Wednesday, 13 May 2020

Cardy hopes to pass contentious vaccination bill by summer

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Education minister to provide update on daycare reopening

Dominic Cardy to layout daycare reopening plans Thursday



Hadeel Ibrahim · CBC News · Posted: May 14, 2020




New Brunswick Education Minister Dominic Cardy details the reopening of regulated daycares, which can open May 19. 0:00

The province is holding a noon-hour press conference to explain its plan to reopen early learning and childcare facilities Thursday.

Education Minister Dominic Cardy and Nicole Gervais, executive director for early childhood development, will be giving statements and answering questions from media. The 12 p.m. briefing will be livestreamed on CBC New Brunswick's website and social platforms.

The government announced regulated daycares can begin reopening May 19 as part of the COVID-19 recovery plan. They've been shut for everyone but essential workers since March. Some daycares laid off workers and closed completely, but others kept their employees and kept charging parents.

Cardy previously said it's fair for parents to keep paying even if their children are not attending daycare because the payments act as a "place holder" for when their children can go back, and the fees help daycares continue paying employees.
At the same time, Cardy announced the province will pay the fees for any parent who lost their income because of COVID-19. This financial assistance comes with a "time limit," and Premier Blaine Higgs indicated Wednesday the expiry date may be coming very soon.

Some parents and operators have been worried about how safe it is to reopen daycares, considering the risk of another outbreak and the challenges of maintaining physical distancing in these facilities.

Dr. Jennifer Russell, the province's chief medical officer of health, said she understands those concerns, but the province is taking an "evidence-based" approach where it will "balance the risk with what the necessities are."
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David Amos
Methinks if the journalists had any sand one of them would ask Cardy about his longstanding concerns about butter tarts N'esy Pas?




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Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas?


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Cardy hopes to pass contentious vaccination bill by summer

Education minister optimistic COVID-19 pandemic raised awareness of importance of vaccines



Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: May 13, 2020 3:14 PM AT




Dominic Cardy said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines. (Paul Vernon/The Associated Press)

New Brunswick's education minister says his contentious bill on mandatory vaccinations for school children will be back up for debate and a final vote when the legislature reconvenes later this month.

Dominic Cardy says the COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of vaccinations and he's optimistic that will help ensure passage of the legislation before the summer.

"We're ready to go to have a last discussion in the legislature and then a final vote, so I'm certainly optimistic it'll get passed and we can get ready to implement it in September 2021," he said.


"It's certainly my hope and it's on the order paper and I'm optimistic it will pass."

Cardy, who has gained national media attention for his early moves on COVID-19, said he believes the spread of the coronavirus and its impact on society has driven home the importance of vaccines.

"A bill for school-age children seems like common sense at this point in a way that perhaps it might not have a year or so ago," he said.


Education minister Dominic Cardy said he is optimistic the bill on making vaccinations mandatory for children who attend public schools will pass before the summer. (Maria Jose Burgos)

Cardy's bill was introduced long before the COVID-19 pandemic and has no specific reference to the coronavirus, for which no vaccine is expected to exist until next year.

The bill would eliminate philosophical, religious and other non-medical exemptions from an existing requirement that all school children be vaccinated. Children not vaccinated for any reason other than health concerns would not be allowed to go to public schools starting in the fall of 2021.

Cardy pointed out that when he introduced the bill a year ago, he spoke about New Brunswickers being lucky to live at a time "where death and disability from infectious diseases is something we've largely been able to forget.


"Of course that's not the world we're in any more, and no one's going to forget the last few months," he said. "I think the importance of vaccines has become a lot more central in people's minds. … Look at what a world without a vaccine for one disease looks like."

MLAs undecided after hearings

An earlier version of the bill had public support but was harshly criticized by anti-vaccination activists who testified during three days of committee hearings last summer.

In the wake of those hearings, some MLAs from all four parties in the legislature said they were undecided whether to support the bill.
One national anti-vaccination organization threatened to challenge the constitutionality of the legislation if it passed.

Cardy responded with a new version of the bill last November that includes the use of the notwithstanding clause from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

That would exempt the bill from a Charter challenge on a number of grounds, including sections that guarantee freedom of religion.


Liberal party position unchanged

The Opposition Liberals said they opposed use of the notwithstanding clause and would vote as a bloc against the bill unless it was removed. Moncton Centre Liberal MLA Rob McKee said that's still the party's position.

He said if the clause is removed from the bill, Liberal MLAs will be allowed to vote their consciences on the bill. In that circumstance, he said the legislation will probably have enough combined Progressive Conservative and Liberal support to pass.

"This pandemic sheds more light on the need for vaccinations and it could very well increase public support for vaccinations," McKee said.
McKee said the bill doesn't need to use the notwithstanding clause to resist a constitutional challenge, though Premier Blaine Higgs said last fall the province's legal advice was that the legislation would be struck down without it.

MLAs from the Green and People's Alliance parties also said last fall they were uncomfortable with the use of the notwithstanding clause.

Alliance Leader Kris Austin and MLA Michelle Conroy said through a spokesperson Wednesday they still have those concerns. Colleague Rick DeSaulniers declined to comment.


Cardy said Wednesday while the province will "use every power to ensure the health and safety of our students," it is "open" to removing the clause.

Without a majority, the PC government can't pass legislation without support from other parties.

Positive discussions

Cardy said he hasn't had time during the pandemic to canvass MLAs about where they stand now but said before it began there were "a lot of offline discussions that happened that I think were really positive."

His bill was linked to plans by Public Health to develop a more comprehensive vaccination registry in time for when the bill would take effect in the fall of 2021.
He said he wasn't worried that the registry would be delayed because of Public Health officials dealing with the pandemic.

"One of the things I tried to build in was a good amount of lag time for unexpected events," he said, adding that a vaccination registry will probably be a high priority because of the coronavirus. "I have no reason to expect we won't be fully ready to go by September 2021."

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Jacques Poitras
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Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit. 


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David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise  





  

David Amos
Methinks Ray Oliver et al know that his hero Higgy does not care if the RCMP clues in or not just as long as he keeps spinning his nonsense N'esy Pas? 


Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @David Amos: Step aside Scheer here comes my boy Higgs to the rescue!!


David Amos 
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you were more effective for Higgy's Police when you posted as Mr Oliver or Mr Jones or whatever other ID you use The Crown must admit that town out west just won't do as per the rules N'esy Pas?
 
 
Brandon Manitoba 
Reply to @David Amos: That really eats you up doesn't it. Does it sting even a little knowing most everything you fought for in this life has all been a waste?

































Terry Tibbs
Just when you *thought* the worm had crawled into the apple and was happily asleep.


David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks you thought wrong if you thought Cardy wanted to stay out of the limelight He pops just few butter tarts and his mouth goes into overdrive N'esy Pas?































David Peters
Forced vaccinations have a questionable history...to put it mildly...and big pharma lobbies gov't big time...with politicians and health officials gaining financially.

This file stinks more and more the closer you look at it...on multiple levels.


David Amos
Reply to @David Peters: Yup

Fred Brewer
Reply to @David Peters: So your allegation is that our government is on the take from Big Pharma? Proof please.


Tim Morton 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Umm, you know a few big Pharmaceutical companies have been to the province lobbying, right?


Tim Morton 
Reply to @David Peters: it would be interesting if someone took a look at Cardy's involvement with Pharmaceutical companies. CTV did have a story on Canada's need for a Vaccine Injury program which was amazing, perhaps they could it. CBC doesn't seem to even know there's another side to this coin, or they don't touch it. 

Darla Moore
Reply to @Tim Morton: CBC is mainly propaganda, anything that goes against their agenda gets ignored.
 
 
John Grail 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: The fact that pharmaceutical companies have lobbyists and that vaccines are PUBLICLY PAID FOR in many cases should be sufficient evidence enough for the reasonably minded.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Tim Morton: "Umm, you know a few big Pharmaceutical companies have been to the province lobbying, right?"
There is nothing illegal or nefarious about lobbying government as long as the lobbyist registers. It's illogical to assume that a lobbyist is bribing government officials. So if you or anyone has proof, please enlighten us. Cue the crickets.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @John Grail: I assume you have never taken a university course in the fundamentals of logic. It is a good thing judges don't think the same way you do, or most everyone on trial would be found guilty.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Darla Moore: I Wholeheartedly Agree
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tim Morton: Methinks you should pick up the phone Higgy's and Cardy's constituency offices and merely mention my name then ask what is with their concerns about butter tarts and not a need for a Vaccine Injury program N'esy Pas?
























 


Dave Corbin
Why would you vaccinate the youth? they don't develop symptoms. their own immunity systems can be used instead. Keep the kids free of junk.


Tim Biddiscombe 
Reply to @Dave Corbin: For measles, chicken pox, polio, etc..not the virus.


Rob Mason 
Reply to @Dave Corbin: So why don't we send them back to school, using your logic there should be no problem.


Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Dave Corbin: You seem to be quite confused..

Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Rob Mason: I think Dave ran away ;)

 
Rob Mason
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: All I try is to solicit opinions to foster discussion and debate. This place is notorious for one line partasin responses of no substance!

 
Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Dave Corbin: congrats, that might be the dumbest thing on the internet today


BruceJack Speculator 
Reply to @Dave Corbin: Just bathe in javex and gargle clorox, problem solved

David Amos 
Reply to @Dave Corbin: YO Dave Methinks your opinion matters every bit as much as Cardy's and his fans think theirs do N'esy Pas?

BruceJack Speculator
Reply to @David Amos: should we give opinions or measurable facts more value?


David Amos 
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Absolutely measurable facts Starting with who are you really?


BruceJack Speculator 
Reply to @David Amos: a profitable gold mine in northern BC


David Amos  
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Methinks you just proved my point N'esy Pas?


Brandon Manitoba 
Reply to @David Amos: You never prove a point. Only to the "voices" I bet.


Tim Morton
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator:
Fact: Canada has no vaccine injury court/system (https://www.ctvnews.ca/vaccine-compensation-program-overdue-experts-1.641855))
Fact: US Vaccine Injury Court total payout to petitions/plaintiffs: $4,027,385,399.60 (https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/data-statistics-report.pdf page 9)

The US Vaccine Injury Court awards money to plaintiffs/petitioners. Conclusion: The US Vaccine Injury Court believes that vaccines cause injury since they award the plaintiff/petitioners, thus vaccines do cause injury. If vaccines cause injury, Canadians pay taxes and have medicare. We have a right to have a vaccine injury compensation system and it's long overdue.


David Amos 
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: I repeat how do the opinions of anonymous critics count at all? 


David Amos 
Reply to @David Amos: So will you revert back to Ray Oliver or switch to Mr Jones or whomever you think you can fool me with??? 
 

Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: The thing about measured facts is they are double edged swords...they can cut both ways.


Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: Never heard of a unprofitable goldmine. Just say'in
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: I have
 
 
Brian Charles
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister:
Then you've never played the stock market...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Brian Charles: I certainly have Just ask the RCMP or the Yankee SEC General Counsel and the lawyers working for the IRS and the CRA























Billy Joe Mcallister
A furtherance of the current assault on the constitution and the Canadian bill of rights and freedoms. These guys are tripp'in on the political version of mushrooms


Tim Biddiscombe
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: A conservative premier?


Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Delusion comes freely to all who accept it


David Amos  
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Yup


Brandon Manitoba
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @David Amos: Methinks youd know all about delusions. Nesy pas?


David Amos  
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you forgot that you promised to sign something N'esy Pas?


David Amos  

Content disabled
Reply to @Ray Oliver: i made one comment about the dueling YouTubes and it all goes "Poof" Was that delusional???


Fred Brewer
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: What will you argue next? Seatbelts and motorcycle helmets violate our constitution? What about the ban on smoking cigarettes? Is that a violation too?


David Amos 
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks old Freddy and i are like oil and water N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: YO Freddy where did the tread with the dueling YouTubes GO?


Ray Oliver
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Cigarette smokers should get about as much of our free healthcare as Old David does. Same as helmets. Don't wanna wear one be my guest. You're on your own for medical bills.


David Amos 
Reply to @Ray Oliver: Methinks you wish to make it blatantly obvious that you believes that its funny your hero Higgy denies my right to Health Care N'esy Pas?


Tim Morton 
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: I see you have an Alpine logo. Beer causes liver damage. So, my taxes are paying for your alcohol drinking and liver issues?


Brandon Manitoba 
Ray Oliver 
Reply to @Tim Morton: Right about now during the "police state" as it's known on here you're paying for alot of it. I'm just having a few to not get so worried about my "rights" and how they're never coming back. Sorry never joining that club of total pa ra noia.


David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you forgot to log back in as Ray Oliver N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: How many Ids do you have???



























David Peters
Has Cardy been lobbied by vaccine makers?


Joseph Vacher 
Reply to @David Peters: no he is just using the information we have had available since about 1960


David Peters 
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
Are you referring to the 1976 swine flu forced vaccination fiasco?

Are you sure seven different vaccine makers haven't lobbied this gov't/public health officials?


David Amos
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: Nope


Tim Morton 
Reply to @David Peters: No they just registered in the province a few months ago because NB's an awesome place to visit in the fall. /sarcasm


Joseph Vacher 
Reply to @David Peters: i dont miss smallpox, measles, or mumps. even gone to a third world country where there is no access to vaccines?


Tim Morton 
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: how about this: if you go to a third world country, you get vaccinated, and you bring those unused vaccines from the 20% here in new brunswick and pass them out to those in that third world country you were in Joseph Vacher. Win win? 


John Grail
Reply to @David Peters: Of course he has. Even though there is no COVID-19 vaccine he is touting that as a justification for vaccines. What kind of argument is that?


John Grail 
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: All diseases that are believed to have zoonotic origins. But nobody wants to ban flesh consumption. They just want to take away other's rights...
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: Never had small pox but measles , mumps, chicken pox, were quite normal for everyone to get 50 years ago. And the whooping cough vaccine is questionable at best.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: I concur
























 


Rob Mason
With all the talk around an eventual vaccine for COVID 19 and the fact if you don't get it, travel and other freedoms may be curtailed so as to stop the spread; the same logic applies to vaccinations required for children to attend school.


David Amos 
Reply to @Rob Mason: NONE of this is logical

Tim Morton 
Reply to @Rob Mason: we'll cross that bridge when we get there. It might be a human rights issue if we become a prisoner of our own province. 
 

John Grail
Reply to @Rob Mason: Yeah using irrational fear to promote fascism. We would be better off ended animal agriculture and hunting.


John Grail
Reply to @John Grail: ending*
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister 
Reply to @Rob Mason: As I'm sure Higgs will have no trouble keeping us "safe" for another two weeks by extending the "state of emergency" yet again
 
 
John Grail 
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: It's funny how fascism has become vogue lately...
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @John Grail: I know you are being facetious but I have had to deal with people who support such a thing on a daily basis since 1982
 
 
Rob Mason 
Reply to @David Amos: and you trying to mainstream your delusions is?
 
 
Rob Mason  
Reply to @John Grail: Please provide examples. I stated this differently, twice but received the "red bar"
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Rob Mason: Why is it that I am not surprised by your insult?

Say Hey to your hero Higgy for me willya? Methinks like me he has never met a Mason in Fundy Royal that was not a Conservative N'esy Pas?



























Tim Morton
Alright, just create a registry and tell those kids who are not vaccinated to stay home during outbreaks. Why does this problem have to be so complicated?


Fred Brewer
Reply to @Tim Morton: By the time there is an outbreak it will be too late.


Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Tim Morton: the immune compromised should not pay the price for the ignorant


Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
Or: should the ignorant pay the price for the immune compromised?
Should our freedom to choose be taken away to benefit very few?

 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Nope


Tim Morton
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: both groups think the other group is ignorant, since you didn't know. Some of us just usually aren't that direct or rude. If you read up on the material, you might learn something, but don't work too hard to educate yourself. Joseph Vacher, if vaccines don't cause injury, that means the vaccine injury court in the US never pays out, correct? Research it. Then research Canada's vaccine injury - oh wait, there is none.


Joseph Vacher
Reply to @Tim Morton: go to a cemetery and look at all the graves of children born before 1960. Then magically there are none. That it what vaccines brought.


Tim Morton
Reply to @Joseph Vacher: proof? 


Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Joseph Vacher:
If vaccines, as you claim, do no harm, only good, why are the makers of those vaccines exempt from taking responsibility for any damages they might cause?  

David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks the Yankees often have to pay for the damage the vaccines cause but Higgy et al don't want to talk about it for obvious reasons N'esy Pas?






















 

Tom Simmons
So what will the protocol for those that don't want to take it....gulag?


Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: If you call home schooling or private schooling as gulag, then yes. It will be gulag for those who refuse vaccination.


Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: ok...also, this will turn into an annual vaccine?
 
Ray Oliver
Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @Tom Simmons: The funds for which in each region of our densely populated province for the small percentage who reject the vaccination comes from where? You mentioned a Gulag. Round em up build one school and community keep it cheap.

 
Billy Joe Mcallister 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: It's the Jim Jones/Heavens Gate type...stuff!


David Amos 
Reply to @Ray Oliver: "This is my real name. I'd be the first to sign"

Where are ya? I will bring a friend to witness your signature the next time a writ is dropped. Wouldn't it be a hoot if that truly is your name and that you are related to little Billy the dude who used to work for the the Speaker in 2004 when i was illegally barred from parliamentary properties 2 years before Higgy's blogging buddy Chucky was? Now little Billy Boy is Higgy's Minister overseeing potholes not only in Fundy Royal but throughout the province as well N'esy Pas?


Ray Oliver
Brandon Manitoba 
Reply to @David Amos: "Illegally" barred.. I thought you were of strong legal mind. Beating that should've been a breeze.


David Amos
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Methinks you were Ray Oliver a minute ago N'esy Pas?

























Bob Smith
One good thing about the timing for this is New Brunswickers can decide this for themselves without opponents flying in from all over North America to rail against this.


Fred Brewer
Reply to @Bob Smith: True, but the misinformed are guaranteed to flood social media and rail against all vaccinations


David Amos
Reply to @Fred Brewer: So says the all knowing Freddy EH?


Tim Morton
Reply to @Bob Smith: ^this. You win the internet. Haha!


Tim Morton
Reply to @Tim Morton: you mean the Big Pharma lobbyists right? Hahah


John Grail 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Yeah I figure you are ethernet same type of person eho wants the
 
 
John Grail  
Reply to @John Grail: *who wants the borders closed via force. Build that walk, right?
 
 
John Grail  
Reply to @John Grail: * wall... My typing is awful tonight or autocorrect is going wonky
 
 
Bob Smith 
Reply to @John Grail: Anything that means we don't get the circus that dominated the vaccine hearings in the legislature previously for this time is fine by me.
 
 
John Grail 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Am idea or a right is valid regardless of where the person who is espousing it is from.
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister 
Reply to @Bob Smith: Why do you call people telling of their personal tragedies related to the adverse effects of vaccines, a circus?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks Bob enjoys Higgy's circus just as you and I do N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
When Mr Cardy is willing to take personal responsibility for any harm the vaccines he is pushing (like a corner drug dealer) then I will pay attention to him running his mouth.
But I would like to warn him:
The vaccine manufacturers are exempt from responsibility, and I'm not talking about our healthcare system attempting to repair vaccine damages with our tax money. If vaccinating is so good and right he should be willing to accept personal responsibility for ANY harm caused.
 
 
Christopher Harborne 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: And for those who don't want to take the vaccines, you want to take personal responsibility when you start a measles or mumps outbreak? How about if you infect an immuno-compromised child and they die, you willing to go to trial for manslaughter?

Drug manufacturers are already liable if their drug harms people through any malfeasance, what more do you want?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks you can expect that to come about on or about the 12th of NEVER N'esy Pas?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Christopher Harborne:
1) vaccine manufactures are totally exempt from responsibility OF ANY KIND in Canada by law.
2) the rights of the majority should never be ignored.
3) I can almost guarantee you that if you are over 50 you have had mumps, or measles, or both, and according to you, oddly didn't die from it.
 
 
Christopher Harborne 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Please, point to the legislation that states this precisely, with no caveat for malicious intent. Just because you read it on the internet doesn't make it real.

Your rights stop when your actions infringe on the safety of the person of another. That's where this bill lands.

And vaccines aren't about you or I. They are to protect everyone. You're absolutely selfish and using pseudo-science to make yourself feel better.
 
 
Terry Tibbs 
Reply to @Christopher Harborne:
It is a documented fact that my allergies, that only occured later in my life, were brought on by flu vaccines.
You will NEVER convince me that unnecessary vaccines for frivolous reasons, are a good idea.
 
 
Brandon Manitoba
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Dont bother with it then and your allergies won't be bothering ya too much longer in life as an older man cause this COVID isn't going away.
 
 
Brian Charles
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
If you knew anything about allergies you'd be aware that anyone can develop allergies to anything at any time for no apparent reason.
You and your claims are irrational. There are NO unnecessary vaccines. If they were unnecessary they wouldn't exist.
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: A " Documented fact " ! BY WHO ??? Show us the proof ! i'm sure you've NONE !!!
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Tell us about Rubella ! What do you know about Rubella ? Do you know what it is ? Many women who weren't vaccinated have had children with severe mental and physical health issues because they had contracted Rubella while pregnant .Some lost their preborns. This could have been prevented had they been vaccinated . Now tell me , what is Rubella Dr. Tibbs !!?
 
 
Lou Bell 
Reply to @Brian Charles: He's sourcing social media , the " bible of the right " as we speak 
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Well Lou, once again you ride to the rescue and are tilting at windmills.
I am not an anti-vaxxer. I just do not feel there is ANYTHING to be gained by vaccinating one's children against something that is not a life threatening condition.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: "vaccine manufactures are totally exempt from responsibility OF ANY KIND in Canada by law."
Where in the heck are you coming up with his crap? This statement is totally false.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Reality check Terry. In 2018 140,000 people DIED as a direct result of measles. This is part of an alarming trend due entirely to anti-vaxxers.
 
 
Terry Tibbs 
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
Don't you *think* it strange you ask me for proof, but offer NONE yourself?
 
 
john smith
Reply to @Fred Brewer: where did those measle deaths occur in a developed nation or huts
 
 
john smith 
Reply to @john smith: how many people were injured from the same medicine
 
 
john smith 
Reply to @john smith: why did the gates foundation get kicked out of india, and ukraine and syria
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: No. I don't think it is strange at all. The onus of proof is on the propounder. You made the statement, and I challenge that statement. If I said the world was flat and you disagreed, is it logical for me to then ask you to prove the world is round? Of course not. All of this is your diversionary tactic to avoid supplying proof because you have no proof that vaccine manufactures are totally exempt from liability. Cue the crickets.
 
 
Mary Smith
Reply to @Christopher Harborne: Thank you Harborne for your comments.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
David News
Seems to me that once again governments when acting for the good of the population, have the mandate and authority to institute legislation that would make it mandatory for all children attending publicly funded schools be vaccinated as a prerequisite for attending school.
While the anti-vaxxers will complain about their rights being violated , the vocal minority, the majority are having their rights violated by this group if they send their kids to school without vaccinations.
Save an except a substantiated medical condition for an individual there should be no exceptions.
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David News:
You are "generalizing" too much. Are there "necessary" vaccinations, sure there are, for life threatening situations............ but is a "necessary" vaccination being mandated here?
Ask anyone over 50. By being able to ask them it is very likely they had measles, or mumps, or both, when young and are still around to talk about it.
So, how moral is it to mandate an unnecessary vaccination? Isn't the better choice to offer it? As a parent would you feel more secure if your child was vaccinated? If so, the choice should be there.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Trust that you would be amazed by the things I was stricken with in my past and have obviously survived thus far. In fact I was even hospitalized in Beantown many moons ago.by the virus that everybody is scared of today
 
 
Brian Charles 
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
Are you prepared to set your child's broken leg yourself, or have a doctor do it?
Are you prepared to remove your child's appendix yourself, or get a doctor to do it?
Do you think that treating bacterial meningitis with horseradish and vinegar is the way to go, or might antibiotics be a better route?
Your not educated enough to know how vaccines work, nor whether they are unsafe or not, nor do those fools that feed you their anti-vaxx nonsense.
The choice isn't whether to vaccinate or not, it's whether to be smart or amazingly stupid. You folks seem to like the latter...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jecht Almasy
Has anyone stopped to think for just 1 second that when a Pandemic occurs, vaccines only appear after the pandemic did its most damage. Therefor, you can never prevent a pandemic from happening because the vaccine cannot exist before the virus. In conclusion, vaccinating after the fact is useless. Many viruses came and have gone and never returned, and this is NOT because of vaccination afterwards, its because of social distancing. Vaccination only last a few months. That's why you need boosters. So Polio pushing excusers have no say that vaccines are effective at preventing when you need the virud first to create the vaccine, but by the time you get it, the virus has done its most damage and is on its way out! Just look at the current events... SARS, H1N1, H5N1, MERS... they all came and gone and the vaccines are now in storages because they're no longer needed. Check it for yourselves... And FYI.. viruses mutate, so current vaccines are useless and the same scenario repeats...

It takes over a year to produce a vaccine, by that time, many if not all viruses have come and gone! And pharmaceuticles are not held accountable for vaccine damages done on people. So... will New Brunswick take the bill once vaccines harm children?
 
 
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @Jecht Almasy:
The better question is: If Mr Cardy is all "up" on really unnecessary vaccinations, is he willing to take personal responsibility if things go a bit sideways for some folks?
Asking NB to take the bill is like asking yourself if you are willing to take personal responsibility, because if there is an after cost, your taxes will be paying it.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Jecht Almasy: Where did you get your degree in medicine and where did you specialize in infectious diseases?
 
 
David Peters 
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
Does someone who gets sick/paralyzed from a forced vaccination need a degree to know if they're siçk or paralyzed?
 
 
Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Jecht Almasy: stop using logic. Logos nooo
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @Fred Brewer: I don't believe we live in a country which requires it's citizens to be lettered in order to make a statement based upon their application of observational logic. After all, science is based for the most part on observation. It is more than likely the lack of applied observational logic and the a tendency towards authoritarian learning which has lead us to the position we are in at the moment.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Methinks many would agree that you are wasting your precious time trying to reason with old Freddy N'esy Pas?
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @David Peters: When I asked about Jecht's medical credentials, I was referring to his numerous medical opinions like " vaccinating after the fact is useless".
 
 
Brian Charles
Reply to @Jecht Almasy:
Ctd,
But there are lots of outbreaks of these viruses because of a lack of universal vaccination against them. The potential of harm from these viruses is miniscule, in the neighbourhood of less than one in a million, and those are essentially limited to site rashes and mild fevers. The potential of harm from the viruses these vaccines fight is substantial and include permanent physical and mental handicaps and death, and those odds are closer to one in a thousand or higher.

You and your crew are endangering yourselves, your children, everyone else's children and the population at large with your uninformed misinformation.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
 
 
Brandon Manitoba 
Reply to @David Amos: And you can be reasoned with? Never once have I seen you wholeheartedly agree with anyone except your little French dentist in hiding on here
 
 
BruceJack Speculator 
Reply to @Brandon Manitoba: Well said. That would be the dentist who fears smart meters but probably uses a cell phone and dental x-rays !
 
 
Brandon Manitoba 
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: BINGO haha
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister
Well, we all know that authoritarian governments will never allow a good crisis to go to waste. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Billy Joe Mcallister: Thats a given
 
 
Billy Joe Mcallister
Reply to @David Amos: And this government is certainly no exception.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

john smith
google hcg in meds

David Amos 
Reply to @john smith: Google Higgs Cardy Butter Tarts



























Rudy Hicks
Absolutely. Mandatory vaccinations are needed.



Tom Simmons
Reply to @Rudy Hicks: Whatever happened to my body my choice?
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Simmons: Good question However methinks whenever "The Power That Be" refer to us a herd then the rights and liberties of the Individual go out the window justified under the heading of "The Common Good" N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
Tom Simmons   POOF
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Tom Simmons: Trust that I took on Billy Boy's lawyer Brad Smith (Now President of Microsoft) before I ran in the election of the 38th Parliament
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: You still have a choice. Home-school or private school.
 
 
Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: snopes is bs
 
 
BruceJack Speculator 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: why do you say that?
 
 
Tom Simmons 
Reply to @BruceJack Speculator: They've been proven to be compromised, had conflict of interests and I've seen certain news story I know to be true and they've claimed them false. You have to do your own research and not really specifically on one website as the arbiter of truth.
 
 
Fred Brewer 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: I suspect that anyone or anything that disagrees with your opinion is BS. Am I correct?
Snopes is a reliable source and you could verify that on Wikipedia, but my guess is that according to you Wiki is BS also.
 
 
Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Fred Brewer: Yes wiki is a leftist webpage not for the people, its propaganda. Fred you need to wake up man. Look around you're trapped in your house. Forced vaccines. Lines and ques. Honestly ask yourself are you more free today then 10 years ago, 20 years ago...etc. Perhaps you like the state making all your decisions for you, letting the state baby sit you. I for one don't drink the cool aid.
 
 
Mary Smith
Reply to @Tom Simmons: It's not "forced vaccines" - you may want to read the article. It's mandatory vaccines for children who want to attend public school. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, you have the freedom of choice to do that, but you aren't free from the consequences of that action and you must find another way to educate your child - either home school, virtual school, or private school. If you forgo vaccines, you forgo public schooling.

"Cardy's bill was introduced long before the COVID-19 pandemic and has no specific reference to the coronavirus, for which no vaccine is expected to exist until next year.

The bill would eliminate philosophical, religious and other non-medical exemptions from an existing requirement that all school children be vaccinated. Children not vaccinated for any reason other than health concerns would not be allowed to go to public schools starting in the fall of 2021."
 
 
Tom Simmons 
Reply to @Tom Simmons: bates gill?











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