces become one single and
better educated doctors & nurses system....no dual systems because
of language should even exist in healthcare....otherwise those capable
will continue their health care in the USA.
James Smith
Reply to @Winston
Gray: No, it's a documented fact by now. We lost several cardiac
patients who were too afraid to go to the hospital and died, not to
mention the uptick in homicides and suicides. Prevention has been proved
worse than the problem itself in this Hegelian Dialectic exercise.
Jos Allaire
Reply to @mabel short: Mable short of a few marbles!
Jos Allaire
Reply to @mabel short: Toopee fripper mon tchu!
Greg Miller
Reply to @David Amos: Good grief are you going to have the last word?
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Smith: NO IT'S NOT !! Give us proof ! You have none . Another social media false fact !
Michel
Forgeron
Reply to @James Smith: State the source(s) of these "facts"
James Smith
Reply to @Michel
Forgeron: Sure, global news reported on the 35 delay cardiac surgeries
that cost people their lives in Ontario. We've had 1 or 2 in NB alone
that haven't been widely reported on, but you don't even need to look
any further than the search bar on this very CBC website for evidence of
the increase in homicides over the past 2 months. Then, use statistics
Canada to look up the historical figures, and you will have arrived and
the same, fact based conclusion that I have.
Michel Forgeron
Reply to @James Smith: There is no report concerning NB when searching CBC for "increase in homicides over the past 2 months". Where is the "1 or 2 in NB" documented?
James Smith
Reply to @Michel
Forgeron: Michel, you can look up the articles individually, that is not
the title of the story published. Then, use google to find the
statistics Canada website, and compare the current figures (only 5
months into the year), with the historical data. I'm not in your "bubble
family", so I can't come over and hold your hand and teach you how to
do this. Clearly your computer works, do what I told you the first time.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
I'm not sure you can blame Mr Higgs for the shortsightedness of our health care system. The desk operating do nothings in charge of our health care were given the task to prepare for covid 19. In typical DODN fashion, when they stopped running around in circles screaming "the sky is falling", they became single minded in their purpose to the exclusion of ALL else. Much like the old joke of an inability of some folks of being able to walk and chew gum at the same time. If you happened to be in hospital for any other reason, or if you needed a hospital for any other reason, you were at best ignored, at worst SOL.
I was there and saw this "grand performance" first hand. It was ONLY through the efforts of health professionals, ignoring foolish directives from on high, that semi-normal health care was provided as needed.
I'm not sure you can blame Mr Higgs for the shortsightedness of our health care system. The desk operating do nothings in charge of our health care were given the task to prepare for covid 19. In typical DODN fashion, when they stopped running around in circles screaming "the sky is falling", they became single minded in their purpose to the exclusion of ALL else. Much like the old joke of an inability of some folks of being able to walk and chew gum at the same time. If you happened to be in hospital for any other reason, or if you needed a hospital for any other reason, you were at best ignored, at worst SOL.
I was there and saw this "grand performance" first hand. It was ONLY through the efforts of health professionals, ignoring foolish directives from on high, that semi-normal health care was provided as needed.
Lou Bell
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64 Public Libraries in the Province and an unqualified leader !
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should take that up with your hero Higgy N'esy Pas?
mabel short
so, the saint john public library (the very first public library in all of canada) will be open....what about the historical items kept safe by the saint john library????
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @mabel short: I don't think they risk being infected by COVID.
Mac Isaac
Reply to @mabel short:
Not really sure to what you're referring Ms Short...what about those "historical items"? What has the re-opening of the library got to do with those items?
Not really sure to what you're referring Ms Short...what about those "historical items"? What has the re-opening of the library got to do with those items?
Fred Dee
Dentists are back, but having troubles getting access to PPE!!! Why is the GNB not assisting them?? Do not give it to them, but help them get GOOD SAFE PPE!!!! Some dentists will be staying closed for an unknown time... while their patients are in PAIN!!!!!
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Fred Dee: I wouldn't assume that the GNB *isn't* trying to assist them. The shortage of PPE for dentists and orthodontists exists right across Canada (and in the States as well). If every provincial government is trying to access PPE for their dentists, the GNB's going to have a lot of competition.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/covid-19-test-genexpert-fast-horizon-vitalite-foundation-1.5572382
Rapid COVID-19 results a 'valuable resource' in next phase of recovery, says Horizon exec
As hospitals tackle surgery backlogs, GeneXpert reduces test wait times to 45 minutes
· CBC News · Posted: May 16, 2020 7:00 AM AT
Dr. John Dornan, chief of staff for the Horizon Health Network, said rapid COVID-19 turnaround results are important in situations where people can comply with isolation requirements or in facility settings where the disease could quickly spread. (Ed Hunter/CBC)
As New Brunswick recovers from COVID-19 and hospital services restart, last month's lab upgrades to provide faster test results continue to play an important role, according to the Horizon Health Network's chief of staff.
"Now that we've moved into Level Orange [of the province's recovery plan], we are more dependent on positive or negative tests to do surgeries, for example," said Dr. John Dornan.
"And in the surgical world, sometimes the people need surgery very quickly."
The GeneXpert instruments, which reduce wait times to 45 minutes from as long as two days for some patients, are "an extremely valuable resource," he said.
The Saint John Regional Hospital Foundation's COVID-19 emergency fund paid for the upgrades at the Horizon and Vitalité hospital labs in Edmundston, Campbellton, Bathurst, Miramichi, Moncton, Fredericton and Saint John.
The GeneXpert upgrades came at "just the right time," as the province was ramping up its testing, said Dornan.
The combined capacity of the seven labs is about 200 tests a day, he said. "Thus far, the people that have needed to have a rapid turnaround, we've been able to meet that."
And now the GeneXpert will contribute to this next phase, during which the two regional health authorities are able to restart non-emergency surgeries, diagnostic procedures and health services.
15,000-surgery backlog
Earlier this week, Horizon announced it will only be restarting elective surgeries that are "urgent and critical."It has a 15,000-patient backlog of surgery patients.
"There's a long wait list in New Brunswick," acknowledged Dornan. "We're working our way gradually through increasing our ORs. We're quite excited about that," he said.
"We want to help people get better through surgery."
GeneXpert will only be used for certain pre-op patients, but if they test negative, the faster results will save time and money because fewer precautions will be required, said Dornan. Not everyone in the operating room will have to fully gear-up in personal protective equipment, he said.
The capacity of the seven labs varies, with the smaller centres able to handle about 16 test results a day and the larger ones, about 84 daily. (Paul Chiasson/The Canadian Press)
The faster GeneXpert test results cost more than the Dumont lab, said Dornan. "As you've heard, you can't be quick, reliable and cheap at the same time."
But he couldn't say how much either analysis costs. Horizon spokesperson Kris McDavid was also unable to provide any estimates.
"Cost is not the factor," said Dornan. "It's the issue of getting a test back quick enough to have an impact on the care that people get."
GeneXpert has been used for prioritized groups, including: patients being admitted to intensive care, women in labour, people in level three nursing homes or adult residential facilities who are suspected of having COVID-19, people in correctional facilities and people who are homeless.
But others can be added on a case-by-case basis by contacting the microbiologists, said Dornan.
Crisis calls for quick decisions
Although some rapid testing efforts in other jurisdictions have run into problems, Dornan is undaunted."One of the things that I've learned in the COVID crisis is that you have to make rapid decisions," he said. "You cannot keep decisions in abeyance for weeks and months on end.
"We're not cavalier."
For example, when the GeneXpert upgrades were completed, their initial results were considered preliminary until they could be validated against the "gold standard" Dumont lab.
"So it doesn't trouble me that there's some hiccups along the way because … people's health are not put in jeopardy," said Dornan.
With any new equipment, appropriate precautions are always taken, he added.
There are no longer any active cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick, Public Health reported on Saturday.
The final of all 120 patients has now recovered, officials said in a news release.
A total of 20,032 tests have been conducted to date.
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Terry Tibbs
One has to simply wonder what we are seeing here?
Are we seeing "use it or lose it" criteria for government funding?
Or
Are we expecting a major influx of covid 19 cases, that may, or may not, be connected to opening daycares?
Are we seeing "use it or lose it" criteria for government funding?
Or
Are we expecting a major influx of covid 19 cases, that may, or may not, be connected to opening daycares?
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks what is far more important what we are not seeing N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos: Isn't it "funny" how announcements like this are ALWAYS covering something up?
David Amos
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Methinks some folks working for Horizon Health in Fat Fred City must recall the circus that occurred when RCMP and I visited their Looney Bin before the economy crashed in 2008. The fact that the shrinks and the DECH could not bill New Brunswick for their malicious actions because of a "Stay" that had put on my Medicare Card was too too funny indeed N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @David Amos: Methink Higgy et al cannot deny the reasons why I trust the heath of my bum ticker (and pay cash) to the doctors at Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre in Moncton and their related emergency rooms within the French side of our Health care system after being attacked by the Anglo dudes 12 years ago N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Johnny Almar: You should know
Reply to @David Amos: Methink Higgy et al cannot deny the reasons why I trust the heath of my bum ticker (and pay cash) to the doctors at Dr. Georges-L.-Dumont University Hospital Centre in Moncton and their related emergency rooms within the French side of our Health care system after being attacked by the Anglo dudes 12 years ago N'esy Pas?
Johnny Almar
Fake news
David Amos
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Rob Sense
This
guy would say anything to cover up this waste of donor money. Couldn't
stand that the tests going to that french hospital so they found a way
to duplicate services like they always do. It takes one hour to send a
sample from SJ to Moncton so his claim of 48 hours turn around is
absurd. No consideration that is costs 10 times more than current
tests. Luckily there are no more cases.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Rob Sense:
Sure it does ! Do 50 tests in Fredericton , ship 'em IMMEDIATELY as\fter
each test is done ! Same as other locations . So you have 205 to 250
INDIVIDUAL shipments ! You do realize the tests are over a 24 hour
period don't you ? Think about it , then post ! Maybe we need to speak
to Bizarro Rob , COMMON !!
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Please continue to cry me a river I need it for Federal Court
Rob Sense
Reply to @Lou Bell:
You really didn't give it much thought...nobody would ever think of sending individual samples. Medical couriers are going to all four corners of the province multiple times a day. Batches are done once a day so you could send samples every 8 hours. Ding Bell. CMON.
Reply to @Lou Bell: Please continue to cry me a river I need it for Federal Court
Rob Sense
Reply to @Lou Bell:
You really didn't give it much thought...nobody would ever think of sending individual samples. Medical couriers are going to all four corners of the province multiple times a day. Batches are done once a day so you could send samples every 8 hours. Ding Bell. CMON.
Carlson MacKenzie
Really not much point in having an account here if nothing you say is allowed to remain.
David Amos
Reply to @Carlson MacKenzie: Go figure why I am laughing at your lament
David Amos
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Reply to @Carlson
MacKenzie: Methinks your hero Higgy and the his buddies in the Irving
Clan would not have one of mine that did not make the grade N'esy Pas? Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: Methinks the ghosts Prime Ministers William Pitt "the Elder and "The Younger" would agree that bad politicking was around long before New Brunswick became part of the British Empire.I have no doubt the Irving Clan were just as familiar with the wicked game just like my Forefathers in Scotland were They came here on the same boat with one of mine after many of your ancestors were displaced N'esy Pas?
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail—its roof may shake—the wind may blow through it—the storm may enter—the rain may enter—but the King of England cannot enter!
speech, March 1763, in Lord Brougham Historical Sketches of Statesmen in the Time of George III First Series (1845) vol. 1
Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it. speech, House of Lords, 9 January 1770
Lou Bell
Reply to @Carlson
MacKenzie: Try social media . They'll allow you to say anything you want
, including most things you realize after you've said it , you really
didn't want to , although by then it's too late . here they help you out
and do it for you !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should practice what you preach and checkout my twitter and Blogger accounts N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Right.
"here they help you out and do it to you !"
Right.
"here they help you out and do it to you !"
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: I don't follow false facts !
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Nope Methinks Mr Tibbs would agree that "Content disabled" hurts the truth N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Not enough time . The 17 people who support you in past Provincial elections do though.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Two poofs thus far in just one thread Methinks its small wonder I am blogging it all already N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks you should check your false claims then call your lawyer N'esy Pas?
Lou Bel
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Reply to @David Amos: Ne comprendez Senior .
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell:
Methinks you wish to play dumb because you worked for Horizon when I was
falsely imprisoned in the DECH in 2008 N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Truth hurts !! Methinks editing comments hurts the truth N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
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Reply to @David Amos:
I worked my whole life in private business , did my job , worked hard ,
and saved for retirement . Haven't a clue who you are , your past , or
even care. Never worked for Horizon , Irving , or any others you appear
to have it in for. Have no time for conspiracy theorists .
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Yea Right Buggie
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: I would lay odds that you know Justice Richard Bell quite well
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:" I don't follow false facts !"
Lets see what facts you do know
Do tell Madame Bell who was the lawyer from Fat Fred City who began representing the Commissioner of the RCMP in the Arar Inquiry after the Deputy Prime Minister and Canada's first Minister of Public Safett finally admitted that the Yankee Department of Homeland Securtiy had acknowledged my concerns in 2003?
Lets see what facts you do know
Do tell Madame Bell who was the lawyer from Fat Fred City who began representing the Commissioner of the RCMP in the Arar Inquiry after the Deputy Prime Minister and Canada's first Minister of Public Safett finally admitted that the Yankee Department of Homeland Securtiy had acknowledged my concerns in 2003?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Question # 2
Can you name the lawyer Harper enlisted to run his campaigns in New Brunswick for the elections of the 39th and 39th Parliaments and how many votes did I get in each election and where did I run?
Can you name the lawyer Harper enlisted to run his campaigns in New Brunswick for the elections of the 39th and 39th Parliaments and how many votes did I get in each election and where did I run?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Question # 3 Who was the first lawyer Harper appointed to sit on the
bench as a judge as soon as he became Prime Minister in 2006?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Question # 4 Who was the first judge I met In Federal Court in December of 2015 after I ran in the election of the 42nd Parliament and where did I run how many votes did I get that time?
Reply to @Lou Bell: Question # 4 Who was the first judge I met In Federal Court in December of 2015 after I ran in the election of the 42nd Parliament and where did I run how many votes did I get that time?
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that the answer to all the questions is the same dude. Whereas the lawyer/judge is from Fat Fred city and shares your last name odds are you know the answers too and I have no doubt that is why you have attacked me so much over the years making false claims about voting records etc N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that the answer to all the questions is the same dude. Whereas the lawyer/judge is from Fat Fred city and shares your last name odds are you know the answers too and I have no doubt that is why you have attacked me so much over the years making false claims about voting records etc N'esy Pas?
David Peters
"It(publicly run healthcare) has a 15,000-patient backlog of surgery patients."
The system has failed, imo. Baseline budgeting and collective bargaining agreements made the collapse inevitable.
Time to let free market solutions meet demand, imo. Allow patients get the treatments they need in a much more timely manner, by removing barriers between doctor and patients.
The system has failed, imo. Baseline budgeting and collective bargaining agreements made the collapse inevitable.
Time to let free market solutions meet demand, imo. Allow patients get the treatments they need in a much more timely manner, by removing barriers between doctor and patients.
Koffi Babone
Reply to @David Peters:
What do you mean by "Time to let free market solutions meet demand, imo"?
Do you privatization of health care? Because there is a very good example of how that worked out in QC....
Most the Covid-19 infections and deaths in Qc occurred in private long term health care facilities, where the seniors paid between $ 3000 to 10,000 a month for care and the workers taking of care of them were paid barely above minimum wage.
What do you mean by "Time to let free market solutions meet demand, imo"?
Do you privatization of health care? Because there is a very good example of how that worked out in QC....
Most the Covid-19 infections and deaths in Qc occurred in private long term health care facilities, where the seniors paid between $ 3000 to 10,000 a month for care and the workers taking of care of them were paid barely above minimum wage.
David Peters
Reply to @Koffi Babone:
One 'company' owning 15 huge long term care homes is more like crony capitalism than it is a free market solution.
A free market solution involves competition, consumer choice, innovation helping to lower costs. The owners of the care home should be on-site, directly involved of the day to day goings on, imo.
A free market solution, though, is not perfect. We are talking about better, faster and cheaper, not perfection.
One 'company' owning 15 huge long term care homes is more like crony capitalism than it is a free market solution.
A free market solution involves competition, consumer choice, innovation helping to lower costs. The owners of the care home should be on-site, directly involved of the day to day goings on, imo.
A free market solution, though, is not perfect. We are talking about better, faster and cheaper, not perfection.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @David
Peters: I guess you haven't seen the people in the United States that
lost their jobs and no longer have medical insurance. The ones
particularly troubling were the sick people, who documented their
troubles on social media, trying to get the free Covid-19 testing that
was promised. That turned out to be an empty promise that ran in
bureaucratic circles to nowhere. The one guy couldn't afford his
upcoming rent and didn't have money for the paid testing, and he was in
rough shape. Yea, the free market is good for most products and
services, and for meeting materialistic needs, but cannot be relied upon
for the social responsibility that is health care. The only thing that
you are going to allow is for the insurance companies to get wealthier
and for people in financial difficulty to not get proper treatment. Yea
keep looking at the United States to see how well that system is
working out for their society during this pandemic.
David Peters
Reply to @Marco Bernardo:
The US system is not an example of a free market system, though...as you have highlighted in your own comment. Bureaucratic circles to nowhere and insurance companies taking over from doctors is an example of a monopolized healthcare system that has driven costs so high...that good healthcare becomes less attainable for many.
A better example of how a freer healthcare system can provide comparable, sometimes better quality service for 10% of the cost, is India.
The US system is not an example of a free market system, though...as you have highlighted in your own comment. Bureaucratic circles to nowhere and insurance companies taking over from doctors is an example of a monopolized healthcare system that has driven costs so high...that good healthcare becomes less attainable for many.
A better example of how a freer healthcare system can provide comparable, sometimes better quality service for 10% of the cost, is India.
David Peters
Reply to @Marco Bernardo:
In India, there are virtually no surgery wait times. Sometimes they are done the same day of the diagnosis....all for 10% of the cost of how it's done in the US. In many cases the service is said to be excellent, as well.
Marco, how can your really defend a system that there is a surgery wait list of 15000 patients? When you need surgery, can you really afford to wait for many months, or even years?
Also, wouldn't you rather be in a position where healthcare were affordable enough that you could pay for it yourself, and there wasn't any obstacles between you and your doctor?
In India, there are virtually no surgery wait times. Sometimes they are done the same day of the diagnosis....all for 10% of the cost of how it's done in the US. In many cases the service is said to be excellent, as well.
Marco, how can your really defend a system that there is a surgery wait list of 15000 patients? When you need surgery, can you really afford to wait for many months, or even years?
Also, wouldn't you rather be in a position where healthcare were affordable enough that you could pay for it yourself, and there wasn't any obstacles between you and your doctor?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Peters: Oh , minimum wages for Doctors / Nurses ! How do you think that'll work out in recruiring ??
Mary Smith
Reply to @David Peters: "a surgery wait list of 15000 patients"
This happened because we pressed pause on most surgeries because of a global pandemic. Whether we had another sort of healthcare system, we still would have pressed pause, and a backlog of surgeries would have happened no matter the system. It just wasn't safe, so we made a decision to halt surgeries temporarily, and now we're going to un-pause and start tackling the backlog.
Allocate more funds, more operating room time, potentially open up for night surgeries if we have staff to do so. Hire more. If the budget is too low to meet demands, it means the budget is not enough and the money allocated was insufficient so we have to adjust the budget to meet the demands.
We don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It's a backlog because we purposely pressed pause so we can brace and deal with a global pandemic, and now we need to allocate more resources so we can meet demands.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
A backlog existed before this pandemic, meaning we were always not
allocating enough resources. This shines light on a problem that
already existed, and the government needs to have supply meet demands.
Healthcare is a fixed cost, and we can look for savings, but having
people sit endlessly on wait list is not healthcare - an increase in
resources are necessary, and were necessary before, and even more
necessary moving forward.
Lou Bell
Reply to @David
Peters: Monies such as those wasted in EMPTY Emergency rooms in 6 small
hospitals for 8 hours each evening around the Province are examples ofr
wasted monies not being put WHERE THEY'RE MOST NEEDED !!!
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith: So right Mary . David thinks he has all the answers , although they're usually wrong
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
“Dr. Doucet has confirmed she is leaving NB due to a lack of resources
and support for pediatric ophthalmology. Dr. Leblond [orthopedic
surgeon] has confirmed that he will be taking a one year leave of
absence that allows for the option of returning to New Brunsiwck should
resources for his wife’s practice allow her to do so”
Resources need to be increased. In this scenario, Erica Doucet said that operating rooms sat empty when she needed them desperately to try to tackle her over 1000 patient wait list. Government simply is not allocating enough resources, and the cost is that patients are suffering and doctors are stressed and sometimes leave.
Resources need to be increased. In this scenario, Erica Doucet said that operating rooms sat empty when she needed them desperately to try to tackle her over 1000 patient wait list. Government simply is not allocating enough resources, and the cost is that patients are suffering and doctors are stressed and sometimes leave.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell: I
know you read those statistics, but please, I assure you those were
intentionally misleading statistic on purpose to paint the picture that
those rural wait rooms were empty - I assure you, they are not.
Those numbers only counted new patients that arrived after 10/12, and did not reflect all the patients still in outpatients from the day that stay until the early morning hours waiting to be seen. It does not account for those who are admitted into the hospital before that cut off to be counted, or account for those who are in hospital for care.
Those rural hospitals are vital. Even if they were empty - and they are not - shutting them down would only cause overcrowding in urban hospitals that are routinely at or over capacity. Do you know how many people from urban areas go into rural areas to take advantage of our hospitals? It's so many. It means longer wait times for rural areas, and we sometimes have to wait 6-9+ hours now because of the people from urban areas bypassing their hospitals to use our services.
Even if the rural hospitals were empty, we need it open and a doctor onsite for emergencies - because time is everything and otherwise patients would be DOA. Ambulances often have to stop at the hospital to stabilize a critical patient in order for them to survive transport to a larger hospital.
Shutting down rural hospitals just pushes problems around, increasing time for ambulances transporting patients like mad and will cause overflow into urban hospitals.
Having rural hospitals and putting them to better use by embracing tele-health services, so they can tele-health to where the highest demand is - like an urban hospital - so they can work to empty out that wait room of lower triage cases. Win, win. Rural and Urban united.
Those numbers only counted new patients that arrived after 10/12, and did not reflect all the patients still in outpatients from the day that stay until the early morning hours waiting to be seen. It does not account for those who are admitted into the hospital before that cut off to be counted, or account for those who are in hospital for care.
Those rural hospitals are vital. Even if they were empty - and they are not - shutting them down would only cause overcrowding in urban hospitals that are routinely at or over capacity. Do you know how many people from urban areas go into rural areas to take advantage of our hospitals? It's so many. It means longer wait times for rural areas, and we sometimes have to wait 6-9+ hours now because of the people from urban areas bypassing their hospitals to use our services.
Even if the rural hospitals were empty, we need it open and a doctor onsite for emergencies - because time is everything and otherwise patients would be DOA. Ambulances often have to stop at the hospital to stabilize a critical patient in order for them to survive transport to a larger hospital.
Shutting down rural hospitals just pushes problems around, increasing time for ambulances transporting patients like mad and will cause overflow into urban hospitals.
Having rural hospitals and putting them to better use by embracing tele-health services, so they can tele-health to where the highest demand is - like an urban hospital - so they can work to empty out that wait room of lower triage cases. Win, win. Rural and Urban united.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Most emergencies happen at night - breathing difficulties, strokes,
heart attacks, care accidents. And how would patients from those rural
hospitals be transported to urban hospitals? Would the all be jammed
onto an ambulance bus, in close quarters, spreading germs around? What
would that do to already over crowded and usually over capacity urban
hospitals? Not to mention all the viruses sent to one hospital is not
good hospital etiquette, as witnessed by centralized hospitals in Italy.
If an outbreak happens in one hospital, it's best to have rural
hospitals that can step up if need be.
If we shut down rural hospitals, we'd create dead zones. Literal pockets of this province where if an emergency happened, in all likelihood those people there would be dead on arrival.
Better utilize all hospitals, embrace tele-health (look up PEI and their experience with tele-health - it's been really positive for them), and ensure that all NB'ers have access to healthcare.
This is not an urban vs rural issue - even though they released manipulated data and stats to paint a picture that rural hospitals are sitting there, unused and empty, because it is absolutely false - they just wanted to scapegoat rural hospitals. If you shut down rural hospitals it will just shift the problems and cause longer wait times for everyone, for everyone in need of an ambulance, cause overcrowding in urban hospitals where they're usually at or over capacity, and lead to more and more NB'ers DOA.
If we shut down rural hospitals, we'd create dead zones. Literal pockets of this province where if an emergency happened, in all likelihood those people there would be dead on arrival.
Better utilize all hospitals, embrace tele-health (look up PEI and their experience with tele-health - it's been really positive for them), and ensure that all NB'ers have access to healthcare.
This is not an urban vs rural issue - even though they released manipulated data and stats to paint a picture that rural hospitals are sitting there, unused and empty, because it is absolutely false - they just wanted to scapegoat rural hospitals. If you shut down rural hospitals it will just shift the problems and cause longer wait times for everyone, for everyone in need of an ambulance, cause overcrowding in urban hospitals where they're usually at or over capacity, and lead to more and more NB'ers DOA.
Mary Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Not to mention shutting rural hospitals would't save money. Rural
hospitals run on really balanced budgets, especially compared to urban
hospitals. They do a lot of fundraising and are vital to their
communities.
Without them, it's so counter-intuitive: rural areas work really hard to get seniors into old folks homes and our of hospitals. Sackville is setting itself up to be a seniors living community, but who in their right minds would want to be a senior in a healthcare dead zone and be 45 minutes away from a hospital, and that's not including the time it takes for an ambulance to come to you. Not to mention highway conditions in Sackville often mean that the highway is un-passable, either due to white outs conditions or due to strong Fundy winds.
We do not have the transit system other areas have. There are people who are landlocked here. Students and international students without cars or transit. There are so many factors, none of which were taken into account with the rash attempt to shut down 6 hospitals just days before schools were to be shut for this global pandemic.
Rural hospitals can raise funds so well. Have chase the ace sort of fundraising, you'll see rural hospitals flourish. We should not shut hospitals down and kill towns and communities, but lean on them harder, use tele-care/tele-health to optimize doctors time, and not sacrifice one portion of the province for another because if those hospitals shut, we all suffer as a result.
Without them, it's so counter-intuitive: rural areas work really hard to get seniors into old folks homes and our of hospitals. Sackville is setting itself up to be a seniors living community, but who in their right minds would want to be a senior in a healthcare dead zone and be 45 minutes away from a hospital, and that's not including the time it takes for an ambulance to come to you. Not to mention highway conditions in Sackville often mean that the highway is un-passable, either due to white outs conditions or due to strong Fundy winds.
We do not have the transit system other areas have. There are people who are landlocked here. Students and international students without cars or transit. There are so many factors, none of which were taken into account with the rash attempt to shut down 6 hospitals just days before schools were to be shut for this global pandemic.
Rural hospitals can raise funds so well. Have chase the ace sort of fundraising, you'll see rural hospitals flourish. We should not shut hospitals down and kill towns and communities, but lean on them harder, use tele-care/tele-health to optimize doctors time, and not sacrifice one portion of the province for another because if those hospitals shut, we all suffer as a result.
Koffi Babone
Reply to @Mary Smith:
"You wrote hire more..."
FYI there is currently no agreement between NB doctors and the provincial government for this pandemic. All other provinces have agreed to compensate doctors to some extend. All doctors paid as a "fee for service" currently still have expenses (staff, utilities, rental etc), cannot close shop but have decreased income.
How do you intend on recruiting if the NB government is not compensating our doctors for their losses?
"You wrote hire more..."
FYI there is currently no agreement between NB doctors and the provincial government for this pandemic. All other provinces have agreed to compensate doctors to some extend. All doctors paid as a "fee for service" currently still have expenses (staff, utilities, rental etc), cannot close shop but have decreased income.
How do you intend on recruiting if the NB government is not compensating our doctors for their losses?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith: I
know Oromocto Hospital , serving a MUCH LARGER population and MANY MORE
people each evening a year or two ago had their Emergency hours cut
off at 10 o'clock each evening . Where were al the naysayers then ??
Figures don't lie ! These are small village / town hospitals and
Oromocto should have been the last of any of those shut down . Most of
these places are no larger than McAdam , Harvey , Minto/ Chipman ,
Boiestown/ Doaktown , Nackawic , TriCounty, and many others who lost
their services years ago ! Next door service for small communities DOES
NOT trump 6 hour wait times in larger urban areas .
Mary Smith
Reply to @Koffi
Babone: NB should follow suit if the other provinces "have agreed to
compensate doctors to some extend". NB should be "compensating our
doctors for their losses".
Mary Smith
Reply to @Mary Smith:
First step is treating the doctors and healthcare workers we already
have well. That will help with recruitment.
David Amos
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Methinks I should not be surprised to see that you are still pounding
on your keyboard while ignoring my questions N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Oromocto Hospital serving a MUCH LARGER population and area was shut
down over two years ago . Where were the naysayers then ? Small town /
village Hospitals servicing 3 to 10 people in an evening SHOULD NOT
trump 6 hour wait times in other areas . These midnight to 8 a.m.
services were cut to areas just aas large such as Minto/ Chipman ,
Boiestown / Doaktown , McAdam/ Harvey, Nackawic, and TriCounty years
ago ! And they all have had to deal with major accidents. Curb service
is a thing of the past !
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Most areas like Sackville have ambulances on standby in their
commumities , they don't come fro 50 miles away. Amherst has a hospital
and Moncton isn't 45 minutes away unless one's a Sunday driver .
Mary Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell:
When one ambulance is called, it causes a domino effect and other
ambulances have to shift and adjust to cover areas. So you never know
if your ambulance is coming from the closest area or further away, or if
multiple ambulances are needed at the same time.
Sackville Hospital covers a wide surrounding area, not just within town limits. Moncton hospital is 35 minutes from the exact center of town, but there's traffic to take into account and people live further away than just the center of town.
Sackville Hospital covers a wide surrounding area, not just within town limits. Moncton hospital is 35 minutes from the exact center of town, but there's traffic to take into account and people live further away than just the center of town.
Mary Smith
Reply to @David Amos:
I have no idea about your specific situation. Honestly, it's strange
that you think people would know about your exact circumstance. Contact
a lawyer if you have difficulties accessing a healthcare card, asking
random people on the internet will get you no where.
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith:
Sackvile is at the far end of the spectrum when it comes to distance
from Moncton. Nothing beyond , everything would be between Sackville and
Moncton . I also don't believe traffic is much a problem in Sackvile
any time after 9 o'clock at night . All the examples I used are further
away than Sackville from their servicing hospital , most 45 minutes to
more than an hour away. and they DO service areas beyond , so the "
Sackville exception " doesn't really hold much water .
Lou Bell
Reply to @David
Peters: " Free Market " would mean even tighter competition dollars
which would mean worse NOT better service , and even larger companies
running them ! I smell Bombardier / SNC scenarios , only this time in
Healthcare , although I suspect it's already happening in Quebec !
Mary Smith
Reply to @Lou Bell:
I'm not saying Sackville's an exception, it's just what I know. It's
fine, we have differing opinions and that's okay.
David
Peters
Reply to @Lou Bell:
"Oh , minimum wages for Doctors / Nurses ! How do you think that'll work out in recruiring ??"
In a free market healthcare system, the doctor runs his/her own doctors office and is responsible for the financial side of things as well. No insurance company interference. This includes the freedom for doctors to charge patients according to what their income is, and being able to find lesser expensive treatments, where appropriate..
.
"Oh , minimum wages for Doctors / Nurses ! How do you think that'll work out in recruiring ??"
In a free market healthcare system, the doctor runs his/her own doctors office and is responsible for the financial side of things as well. No insurance company interference. This includes the freedom for doctors to charge patients according to what their income is, and being able to find lesser expensive treatments, where appropriate..
.
David
Peters
Reply to @Lou Bell:
You're thinking of crony capitalism...and horrible examples at that, of long term cronyism that have been going on, and continue to occur. This is the opposite of doctor run doctor offices. In a free market, you don't have one 'company' control a number of doctors, you have each doctor in charge of their own practice.
You're thinking of crony capitalism...and horrible examples at that, of long term cronyism that have been going on, and continue to occur. This is the opposite of doctor run doctor offices. In a free market, you don't have one 'company' control a number of doctors, you have each doctor in charge of their own practice.
Lou Bell
Reply to @David
Peters: Pharmaceutical payoffs in the U.S. as an example is the norm !
Why do you think their drug prices are so high and Obamacare was so
popular by most , other than the rich and the Trumpers , who've been
fooled for over 4 years now ? For them , being CHEAP and gambling with
their health is the norm !
David
Peters
Reply to @David Amos:
Speaking of ignoring questions, you still haven't answered mine about when and where the eub meetings are? If they are secret, why do you think a public board, in charge of making rules for the business world, needs to be secret?
Speaking of ignoring questions, you still haven't answered mine about when and where the eub meetings are? If they are secret, why do you think a public board, in charge of making rules for the business world, needs to be secret?
Lou Bell
Reply to @Mary Smith:
I agree , but " what's good for the goose should be good for the gander
" and the politicians involved don't see it that way . Being fair to
all should be the norm , not just a select few .
David
Peters
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Once again you're citing the cause of the healthcare systems big problems, but blame the wrong thing. Gov't, big pharma and insurance companies have gotten in-between the doctor and patient. Healthcare should only be between a doctor and patient.
Once again you're citing the cause of the healthcare systems big problems, but blame the wrong thing. Gov't, big pharma and insurance companies have gotten in-between the doctor and patient. Healthcare should only be between a doctor and patient.
David Amos
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Reply to @David Peters: Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that I answered you several times about the EUB and yet you are still denying it today You can feel free to tell me WHY? if my last reply to you was not right on the money N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Peters: Methinks Higgy et al cannot deny that I answered you several times about the EUB and yet you are still denying it today You can feel free to tell me WHY? if my last reply to you was not right on the money N'esy Pas?
David Amos
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Reply to @Mary Smith: "Contact a lawyer if you have difficulties accessing a healthcare card, asking random people on the internet will get you no where."
Methinks your strange friends in cyberspace should have explained to you why i sued the Queen in 2015 because of this malice and the fact that I have quite likely sued more lawyers in the USA than anyone else in history BEFORE i first ran for a seat in Parliament in 2004. .At the very least Higgy et al cannot deny the fact that people should surf the Internet before they opt to insult me about needing the service of a lawyer N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Mary Smith: "Contact a lawyer if you have difficulties accessing a healthcare card, asking random people on the internet will get you no where."
Methinks your strange friends in cyberspace should have explained to you why i sued the Queen in 2015 because of this malice and the fact that I have quite likely sued more lawyers in the USA than anyone else in history BEFORE i first ran for a seat in Parliament in 2004. .At the very least Higgy et al cannot deny the fact that people should surf the Internet before they opt to insult me about needing the service of a lawyer N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Peters: My " new doctor " , unlike my previous doctor , went from booking appointments every 3 months instead of 6 and prescribing my medication likewise ! Check out the " million dollar doctors " we now have and it's growing rapidly . It appears that for most coming out of college it's Business 1st , everything else comes later ! I don't trust any of them to take patient finances into consideration in any way.
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