'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says

I made it a point to make the last comment in order to see if CBC would allow it to stand the test of time. Well they posted it without blocking it like they did in another web page  earlier today so perhaps the worm is turning on their support of Trump and NATO N'esy Pas?

 

BTW I talked to the snobby CBC dude John Paul Tasker personally while ag and asked if he ever read the comments sections of his articles and he said Hell No. I just laughed and hung up. Logic commands that anybody as vain as he is wh want to know what folks think of his work, After hung up from talking with Tasker I posted a comment about our conversation in one of his articles and CBC deleted it so fast it would make your head spin. Too Too Funny Indeed.

 

That said this last comment is incredibly important ask yourself why the Crown has not protected the Prime Minister's reputation. Trust that deleting that comment this morning in CBC only made matters worst particularly after I emailed it and called a lot of embassies about it today. 

 

Heres hoping this comment remains. Like Trump I checked the time as well before my supper an my last comment has lasted 1 hour thus far. So its looking good as I chow down N'esy Pas?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-nato-allies-delinquent-military-spending-1.4742588

Trump says NATO allies like Canada are 'delinquent' on military spending. Is he wrong?

'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says

John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 6:10 PM ET


 885 Comments
 Commenting is now closed for this story.



 
David R. Amos
Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15
A portion of Statement # 83

83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over five years after he began his bragging:

Friday, October 3, 2014

Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And

Stupid Justin Trudeau

Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide

behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.

When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s then grossly incorrect assumption



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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 10:47:45 -0400
Subject: Oh My CBC is back to blocking me again Yet the same comment was OK yesterday
Nesy Pas?
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'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says

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Subject: Automatic reply: Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this and want to talk 

to you N'esy Pas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?
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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this and want to talk to you 

N'esy Pas Mr Prime Minister Trudeau?
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'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says



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David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others
Here the first lines of my latest lets see if CBC blocks it

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/07/httpwww.html

#Trudeau #NATOSummit2018   #Trump

Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this N'esy Pas?
Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15
Survey Says??? YUP

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-nato-1.4743670




David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others
Garry Moore Even the BBC is calling us out. My reply Methinks I called
out BBC et al in an ethical fashion but too bad so sad some of my
replies were disabled Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas? #Trudeau

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/07/httpwww.html




https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-nato-1.4743670


Trump's claim that NATO will boost defence spending disputed
French president says allies confirmed intention to meet 2% goal by
2024 and no more
The Associated Press · Posted: Jul 12, 2018 3:44 AM ET


 1169 Comments


David R. Amos
Content disabled.
Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this N'esy Pas?

Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15

A portion of Statement # 83

83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
five years after he began his bragging:

Friday, October 3, 2014

Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And

Stupid Justin Trudeau

Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide

behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.

When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
then grossly incorrect assumption.




http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-nato-allies-delinquent-military-spending-1.4742588


Trump says NATO allies like Canada are 'delinquent' on military
spending. Is he wrong?
'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 6:10 PM ET



765 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.



 Garry Moore
Even the BBC is calling us out.


Show 13 older replies

david mccaig
@Robert Paul
Baloney


David R. Amos
@david mccaig PolitiFact

Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15

A portion of Statement # 83

83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
five years after he began his bragging:

Friday, October 3, 2014
Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
Stupid Justin Trudeau

Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.

When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
then grossly incorrect assumption.

David R. Amos
@David R. Amos continued

Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s incompetence and stupidity, the
Canadian Army was heroic, professional, punched well above it’s
weight, and the PPCLI Battle Group, is credited with “saving
Afghanistan” during the Panjway campaign of 2006.

What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.

What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.

The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.


David R. Amos
Content disabled.
@David R. Amos continued

President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
essential for the security and tranquility of the developed world. An
ISIS “caliphate,” in the Middle East, no matter how small, is a clear
and present danger to the entire world. This “occupied state,”
or“failed state” will prosecute an unending Islamic inspired war of
terror against not only the “western world,” but Arab states
“moderate” or not, as well. The security, safety, and tranquility of
Canada and Canadians are just at risk now with the emergence of an
ISIS“caliphate” no matter how large or small, as it was with the
Taliban and Al Quaeda “marriage” in Afghanistan.

One of the everlasting “legacies” of the “Trudeau the Elder’s dynasty
was Canada and successive Liberal governments cowering behind the
amerkan’s nuclear and conventional military shield, at the same time
denigrating, insulting them, opposing them, and at the same time
self-aggrandizing ourselves as “peace keepers,” and progenitors of
“world peace.” Canada failed. The United States of Amerka, NATO, the
G7 and or G20 will no longer permit that sort of sanctimonious
behavior from Canada or its government any longer. And Prime Minister
Stephen Harper, Foreign Minister John Baird , and Cabinet are fully
cognizant of that reality. Even if some editorial boards, and pundits
are not.


David R. Amos
Content disabled.
@David R. Amos Continued

Justin, Trudeau “the younger” is reprising the time “honoured” liberal
mantra, and tradition of expecting the amerkans or the rest of the
world to do “the heavy lifting.” Justin Trudeau and his “butt buddy”
David Amos are telling Canadians that we can guarantee our security
and safety by expecting other nations to fight for us. That Canada can
and should attempt to guarantee Canadians safety by providing
“humanitarian aid” somewhere, and call a sitting US president a “war
criminal.” This morning Australia announced they too, were sending
tactical aircraft to eliminate the menace of an ISIS “caliphate.”

In one sense Prime Minister Harper is every bit the scoundrel Trudeau
“the elder” and Jean ‘the crook” Chretien was. Just As Trudeau, and
successive Liberal governments delighted in diminishing,
marginalizing, under funding Canadian Forces, and sending Canadian
military men and women to die with inadequate kit and modern
equipment; so too is Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada’s F-18s are
antiquated, poorly equipped, and ought to have been replaced five
years ago. But alas, there won’t be single RCAF fighter jock that
won’t go, or won’t want to go, to make Canada safe or safer.

My Grandfather served this country. My father served this country. My
Uncle served this country. And I have served this country. Justin
Trudeau has not served Canada in any way. Thomas Mulcair has not
served this country in any way. Liberals and so called social
democrats haven’t served this country in any way. David Amos, and
other drooling fools have not served this great nation in any way. Yet
these fools are more than prepared to ensure their, our safety to
other nations, and then criticize them for doing so.

There is a lot more


David R. Amos
@Garry Moore Methinksl I called out BBC et al in an ethical fashion
but too bad so sad some of my replies were disabled Surprise Surprise
N'esy Pas?


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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:35:43 -0400
Subject: ATTN Trevor Kerr RE Rt Hon Boris Johnson MP RE NATO etc
Methinks you should read this email real slow then say Hey to May,
Trump and Trudeau for me N'esy Pas?
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Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others

Here the first lines of my latest lets see if CBC blocks it

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/07/httpwww.html  

#Trudeau #NATOSummit2018   #Trump

Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this N'esy Pas?
Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15
Survey Says??? YUP

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-nato-1.4743670




David Raymond Amos‏ @DavidRayAmos

Replying to @DavidRayAmos @FloryGoncalves and 49 others

Garry Moore Even the BBC is calling us out. My reply Methinks I called out BBC et al in an ethical fashion but too bad so sad some of my replies were disabled Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas? #Trudeau

http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2018/07/httpwww.html 




https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-nato-1.4743670 

Trump's claim that NATO will boost defence spending disputed

French president says allies confirmed intention to meet 2% goal by 2024 and no more

The Associated Press · Posted: Jul 12, 2018 3:44 AM ET


 1169 Comments

Content disabled.
David R. Amos

Sooner or later somebody in NATO will read this N'esy Pas?

Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15

A portion of Statement # 83

83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over five years after he began his bragging:

Friday, October 3, 2014

Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And

Stupid Justin Trudeau

Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide

behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.

When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s then grossly incorrect assumption.




http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-nato-allies-delinquent-military-spending-1.4742588

Trump says NATO allies like Canada are 'delinquent' on military spending. Is he wrong?

'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says

John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 6:10 PM ET

885 Comments
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Cindy Fordyce

How about Trump drop the US NATO spending down to 2% and quit war-mongering

David R. Amos

@Cindy Fordyce Methinks folks should read my comments found within the thread below this one N'esy Pas?

  
Garry Moore

Even the BBC is calling us out.

Show 13 older replies

 

david mccaig

@Robert Paul
Baloney

David R. Amos

@david mccaig PolitiFact

Statement of Claim Federal Court of Canada File # T-1557-15

A portion of Statement # 83

83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over five years after he began his bragging:

Friday, October 3, 2014
Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
Stupid Justin Trudeau

Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.

When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute” Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind. The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s then grossly incorrect assumption.

David R. Amos

@David R. Amos continued

Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic, professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway campaign of 2006.

What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent, support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.

What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.

The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war. That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.

Content disabled.

David R. Amos

@David R. Amos continued

President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state” Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control, and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and essential for the security and tranquility of the developed world. An ISIS “caliphate,” in the Middle East, no matter how small, is a clear and present danger to the entire world. This “occupied state,” or“failed state” will prosecute an unending Islamic inspired war of terror against not only the “western world,” but Arab states “moderate” or not, as well. The security, safety, and tranquility of Canada and Canadians are just at risk now with the emergence of an ISIS“caliphate” no matter how large or small, as it was with the Taliban and Al Quaeda “marriage” in Afghanistan.

One of the everlasting “legacies” of the “Trudeau the Elder’s dynasty was Canada and successive Liberal governments cowering behind the amerkan’s nuclear and conventional military shield, at the same time denigrating, insulting them, opposing them, and at the same time self-aggrandizing ourselves as “peace keepers,” and progenitors of “world peace.” Canada failed. The United States of Amerka, NATO, the G7 and or G20 will no longer permit that sort of sanctimonious behavior from Canada or its government any longer. And Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Foreign Minister John Baird , and Cabinet are fully cognizant of that reality. Even if some editorial boards, and pundits are not.

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David R. Amos

@David R. Amos Continued

Justin, Trudeau “the younger” is reprising the time “honoured” liberal mantra, and tradition of expecting the amerkans or the rest of the world to do “the heavy lifting.” Justin Trudeau and his “butt buddy” David Amos are telling Canadians that we can guarantee our security and safety by expecting other nations to fight for us. That Canada can and should attempt to guarantee Canadians safety by providing “humanitarian aid” somewhere, and call a sitting US president a “war criminal.” This morning Australia announced they too, were sending tactical aircraft to eliminate the menace of an ISIS “caliphate.”

In one sense Prime Minister Harper is every bit the scoundrel Trudeau “the elder” and Jean ‘the crook” Chretien was. Just As Trudeau, and successive Liberal governments delighted in diminishing, marginalizing, under funding Canadian Forces, and sending Canadian military men and women to die with inadequate kit and modern equipment; so too is Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Canada’s F-18s are antiquated, poorly equipped, and ought to have been replaced five years ago. But alas, there won’t be single RCAF fighter jock that won’t go, or won’t want to go, to make Canada safe or safer.

My Grandfather served this country. My father served this country. My Uncle served this country. And I have served this country. Justin Trudeau has not served Canada in any way. Thomas Mulcair has not served this country in any way. Liberals and so called social democrats haven’t served this country in any way. David Amos, and other drooling fools have not served this great nation in any way. Yet these fools are more than prepared to ensure their, our safety to other nations, and then criticize them for doing so.

There is a lot more

David R. Amos

@Garry Moore Methinksl I called out BBC et al in an ethical fashion but too bad so sad some of my replies were disabled Surprise Surprise N'esy Pas?

 
Mike Trout

Wake up America...................impeach Trump.

David R. Amos

@Mike Trout "Wake up America...................impeach Trump"

Methinks if you are remotely serious about waking up Yankees perhaps you should Google the following and share your newfound info N'esy Pas?

Trump Cohen Morneau Amos NAFTA FATCA TPP

 
Ashley Zacharias

If Trump is unhappy that the US spends twice as much on defense as the other NATO members, the solution is simple. He can cut American defense spending in half.

David R. Amos

@Ashley Zacharias Methinks The Donal should just quit NATO like he does everything else. I have no doubt whatsoever that it would go the way of the Dodo Bird and he Carrier Pigeon in a heartbeat because it has only served Yankee interests since the Cold War was over N'esy Pas?

 

Richard Dunphy

As usual, Trump only reads the summary - not the entire report.

And I'm not sure he even reads the summary.

Greece spends a larger percent of its GDP on its military than every other country except the US - but does Greece pull its weight as a NATO ally?

Canada does more as a NATO member with the money it spends than Greece does, but we're away down the list - and that's all that Trump sees and cares about.

These kinds of questions are away beyond President Stable Genius' ability to understand - all he sees is the bottom line on the financial ledger. The man is utterly incompetent, and needs to be kept away from important governing decision making. Canada certainly should ignore him.

David R. Amos

@Richard Dunphy "As usual, Trump only reads the summary - not the entire report."

What make you think Trump reads anything? Methinks it been reported that he just watches many TV channels at the same time and relies on dudes such as John Bolton et al to advise him on what to say and do at any particular point in time N'esy Pas?

 

Kate White

"Delinquent"?
US owes 1.3 BILLION to UN. Pot calling kettle!

David R. Amos

@Kate White "US owes 1.3 BILLION to UN. Pot calling kettle!"

YUP

Methinks the pot calling the kettle names is The Donald"s forte N'esy Pas?

 
Barbara Leblanc

Who cares what self-serving Trump says except his self-righteous base.

David R. Amos

@Barbara Leblanc "Who cares what self-serving Trump says except his self-righteous base"

Nay Not I

Methinks everybody "in the know" knows how I love torturing his lawyers and advisers byway of the phone, email, blogs and Twitter N'esy Pas?

 
Dwight Williams

Dear Mr. Drumpf,

No other nation on the planet is going to spend money on the military like your poorly-concealed military/industrial/economic repressive empire. Instead of telling us to spend more, how about you get panhandle on your multi-trillion dollar debt by spending less?

David R. Amos

@Dwight Williams Dream On Methinks the Donald's mission is to create more debt for the benefit of his bankster backers N'esy Pas?

 
David James

President Trump is 100% correct in his latest assertion. Canadians tend to exist within their Utopia without fully understanding their obligation to NATO. Quite simply folks, Canada has a duty to pay her fair share of military spending. Either this or remove ourselves from the NATO alliance for good. Period!

David R. Amos

@David James President Trump is 100% correct in his latest assertion.

Oh My My don't you sound just like an old foe of mine? Methinks I could not count the number of folks commenting within the the CBC domain that disagree with you. Perhaps you should read all my comments in the the "Most Liked" thread above before you attempt to argue me N'esy Pas?

David James

@David R. Amos

Odd. I did indeed check your history and I didn't see too many "likes" accrued there either. N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

@David James Methinks I should feel honoured that you don't like me however you won't dare to argue me will ya N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos

@David James Methinks you already know my Father was a Mason as were many sons of the Keith Clan. However what you may not know is that a good friend of mine was a 32nd Degree Mason. i know both ghosts would affirm that the Chief of the Amos Clan does not follow anyone's orders and maintains his oath to his Clan "Veritas Vincit"so to speak N'esy Pas?

David R. Amos 

@David James "I served in Canada's military, have you?"

Ya like military history EH? Well I never served but I was accepted to St Jean in 1970 without having to finishmy final in High School but opted not to go because they would not allow me to learn to fly jets at the same time because they were trimming down the armed forces and cutting corners under the Liberals remember?

My Father definitely served the British Crown as did legions of my relatives going way back through time and not all survived. my Father's plane went down in WW II. He was the soul survivor out 9 men in that crash. He was too pigheaded to die hence I would not be typing this right now. He did name me after his friend David Hornell (look him up sometime) who was killed on my Mother's birthday in 1944 two weeks after her favourite brother Raymond was killed in Normandy. I was given his name as well Need I say I have felt honured to be named after such men my whole life?. You should be so lucky N'esy Pas?

BTW my 32nd Degree Yankee buddy flew a B29 over Tokyo. He did some impressive flying getting his shot up bomber and the survivors of his crew back to the base on Tenian while being wounded as well. i bet you are wondering who he was. Well a clue for you would be he had two very famous forefathers. One of them my forefather Daniel Keith fought against hundreds of years ago. Check History.


 
Don King

I don’t like Trump one bit, but he’s got a point. Our military spending and the size and condition of it is shameful.

David R. Amos

@Don King "I don’t like Trump one bit, but he’s got a point."

NOPE

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-trump-nato-brussels-1.4741585

Trudeau and Trump talk trade on NATO sidelines

Relations between Canada and the U.S. tense amid tariff war

Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 4:00 AM ET

3096 Comments ( The tally was 3187 before I refreshed the page)
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Paul Cooper

Good. Unfortunately there is really no point in talking to him anymore.

Sally Ride

@Paul Cooper Trump or Trudeau?

David R. Amos

@Sally Ride Both

"While in Brussels Wednesday, Trudeau announced that Canada will assume command of a new NATO training mission in Iraq that will include the deployment of up to 250 Canadian Armed Forces personnel for one year.

The troops will be deployed to Baghdad and the surrounding area, along with up to four Griffon helicopters to support NATO activities."

 
Emmanuel Rochon

The USA is moving to chart its own very independent course in trade and politics, apart from all other countries, perhaps except for Russia and Israel, and now they are trying to manage our military spending? All this after is after throwing a global fit when Canada retaliated by imposing tariffs of its own. The USA can't have it both ways...asserting its independence from the world while still ordering the world around.

Mark Leenders

@Joe Renaud I'm sure that's a large part of Trump's sudden demands for more spending. We should buy our next jets from Sweden (the Viggen) or maybe buy the Eurofighter Typhoon.

David R. Amos

@Mark Leenders Why not?

David R. Amos

@Mark Leenders Better yet why not have Bombardier build our own?

George Abbott

Now that the Thailand Cave rescue is over we are back to Trump headline news again. How depressing.

Kevin Delaney

@Ron Paul
Obama was part of the core problem that led to Trump & the current mess. No partisanship can be permitted here.

Kevin Delaney

@George Abbott
Both Putin & Trump are depressing. The fact that one is playing the other to great effect is even more depressing. The fact that a once great nation is content to be played & even denies being played... well, how depressing is that??

David R. Amos

@Kevin Delaney Methinks you need to learn to not take things to seriously and simply enjoy the circus because there is nothing you can do about it anyway N'esy Pas?

Erin Wilson

Good for Trudeau. There's really no point in ever trying to communicate with Don Trump again. Don Trump has become more unhinged. Don Trump is extremely dishonest & you can't trust or believe a word that he says.

If Trudeau does talk to Don Trump, he should ask Don Trump if the big Baby Trump balloon blimp will be in the Macy's parade or Don Trump's big maga-military parade.

Ian MacDonald

@Kurt Westerguard
What have we asked for? For Trump to honour agreements? To bargain in good faith? Instead the twit in chief continually makes bad deals and poor decisions for his country while being lauded by the right.

I love how you think Trudeau is "the worst card player". Global trade isn't a game or something you can win. It's about mutually beneficial growth. If America has a trade deficit it's probably because the USA is the world's largest consumer.

But whatever, socks selfies brows take your pick.

David R. Amos 

@Ian MacDonald "Global trade isn't a game or something you can win. It's about mutually beneficial growth. If America has a trade deficit it's probably because the USA is the world's largest consumer"

YUP





 
Allan Campbell

The world needs to stop giving trump the attention he craves.

David R. Amos

@Allan Campbell YUP

Dale Sullivan

When it comes to trade, Trump believes he can put everyone on their knees. He may have bitten off more than he can chew with China. Trump thinks a trade deficit means the country is losing money. Eventually his hissy fits will start to hurt Americans with lost jobs and higher prices. Better to stay away from him.

David R. Amos

@Dale Sullivan "He may have bitten off more than he can chew with China."

YUP

Kathy Altenhofen

Maybe the warmongers should decrease their military spending and fund something for the US citizens, like universal health care.

Kevin Delaney

@Kathy Altenhofen
LOL America will start doing that when Putin starts funding Russian old age pensions

David R. Amos

@Kevin Delaney Methinks you are starting to enjoy the circus N'esy Pas?

 
Richard Dunphy

What's the point of anyone talking with someone like Trump?

Trump is cognitively unable to grasp the most basic of concepts - like 'Balanced Trade'.

Talking with Trump is exactly like talking with Kim j-un.

They each just want the spotlight and a good photo-op or sound byte.

Manny Fredrick

@Richard Dunphy Maybe Justin will teach him how budgets balance themselves, whoops, hasn't happened yet. But then, Justin hates photo ops.

David R. Amos

@Manny Fredrick Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?

 
Kevin Delaney

America these days has more in common with Russia via Trump then America has with Canada.
America has a leader that values dictatorial practices via a supreme leader. That needs to be pointed out to America by those who were once America's allies.

Putin is pleased to welcome Trump & America to his club. The US Republicans seems pleased as well.

David R. Amos

@Kevin Delaney "Putin is pleased to welcome Trump & America to his club. The US Republicans seems pleased as well"

Methinks you must be joking N'esy Pas?

Ian MacDonald

"Germany is a captive of Russia!"- Trump
That's the pot calling the kettle black

Kevin Delaney

@Ian MacDonald
Putin is howling with laughter at that one. Donnie is going to get a hearty back slap & hand shake. Trumps's debrief with Putin will go very well.

David R. Amos

@Kevin Delaney "Putin is howling with laughter at that one.
YUP

Donnie is going to get a hearty back slap & hand shake. Trumps's debrief with Putin will go very well.
NOPE

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-nato-1.4741923

Trump suggests NATO allies could double defence spending beyond 2014 pledge

U.S. leader kicks off 2-day summit by accusing Germany of being a 'captive of Russia' over energy deal

The Associated Press · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 3:13 AM ET

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Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad)

Seriously, a man with 6 bankruptcies telling others how to pay bills.

Kate Ferguson

@Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad)

Trump is putting on a reality show for Americans, it's called "I'm the tough guy on the block here at this meeting". NATO members agreed last year to boost their military spending. He's really rather obvious and pathetic to most observers - while his cult will eat it up.

David R. Amos

@Kate Ferguson Methinks you will be disgusted by the fact I agree the statement above N'esy Pas?

 
Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad)

Since the US gets much of its oil from Canada, does that make the US captive of Canada?

David R. Amos

@Kevin Graves (AKA Jaspersdad) Methinks you must be joking about the US getting much of its oil from Canada N'esy Pas?

 
Neil Austen

Just hope Canadians are smart enough to see Trump for the disgrace that he is and know that Canada would never survive another Trump-Harper style government in power.

David R. Amos

@Neil Austen Methinks you are loyal liberal through thick and thin N'esy Pas?

 
Kate Ferguson

"Germany is totally controlled by Russia because they will be getting from 60% to 70% of their energy from Russia and a new pipeline" Trump

Wrong as usual. Germany relies on Russia for most of its imports of natural gas. But gas makes up less than 20% of Germany's energy mix for power production.

David R. Amos

@Kate Ferguson Methinks by the same token Russia relies on Germany to import its natural gas. Thats the nature of free trade that Trump's bankster backers do not want his mindless fan base to understand N'esy Pas?

 
Marc Belanger

The advantage of being accused by DT of something is that it right away invalidates it.

David R. Amos

@Marc Belanger YUP

 
Kimmy Smith

Ah yes, another gift to Putin. Trump is a Russian asset, no doubt about it.

Michael Murphy

@Patrick Smyth Under US law, any person born to an American parent is American

Under that same logic, Trump is indeed German

David R. Amos

@Kimmy Smith I disagree

David R. Amos

@Michael Murphy Methinks even you know your logic is flawed N'esy Pas?

 
Francis Lee

Please Mr. Mueller - hurry up and get this disgrace of a POTUS impeached . . .

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David R. Amos

@Francis Lee Methinks much to your chagrin it is Mr Mueller who should be questioned by Congress or his questionable actions N'esy Pas?

 
William Perry

Vladimir does not like NATO. To him it is a constant threat. Donald, when he says that NATO is obsolete is pleasing Vladimir to no end. The word that comes to my mind is t---tor.

David R. Amos

@William Perry NATO is obsolete

Thomas Magnum

signed by Trump: from Russia with love...

David R. Amos

@Thomas Magnum NOPE

Ken MacDonald

Now that''s the kettle calling the pot black. Leave it to Trump, what a joke.

David R. Amos

@Ken MacDonald Welcome to the circus

Trump says NATO allies like Canada are 'delinquent' on military spending. Is he wrong?

'We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing,' President Trump says

John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 6:10 PM ET

U.S. President Donald Trump checks his watch prior to a dinner with leaders at the NATO summit in Brussels. Trump says NATO allies need to spend more on defence. (Geert Vanden Wijngaert/AP Photo)



U.S. President Donald Trump ramped up his rhetoric on defence spending Wednesday, urging NATO countries to meet lofty spending targets immediately or risk being branded as "delinquent."

At the core of his criticism of the multilateral alliance is the argument that the U.S. foots the bill for far too much of the alliance's defence capacity, and other member nations — including Canada — are "freeloaders" for failing to contribute their fair share of domestic military spending.

"We're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing," Trump said at a recent rally.

"Frankly, many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back, where they're delinquent, as far as I'm concerned, because the United States has had to pay for them."

Trump previously has told allies that if they don't meet higher spending targets, they should leave the alliance and go it alone on military matters.

The president's pointed language might be off-putting for some Canadian observers — but is he right to call Canada a parsimonious defence partner?

"Yes, I think Trump has a point in that defence expenditure is a burden predominately carried by the U.S. The U.S. carries the load," Colin Robertson, a former top diplomat and the vice-president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, said in an interview with CBC News.

"We've got to do more. We can't expect the American public to pay all the costs of this alliance."

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NATO is the central pillar of Euro-Atlantic defence and the cornerstone of Canadian defence and security policy — which is why Canada should contribute more, Robertson said.

"But Trump puts people off. Nobody likes a bully. When a bully tells you to do something, you usually tell him to f-off. It makes it hard for Trudeau to do something because a certain group of Canadians will be saying, 'Oh you're just kowtowing to Trump,'" he added.

"Canadian prime ministers have always been careful to keep a distance from their American counterparts ... but the bottom line is you do have to look at dollars because dollars do talk."

He said Canada should spend more on defence not merely to please Trump — who will just "take, take, take" — but also to serve our own national interests by increasing troop levels, replacing aging equipment, protecting Canadian sovereignty in the Arctic and taking part in humanitarian missions abroad.

Obama and Trump on the same page

European — and Canadian — military budgets have increased over the last two years, something Trump prodded NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg to give him credit for on Wednesday.

But NATO spending is an old obsession of American presidents. Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama, also chastised "free riders" for failing to spend a long-held target of two per cent of their national gross domestic products on the military.

Obama suggested the United Kingdom's reluctance to increase its defence spending could threaten its "special relationship" with the United States.

Obama even called out Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on the issue when he addressed Parliament in June 2016. "The world needs more Canada. NATO needs more Canada. We need you."

Obama: 'The world needs more Canada'

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Obama: 'The world needs more Canada' 1:21

U.S. leaders have long looked with envy at the relatively low defence spending levels of other NATO countries as the Pentagon's budget continues to swell.

Canada signed on to an agreement to move "toward" the two per cent spending target at the 2014 NATO summit in Wales — a commitment that would cost Canadian taxpayers billions of dollars — to satisfy U.S. and NATO demands.

Canada's current spending comes in at just over one per cent of GDP — roughly $20 billion a year — a figure that many argue is simply too low to sustain a modern fighting force.

Others say quality is just as important as quantity. Trudeau has said that the two per cent benchmark doesn't adequately address the totality of a country's commitment to the alliance.

"I think the two per cent metric is an easy shorthand ... it is a very specific and, to a certain extent, limited tool,'' Trudeau said Tuesday after meeting with Canadian soldiers taking part in a NATO mission in Latvia.

Liberal B.C. MP Stephen Fuhr is the chair of the House of Commons defence committee, which recently completed a study of Canada's relationship with NATO. He said Canada shouldn't ignore the "aspirational" two per cent target entirely, but there are other ways to assess its contribution.

Liberal B.C. MP Stephen Fuhr, the chair of the Commons defence committee, says a singular focus on the 2 per cent of GDP figure doesn't give the whole picture of Canada's commitment to NATO. (Stephen Fuhr/Facebook)

"I understand the need to have a number there, you need to put a stake in the sand somewhere, but it doesn't tell the whole picture. There are better ways to assess who is actually contributing," the former fighter pilot said in an interview with CBC News on Wednesday.

"Greece maybe spends more than us, but does Greece show up every time? Is Greece investing in the capabilities that NATO actually needs? That matters."

(Almost three quarters of Greece's budget goes to paying salaries and pensions. In a country where unemployment is rampant, a career in the Greek military is highly sought-after. The Mediterranean country fails to meet other NATO spending targets for major equipment purchases, for example.)

"Every time there is a NATO mission, Canada looks at it and decides whether it's in the national interest to participate, and we have every time," Fuhr added.

"It's all about capability. The bigger question is, is Canada delivering? And I think the answer to that question is yes, including in Latvia, big time. Our history has shown that you can count on Canada to show up and pull its weight most of the time. The two per cent is just one of the ways you can look at it."

(CBC)

Fuhr noted that the government's defence strategy — a policy called Strong, Secure, Engaged, which was unveiled last year — includes a commitment to spend $47 billion in new money over 20 years, which will move Canada marginally higher up the list to about 1.45 per cent of GDP.

"That's a lot of money to put into the military. We're moving in the right direction," he said.
Robertson said he has sympathy for the government's argument.

While Canada spends less than some, it has the best equipment interoperability in the alliance — meaning it's a reliable partner for the U.S. on missions abroad, he said.

Politics News

P&P: Does Trump have a point on NATO defence spending?

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U.S. President Donald Trump railed against #NATO allies today, demanding they increase defence spending "immediately." Does he have a point? Vassy Kapelos explains. 1:40

Only six of the 29 nations in the alliance can fully integrate with the U.S. in the air, on land, at sea and with the special forces.

A recent report from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a leading Washington-based think tank, also sought to challenge the tunnel-vision focus on the two per cent target. The report, Counting Dollars or Measuring Value, suggested putting a greater emphasis on resources specifically "employed in the service of allied security" would be more useful.

"The almost singular focus on meeting the NATO pledge of spending 2 per cent of GDP on defence obscures many of the true challenges to growing national and collective capability and to strengthened transatlantic security," the report reads.

Based on the think-tank's own assessment, Canada ranks fourth overall in NATO in terms of total commitment when you include troop levels on deployments to NATO missions, aid to support security operations abroad and the willingness of NATO members to accept refugees from conflict zones, among other benchmarks.

Conflating military spending with NATO commitments

Robertson said Trump also has conflated two issues central to the NATO spending debate. First, he said, the president's claim that the U.S. is "spending far more on NATO" than its allies is misleading.

Politics News

P&P: Does Trump deserve credit for the increase in defence spending by NATO allies?

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Former U.S. Amb. to NATO Ivo Daalder and former Canadian Amb. to NATO Yves Brodeur weigh in on whether Donald Trump's relentless attack on NATO allies over defence spending has been effective. 1:31

A country's total military spending includes its NATO responsibilities and everything else its military does, he said. According to the recent Commons report, Canada currently provides about 6.6 per cent of NATO's common-funded budgets, making it the sixth-largest financial contributor to that budget among the member states.

That's not to mention the 435 Canadian civilian and military personnel currently working in the NATO bureaucracy, a number that does not include personnel deployed to NATO operations or staff working within various NATO support agencies.

Several Canadians are also serving in high-ranking leadership positions within NATO, including Lt.-Gen. Christine Whitecross, the commandant of the NATO Defense College in Rome, and Lt.-Gen. Christian Juneau, who is the deputy commander of the Joint Forces Command in Naples.

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Trump suggests NATO allies could double defence spending beyond 2014 pledge

U.S. leader kicks off 2-day summit by accusing Germany of being a 'captive of Russia' over energy deal

The Associated Press · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 3:13 AM ET

Combative Trump accuses Germany of pandering to Russia for energy

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'Germany is a captive of Russia,' says U.S. president at start of NATO meetings 3:21


U.S. President Donald Trump barrelled into a NATO summit Wednesday with claims that a natural gas pipeline deal has left Germany "totally controlled" and "captive to Russia" as he lobbed fresh complaints about allies' "delinquent" defence spending during the opening of what was expected to be a fraught two-day meeting.

Trump also suggested that NATO allies commit to spending four per cent of their gross domestic product on defence — double the current goal of two per cent by 2024.

The president, in a testy exchange with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that kicked off his visit, took issue with the U.S. protecting Germany as it strikes deals with Russia.

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"I have to say, I think it's very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia where we're supposed to be guarding against Russia," Trump said at a breakfast with Stoltenberg. "We're supposed to protect you against Russia but they're paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that's very inappropriate."

Trump repeatedly described Germany as "captive to Russia" because of the energy deal and urged NATO to look into the issue.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel pushed back firmly, insisting that Germany makes its own decisions and drawing on her own background growing up in communist East Germany behind the Iron Curtain.

Donald Trump, right, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel met in Brussels after the U.S. leader publicly lambasted his country's longtime ally over its spending on national defence and a Russian oil pipeline. (Markus Schreiber/Associated Press)

"I've experienced myself a part of Germany controlled by the Soviet Union and I'm very happy today that we are united in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany and can thus say that we can determine our own policies and make our own decisions and that's very good," she said.

The president appeared to be referring to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that would bring gas from Russia to Germany's northeastern Baltic coast, bypassing Eastern European nations like Poland and Ukraine and doubling the amount of gas Russia can send directly to Germany. The vast undersea pipeline is opposed by the U.S. and some other EU members, who warn it could give Moscow greater leverage over Western Europe. It's expected to be online at the end of 2019.

• PM says there is no plan to double defence budget

Environmental-conscious Germany is trying to reduce its reliance on coal and is phasing out nuclear power by 2022, so it hopes to use natural gas to partially fill the gap until the country's electricity grid can cope with fluctuating levels provided by renewable energy. The alternatives, including U.S. supplies, are more expensive.

In their back-and-forth, Stoltenberg stressed to Trump that NATO members have been able to work together despite their differences. "I think that two world wars and the Cold War taught us that we are stronger together than apart," he told the president, trying to calm tensions.

'They will spend more'

Trump's dramatic exchange with Stoltenberg set the tone for what was already expected to be a tense day of meetings with leaders of the military alliance as Trump presses jittery NATO allies about their military spending ahead of his meeting next week with Putin.

"The United States is paying far too much and other countries are not paying enough, especially some. So we're going to have a meeting on that," Trump said, describing the situation as "disproportionate and not fair to the taxpayers of the United States."

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, left, talks to U.S. President Donald Trump as British Prime Minister Theresa May, right watches at the opening ceremony of the NATO summit at NATO headquarters in Brussels. (Sean Gallup/Getty Images)

"They will spend more," he later predicted. "I have great confidence they'll be spending more."
And with that, he went on to push allies at the summit to double their commitment on defence spending.
 
"During the president's remarks today at the NATO summit, he suggested that countries not only meet their commitment of two per cent of their GDP on defence spending, but that they increase it to four per cent," said White House spokesperson Sarah Sanders.

She said the president raised the same issue at NATO last year and that, "Trump wants to see our allies share more of the burden and at a very minimum meet their already stated obligations."

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However, a formal summit declaration issued by the NATO leaders Wednesday reaffirmed their "unwavering commitment" to the two per cent pledge set in 2014 and made no reference to any effort to get to four per cent.

Trump's pipeline criticism was an unusual line of attack for a president who has proclaimed himself eager to improve relations with Russia's Vladimir Putin and dismissed the U.S. intelligence community's assessment that Russia tried to undermine Western democracy by meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to help Trump win. Trump has long argued that improving relations with Russia would be good for both nations.

Mixed reaction in U.S. 

Back in the U.S., Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer issued a joint statement describing Trump's "brazen insults and denigration of one of America's most steadfast allies, Germany," as "an embarrassment."

"His behaviour this morning is another profoundly disturbing signal that the president is more loyal to President Putin than to our NATO allies," they wrote.

Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch also took issue with Trump, saying "I don't agree with that. Germans wouldn't agree with that. They are a very strong people."

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But Sen. Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas and a strong supporter of the president, said the pipeline issue strikes at the "heart of NATO unity."

"The pipeline gets cheap Russian gas to Germany while bypassing smaller Eastern European nations, allowing Russia to pressure them while Germany is held harmless," he tweeted, adding: "No amount of preening in Berlin will cover this nakedly selfish policy."

Despite Trump's claims about Germany, Merkel served as a forceful advocate for imposing — and maintaining — sanctions on Russia after it annexed Crimea in 2014, arguing that it violated the principles of the international order established after the Second World War.

The president is also not the first leader to point to the impact of Nord Stream 2 on Europe, echoing complaints from Eastern European allies who note it would cut out transit countries such as Poland and Ukraine.

U.S. President Donald Trump is greeted by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg before a bilateral breakfast ahead of the NATO Summit in Brussels. Trump took issue with the U.S. protecting Germany when the European nation is making deals with Russia. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)

Trump and Merkel met later Wednesday on the sidelines of the summit and kept their remarks polite during a photo opportunity with the press.

Trump told reporters the two had a "very, very good relationship" and congratulated Merkel on her "tremendous success." Asked if they had discussed the pipeline, he said they had, but declined to elaborate.

Merkel, for her part, called the two nations "good partners" and said "we wish to continue to co-operate in the future."

Trump then met with French President Emmanuel Macron, who said he disagreed with Trump's pipeline assessment. But the two appeared on good terms, with Trump joking about the fact that Macron had been asked about it.

Trump has long pushed NATO members to meet their agreed-to target of two per cent by 2024 and has accused those who don't of freeloading off the U.S.

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What good is NATO if Germany is paying Russia billions of dollars for gas and energy? Why are there only 5 out of 29 countries that have met their commitment? The U.S. is paying for Europe’s protection, then loses billions on Trade. Must pay 2% of GDP IMMEDIATELY, not by 2025.

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NATO estimates that 15 members, or just over half, will meet the benchmark by 2024 based on current trends.

Brussels is the first leg of a weeklong European tour that will include stops in London and Scotland, as well as a highly anticipated meeting next week with Putin.

Trudeau and Trump talk trade on NATO sidelines

Relations between Canada and the U.S. tense amid tariff war

Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: Jul 11, 2018 4:00 AM ET

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, middle, Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan, left, and Minister of Foreign Affairs Chrystia Freeland take part in North Atlantic Council Working Session at the NATO Summit in Brussels, Belgium on Wednesday, July 11, 2018. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and U.S. President Donald Trump met face-to-face today for the first time today since the disastrous G7 summit in Charlevoix, Que., last month.

Both leaders are in Brussels this week for North Atlantic Treaty Organization meetings.
The Prime Minister's Office said Trump and Trudeau "had a conversation on the margins of the meetings today about trade, including NAFTA."

There are no other deliberate, structured bilateral meetings planned between the two leaders.
"I look forward to having words with President Trump, having a conversation with him, as I always do," the prime minister told reporters Tuesday following a whirlwind visit to Latvia, where Canada has 455 troops deployed as part of NATO's Operation Reassurance.

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Relations between Canada and the U.S. were dropped into a deep freeze following the imposition of steel and aluminum tariffs by the Trump administration — an action that triggered swift, sweeping countermeasures from the Liberal government.

Trump took Twitter swipes at Canada following the G7 summit — mostly over Canadian dairy policy — but reserved his most persistent and personal attacks for Trudeau himself, calling him "dishonest" and "weak" for telling the closing G7 news conference that Canada would not be "pushed around" on trade.

White House officials piled on, characterizing the prime minister as a back-stabber. Trump's trade adviser Peter Navarro went as far as telling a U.S. talk show that there was "a special place in hell" for Trudeau, though he later walked back the remark.

The latest defence spending figures as a percentage of a country's gross domestic product (GDP), a measure used to determine the size of a country's economy. (CBC News)

Going into the NATO summit, Trudeau tried to present the appearance of business-as-usual for the alliance and insisted the lines of communication with Washington remain open.

"I speak with [Trump] fairly regularly and I look forward to seeing him again," he said.
There's a big target, however, painted on Trudeau's back.

On his way to the summit, Trump fired off another Twitter volley: "Many countries in NATO, which we are expected to defend, are not only short of their current commitment of two per cent (which is low), but are also delinquent for many years in payments that have not been made. Will they reimburse the U.S.?"

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NATO doesn't work that way, of course. Members don't pay dues, although they do contribute to common military and civilian programs — and Washington pays almost one-quarter of those costs.
The formula is based on national income; no NATO ally is in arrears.

Trump does want NATO members to "pay up" and meet the two per cent benchmark the alliance has set as a defence spending target.

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a bilateral breakfast at the NATO summit in Brussels, Belgium on Wednesday. (Pablo Martinez Monsivais/Associated Press)

Trudeau said Canada will not double its defence budget to get to that mark.

"It's an important metric, among others, to gauge how countries are doing in term of contributors to NATO," the prime minister said. "But ultimately the more important metrics are always … countries stepping up consistently with capacities that NATO needs."

And while in Brussels Wednesday, Trudeau announced that Canada will assume command of a new NATO training mission in Iraq that will include the deployment of up to 250 Canadian Armed Forces personnel for one year.

The troops will be deployed to Baghdad and the surrounding area, along with up to four Griffon helicopters to support NATO activities.

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Murray Brewster

Defence and security

Murray Brewster is senior defence writer for CBC News, based in Ottawa. He has covered the Canadian military and foreign policy from Parliament Hill for over a decade. Among other assignments, he spent a total of 15 months on the ground covering the Afghan war for The Canadian Press. Prior to that, he covered defence issues and politics for CP in Nova Scotia for 11 years and was bureau chief for Standard Broadcast News in Ottawa.

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