David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al should soon know that I contacted these folks as well I liked Mr Lawlor but Mr Perry did not wish to speak to me So be it We are all cranky old Maritimers N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/group-looking-for-test-case-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/summer-homes-new-brunswick-covid-19-1.5563776
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al know why I think Professor Emeritus Wayne MacKay is a pretty funny wannabe wiseguy N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/group-looking-for-test-case-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/who-win-unclear-charter-1.5564583
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks whereas there were 2 articles about Pascal Bujold's concerns I thought only fair to contact Oulton College as well Higgy et la should not doubt that I called them too N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/group-looking-for-test-case-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-border-restriction-covid-19-1.5561926
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al know why my advice to Hossein Arefi and his son is not to trust the Canadian Constitution Foundation as far as they can throw them N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2020/05/group-looking-for-test-case-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-test-case-court-closed-borders-1.5562240
Group looking for test case to challenge Higgs decision to close N.B. borders
The Canadian Constitution Foundation says restrictions violate two constitutional provisions
· CBC News · Posted: May 09, 2020 6:00 AM AT
Vehicles in New Brunswick are stopped at the Quebec border in Campbellton as an officer asked all motorists a series of questions to screen for COVID-19. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)
The group that tried to strike down New Brunswick's limits on cross-border beer says it may now challenge the constitutionality of the Higgs government's decision to close provincial borders.
The Canadian Constitution Foundation says it is looking for a test case it could use to ask the courts to strike down the restrictions, just as it tried to open provincial borders to the free flow of beer.
"We're considering it because we're seeing state actors proceed under these patently unconstitutional laws, not just taking them up [but] as well as applying them arbitrarily," said Joanna Barron, the organization's executive director.
The province has restricted entry to the province as part of its efforts to contain the spread of COVID-19. Provincial enforcement officers are stationed at seven road crossings and two airports and are turning away anyone considered to be travelling for non-essential reasons.
Premier Blaine Higgs has said that the border restrictions will likely be among the last COVID-19 measures to be lifted.
Is restriction allowed or not?
Daniel Arefi pleaded guilty to violating New Brunswick's emergency measures order prohibiting visitors from entering the province. He arrived on a flight at the Moncton airport and told officials he was visiting his parents. (Photo: Shane Magee/CBC News)
The foundation may use the case of Daniel Arefi, a 19-year-old man who was sent back to Toronto this week, or the situation in Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., where some residents have been allowed to cross to New Brunswick and others have not.
Barron says the province's restrictions violate two constitutional provisions.
Section 6.2 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the right of any Canadian "to move to and take up residence in any province."
While that is subject to Section 1 of the charter, which allows reasonable limits on some rights, Barron says there's an argument the restrictions are not reasonable.
But she says another part of the Constitution is even more clear cut. Sections 91 and 92 prevent the province from regulating interprovincial borders at all.
Only the federal government can regulate anything moving between provinces, whether it's highways, pipelines or people, Barron said.
"Just invoking the Emergencies Act does not pre–empt that," she said. "It's certainly something that the federal government could do, but it's not something New Brunswick can do without violating the Constitution Act of 1867."
The division of powers outlined in Sections 91 and 92 are outside the charter and not subject to Section 1's "reasonable limits" clause.
Ideal test cases
Compliance officers check vehicles at the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border near Amherst on Sunday, April 5, 2020. Provincial staff stop and question anyone entering the province as part of the effort to stop the spread of COVID-19. (Andrew Vaughan/Canadian Press)
Barron says both the Arefi and Pointe-à-la-Croix cases could make ideal test cases.
On Friday, Arefi pleaded guilty to violating the province's emergency measures order after he flew into Moncton and refused to obey provincial enforcement officers who told him he could not stay and had to fly home to Toronto.
Arefi told provincial enforcement officers he was arriving to visit his parents, but his father Hossein says his son was actually moving to Moncton after being laid off from a job in Toronto.
Daniel Arefi pleaded guilty and was fined $292 and driven to Fredericton to catch a flight back to Toronto.
Hossein Arefi said Friday his son's rights were violated and he was considering suing the province.
Daniel "was not in Mexico, he was not in Argentina, he was not in Australia. He was in Canada,"
Hossein Arefi said. "A Canadian can live and work anywhere he likes in Canada."
Meanwhile the mayor of Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., says rules allowing residents of his town to cross to Campbellton for essentials are being applied arbitrarily and with no consistency.
The province's emergency order allows people to cross at Campbellton "to obtain groceries, prescription medication, and other necessities of life not available to them in their own community."
Rules need to be clarified
New Brunswick closed its borders to non-essential travel on March 25. That created friction in Listuguj First Nation, which some see as part of a larger community with Campbellton. (Isabelle Larose/Radio-Canada)
Pascal Bujold says he's trying to clarify the rules with New Brunswick officials because some people are being prevented from entering for no apparent reason.
He said he was not aware of the foundation's offer to support a legal challenge. "You can give them my number and I'll talk to them," he said, adding he preferred to sort things out with the province informally.
Comeau argued the law violated a provision of the Constitution that allows goods to move freely between provinces.
But the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in 2018 that New Brunswick's Liquor Control Act didn't violate that provision because the law's goal wasn't to limit interprovincial trade but to "enable public supervision" of retail alcohol sales.
Not contested yet
So far the federal government hasn't contested New Brunswick's power to restrict entry to the province.Last week federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc questioned the constitutionality of another Higgs government restriction, on temporary foreign workers.
But he said Ottawa "accepts that this is a decision that the New Brunswick government can make and did make."
Barron said that doesn't mean provincial border restrictions are legal.
"The federal government may be making a political or just pragmatic calculation," she said.
"It obviously has its hands very full right now and if it chooses not to act, that doesn't say anything about the constitutionality of the law and doesn't say anything about the rights that continue to be violated."
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Marc Bourque
Sounds like they are looking for a pay day lawsuit !!
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Worse
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks Higgy forgot that even though New Brunswick has existed since
1784 we still don't have Constitution yet. Hence we must defer to the
Federal one with its revised 1982 Charter that nobody is certain is in
force because of the failures of Meech Lake and the Charlottetown Accord
Whereas Higgy does not have majority mandate his dubious opposition should at least ask who is the "We" he is referring to below as he seeks another legal spit and chew N'esy Pas?
"Higgs said people have the right to challenge the constitution if there is a violation.
"We will defend the right we have to protect public health," he said
Whereas Higgy does not have majority mandate his dubious opposition should at least ask who is the "We" he is referring to below as he seeks another legal spit and chew N'esy Pas?
"Higgs said people have the right to challenge the constitution if there is a violation.
"We will defend the right we have to protect public health," he said
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al should soon know that I contacted these folks as well I liked Mr Lawlor but Mr Perry did not wish to speak to me So be it We are all cranky old Maritimers N'esy Pas?
Canadian and U.S. owners of New Brunswick seasonal homes facing lost summer
'Non-essential' visits to N.B. by non-residents forbidden, including hundreds who own camps, cottages
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: May 11, 2020 6:00 AM AT
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al know why I think Professor Emeritus Wayne MacKay is a pretty funny wannabe wiseguy N'esy Pas?
Today MacKay said even a charter challenge isn't airtight in this case.
Section 6, subsection 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says that "every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right to move to and take up residence in any province; and to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province."
This section has been cited as proof that the province's border restrictions are unconstitutional, but Mackay said he's not so sure that will hold up.
"It doesn't directly say anything about social contacts or tourism, the sort of non-essential things," said MacKay
"That doesn't mean they're not included, but they're not in any way directly included."
It would also be subject to the charter's reasonable limits clause which states that rights are "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
David Amos
Methinks whereas there were 2 articles about Pascal Bujold's concerns I thought only fair to contact Oulton College as well Higgy et la should not doubt that I called them too N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Hmmm
"Hossein is considering suing the province over what happened based on the legal protections the charter offers to them as Canadian citizens.
"I will not keep quiet," he said.
Premier Blaine Higgs spoke about the case during a news conference Friday, saying that while he wasn't aware of all of the details, it was "a most unfortunate situation."
Higgs said the province hasn't turned people away who are moving to New Brunswick
Asked if Daniel Arefi could be allowed into the province if he provides proper records, Higgs said, "I'm sure we could work through that."
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: For the record an email I sent on Friday that was acknowledged had the following Subject Line "Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?"
David Amos
Methinks it should be obvious the Higgy, the RCMP and the sneaky lawyer Mikey Comeau as to why I should call Hossein Arefi and Pascal Bujold again N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks Higgy el al should not deny that I don't respect the lawyer Dominic LeBlanc's opinion about anything since we first crossed paths in 2004 N'esy Pas?
"So far the federal government hasn't contested New Brunswick's power to restrict entry to the province.
Last week federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc questioned the constitutionality of another Higgs government restriction, on temporary foreign workers.
But he said Ottawa "accepts that this is a decision that the New Brunswick government can make and did make."
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: I
have not spoken to Hossien Arefi since Friday night after I told him a
lawsuit was the last resort I suggest that he review the comment
section and we were commenting within on Friday and make some more
responses to what was being posted about him and his family and clearly
he did and has not returned my calls since.
Go Figure why i think he and Higgy made a deal.
"Hossein is considering suing the province over what happened based on the legal protections the charter offers to them as Canadian citizens.
"I will not keep quiet," he said.
Premier Blaine Higgs spoke about the case during a news conference Friday, saying that while he wasn't aware of all of the details, it was "a most unfortunate situation."
Higgs said the province hasn't turned people away who are moving to New Brunswick
Asked if Daniel Arefi could be allowed into the province if he provides proper records, Higgs said, "I'm sure we could work through that."
Go Figure why i think he and Higgy made a deal.
"Hossein is considering suing the province over what happened based on the legal protections the charter offers to them as Canadian citizens.
"I will not keep quiet," he said.
Premier Blaine Higgs spoke about the case during a news conference Friday, saying that while he wasn't aware of all of the details, it was "a most unfortunate situation."
Higgs said the province hasn't turned people away who are moving to New Brunswick
Asked if Daniel Arefi could be allowed into the province if he provides proper records, Higgs said, "I'm sure we could work through that."
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
I just called Hossien Arefi again and he did not pick so I left him a
voicemail and wished him well and that I was done with his son's issues
with Higgy et al and would bother him no more
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Need I say that I like Pascal Bujold and support his concerns???
David Amos
Its almost 10.30 AM on Monday In support of Daniel Arefi and his Father I made two calls to New Brunswick legal aid on Friday not long after the news had broke that his son had been conned into pleading guilty.Now almost 3 days later some woman claiming to be from thei legal aid office calls me back on private number then refused to answer my question claiming she was not involved. Now I wonder who she really was and why did she call.
David Amos
Methinks
its quite a hoot that as soon as one SANB spindoctor with an
unbelievable name gives up the ghost and exits stage left. Two dudes in
Fat Fred City with real names step to the plate and start swinging at me
in defense of Higgy's Police State Hence the circus will go on N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Methinks our Crown Corporations do not understand Section 2 of the Charter N'esy Pas?
Tim
Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks you probably wont get any more than a couple votes once again if you run again N'esy Pas?
Tim
Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks they understand it better than you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim
Biddiscombe: I have been asking around about you because I don't
remember you from our days at FHS Rest assured that I am honoured
knowing that your buddies in the Fat Fred City Finest and the RCMP
didn't vote for me in 2006. Methinks you know why I will sue them to get
my old Harley back its a far more rare of a rig than your fancy
Corvette N'esy Pas?
George
Smith
@ Dallas Mcquarrie
They lost the beer fight and now have to stay home where they have nothing to do. So they start another losing law suit and cost the Province money fighting it. Is it a small claims suit? That would only require a few dollars each to pursue but would cost taxpayers much more to fight it. To quote Gerry Garcia and Robert Hunter " What a long strange trip it's been"
They lost the beer fight and now have to stay home where they have nothing to do. So they start another losing law suit and cost the Province money fighting it. Is it a small claims suit? That would only require a few dollars each to pursue but would cost taxpayers much more to fight it. To quote Gerry Garcia and Robert Hunter " What a long strange trip it's been"
David Amos
Reply to @George
Smith: Never mind the Grateful Dead take on things. Do you even know who
the lawyer Howie Anglin is let alone understand the wicked game going
on within Higgy's Police State? FYI I know somebody that came to New
Brunswick AFTER Danial boarded the plane back to Toronto
Tim Biddiscombe
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: "Did you report that person?"
Methinks there is no need because of folks right to privacy I could not say anything anyway. Furthermore the lawyers working for Higgy's Department of Public Safety should make certain that your buddies obey Court Orders from other jurisdictions or they will get sued in the other jurisdiction N'esy Pas?
Go Figure
"Department of Public Safety spokesperson Geoffrey Downey said over the last ten days, New Brunswick has allowed entry to an average of 1,680 personal vehicles daily, and turned away an average of 38.6.
He said on average, 22.2 passengers arrived by air in Moncton each day over the past ten days and 19.4 in Fredericton. A total of 6 people who arrived by air have been turned away and escorted to return flights.
"Everyone permitted to enter meets the definition of essential travel in the order."
Reply to @David Amos: Did you report that person?
Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @George Smith: Dont pay any attention to Mr. Amos. I know him and he is a bitter man.
Paul Estey
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: ya think??
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Estey:
I ask again are you the former Fat Fred City Finest dude who used to
hang around the courthouse until he got fired?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim
Biddiscombe: Methinks its interesting that you claim to know me when I
can't remember you I bet you are a cop N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: "Did you report that person?"
Methinks there is no need because of folks right to privacy I could not say anything anyway. Furthermore the lawyers working for Higgy's Department of Public Safety should make certain that your buddies obey Court Orders from other jurisdictions or they will get sued in the other jurisdiction N'esy Pas?
Go Figure
"Department of Public Safety spokesperson Geoffrey Downey said over the last ten days, New Brunswick has allowed entry to an average of 1,680 personal vehicles daily, and turned away an average of 38.6.
He said on average, 22.2 passengers arrived by air in Moncton each day over the past ten days and 19.4 in Fredericton. A total of 6 people who arrived by air have been turned away and escorted to return flights.
"Everyone permitted to enter meets the definition of essential travel in the order."
Dallas
Mcquarrie
I
would like to wish the Canadian Constitution Foundation the very worst
of luck with this selfish and dangerous lawsuit. The reality of the
pandemic justifies the border restrictions in the interest of public
health and safety,. I'm saddened that this group can think of nothing
better to do in the midst of national crisis than try to make that
crisis more difficult to overcome. May I suggest that members of the
Canadian Constitution Foundation move to the U.S. where they'll fit
right in with President Trump and his hard of thinking supporters.
David Amos
Reply to @Dallas
Mcquarrie: I remember you quite well from anti fracking days in 2010
when you played dumb with me before a lot of people got in trouble in
Kent County. Your organization under Maude Barlow has no trouble filing
lawsuits in your best interests Correct? So what gives you the right to
try to deny others the same privileges you enjoy?
Tim
Biddiscombe
Reply to @David Amos: And he has every right to his opinion.
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: As do I Methinks he should admit I have spoken with Mcquarrie 10 years ago and my reply was right on point. As I said to Mcquarrie remember our conversations clearly.However even though you and I went to FHS 50 years ago my friends and I can't remember you at all.Furthermore there is nothing said about in the the 1972 FHS yearbook to remind of you either.I see byway of the obits you did time in Ottawa and If you were ever a cop you must be long retired ny now but you could be double tipping somewhere for all I know right now. Whatever your vocation may truly be its clear to me that you always have your buddies in the Fat Fred City Finest and the RCMP to rely on just like they are relying in your to help cover things up about what went down in New Brunswick between the cops and I since 1982 N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: As do I Methinks he should admit I have spoken with Mcquarrie 10 years ago and my reply was right on point. As I said to Mcquarrie remember our conversations clearly.However even though you and I went to FHS 50 years ago my friends and I can't remember you at all.Furthermore there is nothing said about in the the 1972 FHS yearbook to remind of you either.I see byway of the obits you did time in Ottawa and If you were ever a cop you must be long retired ny now but you could be double tipping somewhere for all I know right now. Whatever your vocation may truly be its clear to me that you always have your buddies in the Fat Fred City Finest and the RCMP to rely on just like they are relying in your to help cover things up about what went down in New Brunswick between the cops and I since 1982 N'esy Pas?
George
Smith
Marguerite Deschamps @"George Smith: Then put your money where your mouth is, bet on it!"
This is the classic answer of those without facts to support a position. Call out someone with the put your money on it or bet on it. A totally bogus response any time it's used.
My comment "Looking at the cases of the virus on either side of N.B. says to me the province has been on the right track all along"
This is the classic answer of those without facts to support a position. Call out someone with the put your money on it or bet on it. A totally bogus response any time it's used.
My comment "Looking at the cases of the virus on either side of N.B. says to me the province has been on the right track all along"
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @George
Smith: I am speaking legally here. This is what this article is about,
not about the purity of the intention of the government. I'm willing to
put a bet that this law will not pass constitutional muster.
David Amos
Reply to @George
Smith: You know me George and you know i always put my money where my
mouth is plus a great deal more Correct?
Maureen Paras
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: These are not normal times. Surely if it were at a time where
we weren’t under the threat of a dangerous & life threatening
illness, it would be game on. The virus dictates necessary action and
I’m glad our government recognizes it. They are not the bad guys here.
This thing is highly contagious.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks if you are gonna speak legally then you should use your legal name N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: BS
Paul Estey
Reply to @David Amos:
Did you just really say that??? The points made by Ms. Paras are
factual. You obviously havent read about this virus and its effects on
mankind..
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Paul Estey:
Methinks if you had bothered to read you would have understood that I
was addressing the wannabe lawyer pretending speak legally without a
legal name However If you are the disgraced former Fat Fred City Finest
dude I truly believe you to be then you are on your own agenda in a
effort shield yourself from my next lawsuit about my Harley etc N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Estey:
Methinks even excops from Fat Fred City should be clued in enough to
figure how to find things the go "Poof" If not you can always ask
Higgy's and Roger Brown's best blogging buddy Chucky Leblanc N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
For the record one email I sent on Friday that were acknowledged had this in the Subject line "Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?"
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks Higgy et al
and the RCMP cannot deny that that they are well aware that i talked to
Hossein Arefi and Pascal Bujold AND sent them all the same email Now you
folks know it too N'esy Pas? "Hossein Arefi said. "A Canadian can live and work anywhere he likes in Canada."
Meanwhile the mayor of Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., says rules allowing residents of his town to cross to Campbellton for essentials are being applied arbitrarily and with no consistency.
The province's emergency order allows people to cross at Campbellton "to obtain groceries, prescription medication, and other necessities of life not available to them in their own community."
Rules need to be clarified
New Brunswick closed its borders to non-essential travel on March 25. That created friction in Listuguj First Nation, which some see as part of a larger community with Campbellton.
Pascal Bujold says he's trying to clarify the rules with New Brunswick officials because some people are being prevented from entering for no apparent reason."
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks folks should
wonder why Daniel Arefi's Father has not responded to hundreds of
comments posted within two articles over the course the past two days in
light of the fact he definitely did so out of the gate 3 days ago
Perhaps a lawyer told him not to N'esy Pas? Jen Corvec
Higgs is not Liberal so he's going to have all kinds of opposition and knocks and articles written about him like this. Also, some people should look back at the original story about Arefi and realise it wasn't the way it's being talked about in this article. There were many facts not mentioned here that made a good case for sending him out. Furthermore, usually the provincial and federal governments win court cases...
David Amos
Reply to @Jen Corvec: Welcome to the Circus
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jen Corvec:
Methinks Higgy et al and the RCMP cannot deny that they are well aware
that i talked to Hossein Arefi and Pascal Bujold AND sent them all the
same email Now you know it too N'esy Pas? "Hossein Arefi said. "A Canadian can live and work anywhere he likes in Canada."
Meanwhile the mayor of Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., says rules allowing residents of his town to cross to Campbellton for essentials are being applied arbitrarily and with no consistency.
The province's emergency order allows people to cross at Campbellton "to obtain groceries, prescription medication, and other necessities of life not available to them in their own community."
Rules need to be clarified
New Brunswick closed its borders to non-essential travel on March 25. That created friction in Listuguj First Nation, which some see as part of a larger community with Campbellton.
Pascal Bujold says he's trying to clarify the rules with New Brunswick officials because some people are being prevented from entering for no apparent reason."
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jen Corvec: Methinks Higgy et al and the RCMP cannot deny that
they are well aware that i talked to Hossein Arefi and Pascal Bujold
AND sent them all the same email Now you know it too N'esy Pas? "Hossein Arefi said. "A Canadian can live and work anywhere he likes in Canada."
Meanwhile the mayor of Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., says rules allowing residents of his town to cross to Campbellton for essentials are being applied arbitrarily and with no consistency.
The province's emergency order allows people to cross at Campbellton "to obtain groceries, prescription medication, and other necessities of life not available to them in their own community."
Rules need to be clarified
New Brunswick closed its borders to non-essential travel on March 25. That created friction in Listuguj First Nation, which some see as part of a larger community with Campbellton.
Pascal Bujold says he's trying to clarify the rules with New Brunswick officials because some people are being prevented from entering for no apparent reason."
David Amos
Reply to @Jen Corvec:
Methinks Higgy et al and the RCMP cannot deny that they are well aware
that i talked to Hossein Arefi and Pascal Bujold AND sent them all the
same email Now you know it too N'esy Pas?
"Hossein Arefi said. "A Canadian can live and work anywhere he likes in Canada."
Meanwhile the mayor of Pointe-à-la-Croix, Que., says rules allowing residents of his town to cross to Campbellton for essentials are being applied arbitrarily and with no consistency.
The province's emergency order allows people to cross at Campbellton "to obtain groceries, prescription medication, and other necessities of life not available to them in their own community."
Rules need to be clarified
New Brunswick closed its borders to non-essential travel on March 25. That created friction in Listuguj First Nation, which some see as part of a larger community with Campbellton.
Pascal Bujold says he's trying to clarify the rules with New Brunswick officials because some people are being prevented from entering for no apparent reason."
CHRIS MacGillivra
End game for this is that provinces cannot limit moving resources across provincial lines if there is federal benefit. Higgs won't stop this inquiry because he knows that in the end it will make it easier for Alberta oil to get to Irving refineries.
David Amos
Reply to @CHRIS
MacGillivray: I strongly disagree. People are not the same thing as beer
or oil. Methinks many would agree that Higgy is already flip flopping
bigtime and that the young fella will be back in SANB territory in short
order N'esy Pas?
Andre Legault
The Canadian Charter, Article 1 says: "The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
The "Emergency Measures Act (2011, c.147)" is a law in New Brunswick.
As per the Charter (which is not absolute) applies: "only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
I think they are going to have a tough hill to climb to say that it was unreasonable to close the borders.
David Amos
Reply to @Andre
Legault: Methinks to for the benefit of others I will disclose that
because of our prior spit and chew that I no longer care what you think
about anything and that you already received my one answer to your
attempt to bait me into another go around N'esy Pas?
Andre Legault
Reply to @David Amos:
N'est pas.
Jen Corvec
Reply to @Andre Legault: N'est ce pas.
David Amos
Reply to @Jen Corvec:
Methinks you and the Premier of Quebec's sneaky cousin don't appreciate
my fun with the Chiac Lingo but I bet Lucien's fans are still laughing
N'esy Pas?
Bruce Sanders
""We
would say that if you look at what other provinces have done, which is
impose a mandatory 14-day quarantine for travellers entering the
province"
BC and Alberta do not require this for travel from within Canada. Looking forward to this nonsense ending here. The court case will not be boring!
BC and Alberta do not require this for travel from within Canada. Looking forward to this nonsense ending here. The court case will not be boring!
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Sanders: True but I would love to see this matter before the courts
Anne
Crocker
David...I
suppose you are right to suggest the issue should run through the
courts...which it may well do, and NB taxpayers will have to pay to
defend the action. So be it. And maybe, now that we have hindsight to
inform us, your notion that premiers might wish to amend the Charter to
specifically deal with mobility rights during a potentially deadly
pandemic might be worth broaching.
However, the assumption that in 1981 the Government of Canada should have foreseen that such a specific issue as a pandemic should have been provided for is somewhat bizarre. Especially when the broader provisions of section 1 are applied.
However, the assumption that in 1981 the Government of Canada should have foreseen that such a specific issue as a pandemic should have been provided for is somewhat bizarre. Especially when the broader provisions of section 1 are applied.
David Amos
Reply to @Anne
Crocker: Methinks if you wish to address somebody you should use their
whole name to avoid misunderstandings N'esy Pas?
Andre Legault
Reply to @David Amos:
Context.
Context.
David Amos
Reply to @Andre Legault: Study before asking
Andre
Legault
Reply to @David Amos:
Still talking to me. A man of his word. Where did you see a question?
Still talking to me. A man of his word. Where did you see a question?
David News
If
they must, challenge the statute that Higgs used. Let i run through the
the courts to the supreme court. If they say the premier/s overstepped,
I know most people would not hope for that .
It will provide sufficient motivation for them the premiers to act in unison to amend the constitution. Then the issue is no longer an issue.
Am guessing that they are specifically trying to go after this as in the charter it talks about Mobility across the country and in the same breath notes that the notwithstanding clause cannot be used in Mobility issues.
So while they may technically have a case, it is only due to poor documentation by the authors of the constitution/charter that didn't more broadly define what powers could be enacted in a viral pandemic.
It will provide sufficient motivation for them the premiers to act in unison to amend the constitution. Then the issue is no longer an issue.
Am guessing that they are specifically trying to go after this as in the charter it talks about Mobility across the country and in the same breath notes that the notwithstanding clause cannot be used in Mobility issues.
So while they may technically have a case, it is only due to poor documentation by the authors of the constitution/charter that didn't more broadly define what powers could be enacted in a viral pandemic.
James Smith
Reply to @David News:
Viruses will come and go, some flu seasons will be worse than others,
but the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is our country's most sacred
document, has existed for 38 years, and should continue to do so. I
absolutely refuse to hand over any of my rights in an unconstitutional
fashion, as should anybody else proud to call themselves "Canadian",
whether in the midst of a pandemic or not. To protect our most scared
document, IS to protect our society's most vulnerable during the best,
and worst of times.
David Amos
Reply to @James Smith: Well put
David News
Reply to @James Smith:
James as a proud Canadian I will disagree with you . A piece of paper
is only as good as the intention and foresight of the authors. They are
not almighty or all wise, rather they are susceptible to all the same
failings any any other human being.
I would encourage folks that believe that their rights are being usurped to think again. The majority of us believe the governments are doing the right thing on this border issue. The role of the government is to protect the people. Even if it means temporarily infringing upon some of the Decreed Rights in the Charter.
As I said take them to court. If you are right the constitution will get amended and then it will be written into the document you so cherish instead of currently being implied.
I would encourage folks that believe that their rights are being usurped to think again. The majority of us believe the governments are doing the right thing on this border issue. The role of the government is to protect the people. Even if it means temporarily infringing upon some of the Decreed Rights in the Charter.
As I said take them to court. If you are right the constitution will get amended and then it will be written into the document you so cherish instead of currently being implied.
David Amos
Reply to @David News: You may rest assured that the Crown will encounter me AGAIN in Federal court in short order
David News
Reply to @David Amos: That would be wonderful, am sure they will enjoy the frivolity of the action.
Andre Legault
Reply to @James Smith:
See the caveat in Article 1 of the Charter.
See the caveat in Article 1 of the Charter.
James Smith
Reply to @David News:
I don't think you understand how legal precedent works. If the
challenge is successful, that doesn't mean the Charter gets rewritten,
it merely means that the current actions by our government will be
deemed in violation thereof, and that any and all action in the future
taken in the name of public safety must not impinge upon the rights and
freedoms decreed therein.
Andre Legault
Reply to @James Smith:
See Article 1 of the Charter. There is a caveat.
See Article 1 of the Charter. There is a caveat.
David Amos
Reply to @David News:
Methinks your words may have more credibility if you obeyed the rules
of this forum and used a real name as you insulted others N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David News: BTW Methinks I knew who a couple of the other people whom you were referring were N'esy Pas?
"David Peters Reply to @Craig Snow: 14 hours ago and many threads down
No, thanks. Ask David Amos about how effective taking the gov't to court is"
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @James Smith: There is more going on medically than the surface statistics and this is not just some tough Flu virus (different virus family). You really need to delve deeper and see how serious this really is. Certified medical professionals on social media keep up with the latest research (including from autopsies) are warning about the blood clotting issue, unique in what is happening compared to any other disease, and damage to various organs and nerves (including "Covid toes"). Also the cytokine storm is a real problem with SARS COV 2, more than other disease, and the damage that the over-reacting immune system does. The ACE 2 receptor is found in different areas of the human body and one autopsy even found SARS COV 2 in a patients cerebrospinal fluid. In short, medical research so far has never seen a disease with such a wide range of issues where there can be differences between patients. Anyway, there are some excellent sources that really help you and other people delve into the medical issues going on but CBC doesn't seem to allow much in the way of links.
"David Peters Reply to @Craig Snow: 14 hours ago and many threads down
No, thanks. Ask David Amos about how effective taking the gov't to court is"
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @James Smith: There is more going on medically than the surface statistics and this is not just some tough Flu virus (different virus family). You really need to delve deeper and see how serious this really is. Certified medical professionals on social media keep up with the latest research (including from autopsies) are warning about the blood clotting issue, unique in what is happening compared to any other disease, and damage to various organs and nerves (including "Covid toes"). Also the cytokine storm is a real problem with SARS COV 2, more than other disease, and the damage that the over-reacting immune system does. The ACE 2 receptor is found in different areas of the human body and one autopsy even found SARS COV 2 in a patients cerebrospinal fluid. In short, medical research so far has never seen a disease with such a wide range of issues where there can be differences between patients. Anyway, there are some excellent sources that really help you and other people delve into the medical issues going on but CBC doesn't seem to allow much in the way of links.
James Smith
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: IF I GET MY TOES AMPUTATED NOW AM I SAFE?!? OMG THE
HORROR!!!11!1!1! Hopefully you read the implied sarcasm.
Marco
Bernardo
Reply to @James
Smith: What if its damage to your heart, kidney or liver due to blood
clots or the cytokine storm? Before you become too sarcastic, delve
into what certified medical personnel are saying about the latest
autopsy findings. It's no joke. It's actually very serious. What good
are your rights when you have organ damage, nerve damage or lying in a
casket? What good are your rights if your misguided priorities get your
family, friends or neighbors injured or killed?
James Smith
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: If you have ever have any viral infection before in your life
(highly probably, we all have), it is almost certain someone has caught
it from you. It has passed on from that person throughout the
population. Eventually, an at risk person likely caught this same virus,
and unfortunately passed away. This has always been the case, still IS
the case, and will CONTINUE to be the case until the very last human on
earth draws their last breath. Just because this virus is novel doesn’t
make anybody along this hypothetical as-yet-to-occur viral chain of
infection that you’re alluding to, a “murderer”. This is completely the
absolutely preposterous new narrative that you and so many misguided
others are trying to convince others to accept. I don’t accept it, nor
should you. The purpose of my “freedoms” is that they add more life to
my years, as opposed to years to my life, and that my friend is the
entire point of existence.
Anne
Crocker
The
Canadian Constitution Foundation is clearly looking to rile up the
yahoos to fund raise. As a feminist, I cannot recall any occasion during
the past 40 years when they supported civil/human rights causes
embraced by those seeking equal pay, equal justice for the poor or
marginalized communities. I looked at the website and there was nothing
in their history that would lead me to believe they care at all about
making sure that all Canadians benefit from the Charter of Rights and
Freedoms.
However, when they decide to go up against the legitimate exercise of federal and provincial public health ordinances designed to protect NB residents/citizens as well as other Canadians from a deadly pandemic, which our government has managed to implement successfully with the support of the vast majority of New Brunswickers they can jump in the lake with all of their right wing supporters.
I would imagine their next cause will be to support the addition of “a right to bear arms”...quite predictable given their record.
However, when they decide to go up against the legitimate exercise of federal and provincial public health ordinances designed to protect NB residents/citizens as well as other Canadians from a deadly pandemic, which our government has managed to implement successfully with the support of the vast majority of New Brunswickers they can jump in the lake with all of their right wing supporters.
I would imagine their next cause will be to support the addition of “a right to bear arms”...quite predictable given their record.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Anne
Crocker: nothing that you support ergo they are a worthless
organization. The charter can’t be applied selectively.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Mason: I concur
David Guitard
There are s**t disturbers everywhere, even here in Canada.
David Amos
Reply to @David Guitard: Your point is?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: I make a statement right on point and it goes "Poof" Go figure
June Arnott
Don’t you dare take this to court to open our borders. It is NOT your fight as you DO NOT represent everyone.
David Amos
Reply to @June Arnott: Nor do you
James
Smith
Reply to @June
Arnott: Actually, the Charter DOES represent all Canadians. You're
welcome to move south of the border if you disagree with it's
provisions, and good luck to you if so.
David Amos
Reply to @James
Smith: Methinks your legal rights under the Charter follow you south of
the 49th as well Thast why we have Canadian Consulates N'esy Pas?
James
Smith
Reply to @David Amos: Normally I'd agree, though with what's currently going on down there I'm not so sure.
David Amos
Reply to @James
Smith: Trust that I know all about it I was falsely imprisoned in the US
of A in 2004 after running in the election of the 38th Parliament I was
held under the charges of "other" with no bail until my Clan compelled
the Canadian Consulate to sent one of their people and the RCMP to
visit me. Trust that when I showed them a signed letter I got from the
Governor General that was faxed to me just before the Yankees cut my
home phone line they quit laughing at me.
Lou Bell
Looking for a " guinea pig " ! With deep pockets !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: There ya go posting in your sleep again
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Dream on
Marguerite Deschamps
Dreaming of flying pigs!
David Amos
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Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: A little Deja Vu for you and Lou:
ENJOY
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From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:42:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop
Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him
home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?
To: David Amos
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You can be assured that all emails and letters are carefully read,
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nous avoir fait part de vos idées, commentaires et observations.
Nous tenons à vous assurer que nous lisons attentivement et prenons en
considération tous les courriels et lettres que nous recevons.
Dans certains cas, nous transmettrons votre message au ministère
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:42:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop
Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him
home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?
To: David Amos
Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly valued.
You can be assured that all emails and letters are carefully read,
reviewed and taken into consideration.
There may be occasions when, given the issues you have raised and the
need to address them effectively, we will forward a copy of your
correspondence to the appropriate government official. Accordingly, a
response may take several business days.
Thanks again for your email.
______
Merci pour votre courriel. Nous vous sommes très reconnaissants de
nous avoir fait part de vos idées, commentaires et observations.
Nous tenons à vous assurer que nous lisons attentivement et prenons en
considération tous les courriels et lettres que nous recevons.
Dans certains cas, nous transmettrons votre message au ministère
responsable afin que les questions soulevées puissent être traitées de
la manière la plus efficace possible. En conséquence, plusieurs jours
ouvrables pourraient s’écouler avant que nous puissions vous répondre.
Merci encore pour votre courriel.
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: BINGO
Lou Bell
CCF Lawyers - If you can't get your 15 minutes of fame with any relevancy , make it up and let the ignorant follow ! ( and pay )
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks its time for your nap N'esy Pas?
Reply to @David Amos: Roger that!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Roger had nothing to do with your nonsense
Lou Bell
Lawyers , and their
own " Make Work Project " , at others expense of course !!!!!!!!!!! They
know legally it'll be a bust , but financially , stretch it out as long
as possible and fill their pockets !!!!!!!!!!
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: Yawn Geez you are putting me to sleep
Marguerite Deschamps
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Reply to @Lou DumBell: Of course, you know the law!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks by your own confession she knows the law as well as you do Unless of course you really are a lawyer N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Whereas your SANB buddy has exited stage left now what do you have to say?
David Stairs
these poor so called
educated lawyers...they need to be taught that nothing overrules a
decision ensuring PUBLIC SAFETY...what a friggen bunch...
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Stairs: We hear ye, the second coming of J. J. Robinette!
Marguerite Deschamps
It's more complicated
than that. Just click on Beverley Kernan's link below about what the
Canadian Constitution Foundation article has to say about it.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks its interesting to see that you are accusing somebody of being that dude N'esu Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: It's quite a compliment, David! J.J. Robinette was among the best of the best.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you never even read my lawsuit N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should ask yourself why I do not consider it a compliment N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
For the record I confess I do partake of more than my fair share of
nuts and I hate lawyers with a passion Thats why I have sued more
lawyers than anyone else I ever heard of. Methinks that does not make me
a bad guy Perhaps just a little nutty to people who do not understand
ethics tis all N'esy Pas?
Rod McLeod
I think some of these people have too much time on their hands. Under extraordinary circumstances, some things have to change. The closures are permanent so play along. You might as well start suing businesses that closed and denied your right to spend money.
Rod McLeod
Reply to @Rod McLeod: The closures are NOT permanent. Sorry. Wish we could edit our posts.
David Amos
Reply to @Rod McLeod:
Why play along with this nonsense? Actually some closures ARE permanent
thanks to Higgy et al. Methinks some businesses and their former
employees with too much time on their hands might as well start suing
them N'esy Pas?
Anne Bérubé
All those poor lawyers in New Brunswick are so desperate to take any case. Let's say, the pandemic would have been disastrous, that same group would blame the borders not being closed, so there would be lawyers wanted to take that theory to court as well. One way or the other, no matter what, they want to show up their skills! Pathetic. You have no deaths whatsoever, stop this nonsense.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: The state makes the rules, it must live by the rules!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Please explain this rule to me real slow
Federal Courts Rules SOR/98-106
Rule 55 In special circumstances, in a proceeding, the Court may vary a rule or dispense with compliance with a rule.
SOR/2004-283, s. 11
Federal Courts Rules SOR/98-106
Rule 55 In special circumstances, in a proceeding, the Court may vary a rule or dispense with compliance with a rule.
SOR/2004-283, s. 11
George Smith
Looking at the cases of the virus on either side of N.B. says to me the province has been on the right track all along. That said I think these people are just rattling our cages. They'll just end up spending money and the province will win this hands down. It's an emergency and we're doing better than other provinces I can't see this going anywhere or having public support.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @George Smith: Then put your money where your mouth is, bet on it!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I always do
Maureen Paras
Look....we are in a state of emergency, therefore the premier has control of applying rules that continue to keep us safe, thus allowing us perhaps a little more freedom that other provinces because of it. Judging by the responses of some, I’m so glad you’re not in a position to make these decisions considering health and safety. Yes, our “rights” are going to be challenged right now. Can you not see the big picture?
Rob Mason
Reply to @Maureen
Paras: if you trade freedom for will eventually have neither. People
will do the right thing for the most part. We don’t need the government
looking over our shoulder from cradle to grave.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Rob Mason: should have said. If you trade freedom of security, you will eventually have neither.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Rob Mason: grrr. Freedom for security
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Rob Mason: Yes, people who will willingly trade freedom for security(safety) deserve neither.
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Old Ben was right about that
JoeBrown
Reply to @Maureen
Paras: Only thing keeping the welfare province NB afloat is Jt printing
money for people not to work. How long can that last?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @JoeBrown:
Where have you been all this time? All governments from all countries
have been printing money for decades! Now they don't even print it
anymore, they just pluck a number from cyberspace.
David Amos
Reply to @JoeBrown: "How long can that last?"
Until about the 12th of NEVER
Methinks thats because we could not afford such nonsense before it began N'esy Pas/
Until about the 12th of NEVER
Methinks thats because we could not afford such nonsense before it began N'esy Pas/
Maureen Paras
Reply to @JoeBrown: Who knows? in these unprecedented times there are no clear answers. We are however, in the fortunate position to start reentry into the workforce because of our seemingly low numbers. We should fare better than most provinces because of it. Why? (For those who believe your rights are being violated). Because we are not allowing the virus to freely flow into here. Why? Because there are strict government parameters. Why? Because some people will not abide or understand the implications and selfishly ignore the rules. Why? Because they are not informed about the nature, character, cost & destruction of Covid-19, or they don't care.
David Amos
Reply to @Maureen
Paras: Methinks whereas a lot of folks such as I don't believe what the
politicians or the corporate media say for very valid reasons Hence its
only logical that we won't buy their BS as they brankrupt us all N'esy
Pas?
Maureen Paras
Reply to @David Amos: What don't you believe?
David Amos
Reply to @Maureen Paras: WHO
Maureen Paras
Reply to @David Amos: I too am disappointed in the WHO as they should have recognized in February what effect this would have globally, but this convo and my comments above are pertaining to NB’s response to keep the virus out now. We can’t change the past so we have to use what works in preventing spread. These are unprecedented times so we have to sit and wait it out. The laws that are in place will change as the situation warrants.
David Amos
Reply to @Maureen Paras: Obviously I disagree
David Peters
Isn't it odd that to make the Senate an elected body with short term limits, there are all these rules in place that make it effectively unconstitutional...but, when the constitution doesn't suit the ppl who make the rules, it can just be thrown out, instantly, without any real debate?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David
Peters: Easy answer! You have to change the Constitution in order to
have an elected Senate while you invoke the Constitution to get an
unconstitutional law thrown out. The Constitution s rigid and difficult
to change.
David
Peters
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Difficult to change, to give the voter more say. Easy to throw out, when it's inconvenient for the rule makers.
Sounds about right. I'd still like to know exactly who, how and when the rules on what's essential and what's not got decided, though. It's crazy to give anyone, or any small, hidden group that kind of power, imo.
Difficult to change, to give the voter more say. Easy to throw out, when it's inconvenient for the rule makers.
Sounds about right. I'd still like to know exactly who, how and when the rules on what's essential and what's not got decided, though. It's crazy to give anyone, or any small, hidden group that kind of power, imo.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David
Peters: I agree that neither the Senate nor the the head of state or any
such positions should be nominated. Some of the opponents to changing
the Senate are from the Maritime Provinces because they have a more
significant representation for their population than the rest of Canada.
As to the head of state, you'd have to convince the Malarkey supporters
who cling to this vestige of a despotic system of a bygone era.
David
Peters
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
With the reality of internet connectivity like it is, with all the security measures that have been tried and tested, there is no reason why we shouldn't voting on the issues directly, imo.
With the reality of internet connectivity like it is, with all the security measures that have been tried and tested, there is no reason why we shouldn't voting on the issues directly, imo.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David
Peters: But you cannot trust the herd to always make the right
decisions. They'd often go for more bread and circuses.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "The Constitution s rigid and difficult to change."
Methinks notwithstanding a dire need for an ethical edit or two N'esy Pas?
Methinks notwithstanding a dire need for an ethical edit or two N'esy Pas?
McKenzie King
What NB has been doing has been overwhelmingly successful in stopping the spread of the virus here. While it's nice to have rights of movement, I would think that the Right to Life trumps everything else. Since a case like this is likely to take several years to reach a final outcome, it may not have any effect on the current situation. In any event, I would urge the government follow the same protocols in the future if needed. Let's not let a group of Toronto lawyers dictate how we protect the safety of our residents.
Billy Joe
Mcallister
Reply to @McKenzie
King: So I guess you are saying the Patrick Henry quote - "Give me
liberty or give me death" doesn't really do it for you
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe
Mcallister: Methinks much to the chagrin of the RCMP they must admit
that my Yankee plates on my old Hot Rod Lincoln still state "Live Free
or Die" N'esy Pas?
Bill Hamilton
Let the CCF spend their money, and if they are successful invoke the not withstanding clause.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Bill Hamilton The notwithstanding clause is not applicable. You'll be laughed out of the courtroom. Read below.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks there is lots of room for argument Furthemore its
way past high time such a clause was stress tested before the Supreme
Court N'esy Pas?
Most nbers support Higgs with keeping the borders closed. We have sacrificed a lot in the last two months especially the front line workers trying to protect the elderly. We have followed the rules and the numbers prove it. We are surrounded by provinces with high numbers. Why should we let a few selfish people ruin what we have accomplished?
David Peters
Reply to @Craig Snow:
Could be that by-passing the Constitution, the way it was done, was illegal. What were you saying about following rules?
Could be that by-passing the Constitution, the way it was done, was illegal. What were you saying about following rules?
Johnny Jakobs
Reply to @David
Peters: for the public good and safety trumps all. It's that simple.
You'd be complaining too if the hospitals were over flowing with dead
people.
David Peters
Reply to @Johnny Jakobs:
Who gets to decide whats in the public good though? That's why we have elections and a constitution, to protect the public from control freaks. Could be that the way this played out did way more harm than good.
Who gets to decide whats in the public good though? That's why we have elections and a constitution, to protect the public from control freaks. Could be that the way this played out did way more harm than good.
Craig Snow
Reply to @David Peters: Take it to court. Let's see how you make out
David News:
Reply to @David
Peters: Rules and laws are static thoughts, guides, processes designed
for normal times. If people are suggesting that just because a piece of
paper doesn't specifically say that you can do something and then there
is a need to do that something very specific to fulfill the main part of
the mandate as an elected member of the legislature. Then they would the politicians be called out for that too.
That rationale is a huge part of why our legal system is so broken and out of reach of most Canadians.
Personally I agree with Craig's sentiment and Higgs should continue to enforce restrictions at our borders until it is safe.
The wonders of free speech in a democratic society
That rationale is a huge part of why our legal system is so broken and out of reach of most Canadians.
Personally I agree with Craig's sentiment and Higgs should continue to enforce restrictions at our borders until it is safe.
The wonders of free speech in a democratic society
David News:
Reply to @David
Peters: The lovely thing about who gets to decide is that between
elections it is the elected members of the legislature. Not individual
citizens. Only at election time do we actually get a say that matters.
But we can all have opinions but they are just that.
David Peters
Reply to @Craig Snow: No,
thanks. Ask David Amos about how effective taking the gov't to court
is...and, really, how can anyone defend the way the NB energy sector has
been turned into such a political patronage cash cow? The only thing
that keeps the scheme going is that the press routinely looks the other
way, imo.
Besides, the whole point of constitutions is that they cannot be arbitrarily disregarded. When they are, gov't enters the realm of lawlessness. That's in no ones best interest, imo.
The constitution needs to be restored immediately, imo. Then let's talk about to handle pandemics in a way that doesn't turn our beautiful Country into a police state
Besides, the whole point of constitutions is that they cannot be arbitrarily disregarded. When they are, gov't enters the realm of lawlessness. That's in no ones best interest, imo.
The constitution needs to be restored immediately, imo. Then let's talk about to handle pandemics in a way that doesn't turn our beautiful Country into a police state
David Peters
Reply to @David News:
The problem with all that is that we have a mostly faceless, massive bureaucracy that doesn't change with elections. They are the ones who make many of the rules. I would love to know how many rules have been made up or changed, out of thin air, over the last 10 years, that didn't go through the legislature. It's getting out of hand.
The problem with all that is that we have a mostly faceless, massive bureaucracy that doesn't change with elections. They are the ones who make many of the rules. I would love to know how many rules have been made up or changed, out of thin air, over the last 10 years, that didn't go through the legislature. It's getting out of hand.
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @David Peters: "Do as I say- Not as I Do.' lol
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @David
Peters: Maple syrup is available in New Brunswick too...people have too
much time on their hands and too much financial help from Ottawa….time
to go back to work in a 'real world' this is way pass the time.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: Tell it to your hero, the elusive Higgs Bozon (without the "n").
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks everybody knows that I tell Higgy et al lots of
things byway of the phone, email and Twitter N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David News: "Only at election time do we actually get a say that matters"
Methinks after arguing many judges while suing legions of lawyers in the USA and even the Queen while running in 7 elections and watching people laugh at me I have every right to say that the people without the even the sand to use their true names as they argue the law and politicking get the governments you deserve N'esy Pas?
Rod Greene
To Joanna Barron, we New Brunswickers would rather not open our borders to the other province due to fears of them bringing in the virus, we stand by our PMs decision to remain closed until the situation is under control. Even though we have a much lower population, we still have some of the lowest infections in the country and would like to keep it that way. Maybe you could use your energy and focus it elsewhere...maybe somehow you can try to help the provinces with the biggest problems.
Thanks for you understanding.
Wire Paladin
Reply to @Rod Greene:
He Higgs) may think that he is the "PM", but he is not. If a healthy looking Canadian citizen wants to enter New Brunswick and Quarantine for 14 days there should be no reason they should be denied entry.
He Higgs) may think that he is the "PM", but he is not. If a healthy looking Canadian citizen wants to enter New Brunswick and Quarantine for 14 days there should be no reason they should be denied entry.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rod Greene: He's not our PM. Our PM is in Ottawa. He is merely a Premier playing dictator.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: please explain/list some actions that “make him a dictator “.
Easy to make blanket statements, harder to defend them. The NP had an
article crediting Cardy for his quick action and as a result we have a
low infection rate. Can you admit your political opposite did a good job
in this instance?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason: They were supposed to.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: the above does not constitute a reply/rebuttal. Please list
an example that’s makes Mr. Higgs a dictator?
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: will you give credit to Cardy in as much admitting he acted promptly and correctly?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason: He did. Imagine that, an NDP turned CONservative and the smartest one in the crew.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: even if it is grudgingly given, it is better than blind partisanship. I’ll take it.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason: Take it. It's the best you'll ever get from me.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: now about your statement that Higgs is a dictator. Care to provide an example?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason:
I will answer with your own words: [If you trade freedom for security, you will eventually have neither. People will do the right thing for the most part. We don’t need the government looking over our shoulder from cradle to grave.]
I am not convinced and neither you seem to be that these implemented measures are constitutional. Therefore a challenge may be warranted. This is how dictators operate.
I will answer with your own words: [If you trade freedom for security, you will eventually have neither. People will do the right thing for the most part. We don’t need the government looking over our shoulder from cradle to grave.]
I am not convinced and neither you seem to be that these implemented measures are constitutional. Therefore a challenge may be warranted. This is how dictators operate.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: if he truly believes in the outdated COR principals and in
fact acted like a dictator then he would remove language rights. He has
not and will not. While his closing the borders may have been with the
best of intentions it may not in fact end up being lawful. It is
disingenuous of you label him a dictator, if he truly was he would move
ahead with the master plan you accuse him of constantly.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: so you agree the federal liberal gun ban was implemented in a
dictatorial fashion? It will also be challenged and may be deemed
unconstitutional, political affiliation matters not. These are one in
the same.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason:
1. He cannot remove language rights. They are enshrined in the Constitution.
2. I did not accuse him "constantly" of being a dictator. I only did in this case.
1. He cannot remove language rights. They are enshrined in the Constitution.
2. I did not accuse him "constantly" of being a dictator. I only did in this case.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason: I
would have preferred that legislation had been passed in the
legislature in good uniform. Other than that, I see nothing preventing
the government to ban guns, any guns, in Canada if properly legislated.
And I'll put my money on it.
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: So exactly what do you want, a crisis with 100 deaths in New
Brunswick? Nobody can follow you here or figure out what you really
wish for….it is time for a pause, and realize that you have escaped a
pandemic!!! Gee, strange…
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @Rob Mason:
Exactly, Legault did exactly the same, closing borders including
Ontario, and everyone was on board (even the opposition), funny that the
only one who disobeyed was the Prime Minister!
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Wire
Paladin: Wire Palidin...San Francisco I guess it's telling of both our
ages. lol. I agree 100% If somebody wants to come here and willing to
self isolate why should they be denied?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Anne
Bérubé: I am not trying to convince you or anyone of anything. The
question here is a legal one, not whether or not we agree with the
confinement measures or not.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: You are off-subject here and your blue colour is showing.
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Wire Paladin: Wire Palidin San Francisco Lol. I agree 100%
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Rob Mason: The NP is you call it a conservative rag
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Rob Mason:
In all fairness she never said he WAS a dictator. She said he's PLAYING
a dictator. (as per state of emergency)
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: You can always expect folks to put words in your mouth here.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "He is merely a Premier playing dictator."
Oh So True However methinks many would agree that our PM in Ottawa is playing the same wicked game N'esy Pas?
Oh So True However methinks many would agree that our PM in Ottawa is playing the same wicked game N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "He cannot remove language rights. They are enshrined in the Constitution."
What of the failures of Meech Lake and the Charlotetown Accord? Methinks the Charter may not hold water but Diefenbaker's Bill of Rights certainly does N'esy Pas?
What of the failures of Meech Lake and the Charlotetown Accord? Methinks the Charter may not hold water but Diefenbaker's Bill of Rights certainly does N'esy Pas?
Greg
Miller
Reply to @Wire
Paladin: "Healthy-looking" now that's really a discriminate screening
methodology! You much have a med degree!!!!!
Greg
Miller
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Benevolent dictators are ideal in times of emergency!
Greg
Miller
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Are you from South of the border?
David Amos
Reply to @Greg
Miller: Methinks that far too many of friends of my forefather and too
many of my relatives too were killed in action battling folks who loved
dictators for me not to argue your nonsense The is mightier that the
sword N'esy Pas?
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: yet if he was truly a dictator a little thing like the
charter wouldn’t matter. See the difference.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Billy Joe
Mcallister: reading and understanding both points of view is a must. If
you only live in an echo chamber, then you have no diversity of thought.
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Mason: Good point
David Amos
Reply to @Rod Greene:
Methinks although you and Joanna Barron deserve other's letter writing
skills but trust that as you put pen to paper neither of you speak for
all of us N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Greenpeace became irrelevant , the CCF will be right behind them ! Nothing more tham Lawyer manipulated people with nothing better to do than NOT contribute to the well being of the country !
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Lou Bell:
We know how the CONservatives hate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms
contrary to the majority of Canadians which is for this very reason that
Pierre E. Trudeau was chosen the third best Canadian of all times ahead
of the CONservatives's icon Don Cherry. Go figure.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Thanks for the chuckle Methinks Quebeckers and SANB dudes are
too full of themselves N'esy Pas?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos:
David, I do not have time to answer all your queries, but I'll answer
this one. There are a lot of people in all walks of life and from
wherever they hail who are full of themselves, including Quebeckers and
SANB members. There are also some very nice ones. But as I always say:
"There are nice Quebeckers, but there is nothing more annoying than a
pestiferous Quebecker". - I'll bet you won't agree with me.
David Amos
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Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks I should thank you for another chuckle because
everybody knows this is quite likely the only comment of mine directed
at you that you dare to answer N'esy Pas?
Michel
Forgeron
Reply to @David Amos: Pot meet kettle.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel
Forgeron: Trust that I don't want to know you after you made fun of my
not having a Medicare Card However I would like to meet your lawyer
someday.
David Amos
Reply to @Michel Forgeron: Methinks you must have crawled back under your rock after I responded to your latest insult N'esy Pas?
Jef Cronkhite
Never underestimate the stupidity of human beings in groups......
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: And it's impossible to over estimate it.
David Amos
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: Methinks only a fool would try to understand lemmings or sheople N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
Or we could look at Alberta...Yan Gong, owner of CCA Logistics Ltd., said Friday...$120 for one face mask...Try and buy a Lobster here in the Maritimes...
Dan Lee
Reply to @Shawn McShane:
bought some last week at a fish store......7.75 a pound
bought some last week at a fish store......7.75 a pound
Roger Richard
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Crab is $5 a pound.
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Richard: WOW I know what we are having for dinner soon
Marguerite
Deschamps
Easy on the crab. There are enough crabby people on here as it is.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Trust that Roger and would love have you visit us for dinner I
would buy lots of lobster and wine for he and I to partake of and look
forward to you not showing up to eat the crabs I bought for you to
enjoy. Methinks you are what you eat N'esy Pas?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Then I take it that you eat a lot of nuts.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Buh Bye David! Nothing personal, take it in stride. I'm through arguing on here. Complete waste of time!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: YOU LOSE BUCKWHEAT
Leslie Russell
It is only through challenging laws that they can be improved. We either believe in the rule of law or we don't. Expediency is a slippery slope. It is not about whether we like the outcome this time or not. It's about minimizing arbitrary decisions by governments in a mature civilized society.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Leslie Russell: Exactly!
Shawn McShane
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Stop voting Liberal who make arbitrary decisions during a crisis.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Shawn McShane: I always vote ABC.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Leslie Russell: like gun laws. The Liberals actually banned the Black Rifle Coffee Company in the latest gun grab.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Good for you. No critical thought.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Almar: I do. Because CONservatives have no critical thought.
David Webb NB
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Blind partisanship is never a good thing. Give credit where
credit is due, and hold all governments to the same account for their
failings. Three one term governments in a row, should show you that
thinking people are not afraid to toss the garbage out when it stinks.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "I always vote ABC."
Not True Methinks you would never vote me either N'esy Pas?
Not True Methinks you would never vote me either N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I'll take your advice and not move over there. So I will never vote for you.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: What about Roger or my other friends?
Rob Mason
Reply to @Leslie Russell: “It's about minimizing arbitrary decisions by governments in a mature civilized society”
like the OIC the federal liberals just enacted regarding guns? Didn’t Trudeau campaign on fact based decisions?
like the OIC the federal liberals just enacted regarding guns? Didn’t Trudeau campaign on fact based decisions?
Marguerite Deschamps
We can argue this until the cows come home. Even if you think you won the argument, it will only give you some brownie points in cyberspace.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: My cow came home and it’s now hamburger. Won’t get another chance to wander off.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Almar: That's my point.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks the RCMP must remember my cows on Werner Bock's farm
dying under questionable circumstances in over 12 years ago while they
refused to investigate N'esy Pas?
John Smith
If you are so sure Higgs is right than you would think you would welcome a court challenge. Sounds to me like some are running scared.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @John Smith: You wonder eh?
Dan Lee
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Ithink he should have been allowed to stay.....he was here.....no idont think we should open the borders but we transported canadians from all over the world inluding China here
Ithink he should have been allowed to stay.....he was here.....no idont think we should open the borders but we transported canadians from all over the world inluding China here
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Dan Lee: Yup, use the poor sole as a scapegoat as an example!
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith:
Methinks Higgy and the RCMP should at least admit that I am too dumb to
know fear because I have sued the Queen before N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks I am a poor soul who is laughing at a worn out SANB
dude who does not have as great a command of the other official lingo
that he claims he does N'esy Pas?
Johnny Almar
It’s a no-win court case for the plaintiff.
If they are successful in their case and force the border to open, travellers will bring COVID with them and we’ll all be locked down again anyway.
It will probably end up in the SCOC and take about 1 year anyway. Waste of time.
Also, when you think about it, forcing us to stay home or to adhere to social distancing could be challenged in the same way.
Let’s just open it up and let Darwin do his magic.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Almar: By the time this case reaches the Supreme Court of Canada, we will have has a vaccine long before.
John Smith
Reply to @Johnny Almar: They could obtain an emergency order to re-open it while the case works it way through.
John Smith
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: IF you are so sure this is a non win for the plantiffs why are
you beeking off? Sounds to me like someone is afraid democracy will win
over a dictatorship.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: "It will probably end up in the SCOC and take about 1 year
anyway. Waste of time." - That's a thought. Maybe the case will get
tied up in the SCOC for long enough that in the meantime, either a
vaccine or an effective, safe and fast treatment will have been
developed and be ready for distribution. Then we can go ahead and lift
the restrictions.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: A few years!
Sarah Brown
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: The restrictions need to be lifted long before there is a
vaccine. Our civil liberties have been encroached on long enough. I
welcome this court challenge if it moves forward.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @John Smith: not typically how it works. The govt order stays in place til appeal process completes.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: Wrong! In most cases, unless the court that declares a piece of
legislation unconstitutional or the court it is appealed to so declares
that it will remain valid pending the appeal, the legislation falls
immediately after the ruling.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: If you'd advanced such a position before a judge, he would ask
you to back it up with jurisprudence. Dig it out!
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: Methinks things are never over until the fat lady sings whatever
you say before a matter even begins is irrelevant N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you try hard to talk like the lawyer you pretend you are not N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I'm no lawyer.
David Amos
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Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: If you are then you are not a wise one thats for sure.
However methinks I am just wise enough to not believe anything you claim
starting with your pretend name N'esy Pas? Tracy Rankin
Lets quote the SCoC decision part that they seem to forget to mention . "Any objective within a government's jurisdiction would seem to qualify, including simply enhancing general welfare." Meaning for the purpose of public safety, the "people" also have rights within a province as represented by their government. Even more powerful is the fact that we are under a declared state of emergency by the province. The NB government is acting to protect "its people" as the charter gives them the right to do so. This may in fact could mean the overriding of individual rights for non-essential items( as defined by the government). If its good enough for beer quota's , its certainly good enough for restricting travel in and out during a declared state of emergency. The Federal government didn't want to pick up the ball on this emergency ( after strong objection from other provinces) so they left the declared emergency in provincial jurisdiction. The Feds have only declared a pandemic emergency for the purpose of procurement and emergency funds. It was best perhaps to leave each province medical system to act independently
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Tracy Rankin: But it has to by a law properly drafted and constitutionally valid.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: If the Feds are involved you can be sure it won’t be. The gun
law is an example of poor law making.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny Almar: I agree about the federal bit, just ask Harper and his minions.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Almar: What would be your argument to challenge the constitutionality of
Trudeau's gun restriction law, the right to bear arms? Wrong country!
Rob Mason
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: not banning all semi automatic’s, exempting FN people. How about those 2 for starters.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Rob Mason: care to refute?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Rob Mason:
Nothing to refute here. Bring up the challenge in court, not here! So
he's the law discriminates against guns because not all automatic guns
are targeted. Well that is a lucid, well thought-out, intelligent
argument!
If FNs are exempted, well that one might fly though. Are you sure of that?
If FNs are exempted, well that one might fly though. Are you sure of that?
David Amos
Reply to @Rob Mason: How about you intervene in my next lawsuit and we will argue in the real world?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks everybody knows why the same challenge goes out especially to you N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos:
@David Amos: It does. And in this day and age, the jurisprudence is
available to anyone who is eager beaver enough to go look for it.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks you do not have the sand to argue me in a real court
of law or run against me for public office. Hence I have every right to
state whatever you claim on a webpage is just more hot air from a
spindoctor in cyberspace that will go nowhere fast N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
The rules may be for the good of us all, but they have to be done right and according to the law of the land. I'm sure the government has good intentions. But the road to hell is built with good intentions.
SarahRose Werner
Ray Bungay
I see the courts siding withe the need of urgency to keep NB peoples safe over non essential travel!! This is not about beer and where one hinks you get it. I thank Premier Higgs for what he has done here. Essential goods are stil moving in that food is moving, heck even their precious beer is moving.
David White
Lawyers looking for work?
David Amos
Marco Bernardo
New Brunswick will simply take a page out of Quebec's book. The Canadian Constitution Foundation can challenge what they want but it will not go anywhere when it comes to this health emergency. The medical safety of our communities in New Brunswick needs to take precedence over the rights of movement and relocation of individuals or family groups. Many New Brunswickers will vigorously support Premiere Higgs invoking the Not Withstanding Clause (Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms) to protect the province from such selfish actions. I'm a strong believer in the Charter but rights are not absolute. Social Responsibility must always balance Rights and Freedoms. If you don't agree, then just look at the self-interest focused American culture where social responsibility is most often not a balanced consideration. Have a really good look, via social media, at the chaos and devastation that their extreme Rights and Freedoms attitude has gotten them into, and it's only going to get worse. Please don't try to bring that flawed culture to Canada.
Tanner Smith
James Smith
PAPERS PLEASE! *SovietVoice
David Amos
Marguerite Deschamps
The rules may be for the good of us all, but they have to be done right and according to the law of the land. I'm sure the government has good intentions. But the road to hell is built with good intentions.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: It has yet to be proven whether or not the rules violate "the
law of the land." That's what the court case would be for.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: No argument here! Therefore there is no point discussing here the good intentions behind the law.
Marguerite Deschamps
Is the law Constitutional is the question here.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Yea Right
Ray Bungay
I see the courts siding withe the need of urgency to keep NB peoples safe over non essential travel!! This is not about beer and where one hinks you get it. I thank Premier Higgs for what he has done here. Essential goods are stil moving in that food is moving, heck even their precious beer is moving.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Ray Bungay: If you think so.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I don't
David White
Lawyers looking for work?
David Amos
Reply to @David White: Its worse than that
Marco Bernardo
New Brunswick will simply take a page out of Quebec's book. The Canadian Constitution Foundation can challenge what they want but it will not go anywhere when it comes to this health emergency. The medical safety of our communities in New Brunswick needs to take precedence over the rights of movement and relocation of individuals or family groups. Many New Brunswickers will vigorously support Premiere Higgs invoking the Not Withstanding Clause (Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms) to protect the province from such selfish actions. I'm a strong believer in the Charter but rights are not absolute. Social Responsibility must always balance Rights and Freedoms. If you don't agree, then just look at the self-interest focused American culture where social responsibility is most often not a balanced consideration. Have a really good look, via social media, at the chaos and devastation that their extreme Rights and Freedoms attitude has gotten them into, and it's only going to get worse. Please don't try to bring that flawed culture to Canada.
Tanner Smith
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: That’s cute. What if the tables were turned and NB was
infested? Here’s an idea, the majority Canadians are capable of making
responsible decisions on their own, or are you saying Canadians are
incapable of even that? The only selfish thing I’ve seen so far is the
hoarders, and the fear mongers, you know who you are.
JoeBrown
Reply to @Marco Bernardo: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-fear-of-covid-19-is-overblown-its-time-to-get-the-economy-moving-again?video_autoplay=true
You can't hide forever, because the country will starve first.
You can't hide forever, because the country will starve first.
JoeBrown
Reply to @Tanner
Smith: As long as JT pays him not to work it will be an uphill battle
even if Covid disappears from NB. Maybe even NA rid of Covid (impossible
to happen though) would not be enough for him to feel safe.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @Tanner
Smith: Our leadership was proactive and decisive and our public
exercised caution and safety without foolish protesting or resistance to
the emergency measures. I am saying that there have been many people
doing foolish things at a bad time. One too many people have brought
SARS COV 2 from Toronto to the Moncton airport, and seeded the virus in
our province. We are fortunate that with our measures, and cooperation
from our public, that we kept the multiple seedings contained and under
control. It is far too easy for this virus to get out of control as
many regions in Canada and the United States are demonstrating. Lastly,
yes, I absolutely do fear this virus for myself and for others in my
communities. I had H1N1 and experienced 3 weeks of living hell with 2
hospital visits. There is a lot more to that story, but suffice to say
that H1N1 gave me the beating of my life and it was a lesson learned.
From the time that Italian medical personnel were warning on social
media, and the early comparisons, I could see that SARS COV 2 was so
much more dangerous than H1N1.
Bob Smith
Reply to @JoeBrown:
You prefer to have the horror stories coming from the US, Europe,
Ecuador, Brazil as long as your wallet stays full? You do realize ANYONE
can contract Covid which has no vaccine?
Tanner
Smith
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: A Canadian citizen first. That means one people, united, in
every province and territory, even the ones we don't like. That's the
deal from the beginning until the very end. No one want's anyone to get
sick, and I feel for you, but the facts seem to point to the likelihood
that this is here to stay. It sucks, but we have to face it together,
responsibly, not arbitrarily.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @JoeBrown: We
have local butchers and bakers and plenty of live stock. New Brunswick
has a lot of rural farm land and we will have to learn to be more
self-reliant and increase our own agriculture. Especially if the supply
chains start failing. I appreciate that the selection will not be as
diverse as in the past. As for fruit, I think Apples are a delicious
fruit and plentiful. As for the rest of Canada, I truly feel sorry for
the workers at the large processing plants in Alberta and elsewhere.
There should have been safety first proactive action taken, given the
rapidly growing threat. I'm quite angry that they were not given that
consideration by operations management. Well, since that wasn't done
perhaps smaller scale processing can now step up. Traditional butcher
shops, like our great grandfathers generation, is one step towards
trying to keep people fed. Even Premiere Doug Ford of Ontario, has
talked about the issue of working to become more self-reliant when it
comes to essential products (not just PPEs). I hope the domestic
capability of all the different regions become stronger and more
self-sufficient and that each of them in turn become "safe zones" like
our province.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Marco Bernardo: I have already told you that the "notwithstanding clause" is of "NO" avail here.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Like mobility, language rights are supposed to inviolable
but, as you other post demonstrated, Quebec was able to invoke the
notwithstanding clause and get compromise with Bill 101 and the
prominence of the French language over the English language in Quebec.
If language is truly inviolable, as stated in the Charter, then English
should be displayed as prominently as French in Quebec. The Charter may
say mobility is inviolable but, as you can see, Quebec proved that
nothing is truly absolute. Health, safety and security arguments can be
presented an should have stronger standing in a pandemic than Quebec's
arguments decades ago. In summary, if New Brunswick cannot restrict
movement into the province then Quebec can no longer stop English from
being displayed as prominently as French within its province.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: Easy answer! Section 6 protects the mobility rights of
Canadian citizens which include the right to enter, remain in, and leave
Canada. Citizens and Permanent Residents have the ability to move to
and take up residence in any province to pursue gaining livelihood. The
notwithstanding clause can only be invoked to restrict sections 2 and 7
to 17 of the Charter and section 6 is not one of them. Kapish!
Marguerite
Deschamps
2 and 7 to "15" I meant to state.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: You are avoiding the direct challenge. In the Charter,
language rights are inviolable and is supposed to be exempt from the
Notwithstanding clause. How is it that Quebec managed to have French
more predominate than English by using the Notwithstanding clause to get
compromise. I want English displayed equally with French in Quebec if
it is indeed inviolable as the Charter states.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: They worded their legislation is a way not to violate language
rights. The sign law does not prevent anyone from putting a sign in
English or in any language provided there is a prevalent French
equivalent. Liberty of expression (section 2) was however violated which
can be overridden by the notwithstanding clause.
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Interesting detail Marguerite. Violating my expression,
which needs language to communicate with, even American Sign Language,
but not my language rights. Talk about splitting hairs. Maybe New
Brunswick can come up with an equally creative way to split hairs to
control mobility rights at our border. The last thing we need right now
is the Canadian Constitution Foundation causing distraction for my
provincial government in the middle of this medical pandemic. It's
people like this causing chaos in the United States with their
unbalanced sense of Rights and Freedoms and making the problem worse
than it had to be.
Rob Mason
Reply to @Bob Smith:
and 80% of those recover. The high mortality is the elderly with
underlying conditions. Let’s be rational about this. Some people
contract it and never know it but pas it on, this is not a death
sentence for the average person. Goal was not to overwhelm the
hospitals, that has been accomplished. It is time to open up and get
back to work.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "I have already told you that the "notwithstanding clause" is of "NO" avail here."
So YOU say EH?
So YOU say EH?
Marco Bernardo
Reply to @Rob Mason:
Delve deeper Rob. There is more going on medically than the surface
statistics. Certified medical professionals on social media keep up
with the latest research (including from autopsies) are warning about
the blood clotting issue, unique in what is happening compared to any
other disease, and damage to various organs and nerves (including "Covid
toes"). Also the cytokine storm is a real problem with SARS COV 2,
more than other disease, and the damage that the over-reacting immune
system does. The ACE 2 receptor is found in different areas of the
human body and one autopsy even found SARS COV 2 in a patients
cerebrospinal fluid. In short, medical research so far has never seen a
disease with such a wide range of issues where there can be differences
between patients. Anyway, there are some excellent sources that really
help people delve into the medical issues going on but CBC doesn't seem
to allow much in the way of links.
David Amos
Reply to @Marco Bernardo: Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas?
James Smith
PAPERS PLEASE! *SovietVoice
David Amos
Reply to @James Smith: Well put
Stay out. We don't want your germs. If you don't live here you don't belong here.
James Smith
Reply to @Lorraine Morgan: might as well be a Donald Trump quote. Despicable, Lorraine.
Tanner Smith
Reply to @Lorraine Morgan: I live here, and I don't want you here.
David Amos
Reply to @Tanner Smith: I concur
David Amos
Methinks Higgy and his buddy Jason Kenney can bet thin Canadian dimes to fat Yankee petrodollars that I will be calling Pascal Bujold, Maire de la municipalité de Pointe à la Croix N'esy Pas?
Errol Willis
Reply to @David Amos: What was that babble about?
David Amos
Reply to @Errol Willis: Ask them
Graham MacNab
Reply to @Errol Willis: It's just David making everything about David... again.
David Amos
Graham MacNab
Reply to @Errol Willis: It's just David making everything about David... again.
David Amos
Reply to @Graham MacNab: So YOU Say
Paul Bolton
In life...timing is everything.
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Bolton: Methinks every decent mechanic knows that N'esy Pas?
Marguerite DeschampsReply to @David Amos: Ha! Ha! Good one!
Chris Waddell
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: - Good lord, don't encourage him please!
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Chris Waddell: I can appreciate a good line, no matter who comes up with it. Rebels do serve a purpose, you know.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Who are you to accuse me of being a Rebel???
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: You aren't?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: DUHHH??? Rebels don't file whistle-blower forms and
definitely don't run for public office 7 times
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Sorry, my bad! Renegade maybe?
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: I am a real person with a real name with no Medicare Card and
Clan who has suffered greatly on both sides of the 49th Who are you to
judge me with a fake name?
Peter Churcher
New Brunswickers support the border closing.
James Smith
Reply to @Peter Churcher: No, “we” don’t. Speak for yourself, I support the Charter.
David Amos
Reply to @James Smith: Me Too Kinda Sorta
Methinks Higgy the former wannabe CoR Party leader and everybody else knows that much to the chagrin of the SANB I didn't appreciate Trudeau the Elder making New Brunswick Canada's only bilingual province but whereas it was done the Crown should learn to obey its own rules N'esy Pas?
Methinks Higgy the former wannabe CoR Party leader and everybody else knows that much to the chagrin of the SANB I didn't appreciate Trudeau the Elder making New Brunswick Canada's only bilingual province but whereas it was done the Crown should learn to obey its own rules N'esy Pas?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @James
Smith: I support both and don't see a conflict between them in
maintaining reasonable control of our borders to protect the health and
lives of our province's residents.
Greg Miller
Reply to @James Smith: He is not just speaking for himself!
David Amos
Reply to @Greg Miller: Methinks the rest od us should not be surprised at your revelation N'esy Pas?
Guy Richard
Canadian Constitution Foudation is funded by the Trudeau foundation.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Guy
Richard: Source of information = ? What I found when I dug around is
that the Canadian Constitution Foundation has, on occasion, launched
suits against the Trudeau government. Furthermore 60% of their revenue
comes from receipted donations, which would not include other charitable
foundations. 39% of their revenue is from other charities, but most of
their money comes from individuals and businesses.
David Amos
Reply to @Guy Richard: Go Figure
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks I should ask howcome you don't check my work with the CRA and Its Minister so thoroughly N'esy Pas?
Vernon McPhee
If
section 91 and 92 together did mean that the provincial government has
absolutely no jurisdiction on inter-provincial movement of goods or
people then the CCF would never had lost their challenge in the beer
importation decision. In fact that decision said that the intent of the
alcohol importation law was in the provincial jurisdiction i.e. health
and welfare which is the same area as the fight against contagious
disease.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Vernon McPhee: The courts may beg to differ.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks thats the fun part N'esy Pas?
Troy Murray
Karma will take care of that group
David Amos
Reply to @Troy Murray: Heres Hoping
Beverley
Kernan
Big difference between borders restricting flow of corona beer vs flow of corona virus.
Michael Hatfield
Reply to @Beverley
Kernan: Nice !!!! I love your wit !!! I sure wasn't expecting to read
THAT one.. Well done and thanks for the chuckle.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Beverley Kernan: In all seriousness, he may be right.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: So YOU Say EH?
Lou Bell
Obviously these people represent the 1 % who have nothing better to do but be s__t disturbers , with no common sense , and who have nothing better to do than to waste taxpayers money and to be manipulated by those representing them , solely for the " big bucks " they can pick out of the wallets of the ignorant !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Cry me a river
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: Is that the theme song of the " ME Party " ???
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Nope Methinks Higgy et al would agree that it should be it the Green's theme song N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al know why my advice to Hossein Arefi and his son is not to trust the Canadian Constitution Foundation as far as they can throw them N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: There are some people whose ideas just aren't defensible !
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lou Bell: Mr. Arefi should make his own judgement !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Why not call Mr. Arefi and tell him yourself instead of crying about his troubles all day long?
David News
Oh my!! This is beyond absurd. They have no case at all. The individual in question told the police that he was visiting. Then the story changed when he was told he couldn't visit.
The province under the emergency act has the ability to close internal borders temporarily for the purposes of public health.
End of story
David Amos
Reply to @David News:
Methinks whereas Higgy et al claim they don't know the whole story yet
so there is no way you could N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: David News [not you], another know-it-all! End of story? Not so simple, like he is.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Who have you talked to about this issue that I have not?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: No one!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks you must admit that all you know about any of this
is what you discover in the media while I talk to the people involved
before it becomes news for you to pick apart N'esy Pas?
Mac Isaac
To these constitutional wannabes I have 3 words...G.F.Y.! There are times, and this is one of them when health and safety concerns trump (GAWD, I hate that word!) these constitutional arguments. I venture to say that most sane people would also agree with the draconian steps taken by government and others across this country.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Beware of the tyranny of the majority!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Have you ever had an original thought?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Let me think.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks that would be an interesting task for you N'esy Pas?
SarahRose Werner
Considering that Arefi plead guilty and even declined to make a statement to the court when offered a chance to do so, he's hardly an ideal test case.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Agreed!
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: He would have to apply to be permitted to withdraw his guilty
plea, an almost insurmountable hurdle.
David Amos
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: True However methinks we Maritime Hillbillies know that there
more than one way to skin a cat than what is dreamt of in your fancy
Yankee philosophy N'esy Pas?
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos:
"There are nearly as many ways to skin a cat as there are lazy students
who don't really care, and want to leave the lab early."
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks its interesting that you agree with a Proud
Hillbilly you think is beneath you N'esy Pas?
Justin
Time
Under
normal circumstances during normal times this group might have a claim.
But these are far from normal times and they call for unprecedented
measures to control a deadly virus and save lives. 2725 dead in Quebec,
1540 dead in Ontario, 46 dead in Nova Scotia. Selfish individuals who
seem to have little regard for the majority of the people in the
country, in particular the sick and elderly, have little support from
the rest of society. A lawsuit that challenges the current quarantine
will have little chance of succeeding and would be a total waste of this
groups and taxpayers dollars. I'm quite comfortable with keeping our
borders closed while this virus ravages neighboring provinces and I
believe most of New Brunswick's population feels the same way. As for
Mr.Arefi ,who knows what the real story is.
Sarah Brown
Reply to @Justin
Time: Just because these are extraordinary times we are living in does
not mean that keeping provincial borders closed is legal or
constitutionally correct for each province to do. Canadians are
guaranteed free movement in this country under the charter.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Sarah Brown:
But as the UNB Law prof pointed out; the charter rights of an
individual is not absolute. Courts will weigh and balance those rights
against the common good. In this case the common good is being served
and it has served us very well. No judge would disagree. It is money
wasted to take this to court. A supreme court challenge costs a minimum
of $100,000 and that is on top of costs for the court of Queen's Bench
and NB Court of Appeal. Probably looking at $250,000 in legal costs for
each side before this is done.
Marguerite
Deschamps
Reply to @Justin Time: "As for Mr.Arefi ,who knows what the real story is." - One thing i agree with you for sure.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite
Deschamps: Methinks you should ask Mr. Arefi if he was talking to me
BEFORE we found out that his son and been conned by the Crown to plead
guilty and what we have discussed since if you truly wish to know the
"Real Story " Trust that Higgy and the RCMP will never tell the truth
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos:
Methinks even you must wonder why Mr. Arefi has not responded to
anything for the past two days N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks he has found a lawyer and has been told to clam up N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/arefi-airport-moncton-follow-1.5562273
Father heartbroken after son refused entry to province
Father of Daniel Arefi says his 19-year-old was moving to Moncton and hoped to start a business
CBC News · Posted: May 09, 2020 7:00 AM AT
Hossein Arefi, the father of Daniel Arefi, says his son was trying to move to New Brunswick. (Shane Magee/CBC)
Hossein Arefi moved to Moncton in late January and in recent weeks he and his wife had convinced their 19-year-old son, Daniel Arefi, to join them.
Daniel had been living and working as a barber in Toronto. But when he lost his job in March, Hossein made arrangements for his son to rent an apartment in the same building where he and his mother live.
"The best thing, I told my son, about the difference between Moncton and Toronto is that everybody knows each other," Hossein said in an interview Friday.
"No matter if you are white or black, famous or in hospitality, you will see them in church, in the shops, in the market, on the road. … they are welcoming you in any door. They are keeping the door open for you."
But his view changed Thursday afternoon after his son landed at the Greater Moncton Roméo LeBlanc International Airport on a WestJet flight.
"What the city did with me and my family and my son, it was -" Hossein said, trailing off. "It will not be forgotten. I'm sorry to say I will not keep quiet. I'll fight for that."
I will not keep quiet.- Hossein Arefi
He said his son had arrived using a one-way ticket and lugging three bags with all his belongings.
At the airport, Department of Public Safety peace officers stationed there to screen incoming passengers asked about the purpose of Daniel's travel.
The officers have been posted in the province's airports since April 25 because of the pandemic. With limited exceptions, only essential travel is permitted under the province's state of emergency. People are allowed to move into the province, though they must self-isolate.
Daniel Arefi, 19, pleaded guilty to violating New Brunswick's emergency measures rules. (Submitted by Hossein Arefi)
Hossein said when asked why he was in Moncton, his son answered he was visiting his parents, an answer that resulted in his trip being deemed non-essential.
Daniel was ordered to self-isolate at a hotel and depart on the next flight back to Toronto on Sunday.
His father says it was a misunderstanding between his son and the peace officers about the purpose of his trip.
At the airport, Hossein told CBC he tried to show the peace officers the apartment rental agreement and begged them to give his family a day to sort it out and obtain photo identification for Daniel from Service New Brunswick.
After several hours, Daniel was issued a ticket for violating the province's Emergency Measures Act and taken into police custody where his phone was taken away.
Daniel Arefi spent hours at the airport where his father says he tried to tell peace officers he was moving to Moncton. (Shane Magee/CBC)
Hossein said at one point he was locked out of the airport, knocking on the window "without any power to help" as he tried to speak to his son who was still inside and in handcuffs.
"They break my heart deeply," he said. "I heard his mother crying since last night when she came to the airport."
Daniel appeared before a Moncton provincial court judge by phone on Friday from RCMP holding cells. He pleaded guilty to the charge and was fined the minimum $292.50 and ordered to be driven to Fredericton to board a flight back to Toronto that afternoon.
Nothing was said in court about the apparent plans for him to move to Moncton. A duty counsel lawyer representing him said Daniel was pleading guilty on his own accord. Bernadette Richard told CBC outside court she had "no information" about the plan for him to move to New Brunswick.
His son told him that the prosecutor had warned he could remain in custody for several days if he pleaded not guilty.
"He was happy that he's travelling to come and see his uncle, his aunt, his father, mother and all his cousins here."
Hossein said being placed in handcuffs and spending a night in police custody left his son feeling pressured.
'He was afraid'
"He was afraid," his father said. "They told him that you will be facing a jail penalty if you didn't plead guilty."His father said Daniel will likely stay with a friend in Toronto since he had given up his apartment, and will now have to find a new place of his own.
Hossein is considering suing the province over what happened based on the legal protections the charter offers to them as Canadian citizens.
Premier Blaine Higgs spoke about the case during a news conference Friday, saying that while he wasn't aware of all of the details, it was "a most unfortunate situation."
Higgs said the province hasn't turned people away who are moving to New Brunswick
Asked if Daniel Arefi could be allowed into the province if he provides proper records, Higgs said, "I'm sure we could work through that."
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David Amos
Too Too Funny Indeed
"Premier Blaine Higgs spoke about the case during a news conference Friday, saying that while he wasn't aware of all of the details, it was "a most unfortunate situation."
Higgs said the province hasn't turned people away who are moving to New Brunswick
Asked if Daniel Arefi could be allowed into the province if he provides proper records, Higgs said, "I'm sure we could work through that."
Need I say BS AGAIN???
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: Way to go David! 100% agree with you again!
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Scroll down for a little Deja Vu
Chantal LeBouthi
Seam that’s if you lies to the agents you get in just like that in nb
Seam the trick is don’t say visiting but moving In nb
Until the Covid19 is done then will move back out
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: You have to know how to concoct a good story.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Im so mad about seeing Quebec plate in nb
Especially knowing they are just going to their cottages
Im so mad about seeing Quebec plate in nb
Especially knowing they are just going to their cottages
David Amos
Reply to @Chantal LeBouthi: I understand your anger but Daniel Arefi is no "Agent"
Marguerite Deschamps
Don't get mad Chantal, get even.
Chantal LeBouthi
Reply to @David Amos:
Or à Québec person
Or à Québec person
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You know thats what I do
Joel Villeneuve
Gotta say this rubs me the wrong way. The right to come together as a family during difficult times is somehow LESS essential than the government selling me weed (even though it was willing to arrest me for doing so like 2 years ago)?
Robert Langue:
Reply to @Joel Villeneuve: That's quite the deflection. Weed has nothing to do with this story.
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Joel Villeneuve: Neither one are important.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Maybe not to you, but to some of us who can vote here.
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks I know why you SANB dudes never voted for me N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I do not live in Fundy Royal
David Amos
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I do not live in Fundy Royal
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks very few SANB dudes do for rather obvious reasons N'esy Pas?
Miles Gahan
There is more to this story than what is printed here. Some things are left out. The police may have a different viewpoint of the situation.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Miles Gahan: I'm sure they do.
Jerry Maclennan
Reply to @Miles Gahan: Agree. Rules are rules.
David Amos
Reply to @Miles Gahan: Trust that the RCMP know I do
John Smith
Reply to @David Amos:
you mean the same RCMP that did not warn families in N.S. that a fake
RCMP officer complete with fake police car was on the loose? Ok
(chuckle)
David Amos
Reply to @Jerry Maclennan: Pleas explain this rule to me real slow
Federal Courts Rules SOR/98-106
Rule 55 In special circumstances, in a proceeding, the Court may vary a rule or dispense with compliance with a rule.
SOR/2004-283, s. 11
Federal Courts Rules SOR/98-106
Rule 55 In special circumstances, in a proceeding, the Court may vary a rule or dispense with compliance with a rule.
SOR/2004-283, s. 11
David Amos
Reply to @John Smith: YUP
Billy Joe Mcallister
Mr Hossein, I just want to say that most people in this province are not heartless bigots like some who comment on these pages. Most people are very kind and understanding. Unfortunately the hateful bigots are the ones who have the most to say. I personally wish all the best to you and your family in hopes that this situation gets resolved in your favour very soon.
Marguerite Deschamp
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Yet they criticize CBC who gives them a free forum to spew their venom.
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe
Mcallister: Methinks Mr. Hossein did a pretty good job telling the
bigots off after he and I had a long talk last night In fact he
responded to you in a positive fashion N'esy Pas?
Douglas James
Sounds like overzealous faux cops who've been given too much power for a day.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Douglas James: Not 100% sure, as always, but I have my suspicions.
David Amos
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Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: A little Deja Vu for you and Andre Legault:
ENJOY
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Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:42:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop
Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him
home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?
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ENJOY
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Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 17:42:52 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop
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Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, gdhicks@shaw.ca, mapleparty@yahoo.ca, Norman
Traversy <traversy.n@gmail.com>, david eggen
< david.eggen@assembly.ab.ca>, "david.eby.mla"
< david.eby.mla@leg.bc.ca>, joel@joelharden.ca, "jagmeet.singh"
< jagmeet.singh@parl.gc.ca>, "andrew.scheer"
< andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>, "Anderson-Mason, Andrea Hon. (JAG/JPG)"
< Andrea.AndersonMason@gnb.ca>, "PETER.MACKAY"
< PETER.MACKAY@bakermckenzie.
< Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>,
Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, "Ian.Shugart"
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https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks Higgy et al know why my advice to Hossein Arefi and his son
is not to trust the Canadian Constitution Foundation as far as they
can throw them N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#nbpoli #cdnpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Group looking for test case to challenge Higgs decision to close N.B. borders
The Canadian Constitution Foundation says restrictions violate two
constitutional provisions
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: May 09, 2020 6:00 AM AT
99 Comments
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al know why my advice to Hossein Arefi and his son
is not to trust the Canadian Constitution Foundation as far as they
can throw them N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: There are some people whose ideas just aren't defensible !
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lou Bell: Mr. Arefi should make his own judgement !
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: Why not call Mr. Arefi and tell him yourself
instead of crying about his troubles all day long?
---------- Original message ----------
From: Howard Anglin <howard.anglin@gov.ab.ca>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 16:18:52 +0000
Subject: Re: YO Howie Anglin Methinks the Canadian Constitution
Foundation should sue me if they think they can put a muzzle on me
N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Usubscribe
---------- Original message ----------
From: Joanna Baron <jbaron@theccf.ca>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 11:15:41 -0400
Subject: Re: YO Howie Anglin Methinks the Canadian Constitution
Foundation should sue me if they think they can put a muzzle on me
N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Again, I do not wish to receive these emails.
Thanks.
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 11:10 AM David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
wrote:
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 12:10:12 -0300
Subject: YO Howie Anglin Methinks the Canadian Constitution Foundation
should sue me if they think they can put a muzzle on me N'esy Pas?
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"Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "blaine.higgs"
<blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joanna Baron <jbaron@theccf.ca>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 09:26:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Methinks whereas Higgy now Tweets his Police State's news
it only follows that he reads my Tweets about his nonsense N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Please remove me from your list.
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:11 AM David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
wrote:
> https://twitter.com/
>
>
> David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
> Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
> Methinks whereas Higgy now Tweets his Police State's news it only
> follows that he reads my Tweets about his nonsense N'esy Pas?
>
>
> https://davidraymondamos3.
>
> #nbpoli #cdnpoli
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>
>
> ROUND TWO
> N.B. reports no remaining active cases of COVID-19
> Of the 118 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick, the province
> says all have recovered
> Philip Drost · CBC News · Posted: May 02, 2020 1:31 PM AT
>
> New Brunswick put out numbers on Saturday showing it is the first
> province to have no active cases of COVID-19. (Government of New
> Brunswick/Submitted)
>
>
> 41 Comments
>
>
> David Amos
> Methinks I should holler BINGO then ask Higgy why are we still locked
> down Nesy Pas?
>
> Terry Hughes
> Reply to @David Amos:
> you just don't get it do you !!!!!!
>
> Terry Hughes
> Reply to @Terry Hughes: We need to keep it locked down for a bit longer
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Terry Hughes: Methinks whereas your hero Higgy now Tweets
> his Police State's news it only follows that he reads my Tweets about
> his nonsense N'esy Pas?
>
>
>
>
> Carl Douglas
> How long are we supposed to self isolate when in contact or with symptoms?
> Are we supposed to social distance in our household bubbles?
> How many days has our province been self isolated? Provincial borders
> closed when?
> Can a province be a bubble? What constitutes a bubble?
> Are the borders still closed? 14-day quarantine? Contact tracing?
> How many people have been infected in NB? Recovered?
> What is the mortality rate for virus in NB?
> What is the mortality rate of influenza? Social distance? Close
> borders? Close businesses?
> What % of NB has the antibodies? Asymptomatic? Tests? Should we know
> the results?
> Can a province be a bubble? Do we social distance in our household bubbles?
> How many people in the province are at risk? Who make up this risk group?
> Would it be easier to contain at risk or entire province?
> What is a health crisis? No mechanism of control? Did self isolation
> work? % Infected? Mortality rate?
> When does a health crisis end? No infections? No deaths? Vaccine? Herd
> Immunity?
>
> Andre Legault
> Reply to @Carl Douglas:
> One.
>
> john smith
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: 60-80 % for herd immunity vaccines will be
> forced everyone just went along with the precedent set by cardy, how
> many people really were infected probably a lot. the mechanism going
> forward should be swedish model isolating risk groups lowered immune
> people and elderly watch other jurisdiction and professional hospitals
> for treatment ignore who , gates foundation and as sad as it is the
> moist speaking pm,
>
> john smith
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: patent w02020060606 used to prove immunity of
> the wuhan flu then to buy and sell
>
> john smith
> Reply to @john smith: on your hand or forehead somebody isolated on
> patmos had a dream about this along time ago
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: Methinks the reason this article had no
> comment section when it was first published was to avoid questions
> such as yours N'esy Pas?
>
>
>
>
> Terry Tibbs
> OH NO, tell me it's not so..................
> "The province plans fewer press briefings from now on. They will be
> held on Monday, Wednesday and Friday."
> Should we be expecting more tales of woe from SJ?
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Mais Oui
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)" <
> fin.minfinance-financemin.fin@
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:15:25 +0000
> Subject: RE: Methinks this email will put Howie Anglin and Dominic
> Lebanc's fancy knickers in quite knot N'esy Pas Higgy?
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
> Due to the evolving COVID-19 situation, we apologize in advance for
> any delay in responding to your enquiry. In the meantime, information
> on Canada's COVID-19 Economic Response Plan is available on the
> Government of Canada website at
> www.canada.ca/coronavirus<http
> calling 1-800 O Canada (1-800-622-6232) or 1-833-784-4397.
>
> Le ministère des Finances Canada accuse réception de votre courriel.
> Nous vous assurons que vos commentaires sont les bienvenus.
> En raison de la fluidité de la crise de la COVID-19, il est possible
> que nous retardions à vous répondre et nous nous en excusons.
> Entre-temps, les informations au sujet du Plan d'intervention
> économique du Canada pour répondre à la COVID-19 sont disponibles dans
> le site Web du gouvernement du Canada au
> www.canada.ca/coronavirus<http
> composant le
> 1-800 O Canada (1-800-622-6232) ou le 1-833-784-4397.
>
>
>
> > ---------- Original message ----------
> > From: Office of the Premier <Premier@gov.ab.ca>
> > Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 14:45:34 +0000
> > Subject: Automatic reply: RE Cracks in political unity appear, but
> > Higgs holds firm on temporary foreign worker ban and my call to Nat
> > Richard
> > To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
> >
> > Thank you for contacting the Premier of Alberta.
> >
> > Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Alberta has declared a state of
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> > experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of emails. Please call
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> > canada.ca/covid-19<
> https://www.canada.ca/en/
> >
> > for the latest and most accurate information.
> >
> > Please note that Employment Insurance (EI) and the Canada Emergency
> > Relief Benefit (CERB) are federal programs. Visit
> > www.canada.ca/en/services/
> https://www.canada.ca/en/
> > for more information.
> >
> > If you recently returned from travel outside Canada or have symptoms -
> > cough, fever, fatigue or difficulty breathing:
> > · stay home - do not go to an ER or clinic
> > · take the COVID-19 self-assessment
> > test<
> https://myhealth.alberta.ca/
> >
> > · call Health Link
> > 811<
> http://www.
> > for testing, instructions or any health-related inquiries.
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
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On 5/3/20, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
> https://twitter.com/
>
>
> David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
> Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
> Methinks whereas Higgy now Tweets his Police State's news it only
> follows that he reads my Tweets about his nonsense N'esy Pas?
>
> https://davidraymondamos3.
>
> #nbpoli #cdnpoli
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>
>
> ROUND TWO
> N.B. reports no remaining active cases of COVID-19
> Of the 118 confirmed cases of COVID-19 in New Brunswick, the province
> says all have recovered
> Philip Drost · CBC News · Posted: May 02, 2020 1:31 PM AT
>
> New Brunswick put out numbers on Saturday showing it is the first
> province to have no active cases of COVID-19. (Government of New
> Brunswick/Submitted)
>
>
> 41 Comments
>
>
> David Amos
> Methinks I should holler BINGO then ask Higgy why are we still locked
> down Nesy Pas?
>
> Terry Hughes
> Reply to @David Amos:
> you just don't get it do you !!!!!!
>
> Terry Hughes
> Reply to @Terry Hughes: We need to keep it locked down for a bit longer
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Terry Hughes: Methinks whereas your hero Higgy now Tweets
> his Police State's news it only follows that he reads my Tweets about
> his nonsense N'esy Pas?
>
>
>
>
> Carl Douglas
> How long are we supposed to self isolate when in contact or with symptoms?
> Are we supposed to social distance in our household bubbles?
> How many days has our province been self isolated? Provincial borders
> closed when?
> Can a province be a bubble? What constitutes a bubble?
> Are the borders still closed? 14-day quarantine? Contact tracing?
> How many people have been infected in NB? Recovered?
> What is the mortality rate for virus in NB?
> What is the mortality rate of influenza? Social distance? Close
> borders? Close businesses?
> What % of NB has the antibodies? Asymptomatic? Tests? Should we know
> the results?
> Can a province be a bubble? Do we social distance in our household bubbles?
> How many people in the province are at risk? Who make up this risk group?
> Would it be easier to contain at risk or entire province?
> What is a health crisis? No mechanism of control? Did self isolation
> work? % Infected? Mortality rate?
> When does a health crisis end? No infections? No deaths? Vaccine? Herd
> Immunity?
>
> Andre Legault
> Reply to @Carl Douglas:
> One.
>
> john smith
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: 60-80 % for herd immunity vaccines will be
> forced everyone just went along with the precedent set by cardy, how
> many people really were infected probably a lot. the mechanism going
> forward should be swedish model isolating risk groups lowered immune
> people and elderly watch other jurisdiction and professional hospitals
> for treatment ignore who , gates foundation and as sad as it is the
> moist speaking pm,
>
> john smith
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: patent w02020060606 used to prove immunity of
> the wuhan flu then to buy and sell
>
> john smith
> Reply to @john smith: on your hand or forehead somebody isolated on
> patmos had a dream about this along time ago
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Carl Douglas: Methinks the reason this article had no
> comment section when it was first published was to avoid questions
> such as yours N'esy Pas?
>
>
>
>
> Terry Tibbs
> OH NO, tell me it's not so..................
> "The province plans fewer press briefings from now on. They will be
> held on Monday, Wednesday and Friday."
> Should we be expecting more tales of woe from SJ?
>
> David Amos
> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Mais Oui
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "MinFinance / FinanceMin (FIN)"
> <fin.minfinance-financemin.
> Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:15:25 +0000
> Subject: RE: Methinks this email will put Howie Anglin and Dominic
> Lebanc's fancy knickers in quite knot N'esy Pas Higgy?
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
>
> The Department of Finance acknowledges receipt of your electronic
> correspondence. Please be assured that we appreciate receiving your
> comments.
> Due to the evolving COVID-19 situation, we apologize in advance for
> any delay in responding to your enquiry. In the meantime, information
> on Canada's COVID-19 Economic Response Plan is available on the
> Government of Canada website at
> www.canada.ca/coronavirus<http
> calling 1-800 O Canada (1-800-622-6232) or 1-833-784-4397.
>
> Le ministère des Finances Canada accuse réception de votre courriel.
> Nous vous assurons que vos commentaires sont les bienvenus.
> En raison de la fluidité de la crise de la COVID-19, il est possible
> que nous retardions à vous répondre et nous nous en excusons.
> Entre-temps, les informations au sujet du Plan d'intervention
> économique du Canada pour répondre à la COVID-19 sont disponibles dans
> le site Web du gouvernement du Canada au
> www.canada.ca/coronavirus<http
> composant le
> 1-800 O Canada (1-800-622-6232) ou le 1-833-784-4397.
>
>
>
>> ---------- Original message ----------
>> From: Office of the Premier <Premier@gov.ab.ca>
>> Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 14:45:34 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: RE Cracks in political unity appear, but
>> Higgs holds firm on temporary foreign worker ban and my call to Nat
>> Richard
>> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
>>
>> Thank you for contacting the Premier of Alberta.
>>
>> Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Alberta has declared a state of
>> emergency under the Public Health Act. As a result, we are
>> experiencing a higher-than-usual volume of emails. Please call
>> 310-4455 from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Monday to Friday, for questions about
>> financial relief and government programs and services.
>>
>> Visit alberta.ca/covid19<http://www.
>> canada.ca/covid-19<https://
>> for the latest and most accurate information.
>>
>> Please note that Employment Insurance (EI) and the Canada Emergency
>> Relief Benefit (CERB) are federal programs. Visit
>> www.canada.ca/en/services/
>> for more information.
>>
>> If you recently returned from travel outside Canada or have symptoms -
>> cough, fever, fatigue or difficulty breathing:
>> · stay home - do not go to an ER or clinic
>> · take the COVID-19 self-assessment
>> test<https://myhealth.alberta.
>> · call Health Link
>> 811<http://www.
>> for testing, instructions or any health-related inquiries.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
>> are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
>> the system manager. This message contains confidential information and
>> is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named
>> addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
>
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*Joanna Baron, M.A., B.C.L./LL.B.* *|* Executive Director
*C*anadian *C*onstitution *F*oundation
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos·
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@howardanglin
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario <Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 18:28:10 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Attn Joanna Baron say Hey to Howie Anglin
for me will ya?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly valued.
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:22:29 -0300
Subject: Attn Joanna Baron say Hey to Howie Anglin for me will ya?
To: jbaron@theccf.ca, Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca, mike.holland@gnb.ca,
john.green@gnb.ca, Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca, carl.urquhart@gnb.ca,
barb.whitenect@gnb.ca, barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
darrow.macintyre@cbc.ca, steve.murphy@ctv.ca,
David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca, dean.buzza@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
mcu@justice.gc.ca, Dale.Morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, david.eidt@gnb.ca,
Mark.Blakely@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, martin.gaudet@fredericton.ca,
washington.field@ic.fbi.gov, Boston.Mail@ic.fbi.gov, alan.roy@snb.ca,
robert.gauvin@gnb.ca, premier@ontario.ca, premier <premier@gnb.ca,
Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
premier<premier@gov.ab.ca, howard.anglin@gov.ab.ca,
Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
New Brunswick bans temporary foreign workers to curb COVID-19 risk
Blueberry farmer dismayed by decision, says it could ruin his business
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Apr 28, 2020 6:29 PM AT
"Joanna Baron, executive director of the Canadian Constitution
Foundation, questions whether the province's decision to ban temporary
foreign workers is unconstitutional. (Canadian Constitution
Foundation)"
147 Comments
David Amos
Methinks Higgy and the Feds know how much I love this circus N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Out of the gate methinks I should remind Joanna
Baron of my doings with her predecessor Howie Anglin and what a joke
the Canadian Constitution Foundation is to me and Stevey Boy Harper
N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Anyone can Google "Howie Anglin David Amos" Correct?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: I imagine you're the last thing on their minds !
David Amos
Methinks much to their former leader Dominic Cardy's chagrin Murray
Tweedie should ask where is his fellow blueberry farmer Jean-Maurice
Landry and the NDP in his time of need N'esy Pas?
Most popular NDP candidate questions party's future after dismal election
Jean-Maurice Landry said the party ignored his ideas to support
northern New Brunswick
Robert Jones · CBC News · Posted: Oct 06, 2018 8:00 AM AT
"Landry, a blueberry grower and activist, put up a scrappy fight
against Liberal cabinet minister and five-term MLA Denis Landry in
Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore. He finished second with 30 per
cent of the vote, eating deeply into Liberal support even as the
provincial NDP was melting away around him."
Marc Bourque
Good call Mr Higgs,our health is way more important !
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Yea Right Trust that Higgy's candidate in Fat
Fred City during the last election knows that I can tell a little
story about the Green Party Leader, blueberry farms and I before the
writ was dropped. Methinks the former Speaker Chris Collins and
everybody else involved in politicking in NB knows why whatever his
French lieutenant the former SANB President says about anything is
purely comical to me N'esy Pas?
"Green Party MLA Kevin Arseneau denounced the decision, saying the
province could have helped foreign workers self-quarantine by
providing hotel rooms rather than leave farmers in the lurch."
---------- Original message ----------
From: Karen Selick <kselick@theccf.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 11:23:31 -0700
Subject: Re: Denis Lebel wants a matter about BEER to go before the
Supreme Court? HMMM Methinks I may go there some day as well
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:53:56 -0700
Subject: Notice: Change in Management Re: Yo Tom Flanagan I called you
again today EH? Lets just say that Howard Anglin one Harper's little
buddies in short pants was not wise to brag that he was a research
assistant for one of my Yankee enemies Prof. Alan Dershowitz EH?
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 11:41:05 -0400
Subject: Fwd YO Howie Anglin I sue lawyers too Remember?
To: premier@gov.ab.ca, calgary.elbow@assembly.ab.ca,
ministryofjustice@gov.ab.ca, JUSTMIN@novascotia.ca,
jus.minister@gov.sk.ca, premier@gov.bc.ca, david.eby.mla@leg.bc.ca,
premier@ontario.ca, attorneygeneral@ontario.ca, premier@gnb.ca,
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Cc: david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
premier@gov.pe.ca, premier@gov.nl.ca, premier@leg.gov.mb.ca,
PREMIER@gov.ns.ca, PREMIER@novascotia.ca, scott.moe@gov.sk.ca,
premier@gov.nt.ca, premier@gov.yk.ca
https://davidraymondamos3.
Wednesday, 1 May 2019
Kenney and cabinet will be sworn in on April 30
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 47 others
Methinks I should feel confident that Jason Kenney, Katy Merrifield
and Howie Anglin have informed Doug Schweitzer of my litigation
against the Crown N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#nbpoli #cdnpoli
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Contracts for Alberta government political staffers posted online
List shows which staffers making more than cutoff of $111,395
CBC News · Posted: Sep 20, 2019 12:30 PM MT | Last Updated: September 20, 2019
Howard Anglin is the principal secretary to Premier Jason Kenney. (CBC)
Howard Anglin, principal secretary to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney,
earns $29,000 a year more than his predecessor in the former NDP
government.
Once deputy chief of staff to former prime minister Stephen Harper,
Anglin makes $224,120 a year, according to contracts released to the
public on Friday.
Jim Rutkowksi, principal secretary to former Premier Rachel Notley,
earned $195,000 annually.
A spokesman for the premier's office said Anglin is "an accomplished
lawyer who has a great deal of expertise in constitutional law."
Anglin is paid the same amount as Kenney's chief of staff, Jamie
Huckabay, whose salary is slightly less than the $225,000 paid to
Nathan Rotman, Notley's former chief of staff. John Heaney, who
preceded Rotman as Notley's chief of staff, was paid $294,977.
David Knight Legg, Kenney's principal advisor, earns $194,253.
Matt Wolf, the executive director of issues management, is paid the
same salary as Legg, $194,253 a year.
All but two of the ministerial chiefs of staff under the NDP were paid
$120,000 a year. (Energy chief of staff Matt Williamson earned
$125,000. The contract for Heather Mack indicates she was paid
$150,000 as infrastructure chief of staff).
The UCP appears to have three bands for paying chiefs of staff. The
highest band of $139,463 is paid to nine of the 22 chiefs of staff.
They mostly head up the larger ministries such as health and
education.
Two chiefs of staff are paid in a middle range of $129,501 and the
remaining 11 earn $119,540.
The list discloses the contracts for senior political staff, including
members of Kenney's office, chiefs of staff to ministers and senior
communications staff.
The NDP government posted the salaries of press secretaries to cabinet
ministers, as well as office staffers who were political appointments.
The UCP is following the Government of Alberta sunshine lists
guidelines and is only posting the contracts of staffers making more
than $111,395.
NDP deputy leader Sarah Hoffman said that helps the government blur
the lines on how much they are actually spending.
"They're saying they're not spending as much on salaries but they're
not even showing us all of their actual contracts," she said.
Hoffman said any political staff member who was hired by the previous
NDP government, regardless of how much they earned, was told their
contracts would be posted online.
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---------- Original message ----------
From: Howard Anglin <hanglin@theccf.ca>
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:27:33 -0600
Subject: Re: YO Howie Anglin I sue lawyers too Remember?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please unsubscribe me from your
wacko newsletter.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:56 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> However Google assisted me in putting your latest insult at the top of my
> blog
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
> auditors-polled-say-canadas.
>
>
> Say Hey to Harper and Novak for me will ya? I am taking the weeknd off
> before the writ is dropped in New Brunswick methinks I will talk about
> the boys in short pants in Harper PMO much to your chagrin and that of
> Blaine Higgs and his turncoat buddies Dominic Cardy and Kelly Lamrock
> N'esy Pas?
>
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March 19, 2019 - Press Release:
Announcing our new Executive Director
The Canadian Constitution Foundation is thrilled to announce that
Joanna Baron will be taking over from Howard Anglin as Executive
Director of the Canadian Constitution Foundation as of April 13, 2019.
Joanna has been the National Director of the Runnymede Society for the
last three years, during which time she has grown the Runnymede
Society from an ambitious idea into an influential and established
voice in Canada’s law schools and in the broader legal and academic
community.
A native of Toronto, Joanna studied classical liberal arts at St.
John’s College, MD, and earned civil and common law degrees at McGill
University. She clerked for the justices of the Court of Appeal for
Ontario and was called to the bar in Ontario in 2013. Following her
clerkship, Joanna worked in barrister’s chambers in London, UK as a
Harold G. Fox Scholar. Upon returning to Canada in 2014, Joanna
practiced criminal defence law with the late Edward L. Greenspan,
appearing at all levels of court in Ontario, including the Supreme
Court of Canada. She was hired to launch the Runnymede Society in
2016.
Anglin noted, “it has been a true privilege for me to lead the
Canadian Constitution Foundation for almost three years. The work we
have done to promote and defend constitutional rights and freedoms has
made, and will continue to make, Canada a freer and better country and
the work of the Runnymede Society is already changing the legal
culture of Canada in positive ways that will be felt for decades.”
With sound funding and a full roster of important cases defending the
fundamental freedoms of Canadians, the Canadian Constitution
Foundation is stronger and more influential than ever. Anglin thanks
his exceptional colleagues at the CCF, our donors and supporters, and
the Board of Directors for their consistent and invaluable support
during a personally- and professionally-rewarding three years.
The Canadian Constitution Foundation (“Freedom’s Defence Team”) is a
registered charity, independent and non-partisan, whose mission is to
defend the constitutional freedoms of Canadians through education,
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Howard Anglin <hanglin@theccf.ca>
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:08:36 -0600
Subject: Re: ATTN Edward Gillis I called again to try to speak to you
about the CRA auditors, the CBC and the PIPSC but was directed to a Mr
Campbell's voicemail
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Please remove me from this list. I have no idea who you are or what you are
on about.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:07 PM, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Message blocked
> Your message to Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca has been blocked. See
> technical details below for more information.
> LEARN MORE
>
>
> On 8/17/18, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Need I say that Minister Diane Lebouthillier and Bill Morneau know
> > that the greedy people within the CRA and the CBC can cry me river for
> > all I care now?
> >
> > http://www.cbc.ca/news/
> >
> > Most CRA auditors polled say Canada's tax system is skewed to protect
> > the wealthy
> >
> >
> > A new survey of more than 1,700 tax professionals at CRA suggests
> > agency lacks tools to make the rich pay
> > Dean Beeby · CBC News · Posted: Aug 17, 2018 4:00 AM ET
> >
> > Trust that I alread had a pit and chew with the greedy UTE dudes
> >
> > Your media people find this email published within my blog ASAP
> >
> > http://davidraymondamos3.
> auditors-polled-say-canadas.
> >
> > Edward Gillis
> > Chief Operating Officer & Executive Secretary
> > Telephone : (613)228-6310 / 1(800)267-0446 ext: 5005
> > E-mail : egillis@pipsc.ca
> > Ryan Campbell Economist
> > Telephone : (613)228-6310 / 1(800)267-0446 ext: 4732
> > E-mail : rcampbell@pipsc.ca
> >
> > 250 Tremblay Road
> > Ottawa, ON K1G 3J8
> >
> >
> > Paul Hartigan
> > Manager, Atlantic Region
> >
> > Portfolio :
> >
> > Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada (AAFC)
> > Canada Revenue Agency (CRA)
> > Correctional Service Canada (CSC)
> > Employment and Social Development Canada
> > Library and Archives Canada (LAC)
> > National Energy Board (NEB)
> > National Research Council
> > New-Brunswick Groups: Agriculture (AG) - Engineering, Land Surveying
> > and Architectures (EN) - Veterinary (VS)
> > Patented Medicine Prices Review Board (PMPRB)
> > Public Safety Canada (PSC)
> >
> > Suite 200
> > 1718 Argyle St
> > Halifax, NS B3J 3N6
> >
> > Telephone : (902)420-1519 / 1-800-565-0727 ext: 3522
> > E-mail : phartigan@pipsc.ca
> >
> > https://www.ute-sei.org/en/
> >
> > We’re the Union of Taxation Employees (UTE), representing more than
> > 25,000 employees of Canada Revenue Agency. We exist to maintain and
> > advance the workplace rights of our members – a big task in today’s
> > federal public service!
> >
> > It’s a job we take very seriously. The UTE believes in fostering a
> > constructive relationship with Agency management. But, we’re
> > aggressive in protecting our members’ interests – from the office
> > floor to Parliament Hill.
> >
> > As a progressive, innovative union, our vision extends into the
> > future. At the same time, our roots go back more than half a century.
> > In 1943, employees working for the then Taxation Department first
> > organized themselves into the Dominion Income Tax Staff Association.
> > Then, as now, federal workers recognized that unionizing is the best
> > insurance policy against unfair and unreasonable employer actions.
> >
> > In 1966, with the advent of free collective bargaining in the federal
> > public service, the UTE joined the Public Service Alliance of Canada
> > (PSAC) as the “Taxation Component”. Our 1987 convention voted to
> > adopt our current name. With the passage of the CCRA Act, we moved
> > from a department of the federal public service to an agency. This
> > Agency was proclaimed on November 1, 1999. On December 12, 2003, the
> > Canada Customs and Revenue Agency (CCRA) became the Canada Revenue
> > Agency (CRA).
> >
> > UTE members work in such areas as Taxpayer Services, Debt Management,
> > Audit, Finance and Administration, Human Resources, Information
> > Technology (IT), Compensation, Enforcement, Appeals, and the
> > Legislative Policy and Regulatory Affairs Branch (LPRAB). They fall
> > into either the SP or the MG Classifications.
> >
> > These groups are covered under one collective agreement (the Program
> > and Administration Services agreement).
> >
> >
> > Marc was elected National President for the Union of Taxation
> > Employees at the July 2017 Triennial Convention in Ottawa.
> > Union Involvement
> >
> > Since 2004, Marc has been actively involved with the union in various
> > capacities. He was the Treasurer of Local 10028 in Laval from June
> > 2004 until his election as President of the same Local in May 2007.
> > Marc was reelected to this position by acclamation in 2009 and 2011.
> > As of July 2011, he was also elected as the Alternate RVP for the
> > Montreal Region. Marc was elected 1st National Vice-President for the
> > Union of Taxation Employees in July 2012 and re-elected at the July
> > 2014 Triennial Convention in Windsor.
> >
> > Email: marcbriere@ute-sei.org
> > Telephone: (613) 235-6704 x228
> > Cellphone: (613) 882-6287
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:25:18 -0400
> > Subject: Methinks somebody should talk the CRA AGENTS Steve 0673ONT
> > Colleen 204802PAC ASAP N'esy Pas?
> > To: "Diane.Lebouthillier" <Diane.Lebouthillier@cra-arc.
> > "Brenda.Lucki" <Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Pat.Kelly"
> > < Pat.Kelly@parl.gc.ca>, "Murray.Rankin" <Murray.Rankin@parl.gc.ca>
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > https://www.linkedin.com/in/
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:19:04 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca,
> > "andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca>,
> > Claude.Dubois@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> > < Michael.Wernick@pco-bcp.gc.ca
> > < Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> >
> > https://www.canada.ca/en/
> ombudsmanreleasesherofficesnew
> >
> > Media relations - Office of the Taxpayers’ Ombudsman
> > 613-946-2974
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:16:09 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: mcu <mcu@justice.gc.ca>, Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 15:27:35 -0400
> > Subject: Fwd: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul
> > Dube and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there
> > is no replacement yet
> > To: Sherra.Profit@oto-boc.gc.ca
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 12:16:15 -0700
> > Subject: I called again to try to speak to the Tax Ombudsman Paul Dube
> > and quickly was informed that he no longer works there and there is no
> > replacement yet
> > To: Linda.Desrochers@
> > pierre.poilievre.a1@parl.gc.ca
> > janet.campbell@pch.gc.ca, fraser.patricia@psic-ispc.gc.
> > pierre.poilievre@hrsdc-rhdcc.
> > < steven.blaney.a1@parl.gc.ca>, media@hrsdc-rhdcc.gc.ca, "peter.mackay"
> > < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, Laurent.Marcoux@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
> > Louise.Levonian@hrsdc-rhdcc.
> > < dan.bussieres@gnb.ca>, "danny.copp" <danny.copp@fredericton.ca>,
> > "roger.l.brown" <roger.l.brown@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> > Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> > < sean@canadalandshow.com>, Newsroom <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>,
> > "macpherson.don" <macpherson.don@dailygleaner.
> >
> > http://www.oto-boc.gc.ca/
> >
> > https://quinte.cioc.ca/record/
> >
> > Linda Desrochers, Taxpayers' Ombudsman
> >
> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >>>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:15:12 -0400
> >>>> Subject: I called again to try to speak to the tax Ombudsman Paul
> >>>> Dube
> >>>> and many others. Need I say that I was not surprised that nobody
> >>>> called me back to talk to me?
> >>>> To: pm@pm.gc.ca, Mackay.P@forces.gc.ca,
> >>>> Paul.Dube@taxpayersrights.gc.
> >>>> roxanne.daoust@
> >>>> blackj1b@parl.gc.ca, ministerofstate@acoa-aperca.
> >>>> L.Cannon@international.gc.ca, Stockwell.Day@international.
> >>>> jhii@lghc-lgcc.gc.ca, Minister@cic.gc.ca,
> >>>> Peter.Kent@international.gc.ca
> >>>> Jim.Prentice@ec.gc.ca, Minister@ainc-inac.gc.ca,
> >>>> gregory.thompson@vac-acc.gc.ca
> >>>> Barry
> >>>> Winters <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, dean Ray <deanr0032@hotmail.com>
> >>>> Cc: Washington-im-enquiry@
> >>>> classactioncra@gmail.com, minfam@leg.gov.mb.ca,
> >>>> kevin.lamoureux@leg.gov.mb.ca, premier@leg.gov.mb.ca,
> >>>> jon.gerrard@leg.gov.mb.ca, mc.blais@pcnb.org, ndpnpd@nbnet.nb.ca,
> >>>> communications@
> >>>>
> >>>> Gordon O'Conner who appointed a lawyer from New Brunswick to be the
> >>>> Tax Ombudsmancan ask his former underlings such as legions of taxmen
> >>>> or Keith Ashfield, Pat Lynch, Greg Thompson, Brent Babcock or better
> >>>> the very evil lawyer Ward Elcock explain my troubles with corrupt
> >>>> taxmen and their many cohorts to the shy Ombudsman before we meet
> >>>> in a
> >>>> Federal Court. Nobody should deny that the former Governor General
> >>>> suggested that I take my concerns to court over five years ago.
> >>>> Perhaps O'Conner's purported fellow exmilitary man "Barry Winters"
> >>>> aka
> >>>> baconfat53.blogspot.com will continue with his obvious malice in an
> >>>> effort explain to the world why my concerns about lawsuits against
> >>>> the
> >>>> CROWN have no merit whatsoever. Cybersace has lots of room for many
> >>>> agruments but the PMO and the PCO offices should agree that the
> >>>> proper
> >>>> veneue for important arguments involving taxation and the CRIOWN is
> >>>> the Federal Court in Fredericton New Brunswick. Whereas Paul Dube
> >>>> and
> >>>> his help wish to play dumb about the accountibilty of the CRA etc
> >>>> since he moved to Ottawa with the rest of the federal boyz he can
> >>>> send
> >>>> lawyers to New Brunswick to argue me about my right to no false
> >>>> imprisonment etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Need I repeat myself to explain why this Youtube channel of Dean
> >>>> Roger
> >>>> Ray and the blog of his associate in Alberta "Barry Winters " in
> >>>> particular offend my family the most and will cause the CROWN to
> >>>> pagreat y out a deal of money in the form of releif for its willful
> >>>> support of such obvious malice or my name ain't "Just Dave"?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://baconfat53.blogspot.
> >>>>
> >>>> Veritas Vincit
> >>>> David Raymond Amos
> >>>>
> >
> >
> > On 2/20/15, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The one pdf file hereto attached speaks volumes in only ONE Official
> >> Language
> >>
> >> As you all know I am still a Canadian citizen who has every right to
> >> file many lawsuits to seek relief and compensation. Even though I have
> >> no SIN # or fixed address the RCMP and CSIS always know where to find
> >> me in order to harass me
> >> and the PMO and the PCO offices etc have had many of my documents for
> >> manny many years Correct?
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:12:45 -0700
> >> Subject: Attn Jeffrey Brennan I just called and spoke to you as I said
> >> I have had enough harassment by the RCMP and their cohorts If the
> >> Canadian government wishes to settle with me outside of court now
> >> would be the time
> >> To: Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < bob.paulson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "peter.mackay"
> >> < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Info <info@ndp.ca>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:55:22 +0000
> >> Subject: Automatic reply: Re Worldwide Public Corruption BTW Methinks
> >> this is the real reason Johnny "Never Been Good" Baird suddenly bailed
> >> on his boss Harper
> >> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> *Le français suit*
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Thank you for sending your inquiry to Canada’s NDP.
> >>
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> >> be addressed. We are working to respond to each message as quickly as
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> >>
> >> Thank you for your patience during this busy – but exciting – time.
> >>
> >> Have a nice day,
> >>
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Bonjour/Bonsoir,
> >>
> >> Merci de votre courriel.
> >>
> >> Nous répondrons à votre courrier électronique dès que possible. Si
> >> vous nous avez déjà laissé un message vocal, s'il vous plaît soyez
> >> assuré que nous vous retournerons l’appel. Nous travaillons afin de
> >> pouvoir répondre à chaque message vocal et courrier électronique aussi
> >> vite que possible.
> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> (TÉL) 866.525.2555 | (TÉLÉC/FAX) 613.230.9950
> >> ndp.ca | npd.ca
> >> Cope 225:js
> >>
> >> Just Dave
> >> By Location Visit Detail
> >> Visit 21,977
> >> Domain Name gc.ca ? (Canada)
> >> IP Address 198.103.111.# (Privy Council Office)
> >> ISP GTIS
> >> Location
> >> Continent : North America
> >> Country : Canada (Facts)
> >> State/Region : Ontario
> >> City : Ottawa
> >> Lat/Long : 45.4167, -75.7 (Map)
> >> Language English (Canada)
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> >> .NET4.0E)
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> >> Resolution : 1440 x 900
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> >> Referring URL http://www.google.ca...
> >> Visit Entry Page http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
> >> Visit Exit Page http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
> >> Out Click
> >> Time Zone UTC-5:00
> >> Visitor's Time Feb 5 2015 12:12:14 pm
> >> Visit Number 21,977
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:54:33 -0700
> >> Subject: Re Worldwide Public Corruption BTW Methinks this is the real
> >> reason Johnny "Never Been Good" Baird suddenly bailed on his boss
> >> Harper
> >> To: Daniel.Nadeau@priv.gc.ca, fraser.patricia@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> ian.fine@chrc-ccdp.ca, Craig.MacMillan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> >> mdoucet@pco-bcp.gc.ca, sue.greaves@cse-cst.gc.ca,
> >> bobby.matheson@ps-sp.gc.ca, Gregory.Gauthier@fin.gc.ca,
> >> louis-philippe.rouillard@
> >> marie-josee.thivierge@justice.
> >> Barbara.Carswell@
> >> < oig@sec.gov>, "dean.buzza" <dean.buzza@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>,
> >> "joe.oliver.a1" <joe.oliver.a1@parl.gc.ca>,
> >> NYAG.Pressoffice@ag.ny.gov, "ed.pilkington"
> >> < ed.pilkington@guardian.co.uk>
> >> < Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, bbachrach <bbachrach@bachrachlaw.net>,
> >> "Terry.Milewski" <Terry.Milewski@cbc.ca>, "paul.dewar.a1"
> >> < paul.dewar.a1@parl.gc.ca>, coleen@coleenrowley.com, "Drew.Barnes"
> >> < Drew.Barnes@assembly.ab.ca>, premier <premier@gov.ab.ca>, oig
> >> < oig@ftc.gov>, bairdj <bairdj@parl.gc.ca>, "hugh.flemming"
> >> < hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>, "Wayne.Gallant"
> >> < Wayne.Gallant@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> >> < George.Soros@
> >> < george.osborne.mp@parliament.
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> < Friday.Joe@psic-ispc.gc.ca>, eric.schneiderman@ag.ny.gov,
> >> public.integrity@ag.ny.gov, "justin.trudeau.a1"
> >> < justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca>
> >> < thomas.mulcair.a1@parl.gc.ca>
> >> < Thomas.Lawson@forces.gc.ca>, dnd_mdn <dnd_mdn@forces.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/ve/
> >>
> >> To put it simply too many people around the world read this blog
> >> recently and started checking my work. Nobody dares to deny that the
> >> PCO did acknowledge the email in 2013 and the various sitemeters tell
> >> a very interesting tale to say the least Correct Daniel Nadeau?.
> >>
> >> http://thedavidamosrant.
> greenwald-and-brazilian.html
> >>
> >> That NOBODY should forget your boss" Mario Dion's last email to me
> >> before he quit EH Raynald Lampron and Joe Friday?
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Mario Dion <Dion.Mario@psic-ispc.gc.ca>
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 06:05:25 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: Yo Mario Dion it been over a year since your last
> >> response and 7 years since I talked to the evil lawyer Manon Hardy so
> >> tell me another one will ya?
> >> To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>,
> >> "manon.hardy@chrc-ccdp.ca" <manon.hardy@chrc-ccdp.ca>,
> >> "Clemet1@parl.gc.ca" <Clemet1@parl.gc.ca>,
> >> "Errington.john@forces.gc.ca" <Errington.john@forces.gc.ca>,
> >> "Christine.Salt@forces.gc.ca" <Christine.Salt@forces.gc.ca>,
> >> "Mackap@parl.gc.ca" <Mackap@parl.gc.ca>, "bourdap@halifax.ca"
> >> < bourdap@halifax.ca>, "Helen.Banulescu@crcc-ccetp.
> >> < Helen.Banulescu@crcc-ccetp.
> >> < Lachapelle.Edith@psic-ispc.
> >> < peter.dauphinee@gmail.com>, "upriverwatch@gmail.com"
> >> < upriverwatch@gmail.com>, "donald.bowser@smu.ca"
> >> < donald.bowser@smu.ca>, "kedgwickriver@gmail.com"
> >> < kedgwickriver@gmail.com>, "oldmaison@yahoo.com"
> >> < oldmaison@yahoo.com>, "COCMoncton@gmail.com" <COCMoncton@gmail.com>,
> >> "Davidc.Coon@gmail.com" <Davidc.Coon@gmail.com>,
> >> "stephen.horsman@nbliberal.ca" <stephen.horsman@nbliberal.ca>
> >> "forest@conservationcouncil.ca
> >> "water@ccnbaction.ca" <water@ccnbaction.ca>
> >> Cc: "david.raymond.amos@gmail.com" <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> Raynald Lampron <Lampron.Raynald@psic-ispc.gc.
> >> < Friday.Joe@psic-ispc.gc.ca>
> >>
> >> I will ask my staff to verify your status and someone will get back to
> >> you. I would appreciate it however if you could be a little bit more
> >> polite when drafting emails adressed to me.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:42:28 -0700
> >> Subject: It appears that I must thank Ray Novak's computer for showing
> >> a little INTEGRITY I have not had a response from Harper's office
> >> since election time in 2005
> >> To: Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca, ed.fast@parl.gc.ca, ed@edfast.ca,
> >> rick.roth@international.gc.ca, gary.dyck@edmonton.ca, "Anne.Jarman"
> >> < Anne.Jarman@edmonton.ca>, "don.marshall" <don.marshall@edmonton.ca>,
> >> "don.iveson" <don.iveson@edmonton.ca>, "scott.mckeen"
> >> < scott.mckeen@edmonton.ca>, "ben.henderson"
> >> < ben.henderson@edmonton.ca>, "rod.knecht"
> >> < rod.knecht@edmontonpolice.ca>
> >> < Marianne.Ryan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
> >> "David.Swann" <David.Swann@assembly.ab.ca>, "Laurie.Blakeman"
> >> < Laurie.Blakeman@assembly.ab.
> >> g.smith@aupe.org, renouf <renouf@renouflaw.com>, campaign
> >> < campaign@randyboissonnault.ca
> >> < graham.hicks@hicksbiz.com>, "geoff.crowe"
> >> < geoff.crowe@edmontonpolice.ca
> >> < oldmaison@yahoo.com>, premier <premier@gov.bc.ca>, premier
> >> < premier@gnb.ca>, premier <premier@leg.gov.mb.ca>, PREMIER
> >> < PREMIER@gov.ns.ca>, Karine Fortin <info@ndp.ca>, "info@pco-bcp.gc.ca"
> >> < info@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, deepak.chopra@canadapost.ca,
> >> bonnie.boretsky@canadapost.ca, jag.sumra@canadapost.ca,
> >> dlemelin@cupw-sttp.org, NAT-PRES@psac-afpc.com,
> >> NATEXEC-VP@psac-afpc.com, meranis@psac-afpc.com,
> >> NH01FGIMA@mail.house.gov
> >> Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> >> < victor.boudreau@gnb.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, bairdj
> >> < bairdj@parl.gc.ca>, "Alan.Kessel" <Alan.Kessel@lnternational.gc.
> >> "Rob.Merrifield" <Rob.Merrifield@gov.ab.ca>, "peter.mackay"
> >> < peter.mackay@justice.gc.ca>, winston.fogarty@lnternational.
> >> Ray.Novak@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, marjory.l.eBreton@sen.parl.gc.
> >> "Drew.Barnes" <Drew.Barnes@assembly.ab.ca>, kilgoursite@ca.inter.net,
> >> sunrayzulu <sunrayzulu@shaw.ca>, "joshua.skurnik"
> >> < joshua.skurnik@hotmail.com>, lgunter <lgunter@shaw.ca>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: "Novak, Ray" <Ray.Novak@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>
> >> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 05:34:45 -0500
> >> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: Methinks Mayor Iveson should have a
> >> long talk with Ben Henderson His grumpy wifey Laurie.Blakeman, Jimmy
> >> Prentice, Stevey Boy Harper, a few lawyers and cops should talk about
> >> what they should have done about YOU long ago EH Mr Baconfat?
> >> To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Thank you for your email.
> >>
> >> If your matter is urgent, please contact Jeff Brennan at 613.992.4211
> >> or Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Ray Novak
> >> Office of the Prime Minister
> >>
> >> *****
> >> Je vous remercie de votre courriel.
> >>
> >> S'il s'agit d'une urgence, veuillez communiquer avec Jeff Brennan, au
> >> 613-992-4211 ou à l'adresse Jeffrey.Brennan@pmo.gc.ca.
> >>
> >> Sincères salutations,
> >>
> >> Ray Novak
> >> Cabinet du Premier ministre
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-border-restriction-covid-19-1.5561926
College student says inconsistent border enforcement makes no sense, leaves students confused
New Brunswick has banned all non-essential travel, but still trying to clarify exactly what is essential
· CBC News · Posted: May 09, 2020 8:00 AM AT
Compliance officers check vehicles at the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border near Amherst. Robyn Hedden was turned away one day, but allowed in the next. (Andrew Vaughan/Canadian Press)
The first time Robyn Hedden tried to cross the Nova Scotia-New Brunswick border, she was turned away. The next day, she was waved through without much hassle.
Between those two attempts, her reason for trying to enter hadn't changed.
Hedden, who lives in Nova Scotia, was going back to Moncton to attend her optometry labs at Oulton College. Her labs are resuming with the province's blessing as part of the slow recovery plan from total COVID-19 shut down.
She made the two-hour drive to the border, but said one officer turned her away and the unclear rules meant she didn't know whether she could enter New Brunswick. She said the inconsistency "makes no sense."
"There should be an actual list of what you need in order to come in," she said. "It shouldn't be like 'I could have gotten turned away again today and have to go back to Nova Scotia'."
Hedden said she has heard from other students trying to get back to New Brunswick who don't live close enough to the border to make multiple attempts.
Dr. Jennifer Russell, New Brunswick's chief medical officer, says the province is working towards clarifying border rules. (Government of New Brunswick/Submitted)
New Brunswick's chief medical officer Dr. Jennifer Russell previously said provincial officials are meeting to put a finer point on who's allowed in and who isn't.
On Friday the province announced all in-person programs at post-secondary institutions are allowed to resume, subject to the COVID-19 directives from Public Health — but virtual education options "should be continued wherever possible."
Department of Public Safety spokesperson Geoffrey Downey said over the last ten days, New Brunswick has allowed entry to an average of 1,680 personal vehicles daily, and turned away an average of 38.6.
He said on average, 22.2 passengers arrived by air in Moncton each day over the past ten days and 19.4 in Fredericton. A total of 6 people who arrived by air have been turned away and escorted to return flights.
"Everyone permitted to enter meets the definition of essential travel in the order."
What is essential?
The emergency declaration says only essential travel is allowed interprovincially. It defines essential travellers as people returning home from being away, people who work or receive medical treatment in New Brunswick and commercial vehicle drivers.It also allows travel to facilitate children who split their time between parents, and includes an exemption for Campobello residents and some residents of Quebec.
The State of Emergency Act gives the province power to enforce the declaration.
But Hedden's case is not mentioned, and neither are cases of people with family emergencies, people transiting through or people who own property in the province.
Now
that the New Brunswick COVID-19 curve is flat, risk lies at the
borders. What’s considered essential and non-essential travel, and how
is New Brunswick making sure people coming in are following safety
rules? 2:09
Hedden said she still doesn't understand why one officer turned her away, and the other let her in.
"I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation," she said.
And she's not the only one alleging the province is inconsistent in its application of the rules.
Pointe de la Croix Mayor Pascal Bujold said people from his Quebec community depend on stores in Campbellton for essentials. His town is named in the emergency declaration, but he said it's still unpredictable whether border officers will allow you into New Brunswick.
"It's inconsistent the way that they address the situation," he said. "I have citizens that can cross for certain things, but sometimes they can't."
Turned away, then allowed in
On Wednesday, a peace officer turned Hedden away because he didn't believe her classes were restarting, she said, even after she showed him emails on her phone from her college outlining the timeline.She said she called the province, the RCMP and a Moncton-area MLA and still did not know why she wasn't allowed in, what proof she needed to make a valid argument or whether she could try to cross again.
This time she was armed with printouts of government guidelines and a printed letter from her college certifying that her program is restarting.
But once she got there, a different border agent asked her if she had any symptoms, why she wanted to enter, and was satisfied with her verbal answers.
Hedden is now self-isolating for 14 days before she starts attending labs. She said she bought hundreds of dollars worth of groceries with her so she wouldn't have to worry about breaking the rules to get supplies.
Oulton college restarting
Oulton College president Darcie Reidpath said the college is staggering a reopening of multiple health sciences labs, including optometry, veterinary technician and medical technician. Classes have been cancelled since the state of emergency was declared, she said, but it's important for the college to reopen some practical learning to avoid too many delays.She said the college is not punishing students who can't make it back because of border restrictions.
Oulton College president Darcie Robichaud says labs are being slowly restarted according to provincial rules and regulations. (Gabrielle Fahmy/CBC)
"We're not asking the students from away to come back if they can't come back," she said. "That's all part of the staggered integration back into lab. We'll keep our lab groups flexible enough that when the time is right for them to return, we'll take care of them."
Reidpath said the college is providing letters to students who need to cross provincial borders in hopes of clearing a path.
"We're providing them with a sort of a letter of enrolment so that it validates for the border crossing that they are in fact a student in such and such a program."
Along with that, the college is also providing students with the documentation to prepare an appropriate self isolation plan.
About the Author
David Amos
Methinks after reading their email Higgy et al must know why I called this fella today N'esy Pas?
"Pointe de la Croix Mayor Pascal Bujold said people from his Quebec community depend on stores in Campbellton for essentials. His town is named in the emergency declaration, but he said it's still unpredictable whether border officers will allow you into New Brunswick.'
"Pointe de la Croix Mayor Pascal Bujold said people from his Quebec community depend on stores in Campbellton for essentials. His town is named in the emergency declaration, but he said it's still unpredictable whether border officers will allow you into New Brunswick.'
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/who-win-unclear-charter-1.5564583
Who would win border restriction charter case unclear, says law prof
Professor says there's case law supporting both sides.
CBC News · Posted: May 11, 2020 1:50 PM AT
Vehicles in New Brunswick are stopped at the Quebec border in Campbellton as an officer asked all motorists a series of questions to screen for COVID-19. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)
A Dalhousie law professor said it's unclear who would win out in a legal battle over the province's border restrictions, but for now, he's giving the slight edge to the province.
"The chances are fairly good that the province might succeed as long as they can justify their legislation," said Wayne MacKay, a professor emeritus at Dalhousie University's Schulich School of Law.
"The province would probably have a pretty good shot at it."
The province has been criticized since it closed down the border to all but essential travel due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
The Canadian Constitution Foundation said they've been looking to find a test case to challenge the province's ban, but MacKay said a lot of the concerns people have raised are a matter of interpretation.
"There are constitutional questions that are definitely raised by the legislation, very broad legislation under the emergencies act," said MacKay
"As with most things constitutional, it'll ultimately be decided by the courts and I think it's not in my mind quite as clear which way they'd go."
Section 91 & 92
MacKay said a lot of the ambiguity of the constitutionality comes from the Constitution Act's sections 91 and 92, which details the powers of the provincial and federal governments.Those sections give the federal government control over interprovincial trade and movement.
But, it also gives a large portion of the control of public health to the province. The province has said the restrictions are in place to keep residents safe from COVID-19.
“The chances are fairly good that the province might succeed as long as they can justify their legislation,” said Wayne MacKay, a professor emeritus at Dalhousie University's Schulich School of Law. (CBC)
"The main thrust, from the point of view of the New Brunswick government, of this legislation is to protect the people of New Brunswick from contracting COVID-19 and that is the main impact," said MacKay,
"There is a secondary impact which is limiting and controlling borders which is closer to the line jurisdictionally, but they would argue that's not the main essence or 'pith and substance' of the legislation. That's a kind of incidental effect"
He said weighing that argument would be up to the courts to navigate.
Charter challenge?
MacKay said even a charter challenge isn't airtight in this case.Section 6, subsection 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms says that "every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right to move to and take up residence in any province; and to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province."
This section has been cited as proof that the province's border restrictions are unconstitutional, but Mackay said he's not so sure that will hold up.
Information Morning - Fredericton
Border restrictions
A non-profit dedicated to defending constitutional rights and freedoms says the New Brunswick government is going too far with its border restrictions. But Wayne MacKay says it's not that black and white. He's a professor emeritus at Dalhousie University's Schulich School of Law. 18:19
"It doesn't directly say anything about social contacts or tourism, the sort of non-essential things," said MacKay
"That doesn't mean they're not included, but they're not in any way directly included."
It would also be subject to the charter's reasonable limits clause which states that rights are "subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society."
Mackay thinks, given the ongoing pandemic, courts would likely look favourably on the province's restrictions.
With files from Information Morning Fredericton
110 Comments
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al would be interested to hear Professor Emeritus Wayne MacKay's opinion about Higgy's minions enforcing a "Stay" on my Medicare Card but i bet all we would hear is crickets N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al know why I think Professor Emeritus Wayne MacKay is a pretty funny wannabe wiseguy N'esy Pas?
Andre Legault
Reply to @David Amos:
I think MacKay has some very shrewd observations.
I think MacKay has some very shrewd observations.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @David Amos: dear David, it should be obvious to you that you have virtually zero support on every issue on which you opine. You have every right to comment but the idea your oversight is either widely appreciated or considered intelligent is inconsistent with reality. Humility is always a good thing.
David Amos
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Too Too Funny
David Amos
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Methinks anyone can Google "David Amos Wayne MacKay" to see how far back the mindless professor and I go N'esy Pas?
Marco Bernardo
I caught H1N1 and that was a very difficult time for me (I call that time the living hell) and required 2 hospital visits. It's a personal experience that taught me that viruses can be very dangerous when there is no natural immunity. If the Canadian Constitution Foundation succeeds in getting a temporary injunction, and our borders are forced open, would they have ANY liability for people getting injured or killed from SARS COV 2. I mean that in the following context. If it can be proven that individuals caught the virus from out of province non-essential travelers that otherwise would not have been allowed in the province. If these individuals got organ damage from the virus or if they died because of it. Does the actions of the Canadian Constitution Foundation not carry any liability at all? I would hope that they could be held responsible for their actions with civil lawsuits. It wouldn't be fair they they could just skulk away from the resulting injury and death that they caused in our province.
David Amos
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: A little Deja Vu for you byway of Mr Smith whom I agree with
BTW I was in a coma for a month as a child because of viral infection
and was not expected to live and then about 20 years ago I was stricken
with this bug in Boston and nearly died once again
James Smith
Reply to @Marco Bernardo: If you have ever have any viral infection before in your life (highly probably, we all have), it is almost certain someone has caught it from you. It has passed on from that person throughout the population. Eventually, an at risk person likely caught this same virus, and unfortunately passed away. This has always been the case, still IS the case, and will CONTINUE to be the case until the very last human on earth draws their last breath. Just because this virus is novel doesn’t make anybody along this hypothetical as-yet-to-occur viral chain of infection that you’re alluding to, a “murderer”. This is completely the absolutely preposterous new narrative that you and so many misguided others are trying to convince others to accept. I don’t accept it, nor should you. The purpose of my “freedoms” is that they add more life to my years, as opposed to years to my life, and that my friend is the entire point of existence.
James Smith
Reply to @Marco Bernardo: If you have ever have any viral infection before in your life (highly probably, we all have), it is almost certain someone has caught it from you. It has passed on from that person throughout the population. Eventually, an at risk person likely caught this same virus, and unfortunately passed away. This has always been the case, still IS the case, and will CONTINUE to be the case until the very last human on earth draws their last breath. Just because this virus is novel doesn’t make anybody along this hypothetical as-yet-to-occur viral chain of infection that you’re alluding to, a “murderer”. This is completely the absolutely preposterous new narrative that you and so many misguided others are trying to convince others to accept. I don’t accept it, nor should you. The purpose of my “freedoms” is that they add more life to my years, as opposed to years to my life, and that my friend is the entire point of existence.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Marco
Bernardo: They would not have liability since they are simply legal
representation, not sure if they act as the plaintiff.
However, are you suggesting, that a Canadian citizen (say you), who did not know they have a disease, enters Canada, and then transmits said disease to someone else who then dies, is (then you are) liable for that death? Not if I am on the jury.
However, are you suggesting, that a Canadian citizen (say you), who did not know they have a disease, enters Canada, and then transmits said disease to someone else who then dies, is (then you are) liable for that death? Not if I am on the jury.
Mac Isaac
It seems to me that there are times when some civil rights groups, like this one, actively seek a case to test laws. There's nothing intrinsically wrong about this except that it ties up valuable court time and money...and plenty of the latter! On the other hand it does clear up discussions in the public domain about whether or not government is overreaching in their legislation. I'm not a lawyer, but I wish we had a better way to handle such issues without a lot of blaming... I happen to think there ARE times when civil liberties must be TEMPORARILY suspended for the overall good of the populace. Again, I repeat, these measures must be only temporary and for a justifiable, to the public at large, time. I don't and never will support the idiocy of American style "democracy" where personal civil liberties ALWAYS trumps (again THAT word I despise so much!) rational/sane thought and legislation. It's one of the many, many reasons America lags far, far behind the rest of western democracies in times such as these.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
Our Constitution and Charter allow to suspend certain rights under certain conditions. We are in that situation now.
Our Constitution and Charter allow to suspend certain rights under certain conditions. We are in that situation now.
Sarah
Brown
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
Civil rights groups should absolutely seek this case to test its
legalities...our civil liberties are being illegally restricted and it s
beyond my comprehension how most citizens in this country accept this
with little or no protest.
Sarah Pelletier
Reply to @Sarah
Brown: Because most citizens don't want this virus to get out of
control. How is that not obvious to you? It's so easy to say that most
people would social distance and take precautions on their own, but you
and I know that just isn't true. The right for public health and safety
far outweighs the right to lounge at your summer cottage.
DON MOFFATT
Reply to @Andre
Legault: Yes we are but it should be the FEDS that suspend our rights
not a province. The Charter is a Federal document. Higgs may have a
problem because other provinces are allowing people into their provinces
as long as they self isolate for a specified period of time.
DON MOFFATT
Reply to @Sarah Brown: I agree.
David Amos
Reply to @DON MOFFATT:
Methinks Higgy forgot that even though New Brunswick has existed since
1784 we still don't have Constitution yet. Hence we must defer to the
Federal one with its revised 1982 Charter that nobody is certain is in
force because of the failures of Meech Lake and the Charlottetown Accord
Whereas Higgy does not have majority mandate his dubious opposition should at least ask who is the "We" he is referring to below as he seeks another legal spit and chew N'esy Pas?
"Higgs said people have the right to challenge the constitution if there is a violation.
"We will defend the right we have to protect public health," he said
Whereas Higgy does not have majority mandate his dubious opposition should at least ask who is the "We" he is referring to below as he seeks another legal spit and chew N'esy Pas?
"Higgs said people have the right to challenge the constitution if there is a violation.
"We will defend the right we have to protect public health," he said
David Amos
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: For the record an email I sent on Friday that was acknowledged had the following Subject Line
"Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?"
"Methinks if Higgy' were wise he would stop Daniel Arefi from boarding the plane in Fat Fred City and send him home to his parents ASAP N'esy Pas? Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?"
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
For me, there is an alternative that is not be considered. That is,
test each person entering 3 times, 24 hours apart. The person entering
can pay for it if the Province doesn't want to pay, ok. 3 negative
tests, no worries and good to go.
My view is the Premier (yeah, he wears this) will not consider alternative. We have capacity for I think 1,200 analyses per day. Why not use that capacity? This is typical, and not just to this issue; that the current government will not fully consider other alternatives.
My view is the Premier (yeah, he wears this) will not consider alternative. We have capacity for I think 1,200 analyses per day. Why not use that capacity? This is typical, and not just to this issue; that the current government will not fully consider other alternatives.
Tyrion Lannister
Should the rest of Canada be successful in forcing New Brunswick to open it's borders, they might find that a lot of us will begin to ask why we remain in a federation that doesn't respect our wishes or give us control of our borders.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Tyrion Lannister:
Our borders will remain closed until Higgs decides to open them. This case will take a few years to wind through the courts. If the law firm was serious about getting the borders reopened, they would be seeking a temporary injunction to open them.
Our borders will remain closed until Higgs decides to open them. This case will take a few years to wind through the courts. If the law firm was serious about getting the borders reopened, they would be seeking a temporary injunction to open them.
Tyrion Lannister
Reply to @Andre
Legault: Good! With the lax screening of our national borders by the
powers that be in Ottawa, I'd personally like to keep a maritime border
permanent.
Andre
Legault
Reply to @Tyrion Lannister:
That will not be possible, unless we remain in a situation of emergency. Our national border with the US is one of the greatest land borders in the world. I would not like to see us build a wall like Trump is insisting with Mexico.
That will not be possible, unless we remain in a situation of emergency. Our national border with the US is one of the greatest land borders in the world. I would not like to see us build a wall like Trump is insisting with Mexico.
Tyrion Lannister
Reply to @Andre
Legault: I have no problem with our border with Maine, NS, or PEI. It's
the rest of Canada that I worry about.
Andre
Legault
Reply to @Tyrion Lannister:
Why?
Why?
Tyrion Lannister
Reply to @Andre
Legault: Because I don't believe Trudeau has properly vetted a lot of
the people let into Canada. There is a lot of crime in the rest of
Canada and drugs. We don't need that being brought here.
Nick Carver
Reply to @Tyrion
Lannister: Yes...our immigration system is so terrible and broken, it is
looked upon with envy by Republicans in the US. We have one of the
most comprehensive and safe immigration systems in the world. The only
knock against it is long wait times that these very thorough screenings
create. Most attacks against our immigration system are in reality just
xenophobic nonsense.
Andre
Legault
Reply to @Nick Carver:
And the wait time increased drastically when Harper was in power.
And the wait time increased drastically when Harper was in power.
Andre
Legault
Reply to @Tyrion Lannister:
They keep removing my response. Go to Stats Can and you will see that drug crime is here also.
They keep removing my response. Go to Stats Can and you will see that drug crime is here also.
DON
MOFFATT
Reply to @Tyrion Lannister: With regards to out national borders isn't the rule of the day,"only Canadians can enter Canada"?
David Amos
Reply to @DON
MOFFATT: Methinks everybody knows the Yankees have their border guards
deployed in our airports and they are allowed to chase people they wish
to arrest on our soil outside of the airport Hence we have no
sovereignty at all N'esy Pas?
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Tyrion
Lannister: Interesting thought, I believe that will be a small
minority as how would we survive as an independent country? I do not
know the answer, but would seem to me we don't have the finances to make
it work unless we out in place the structure prior to Confederation.
That means people are on their own with respect to health care and a
myriad of other services. Personally, I can see it working, but we'd
also need a military that we'd have to pay for ourselves. Before
Confederation, Great Britain protected NB. interesting thought though.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Not sure why the CBC is obsessed with criticizing the border closures. I’m beginning to wonder whether we should keep them closed permanently!
Andre Legault
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison:
I did not see that article where the CBC criticized the border closures. Do you have a link.
I did not see that article where the CBC criticized the border closures. Do you have a link.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @Andre
Legault: You’re on the link Andre. There have been articles on two
consecutive days on a subject that is a non-issue to a vast majority of
New Brunswick citizens. Premier Higgs and Dr. Russell have demonstrated
sage judgement on protecting us thus far and we’ll continue to follow
their leadership.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison:
I do not see the criticism by the CBC. Can you point me to the sentence or paragraph. I do not know how many NBers you know but I doubt it is the vast majority. This is news. A law firm is setting up to sue the government.
I do not see the criticism by the CBC. Can you point me to the sentence or paragraph. I do not know how many NBers you know but I doubt it is the vast majority. This is news. A law firm is setting up to sue the government.
Emery Hyslop-Margison
Reply to @Andre Legault: this is an agenda not news - there’s a difference mon ami.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison:
What is the agenda? Where is the criticism? Saying it does not make it so.
What is the agenda? Where is the criticism? Saying it does not make it so.
Sarah Brown
Reply to @Emery
Hyslop-Margison: You may think its a non issue for most New
Brunswicker's but that is because the follow the restrictions imposed on
them blindly without realizing that their civil liberties have been
illegally restricted. It’s a very sad commentary on people not being
able or not wanting to upset the apple cart
David Amos
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: Methinks I see that there no need to wonder about the value of your opinions N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Emery
Hyslop-Margison: In my humble opinion you and Legault definitely deserve
each other and New Brunswick certainly got the government it deserves
DON MOFFATT
Reply to @Sarah
Brown: Just wait until this has passed. I expect a new Covid tax. Any
money in bank accounts over a certain amount will seized in the name of
fighting viruses or saving the economy. I expect a new form of carbon
tax on fossil fuels and eventually we will become a socialist state.
This lockdown should give people a good idea what it is like to live in a
police/socialist state.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: Over-react much?
David Amos
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: SHHH Please don't give Higgy et al anymore ideas for their Police State to enforce.
DON MOFFATT
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Call it the way I see it.
David Amos
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: What is the difference between Higgy and a Texas tornado?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: NOTHING Sooner or later they both will end up with your trailer
Fred Brewer
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: You seriously see our bank accounts being seized?
David Amos
Reply to @DON MOFFATT: Methinks old Fred has never heard of FATCA N'esy Pas?
Billy Joe
Mcallister
Reply to @Emery Hyslop-Margison: I believe it is what's known as a narrative.
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe
Mcallister: Methinks you should not use big words with that dude Trust
that he will throw 10 more back at you in a silly effort to make you
seem dumb N'esy Pas?
Billy Joe
Mcallister
Reply to @DON
MOFFATT: Socialist? Wow. You do realize that we could very easily
become a democratic police state as well, as long as the majority are in
favour of it. Because even in this parliamentary democracy we have
managed to become a choir rather than a constituency of informed voters.
A choir because a majority of us are being lead (directed what tune to
sing by a corporately controlled media as we are subjected to a
corporately controlled government.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Emery
Hyslop-Margison: Then property values will plunge, and along with it
taxes. And PST will drop as fewer people live here.
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Sanders: True
DON MOFFATT
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Exactly.
Dave Girdwood
Fortunately the pandemic should be over by the time this works its way through the courts. Lots of lessons to be learned about how to respond to the next pandemic. If the Premier needs to bother the PM to issue the travel restriction next time, then so be it.
Andre Legault
Reply to @Dave Girdwood:
I don't think that the PM can issue an order for just one province. If it'S a national emergency the rules would apply everywhere. As to responding to a next pandemic, the response will be pretty much the same. What we need to do is fix the problems where the most deaths occurred, LTC homes.
I don't think that the PM can issue an order for just one province. If it'S a national emergency the rules would apply everywhere. As to responding to a next pandemic, the response will be pretty much the same. What we need to do is fix the problems where the most deaths occurred, LTC homes.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Dave Girdwood:
I wouldn't waste 2 seconds worrying about it.
You are likely looking at 3 years to get to the Supreme Court, at which time, depending on which way the wind is blowing, they will simply "reserve judgement".
I wouldn't waste 2 seconds worrying about it.
You are likely looking at 3 years to get to the Supreme Court, at which time, depending on which way the wind is blowing, they will simply "reserve judgement".
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Of that I have no doubt
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Andre
Legault: I think the PM/Cabinet "can", but who knows if that would
happen. BC did not want restrictions with Alberta, and that was
reiterated in the previous couple of days. And yet BC has a
significantly lower number of cases. The challenge with imposing the
War Measures Act (yeah, they changed the name but the purpose is the
same) is to have it narrowly enacted. That is a real issue.
Donald Gallant
Those owning property and Living in NB part time & paying double taxation’s deserve to be exempt and allowed entry.
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: The key word in what you wrote is "living in NB part-time." I
could be wrong, but I don't believe that the law recognizes this
concept. One lives in the province where one has residency (driver's
license, provincial health insurance, province of residence per tax
return, etc). Time spent in any other province is visiting, not living.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @Donald Gallant: they don’t deserve anything. Entitlement runs deep in you.
David Amos
Reply to @Donald Gallant: I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Almar: SO are you still accusing me of posting as some lady?
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: Actually, they deserve compensation. They have an asset which
they are no longer able to use because the NB government has taken away
their ability to do so. This is a "taking" in my view and the NB
government needs to compensate these people.
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Sanders: I concur
David Peters
"...justified in a free and democratic society."
There are no checkpoints, where citizens need to show their papers, in a free and democratic society, imo.
Johnny Almar
Reply to @David
Peters: We haven't had a free and open society since 1867 in Canada. Why
start now? Democracies are nothing but mob rule. 51% of the population
can tell the other 49% what to do. A free society exists under a
constitutional republic, but the USA has found away to even mess that
up.
Also our constitution allows for any government to stomp on any of our rights by using the 'Not Withstanding Clause'.
Freedom is a mere illusion in Canada.
Also our constitution allows for any government to stomp on any of our rights by using the 'Not Withstanding Clause'.
Freedom is a mere illusion in Canada.
Rudy Hicks
Reply to @David Peters: Your freedom to swing your arm ends when your hand impacts my face.
David Peters
Reply to @Rudy Hicks:
Don't hurt others, take or break their stuff.
Gov't exists to protect our liberties and enforce contracts, not to 'keep us safe', imo.
Don't hurt others, take or break their stuff.
Gov't exists to protect our liberties and enforce contracts, not to 'keep us safe', imo.
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Johnny Almar: Freedom is an illusion everywhere there are limits and regulations
Fred Brewer
Reply to @David Peters: "There are no checkpoints, where citizens need to show their papers, in a free and democratic society"
Oh really? Try flying to Toronto without showing any papers.
Oh really? Try flying to Toronto without showing any papers.
David Peters
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
That's showing identification to prove you bought a ticket...lol....like on a bus, or a train.... it's not having to explain why you are going...or having to show vaccination records, which is where this could very well be going.
Imagine living in a world where, to go out anywhere, not just flying, but out anywhere, driving/walking ,within your city, province or nationwide...having to explain why you are there and where you are going, then having to show identification and possibly vaccination records.
Remember that when you enter a checkpoint like that, you are automatically detained, and not allowed to leave until you are permitted to do so.
That's showing identification to prove you bought a ticket...lol....like on a bus, or a train.... it's not having to explain why you are going...or having to show vaccination records, which is where this could very well be going.
Imagine living in a world where, to go out anywhere, not just flying, but out anywhere, driving/walking ,within your city, province or nationwide...having to explain why you are there and where you are going, then having to show identification and possibly vaccination records.
Remember that when you enter a checkpoint like that, you are automatically detained, and not allowed to leave until you are permitted to do so.
Bruce Sanders
Reply to @David Peters: reminds me of the National Socialist German Workers' Party n the 1930s and 1940s.
David Amos
Reply to @Bruce Sanders: Me Too
Terry Tibbs
So, in other words: in a kingdom of blind folks the one eyed man would be king.
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Or burnt at the stake for being a witch
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/summer-homes-new-brunswick-covid-19-1.5563776
Canadian and U.S. owners of New Brunswick seasonal homes facing lost summer
'Non-essential' visits to N.B. by non-residents forbidden, including hundreds who own camps, cottages
· CBC News · Posted: May 11, 2020 6:00 AM AT
Wayne Perry is shown on the banks of the St. John River at Long Reach where he bought a summer house in 2011. He hopes to be there this summer. (Submitted)
Wayne Perry lives in Toronto but was born and raised in New Brunswick. He normally spends spring and summer at his house in Long Reach along the St. John River.
But not this spring.
Despite a lifetime connection to New Brunswick, the 78-year-old Perry is banned from entering the province as a non-resident under tight border restrictions established to stop the potential importation of the COVID-19 virus into New Brunswick by infected visitors.
Perry understands the reasons for the ban, but its underlying message — that he's an outsider in his birth province with no more status to enter than a random tourist — has been difficult to hear.
"Under the circumstances it [the ban] is a logical decision. I can't argue with that. I think I would do the same. But I'm upset. It's home," said Perry of the Kings County property he bought in 2011, at the end of a professional life spent away.
"It is painful to be here [in Toronto] right now but I don't know what to do. If there was a way of getting down there I'd get packed up tomorrow and drive down."
Wayne Perry has a lifelong connection to the St. John River. He grew up within sight of the Reversing Falls in the north end of Saint John. (Submitted)
Perry was born in Saint John in 1942. He grew up in the north end of the city, graduated from Saint John High School and earned a degree from the University of New Brunswick in 1965.
Those ties remain strong. He was on the organizing committee for his 60th high school reunion this summer, until it was cancelled because of the pandemic.
His parents and grandparents are buried in New Brunswick and he pays substantial taxes on his Long Reach home, which this year the province raised nearly four per cent to $9,993.
He doesn't begrudge the amount, or the fact the province still intends to collect on it while forbidding him from living there.
"When I first bought the house I thought, well, you know, there's a price I'll have to pay to be there and, yeah, I'll pay it."
Wayne Perry is shown with his mother at UNB graduation ceremonies in 1965. Perry ended up forging a career in Toronto, the only place he and his former wife could both find jobs in 1972. (Submitted)
Perry considers himself to be similar to New Brunswick residents who winter in Florida and were welcomed back into the province in March and April on the condition they self-isolate for 14 days. He said the only difference is he winters in Toronto.
But he doesn't have a New Brunswick licence or medicare card, the standard by which the province judges citizenship, and he has been told by Service New Brunswick that without those credentials he is a visitor, and visitors are not welcome in the province at the moment.
"It doesn't make any difference," said Perry of his deep personal connections to New Brunswick. "I'm considered as a cottager and a non-resident."
Wayne Perry, left, was part of New Brunswick's celebration of Canada's Centennial in 1967, water skiing through the Reversing Falls during slack tide. (Submitted)
New Brunswick has a long history with summer residents like Perry.
The province has thousands of kilometres of lake, river and ocean frontage and for generations Canadians, Americans and Europeans have sought it out as an idyllic waterside summer retreat.
A number of New Brunswick's most famous buildings are former summer homes, including Franklin Roosevelt's Campobello cottage, William Van Horne's estate on Minister's Island and Lady Beaverbrook's house, Dayspring, in St. Andrews.
In some New Brunswick summer communities, like Pointe-du-Chêne next to Parlee Beach, nearly half of the vacation properties on some streets belong to out-of-province owners.
But it's a relationship being tested by the province's aggressive response to the pandemic.
Over half the summer homes on this section of First Avenue in Pointe-du-Chêne belong to out-of-province residents. (Google Earth)
Last week, Premier Blaine Higgs said there will be no exceptions to New Brunswick's ban on visitors from outside the province, even if they are originally from New Brunswick and own residences where they can quarantine upon arrival.
"I recognize the value of having property owners here that are spending money in New Brunswick and enjoying what we enjoy every day here by living here," Higgs said last week about people like Perry.
"But at this point in time it's too early to open the borders up especially … in a situation that we see with what they're currently dealing with in Ontario or Quebec."
That's not what Richard Lawlor was hoping to hear.
Born and raised in Saint John, Lawlor has spent three decades as an engineer in Hamilton, Ont., but never forgetting his origins in New Brunswick.
He and his wife Yvonne vacationed frequently in the province and in 2012 made that practice permanent, buying a summer home not far from Wayne Perry's house in Long Reach.
"Incredible sunsets. The weather is warm. The people are warm and friendly and its quiet. I'm a sailor and it's a lovely area to sail," said Lawlor, who was stunned to learn the province is now closed to families like his.
Summer sunset at Long Reach on the St. John River. (Submitted)
"It's hard to swallow, to not feel welcome," he said.
Lawlor agrees with the objective of keeping the virus out of New Brunswick, but as an engineer he believes there have to be more solutions available than a blanket ban that applies to everyone no matter what their health status or connections to New Brunswick might be.
He said he and his wife would take any test and abide by any rule to be allowed to stay at their summer house. They usually travel there at this time of year.
"There's no one solution that's good for everyone. I think there are [different] circumstances and cases," said Lawlor.
"My wife's a former public health nurse. She did contact tracing for 20 years. We wear masks. We know we have to self-quarantine. We're on it. We know the concern and we respect the concern."
Richard Lawlor and his wife, Yvonne, at their summer home on the St. John River. 'It's hard to swallow, not being welcome,' he said. (Submitted)
There have been suggestions from the Canadian Constitution Foundation that New Brunswick's ban on Canadians coming to the province may be unconstitutional, but that issue, if courts ever do address it, will likely take years to resolve.
Higgs said last week it might be possible for public health officials to develop a specific plan to accommodate the arrival of out-of-province residents who own property in New Brunswick although none has been proposed as yet.
"So I'm not ruling that out at all," he said
Lawlor and Perry are both in favour of any resolution that will reopen the province to people like them, particularly those born in New Brunswick in the first place.
"It's my home, really," said Perry.
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David Amos
Methinks Higgy et al are wondering if I will contact these folks as well N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @David Amos: Well I did it I liked Mr Lawlor but Mr Perry didn't wish to talk to me So be it
Rick Grayson
Reply to @David Amos: why would you ever think Blaine Higgs would ever give one thought about who you would contact? It’s so odd that you respond like this “methinks” n’esy pas”.
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