From: "Labonté, Réjean" <Rejean.Labonte@cef-cce.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 19:31:02 +0000
Subject: Réponse automatique : Methinks the RCMP, the Regional Police
Commission and even Mary Schryer know why I am enjoying the circuses
involving the fine art of gerrymandering N'esy Pas Higgy???
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Je serai à l'extérieur du bureau jusqu'au 26 septembre inclusivement.
Prière de laisser un message et je vous répondrai à mon retour. Merci
Please be advised that I will be away until September 26 inclusively.
I will reply immediately upon my return. Thank you.
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:30:56 -0300
Subject: Methinks the RCMP, the Regional Police Commission and even
Mary Schryer know why I am enjoying the circuses involving the fine
art of gerrymandering N'esy Pas Higgy???
To: "Brenda.Lucki" <Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, aidan.cox@cbc.ca,
mia.urquhart@cbc.ca, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
"perry.brad" <perry.brad@radioabl.ca>, aleblanc@townofriverview.ca,
hjohnson@townofriverview.ca, jcoughlan@townofriverview.ca,
wbennett@townofriverview.ca, rhayward@townofriverview.ca,
jthorne@townofriverview.ca, mayor@fredericton.ca, mayor@moncton.ca,
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"Ross.Wetmore" <Ross.Wetmore@gnb.ca>, ndonovan@quispamsis.ca,
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Need I be a bit redundant and simply say that I like the idea that
Wayne Long may get to speak for Rob Moore and Higgy in Parliament
someday nor do I care if Riverview exits Fundy Royal???
My problem is nobody cares what upsets me and never did Correct???
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Subject: Re: Yves.Cote's File # 2020-0518 At least 2 Premiers must
admit that there is another problem created by their questionable year
long lockdowns CORRECT???
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Changes Proposed To Federal Electoral Boundaries
Moncton, NB, Canada / 91.9 The Bend
Brad Perry
Jun 17, 2022 | 2:56 PM
Changes Proposed To Federal Electoral Boundaries
A map outlining the proposed revisions to electoral boundaries in the
Saint John area. (Image: Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission)
Big changes could be coming for some of the federal electoral ridings
in New Brunswick.
The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick has
released its proposed new electoral map.
One of the major changes suggested by the commission would see the
City of Saint John split into two ridings.
Areas west of the Saint John River and Saint John Harbour would join
New Brunswick Southwest, which would be renamed Saint John-St. Croix.
The rest of the city would remain in Saint John-Rothesay, which would
grow to include Quispamsis and be renamed Saint John-Kennebecasis.
“The Commission recognizes that, in addition to dividing one city into
two electoral districts, this proposal also attaches a small part of
the City of Saint John to a largely rural electoral district,” the
commission wrote in its proposal.
“Hybrid electoral districts are sometimes necessary, or desirable,
to bring population numbers more in line with the provincial quota or
to deal with natural topographical divisions.”
What is currently New Brunswick Southwest would lose the villages of
Harvey and McAdam, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and several local
parishes to the riding of Tobique-Mactaquac.
Riverview would be moved from the Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe riding and
join Fundy Royal. The new riding names would be Moncton-Dieppe and
Fundy Royal-Riverview.
The small part of the CIty of Moncton that is currently in the riding
of Beauséjour would also be moved to the proposed riding of
Moncton-Dieppe.
“The Commission recognizes the ties that bind the three communities
that form the current riding. These militated strongly thus far in
favour of keeping all of them together within one electoral district,”
said the report.
“However, we are of the view that keeping them together while
continuing to chip away parts of Dieppe and Riverview is no longer the
most appropriate configuration for this riding when considering the
available alternatives for creating an electoral map for New
Brunswick.”
The commission must ensure the population of each riding is as close
as possible to the electoral quota. Based upon the 2021 census, that
number is 77,561 residents per electoral district.
However, the commission can also depart from the quota in order to
“respect the community of interest or community of identity in or the
historical pattern of an electoral district in the province” or “to
maintain a manageable geographic size for districts in sparsely
populated, rural or northern regions of the province.”
Currently, Saint John-Rothesay is 5.7 per cent over the electoral
quota, New Brunswick Southwest is 12.6 per cent under, Fundy Royal is
7.9 per cent over, and Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe is 30.5 per cent over.
Under the proposed new ridings, Saint John-Kennebecasis would be 5.7
per cent over the quota, Saint John-St. Croix would be 1.8 per cent
over, Fundy Royal-Riverview would be 4.3 per cent under, and
Moncton-Dieppe would be 17.8 per cent over.
‘I’m going to fight this’: Saint John MP
The proposed boundary changes are not sitting well with some,
including the current MP for Saint John-Rothesay.
Wayne Long said splitting the City of Saint John into two separate
ridings will dilute representation for Saint John.
“As it currently sits, west Saint John, the Port of Saint John, is
going to have an MP that is in St. Stephen and then from the bridge
through to Quispamsis will be another MP,” Long said in a phone
interview on Friday.
The Liberal MP said Saint John-Rothesay said a “red riding surrounded
by a sea of blue,” pointing to the fact that New Brunswick Southwest
and Fundy Royal are both represented by Conservatives.
“What effectively is happening here is the riding is being split
in two and being morphed into blue areas,” he said.
Long pointed out that both Moncton and Fredericton are each
represented by one MP, and it should be the same for Saint John.
The third-term MP said he is going to fight the proposed changes to
ensure Saint John stays as one riding.
“I don’t think it’s any secret that West Saint John blood flows
through my veins. I made my home there, I grew up there, and I
certainly love West Saint John,” said Long.
“I’m going to fight this. West Saint John absolutely should not be
incorporated into New Brunswick Southwest.”
Despite his opposition to this part of the proposal, Long said he
would be happy to see Quispamsis join the riding.
“I like that change. Quispamsis is certainly becoming more urban,
they’re growing, and I don’t have a problem with that,” he said.
Our newsroom requested comment from New Brunswick Southwest
Conservative MP John Williamson about the change but he was not
immediately available.
Input from the public
Residents will be able to have their say on the proposed changes
during a series of public hearings in September.
Hearings are scheduled in Woodstock, Saint-Quentin, Saint-Léolin,
Newcastle, Shediac, Moncton, Sussex, Rothesay, Saint Andrews and
Fredericton. A virtual hearing is also scheduled for Sept. 29.
You can also send comments and feedback by mail or email without
attending a public hearing.
Commission members will also consider objections from members of the
House of Commons before preparing a final report outlining the
electoral boundaries for the province.
Elections Canada has said the new electoral map is expected to be done
in late 2023, but the changes will not take effect until at least
2024.
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Fundy Royal—Riverview – Proposal – New Brunswick
(Population: 74,261)
(Map 1 and 2)
Consists of:
(a) the County of Albert;
(b) the County of Kings, excepting:
(i) the towns of Grand Bay-Westfield, Quispamsis and Rothesay;
(ii) the parishes of Greenwich, Kars, Springfield and Studholm;
(iii) that part of the Parish of Westfield lying northerly and
westerly of the Saint John River;
(c) that part of the County of Queens comprising the Parish of Brunswick;
(d) that part of the County of Saint John comprising:
(i) the Village of St. Martins;
(ii) the Parish of Saint Martins;
(iii) that part of the Parish of Simonds lying northeasterly
of a line described as follows: commencing at the intersection of Old
Black River Road and the easterly limit of the City of Saint John
(that is to say, the Mispec River); thence generally southeasterly and
easterly along said road to West Beach Road; thence southerly along
said road to latitude 45°13'44”N; thence southerly in a straight line
to a point in the Bay of Fundy lying at latitude 45°12'31”N and
longitude 65°50'39”W; and
(e) that part of the County of Westmorland comprising:
(i) the villages of Petitcodiac and Salisbury;
(ii) the Parish of Salisbury;
(iii) that part of the Parish of Moncton lying westerly of a
line described as follows: commencing at the intersection of the
northerly limit of said parish and Highway 126; thence generally
southeasterly along said highway to Homestead Road; thence
northeasterly along said road to the westerly limit of the City of
Moncton; thence generally southerly westerly and southerly along said
limit to the Petitcodiac River;
(iv) Soegao Indian Reserve No. 35.
Proposal to split Saint John into two federal ridings baffles MP
Wayne Long says he'll fight change proposed by federal boundary commission
Mia Urquhart · CBC News · Posted: Jun 17, 2022 4:53 PM AT |
Some New Brunswickers may be voting in different ridings in the next
federal election if proposed changes to the province's electoral map
are implemented. (Peter Power/The Canadian Press)
Saint John-Rothesay MP Wayne Long plans to oppose proposed changes to
the riding he represents, among the most dramatic of the changes
recommended for New Brunswick by a federal boundary commission.
"I'm not happy about it I don't like it, and I'm going to fight it,"
Long said Friday about the plan to divide the city of Saint John into
two separate electoral districts.
According to a report released Thursday on electoral reform in the
province, everything east of the St. John River should join the
Kennebecasis Valley, while everything west of it should join Charlotte
County in a monster of a riding that stretches 8,600-square-kilometres
into parts of Queens and Kings counties.
"You know, I'm sitting in my office in Market Square, looking out the
window, looking across at the port, looking across at west Saint John.
To think that that would be a part of a riding that goes down to St.
Stephen — it's just not acceptable. It will hurt Saint John in the
long term," said Long.
He said Saint John should have one MP focused on the needs of the
city. Instead, he said, west siders will become a minority where their
position will be diluted in an expansive riding largely made up of
rural communities.
"It's not two MPs. Let's be very clear on that. It's not Saint John
has two MPs. Sure. There's two ridings with Saint John's name in
them," said Long.
The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick is
proposing that the province keep 10 ridings. It also proposes changes,
of varying degrees, to all 10, including new names for some. (Federal
Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick)
The recommendation to split Saint John was among several made in the
report released by the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New
Brunswick.
According to the report, the province will maintain 10 federal seats,
but all will look a little different in the next federal election, if
the propsals are adopted.
Some of the changes suggested by the Federal Electoral Boundaries
Commission for New Brunswick, including in the Moncton area, are
linguistically based.
For example, in the northeast, the commission has suggested that
several francophone communities be moved from the electoral district
of Miramichi-Grand Lake to Acadie-Bathurst.
The three-member commission includes Lucie A. LaVigne, chair of the
commission and a judge of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal, Condé
Grondin, a retired professor of political science, and Thomas Riordon,
a retired judge of the Court of Queen's Bench of New Brunswick.
Across the country, most provinces will maintain the same number of
seats under the proposed changes, although Quebec will lose one seat
and Ontario will gain one. The biggest change is proposed in Alberta,
which could see three additional seats.
The report proposes growing Parliament by four seats in the next
federal election, which would bring the total to 342.
Full details of the proposed changes in New Brunswick can be found
online, but here are some highlights:
Acadie-Bathurst
The commission said it initially didn't believe that any changes were
needed in Acadie-Bathurst, until Keith Chiasson, the MLA for
Tracadie-Sheila, brought the issue to their attention. He identified
the communities of Rivière-du-Portage, Haut-Rivière-du-Portage and
Brantville.
"Chiasson submitted that the populations of these communities are
predominantly francophone and Acadian and that their linguistic
profile and sense of belonging align with the Acadian Peninsula and
the electoral district of Acadie-Bathurst, where they go for services
and daily needs, such as schools, health services, shops, businesses,
financial and legal services, and provincial and federal government
offices."
Beauséjour
The commission proposes to move a small part of the City of Moncton
from Beauséjour to the proposed riding of Moncton-Dieppe. The change
would still leave Beauséjour riding with a population of 88,490,
putting it at 14 per cent above the provincial electoral quota.
The commission said it isn't concerned with the numbers because
Beauséjour would be "geographically the smallest rural electoral
district."
Fredericton (suggested name: Fredericton-Oromocto)
The new district would consist mainly of the city of Fredericton and
surrounding areas, plus the town of Oromocto. What's left of the old
riding of Fredericton would be distributed to other ridings, including
the parish of Burton going to Saint John-St. Croix.
The new district would be smaller in area because of an increase in
population in the capital region.
Fundy Royal (suggested name: Fundy Royal—Riverview)
The commission proposes that Riverview be added to the electoral
district of Fundy Royal. It makes sense, according to the report
because of an existing "community of interest as well as historical
ties between the Town of Riverview and the riding of Fundy Royal."
"In fact, the Commission received comments from a resident of the Town
of Riverview expressing her frustration with the fact that the Town of
Riverview was divided between two ridings and commenting that many did
not seem to know where the dividing line between the districts was
situated," states the report.
The town of Quispamsis would be moved from Fundy Royal to the proposed
riding of Saint John-Kennebecasis.
Madawaska-Restigouche
Because the region's population is 22 per cent below the provincial
quota, the proposal is to move several communities into the riding,
including the town of Grand Falls, the parishes of Grand Falls and
Drummond, as well a the village of Drummond and the rural community of
Saint-André, which are now in the riding of Tobique-Mactaquac.
The commission noted that the areas have historical ties as well as
common interests. From 1966 to 1996, they were in the same riding as
the communities of Madawaska County, when it was known as
Madawaska-Victoria.
"In this region, too, the linguistic and cultural specificities of the
communities weighed in the balance," noted the commission.
Miramichi-Grand Lake
The commission proposes that the electoral district of Miramichi—Grand
Lake include the current territory plus the area south to the parish
of Sheffield and parts of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning,
which are now part of the electoral district of Fredericton. The
proposal would also include moving the parish of Waterborough from
Fundy Royal.
Part of the regional municipality of Tracadie would be moved from
Miramichi-Grand Lake into Acadie-Bathurst.
The report proposes separating Riverview from the rest of Moncton and
joining Fundy Royal. (The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for
New Brunswick)
Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe (suggested name: Moncton-Dieppe)
The commission proposes that the town of Riverview be removed from the
district and become part of the proposed district of Fundy
Royal-Riverview.
Officials recognized the ties that unite the three municipalities of
Greater Moncton, but because of population growth (nearly 12,000
people in 10 years), it was no longer possible to keep them together,
since it put the area 31 per cent over the provincial electoral quota
The commission said it considered moving parts of Dieppe and Riverview
into other ridings, but that would have diluted "the francophone
critical mass and the loss of a francophone municipality (Dieppe)
would endanger the effective representation of the francophone
minority in the suggested new riding, in that it would weaken that
minority's political influence and diminish its ability to voice its
concerns effectively."
New Brunswick Southwest (suggested name: Saint John-St. Croix)
The commission proposes adding that part of the current electoral
district of Saint John-Rothesay lying west of the St. John River and
Saint John Harbour, plus the parish of Burton, which is in the current
electoral district of Fredericton.
The commission proposes removing the villages of Harvey and McAdam,
the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear, McAdam, Manners Sutton and
Prince William, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and the Kingsclear
Indian Reserve No. 6, and moving them to the proposed electoral
district of Tobique-Mactaquac.
"The current riding covers approximately 11,800 square kilometres and
includes constituents living on three islands, a situation that
presents unique travel and representation challenges. With the
proposed new boundaries, the size of the riding will decrease to
approximately 8,600 square kilometres, making it more manageable."
The commission noted that the cities of Fredericton and Moncton asked
that their cities be reunited in one riding.
"In stark contrast to this, we are now proposing that the City of
Saint John be divided, by using the St. John River and Saint John
Harbour as a natural topographical division, and transferring the part
lying west of this dividing line to the proposed electoral district of
Saint John-St. Croix."
The boundaries commission proposes splitting Saint John into two
ridings, with everything east of the St. John River joining the
Kennebecasis Valley. (The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for
New Brunswick)
Saint John-Rothesay (suggested name: Saint John-Kennebecasis)
The proposed new riding would include the current territory plus the
town of Quispamsis, which is now part of the riding of Fundy Royal.
The proposed riding would remove that part which lies west of the St.
John River and Saint John Harbour, with that area moving to Saint
John-St. Croix.
"The commission is of the view that the Town of Quispamsis has a close
community of interest with the more urban area of the City of Saint
John and the Town of Rothesay," states the report.
"In the past, some have asked that the Town of Rothesay and the Town
of Quispamsis, commonly referred to as the Kennebecasis Valley, remain
in the same electoral district, given the obvious shared economic
community of interests and geographic proximity."
Tobique-Mactaquac
The commission proposes that the electoral district of
Tobique-Mactaquac extend its southwesterly boundary to include the
villages of Harvey and McAdam, the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear,
McAdam, Manners Sutton and Prince William, the Rural Community of
Hanwell, and the Kingsclear Indian Reserve No. 6, which are in the
current district of New Brunswick Southwest.
It also proposed removed sections that are within the new proposed
limit of the City of Fredericton and moving them to the proposed
electoral district of Fredericton-Oromocto. It also proposes removing
the Parish of Grand Falls, the Town of Grand Falls, the Parish of
Drummond, the Village of Drummond, and the Rural Community of
Saint-André, and moving them to the proposed electoral district of
Madawaska-Restigouche.
Why change now?
According to the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New
Brunswick, electoral boundaries have to be reviewed after every
10-year census to ensure ridings are of equal size.
Based on the formula set out in the Constitution, the 2022 report
recommends that the number of electoral districts in New Brunswick
remain at 10.
According to the redistribution website, New Brunswick has 2.07 per
cent of Canada's population, so with 10 seats, the province will have
2.95 per cent of the seats in Parliament.
But there's still a lot of work to do before the recommendations are
put into place, including public hearings and referral to a designated
parliamentary committee. Ten public hearings will be held in
communities throughout the province in September, followed by one
virtual meeting on Sept. 29.
According to the timeline on the Redistribution 2022 website, the new
representation order will be proclaimed in September 2023. Then the
boundaries would become official "on the first dissolution of
Parliament at least seven months after the date of proclamation."
"This period gives Elections Canada, political parties, candidates and
sitting MPs the time to prepare for the next general election."
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Mia Urquhart
Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint
John. She can be reached at mia.urquhart@cbc.ca.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
Deja Vu Anyone?
This blog was published about 9 months before I ran in Fundy Royal AGAIN
https://davidraymondamos3.
Monday, 7 January 2019
Methinks CBC, Blaine Higgs, his Deputy Premier Gauvin and Mayors Don
Darling and Gary Clark must know what a joke this article is to me
today N'esy Pas?
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Methinks CBC, Blaine Higgs, his Deputy Premier Gauvin and Mayors Don
Darling and Gary Clark must know what a joke this article is to me
today N'esy Pas?
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From: Ann Seamans <ASeamans@townofriverview.ca>
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 17:23:32 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: I would lay odds that CBC, your boss Blaine
Higgs and Mayors Don Darling and Gary Clark know what a joke this
article is to me today N'esy Pas Mr Deuty Premier Gauvin???
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assistance please contact Annette Crummey at 387-2136 or acrummey
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:23:27 -0400
Subject: I would lay odds that CBC, your boss Blaine Higgs and Mayors
Don Darling and Gary Clark know what a joke this article is to me
today N'esy Pas Mr Deuty Premier Gauvin???
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Quispamsis and Rothesay growth rate catching up to Saint John
Kennebecasis Valley communities close in on rate of growth in assessment base
Connell Smith · CBC News · Posted: Jan 07, 2019 5:00 AM AT
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 21:46:54 -0300
Subject: Methinks the RCMP, Mayor Dawn Arnold and even Wayne Long now
why enjoyed reading about the circus in your favourite city N'esy Pas
Mayor Leblanc???
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mia.urquhart@cbc.ca, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>,
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Saturday, 17 September 2022
25 more Codiac RCMP officers, 18 support staff could cost more than $10M
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25 more Codiac RCMP officers, 18 support staff could cost more than $10M
Plan would represent 25 per cent increase in Moncton-region policing budget
Shane Magee · CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2022 7:00 AM AT
The Codiac Regional Policing Authority is looking to add more than two
dozen Codiac RCMP officers to police Moncton, Dieppe and Riverview,
though the plan requires budget approval by the communities. (Shane
Magee/CBC)
Twenty five more Codiac Regional RCMP officers and 18 support staff
could cost more than $10 million annually, a steep price that has an
oversight board looking at spreading the hiring out over several
years.
The recommendation to add staff was adopted into the Codiac Regional
Policing Authority's plans in a unanimous vote without any public
debate by its board members.
Implementing the hiring still requires approval by councils in
Moncton, Dieppe and Riverview.
No costs were given during the meeting, which ended early after the
board chair called for security because an advocate for defunding
police spoke longer than the five minutes allowed for public speeches.
Don Moore, chair of the Codiac Regional Policing Authority board, says
the cost to hire 25 more officers and 18 more civilians could top $10
million per year if implemented. (Shane Magee/CBC)
Don Moore, the board chair, offered the figure to reporters after the meeting.
"Our desire is that we get full implementation of these resources for
2023," Moore told reporters.
"However, we've been asked by the three municipalities if we could
lessen the financial pain to the three municipalities by having either
a three or five year plan."
The recommendation followed consultations with 80 groups or
individuals that began last year, concluding more officers were needed
to address concerns about police visibility and public safety in the
region.
25 more RCMP officers recommended for Moncton region to address
public safety concerns
RCMP will have regular presence in Moncton-area high schools this year
The recommendation, presented behind closed doors to councils last
month, would significantly increase the existing 147-member force. The
plan called for 10 more members of a community policing unit that
already has six officers, 10 officers to revive the area's disbanded
traffic unit, and five focused on drug and property crimes.
The 18 civilian staff would be on top of 79 existing positions that
include administrative staff and employees at the operational
communications centre taking calls from the public and talking to
officers.
The plan's estimated cost would represent a 25 per cent increase over
the 2022 budget of $39 million. That budget is paid for by the three
communities. Moore said public presentations to councils in those
communities are expected in October.
Courtney Pyrke of Saint John says there's a concern that if Moncton
adds more officers the same will happen in other New Brunswick
communities. (Shane Magee/CBC)
Courtney Pyrke of Saint John says it doesn't make sense to be spending
more money on police instead of other services.
Pyrke in an interview said they are concerned that if Moncton adds
officers, the same could happen in Saint John and elsewhere in the
province.
Pyrke's speech to the board was cut off after going over a five minute
time limit, one of several speakers critical of policing services or
plans to put officers in the region's six high schools that were cut
off or told to leave the meeting.
Saly Davis was told to leave after saying a board member's question
about integration of immigrants was racist. Davis walked out calling
Moore a "white supremacist."
Moore asked a commissionaire to intervene when Hafsah Mohammad went
over the time and said she'd be prohibited from speaking at future
meetings.
Group calling for defunding police seeks role with board
overseeing Codiac RCMP
Moncton council won't sanction councillor for Facebook posts
attacking activist
Pyrke said people felt ignored.
"I think that the reason why perhaps it got a little bit hostile is
that it's a topic that a lot of people really care about and they
don't feel like they're being heard," Pyrke told reporters.
"For me personally, I'm from Saint John, so maybe my voice isn't
necessarily that important in Moncton, but the folks who are here who
are from Moncton, they felt as though that they're not being heard."
Moore later told reporters that he was following the board's meeting
procedures that include time limits for public comments and it wasn't
personal.
He said during consultations that led to the recommendation for more
officers, none of the groups had advocated for reduced spending on
police.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
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Shane Magee is a Moncton-based reporter for CBC. He can be reached at
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Wednesday, 16 September 2020
NDP apologizes for Saint John candidate's 'profane remarks' directed
at other politicians
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
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Methinks it would be a good day to remind folks of the ERRE Committee
coming to Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
https://openparliament.ca/
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
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Methinks many political animals
understand why I enjoy encountering a critic with what appears to be a
real name as per the rules of a public forum we are all paying for
N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#cdnpoli #nbpoli
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NDP apologizes for Saint John candidate's 'profane remarks' directed
at other politicians
Courtney Pyrke could face discplinary action for tweets aimed at
Blaine Higgs, Wayne Long
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Sep 16, 2020 6:46 PM AT
Courtney Pyrke, NDP candidate for Saint John Harbour, could face
disciplinary action from her party over tweets directed at Blaine
Higgs and Wayne Long. (Submitted by Courtney Pyrke)
The interim leader of the New Brunswick NDP is condemning
election-night comments by one of the party's candidates and says he
is looking at "disciplinary action."
Mackenzie Thomason apologized for what he called "wholly unnecessary
and profane remarks" by Courtney Pyrke aimed at Saint John-Rothesay
Liberal MP Wayne Long and Premier Blaine Higgs.
At 9:57 on election night, Pyrke, the NDP candidate in Saint John
Harbour, tweeted a photo of a bottle of wine next to a paper cup with
the words "F--- Blaine Higgs."
Later that night Pyrke tweeted a crude anatomical pun about Long's
name while comparing him to an NDP MP who represented the federal
riding where they used to live in Hamilton, Ont.
Interim NDP Leader Mackenzie Thomason described the comments as
'wholly unnecessary and profane.' (CBC News)
In a press release, Thomason condemned the "outbursts" and said they
didn't reflect NDP values and were made without his consent.
"We have our differences, we have our passions, but when you attack
personally, and use comments such as that on a personal level, that's
something that contravenes the political process, contravenes good
will and it's not promoting dialogue," he said in an interview.
Thomason said such behaviour would not be tolerated and the party was
"exploring disciplinary action for these and other remarks," but he
said he wasn't aware of the details of the NDP's internal process,
which he said would be confidential.
Candidate at odds with party officials
Pyrke, who identifies as non-binary and uses the pronouns they and
them, said the criticism was "fair" but the party had not contacted
them to discuss the tweets before issuing the press release. They
learned of the statement from CBC News.
Pyrke also said the party was upset about Pyrke's questioning of how
party officials were controlling Thomason's schedule and how they were
"running the show", instead of the interim leader himself.
"I had basically been shut down and told I didn't understand," Pyrke said.
"Every time I asked these types of questions, they treated it as if I
was attacking them, and that I wasn't being understanding, and that I
was new so I don't get it."
Online activist seizes the spotlight with police critique
Thomason said a "very professional" team of people came forward to
help the NDP campaign and "it was made very clear to the candidates
that this was what was going on, and it seemed to not sit well with
certain candidates.
"Differences arise and differences are okay. We have to have those
conversations, but they have to be respectful."
Pyrke would not commit to staying involved with the NDP. "This is not
the party that I support from my home town in Hamilton."
Long surprised by apology
Long said he was surprised by Thomason's apology "but I was happy to
see it. I don't think personal attacks of that nature have a place in
politics."
Saint John MP Wayne Long says personal attacks of that nature don't
belong in politics. (CBC)
On Monday, Pyrke finished fourth in Saint John Harbour, a one-time NDP
bastion, with 5.9 per cent of the vote.
That's the lowest total for the NDP in the riding since it was created
before the 1995 election.
However, that result far exceeded the NDP's province-wide 1.6 per cent
share of the popular vote and the 1.3 per cent Thomason received in
Fredericton North.
About the Author
Jacques Poitras
Provincial Affairs reporter
Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New
Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC
political podcast Spin Reduxit.
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David Amos
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Methinks it would be a good day to remind folks of the ERRE Committee
coming to Fat Fred City N'esy Pas?
https://openparliament.ca/
David Amos
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BINGO
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks they don't understand the circus N'esy Pas?
Andrew Purdy
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Reply to @David Amos: Your a broken record, nes pas?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Andrew Purdy: Methinks many political animals understand why
I enjoy encountering a critic with what appears to be a real name as
per the rules of a public forum we are all paying for N'esy Pas?
Matt Astell
I don't see a problem with it any more than any of
the other hypocrites out there being hypocritical. Now if they
actually had any sort of chance of being elected, that's a different
matte
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Matt Astell: Methinks that their political
opponents being hypocritical is just another thing the other
hypocrites fail to appreciate N'esy Pas?
Matt Astell
Reply to @David Amos: Oh, probably. I have no doubt that most of the
people slagging them for making those comments would be rushing off to
like them if it was made by someone of their political persuasion.
Rick Randall
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It's is a good thing that "it" killed its own career. It already is a
frightening sight on a billboard but you should see the ones that have
tomatoes smashed on them. It looks like something out of a horror
movie. "It" has been removed. I can now sleep better knowing that "It"
isn't going to jump out of my closet in the middle of the night with a
perverse blood thirst.
Allen Boboo
Content disabled
Reply to @Rick Randall: Didn't Steven King write a book titled "IT"
about evil clowns?
David Amos
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Reply to @Allen Boboo: Methinks some folks are beginning to understand
why I called this nonsense a circus N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
If a speck of dust breaks wind in the forest does anyone
care?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks many people would wonder how
that was possible and whether or not it is a sign of new life in our
nearly dead forests N'esy Pas?
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @David Amos:
I would have to say the significance is about equal.
Buford Wilson
Mackenzie is right to reprimand her.
Courtney ought to be ashamed of herself.
James Risdon
Reply to @Buford Wilson: In all fairness, the NDP leader should be
ashamed of the election results himself.
Talon World Order
Reply to @Buford Wilson: oh dear, you didn't use proper pronouns!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @James Risdon: I disagree The young man stated his opinions
very well . Its not his fault not many people in his riding agreed
with him
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: BTW You should not deny that the young man got
more votes that you and I did in the last provincial election Correct?
Ben Haroldson
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Nbers are too set in their political ways. Nothing will ever change
around here. It's gotta be an ego problem.
Al Borland
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: What?
James Risdon
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Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Well, you can't improve on perfection. ;-)
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: So says a former Irving spin doctor
James Risdon
Here's a simple test: If you had a party at your house, would you
invite the type of people the NDP has recruited to run as candidates
to attend your soiree?
If not, ask yourself why you would vote for someone you wouldn't want
in your home.
David Amos
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Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks anyone with two clues between their
ears would not attend your soiree N'esy Pas?
James Risdon
Northern New Brunswick should just secede from the rest of the
province. We're already bigger than the entire province of Prince
Edward Island. We should just declare ourselves our own province.
Acadia.
We already have a flag, a national anthem, an official language. All
we need is the territory.
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @James Risdon: and maybe the money provided by other parts of
the province ???
Ian Scott
Reply to @James Risdon: by by.
James Risdon
Reply to @Ian Scott: You all drop by now, you hear?
David Amos
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Reply to @Ian Scott: I second that emotion
James Risdon
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Thanks. Don't mind if we do.
Lou Bell
Reply to @James Risdon: Haiti North !!
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lou Bell: Haiti would approve ! They'd be promoted to the
second poorest country in the world . Both Francophone by the way .
Ray Oliver
Reply to @James Risdon: you have my vote on that one!!!
Theo Laviyne
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Thats true we don't pay taxes up here lol.
Terry Tibbs
Reply to @James Risdon:
Brains, you forgot brains.
Luke Coughlan
Reply to @James Risdon: Yeah..we've been hoping you would for 100
years kinda. Make sure to bring your EI rolls with ya
Marc Martin
Reply to @James Risdon: k.......
Fred Brewer
Reply to @James Risdon: Excellent idea!
Lou Bell
Can't fix st ew pi d!
David Amos
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Reply to @Lou Bell: You prove that to be a fact on a daily basis
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Lou Bell: Roland Michaud had it right. Higgs bring us back
to somewhat normalcy. Mr Dressup be gone
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Friday, 31 July 2020
Online activist seizes the spotlight with police critique
https://twitter.com/
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Methinks the RCMP should have informed the Saint John politicians and
their cops about I handle my concerns about their lack of Integrity
within Twitter etc a long time ago N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.
#nbpoli #cdnpoli
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Online activist seizes the spotlight with police critique
'It's made a change and I'm not going to apologize for that part'
Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jul 31, 2020 6:00 AM AT
Caitlin Grogan said she wasn't looking for attention when she
criticized the Saint John Police in a tweet in June. (Jacques
Poitras/CBC)
Caitlin Grogan says she wasn't looking for attention in early June
when she dropped an f-bomb on the Saint John Police force.
But that's what she got: attention for her, and for her cause.
That single phrase in a single tweet, "f--- the @saintjohnpolice,"
made her the most prominent of several new voices forcing themselves
into political debates in the city around policing, transit and other
issues.
"I don't necessarily feel like I belong in the spotlight," she says.
"I haven't done anything of incredible importance. I'm just a person
in the community."
On the other hand, in the last eight weeks, "I've had more contact
with politicians than I have had in my entire life."
cait
@thecaitdiaries
so, the saint john police doesn’t recommend charges for 80% of sexual
assault reports? and that’s like... acceptable?
7:18 PM · Jun 18, 2020
The Saint John police reacted to her tweet by blocking her, but
quickly unblocked her.
Since then Grogan has deployed the f-word at least one other time and
has told people to "shut up," though she says that was registering
disapproval, not trying to silence them.
MP deletes Twitter after debate
She has also got under the skin of some politicians, most notably
Saint John-Rothesay Liberal MP Wayne Long.
After a heated online discussion about a photo showing Long on a boat
with some friends, one of them holding a beer, the second-term MP
deleted his Twitter account.
"Advocacy is important. Waking people up to listen to your message is
important," says Long, a prolific social-media user himself.
With a single tweet, Caitlin Grogan put herself at the centre of a
political moment in Saint John. She's part of a burst of online
activism that politicians have been unable to ignore. 4:53
"But when it leaves issues-based discussion, and turns to personal
attacks that's when I think it's counterproductive. And to be
perfectly frank, it's destructive."
After Long made similar comments on CBC's Information Morning Saint
John last week, Grogan tweeted, "Imagine being the most ineffective MP
in history and trying to pick a fight with your most annoying
constituent."
Other Saint John politicians haven't pushed back. Coun. David Hickey
says social media is "not necessarily the most productive place" to
take on politicians, but he says the swirl of debate has been healthy.
Saint John MP Wayne Long deleted his Twitter account after a heated
debate with Caitin Grogan over a photo. (CBC)
"It's also creating a bigger conversation around what insightful and
meaningful engagement means with the community and with community
partners."
In a way, it's a story as old as politics, now being told in
140-character bursts on smart phones.
Young activists push for change. Establishment figures get uncomfortable.
Approach criticized
It raises age-old questions: is it better to criticize from the
outside or try to work from inside the system? When is it time to stop
asking nicely?
"The only reason anyone is paying attention to this right now is
because I swore one time at the police," Grogan says. "It's made a
change and I'm not going to apologize for that part."
Grogan says the criticism of her approach, that she's too "angry" and
needs to smile more, is rarely levelled at male activists, and
besides, it's just the "persona" people see online.
"I get [called] angry a lot, which is really surprising, because
people who know me personally [know] that is so not me."
Except she is angry, she says in the next breath, about the number of
sexual assault cases labelled "unfounded," for example.
"I think you have to be angry," she says. "I think if you're not angry
you're not paying enough attention to what's happening."
Grogan has a lighter side. She tweeted at Mayor Don Darling that the
city should buy Theodore the Tugboat, which Halifax officials put up
for sale this summer.
Changes needed
But it's making change that drives her, and that's where it's harder
to measure her impact.
She mentions that the email addresses for members of the Saint John
Board of Police Commissioners are now listed online, and that the
Kennebecasis Regional Police Force plans to pilot a civilian sexual
assault review process.
Grogan used the provincial right-to-information law to get a breakdown
of the different reasons the city police cited for not laying charges
after sexual assault complaints.
Those are tiny steps that raise other eternal political questions: how
fast is fast enough when it comes to change? How rapidly can it happen
without triggering a backlash and endangering progress?
"I'm like the instant gratification generation," Grogan says. "'We
want change and we want it now.'"
Saint John city Coun. David Hickey said the debate has been healthy
and is creating a bigger conversation around what insightful and
meaningful engagement means. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
She recognizes that's not always realistic. She says it was unfair for
another Twitter user to slam Saint John Mayor Don Darling for not
defunding the police immediately.
"But at the same time … while it may take years for the Saint John
city council to substantially cut the police force budget, it would
not take them years to at least acknowledge that that's something they
want to look at or will look at."
Not interested in politics
Of course, Twitter isn't real life. It's not as widely used as other
social media platforms, and it can be an echo chamber for politicians,
activists and journalists.
Real decisions happen in real life.
"I had a lot of people reach out to me and ask if I was going to put
my name forward to the police board or if I was going to run in the
next municipal election," Grogan says.
"Both of those are resounding no's. That's not the way I want to make
a difference right now. When you're working from the inside you have a
lot more power but you also have a lot more rules that are put upon
you."
Other like-minded activists are taking the plunge, though.
Courtney Pyrke, a board member of the new activist group Flip Saint
John, recently applied for a vacant spot on the police board and
several other municipal bodies.
"When Don Darling and Wayne Long and those politicians said, 'Why
don't you do something?' I looked up what positions were open and I
put my name forward because I think they have a point," Pyrke said.
Progressive activism
Flip Saint John was formed by a group of progressive activists who
found each other online and decided to work together.
The group recently tweeted that it wants to avoid online bullying and
was working on a code of conduct for its board members.
"We want to take these, as people would describe it, 'angry voices' or
'angry people online,' and turn that into something more productive,"
Pyrke said, adding, "I didn't see an issue with how Cait expressed her
concerns or the things that she was recognizing."
While she's not interested in being on the police commission board or
running for municipal politics, Grogan is learning more about how
government works. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Darling says the debate sparked by Grogan, Flip Saint John and Black
Lives Matter has prompted an "uptick" in the applications for vacant
spots on the police board.
"So I am confident at the end of this we'll have a stronger police
commission when we're done," he says.
Grogan, meanwhile, says she has gained a more detailed understanding
of how government institutions work.
"Today I'm going to sit through a growth committee meeting and learn
about an affordable housing strategy for the city," she says. "Prior
to all of this I wouldn't have known that the city was even looking to
create an affordable housing strategy."
Despite Grogan's better appreciation of how slow-moving governments
can be, and despite the blowback, "I would say things seem more
possible" than they were before that first tweet, she says.
"It's shown that there is sort of a new type of politics coming, some
new engagement. Young people are 'aging up' to the age now that
they're able to vote and get involved, and there is that generational
change."
About the Author
Jacques Poitras
Provincial Affairs reporter
Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New
Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC
political podcast Spin Reduxit.
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David Amos
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Methinks the RCMP should have informed the Saint John politicians and
their cops about I handle my concerns about their lack of Integrity
within Twitter etc a long time ago N'esy Pas?
Ray Oliver
Call me Darlin we will blow the whistle together.. LOL. Yeah. I'm a bad person
David Amos
Content disabled
Methinks CBC, Wayne Long, the Saint John Cops and the RCMP should
admit that when it comes politicking withinTwitter the little lady
does not hold a candle to mean old me N'esy Pas?
Dan Stewart
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: Any CBC articles about you lately Dave?
David Peters
Content disabled
Reply to @Dan Stewart:
All this article is about is an f bomb dropping...in the meantime, our
regions small and medium-sized businesses are reporting that their
businesses are quickly becoming unsustainable.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Methinks you should ask yourself why there
NEVER has been N'esy Pas?
Dan Stewart
Content disabled
Reply to @David Amos: I am pretty sure I know why
Dave... You, maybe not so much.....
Harvey York
Content disabled
Reply to @Dan Stewart: we all know why
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Harvey York: Methinks it follows that you dudes also know
why it is illegal that they didn't N'esy Pas?
Dan Stewart
Content disabled
Reply to @David Peters: I agree that it is in fact more about the
expletive used than anything else and that's actually a sad commentary
on much social media these days.
Our economic woes while always a struggle here have most certainly
suffered because of the world wide pandemic.. But that's not what this
article is about.
SarahRose Werner
A tweet that does nothing but drop the F-bomb on a group or individual
is not activism. It's just complaining. By reacting so strongly to
this particular complaint, politicians have encouraged more of the
same. If you want to make change, first learn how things work.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you think the young lady doth
protest too much N'esy Pas?
Matt Steele
Yep , certainly sounds like a product of the N.B. School System .
Sounds like someone who would throw a hissy fit by cursing and
swearing at a teacher , then threaten the teacher with a false
allegation if they can't get their way . Society teaches them well .
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Matt Steele: Methinks you and I were schooled by the same
system So who are you to judge the young lady's actions merely because
the corporate media and the politicians noticed her words and not
yours N'esy Pas?
Aloysius McGillicuddy
Calling someone the "most ineffective MP in history" is not activism.
It is Trumpism. Back in the day, people used to write "letters to the
editor". The editor would decide what was reasonable enough to print.
Now anyone with a smart phone gets the mic. And they often have no
expertise. So if 80% is not acceptable, what is? 81%? 85%? There was
no discussion of the results of the access to information and why
there were not charges. Should people be tried without evidence?
Should we spend time on trials where there is zero chance of
conviction and clog up our legal system even more? This kind of
twitter "activism" is just not constructive, its just yet another
loudmouth getting attention.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Aloysius McGillicuddy: Methinks you should know that much to
the chagrin of many a cop I used to consume your Menthol Mint
concoction by the gallon N'esy Pas?
James Risdon
Ever think that maybe a lot of cases actually are unfounded or do not
have sufficient evidence to move forward? Ever think that maybe the
police are actually doing their jobs?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks its time for your nap and have sweet
dreams about KISS Party days N'esy Pas?
Steve Ryan
Reply to @James Risdon:
You want her to think? No, people like her don't think, they just tweet.
James Risdon
Reply to @Steve Ryan: Well, maybe she's capable of deep thought but
was simply expressing a quick reaction at the time. I don't know her
so I can't say.
Mac Isaac
In previous generations the norm for entry into politics was to become
involved in some sort of community organization; then that involvement
matured to that of community leadership and then on to elected office.
Like most people my age, we WANT younger people to be engaged in their
communities. Maybe this method of engaging through social media is as
good a method as how it was formerly done but one thing I do know is
either way requires a good foundation and education on the issues and
the practicalities of your methodologies. Such blanket statements as
"f--- @saintjohn police" needs some reflection on how effective such
antagonism can be to the goal of improving/changing those things you
want improved/changed. Such statements will most certainly make you
visible but, at some point, you will need cooperation from some of the
very people you've alienated.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Methinks Trudeau the Younger broke that mold N'esy Pas?
Justin Gunther
Content disabled
Why would you give the CBC access to frame your story? You don't have
to want to run for office to point out the obvious, or serve as a
necessary vehicle of catharsis when police get out of hand, or
criticize what is manifestly stupid about politics, government and its
different departments.
You don't need to do those things because nobody put guns to the heads
of the people currently working these jobs. They took high profile
jobs that attract criticism. That's on them.
Cute though. The tactic, I mean. Oh dear what have I done..
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Justin Gunther: What have you done?
Jake Newman
why doesn't she put her name forth for the police commission, why
doesn't she become a police officer---oh wait easier to criticize
Winston Gray
Reply to @Jake Newman: says the guy commenting on a CBC article about
how easy it is to “do something”
Ronald Parker
Content disabled
Reply to @Jake Newman: As you just proved, it is easy to criticize.
Justin Gunther
Content disabled
Reply to @Ronald Parker: Much easier to have blue wall task forces
than public inquiries as well.
Terry Saxton
Reply to @Jake Newman: so to criticize you have to be a policeman,
commissioner ,can’t do it as an ordinary citizen, what country are you
from?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jake Newman: What is it you do that is so special?
SarahRose Werner
Reply to @Jake Newman: Given that Grogan is only now gaining "a more
detailed understanding of how government institutions work," I'm glad
to hear that she doesn't plan to join the police commission at this
time. She's not ready.
Larry Larson
Time to replace the Saint John force with cops who want to do the work!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Larry Larson: Dream On
Larry Larson
Reply to @David Amos: Hey! Les rêves sont bons!
Douglas James
Long is quoted as saying: "But when (social media) leaves issues-based
discussion, and turns to personal attacks that's when I think it's
counterproductive. And to be perfectly frank, it's destructive."
When I raised an issue about the census snooping into private lives,
this MP sat on the sidelines and gleefully watched live as his
principal assistant tried to publicly humiliate me on social media.
Wayne Long is a hypocrite.
Tom Simmons
Reply to @Douglas James: of course he is, it's part of being a liberal.
Winston Gray
Reply to @Tom Simmons: better than a Crookservative
Tom Simmons
Reply to @Winston Gray: In Canada, LIB / Cons are two sides of the
same coin. We don't have real conservative party here.
Winston Gray
Reply to @Tom Simmons: is that a veiled way of saying that the
conservative values you hold dear are so heinous that no party
represents those values? Good to know.
Tom Simmons
Reply to @Winston Gray: No I'm saying both the Liberal Party...and the
Conservative Party (both are left of center, liberal are farther left)
are one and the same. Really look at the platforms, it's the same.
Dan Stewart:
Reply to @Tom Simmons: Not having "a real Conservitve party here" Is
this government's saving grace. Now if the Federal party could figure
that out we would all be in a better place.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Douglas James: "Wayne Long is a hypocrite"
Methinks many would agree that he is worse than that N''esy Pas?
David Peters
Reply to @Tom Simmons:
The only party that offers a different platform, that's reasonable
imo, is the libertarian party.
Aloysius McGillicuddy
Reply to @Douglas James: A census does not snoop. It collects data
that can be turned into information so that we have more effective
public policy. So anti-"snoopers" are misguided and supporting
ideological rather than scientific public policy. This is ruining the
country. There's many protections of data anonymity in the collection
of census data.
Ian Scott
Its one thing to sit and type nasties to people on a screen, its
another to come out in the community and say things face to face or in
a committee when maybe not everyone shares your ideas and to get your
point across pleasantly and with statistics and reality to back you
up.
James Smythe
Reply to @Ian Scott: Have you ever tried to schedule a face to face
meeting with a politician, especially one higher up the food chain?
It’s near impossible. There’s almost no accountability anymore. I
commend this young lady for taking a free app and making her voice
heard. Is it sad that’s what it’s come to? Of course, but the burden
of arriving here does not rest solely on her shoulders.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Ian Scott: Methinks Mr Long and his cop buddies must admit
that I am not afraid of running for public office and suing the Crown
as well N'esy Pas?
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: You couldn't run 30 feet for a doughnut! ;-)
Al Clark
Reply to @David Amos: To sue you have to fill out a form and pay a
fee. Emails don't count.
Ben Haroldson
Content disabled
The be nice approach NEVER works.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Ben Haroldson: I know that to be a FACT OF LIFE
David Peters
Content disabled
Reply to @Ben Haroldson:
It does with nice, reasonable ppl, but many of those simply leave here.
Gil Murray
Lots of people like attention. Activist and politician - same coin
different side.
Ken Dwight
Reply to @Gil Murray: Or people commenting on social media boards. We
post comments because we want the attention, so what's the difference?
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Ken Dwight: Methinks the big difference is I comment on
social media boards in order to support my litigation N'esy Pas?
Michael G. L. Geraldson
Never underestimate the power of social media, or a woman's wrath!
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Michael G. L. Geraldson: Oh So True
Matt Steele
Ms. Grogan , like everyone else , has an opinion , but very little
will change . Sadly , N.B. is one of the poorest provinces in Canada ,
with one of the lowest ranked education systems , highest unemployment
rates , oldest populations , and nepotism in govt. hiring that is out
of control ; .and other than the population getting even older , I
have not seen any of these things change in the last 40 years . Ms.
Grogan is young and idealistic , but as she gets older , she will
learn what the reality really is in N.B. ; and then she must accept
that she can stay , or she can go....and many folks who want to be
successful have chosen to leave N.B.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Matt Steele: How should we regard your constant opinions?
Chris Merriam
Yeah, she's a real hero.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Chris Merriam: If you say so
Chris Merriam
Reply to @David Amos: Time for you to go to bed, little guy. I think
you've had enough internet for today.
Harvey York
Reply to @Chris Merriam: it's the end of the month. Needs to go cash
his cheque and refill his meds.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Chris Merriam: Methinks its interesting that two RCMP shills
followed me to a far more important story today that has been long
delayed in closing much to the chagrin of Mr Long et al N'esy Pas?
David Peters
This is sort of interesting, but, what about the letter the local
hotel association sent to city council on Monday night? A 5% occupancy
rate? What have we allowed a few authoritarian's to do to our economy?
Winston Gray
Reply to @David Peters: the only authoritarianism in this country is
being committed by the UCP in Alberta.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Winston Gray: Yea Right
David Peters
Reply to @Winston Gray:
What's an example of ucp policy that's authoritarian?
Elbridge Gerry | |
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_-_1943.1816_-_Harvard_Art_Museums.jpg) Portrait by Nathaniel Jocelyn | |
| 5th Vice President of the United States | |
| In office March 4, 1813 – November 23, 1814 | |
| President | James Madison |
| Preceded by | George Clinton |
| Succeeded by | Daniel D. Tompkins |
| 9th Governor of Massachusetts | |
| In office June 10, 1810 – June 5, 1812 | |
| Lieutenant | William Gray |
| Preceded by | Christopher Gore |
| Succeeded by | Caleb Strong |
| Member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Massachusetts's 3rd district | |
| In office March 4, 1789 – March 3, 1793 | |
| Preceded by | Constituency established |
| Succeeded by | Shearjashub Bourne Peleg Coffin Jr. |
| Member of the Congress of the Confederation from Massachusetts | |
| In office June 30, 1783 – September 1785 | |
| Member of the Continental Congress from Massachusetts | |
| In office February 9, 1776 – February 19, 1780 | |
| Personal details | |
| Born | Elbridge Thomas Gerry July 17, 1744 Marblehead, Province of Massachusetts Bay, British America |
| Died | November 23, 1814 (aged 70) Washington, D.C., U.S. |
| Resting place | Congressional Cemetery |
| Political party | Democratic-Republican |
| Spouse | |
| Children | 10 |
| Education | Harvard University (BA, MA) |
| Signature |  |
Gerrymandering
Gerrymandering can also be used to protect incumbents. Wayne Dawkins describes it as politicians picking their voters instead of voters picking their politicians.[4]
The term gerrymandering is named after American politician Elbridge Gerry,[a][5] Vice President of the United States at the time of his death, who, as Governor of Massachusetts in 1812, signed a bill that created a partisan district in the Boston area that was compared to the shape of a mythological salamander. The term has negative connotations and gerrymandering is almost always considered a corruption of the democratic process. The resulting district is known as a gerrymander (/ˈdʒɛriˌmændər, ˈɡɛri-/). The word is also a verb for the process
Elbridge Gerry (/ˈɡɛri/; July 17, 1744[a] – November 23, 1814) was an American Founding Father, politician, and diplomat who served as the fifth vice president of the United States under President James Madison from 1813 until his death in 1814. The political practice of gerrymandering is named after him. He was the second vice president to die in office.
Born into a wealthy merchant family, Gerry vocally opposed British colonial policy in the 1760s and was active in the early stages of organizing the resistance in the American Revolutionary War. Elected to the Second Continental Congress, Gerry signed both the Declaration of Independence and Articles of Confederation. He was one of three men who attended the Constitutional Convention in 1787 who refused to sign the United States Constitution because it did not include a Bill of Rights at the time it was signed. After its ratification, he was elected to the inaugural United States Congress, where he was actively involved in the drafting and passage of the Bill of Rights as an advocate of individual and state liberties.
Gerry was at first opposed to the idea of political parties and cultivated enduring friendships on both sides of the political divide between Federalists and Democratic-Republicans. He was a member of a diplomatic delegation to France that was treated poorly in the XYZ Affair, in which Federalists held him responsible for a breakdown in negotiations. Gerry thereafter became a Democratic-Republican, running unsuccessfully for Governor of Massachusetts several times before winning the office in 1810. During his second term, the legislature approved new state senate districts that led to the coining of the word "gerrymander"; he lost the next election, although the state senate remained Democratic-Republican. Gerry was nominated by the Democratic-Republican party and elected as vice president in the 1812 election. Advanced in age and in poor health, Gerry served 20 months of his term before dying in office. He is the only signatory of the Declaration of Independence buried in Washington, D.C.
The War of 1812 (18 June 1812 – 17 February 1815) was fought by the United States of America and its indigenous allies against the United Kingdom and its allies in British North America, with limited participation by Spain in Florida. It began when the US declared war on 18 June 1812 and, although peace terms were agreed upon in the December 1814 Treaty of Ghent, did not officially end until the peace treaty was ratified by Congress on 17 February 1815.[12][13]
Tensions originated in long-standing differences over territorial expansion in North America and British support for Native American tribes who opposed US colonial settlement in the Northwest Territory. These escalated in 1807 after the Royal Navy began enforcing tighter restrictions on American trade with France, exacerbated by the impressment of men claimed as British subjects, even those with American citizenship certificates.[14] Opinion was split on how to respond, and although majorities in both the House and Senate voted for war, they divided along strict party lines, with the Democratic-Republican Party in favour and the Federalist Party against.[d][15] News of British concessions made in an attempt to avoid war did not reach the US until late July, by which time the conflict was already underway.
At sea, the far larger Royal Navy imposed an effective blockade on US maritime trade, while between 1812 to 1814 British regulars and colonial militia defeated a series of American attacks on Upper Canada.[16] This was balanced by the US winning control of the Northwest Territory with victories at Lake Erie and the Thames in 1813. The abdication of Napoleon in early 1814 allowed the British to send additional troops to North America and the Royal Navy to reinforce their blockade, crippling the American economy.[17] In August 1814, negotiations began in Ghent, with both sides wanting peace; the British economy had been severely impacted by the trade embargo, while the Federalists convened the Hartford Convention in December to formalise their opposition to the war.
In August 1814, British troops burned Washington, before American victories at Baltimore and Plattsburgh in September ended fighting in the north. It continued in the Southeastern United States, where in late 1813 a civil war had broken out between a Creek faction supported by Spanish and British traders and those backed by the US. Supported by American militia under General Andrew Jackson, they won a series of victories, culminating in the capture of Pensacola in November 1814.[18] In early 1815, Jackson defeated a British attack on New Orleans, catapulting him to national celebrity and later victory in the 1828 United States presidential election.[19] News of this success arrived in Washington at the same time as that of the signing of the Treaty of Ghent, which essentially restored the position to that prevailing before the war. While Britain insisted this included lands belonging to their Native American allies prior to 1811, Congress did not recognize them as independent nations and neither side sought to enforce this requirement.
https://www.elections.ca/res/cir/maps/mapprov.asp?map=13008&lang=e
Redistribution of Federal Electoral Districts 2022
The Constitution of Canada requires that federal electoral districts be reviewed after each decennial (10-year) census to reflect changes and movements in Canada's population. The current federal redistribution process began in October 2021. It is led by independent commissions working separately in each province to establish electoral boundaries. The Chief Electoral Officer is tasked with applying the representation formula found in the Constitution to determine the new allocation of seats. Elections Canada is also responsible for providing administrative and technical support to the commissions. More information about Elections Canada's role can be found here.
On June 23, 2022 , Parliament amended the Representation Formula, which determines the number of Members of Parliament (MPs) to be assigned to each province. The new legislation ensures that every province retains, as a minimum, the same number of MPs that it had assigned during the 43rd Parliament elected in 2019. Using the new formula, the Chief Electoral Officer has recalculated how many MPs each province will be assigned. As a result, the province of Quebec will have 78 MPs, instead of the 77 calculated under the previous Representation Formula in October 2021. Due to this change, the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for Quebec will have 10 months from the day on which the new calculation of the CEO is published in the Canada Gazette to issue its final report.
The decennial redistribution for the 2020s will exceptionally require two Representation Orders, one for Quebec and another that will cover the other nine provinces. The new electoral districts will apply, for each province, in the first general election held at least seven months after their respective Representation Order is issued.
You can view the maps of the 338 current electoral districts. Note that commissions were not required for Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and Yukon, because each territory is a single electoral district.
Go to the 2022 redistribution website
- Timeline for the Redistribution of Federal Electoral Districts
- The role of Elections Canada
- The role of electoral boundaries commissions
- Frequently asked questions
- The representation formula
- House of Commons seat allocation by province 2022 to 2032
- Archives - Redistribution of federal electoral districts 2012
The Chief Electoral Officer (CEO) has specific duties in the federal redistribution process as provided in the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act. During the process, the CEO must:
- Calculate the number of House of Commons seats allocated to each province using the population estimates supplied by Statistics Canada and the formula set out in section 51 of the Constitution Act, 1867
- Provide each commission with the census population numbers and maps showing the distribution of the population in the province
- Provide administrative and technical support to the commissions (for example: help commissioners to establish offices, provide mapping resources)
- Prepare, in collaboration with Natural Resources Canada, paper and electronic maps of all electoral districts as described in the commissions? reports as well as the finalized maps once redistribution is completed
- Prepare a draft representation order
- Process payment of all expenses related to the redistribution process
- Act as a liaison between the Speaker of the House of Commons and the electoral boundaries commissions
The CEO does not decide how many House of Commons seats will be allocated to each province. Although the CEO calculates the number of seats allocated to each province, this calculation is merely a mathematical operation over which the CEO exercises no discretionary authority. In addition, the CEO does not decide on whether or how the House of Commons seats are distributed within each province—this decision is the exclusive prerogative of the Electoral Boundaries Commissions.
A New Federal Electoral Map is Taking Shape for New Brunswick
Edmundston, Thursday, June 16, 2022 – The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick has proposed a new electoral map for consideration at public hearings this September. The map introduces changes to the boundaries of New Brunswick's federal electoral districts and was developed through an independent and non-partisan process. The proposal is the first step in the development of a final report.
"The Commission has endeavoured to achieve effective federal representation for all New Brunswickers. In its proposal, every electoral district has been altered—some more substantially than others. As a result, the names of five of the proposed ridings have been changed to better describe their geographic locations. We look forward to hearing from interested parties, either in person during our public hearings or in writing. The Commission recognizes that matters such as community of interest or identity, historical patterns and geographic size are open to differing interpretations. We welcome submission on these matters," said the Honourable Justice Lucie A. LaVigne, Chair of the three-member commission. Dr. Condé Grondin, a retired professor of political science, and the Honourable Thomas Riordon, a retired justice of the Court of Queen's Bench of New Brunswick, are the other members of the Commission who are responsible for the readjustment of the province's federal electoral boundaries.
The proposal reflects New Brunswick's increase in population from 751,171 in 2011 to 775,610, as captured in the 2021 Census, and takes into consideration communities of interest or identity, and historic and geographic factors. The proposal can be found at redistribution2022.ca. It will be published in the Canada Gazette on July 2, 2022.
Under the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, the Commission's main aim in redrawing boundaries is to divide the province into 10 electoral districts that are as close to the electoral quota as reasonably possible, while taking into consideration the factors above. The electoral quota is calculated by dividing the population of the province by the number of electoral districts it has been allocated. In the case of New Brunswick, the quota for each electoral district is 77,561 (775,610 residents divided by 10 electoral districts).
Public Hearings
The New Brunswick commission is holding 11 public hearings, in person and virtually, to gather comments and feedback on the proposed boundaries and electoral district names.
| Location | Place of Hearing | Date of Hearing | Time of Hearing |
|---|---|---|---|
| Woodstock | Best Western Plus 123 Gallop Court (Exit 185) | Wednesday, September 7, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint-Quentin | Palais Centre-Ville Multifunctional Room 198 Canada Street | Thursday, September 8, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint-Léolin | Municipal Hall 115 des Prés Street | Tuesday, September 13, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Newcastle | Kinsmen Centre 100 Newcastle Boulevard | Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Shediac | Multipurpose Centre 58 Festival Street | Thursday, September 15, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Moncton | Hyatt Place Moncton (Rooms 1-2) 1000 Main Street | Tuesday, September 20, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Sussex | All Seasons Inn 1015 Main Street | Wednesday, September 21, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Rothesay | Bill McGuire Centre 95 James Renforth Drive | Thursday, September 22, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint Andrews | W. C. O'Neill Arena Complex 24 Reed Avenue | Tuesday, September 27, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Fredericton | Fredericton Inn Bi-Centennial Room 1315 Regent Street | Wednesday, September 28, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Virtual Hearing | The link will be provided to participants. | Thursday, September 29, 2022 | 7:00 p.m. |
Everyone is invited to attend. If you wish to make a presentation at a hearing, please send a notice of representation to the Commission no later than August 23, 2022. You can do so by:
- mailing it to the Commission's office
- emailing NB@redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca
- filling out the Public Hearing Notice Form
- using the Interactive Mapping Tool
Notices of representation should include:
- your name, address and contact information
- the organization you represent (if any)
- the date of the public hearing you wish to attend
- a short overview of the issue(s) you intend to address
- your official language of preference
- any accommodation you may need
Note
If you wish to send comments and feedback to the Commission without attending a public hearing, you can do so by email or mail or by using the Interactive Mapping Tool. To obtain a copy of the Commission's proposal or to learn more about the redistribution of federal electoral districts, visit redistribution2022.ca.
Information
Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick
Website: redistribution2022.ca
Email: NB@redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca
Mailing address
Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick
P.O. Box 161
Edmundston, NB E3V 3K8
Telephone (toll-free): 1-855-726-4109
TTY (toll-free): 1-800-361-8935
Media enquiries
The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick Invites the Public to Participate in Its Work
Edmundston, Thursday, February 10, 2022
The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick begins its review of the province's federal electoral districts following the 2021 decennial census. The Commission is composed of three members: the Honourable Justice Lucie A. LaVigne, Chair, and two other members, Condé R. Grondin and the Honourable Thomas Riordon.
The first step in the process consists in formulating a proposal on dividing the province into 10 electoral districts, establishing the boundaries of those electoral districts and, lastly, giving each of them a name.
The New Brunswick Commission will use the 2021 Census population counts, made available by the Chief Statistician of Canada on February 9, 2022, to revise the boundaries of the province's 10 federal electoral districts. The Commission will draft its redistribution proposal, expected in a few months, to reflect growth and shifts in the population since the last decennial census in 2011, balanced by consideration of communities of interest and identity as well as the districts' history and geographic size.
The proposal will then undergo a broad public consultation process during which the Commission will travel across New Brunswick to hear from those who wish to express their views or submit further feedback. Advance notice of these hearings will be published in local media and on the redistribution website.
To involve the public as soon as possible in the process of readjusting the electoral map and to inform the Commission's work in preparing the proposal, the Commission is now inviting those who wish to submit comments and suggestions to send them by mail or email no later than Thursday, March 31, 2022.
We consider advance consultations essential for making informed decisions. The objective is to gather feedback relating to electoral boundaries before we begin drafting our proposal for New Brunswick. The delimitation of electoral districts is an important component of our parliamentary system and the public's participation in this exercise is crucial to a transparent, impartial and rigorous process."
—The Honourable Justice Lucie A. LaVigne, Chair of the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick
The Commission thanks everyone in advance for their interest in its work. To learn more about the current redistribution process, visit redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca.
To submit your suggestions
By mail
Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick
PO Box 161
Edmundston, New Brunswick E3V 3K8
By email
NB@redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca
For general enquiries, contact the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick by mail, email or by phone at 855-726-4109 (toll-free).
Media enquiries
Meet your commission – New Brunswick
Meet the Commission for New Brunswick. Every commission has three members: a judge appointed by the Chief Justice of the province and two other members appointed by the Speaker of the House of Commons. Their role is to review the federal electoral boundaries for their province.
The Honourable Justice Lucie A. LaVigne (Chair)
Madam Justice LaVigne was born in Bathurst, New Brunswick. She received a Bachelor in Business Administration from l'Université de Moncton in 1977 and graduated from the University of New Brunswick Law School in 1980. She practised law in the City of Edmundston from 1980 to 2001. She was appointed Queen's Counsel in December 1996. On June 6, 2001, she was appointed to the New Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench, trial division, in Edmundston. On June 6, 2018, she was appointed to the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick.
Before her appointment to the Bench, she was actively involved in her community and is a past president of several associations including the Edmundston Chamber of Commerce, l'Escale Madavic Inc. (a shelter for battered women), the Edmundston Regional Hospital Foundation, Operation Red Nose-Madawaska and the Madawaska Law Society. At the time of her appointment to the Bench, she was vice-president of the Board of Governors of l'Université de Moncton. She has also been very active in home/school associations and with her parish.
Since her appointment to the Bench, she has frequently participated as chair, member of the organizing committee, presenter, panellist or facilitator at seminars and conferences for the continuing legal education of judges, lawyers and law students.
She has been very involved with the International Association of Women Judges (IAWJ). In 2008 she was elected president of the Canadian Chapter of the IAWJ. From 2010 to 2014, she was International Director representing North America on the Board of the IAWJ.
Married to Paul Albert since 1982, they have two adult children, Dr. Marie-Claude LaVigne-Albert (Antoine Tremblay-Bezeau) and Jolène LaVigne-Albert, Esq. (Pierre Haye).
Condé Grondin
Condé Grondin is a retired professor of political science from the University of New Brunswick, Fredericton. Born in St. Jacques, New Brunswick, Dr Grondin received his bachelor and master of education, and his doctor of philosophy in political science from the University of Alberta. His teaching, consulting and research interests focused on Canadian government and New Brunswick provincial politics and political behaviour. He was often sought out by the media for his opinion on the political landscape of New Brunswick. He was a member of the 2012 New Brunswick Electoral Boundaries and Representation Commission.
The Honourable Thomas Riordon
The Honourable Thomas Riordon was admitted to the Bar of New Brunswick in 1966, became a Queen's Counsel in 1982, and practised law in Bathurst until his appointment as a judge on the Court of Queen's Bench New Brunswick (Miramichi) in 1988. He retired in 2016 and now resides in Miramichi. Fluently bilingual, he has previously served as a member of the Judicial Council of New Brunswick and of the Pension Plan Appeals Board from 2007 to 2013. He was also a chair and member of the Mental Health Services Advisory Committee of New Brunswick, a member of the Expropriations Advisory Board of New Brunswick, a chair of the New Brunswick Planning Appeal Board, and a director of the Bathurst School of Nursing. Justice Riordon served as a member of the previous Federal Electoral Boundary Commission for the Province of New Brunswick in 2012-2013.
Part l: Introduction and Overview – New Brunswick
After each decennial census, an independent electoral boundaries commission is established for each province. Its task is to revise or, more properly stated, to readjust the boundaries of the federal electoral districts (sometimes called ridings) to reflect changes and movements in the province's population. The Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. E-3 ("the Act") sets out the procedure for the review.
The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick ("the Commission") was established on November 1, 2021. The Chair of the Commission, appointed by the Chief Justice of New Brunswick, is Madam Justice Lucie A. LaVigne, of the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick. The other members of the Commission, appointed by the Speaker of the House of Commons, are Dr. Conde Grondin, a retired professor of political science from the University of New Brunswick, and the Honourable Thomas Riordon, a retired justice of the Court of Queen's Bench of New Brunswick and Deputy Chair of the Commission. Mr. Riordon served as a member of the previous Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for the Province of New Brunswick in 2012–2013, while Dr. Grondin was a member of the 2012 Provincial Electoral Boundaries and Representation Commission for New Brunswick.
The Commission must propose a new electoral map for the Province of New Brunswick; consult with New Brunswickers through public hearings and review written submissions; submit a report on its considerations and propose an electoral map to the House of Commons; consider objections from members of the House of Commons; and prepare a final report outlining the electoral boundaries for the province.
The Commission will consider the input received from the public and from members of the House of Commons when determining the boundaries. However, as an independent body, the Commission makes all final decisions as to where these boundaries will lie.
The Starting Point ─ The 2021 Census
The 2021 Census established the total population for the province at 775,610. New Brunswick's representation in the House of Commons is 10 members and the province is accordingly divided into 10 electoral districts. The population of the province divided by 10 gives a provincial electoral quota of 77,561 residents per electoral district. From 2011 to 2021, the population of the province increased from 751,171 to 775,610, which is an increase of 24,439 or 3.25%. Some areas of the province grew faster than others, with Moncton and Dieppe being the province's fastest-growing cities, showing increases of 10.5% and 10.8% respectively.
Table 1 below shows the current electoral districts with their population counts from the 2021 Census and displays their current variances from the provincial electoral quota of 77,561 if no adjustments were to be made to their electoral boundaries.
| Federal Electoral District | Population 2021 | Variance(%) |
|---|---|---|
| Acadie—Bathurst | 77,594 | 0.04 |
| Beauséjour | 88,797 | 14.49 |
| Fredericton | 87,436 | 12.73 |
| Fundy Royal | 83,721 | 7.94 |
| Madawaska—Restigouche | 60,184 | -22.40 |
| Miramichi—Grand Lake | 57,520 | -25.84 |
| Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe | 101,237 | 30.53 |
| New Brunswick Southwest | 67,781 | -12.61 |
| Saint John—Rothesay | 81,996 | 5.72 |
| Tobique—Mactaquac | 69,344 | -10.59 |
Voter Parity and Effective Representation
Section 15 of the Act directs that the population of each electoral district shall correspond as closely as reasonably possible to the electoral quota. The Act, however, also requires the Commission to consider several other factors and permits the Commission to depart from the quota in any case where it considers it necessary or desirable:
- in order to respect the community of interest or community of identity in or the historical pattern of an electoral district in the province, or
- in order to maintain a manageable geographic size for districts in sparsely populated, rural or northern regions of the province.
When considering these factors, the Commission must make every effort to ensure that, except in circumstances it views as extraordinary, the population of each electoral district in the province remain within ±25% of the electoral quota.
In conjunction with the provisions of the Act, the Commission's decisions must be guided by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which guarantees Canadian citizens the right to vote in federal and provincial elections. In Reference re Provincial Electoral Boundaries (Sask.) [1991] 2 S.C.R. 158 ("Carter"), the Supreme Court of Canada held that the purpose of the right to vote, as guaranteed by section 3 of the Charter, "is not equality of voting power but the right to 'effective representation'" (p. 182). At issue was a Saskatchewan provincial electoral map that displayed large deviations from representation by population to the benefit of rural voters and at the expense of urban ones. Effective representation was understood by the Court to entail voter parity as the primary concern, but to permit deviations for reasons such as "geography, community history, community interests and minority representation," in order to "effectively represent the diversity of our social mosaic" (p. 184).
Each of these factors can, like the size of the population in the riding, have an impact on the ability of a member of Parliament to effectively represent the people he or she was elected to represent. Departures from voter parity are permitted where they can be justified as contributing to better government of the populace as a whole. The concept of effective representation is a key consideration for the proper operation of Canadian democracy.
The Commission, being a federal institution, has certain duties pertaining to the Government of Canada's commitment to promote the development and vitality of the English and French linguistic minority communities in Canada. Therefore, the Commission must take into account the impact of its decisions on the official-language minority community; in New Brunswick, this refers to the French-language community. There is a strong Francophone and Acadian presence in the Province of New Brunswick; effective representation for this linguistic minority is an important goal, especially in New Brunswick, Canada's only officially bilingual province.
The Commission has endeavoured to achieve the effective representation of New Brunswickers in Parliament. The sparsely populated northern regions of the province, the topography of certain ridings and New Brunswick's linguistic profile presented a few challenges in the configuration of appropriate electoral districts.
Public Participation
The Commission invited the public to participate in the creation of its initial redistribution proposal by providing their written suggestions or comments. We received several submissions and refer to some of them in the following two paragraphs and in Part II of this document. The Commission wishes to thank everyone who provided comments for our review and consideration during this advance public consultation process. These comments identified many issues that we discussed and considered. Some were in direct contradiction to each other. The Commission could not accommodate the wishes of all. However, many of the suggestions were incorporated in this redistribution proposal, some in their entirety, others in part.
We received a brief from the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick. It summarized its view of the applicable principles as well as the Commission's obligations and duties according to the Act, the Charter and the jurisprudence. It noted that New Brunswick presently has three predominantly French-speaking electoral districts (Acadie—Bathurst, Beauséjour and Madawaska—Restigouche), one bilingual district (Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe) and six mainly English-speaking districts (Fredericton, Fundy Royal, Miramichi—Grand Lake, New Brunswick Southwest, Saint John—Rothesay and Tobique—Mactaquac), and expressed the hope that this will also be the case at the end of this redistribution process. The Commission is of the view that its redistribution proposal maintains the status quo concerning the linguistic profile of the electoral districts.
Local governance reform is now underway in New Brunswick. However, the new local government boundaries are not expected to come into effect before January 1, 2023. Therefore, as indicated in the Appendix, when describing the electoral districts, "wherever a word or expression is used to denote a territorial division, such word or expression shall indicate the territorial division as it existed or was bounded on the first day of January 2021, unless otherwise stated." We have made only one departure from the general rule. At the request of the City of Fredericton, when drawing the proposed electoral district of Fredericton—Oromocto, we have included in that riding all of the territory that is expected to be included within the limits of the City of Fredericton after the completion of the local governance reform process. The Commission reserves the right to readjust territorial divisions to take into account some or all of the local governance reform, should we conclude that there is a need to do so before submitting our final report.
The Initial Redistribution Proposal
As shown in Table 1, the current electoral district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe exceeds the electoral quota by 30.53%, while Miramichi—Grand Lake falls short of it by 25.84%. The Commission is of the view that there are no extraordinary circumstances that would justify allowing any electoral district in New Brunswick to deviate by more than 25% or less than 25% of the electoral quota. In view of the above, it is obvious that changes to the electoral map of the province are required.
The Commission agrees that change should not be made just for change's sake. Therefore, we set out to make the adjustments with a minimum of disturbance to the current boundaries, while at the same time considering the principles set out in section 15 of the Act, the Charter and the jurisprudence. However, when one adjusts the boundary or boundaries of one electoral district, it necessitates the adjustment of adjoining ridings, which can have a domino effect on other ridings. In the proposal, all electoral districts in New Brunswick have been altered—some more substantially than others—to better promote relative voter parity while maintaining effective representation.
As part of its mandate, the Commission reviewed the names of all 10 electoral districts. Because of the proposed changes to the boundaries, the Commission considers it appropriate to make changes to the names of five of the proposed districts, to better describe their geographic locations. The names of electoral districts in New Brunswick have usually reflected geographic features and historically significant place names. Names such as Madawaska—Restigouche and Tobique—Mactaquac have tremendous historical and cultural significance to the people of those ridings, and therefore we are not suggesting any name change notwithstanding the proposed changes to the boundaries of these districts.
After careful review, the Commission proposes maps and boundaries that reflect the names and population numbers found in Table 2 below.
| Federal Electoral District | Population 2021 | Variance(%) |
|---|---|---|
| Acadie—Bathurst | 79,581 | 2.60 |
| Beauséjour | 88,490 | 14.09 |
| Fredericton—Oromocto | 85,540 | 10.29 |
| Fundy Royal—Riverview | 74,261 | -4.25 |
| Madawaska—Restigouche | 71,099 | -8.33 |
| Miramichi—Grand Lake | 59,725 | -23.00 |
| Moncton—Dieppe | 91,333 | 17.76 |
| Saint John—Kennebecasis | 81,954 | 5.66 |
| Saint John—St. Croix | 78,963 | 1.81 |
| Tobique—Mactaquac | 64,664 | -16.63 |
Two of the current electoral districts were beyond the allowable variance of ±25% and another was very close. With its proposal, the Commission effects a redistribution that brings most of the electoral districts closer to the provincial electoral quota and improves relative voter parity, in the sense that no riding is now outside the 25% limit and most of the ridings have a 10.29% variance or less. The Commission is satisfied that effective representation can occur within the proposed boundaries.
Although Part I of this document gives the general reasons for our proposed redistribution plan, Part II provides narrative descriptions of all proposed electoral districts, an overview of the changes proposed for each electoral district and additional reasons for these specific changes.
The Act calls for public hearings so that the Commission can hear representations from interested persons concerning its proposed redistribution plan before submitting its final report to the Chief Electoral Officer of Canada. The times and places of these public hearings are set out in Part III of this document. The Commission has adopted rules for the conduct of the public hearings and the making of representations. These rules are set out in Parts IV and V. The Appendix contains legal descriptions and maps of the proposed electoral districts.
We look forward to hearing from interested parties, either in person during our public hearings or in writing. The Commission recognizes that matters such as community of interest or identity, historical patterns and manageable geographic size are open to differing interpretations as they apply generally or to particular electoral districts. We welcome submissions on these matters.
Simultaneous translation will be available in both official languages at all public hearings.
Part ll: Overview of the Changes Proposed for Each Electoral District and Additional Reasons for these Changes – New Brunswick
Acadie—Bathurst
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst comprise the current electoral district plus that part of the Regional Municipality of Tracadie (which includes the communities of Rivière-du-Portage, Haut-Rivière-du-Portage and Brantville) that is situated in the current electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake. The proposed electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst has a population of 79,581 and is 2.60% above the provincial electoral quota.
At the beginning of this redistribution process, the Commission did not believe that this electoral district required any restructuring. However, during our pre-proposal consultation, we received a written submission from Mr. Keith Chiasson, the MLA for Tracadie-Sheila, bringing to our attention the fact that a small section of the Regional Municipality of Tracadie, more specifically the communities of Rivière-du-Portage, Haut-Rivière-du-Portage and Brantville (consisting of approximately 1,990 people), is included in the electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake, while the much larger section of the regional municipality is located in the electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst.
Mr. Chiasson submitted that the populations of these communities are predominantly Francophone and Acadian and that their linguistic profile and sense of belonging align with the Acadian Peninsula and the electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst, where they go for services and daily needs, such as schools, health services, shops, businesses, financial and legal services, and provincial and federal government offices. We note that the entirety of the Regional Municipality of Tracadie is included in the Acadian Peninsula Regional Service Commission. We were also copied on a letter sent to the Minister of Local Government and Local Governance Reform by a citizen of Rivière-du-Portage, asking that these communities become part of Acadie—Bathurst, so that its citizens would be represented by the member of Parliament for Acadie—Bathurst.
The Commission believes that these communities can be more effectively represented as part of the electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst, with which they share a community of interest as well as a community of identity based on language and culture. Although the proposed Miramichi—Grand Lake riding has the highest negative variance from the provincial electoral quota, we view this as a case where the need for effective representation clearly trumps the lack of voter parity.
Beauséjour
The Commission is proposing a minor change to the electoral district of Beauséjour, assigning that very small part of the City of Moncton that is currently in the riding of Beauséjour to the proposed riding of Moncton—Dieppe. The proposed electoral district of Beauséjour has a population of 88,490 and is 14.09% above the provincial electoral quota.
We received a submission from the Kent Regional Service Commission suggesting far-reaching changes to several of the current districts, which would require a major restructuring of New Brunswick's electoral map, including the disappearance of Miramichi—Grand Lake, Fundy Royal, Tobique—Mactaquac, and New Brunswick Southwest; and the creation of Central NB, Albert—Tantramar, Western Valley—Charlotte and Kings—York.
The submission suggested that all communities that are part of the Kent Regional Service Commission be assigned to the proposed electoral district of Beauséjour. Several of these communities (mostly in Kent County but also some in Northumberland County) are in the current and proposed electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake, a district that is underpopulated. It further suggested that the southern part of the riding, including the communities of Sackville, Dorchester, Port Elgin, and surrounding areas, be removed from Beauséjour and assigned to the riding that is now called Fundy Royal. Similar suggestions for Beauséjour were made by a citizen of Miramichi—Grand Lake, calling for the transfer from Miramichi—Grand Lake to Beauséjour of communities that are situated in Kent County and the transfer of the southern part of the riding to Fundy Royal.
The removal of the suggested communities from Miramichi—Grand Lake would require further additions to that electoral district, if it is to stay within 25% of the electoral quota. Transferring the suggested communities from Beauséjour to Fundy Royal would mean that some inhabitants and the member of Parliament for Fundy Royal would have to travel through the ridings of Beauséjour and Moncton—Dieppe to reach each other. The Regional Commission also noted that the suggested changes would mean that Beauséjour, along with the two districts of the north, would represent mainly French-speaking communities. As previously noted, our redistribution plan maintains the status quo.
The Commission does not believe that the electoral map of the province or the electoral district of Beauséjour requires fundamental restructuring as suggested. Although the population of Beauséjour has increased, the Commission is of the view that the increase does not warrant a change of its boundaries. Its relatively high population compared to the other rural electoral districts is justified, given that it is geographically the smallest rural electoral district (approximately 4,080 km2). This district has a strong community of interest and, in our view, it is appropriate in both size and character. Although Beauséjour would have a population count closer to the electoral quota if these suggestions were adopted, the Commission did not deem that this would contribute to more effective representation.
Fredericton (suggested name: Fredericton—Oromocto)
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Fredericton be renamed Fredericton—Oromocto. It would comprise the current existing district plus those parts situated in the current district of Tobique—Mactaquac that are included within the new proposed limit of the City of Fredericton, as of April 8, 2022; less the Parish of Burton assigned to the proposed electoral district of Saint John—St. Croix; and less the Parish of Sheffield and those parts of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning that are in the current riding of Fredericton, assigned to Miramichi—Grand Lake. The proposed electoral district of Fredericton—Oromocto has a population of 85,540 and is 10.29% above the provincial electoral quota.
The Commission received a submission from the City of Fredericton, as well as from two members of the public who live within the city limits but are part of the current district of Tobique—Mactaquac, asking that the entirety of the City of Fredericton be included in one district instead of two as it now stands.
The City of Fredericton is the urban centre of New Brunswick's Capital Region. The City is of the view that the community of interest shared by the urban electorate is best advanced by combining in one electoral district: the entirety of the City of Fredericton (per the new proposed city limits), the Town of Oromocto, the Village of New Maryland, the St. Mary's First Nation, and the Oromocto First Nation. There is no doubt that a strong community of interest and historical ties exist among these communities.
The adoption of the City's suggestions would also permit the transfer of the Parish of Sheffield and those parts of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning that are in the current riding of Fredericton to the proposed riding of Miramichi—Grand Lake, which is chronically underpopulated. This factor also militates in favour of accepting the suggestions we received concerning the readjustment of the boundaries of this riding.
The Commission concludes that the arguments made in favour of the suggested changes are reasonable and we are proposing to go along with them. However, we are of the opinion that the proposed electoral district should be renamed Fredericton—Oromocto, to give a better description of the new geography of the district.
Fundy Royal (suggested name: Fundy Royal—Riverview)
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Fundy Royal be renamed Fundy Royal—Riverview. It would comprise the current electoral district plus that part of the Town of Riverview that is in the current electoral district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe; less the Parish of Waterborough assigned to the proposed electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake; and less the Town of Quispamsis, which would be assigned to the proposed electoral district of Saint John—Kennebecasis. The proposed electoral district of Fundy Royal—Riverview has a population of 74,261 and is 4.25% below the provincial electoral quota.
There exists a community of interest as well as historical ties between the Town of Riverview and the riding of Fundy Royal, because approximately 50% of the population of Riverview is already part of the riding of Fundy Royal. In fact, the Commission received comments from a resident of the Town of Riverview expressing her frustration with the fact that the Town of Riverview was divided between two ridings and commenting that many did not seem to know where the dividing line between the districts was situated. The community of identity is obvious, as the riding of Fundy Royal and the Town of Riverview are both heavily populated with majority-Anglophone communities.
The transfer of the remainder of the Town of Riverview to Fundy Royal is also driven by the fact that the current district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, with a variance of 30.53% over the electoral quota, is beyond the allowable variance; therefore, a part of this riding must be transferred to another district. Obviously, similar arguments to those made above could also be used, at least in part, to justify transferring the remainder of Dieppe to the district of Beauséjour. Therefore, in the section dealing with the proposed electoral district of Moncton—Dieppe, we explain further why the Commission is proposing to transfer the remainder of the Town of Riverview to Fundy Royal, instead of transferring the remainder of the City of Dieppe to Beauséjour.
The community of Waterborough adjoins the community of Chipman. We assigned Waterborough to Miramichi—Grand Lake, because of its geographic proximity to the communities of Canning, Minto and Chipman, which are all part of the proposed electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake. Its addition to Miramichi—Grand Lake will help increase the population count of that riding. The Commission is also of the view that Waterborough has a community of interest and identity with the communities in the proposed riding of Miramichi—Grand Lake.
Bearing in mind relative voter parity, the Commission has assigned the Town of Quispamsis to the proposed electoral district of Saint John—Kennebecasis. We have more to say about this proposed move in discussing the proposed district of Saint John—Kennebecasis.
The proposed district of Fundy Royal—Riverview, while mostly rural, has a landmass that is less than half the size of the two geographically largest electoral districts, Miramichi—Grand Lake and Tobique—Mactaquac. Therefore, a higher population is justified.
As the entirety of the Town of Riverview will be included in this proposed riding, the Commission proposes that the name of the electoral district be changed to Fundy Royal—Riverview. The new boundary changes dictate a change of name to better reflect the new geographic boundary.
Madawaska—Restigouche
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche, whose population is 22.40% below the provincial quota, comprise the current electoral district plus the Parish of Grand Falls, the Town of Grand Falls, the Parish of Drummond, the Village of Drummond, and the Rural Community of Saint-André, which are in the current electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac. We are also proposing a small adjustment concerning the boundaries around the Mount Carleton Provincial Park and the Nepisiguit Protected Natural Area, so that the entirety of the Park and Protected Area will be in the proposed district of Madawaska—Restigouche, rather than leaving a very small part of it (which has a population count of zero) in the proposed district of Miramichi—Grand Lake. The proposed electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche has a population of 71,099 and is 8.33% below the provincial electoral quota.
Travelling from the west to the east of this riding, and vice versa, is challenging, due to the distance and a poor transportation system. More than 300 kilometres separate Connors in Madawaska from Colborne in Restigouche, and it takes more than three and a half hours to travel this distance by car. We believe that the geographical challenges justify it having a population that is 8.33% below the provincial electoral quota.
The Commission received three different submissions making suggestions that would affect the electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche. None of these submissions seemed to be from residents of the communities being transferred, and the Commission did not retain any of these submissions in their totality. However, all three suggested that the regions of Saint-André, Grand Falls, and Drummond should be in the same riding as Madawaska County. Although this region will add landmass to the riding, it will not increase the distance from the west to the east.
These communities have historical ties, as well as a community of interest, with communities in both Madawaska—Restigouche and Tobique—Mactaquac. From 1966 to 1996, they were in the same riding as the communities of Madawaska County; the riding was then known as Madawaska—Victoria. In fact, the line that separates the two counties runs through the Town of Grand Falls. It is also noted that these communities are included in the Northwest Regional Service Commission, along with the rest of the communities of Madawaska County.
They have a stronger community of identity with the riding of Madawaska—Restigouche than with Tobique—Mactaquac, due to language and culture. The population of this region is predominantly Francophone. More than 78% of the people of the current district of Madawaska—Restigouche are Francophones, while less than 17% of the people of the current district of Tobique—Mactaquac are Francophones.
Furthermore, this readjustment contributes to an increase in the population of the current electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche, which has a variance that is very close to the allowable limit, at 22.40% below the provincial quota. Extending the boundary of Madawaska—Restigouche to include the Francophone communities that are situated in the northern part of the adjoining riding of Tobique—Mactaquac brings the population of Madawaska—Restigouche closer to the electoral quota, with a variance of -8.33%. We realize that this move will bring the population count of the proposed district of Tobique—Mactaquac further from the electoral quota, from -10.59% to -16.63%, notwithstanding the additions that we are proposing for that district. One district has moved closer to the electoral quota by gaining 14.07%, while the other has lost 6.04%. Therefore, this readjustment promotes relative voter parity in the overall electoral map of the province.
The Commission concludes that, when the factors of relative voter parity, community of interest, community of identity and historical pattern are taken as a whole, the communities being transferred can be more effectively represented as part of the proposed electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche.
Miramichi—Grand Lake
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake comprise the current electoral district plus that part added by extending the district southward to include the Parish of Sheffield and those parts of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning that are in the current electoral district of Fredericton; plus the Parish of Waterborough that is in the current electoral district of Fundy Royal; less that part of the Regional Municipality of Tracadie currently located in this riding (which includes the communities of Rivière-du-Portage, Haut-Rivière-du-Portage and Brantville) assigned to the proposed electoral district of Acadie—Bathurst; and less a very small area within the Mount Carleton Provincial Park and Nepisiguit Protected Natural Area (which has a population count of zero), assigned to the proposed electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche. The proposed electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake has a population of 59,725 and is 23.00% below the provincial electoral quota.
It covers a land area of approximately 18,500 square kilometres, or 25% of the province's landmass, making it the largest riding in New Brunswick. Tobique—Mactaquac comes in second, at approximately 15,500 square kilometres.
The population of the current electoral district now stands at 57,520, which is 25.84% below the provincial electoral quota. With the transfer to Acadie—Bathurst of that small part of the Regional Municipality of Tracadie that was in Miramichi—Grand Lake (approximately 1,990 residents), this variance increases to approximately 28% under the provincial electoral quota. A variance of more than 25% of the electoral quota is not allowed by the Act, as the Commission concluded that there were no extraordinary circumstances that would justify allowing any electoral district in New Brunswick to deviate by more or less than 25% of the electoral quota. Therefore, additions must be made to this riding to keep it within the allowable variance.
Water is an impediment to expansion on its eastern boundary. Adding to the challenges of the reconfiguration of an appropriate electoral district is the fact that this district is surrounded by the three predominantly Francophone ridings and has large, very sparsely populated areas. Its neighbour to the west, the proposed electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac, is also substantially underpopulated, with a variance of 16.63% below the provincial quota.
In addition to comments received from the public relevant to this riding (alluded to in the discussion of the riding of Beauséjour), the Commission also received a written submission from Mr. Jake Stewart, the member of Parliament for Miramichi—Grand Lake. He encouraged the Commission to maintain the current riding as is. As explained above, this is not allowed. As an alternative, he suggested that we consider extending the district westerly and assign to it the communities of Juniper, Stanley and other smaller rural communities nearby. As noted, the riding to the west is Tobique—Mactaquac, which is also substantially underpopulated.
It is in part these reasons that prompted the Commission to propose an extension toward the south, where the communities of interest and identity better align and there is more population.
Considering that the parishes of Maugerville and Canning are already partly in the current riding of Miramichi—Grand Lake, the Commission is of the view that the remaining part of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning and the parishes of Sheffield and Waterborough are well suited additions to this riding, because of their character as rural communities, their economic community of interest and their linguistic profile.
Notwithstanding our efforts to increase the population of this district, the deviation from the electoral quota (-23.00%) is still very high. It is the highest in the province, nearing the lower tolerance level. Bearing in mind the main objective of effective representation, the Commission concludes that it is more important to conserve this electoral district with a small population than to create a riding with a population closer to the electoral quota, whose residents feel that they do not belong, by reason of the community of interest or identity binding them to an adjacent riding.
This decision is consistent with the provisions of the Act, which permit the Commission to look beyond the principle of representation by population to consider manageable geographic size for sparsely populated, rural, or northern regions of a province. It is generally recognized that it is more difficult to represent large rural districts than small urban districts. The problems of representing a vast, sparsely populated territory warrants a lower population count in this district.
Notwithstanding its large geographic size, the shared interests of its population makes this electoral district viable. Technological advancement continues to ease communication challenges formerly experienced in large geographic areas. Thus, despite its size, the Commission is of the view this electoral district can be effectively represented.
Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe (suggested name: Moncton—Dieppe)
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe be renamed Moncton—Dieppe and comprise the current electoral district plus that very small part of the City of Moncton that is in the current electoral district of Beauséjour; less that part of the Town of Riverview that is in the current district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, assigned to the proposed electoral district of Fundy Royal—Riverview. The proposed electoral district of Moncton—Dieppe has a population of 91,333 and is 17.76% above the provincial electoral quota.
The Commission recognizes the ties that bind the three communities that form the current riding. These militated strongly thus far in favour of keeping all of them together within one electoral district. However, we are of the view that keeping them together while continuing to chip away parts of Dieppe and Riverview is no longer the most appropriate configuration for this riding when considering the available alternatives for creating an electoral map for New Brunswick.
The population of the current electoral district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe grew from 89,484 in 2011 to 101,237 in 2021. Thus, its population is 30.53% over the provincial electoral quota and adjustments are therefore required.
The Commission received a submission from the City of Moncton
recognizing that changes to the boundaries of this riding were
inevitable, to comply with the Act. It noted that the population count
of the City of Moncton is now at 79,470, which is 2.46% above the
electoral quota. It stated: Previous Commissions have drawn our
federal electoral district boundaries with a goal of respecting the
community of interest and identity that is present [...] in the greater
Moncton area. Although the merit of this approach is undeniable, our
desire to continue to collaborate and share with our regional partners
to deliver the best possible services to our combined citizens will
continue regardless of the boundaries chosen.
In conclusion, it stated that the City of Moncton's preferred option is a Moncton riding that coincides with [the] City's current municipal boundaries.
We seriously considered this option but, for reasons explained below,
the Commission concluded that the part of the City of Dieppe that is
currently in this riding and the City of Moncton should be kept together
in the proposed district of Moncton—Dieppe.
Transferring both the remainder of the City of Dieppe and the Town of Riverview to other ridings, as suggested, would require major changes to several other ridings. Transferring the remainder of Dieppe (a population of 11,863) to Beauséjour would increase the population of Beauséjour to 100,353, thus bringing it beyond the allowable limit of 25%, at 29.39% above the electoral quota. As previously explained, we are basically proposing that the electoral district of Beauséjour remain as is, because we found it appropriate in both size and character.
As noted earlier, we also received a submission from the Société de l'Acadie du Nouveau-Brunswick expressing its wish that the riding currently known as Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe remain bilingual after the redistribution process. The Commission is of the view that it is desirable that the riding encompassing the City of Moncton remain bilingual, provided that this can be done within the confines of the law and jurisprudence that govern us.
Statistics Canada will release the data concerning the linguistic diversity and use of English and French in Canada on August 17, 2022. In the meantime, we are using the 2016 data. For that part of Dieppe that remains in the proposed district, this data shows that 60.6% of its population indicate French as the language spoken most often at home, while 66.6% indicate that their mother tongue is French. For the City of Moncton, this data shows that 23% of its population indicate French as the language spoken most often at home, while 30.7% indicate that their mother tongue is French. By keeping part of the City of Dieppe within the same electoral district as the City of Moncton, these percentages increase to 27.8% and 35.4% respectively. At the end of the last redistribution, these percentages for the current electoral district of Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe were 28.95% and approximately 34.5% respectively.
Notwithstanding the bilingual status of the City of Moncton, the Commission is of the opinion that the dilution of the Francophone critical mass and the loss of a Francophone municipality (Dieppe) would endanger the effective representation of the Francophone minority in the suggested new riding, in that it would weaken that minority's political influence and diminish its ability to voice its concerns effectively.
Furthermore, the Acadians and Francophones of Dieppe and Moncton (in the proposed electoral district of Moncton—Dieppe) represent a community of interest, in that their interests are intrinsically tied in with the substantial Francophone institutional network found in the Moncton area. Keeping Moncton and Dieppe together in the proposed district of Moncton—Dieppe makes it possible to preserve the integrity of the community of interest formed by the Francophone population of Dieppe and Moncton toward the Francophone institutional network located therein, and to preserve a Francophone critical mass in the proposed district of Moncton—Dieppe.
Because the proposed electoral district of Moncton—Dieppe is at most one twenty-fifth the geographic area of the Beauséjour riding, a larger population is to be expected. The variance from the electoral quota for Moncton—Dieppe is high (+17.76%) but, considering the density of the population in a very small area, it should not jeopardize the member of Parliament's ability to represent the people of the riding effectively. We note that, at the end of the previous redistribution process in 2013, this riding was 19.3% above the provincial quota. Urban electoral districts, by virtue of their smaller geographic size and representative accessibility, are justified in having higher positive variances from the electoral quota.
The 2021 Census revealed that Moncton and Dieppe are the province's fastest-growing cities; therefore, it is important to leave some room for both to grow. The proposed changes leave both the electoral districts of Moncton-Dieppe (+17.76%) and Beauséjour (+14.09%) well within the 25% range of deviation permitted by the Act.
In our analysis, we concluded that the factors found in section 15 of the Act, especially the community of interest factor, as well as fair representation for New Brunswick's linguistic minority, militate in favour of keeping part of the City of Dieppe in the same riding as the City of Moncton.
The Commission believes that those factors are, in this case, more
important than voter parity is to ensuring effective representation. As
stated by the Supreme Court of Canada in Carter, to insist on voter
parity might deprive citizens with distinct interests of an effective
voice in the legislative process as well as of effective assistance from
their representatives in their 'ombudsman' role
(p. 188).
With the removal of Riverview from the Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe riding, it is incumbent on the Commission to rename the riding Moncton—Dieppe to reflect the changes in the boundary of the riding.
New Brunswick Southwest (suggested name: Saint John—St. Croix)
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of New Brunswick Southwest be renamed Saint John—St. Croix. It would comprise the current electoral district plus that part of the current electoral district of Saint John—Rothesay lying west of the Saint John River and Saint John Harbour; plus the Parish of Burton, which is in the current electoral district of Fredericton; less the villages of Harvey and McAdam, the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear, McAdam, Manners Sutton and Prince William, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and the Kingsclear Indian Reserve No. 6, assigned to the proposed electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac. The proposed electoral district of Saint John—St. Croix has a population of 78,963 and is 1.81% above the provincial electoral quota.
The current riding covers approximately 11,800 square kilometres and includes constituents living on three islands, a situation that presents unique travel and representation challenges. With the proposed new boundaries, the size of the riding will decrease to approximately 8,600 square kilometres, making it more manageable.
Concerning the Parish of Burton, as previously explained, the Commission accepted the suggestions from the City of Fredericton, and therefore Burton had to be transferred to its only other adjoining riding, the proposed electoral district of Saint John—St. Croix. We believe that it is better suited to this riding than to the proposed district of Fredericton—Oromocto.
The Commission has given additional reasons for transferring the above-listed communities to the proposed electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac in the section dealing with that riding. With the transfer of these communities to Tobique—Mactaquac, the addition of part of the City of Saint John to this riding effects a desirable population adjustment between this riding and the current riding of Saint John—Rothesay, to which we have assigned the Town of Quispamsis, increasing its population. However, this means that the City of Saint John will be divided between two ridings.
At the request of the City of Fredericton and the City of Moncton, the Commission proposes that these cities be reunited so that the entirety of the city be in one riding, as was the situation with all other cities in the province, except for Dieppe. In stark contrast to this, we are now proposing that the City of Saint John be divided, by using the Saint John River and Saint John Harbour as a natural topographical division, and transferring the part lying west of this dividing line to the proposed electoral district of Saint John—St. Croix.
The Commission recognizes that, in addition to dividing one city into two electoral districts, this proposal also attaches a small part of the City of Saint John to a largely rural electoral district.
Hybrid electoral districts are sometimes necessary, or desirable, to bring population numbers more in line with the provincial quota or to deal with natural topographical divisions. In the past, Saint John was, in fact, a mixed urban-rural electoral district known as Saint John—Albert. Boundaries can be drawn in many ways, but each case must be determined with regard to its particular facts, the statutory criteria, the population count and the available alternatives for creating an electoral map for the province and a workable electoral district that can be effectively represented.
We are aware that an option similar to what we are proposing for the City of Saint John was suggested in the past and considered by at least one previous commission, in 2003. However, the option was not part of the commission's original redistribution proposal submitted for public input. Therefore, awareness of the proposal was not widespread and there was little opportunity for public intervention and feedback. That commission was of the view that further public consultation was advisable. By suggesting these changes at the proposal stage this time, we hope to allow for proper public input and debate during the public consultation phase, including the public hearings.
There is an obvious and shared community of interest between the population of the proposed electoral districts of Saint John—St. Croix and Saint John—Kennebecasis. Some would say that they are one and the same community of interest, with common challenges and concerns and historical ties. The community of identity of the proposed ridings of Saint John—St. Croix and Saint John—Kennebecasis is significant, with over 90% of the population of these ridings having English as their first language. Both districts border the Bay of Fundy.
The City of Saint John will remain the major business, economic and service centre for most of the population of this proposed riding, especially the residents from the counties of Charlotte and Saint John.
Finally, the Commission recommends that the name for the electoral
district of New Brunswick Southwest be changed to Saint John—St. Croix
because of the addition of part of west Saint John to the current
district of New Brunswick Southwest. The redistribution proposal of the
2002 Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for the Province of New
Brunswick contains an extensive review of the names proposed for the
electoral districts. In relation to the significance of the Island of
St. Croix, which is referred to as the birthplace of Acadie and of Canada
(page 8), the last paragraph reads: The
name St. Croix is eminently suitable for a federal electoral district
that can legitimately claim to be the birthplace of the nation. It
should also be borne in mind that the St. Croix River forms a portion of
Canada's international boundary with the United States of America.
The Commission is of the opinion that the renaming better reflects the
new electoral district's culture, history, and geography.
Saint John—Rothesay (suggested name: Saint John—Kennebecasis)
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Saint John—Rothesay be renamed Saint John—Kennebecasis. It would comprise the current electoral district plus the Town of Quispamsis, which is in the current electoral district of Fundy Royal; less that part which lies west of the Saint John River and Saint John Harbour, assigned to the proposed electoral district of Saint John—St. Croix. The proposed electoral district of Saint John—Kennebecasis has a population of 81,954 and is 5.66% above the provincial electoral quota.
In the previous section, we gave our reasons for proposing to transfer part of the City of Saint John to the proposed district of Saint John—St. Croix. The present section deals with the addition of the Town of Quispamsis to the proposed district of Saint John—Kennebecasis.
The Commission is of the view that the Town of Quispamsis has a close community of interest with the more urban area of the City of Saint John and the Town of Rothesay. These three communities have a community of identity based on language and historical ties. At one time, Rothesay and Quispamsis were part of the riding of Fundy Royal. After 2003, Rothesay and part of Quispamsis were in the same riding as the City of Saint John. Then, in 2012, Quispamsis was reunited in Fundy Royal, while Rothesay remained with the City of Saint John. In the past, some have asked that the Town of Rothesay and the Town of Quispamsis, commonly referred to as the Kennebecasis Valley, remain in the same electoral district, given the obvious shared economic community of interests and geographic proximity.
The Commission is satisfied that the proximity of communities and commonality of interests in this area provide an excellent basis for an electoral district.
With the addition of the bedroom community of Quispamsis to this riding, the Commission has proposed changing the name to Saint John—Kennebecasis, to reflect the new geography of the boundary readjustment. The lower Kennebecasis River valley includes the municipalities of Quispamsis, Rothesay and surrounding communities, all part of the Saint John region.
Tobique—Mactaquac
The Commission proposes that the electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac comprise the current electoral district plus that part added by extending the southwesterly boundary of the district to include the villages of Harvey and McAdam, the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear, McAdam, Manners Sutton and Prince William, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and the Kingsclear Indian Reserve No. 6, which are in the current district of New Brunswick Southwest; less those parts that are within the new proposed limit of the City of Fredericton, as of April 8, 2022, assigned to the proposed electoral district of Fredericton—Oromocto; and less the communities of the Parish of Grand Falls, the Town of Grand Falls, the Parish of Drummond, the Village of Drummond, and the Rural Community of Saint-André, assigned to the proposed electoral district of Madawaska—Restigouche. The proposed electoral district of Tobique—Mactaquac has a population of 64,664 and is 16.63% below the provincial quota.
A few factors militate in favour of adding the above-named communities to the proposed district of Tobique—Mactaquac. They have many things in common with the other communities in Tobique—Mactaquac, such as their linguistic profile.
The Commission also recognizes a historical pattern shared between these communities and several communities of the proposed district of Tobique—Mactaquac, as they were at one point in the same riding, Carleton—Charlotte, which also included communities from York County.
The communities situated in the proposed district of Tobique—Mactaquac form a potential communal representation of rural New Brunswick interests. The addition is a southwestern extension of the riding, and the elected representative from Tobique—Mactaquac would enjoy practical access to these newly added communities.
However, the most important reason for adding communities to this district is to increase the population of Tobique—Mactaquac, considering the Commission's mandate to ensure relative voter parity and effective representation. Nevertheless, the geographic size of a district must also be considered in the balance. The Commission believes that it is justified in departing from relative voter parity to ensure more effective representation of the second-largest district of the province.
Part lll: Notice of Public Hearings – New Brunswick
The Commission will conduct public hearings to hear representations concerning the boundaries and names it has proposed, at the following locations, dates, and times:
| Location | Place of hearing | Date of hearing | Time of hearing |
|---|---|---|---|
| Woodstock | Best Western Plus 123 Gallop Court (Exit 185) | Wednesday, September 7, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint-Quentin | Palais Centre-Ville Multifunctional Room 198 Canada Street | Thursday, September 8, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint-Léolin | Municipal Hall 115 des Prés Street | Tuesday, September 13, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Newcastle | Kinsmen Centre 100 Newcastle Boulevard | Wednesday, September 14, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Shediac | Multipurpose Centre 58 Festival Street | Thursday, September 15, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Moncton | Hyatt Place Moncton (Rooms 1-2) 1000 Main Street | Tuesday, September 20, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Sussex | All Seasons Inn 1015 Main Street | Wednesday, September 21, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Rothesay | Bill McGuire Centre 95 James Renforth Drive | Thursday, September 22, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Saint Andrews | W. C. O'Neill Arena Complex 24 Reed Avenue | Tuesday, September 27, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Fredericton | Fredericton Inn Bi-Centennial Room 1315 Regent Street | Wednesday, September 28, 2022 | 2:00 p.m. |
| Virtual Hearing | The link will be provided to participants. |
Part lV: Requirement for Making Submissions During Public Hearings – New Brunswick
Interested persons proposing to make representations must read and follow the rules set out in Part IV and V of this proposal. There is no entitlement to be heard by the Commission unless you comply with these rules.
The Commission encourages representations from interested persons or representatives of interested groups; however, any person or group desiring to make a representation must give written notice in accordance with subsection 19(5) of the Electoral Boundaries Readjustment Act, which states:
19(5) No representation shall be heard by a commission at any sittings held by it for the hearing of representations from interested persons unless notice in writing is given to the secretary of the commission within 23 days after the date of the publication of the last advertisement under subsection (2), stating the name and address of the person who seeks to make the representation and indicating concisely the nature of the representation and of the interest of the person.
All notices must be received no later than Tuesday, August 23, 2022, and must be submitted:
By mail:
Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick
PO Box 161,
Edmundston, New Brunswick E3V 3K8
Or By email:
NB@redecoupage-federal-redistribution.ca
Notices may also be submitted electronically by completing the online form available at redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca (select "New Brunswick" and then click "Public Participation").
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/electoral-riding-changes-proposed-1.6492429
Proposal to split Saint John into two federal ridings baffles MP
Wayne Long says he'll fight change proposed by federal boundary commission
"I'm not happy about it I don't like it, and I'm going to fight it," Long said Friday about the plan to divide the city of Saint John into two separate electoral districts.
According to a report released Thursday on electoral reform in the province, everything east of the St. John River should join the Kennebecasis Valley, while everything west of it should join Charlotte County in a monster of a riding that stretches 8,600-square-kilometres into parts of Queens and Kings counties.
"You know, I'm sitting in my office in Market Square, looking out the window, looking across at the port, looking across at west Saint John. To think that that would be a part of a riding that goes down to St. Stephen — it's just not acceptable. It will hurt Saint John in the long term," said Long.
He said Saint John should have one MP focused on the needs of the city. Instead, he said, west siders will become a minority where their position will be diluted in an expansive riding largely made up of rural communities.
"It's not two MPs. Let's be very clear on that. It's not Saint John has two MPs. Sure. There's two ridings with Saint John's name in them," said Long.
The
Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick is proposing
that the province keep 10 ridings. It also proposes changes, of varying
degrees, to all 10, including new names for some. (Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick)
The recommendation to split Saint John was among several made in the report released by the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick.
According to the report, the province will maintain 10 federal seats, but all will look a little different in the next federal election, if the propsals are adopted.
Some of the changes suggested by the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick, including in the Moncton area, are linguistically based.
For example, in the northeast, the commission has suggested that several francophone communities be moved from the electoral district of Miramichi-Grand Lake to Acadie-Bathurst.
The three-member commission includes Lucie A. LaVigne, chair of the commission and a judge of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal, Condé Grondin, a retired professor of political science, and Thomas Riordon, a retired judge of the Court of Queen's Bench of New Brunswick.
Across the country, most provinces will maintain the same number of seats under the proposed changes, although Quebec will lose one seat and Ontario will gain one. The biggest change is proposed in Alberta, which could see three additional seats.
The report proposes growing Parliament by four seats in the next federal election, which would bring the total to 342.
Full details of the proposed changes in New Brunswick can be found online, but here are some highlights:
Acadie-Bathurst
The commission said it initially didn't believe that any changes were needed in Acadie-Bathurst, until Keith Chiasson, the MLA for Tracadie-Sheila, brought the issue to their attention. He identified the communities of Rivière-du-Portage, Haut-Rivière-du-Portage and Brantville.
"Chiasson submitted that the populations of these communities are predominantly francophone and Acadian and that their linguistic profile and sense of belonging align with the Acadian Peninsula and the electoral district of Acadie-Bathurst, where they go for services and daily needs, such as schools, health services, shops, businesses, financial and legal services, and provincial and federal government offices."
Beauséjour
The commission proposes to move a small part of the City of Moncton from Beauséjour to the proposed riding of Moncton-Dieppe. The change would still leave Beauséjour riding with a population of 88,490, putting it at 14 per cent above the provincial electoral quota.
The commission said it isn't concerned with the numbers because Beauséjour would be "geographically the smallest rural electoral district."
Fredericton (suggested name: Fredericton-Oromocto)
The new district would consist mainly of the city of Fredericton and surrounding areas, plus the town of Oromocto. What's left of the old riding of Fredericton would be distributed to other ridings, including the parish of Burton going to Saint John-St. Croix.
The new district would be smaller in area because of an increase in population in the capital region.
Fundy Royal (suggested name: Fundy Royal—Riverview)
The commission proposes that Riverview be added to the electoral district of Fundy Royal. It makes sense, according to the report because of an existing "community of interest as well as historical ties between the Town of Riverview and the riding of Fundy Royal."
"In fact, the Commission received comments from a resident of the Town of Riverview expressing her frustration with the fact that the Town of Riverview was divided between two ridings and commenting that many did not seem to know where the dividing line between the districts was situated," states the report.
The town of Quispamsis would be moved from Fundy Royal to the proposed riding of Saint John-Kennebecasis.
Madawaska-Restigouche
Because the region's population is 22 per cent below the provincial quota, the proposal is to move several communities into the riding, including the town of Grand Falls, the parishes of Grand Falls and Drummond, as well a the village of Drummond and the rural community of Saint-André, which are now in the riding of Tobique-Mactaquac.
The commission noted that the areas have historical ties as well as common interests. From 1966 to 1996, they were in the same riding as the communities of Madawaska County, when it was known as Madawaska-Victoria.
"In this region, too, the linguistic and cultural specificities of the communities weighed in the balance," noted the commission.
Miramichi-Grand Lake
The commission proposes that the electoral district of Miramichi—Grand Lake include the current territory plus the area south to the parish of Sheffield and parts of the parishes of Maugerville and Canning, which are now part of the electoral district of Fredericton. The proposal would also include moving the parish of Waterborough from Fundy Royal.
Part of the regional municipality of Tracadie would be moved from Miramichi-Grand Lake into Acadie-Bathurst.
The report proposes separating Riverview from the rest of Moncton and
joining Fundy Royal. (The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for
New Brunswick)
Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe (suggested name: Moncton-Dieppe)
The commission proposes that the town of Riverview be removed from the district and become part of the proposed district of Fundy Royal-Riverview.
Officials recognized the ties that unite the three municipalities of Greater Moncton, but because of population growth (nearly 12,000 people in 10 years), it was no longer possible to keep them together, since it put the area 31 per cent over the provincial electoral quota
The commission said it considered moving parts of Dieppe and Riverview into other ridings, but that would have diluted "the francophone critical mass and the loss of a francophone municipality (Dieppe) would endanger the effective representation of the francophone minority in the suggested new riding, in that it would weaken that minority's political influence and diminish its ability to voice its concerns effectively."
New Brunswick Southwest (suggested name: Saint John-St. Croix)
The commission proposes adding that part of the current electoral district of Saint John-Rothesay lying west of the St. John River and Saint John Harbour, plus the parish of Burton, which is in the current electoral district of Fredericton.
The commission proposes removing the villages of Harvey and McAdam, the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear, McAdam, Manners Sutton and Prince William, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and the Kingsclear Indian Reserve No. 6, and moving them to the proposed electoral district of Tobique-Mactaquac.
"The current riding covers approximately 11,800 square kilometres and includes constituents living on three islands, a situation that presents unique travel and representation challenges. With the proposed new boundaries, the size of the riding will decrease to approximately 8,600 square kilometres, making it more manageable."
The commission noted that the cities of Fredericton and Moncton asked that their cities be reunited in one riding.
"In stark contrast to this, we are now proposing that the City of Saint John be divided, by using the St. John River and Saint John Harbour as a natural topographical division, and transferring the part lying west of this dividing line to the proposed electoral district of Saint John-St. Croix."
The
boundaries commission proposes splitting Saint John into two ridings,
with everything east of the St. John River joining the Kennebecasis
Valley. (The Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick)
Saint John-Rothesay (suggested name: Saint John-Kennebecasis)
The proposed new riding would include the current territory plus the town of Quispamsis, which is now part of the riding of Fundy Royal. The proposed riding would remove that part which lies west of the St. John River and Saint John Harbour, with that area moving to Saint John-St. Croix.
"The commission is of the view that the Town of Quispamsis has a close community of interest with the more urban area of the City of Saint John and the Town of Rothesay," states the report.
"In the past, some have asked that the Town of Rothesay and the Town of Quispamsis, commonly referred to as the Kennebecasis Valley, remain in the same electoral district, given the obvious shared economic community of interests and geographic proximity."
Tobique-Mactaquac
The commission proposes that the electoral district of Tobique-Mactaquac extend its southwesterly boundary to include the villages of Harvey and McAdam, the parishes of Dumfries, Kingsclear, McAdam, Manners Sutton and Prince William, the Rural Community of Hanwell, and the Kingsclear Indian Reserve No. 6, which are in the current district of New Brunswick Southwest.
It also proposed removed sections that are within the new proposed limit of the City of Fredericton and moving them to the proposed electoral district of Fredericton-Oromocto. It also proposes removing the Parish of Grand Falls, the Town of Grand Falls, the Parish of Drummond, the Village of Drummond, and the Rural Community of Saint-André, and moving them to the proposed electoral district of Madawaska-Restigouche.
Why change now?
According to the Federal Electoral Boundaries Commission for New Brunswick, electoral boundaries have to be reviewed after every 10-year census to ensure ridings are of equal size.
Based on the formula set out in the Constitution, the 2022 report recommends that the number of electoral districts in New Brunswick remain at 10.
According to the redistribution website, New Brunswick has 2.07 per cent of Canada's population, so with 10 seats, the province will have 2.95 per cent of the seats in Parliament.
But there's still a lot of work to do before the recommendations are put into place, including public hearings and referral to a designated parliamentary committee. Ten public hearings will be held in communities throughout the province in September, followed by one virtual meeting on Sept. 29.
According to the timeline on the Redistribution 2022 website, the new representation order will be proclaimed in September 2023. Then the boundaries would become official "on the first dissolution of Parliament at least seven months after the date of proclamation."
"This period gives Elections Canada, political parties, candidates and sitting MPs the time to prepare for the next general election."
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Former MPs Rob Moore, Rodney Weston and John Williamson hope to flip 3 southern New Brunswick ridings
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 12:26:21 +0000
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Tuesday, 8 October 2019
Former MPs Rob Moore, Rodney Weston and John Williamson hope to flip 3
southern New Brunswick ridings
https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others
Methinks it was interesting that CBC shut down the comment section about Moore, Williamson and Weston just before our debate last night but Rogers TV recorded it N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/10/former-mps-rob-moore-rodney-weston-and.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-federal-election-former-conservative-mps-1.5312202
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others
The 3 stooges will get their seats back in the circus However we should be in fear that Trudeau The Younger wins a majority mandate as ringmaster with Maritime buddies such as McClellan McKenna, Butts and Leblanc as the main puppeteers
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-federal-election-former-conservative-mps-1.5312202
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others
These are some of the documents I served on the lawyer Rob Moore before I debated him on in June of 2004
https://www.scribd.com/doc/265620671/Cross-Border-Txt
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-federal-election-former-conservative-mps-1.5312202
Ousted by Liberal wave in 2015, trio of Conservatives try to retake seats
Former MPs Rob Moore, Rodney Weston and John Williamson hope to flip 3 southern New Brunswick ridings
· CBC News · Posted: Oct 08, 2019 5:00 AM AT
From left, Conservative candidates Rodney Weston, Rob Moore and John Williamson are hoping to retake the federal seats they held prior to the Liberal wave in New Brunswick four years ago. (CBC)
Rob Moore remembers how it slowly crept up on him: the realization that the 2015 election was going to be far more challenging than he expected.
Moore went into that campaign as the favourite. He was first elected a Conservative MP in 2004 and won the riding of Fundy, later Fundy Royal, three more times.
But "we could sense that it was going to be tighter and tighter as the campaign went on," Moore recalled.
"It certainly didn't start off close, but by the end of it
, we recognized that it was going to be very close."
It was, but not in Moore's favour. He lost to Liberal Alaina Lockhart by 1,775 votes. A Liberal wave crashed into normally safe Conservative ridings, helping Justin Trudeau win all 10 of New Brunswick's federal seats.
Four years later, Moore and two other former Conservative MPs defeated in 2015 are hoping the Liberal tide is going back out in these three ridings along the Bay of Fundy.
Moore, the Conservative candidate in Fundy Royal, says he's focused more on the party's agenda than on leaders past or present. (CBC)
Moore, Rodney Weston and John Williamson are back on the ballot. All three say Trudeau has not delivered the change voters wanted.
"People feel now they were sold a bill of goods," Moore said. "By most measures, Justin Trudeau and his government and the MPs in the region have been a disappointment."
Liberals say Tories 'not evolving'
For Liberals, the attempted triple comeback is an opportunity to portray Conservatives as backward-looking.
"It speaks volumes to how the Conservative Party of Canada is not changing, is not evolving, is not embracing new thoughts, new people and new ideas," said Saint John-Rothesay Liberal candidate Wayne Long.
"I constantly hear it at the doors: 'Are you telling me that after four years, after each of them losing, that they haven't moved on?'"
Saint John-Rothesay MP Wayne Long, pictured here with fellow Liberal Karen Ludwig, running in New Brunswick Southwest, says the return of the former Conservative MPs shows the party isn't 'evolving.'
The 2015 Liberal wave was driven by a surge of support for Trudeau.
"Definitely I was helped by the national trend," said New Brunswick Southwest candidate Karen Ludwig.
There was also fatigue with Stephen Harper, who had been Conservative prime minister for almost a decade.
"I would hear, 'I like you, but,' and you knew what was coming," said Weston, the Saint John-Rothesay Conservative candidate. "It's not uncommon to have that after a government's been in office and a prime minister's been in office after 10 years."
Political scientist J.P. Lewis of the University of New Brunswick in Saint John said the Conservative vote was down in 2015, but the Liberal wins were also driven by increased voter turnout.
This time, the results in the three ridings will hinge on "how much Trudeau has become a drag on the vote," he said.
History and current dynamics would appear to favour a return to Conservative voting traditions.
Comparing records
Williamson, the third member of the Conservative comeback crew, said he's running on "a voting record that reflects the values and priorities of constituents in New Brunswick Southwest."
That includes criticism of Ludwig for voting for the Trudeau government's Bill C-71, which toughened background checks on gun owners. Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer has promised to repeal it.
Williamson, the Conservative candidate in New Brunswick Southwest, is critical of Ludwig for supporting tougher background checks for gun owners. (CBC)
Ludwig said that she's happy to compare her record to Williamson's and that she listened to voters, particularly women, who were worried about guns. She "erred on the side of public safety" by supporting the bill.
While Saint John-Rothesay is more of a swing riding, the provincial Progressive Conservatives nearly swept the area last fall, in part thanks to the perception that the proposed Energy East pipeline was cancelled due to Liberal policies.
But the three Liberal incumbents in the three ridings say Conservative comebacks are not a sure thing.
"I very rarely talk to someone who says, 'We should go backwards,'" Lockhart said as she knocked on doors in Quispamsis.
She said suburban bedroom communities at both ends of Fundy Royal have plenty of voters with ideas "quite different than some of the Conservative ideology."
"I know what the past has said about this riding, but in 2015 we showed there was a strong progressive voice here and that's what we're hearing at the doors."
'He's not my kind of guy'
Even so, fatigue with Trudeau could be as big a problem for her as Harper fatigue was for Moore.
"I'm not happy with the way the leader operates," one resident told Lockhart on his doorstep. "He's not my kind of guy."
That may explain why Lockhart puts more emphasis on Liberal policies, such as the Canada Child Tax Benefit, and on her own record.
"People really took a chance on me as a representative, and I've really focused in the last four years on being in the communities and being accessible and being a partner," she said.
"I'd rather focus on the work I've done, what I've accomplished in this election."
Weston is challenging Long in Saint John-Rothesay after losing his seat in 2015. (CBC)
Long is even more explicit, saying voters like his accessibility and transparency but tell him they're "disappointed" with his leader.
He said he responds by asking them if they want Conservative Leader Scheer as prime minister — they usually say no, he claimed — and by emphasizing his own record of bucking the Liberal Party line.
In 2017, Long broke ranks and voted with Conservative MPs trying to extend consultations on a controversial proposed small-business tax increase.
He also called for an independent investigation into the SNC Lavalin controversy and opposed ejecting MPs Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott from the Liberal caucus.
"I don't apologize for being an independently minded Liberal," Long said. "I think finally this riding can get behind a candidate that has their back here, has their back against industry, has their back against the party if need be. Candidates should be riding first."
"People understand that a vote for him is a vote for Justin Trudeau," Weston said. "People understand that very clearly."
Ludwig also acknowledged hearing concerns about Trudeau on doorsteps, though she said some of it is based on misinformation.
"The name on the ballot is a local candidate," she said.
With both Harper and Trudeau representing potential baggage, the candidates prefer to spar about "deliverables" — what they did for their ridings while in power — and policy.
Moore laments that the Liberals eliminated Conservative-created children`s sports and arts tax credits, which Scheer is promising to bring back.
Liberal Alaina Lockhart flipped the riding long held by Moore in 2015. (CBC)
Lockhart said those "boutique" credits only benefit "those who can afford to spend in the first place," while Liberal tax cuts benefited the middle close more broadly.
Both seem anxious to avoid a lengthy discussion of their own leaders.
"What we're talking about is not Trudeau years or Harper years," Moore said. "We're moving forward. We've got a forward-looking agenda."
"I'm more focused in this election on talking about our plan for the future," Lockhart said.
Despite that rhetoric, the three races here may be determined by which past — a decade of Harper or four years of Trudeau — voters are more anxious to discard.
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David Raymond Amos
Methinks some folks understand why I am laughing as I watch things go "Poof" at the circus N'esy Pas?
Jason Inness
Harper's retreads. These guys got their nominations because the central party locked up nominations a couple years ago. They have been retired by the people (some more than once), and maybe it is time for them to move on.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Jason Inness: Methinks I should lay odds that the 3 stooges will get their seats back in the circus However we should all be very afraid that Trudeau The Younger win a majority mandate as ringmaster with Maritime buddies such as McLellan, McKenna, Butts and Leblanc as the main puppeteers N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Surprise Surprise Surprise
Al Clark
Reply to @Al Clark: These are some of the documents I served on the lawyer Rob Moore before I debated him on in June of 2004
https://www.scribd.com/doc/265620671/Cross-Border-Txt
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Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Surprise Surprise Surprise
None of the candidates mentioned are anything to brag about as they all seem to be looking to fill their pockets , and can't be trusted . Just some more pigs at the trough . As far as party leaders , Scheer seems to be the most stable and realistic . Trudeau lies non stop ; and the Greens and NDP seem to be anti industry/jobs , and want wild out of control spending .
Reply to @Matt Steele:
Well Matt, whoever we elect one can only hope for a minority government, the last time we gave the keys to the car to a Liberal, or CONServative, they wrecked it.
Reply to @Terry Tibbs:
No, it's the far left parties that have a history of wrecking the economy and fostering corruption.
The Conservative party just seems to hold the course, and are more stable...and they don't meddle with the bureaucracy as much.
...but, I bet the Conservative plan to cut foreign aid resonates with Canadians
Reply to @David Peters: Are you kidding buddy. All conservatives do is meddle in the civil service. Case in point the Blaine Higgs Conservative party. Conservatives run by fiat with no consultation or memory of history.
Reply to @David Peters:
I'd like to agree with you, but I can't, I hold by my earlier statement that they are both tarred with the same brush, the methods might be different, but the results are the same.
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
Can you provide some examples of Conservatives or or PC's meddling with the bureaucracy?...like Trudeau meddling with the national justice system in the JWR fiasco?...or, writing laws and hiding them in omnibus bills to protect your financial supporters from prosecution for bribery like the liberal SNC Lavalin scandal?
Reply to @David Peters: Well i guess this would be the most egregious example. So egregious that the federal scientists had it written into their new contract that they couldn't be muzzled. They wanted to finish a deal with the Trudeau government because they were weary of what would happen if the Cons got back in power. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/canadian-scientists-open-about-how-their-government-silenced-science-180961942/
Reply to @David Peters: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/federal-government-scientists-media-contract-agreement-1.5182139
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
That's all you have? An example of liberals meddling with bureaucracy?
Imo, when scientists work for gov't, their work is more about politics than it is about the scientific method. They get used to push propaganda.
Reply to @David Peters: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/harper-government-directive-went-to-civil-servants-1.1042268
Reply to @David Peters: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/10/01/news/public-service-unions-fear-another-harper-regime
Reply to @David Peters: https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/09/16/stephen-harpers-war-on-experts.html
Reply to @David Peters: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/civil-servant-suspended-over-harperman-song-retires-1.2591990
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
What you are referring to is the war that public unions have been waging against taxpayer defending Conservatives.
Reply to @David Peters: Sorry David, I am able to think critically. You will not convince me of anything. You are a conservative shill after all.
Reply to @Kyle Woodman: Deja Vu anyone?
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 Rogers TV
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•Oct 1, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Reply to @David Peters: I for one don't think that the truth, particularly scientific facts, are a matter of political opinion. The truth is not partisan.
Reply to @Kyle Woodman:
Nice platitude...but science is about repeatable evidence, not political propaganda.
Reply to @David Peters: The first thing we agree on. Conservatives muzzle scientists when the facts don't align with their political propaganda. For example this whole concept of selling / extracting MORE fossil fuels for China to have clean energy is completely bogus. You don't solve climate change by burning more fossil fuels. The bridge fuel notion is complete hogwash made up by the oil industry to sell more fossil fuels.
Kyle Woodman
What, exactly, are you talking about...or, are you simply casting aspersions, in a partisan way?
https://pressprogress.ca/_whities_and_brown_people_conservative_mp_has_a_history_of_using_racially_divisive_rhetoric/
Take each instance you are referring to and it's obvious that whoever created that link is grasping at straws to form a false narrative. Williamson is, in each instance, talking about difficult, financial situations that are race related. These are things are very difficult to talk about, imo on purpose, bc they involve gov't policy which is based on race.
Good for Williamson for standing up for taxpayer's and taking on important issues in his constituency, like the TFW program and the long gun registry.
Why are you spamming this thread?
Reply to @David Peters: 2 Comments directed at Mr Woodman is NOT spamming Methinks you want everyone to ignore the fact I am the guy running against your buddy Rob Moore AGAIN N'esy Pas?
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Anne Bérubé
New Brunswick will not move 'forward' with the liberals, you have tried for 4 years and it has not worked. Change course.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Anne Bérubé: Yea Right and Harper 2.0 is no doubt your pick of the litter Correct?
Al Clark
LOL Moore's resume reads a LOT like his boss'. Graduated from bible U, went to "work" for the Reform party, never left....
David Raymond Amos
Al Clark
Reply to @David Raymond Amos: Yes, the undead.....
"Political scientist J.P. Lewis of the University of New Brunswick in Saint John said the Conservative vote was down in 2015, but the Liberal wins were also driven by increased voter turnout.
This time, the results in the three ridings will hinge on "how much Trudeau has become a drag on the vote," he said.
History and current dynamics would appear to favour a return to Conservative voting traditions."
Nice plug for the Liberal Party CBC.
There were many highlights for Scheer, but one was where he exposed Maxim Bernier as being involved in handing out corporate welfare...basically exposing him as a liberal pretending to be libertarian.
Did you watch the debate? Bernier was totally exposed as a liberal plant, imo.
Al Clark
Reply to @David Peters: No, not a plant but every single vote he pulls helps the liberals ;-)
Reply to @pete prosser:
Cooke planting seeds for the future.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/unb-saint-john-debate-election-climate-1.5305858
UNB Saint John to host all-candidates debate about climate change
Debate Thursday at 5 p.m. is part of GreenPAC's 100 Debates on the Environment being held across the country
CBC News · Posted: Oct 03, 2019 2:09 PM AT
The University of New Brunswick in Saint John is inviting members of the public to attend a debate being held on campus Thursday evening to hear Saint John-Rothesay candidates talk about their views on the environment. (Joseph Tunney/CBC)
The University of New Brunswick in Saint John will host a public all-candidates debate Thursday night focused on climate change.
It will be one of more than 100 such debates being held across the country in partnership with GreenPAC, a non-partisan, non-profit organization that wants federal candidates who will be "environmental leaders" elected on Oct. 21.
UNB nursing student Ashley Cook, a member of the students' representative council and a board director for the New Brunswick Student Alliance, helped organize the 100 Debates on the Environment event for the Saint John-Rothesay riding.
Good turnout expected
Conservative Party candidate Rodney Weston said he was unable to attend, said Cook.
J.P. Lewis, a political science professor at the University of New Brunswick Saint John, will be the moderator of the debate on campus. (Graham Thompson/CBC)
The debate will focus on four key questions provided by GreenPAC, dealing with issues such as air pollution, water and housing, she said.
UNB political science Prof. J.P. Lewis will serve as moderator.
Many UNB students are keenly interested in the environment and sustainability, said Cook, noting there is a student-led environmental organization on campus.
The Green Society operates a recycling program, maintains the Tucker Park walking trails, organizes outdoor activities and promotes awareness about environmental problems and solutions.
There is a push to eliminate the use of plastics on campus, and UNB also has a community garden, she said.
Cook hopes a lot of students will get out to vote so their voices are heard. UNB has partnered with the Canadian Alliance of Student Associations on the Get Out The Vote campaign.
"I think it's like a really important campaign because it emphasizes the importance of voting and … for first-time voters, it really helps them to feel a bit more comfortable because we also provide them with information on how to vote," she said.
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So, Rodney Weston is unable to attend? I saw on News Chasers that he has said that he won't do debates. Maybe the CBC should ask him why he won't be attending. Maybe it is too far of a drive from his home in St. Martins. Maybe he is scared to debate. Maybe he has nothing to actually add to the debate, and doesn't want to waste everyone's time. Maybe he has front-runner disease (you know, hide out until election day because anything you do could actually reduce votes for you).
As a voter, maybe I don't want to vote for a Harper re-tread just to get rid of Trudeau.
Jason Murphy
What's with this fixation on Harper? You're as bad as Trudeau.
Murray Brown
Sponsored obviously by the Liberal party... The party raising everyone's taxes in a fight against nature... And thinking they can control the weather by driving an electric car? of putting a solar panel on their roofs.
David Raymond Amos
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Fundy Royal campaign targets middle class with focus on jobs
Fundy Royal voters have elected Conservatives all but 1 time in 28 elections over 101 years
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/factscan-plans-to-test-political-claims-during-election-1.2951761
Tall tale-telling politicos, take heed: You could soon find your claims put through the truth grinder by the folks at FactsCan, a newly launched website that aims to provide an independent, non-partisan fact-checking service during the upcoming federal election.
■FactsCan website
According to co-founder Dana Wagner, who also works as a researcher at Ryerson University in Toronto, the team behind the site wants to help voters "separate out the truth from spin, distortion, omission, error and lies."
"Our goal is to enable Canadians to critically engage in political-speak, and to encourage politicians to be honest and accurate with their words," she told CBC News via email.
Unlike many countries, she noted, Canada does not have a major fact-checking outlet — and FactsCan is hoping to change that before the next election.
http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/reporting-to-canadians/acts-and-policies/management/human-resources/2-2-21/
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and everybody knows it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
Friday, 7 October 2016
Attn Christine Lafrance and Danielle Widmer Please consider this my brief for the meeting on the Special Committee on Electoral Reform in Fredericton today
David Raymond Amos
@Ben Smith Perhaps folks should listen to what I told the ERRE in Fredericton just before Thanksgiving??
It appears that I was absolutely correct about what I said Franny Baby your beancounting Liebrano chair from Montreal N'esy Pas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger" ???
40 minutes ago
https://openparliament.ca/committees/electoral-reform/42-1/39/david-amos-1/
https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/ERRE/meeting-39/minutes
Minutes of Proceedings
Lise Ouellette and Joanna Everitt made statements and answered questions.
At 3:05 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 3:19 p.m., the sitting resumed.
J.P. Lewis and Leonid Elbert made statements and answered questions.
John Gagnon, Helen Chenell, David Kersey, James Norfolk, Maurice Harquail, Patrick Lynch, Roch Leblanc, Margaret Connell, Brenda Sansom, J.P. Kirby, Stephanie Coburn, Mat Willman, Renée Davis, Wendy Robbins, Hamish Wright, Margo Sheppard, Joel Howe, Andrew Maclean and Jonathan Richardson made statements.
At 5:24 p.m., the sitting was suspended.
At 6:30 p.m., the sitting resumed.
James Wilson, Paul Howe, John Filliter and Sue Duguay made statements and answered questions.
John Gagnon, Andrea Moody, Maurice Harquail, Romana Sehic, David Raymond Amos, Julie Maitland, Daniel Hay, Nicholas Decarie, Rhonda Connell, Gail Campbell and Jason Pugh made statements.
At 8:28 p.m., the Committee adjourned to the call of the Chair.
8:05 p.m.
David Amos As an Individual
Mr. Chair, I ran for public office five times against your party. That said, I ran against Mr. DeCourcey's boss right here in Fredericton in the election for the 39th Parliament.
I was not aware of this committee meeting in Fredericton today until I heard Mr. DeCourcey speaking on CBC this morning. I don't pretend to know something I don't, but I'm a quick study. I thought I had paid my dues to sit on the panel. I notified the clerks in a timely fashion, but I received no response. At least I get another minute and a half.
The previous speaker answered the $64,000 question: 338. I can name every premier in the country. Governor Maggie Hassan is my governor in New Hampshire. The people there who sit in the house get paid $100 a year plus per diem expenses. I think that's the way to run a government. There are lots of seats in the house for a very small state.
My understanding of this hearing is that you have to report to Mr. Trudeau by December 1, because he said during the election that if he were elected Prime Minister, the 42nd Parliament, which I also ran in, would be the last first-past-the-post election. You don't have much time, so my suggestion to the clerks today, which I published and sent to the Prime Minister of Iceland and his Attorney General, was to do what Iceland does. Just cut and paste their rules. They have no first past the post. They have a pending election.
A former friend of mine, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, founded a party there, for which there is no leader. It is the Pirate Party. It's high in the polls right now with no leader. That's interesting. I tweeted this. You folks said that you follow tweets, so you should have seen what I tweeted before I came here this evening.
That said, as a Canadian, I propose something else. Number one, my understanding of the Constitution and what I read about law.... There was a constitutional expert named Edgar Schmidt who sued the government. He was the man who was supposed to vet bills for Peter MacKay to make sure they were constitutionally correct. He did not argue the charter. He argued Mr. Diefenbaker's Bill of Rights.
In 2002 I read a document filed by a former deputy minister of finance, Kevin Lynch, who later became Mr. Harper's clerk of the Privy Council. Now he's on an independent board of the Chinese oil company that bought Nexen. As deputy minister of finance, he reported to the American Securities and Exchange Commission on behalf of the corporation known as Canada. It is a very interesting document that I saved and forwarded to you folks. It says that he was in a quandary about whether the charter was in effect.
According to Mr. Lynch, because of the failure of the Meech Lake and Charlottetown accords, he was in a quandary as to whether the charter was in effect. I know that the Supreme Court argues it on a daily basis. That charter, created by Mr. Trudeau and Mr. Chrétien, his attorney general at the time, gave me the right to run for public office and vote as a Canadian citizen. However, in the 1990s, Mr. Chrétien came out with a law, and because I am a permanent American resident, I can't vote. Yet the charter says I can.
That said, that's been argued in court. In 2000, Mr. Chrétien came out with a law that said I couldn't vote. Right? He also took away my social insurance number.
No, he did.
I did prove, after I argued with Elections Canada's lawyers in 2004.... You might have taken away my right to vote, but you can't stop me from running for public office, and I proved it five times.
Very experienced.
The Chair Francis Scarpaleggia
—does that experience provide you with a particular insight on the voting systems we're looking at?
In Mr. Trudeau's words, he has to come up with a plan and no more first past the post. My suggestion to you, in my contact today, is to cut and paste Iceland's rules.
It's just what you need, just what Mr. Trudeau is ordering now. It's proportional elections.
The Chair Francis Scarpaleggia
Okay, we'll look at Iceland.
We're just checking on the kind of system they have, but I appreciate the input, especially from a candidate, from somebody who has run many times.
But we do have—
I have two other points, because I don't think you can pull this off. I don't think it will happen.
Here is my suggestion. You guys are going north.
Look how parliamentarians are elected in the Northwest Territories. There is no party, and I like that.
The Chair Francis Scarpaleggia
That's true. We were just up in Yellowknife, in fact, and we learned all about that. That's why it's good for us to be travelling the country.
But, sir, I—
I have one more suggestion.
Mr. Harper changed the Canada Elections Act and I still couldn't vote.
Anyway, that said, when you alter the Canada Elections Act, make it....
The biggest problem we have is, look at the vast majority of people who, like me, have never voted in their life. Apathy rules the day.
Let me finish.
I suggest that you make voting mandatory, such as Australia does. Make it that if you don't vote, it costs you money, just like if you don't report to Statistics Canada.
The Chair Francis Scarpaleggia
Well, we're talking about that. That is part of our mandate, to look at mandatory voting and online voting.
You already had your last suggestion.
Put in the line, “none of the above”, and if “none of the above” wins—
Well, I haven't.
You and I will be talking again, trust me on that one, by way of writing.
You answered my emails, Ma'am.
---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 10:05:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Mean Old Me talking to sneaky Parliamentarians in Fat Fred City last Friday night
To: pm
Cc: David Amos
Hey Bobby Boy Paulson of the GRC and Mr Prime Minister Trudeau "The Younger"
Have you dudes considered upholding the law lately? Better yet have
you even read the lawsuit I filed In Federal Court over a year ago?
trust that there will be more to follow in short order. Methinks
October 19th is an interesting anniversary to file another lawsuit
against the CROWN on EH Katie and Gerald?
FYI This the blog I created before going to the meeting in order to
stop the corrupt cops in Fat Fred City from harassing me some more
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/10/attn-christine-lafrance-and-danielle.html
Yesterday once I had secured digital proof that several MPs had finally
met me in person and listened to me voice my concerns on the public
record. I called several of their offices. No matter what colour of
coat they wore each and every one of their assistants denied receiving
my emails last week and acted as dumb as posts. None of the MPs ever
called me back since 2004. Nothing changed yesterday. Go Figure why I
will sue them personally someday EH?
Anyway for the benefit of the folks that will read my blog about the
ERRE meeting in Fat Fred City, this a link to the recording of entire
last Friday FYI I say my two bits worth at the 19:03 mark.
http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/XRender/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2/20161007/-1/25706?useragent=Mozilla/5.0%20(Windows%20NT%206.1;%20WOW64;%20Trident/7.0;%20SLCC2;%20.NET%20CLR%202.0.50727;%20.NET%20CLR%203.5.30729;%20.NET%20CLR%203.0.30729;%20Media%20Center%20PC%206.0;%20.NET%20CLR%201.1.4322;%20.NET4.0C;%20.NET4.0E;%20InfoPath.3;%20rv:11.0)%20like%20Gecko
I made it easy for my busy buddies in the BCC line just click on the attachment
BTW Do ya hear a strange woman laughing at me with her mic turned off
at the end of my conversation with the chair Franny Baby the
Beancounter from Quebec? It was none other than the nasty Green Party
lawyer Dizzy Lizzy May. She often loves to get the last word but
methinks she regretted this time. She quit laughing and yapping when I
pointed my finger at her and said that she had acknowledged
everything I sent to the ERRE. I got the last word and the last laugh
as I watched the mindless lawyer check her smart phone to see if what
I just said was true.
Veritas Vincit
David Raymond Amos
902 800 0369
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