WOW Need I say I would love to debate this Yankee arsehole Ambassador Daniel Fried over our Crown Corporation"s airwaves?
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/the-sunday-edition-july-15-2018-1.4745620/u-s-diplomat-questions-trump-s-belief-in-the-free-world-on-eve-of-meeting-putin-1.4745660
U.S. diplomat questions Trump's belief in the free world on eve of meeting Putin
"I
hate to say this, but I'm not sure that President Trump believes in the
free world, and I'm not sure he believes, as American presidents have
believed for a hundred years, that American interests and American
values are really the same," says Daniel Fried,
who served for four decades in the American Foreign Service, including a
term as U.S. ambassador to Poland when communist rule ended there.
In his conversation with The Sunday Edition guest host Nahlah Ayed, Ambassador Fried looks ahead to the meeting scheduled for July 16 between the U.S. and Russian presidents, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.
Ambassador Daniel Fried, Atlantic Council, speaks at The 2017 Concordia Annual Summit on September 19, 2017 in New York City. (Paul Morigi/Getty Images for Concordia Summit)
In
his analysis of the Trump-Putin meeting, the ambassador invokes the
lessons of history: "The last time America was in the grip of
isolationism was the 1930s. It trapped the Roosevelt administration and
kept us from doing anything about Hitler. The result was disaster.
Millions of people lost their lives because America had pulled itself
out of the game. There are real risks to the kind of isolationist
cynicism that I hear sometimes from the American president."
He also drew parallels between the meeting of Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and the upcoming summit in Helsinki.
"The president seems to have nothing but bad things to say about his democratically elected counterparts, and yet he seems to have good things to say about Putin and Kim Jong Un," says Fried.
North
Korea leader Kim Jong-un, left, and U.S. President Donald Trump shake
hands at the conclusion of their meetings at the Capella resort on
Sentosa Island in Singapore on June 12. (Susan Walsh/Associated Press)
"I'm
afraid it's more than a tactic. I'm afraid that this really represents
President Trump's deeper strategic convictions, that American values
have nothing to do with American interests, that we should not try to
lead the free world, that there is no such thing as the free world: it's
merely a sham, and that we ought to be just another grasping superpower
trying to take our cut."
Although he says he is encouraged that Trump has said he will raise contentious issues with Putin, such as Russia's interventions in Syria and Ukraine, Fried adds a note of caution: "There's raising an issue just to say you raised it, to check the box. And then there's raising it in a way that the other guy knows you're serious. That's what he needs to do."
Despite all his concerns, the ambassador leaves room to correct the course: "Those of us who believe in the free world and America's role as part of the west, not alone but with our allies, need to remember who we are and what we've stood for a hundred years. If we bring that to the table, if we can get over this current period of distraction, then we'll be okay."
In his conversation with The Sunday Edition guest host Nahlah Ayed, Ambassador Fried looks ahead to the meeting scheduled for July 16 between the U.S. and Russian presidents, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.
There are real risks to the kind of isolationist cynicism that I hear sometimes from the American president.- Daniel FriedFried left the U.S. government last year, after serving as senior director of the National Security Council for both Democratic and Republican administrations, and as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs. He was a key player in crafting American policy in Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union, and is now a distinguished fellow at the Atlantic Council of the United States.
He also drew parallels between the meeting of Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and the upcoming summit in Helsinki.
"The president seems to have nothing but bad things to say about his democratically elected counterparts, and yet he seems to have good things to say about Putin and Kim Jong Un," says Fried.
Although he says he is encouraged that Trump has said he will raise contentious issues with Putin, such as Russia's interventions in Syria and Ukraine, Fried adds a note of caution: "There's raising an issue just to say you raised it, to check the box. And then there's raising it in a way that the other guy knows you're serious. That's what he needs to do."
If we can get over this current period of distraction, then we'll be okay.- Daniel FriedFried, who has met Putin himself several times, says the leader has already benefited simply because the meeting with Trump is happening. He also expresses concern that the Russian president will have the upper hand on Monday: "Putin is smart, tough, knows what he wants. He excels at manipulating any conversation to his advantage, which is not a reason not to meet with him. It's a reason to be on your toes and pay attention."
Despite all his concerns, the ambassador leaves room to correct the course: "Those of us who believe in the free world and America's role as part of the west, not alone but with our allies, need to remember who we are and what we've stood for a hundred years. If we bring that to the table, if we can get over this current period of distraction, then we'll be okay."
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
YO @HillaryClinton Methinks the Yankees should finally investigate what went down between Mr Mueller et al and I many moons ago N'esy Pas?
BTW CBC informed me of your Tweet so now you evil people have mine EH?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-putin-helsinki-1.4748231
Amid investigations and tensions, Trump and Putin going 1-on-1
Helsinki meeting condemned in advance by assortment of members of U.S. Congress from both parties
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Grace Oliver
Methinks you just presented a classic example of a crackpot calling an old kettle names N'esy
The President is elected to
serve the people. By now it should be obvious to all but the most
brainwashed supporters that this president isn't serving the American
people. And the Republican party is nothing but a bunch of spineless
enablers, helping him to destroy their own country. Anyone who votes
for this lot in the midterm elections either hasn't been paying
attention or is complicit.
Louisa Walker
@Grace Oliver
I saw an American woman interviewed once that had worked the whole election for a proven Russian plant. She couldn’t believe it. “But, but, but, no. I knew Willie since...” than she trailed off and kept saying no.
With a president like Donnie, it’s best not to believe much of what coming out of Washington these days.
I saw an American woman interviewed once that had worked the whole election for a proven Russian plant. She couldn’t believe it. “But, but, but, no. I knew Willie since...” than she trailed off and kept saying no.
With a president like Donnie, it’s best not to believe much of what coming out of Washington these days.
Hubert Ling
@Grace Oliver ;
What is wrong with Trump wanting to have good relations with Russia instead of war?
What is wrong with Trump wanting to have good relations with Russia instead of war?
Steven Arsenault
@Louisa Walker
Do you think america meddles in elections? If so, why the hypocrisy?
Do you think america meddles in elections? If so, why the hypocrisy?
Garry Horsnell
@Hubert Ling
Many say we should have good relations and make deals with communist, totalitarian China and its leaders to try to influence them and get China to be more democratic.
Shouldn't we do the same wih Russia and Putin?
Many say we should have good relations and make deals with communist, totalitarian China and its leaders to try to influence them and get China to be more democratic.
Shouldn't we do the same wih Russia and Putin?
Rob Bondar
@Grace Oliver
I would say Trump is a symptom of a broken system in the US that hasnt been serving the people. Thats why so many people were disgusted by both candidates. Sick of the establishment politicians of both sides who supress progressives and have little daylight between them. Trump was a disastrous hail mary for change.
I would say Trump is a symptom of a broken system in the US that hasnt been serving the people. Thats why so many people were disgusted by both candidates. Sick of the establishment politicians of both sides who supress progressives and have little daylight between them. Trump was a disastrous hail mary for change.
Richard Jay
@Grace Oliver
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Matt Thuaii
@Garry Horsnell
The US wants to control the world and remake it in their image. China wants to control the world and remake it in their image. Russia wants to control the world and remake it in their image...
Since each respective image is only appealing if you happen to live in said country (and none are all that great in the first place), the answer to your question is a solid “probably not”.
The US wants to control the world and remake it in their image. China wants to control the world and remake it in their image. Russia wants to control the world and remake it in their image...
Since each respective image is only appealing if you happen to live in said country (and none are all that great in the first place), the answer to your question is a solid “probably not”.
Ryan Tasker
@Richard Jay
Really? So you're happy that our world has fallen off the cliff... my god what have we become?! Humans simply don't deserve to exist on this planet any longer.
Really? So you're happy that our world has fallen off the cliff... my god what have we become?! Humans simply don't deserve to exist on this planet any longer.
Greg Gore (formerly Greggore)
@Grace Oliver - get over it.
If there was any actual proof of Trump's campaign and Russia colluding,
CNN wouldn't have anything else BUT that story on the news for an entire
year.
Still zero evidence of anything of the sort. Every indictment from Mueller has nothing to do with the Trump campaign.
Still zero evidence of anything of the sort. Every indictment from Mueller has nothing to do with the Trump campaign.
David R. Amos
@Greg Gore (formerly Greggore) YUP
Robert Summer
@Rob Bondar unfortunately change was sacked by an illegal hit
@Rob Bondar unfortunately change was sacked by an illegal hit
mike potter
@Hubert Ling What is wrong with Trump wanting to have good relations with Russia
There is nothing wrong with the concept but this a psychopath creating mayhem for his own purposes. Check out the symptoms ; tRump is a very scary fit
There is nothing wrong with the concept but this a psychopath creating mayhem for his own purposes. Check out the symptoms ; tRump is a very scary fit
Chuck Hamilton
@Rob Bondar Canadian system
is far worse. The irony of your post is that Trump was the outsider,
didn't take big money and beat the system.
Steve Cowell
@Grace Oliver
The Republican party is the villain in this piece. That party is corrupted beyond redemption. Serious conservatives should be working to create a new and decent party of the right. They won't, but they should.
The Republican party is the villain in this piece. That party is corrupted beyond redemption. Serious conservatives should be working to create a new and decent party of the right. They won't, but they should.
Louisa Walker
@Steven Arsenault
So you’re under the impression two wrongs make a right. Good luck skippy.
So you’re under the impression two wrongs make a right. Good luck skippy.
Louisa Walker
@Rob Bondar
After the display the Republicans put on at committee last week I can tell why Americans are sick of them. Little men with no self awareness. Everybody can see how craven they are. If the government is broken. The republicans are to blame.
After the display the Republicans put on at committee last week I can tell why Americans are sick of them. Little men with no self awareness. Everybody can see how craven they are. If the government is broken. The republicans are to blame.
Louisa Walker
@Chuck Hamilton
It took a few rubles to buy an American presidency, who knew they came as cheap as Donnie.
It took a few rubles to buy an American presidency, who knew they came as cheap as Donnie.
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David R. Amos
@Louisa Walker Methinks the lady doth protest too much N'esy Pas?
Karen King
@David R. Amos
you again?? with your insulting, not cute, comments.....
you again?? with your insulting, not cute, comments.....
David R. Amos
@Steven Arsenault "Do you think america meddles in elections? If so, why the hypocrisy?"
@Louisa Walker
So you’re under the impression two wrongs make a right. Good luck skippy.
Too Too Funny Indeed
@Louisa Walker
So you’re under the impression two wrongs make a right. Good luck skippy.
Too Too Funny Indeed
Matt Thuaii
@Greg Gore (formerly Greggore)
Correct. Russia had nothing to do with Trump getting elected. Except for the massive covert social media campaigns engineered and funded by Russia, the hacking of Trump’s rivals by Russians, the dozen Russian spies now charged with crimes, and the millions (possibly billions) flowing back and forth through shadowy channels between Trump associates and Russians...
...aside from all that they had nothing to do with Trump getting elected.
Correct. Russia had nothing to do with Trump getting elected. Except for the massive covert social media campaigns engineered and funded by Russia, the hacking of Trump’s rivals by Russians, the dozen Russian spies now charged with crimes, and the millions (possibly billions) flowing back and forth through shadowy channels between Trump associates and Russians...
...aside from all that they had nothing to do with Trump getting elected.
Rob Bondar
@Louisa Walker
I would suggest that the democrats let people down the most. The corruption of the primary against Sanders, running an unlikable candidate, having the house and senate and not using it to pass single payer...fix Flint. They've been trying to stop progressive populism.
I would suggest that the democrats let people down the most. The corruption of the primary against Sanders, running an unlikable candidate, having the house and senate and not using it to pass single payer...fix Flint. They've been trying to stop progressive populism.
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David R. Amos
@Karen King "you again?? with your insulting, not cute, comments.....
David R. Amos
@Karen King "you again?? with your insulting, not cute, comments.....
Methinks you just presented a classic example of a crackpot calling an old kettle names N'esy
Louisa Walker
@David R. Amos
You are pretty sad David. Drop the n’esy pas, it makes you look even more irrelevant than you already make yourself.
You are pretty sad David. Drop the n’esy pas, it makes you look even more irrelevant than you already make yourself.
Lou Parks
@David R. Amos
Hey Dave
What's up with that "N'esy Pas" nonsense?
You put it in to irritate readers?
Hey Dave
What's up with that "N'esy Pas" nonsense?
You put it in to irritate readers?
Jim Palmer
@Grace Oliver
Truer words were never written.
Truer words were never written.
Steve Taylor
@Grace Oliver
Too much hate Grace. You've drank too much mainstream media Kool-aid. Henry Kissinger and his ilk run wild in every administration and you're worried about Trump? This is like telling kids that cartoons aren't real. Spiderman isn't real. What your worried about is kind of like Spiderman.
Too much hate Grace. You've drank too much mainstream media Kool-aid. Henry Kissinger and his ilk run wild in every administration and you're worried about Trump? This is like telling kids that cartoons aren't real. Spiderman isn't real. What your worried about is kind of like Spiderman.
Robin Blair
@Grace Oliver
Russia First! Russia First!
Make CCCP Great Again!
Russia First! Russia First!
Make CCCP Great Again!
John Douglas
@Grace Oliver
Grace just won the best com ment award!!
well said, Grace
Grace just won the best com ment award!!
well said, Grace
Grace Oliver
@John Douglas
Thank you. And by the way, that was written before Donnie and Vlad's love-in, lol.
Thank you. And by the way, that was written before Donnie and Vlad's love-in, lol.
David R. Amos
@Louisa Walker "You are
pretty sad David. Drop the n’esy pas, it makes you look even more
irrelevant than you already make yourself."
Methinks you just presented a classic example of a crackpot calling an old kettle names N'esy Pas?
Methinks you just presented a classic example of a crackpot calling an old kettle names N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Lou Parks "Hey Dave What's up with that "N'esy Pas" nonsense?
You put it in to irritate readers?"
Methinks you know what it means as well as I bet even you don't know how I how many times you asked the same question over the past week but CBC and I do N'esy Pas?
BTW I repeat left wingnut should address me as Mr Amos After all I am no friend of yours correct?
You put it in to irritate readers?"
Methinks you know what it means as well as I bet even you don't know how I how many times you asked the same question over the past week but CBC and I do N'esy Pas?
BTW I repeat left wingnut should address me as Mr Amos After all I am no friend of yours correct?
Steve Taylor
@Grace Oliver
Trump is breaking the establishment. Their greatest fear is peace breaking out. Go Trump!
Trump is breaking the establishment. Their greatest fear is peace breaking out. Go Trump!
David R. Amos
@Steve Taylor Methinks you
may be more right than wrong Trump's mindless self serving Circus Acts
may yield positive results for the benefit of all in the end N'esy Pas?
Zoli Hartai
"Our relationship with Russia
has NEVER been worse" - is the stupidest statement among all his other
stupid statements. Has he never heard of the Cold War? the Cuban missile
crisis? Why is he still president?
Andrew McLaren
@Zoli Hartai
But but but, don't you remember, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the best excuse EVAH, for imposing National Security scare-tarriffs, on the USA's closest trading partners?
But but but, don't you remember, the Cuban Missile Crisis was the best excuse EVAH, for imposing National Security scare-tarriffs, on the USA's closest trading partners?
David R. Amos
@Andrew McLaren Interesting
John Mann
Putin must have a truly nasty video of Trump.
Richard Jay
@John Mann
Little too much CNN in your diet me thinks....
Little too much CNN in your diet me thinks....
David R. Amos
@Richard Jay Methinks you are on to something N'esy Pas?
Kathy Altenhofen
Steve Taylor
Jon Holmes
@Matt Thuaii I've given up myself. What gets flagged and what passes leaves me mystified.
Steve Taylor
@Zoli Hartai
He's still president because he was elected by more than half the country. In fact his popularity ratings are higher than Obama's were at this same time in his presidency.
This is called democracy "The worst form of government... except for all the others..." - W.C.
He's still president because he was elected by more than half the country. In fact his popularity ratings are higher than Obama's were at this same time in his presidency.
This is called democracy "The worst form of government... except for all the others..." - W.C.
Jamie Thak
@Steve Taylor not true Steve. He was elected by LESS than half the country. Hillary won the popular vote.
David R. Amos
@Jon Holmes "What gets flagged and what passes leaves me mystified."
Methinks you are far from being alone in trying to solve that mystery N'esy Pas?
Methinks you are far from being alone in trying to solve that mystery N'esy Pas?
Lou Parks
@David R. Amos
What's up with that "N'esy Pas" nonsense?
What's up with that "N'esy Pas" nonsense?
@Lou Parks He thinks he's French, but is still illiterate.
David R. Amos
@Steve Taylor "He's still
president because he was elected by more than half the country. In fact
his popularity ratings are higher than Obama's were at this same time in
his presidency"
Well Put Sir
Well Put Sir
@Jamie Thak
Popular vote doesn't matter in a republic. Read up on "Tyranny of the majority" to understand why a republican system became preferred to mob rule.
Trump won. Fair and square. The war machine can't get over it. Their greatest fear is peace breaking out. Trump is using dialogue, talking peace - their worst nightmare.
Popular vote doesn't matter in a republic. Read up on "Tyranny of the majority" to understand why a republican system became preferred to mob rule.
Trump won. Fair and square. The war machine can't get over it. Their greatest fear is peace breaking out. Trump is using dialogue, talking peace - their worst nightmare.
David R. Amos
@Jamie Thak "Hillary won the popular vote."
Methinks that depends very much on whom you rely on as a news source. If you rely on CNN like CBC obviously does well you should recall how far their poling was off before Trump was elected correct? FYI I have heard in the "Alt" media that Trump won the popular vote as well. One thing I know for certain it is hard telling not knowing for sure because I did not witness the tally myself like I do when I visit certain polling stations after I run in an election. Right or wrong your point is moot because Trump is the Yankee president right now N'esy Pas?
Methinks that depends very much on whom you rely on as a news source. If you rely on CNN like CBC obviously does well you should recall how far their poling was off before Trump was elected correct? FYI I have heard in the "Alt" media that Trump won the popular vote as well. One thing I know for certain it is hard telling not knowing for sure because I did not witness the tally myself like I do when I visit certain polling stations after I run in an election. Right or wrong your point is moot because Trump is the Yankee president right now N'esy Pas?
Kevin Smith JR.
Just when you think trump can't go any lower, he goes much lower.
John Sollows
@Kevin Smith JR.
Remember Steve Colbert's question during the '16 campaign?
Remember Steve Colbert's question during the '16 campaign?
David R. Amos
@John Sollows Methinks that
not everybody pays attention to what Yankee TV comedians have to say
about anything. However folks should start listening to the ghost of
George Carlin N'esy Pas?
Louisa Walker
@David R. Amos
N’esy pas? Your command of the French language should embarrass you. I’d drop that phrase. It cheapens your argument and makes you look like a rube.
N’esy pas? Your command of the French language should embarrass you. I’d drop that phrase. It cheapens your argument and makes you look like a rube.
David R. Amos
@Louisa Walker Methinks no doubt you have been told many times lately Hence there is no need in my being redundant N'esy Pas?
Louisa Walker
@David R. Amos
Everything you say makes you a humourless side note and an example of the advances god’s special little people have made in today’s society.
Everything you say makes you a humourless side note and an example of the advances god’s special little people have made in today’s society.
michael flinn
@Louisa Walker Relax Dave -
when the alt left hauls out their stock in trade - personal attacks -
they reached their limit it debate.
Piet Bloem
@Louisa Walker
The "mute" feature is priceless in cases such as this.
The "mute" feature is priceless in cases such as this.
Neil Turv
@Louisa Walker
I've scrolled through your posts, they may not be as repetitive as Mr. Amos but all you do is insult people who have a different opinion than yours and cast broad aspersions.
So my very simple question is:
Outside of some oversimplified right/.left dichotomy how are your posts, in fact any more productive or different than David's?
I've scrolled through your posts, they may not be as repetitive as Mr. Amos but all you do is insult people who have a different opinion than yours and cast broad aspersions.
So my very simple question is:
Outside of some oversimplified right/.left dichotomy how are your posts, in fact any more productive or different than David's?
David Williams
@Neil Turv Some people are unable to bear the criticism.
Louisa Walker
@michael flinn
Who’s Dave, Tammy?
Who’s Dave, Tammy?
Louisa Walker
@Piet Bloem
Alas my mute button doesn’t work, besides I’d miss the witty stylings of all god’s special little people.
Alas my mute button doesn’t work, besides I’d miss the witty stylings of all god’s special little people.
Joseph Power
Trump is an absolute disgrace.
David R. Amos
@Joseph Power and Hillary is not I suppose?
Louisa Walker
@David R. Amos
Hillary? She left quite an impression on you if you’re still babbling about her.
You aren’t from around here so I’ll tell you Donnie’s way past disgraceful. He’s an abomination.
Hillary? She left quite an impression on you if you’re still babbling about her.
You aren’t from around here so I’ll tell you Donnie’s way past disgraceful. He’s an abomination.
Steve Cowell
@David R. Amos
That's right, she's not. No comparison.
That's right, she's not. No comparison.
David R. Amos
@Louisa Walker Methinks you obviously have no clue who I am whatsoever Perhaps you should Google my name and hers N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
@Steve Cowell Methinks we agree the lady is pure evil while The Donald is just a buffoon N'esy Pas?
Rob LeDrew
Aaron Morris
@David R. Amos
Hey Davey, yeah. We know who you are. You’re quite google-able. Embarrassingly so. You should probably only wish that people don’t know you
Hey Davey, yeah. We know who you are. You’re quite google-able. Embarrassingly so. You should probably only wish that people don’t know you
David R. Amos
@Aaron Morris Methinks I
should feel honoured that my political foes don't like me However it not
fair that half of my replies are blocked N'esy Pas?
Rob LeDrew
He Blames Americans for bad
relations with Russia. Talk about throwing Americans under the bus. Yet
half of America love him. Talk about blind and deaf.
David R. Amos
@Rob LeDrew Welcome to the Circus
David R. Amos
@Rob LeDrew "Talk about blind and deaf."
Methinks that whereas the Yankees duly elected the Reality TV dude they call "The Donald" as ringmaster of the Circus they call Congress. I truly believe the clown is a walking talking oxymoron of the Highest Order and incredibly funny. Whereas folks around the world paid their two bits to see the high diving act we might as well sit back and enjoy the Greatest Show on Earth N'esy Pas?
Methinks that whereas the Yankees duly elected the Reality TV dude they call "The Donald" as ringmaster of the Circus they call Congress. I truly believe the clown is a walking talking oxymoron of the Highest Order and incredibly funny. Whereas folks around the world paid their two bits to see the high diving act we might as well sit back and enjoy the Greatest Show on Earth N'esy Pas?
daryl tan
Can hardly wait for more pearls of wisdom from Donnie.
Maybe Crimea and Ukraine should just sue Russia....
Maybe Crimea and Ukraine should just sue Russia....
David R. Amos
@daryl tan Yea Right
Dave Arthur
No wonder Donnie’s casinos went broke. He doesn’t understand how poker is played.
David R. Amos
@Dave Arthur I agree
Roy Kirk
@Andrew Ogden He's done all
he can to stall and discredit a legitimate inquiry into the Russian
meddling that got him elected president.
David R. Amos
@Roy Kirk "He's done all he
can to stall and discredit a legitimate inquiry into the Russian
meddling that got him elected presidenT
Methinks the Yankees should finally investigate what went down between Mr Mueller et al and I many moons ago N'esy Pas?
Methinks the Yankees should finally investigate what went down between Mr Mueller et al and I many moons ago N'esy Pas?
Travis Ladwin
@David R. Amos
You really have a false, highly inflated sense of importance Mr. Amos. Methinks you should acquire the prestige of social interaction in the realm of reality, N'esy Pas?
You really have a false, highly inflated sense of importance Mr. Amos. Methinks you should acquire the prestige of social interaction in the realm of reality, N'esy Pas?
@Travis Ladwin Methinks I should ask how many lawyers have you sued lately N'esy Pas?
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David R. Amos
David R. Amos
Vic Yanda
Now that Trump has read the script given to him by Putin, will Putin give him the hotel room photos.
David R. Amos
@Vic Yanda Dream on
Kevin Delaney
David R. Amos@Kevin Delaney Oh So True Sir
Kevin Delaney
Trump: Rants against &threatens the press. Putin: Runs a Nation where journalists are killed.
Neither is interested in democracy.
Neither is interested in democracy.
Kevin Delaney
@Kevin Delaney
Now, let us talk about Walls Vladimir. You once had a beautiful Berlin Wall.. it got torn down. How can I help you get that Wall back??
Now, let us talk about Walls Vladimir. You once had a beautiful Berlin Wall.. it got torn down. How can I help you get that Wall back??
Chris Maurier
Greg Stafford
No one will ever know what
was discussed or what was achieved or not achieved but my belief is
Trump will return to the states with his tail between his legs only to
declare a huge win.
David R. Amos
@ Chris Maurier I concur
Greg Stafford
Trump is being played like a fiddle by a cunning KGB expert but Trump will call it another win.
David R. Amos
@Greg Stafford YUP
Amid investigations and tensions, Trump and Putin going 1-on-1
Helsinki meeting condemned in advance by assortment of members of U.S. Congress from both parties
Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!
Trump blames Obama
The meeting comes as questions swirl about whether Trump will sharply and publicly rebuke his Russian counterpart for the election meddling that prompted a special counsel probe that Trump has repeatedly labelled a witch hunt.
In his tweets, Trump continued to undermine the investigation, and blamed his predecessor, Barack Obama, for failing to stop Russia's efforts to sway the 2016 election in Trump's favour. He claimed Obama "was informed by the FBI about Russian Meddling, he said it couldn't happen, was no big deal, & did NOTHING about it."
CBC's Susan Ormiston, in Helsinki, says Putin seeks to undo Russia's isolation on the world stage and sees Trump as an "ally."
U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin meet today in Helsinki
00:00
09:40
Susan Ormiston reports on what will happen at the Trump/Putin summit. 9:40
While Trump was eager for a made-for-TV moment that will dominate headlines like his sit-down with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un last month, the Kremlin's primary mission was simply to have the summit happen. Putin hopes the meeting, mere hours after he presided over the World Cup finals, will help him forge good personal ties with Trump and focus on areas where Moscow and Washington may be able to find common ground, such as Syria.
EU a 'foe'
The two leaders first meet one-on-one in the Finnish presidential palace's opulent Gothic Hall, then continue their discussions with an expanded group of aides and over lunch in the Hall of Mirrors, once the emperor's throne room. The leaders will then take questions at a news conference before going their separate ways.
Putin will likely not be shooting for official recognition of Russia's 2014 annexation of Crimea or easing of the crippling U.S. sanctions, aware that the U.S. Congress would never allow such action.
But he would welcome a symbolic end to Western protests over Crimea and Moscow's attempts to destabilize elections and traditional Western alliances and norms.
In an interview with CBS News that aired Sunday, Trump described the European Union, a bloc of nations that includes many of America's closest allies, as a "foe."
'NATO is now strong & rich!'
That attack on the alliance came on the heels of Trump's jarring appearance at a NATO summit in Brussels, where he harshly criticized traditional allies over "delinquent" defence spending only to later confirm his commitment to the military alliance that has long been a bulwark against Russian aggression.
"NATO is now strong & rich!" Trump wrote in a celebratory tweet Monday morning. During his breakfast, he said NATO had "never been more together" and said the summit had been "a little bit tough at the beginning, but it turned out to be love."
"Unfortunately, no matter how well I do at the Summit, if I was given the great city of Moscow as retribution for all of the sins and evils committed by Russia over the years, I would return to criticism that it wasn't good enough — that I should have gotten Saint Petersburg in addition!" Trump tweeted.
"Much of our news media is indeed the enemy of the people and all the Dems know how to do is resist and obstruct!"
'There won't be a Perry Mason here'
"Russia has done nothing to deserve us meeting them in this way," said Nina Jankowicz, a global fellow at the Wilson Center's Kennan Institute who specializes in Russia, Ukraine and disinformation.
For Putin, she added, "not only is this a PR coup no matter what happens, Trump could say nothing and it would help to legitimize his regime."
Hovering over Helsinki is the spectre of the 2016 election interference and ongoing special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between Trump campaign officials and Russia.
"I don't think you'll have any 'Gee, I did it. I did it. You got me,"' said Trump, invoking a television detective. "There won't be a Perry Mason here, I don't think. But you never know what happens, right? But I will absolutely firmly ask the question."
Russia calls indictment 'shameful comedy'
Trump also said in the CBS interview that he had given no thought to asking Putin to extradite the dozen Russian military intelligence officers indicted this past week in on charges related to the hacking of Democratic targets.
But after being asked about that by his interviewer, Trump said "certainly I'll be asking about it"
although extradition is highly unlikely. The U.S. doesn't have an extradition treaty with Moscow and can't force the Russians to hand over citizens. Russia's constitution also prohibits turning over citizens to foreign governments.
Putin is likely to strongly reaffirm his denial of any meddling and cast the U.S. charges as unfounded.
On Syria, a possible deal could see Moscow helping mediate the withdrawal of Iranian forces and their Hezbollah proxies from the areas alongside Syria's border with Israel — a diplomatic coup that would reflect Russia's carefully cultivated ties with both Israel and Iran.
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Kicking off his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump said in Helsinki, "I really think the world wants to see us get along."
The pair arrived at the presidential palace in Finland's capital for a long-awaited meeting, hours after Trump blamed Washington's own past "foolishness and stupidity," and not Russian election meddling or the country's annexation of Crimea, for bad relations between the two countries.
"I think we have great opportunities together ... frankly we have not been getting along the last few years," Trump said.
Putin, for his part, said he and Trump have maintained regular contact, including talking by phone and meeting at international events. Speaking through an interpreter, the Russian leader said, "The time has come to have a thorough discussion on various international problems and sensitive issues."
The meeting takes place against a backdrop of fraying Western alliances, a new peak in the Russia investigation and fears that Moscow's aggression may go unchallenged.
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse," Trump tweeted from Finland on Monday morning:
The meeting, which was being closely watched by rattled world capitals, was condemned in advance by members of Congress from both parties after the U.S. indictment last week of 12 Russian military intelligence officers accused of hacking Democrats in the 2016 election to help Trump's presidential campaign.
Hillary Clinton,Trump's 2016 presidential opponent, also weighed in, via Twitter.
Russia denies interfering in the U.S. presidential election.
Trump has said he will raise the election meddling, but does not expect to get anywhere. He has repeatedly noted that Putin denies it, also saying it is alleged to have taken place before he became president.
CBC's Susan Ormiston, in Helsinki, tells us what to expect from today's meeting.
While
Trump was eager for a made-for-TV moment that will dominate headlines
like his sit-down with North Korean leader Kim Jong-un last month, the
Kremlin's primary mission was simply to have the summit happen. Putin
hopes the meeting, mere hours after he presided over the World Cup
finals, will help him forge good personal ties with Trump and focus on
areas where Moscow and Washington may be able to find common ground,
such as Syria.
Ahead of his sitdown with Putin, who has cracked down on the free press, Trump continued to unleash a series of attacks on the media, including as Air Force One descended into Helsinki.
"Unfortunately, no matter how well I do at the Summit, if I was given the great city of Moscow as retribution for all of the sins and evils committed by Russia over the years, I would return to criticism that it wasn't good enough — that I should have gotten Saint Petersburg in addition!" Trump tweeted.
"Much of our news media is indeed the enemy of the people and all the Dems know how to do is resist and obstruct!"
A
message supporting the free press on a video wall at the Helsinki Music
Centre. U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir
Putin are meeting in Finland's capital Monday. (Ints Kalnins/Reuters)
The two leaders were holding a one-on-one meeting with only interpreters, followed by a working lunch accompanied by advisers.
The summit caps a trip abroad during which Trump harshly criticized NATO allies for failing to spend enough on their militaries and he referred to the European Union as a "foe" in trade.
In
some of the strongest words yet reflecting the unease of Washington's
traditional allies, Germany's foreign minister said on Monday Europe
could not rely on Trump.
"We can no longer completely rely on the White House," Heiko Maas told the Funke newspaper group.
"To maintain our partnership with the U.S.A., we must readjust it. The first clear consequence can only be that we need to align ourselves even more closely in Europe.
"Europe must not let itself be divided, however sharp the verbal attacks and absurd the tweets may be."
Hovering over Helsinki is the spectre of the 2016 election interference and ongoing special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between Trump campaign officials and Russia.
Putin is likely to strongly reaffirm his denial of any meddling and cast the U.S. charges as unfounded.
The Russian Foreign Ministry rejected last week's indictment as part of a "shameful comedy" staged by those in the U.S. who try to prevent the normalization of Russia-U.S. ties, arguing that it doesn't contain evidence to back the accusations.
On Syria, a possible deal could see Moscow helping mediate the withdrawal of Iranian forces and their Hezbollah proxies from the areas alongside Syria's border with Israel — a diplomatic coup that would reflect Russia's carefully cultivated ties with both Israel and Iran.
Russian
President Vladimir Putin smiles during a news conference on Monday with
U.S. President Donald Trump at the presidential palace in Helsinki,
Finland. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press)
U.S. President Donald Trump said after meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday in Helsinki that he didn't see "any reason why" Russia would have interfered in the 2016 U.S. federal election, despite the findings of his own intelligence agencies.
On a day when he faced pressure from critics, allied countries and even his own staff to take a tough line, Trump said not a single critical word about Moscow on any of the issues that have brought relations between the two powers to the lowest ebb since the Cold War.
Instead,
he denounced the "stupidity" of his own country's policy, especially
the decision to investigate election interference. Trump's performance
is likely to create a political storm in the United States, where the
White House has struggled for months to dispel a suggestion that Trump
was unwilling to stand up to Putin.
Trump held his meeting with Putin just days after a special prosecutor in the United States indicted 12 Russian agents for stealing Democratic Party documents to help him win the vote. Asked if he believed U.S. intelligence agencies, which concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help him defeat Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, he said he was not convinced.
Watch as Trump deflects a direct question about Russian election interference.
"I don't see any reason why it would be" Russia, Trump said.
"President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today."
The U.S. president also continued to deny that there had been any other collusion between his campaign and Russians, declaring: "We ran a brilliant campaign and that's why I'm president."
Speaking through an interpreter, Putin once again denied what he described as "so-called interference of Russia." He called it "nonsense" and insisted the Russian state had never interfered and would never interfere in the American electoral process.
Trump and Putin attend a working lunch during their meeting on Monday. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press)
Putin
said the meeting marked the first steps to restore "an acceptable level
of trust and go back to previous level of interaction on all mutual
interest issues."
The Russian president reiterated his message in an interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News, saying allegations of meddling were ridiculous and that Russia had nothing compromising on Trump.
"I
don't want to insult President Trump when I say this — and I may come
as rude — but before he announced that he will run for presidency, he
was of no interest for us," he said in the Fox interview.
American intelligence agencies have said their assessments show that Russia meddled in the 2016 campaign.
In a statement released after the meeting between the two leaders, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats — who was appointed by Trump — said the role of the intelligence community is "to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible" for the president and U.S. policymakers.
"We have been clear in our assessment of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.
As reaction and criticism poured in after the meeting, the U.S. president weighed in again on Twitter later Monday, saying "as I said today and many times before, "I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people." However, I also recognize that in order to build a brighter future, we cannot exclusively focus on the past — as the world's two largest nuclear powers, we must get along!"
Before the summit even began, Trump blamed his own country for the deterioration in relations.
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" he said on Twitter. The Russian foreign ministry tweeted back: "We agree."
At the news conference, Trump was invited by reporters to offer any criticism of Russia but he repeatedly declined.
Asked if Russia was at all to blame for the poor ties, he said: "I hold both countries responsible. I think the U.S. has been foolish. We've all been foolish," he said, before veering into discussion about his election victory.
Watch as Trump blames both U.S. and Russia for the frosty relations between the 2 nations.
"I
beat Hillary Clinton easily and frankly we beat her. We won that race
and it's a shame that there can be even a little bit of a cloud over
it," he said.
Trump's warm words for Russia were a marked contrast from the past week when he repeatedly rebuked traditional U.S. allies at a summit of NATO and during a visit to Britain.
Asked if Putin was an adversary, he said: "Actually I called him a competitor and a good competitor he is and I think the word competitor is a compliment."
Putin
spoke of the importance of the two countries working together and
praised Trump, at one point interrupting the news conference to give the
U.S. president a soccer ball.
Asked whether he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election and had instructed officials to help him, Putin said, "Yes I did," although he denied any interference, saying the allegations were "complete nonsense."
Trump also told gathered reporters that Putin made an "incredible offer" of law enforcement collaboration during the leaders' one-on-one summit.
Watch the full Trump-Putin news conference below.
Putin
said American investigators who have charged 12 Russians with hacking
during the 2016 presidential election can come work with Russian
investigators on the case.
A spokesperson for special counsel Robert Mueller, whose office on Friday charged the hackers, declined to comment.
It was not clear from Trump's statement what sort of help Putin was offering. The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia, making it uncertain that the indicted Russian military intelligence officers will ever be prosecuted in an American courtroom.
The summit, which is being closely watched around the world, was not the first time Trump and Putin have held talks. They met on the sidelines of world leader meetings in Germany and Vietnam last year.
Trump goes 1 on 1 with Putin, says world wants them to 'get along'
Helsinki meeting condemned in advance by assortment of members of U.S. Congress from both parties
Trump and Putin meet for historic summit in Helsinki
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'Getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing,' says U.S. president 1:56
Kicking off his summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday, U.S. President Donald Trump said in Helsinki, "I really think the world wants to see us get along."
The pair arrived at the presidential palace in Finland's capital for a long-awaited meeting, hours after Trump blamed Washington's own past "foolishness and stupidity," and not Russian election meddling or the country's annexation of Crimea, for bad relations between the two countries.
"I think we have great opportunities together ... frankly we have not been getting along the last few years," Trump said.
Putin, for his part, said he and Trump have maintained regular contact, including talking by phone and meeting at international events. Speaking through an interpreter, the Russian leader said, "The time has come to have a thorough discussion on various international problems and sensitive issues."
The meeting takes place against a backdrop of fraying Western alliances, a new peak in the Russia investigation and fears that Moscow's aggression may go unchallenged.
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse," Trump tweeted from Finland on Monday morning:
Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!
The meeting, which was being closely watched by rattled world capitals, was condemned in advance by members of Congress from both parties after the U.S. indictment last week of 12 Russian military intelligence officers accused of hacking Democrats in the 2016 election to help Trump's presidential campaign.
Hillary Clinton,Trump's 2016 presidential opponent, also weighed in, via Twitter.
Great World Cup. Question for President Trump as he meets Putin: Do you know which team you play for?
Russia denies interfering in the U.S. presidential election.
Trump has said he will raise the election meddling, but does not expect to get anywhere. He has repeatedly noted that Putin denies it, also saying it is alleged to have taken place before he became president.
CBC's Susan Ormiston, in Helsinki, tells us what to expect from today's meeting.
What to expect in the Trump-Putin meeting
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CBC News senior correspondent Susan Ormiston offers perspective on the historic summit in Helsinki 1:54
EU a 'foe'
Ahead of his sitdown with Putin, who has cracked down on the free press, Trump continued to unleash a series of attacks on the media, including as Air Force One descended into Helsinki.
"Unfortunately, no matter how well I do at the Summit, if I was given the great city of Moscow as retribution for all of the sins and evils committed by Russia over the years, I would return to criticism that it wasn't good enough — that I should have gotten Saint Petersburg in addition!" Trump tweeted.
"Much of our news media is indeed the enemy of the people and all the Dems know how to do is resist and obstruct!"
The summit caps a trip abroad during which Trump harshly criticized NATO allies for failing to spend enough on their militaries and he referred to the European Union as a "foe" in trade.
"We can no longer completely rely on the White House," Heiko Maas told the Funke newspaper group.
"To maintain our partnership with the U.S.A., we must readjust it. The first clear consequence can only be that we need to align ourselves even more closely in Europe.
"Europe must not let itself be divided, however sharp the verbal attacks and absurd the tweets may be."
Russia calls indictment 'shameful comedy'
Hovering over Helsinki is the spectre of the 2016 election interference and ongoing special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible collusion between Trump campaign officials and Russia.
The Russian Foreign Ministry rejected last week's indictment as part of a "shameful comedy" staged by those in the U.S. who try to prevent the normalization of Russia-U.S. ties, arguing that it doesn't contain evidence to back the accusations.
On Syria, a possible deal could see Moscow helping mediate the withdrawal of Iranian forces and their Hezbollah proxies from the areas alongside Syria's border with Israel — a diplomatic coup that would reflect Russia's carefully cultivated ties with both Israel and Iran.
With files from Reuters and CBC
Trump says he doesn't see why Russia would have meddled in election
After Putin meeting, Trump tweets: 'I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people'
U.S. President Donald Trump said after meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday in Helsinki that he didn't see "any reason why" Russia would have interfered in the 2016 U.S. federal election, despite the findings of his own intelligence agencies.
On a day when he faced pressure from critics, allied countries and even his own staff to take a tough line, Trump said not a single critical word about Moscow on any of the issues that have brought relations between the two powers to the lowest ebb since the Cold War.
Trump held his meeting with Putin just days after a special prosecutor in the United States indicted 12 Russian agents for stealing Democratic Party documents to help him win the vote. Asked if he believed U.S. intelligence agencies, which concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election to help him defeat Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, he said he was not convinced.
Watch as Trump deflects a direct question about Russian election interference.
Trump deflects direct question about Russian election interference
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Blames Democrats and Hillary Clinton, and says he believes Vladimir Putin's denial of any wrongdoing 4:41
"President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today."
The U.S. president also continued to deny that there had been any other collusion between his campaign and Russians, declaring: "We ran a brilliant campaign and that's why I'm president."
Speaking through an interpreter, Putin once again denied what he described as "so-called interference of Russia." He called it "nonsense" and insisted the Russian state had never interfered and would never interfere in the American electoral process.
The Russian president reiterated his message in an interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News, saying allegations of meddling were ridiculous and that Russia had nothing compromising on Trump.
'Clear in our assessment'
American intelligence agencies have said their assessments show that Russia meddled in the 2016 campaign.
In a statement released after the meeting between the two leaders, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats — who was appointed by Trump — said the role of the intelligence community is "to provide the best information and fact-based assessments possible" for the president and U.S. policymakers.
"We have been clear in our assessment of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and their ongoing, pervasive efforts to undermine our democracy, and we will continue to provide unvarnished and objective intelligence in support of our national security.
As reaction and criticism poured in after the meeting, the U.S. president weighed in again on Twitter later Monday, saying "as I said today and many times before, "I have GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people." However, I also recognize that in order to build a brighter future, we cannot exclusively focus on the past — as the world's two largest nuclear powers, we must get along!"
'Foolishness and stupidity'
Before the summit even began, Trump blamed his own country for the deterioration in relations.
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!" he said on Twitter. The Russian foreign ministry tweeted back: "We agree."
At the news conference, Trump was invited by reporters to offer any criticism of Russia but he repeatedly declined.
Asked if Russia was at all to blame for the poor ties, he said: "I hold both countries responsible. I think the U.S. has been foolish. We've all been foolish," he said, before veering into discussion about his election victory.
Watch as Trump blames both U.S. and Russia for the frosty relations between the 2 nations.
Trump blames U.S. and Russia for frosty relations between countries
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'I think that the United States has been foolish,' U.S. president says at Helsinki news conference 2:00
Trump's warm words for Russia were a marked contrast from the past week when he repeatedly rebuked traditional U.S. allies at a summit of NATO and during a visit to Britain.
Asked if Putin was an adversary, he said: "Actually I called him a competitor and a good competitor he is and I think the word competitor is a compliment."
Asked whether he had wanted Trump to win the 2016 election and had instructed officials to help him, Putin said, "Yes I did," although he denied any interference, saying the allegations were "complete nonsense."
Trump also told gathered reporters that Putin made an "incredible offer" of law enforcement collaboration during the leaders' one-on-one summit.
Watch the full Trump-Putin news conference below.
CBC News
Donald Trump news conference with Vladimir Putin
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U.S. President Donald
Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin speak to reporters following
their meeting in Helsinki on Monday. 45:50
A spokesperson for special counsel Robert Mueller, whose office on Friday charged the hackers, declined to comment.
It was not clear from Trump's statement what sort of help Putin was offering. The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia, making it uncertain that the indicted Russian military intelligence officers will ever be prosecuted in an American courtroom.
The summit, which is being closely watched around the world, was not the first time Trump and Putin have held talks. They met on the sidelines of world leader meetings in Germany and Vietnam last year.
Clarifications
- An earlier version of this story said Trump and Putin emerged from the summit and said Moscow did not interfere in the 2016 U.S. election. In fact, Trump said, "I don't see any reason why it would be [Russia]."Jul 16, 2018 3:47 PM ET
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