Friday 23 February 2024

Province needs more control of immigration following federal cap, MLA says

 

Province needs more control of immigration following federal cap, MLA says

Committee members from all parties agree Ottawa’s limit on study permits doesn’t reflect New Brunswick reality

A Green Party MLA says New Brunswick should have more control over immigration numbers in response to the federal government's new cap on international study permits.

Megan Mitton says Ottawa's "one-size-fits-all" decision is "going to have a negative impact, for sure" on the province's post-secondary institutions.

"I think this demonstrates the need for New Brunswick to have more control over the immigration flow, because this decision's been taken at the federal level and it's having negative consequences here," she said.

Mitton made the comment during a meeting of the legislature's public accounts committee after Dan Mills, the deputy minister at the Department of Post-Secondary Education, Training and Labour, also criticized the federal move. 

"Overall, our perspective is this is a terrible idea, what the federal government rolled out on Jan. 22," Mills told the MLAs on the committee.

Trevor Holder, the former Progressive Conservative post-secondary education minister, said in an interview he wasn't sure the province needed more control over immigration, but he agreed it must push Ottawa to give New Brunswick more flexibility.

Dan Mills poses for a photo Dan Mills, deputy minister of post-secondary education, said the federal government's rollout of the international student cap has been 'terrible.' (Jacques Poitras/CBC)

The province's universities and colleges were urged to "ramp up" their recruitment of international students to address low population growth and labour shortages, Holder said. 

"They stepped up, and they did it in a big way, and now I feel it's almost like they're being penalized for their good work." 

The federal government announced in January it would slash the number of undergraduate study permits by 35 per cent to 360,000 nationwide. New Brunswick will get 5,580 spots. 

The cut was a response to concerns that the increase in international students was adding to the housing shortage. 

But Mills told MLAs that this is "largely not a problem in New Brunswick" because both public universities and private colleges have been responsible in their handling of enrolment growth and its impact on housing.

New Brunswick needs more international students because many of them will stay and join the labour market, he said. 

Mills cited projections projections that the province will have 133,000 job openings in the next decade because of retirements.

The cap "is going to be a major challenge. It's going to throw a major wrench into the whole recruitment side of things this year."

Liberal says cap does not align with province's needs

Permits are being distributed to provinces based on population, and each province will decide how to allocate them among their schools.

Liberal MLA Marco LeBlanc, the party's post-secondary education critic, agreed that Ottawa's cap number "does not align" with the province's needs but disagreed that New Brunswick needs more power over immigration numbers. 

"[Whether] the government of New Brunswick has more power or not is not necessarily going to impact how many students are going to post-secondary institutions in New Brunswick," he said. 

Ottawa is also capping the number of acceptance letters that New Brunswick can issue at 9,300, based on an assumption that 60 per cent of the students will come here.

"That's just not the case," Mills said. "They're using a national average." 

In fact, he said, only about 30 to 40 per cent of the students the province accepts end up choosing to study here, meaning it needs to be allocated a higher number of acceptance letters to get the 5,580 students Ottawa is allowing. 

Marco LeBlanc Liberal Marco LeBlanc said Ottawa's cap does not align with what New Brunswick needs but disagreed the province needs more control over immigration. (Sam Farley/CBC)

Mills said departmental officials are grappling with the issue "literally every day" and are in constant discussions with universities and colleges about how to overcome the problem posed by the acceptance letter issue. 

"Our goal, frankly, will be to meet the number that the federal government has given us to the best of our ability," he said.

"It's going to be extremely challenging, given the federal government's estimate of what I would call conversion rates."

New Brunswick has increased tenfold the number of international students it has nominated for permanent residency in the last four years, Mills said.

The number has gone from 250 in 2019 to 2,500 last year. Of the 2,500, about 1,600 attended university or college in New Brunswick and the remainder relocated here after studying elsewhere in Canada.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR


Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. He grew up in Moncton and covered Parliament in Ottawa for the New Brunswick Telegraph-Journal. He has reported on every New Brunswick election since 1995 and won awards from the Radio Television Digital News Association, the National Newspaper Awards and Amnesty International. He is also the author of five non-fiction books about New Brunswick politics and history.

CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices
 
 
 
110 Comments 

 
 
David Amos 
Surprise Surprise Surprise
 
 
 
Wendy Simon   
Can we not house the people and citizens already here first before we put more of a strain on housing??? 


Don Corey 
Reply to Wendy Simon  
Obviously not an option with the feds. 


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
They say its not their job   
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos 
Their new Housing Minister seems to feel otherwise, the way he is running around the country and throwing a few crumbs at the problem they turned into a crisis.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
He was appointed help buy the next election 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos 
It's quite obvious isn't it? He's spending whatever he can squeeze out of Freeland. I suspect the purse strings will soon be loosening up even more. 
 
 
Joe Zilch 
Reply to Don Corey 
Does Freeland still get her mother to co-sign everything?  
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Joe Zilch  
I suppose somebody has to check her work


MR Cain 
Reply to Joe Zilch  
Doesn't have now. The farm is collateral and she and her husband are doing fine. A modest $1.3 million home in Toronto and low interest is quite affordable. She appreciates your concern. 
 
 
 
 
Bill Watson  
I would be fine with a 10-year immigration pause for my province. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Bill Watson
Proper controls on immigration will only occur after the next federal election and a much-needed change in government.  
 
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Don Corey 
Agreed, but it's too late. I'm ashamed of my country. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Bill Watson
Sadly, the majority of Canadians feel exactly the same way. The past few years have seen our country in an ongoing downhill slide.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
If they didn't then they should buy a trucker a coffee and talk to him/her 
 
 
Bill Watson
Reply to Don Corey 
Yes, it's sad. I've given up on Canada, so I spend the maximum 120 days per year in the US. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos 
Absolutely!




Oscar Levant  

Not a word on the app scandal from this media?  


Joe Zilch 
Reply to Oscar Levant  
Corruption at the highest levels of gov't? 
 
 
james bolt 
Reply to Oscar Levant 
$59 million?

for an app the that works?

we paid over a billion for the phoenix system and it never has worked

and don't even get me going on the G8 and the fake lake


Don Corey  
Reply to Oscar Levant    
We're not allowed to discuss it here. 
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to Joe Zilch 
Par for the course. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
We all know why that is
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos 
Yep, do we ever.
 
 
Oscar Levant  
Reply to Joe Zilch
You mean $59 million for a $80,000 app.  
 
 
Wendy Simon 
Reply to Don Corey 
AMEN!! 
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to Oscar Levant
I wonder how long you'll last this time.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
Me too 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to james bolt  
"don't even get me going on the G8 and the fake lake"

Please do

 
David Amos
Reply to Joe Zilch 
Hush you know we are being monitored 
 
 
Joe Zilch 
Reply to David Amos  
I think I was referring to the Australian Government, I can't remember?  
 
 
 
 
 
ralph jacobs  
I have no trouble with immigration if done right and by the rules. I don't agree with us having to put up illegals in hotels and the likes. 
 
 
Don Corey  
Reply to ralph jacobs  
Canada brought in more than a million immigrants in 2022, and we had a housing crisis then. It's not hard to figure out why it's just continuing to escalate. There are no rules, or controls that make any sense.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Amen  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to ralph jacobs  
We have no illegal immigrants.  
 
ralph jacobs   
Reply to MR Cain  
What do you call them when they walk across without permission and no proper paper work?  
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to ralph jacobs  
Upcoming Liberal voters 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos  
Are you actually allowed to state the truth?
  

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Its one of those nights 
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to ralph jacobs  
Undocumented migrants. Many could be refugees. 

 
ralph jacobs   
Reply to MR Cain
No matter what you call them should be counted in our allowed immigration numbers.  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to ralph jacobs
Depends on their category. Some may be deported. Some are refugees and fall under a different process. Get some facts instead of knee-jerk uninformed generalizations.  
 
 
 
 
 
Don Corey
Nothing done by the federal government "reflects NB reality", so no surprises here.
  

David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
I am surprised you were allowed to say it in here 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos  
Same here. 
 
 
 
 
Frank Brace
Some complained too many immigrants for years, now the same people complain too few ,as some Premiers always complain and blame others for their decisions and inaction   
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Frank Brace  
That's no doubt partly true for all Premiers, but they certainly have a case when it comes to immigration that is totally controlled (which usually means out of control) by the feds. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
I agree  
 
 
 
 
Joe Zilch    
Lets bring in more so we can have more homelessness. 
 
 
Alison Jackson
Reply to Joe Zilch   
Let's not bring in more and watch as our service sector and overall society collapses due to no one to do the jobs! Yess sir, it would be delightful to watch NBs rapidly aging population suffer because unscholarly persons choose to halt immigration! 
 
 
Joe Zilch   
Reply to Alison Jackson
Sure. Just another left wing fear campaign I see.
 
 
Steph Roche  
Reply to Joe Zilch  
joe 
 
Alison is only recommending that those making decisions use facts as a basis 
 
 
Joe Zilch   
Reply to Steph Roche  
The fact is there are 300,000 homeless Canadians living on the street and another 450,000 hidden homeless couch surfing etc. 
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Steph Roche 
No, she's saying only liberal scholars can understand how to handle the various issues involved. And how's that working out for all of us?  
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to Alison Jackson
So you are actually saying that one has to be "scholarly" in order to understand that bringing in even more immigrants to fill vacancies at Tim Hortons when we currently have crisis level shortages of low to mid income housing makes good sense?  
 
 
MR Cain 
Reply to Joe Zilch
1% of the population is nothing to get too excited about, unless you are one of the statistics.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
I would love to see these "scholarly" types explain rocket science to me in light of the fact that they likely could never figure out how to set the points and tweek the carb in order to start my old Harley 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
Too bad so sad Mr Cain does not read our words  
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos  
Such a shame.  
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos  
That figuring would be way out of their league. 
 
 
  


Eb Ashford
Immigrant students are directly competing for the cheapest housing so they are disproportionately affecting low income renters. I'm not against immigration and I like diversity but the current large volume it is affecting affordability and making it worse.


Steph Roche
Reply to Eb Ashford
that perspective needs to be taken to the Premier to see if your province would prefer to not have a large enough tax base to pay for our social programs


Mike Van Fleet

Reply to
Steph Roche
There are way too many people right now. How are those "social programs" doing?


Oscar Levant
Reply to
Steph Roche
Where is the taxes coming from when people are living in tents?


Steph Roche.
Reply to
Mike Van Fleet
make recommendations to your province of which programs should be discontinued


Oscar Levant
Reply to
Steph Roche
Immigration is a federal issue.


Eb Ashford
Reply to
Steph Roche
Immigration is necessary and generally good but the current levels are too high. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing is actually not good.

 
Eb Ashford
Reply to
Steph Roche
Make recommendations to poor people as to where they should live at the moment. At least consult with them and what they are experiencing right now.


Steph Roche

Reply to
Oscar Levant
responsive to provincial requests

you can learn about that subject by reading the articles

you can find them above the forums


Steph Roche

Reply to
Eb Ashford
talk to your premier


Steph Roche
Reply to
Eb Ashford
another responsibility of the provinces

talk to your premier


Steph Roche
Reply to
Mike Van Fleet
which programs would you recommend that they cut?


 


William Murdoch
I see the usual group "We are here now and happy too so let's shut the gates to more" crowd continue to think of themselves first.


Oscar Levant
Reply to
William Murdoch
The federal government needs to control how many people are coming in.

Why does that escayyou?


Oscar Levant
Reply to
Oscar Levant
Escape


Mike Van Fleet

Reply to
William Murdoch
Yup, you have never looked out for number one. Ever.


Don Corey
Reply to
William Murdoch
Federal issue. Read the story.


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Other than the headline most folks don't read


Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
True.
 
 
 
 
 
MR Cain
All the province has to do is request a meeting to discuss the issue. Let's work together.



John Pokiok
Seriously these politicians are completely out of touch. You can't find an apartment anywhere in New Brunswick and these guys want more people to fight for place to live.


Don Corey
Reply to
John Pokiok
Exactly.

 
 

SW Home
Nope. NB already has a housing crisis. Putting a limit on immigration is the first good thing the Feds have done in a long time.


Don Corey
Reply to SW Home
Yeah, it's still way to high, but it's a start. They took a long time to even figure out, and then eventually acknowledge, that Canada does indeed have a housing crisis (for which their uncontrolled immigration
has been the#1 reason behind it).


David Amos
Reply to Don Corey
Yup
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to SW Home
The crises is one of affordability more so than supply. Our cities are running at a 1% vacancy which is sufficient to satisfy the less than 1% homeless. If the province would invest in people, there would be no "crises" per se. 

 


Eugene Peabody
Maybe if the province would work with the federal government instead of fighting with them things would be different. I am sure the numbers will change with some discussion. The daycare, housing initiative, and healthcare programs among others take a lot of work to work.


valmond landry
Reply to Eugene Peabody
how can they work together with two one track mind ,one provincial and one federal . what a combination


MR Cain
Reply to
valmond landry
The feds are open to discussion on any subject. Higgs has already stated he has no intention of working with the feds, or anybody else. Check out his Rebel News interview.


William Murdoch
Reply to
MR Cain
Yo would be hard pressed to find anyone interested in working with the vestiges of what will soon be The LPC in the wilderness; ten years plus similar to when Martin was shown the exit.


William Murdoch
Reply to
Eugene Peabody
A lot of hard work to work is what The PM is known for.


William Murdoch
Reply to
valmond landry
Been happening for centuries in one way or another.


SW Home
Reply to
William Murdoch
Which PM?


David Amos
Reply to Eugene Peabody
Dream on


Don Corey
Reply to valmond landry
True
 
 
 

No comments:

Post a Comment