David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks all supporters of SANB and "Canada"s Natural Governing Party" truly believe that they are entitled to their entitlements N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/cannabis-liquor-stores-best-kept-out-of.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-liqour-cannabis-crown-corporation-1.5037310
Cannabis, liquor stores best kept out of private sector, say Liberals, Greens
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Travis Thériault
Let's be real here; the only
reason Kris Austin and the PANB care about and want ANBL privatized is
because their party and their supporters get triggered every time
they're greeted with "Hello/Bonjour".
Arnold Stone
who privatized health care,
who tried to sell NB Power to Quebec, how about ambulance NB, the list
goes on and on, who else but the Liberals, I am not saying it is the
right thing to do but the Liberals complaining, about it, it is like a
pig rolling in :::: and complaining about the smell.
David Amos
@Arnold Stone All the political parties are in on the wicked game
Shawn McShane
Every province is in debt.
When any provincial crown corporation makes profits the government du
jour raids those revenues to balance their budget. Then they raise the
rates and they get raided again. When the debt at the crown corp gets
big enough to cause public outrage due to rate increases they wash their
hands of it and sell it then those governent du jours get a cush job at
the privatized corporation. Keep your eye on NB Power...and the CEO.
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Ask yourself why the EUB just barred me from another rate increase hearing
Jason Inness
Why is it so many people are
against this idea? It is not the job of government to take our tax
dollars and give large wages and benefits to some citizens. The job of
government is to provide SERVICES with our tax dollars. Any wonder we
are in such a mess. People think that the answer to everything in this
province is more government, more tax, more granny state telling us what
to do.
The most ironic part is... government does NOTHING well. It is barely functional. We get better service at WalMart than the government.
The most ironic part is... government does NOTHING well. It is barely functional. We get better service at WalMart than the government.
David Amos
@Jason Inness Why not run for
public office like I do? At least you can get to embarrass them now an
then Maybe someday enough folks will quit voting for the crooks..
David Amos
The political parties and
their media buddies did not have enough sand to talk to me during six
elections thus far Hence whatever they say in the media between
elections should be irrelevant to me except I cannot ignore humourous
entertainment factor That why I often say Welcome to the Circus
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ...thank You Sir...."my kind" never feel welcomed...
David Amos
@Seamus O'hern Enjoy the show Pass the popcorn and I will share my peanuts
David Amos
@David Amos FYI I you wish a good chuckle Google 3 words
Fundy Royal Debate
Fundy Royal Debate
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ...I have in the
past, thank you. I live in two Canadian provinces at the best of
time...but the "Arkansas of Canada"(NB) has learned well how to
manipulate NBer's, just like their neighbour does to CANADIANS.... me
thinks.
David Amos
@Seamus O'hern Methinks that I am living proof that the FBI and the RCMP/GRC know that not all of us are easily manipulated
If you were to Google David Amos Sussex RCMP then David Amos Wiretap I am certain that you will enjoy the Circus some more N'esy Pas?
If you were to Google David Amos Sussex RCMP then David Amos Wiretap I am certain that you will enjoy the Circus some more N'esy Pas?
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ...will do...thank you
William Reed
This sort of despicable
attitude that wants to treat everything that is collectively owned as
something that should be in the hands of select private citizens is the
cause of our greatest societal problems. You end up with monopolies and
billionaires when the private sector seizes the profits. With the
proceeds they then buy up government by funding parties they shape
ideologically that further the rot. For crying out loud, deny the
richest more revenue streams before they are owners of absolutely
everything. It's already getting there when a fraction of a percent of
the population has more than 70% of us. They won't want to pay tax on
any profit they make, and you' ll not be able to afford to prosecute
them.
David Amos
@William Reed "They won't want to pay tax on any profit they make, and you' ll not be able to afford to prosecute them"
Nay not so
Nay not so
David Peters
@William Reed
Ban monopolies and break up the ones that exist. Then let free market competition handle it.
Changing from one form of monopoly to another only helps a select few.
Ban monopolies and break up the ones that exist. Then let free market competition handle it.
Changing from one form of monopoly to another only helps a select few.
David Stairs
isn't it funny how we
continue to keep our heads in the sand..let's not move forward like all
other provinces..let's just keep going in the hole for
spite...wow....the Liberals have already proven that they cannot run
this province anywhere, except into debt...it's time for a new
approach...and oh yea..let's start being democratic and let the majority
have control...no more special interest B.S.
William Reed
@David Stairs
Alward ran this government into debt to the tune of an 800 million dollar deficit with Higgs as his minister of finance. The Liberals pared it down to what, 160 million? This is the same old exact tactic that the right does in the US--attack the other side for what it does and never stop repeating it. It should be noted that much of the debt incurred during the Cons years went to tax breaks to special interest. No effort was made to address revenues. It took the Liberals to come in and address that with what is the least attractive of all options when special interests are getting tax breaks. We had to all pay more sales tax to make that up.
Alward ran this government into debt to the tune of an 800 million dollar deficit with Higgs as his minister of finance. The Liberals pared it down to what, 160 million? This is the same old exact tactic that the right does in the US--attack the other side for what it does and never stop repeating it. It should be noted that much of the debt incurred during the Cons years went to tax breaks to special interest. No effort was made to address revenues. It took the Liberals to come in and address that with what is the least attractive of all options when special interests are getting tax breaks. We had to all pay more sales tax to make that up.
David Amos
@David Stairs "no more special interest B.S"
Good luck with that
Good luck with that
Seamus O'hern
@William Reed ....and what flavour kool-aid is your favourite.??..lol
Rosco holt
@Seamus O'hern
Let me guess yours?
Blue....
Let me guess yours?
Blue....
James Reed
@William Reed
Are you serious - Graham a liberal, inherited a government that had run a surplus for 5 of the 7 years in office and had paid down the debt or debt was smaller than when they took office - Graham ran 750 and 800 million dollars deficits his last two years in office... Alward trimmed that down 250 million dollars his first year but couldn't eliminate the deficit... he was back up to 500 million by the end of his term, which is still 300 million less than the previous Liberal government. Part of the problem was the structural deficit created by Graham... the civil service jumped from 46,700 to 48,700 a 2000 employee increase in just two years.
Are you serious - Graham a liberal, inherited a government that had run a surplus for 5 of the 7 years in office and had paid down the debt or debt was smaller than when they took office - Graham ran 750 and 800 million dollars deficits his last two years in office... Alward trimmed that down 250 million dollars his first year but couldn't eliminate the deficit... he was back up to 500 million by the end of his term, which is still 300 million less than the previous Liberal government. Part of the problem was the structural deficit created by Graham... the civil service jumped from 46,700 to 48,700 a 2000 employee increase in just two years.
Seamus O'hern
@Rosco holt
....nope....Shamrock Green....meaning, I go with what may be the best at
the given time and you know that's not easy, because of the given
options usually....I never win.
Bob Smith
Perhaps the Green Party
should announce that they are merging with the Liberal party to speak on
environmental issues mostly. The Greens don't seem to function well
either provincially or federally without the Liberals helping or
instructing them.
William Reed
@Bob Smith
Save your complaining for when we have Green governments. It won't happen soon enough. If the Liberals are paying attention they will move to be the Greens of the future by another name. The Green party is a party pd social responsibility that couldn't care less about what individualists see as best for them.
Save your complaining for when we have Green governments. It won't happen soon enough. If the Liberals are paying attention they will move to be the Greens of the future by another name. The Green party is a party pd social responsibility that couldn't care less about what individualists see as best for them.
David Amos
@William Reed Dream on
Arnold Stone
@William Reed the green's
want to control how much we drive, by raising taxes on gas, what we eat
by adding 20 cents per liter on sugared beverages, so after that what
is next, anything they think is not good for us,
Lou Bell
Liberals , more gov't jobs, more higher paying jobs to their SANB base.
David Amos
@Lou Bell YUP
Seamus O'hern
@Lou Bell ...absolutely....truthyness hurts ...
Pierre Cyr
Funny that Chris Austin wants
to see hundreds of good paying jobs become minimum wage no benefit and
thus taxpayer subsidized jobs for the private for profit sector when he
complained his wife was starving at 13$ an hour in homecare and that
homecare workers needed a good raise. That was on Terry Seguin's radio
show last year. Lets hope his wife decides to get into retail work.
Dave Peters
@Pierre Cyr Wow, personal
attack on the Austin family, attack the private sector mom & pop
shops. Did you leave anyone out. :(
Jef Cronkhite
@Pierre Cyr So, you would
rather see unskilled people overpaid at our expense, rather than
allowing small business people to make a bit of profit? No one handing
out booze DESERVES to make over $20/hour as a base wage!! Some good
servers may average that much, with tips factored in, but those people
have to work VERY hard. How hard do NB Liquor employees have to work?
Let me guess, you're in a union job, aren't you?? I can practically SMELL the entitlement......
Let me guess, you're in a union job, aren't you?? I can practically SMELL the entitlement......
Rosco holt
@Jef Cronkhite
You prefer paying more in taxes, have services cut, so you friends in the private sector can fleece NBers.
You prefer paying more in taxes, have services cut, so you friends in the private sector can fleece NBers.
Lou Bell
@Jef Cronkhite Pete, Marc , and Maggie , the smell of entitlement from all 3.
Colin Seeley
@Lou Bell
Comment of the day.
Comment of the day.
Marc Martin
@Pierre Cyr
Exactly well said, but what do you expect with someone who has no experience in any finance department.
Exactly well said, but what do you expect with someone who has no experience in any finance department.
Marc Martin
@Dave Peters
Maybe it is but its actually true.
Maybe it is but its actually true.
Marc Martin
@Jef Cronkhite
*you would rather see unskilled people overpaid at our expense*
The salary they are paid is going back into the economy unlike if it was private with the minimum salary.
*rather than allowing small business people to make a bit of profit?*
NB Liquor made a total profit of 150 $$ last year after all expenses and that's not even counting the taxe revenue...Are you saying the small business owners will re-invest 150 million in our economy ?
*you would rather see unskilled people overpaid at our expense*
The salary they are paid is going back into the economy unlike if it was private with the minimum salary.
*rather than allowing small business people to make a bit of profit?*
NB Liquor made a total profit of 150 $$ last year after all expenses and that's not even counting the taxe revenue...Are you saying the small business owners will re-invest 150 million in our economy ?
Marc Martin
@Rosco holt
Exactly
Exactly
David Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks all
supporters of SANB and "Canada"s Natural Governing Party" truly believe
that they are entitled to their entitlements N'esy Pas?
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin ...class act as usual
Seamus O'hern
@Colin Seeley ....indeed
Marc Martin
The government will never sell it only profitable crown corporation to satiny a few alcoholics in NB.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks everybody knows they won't do it because of your Union N'esy Pas?
Rosco holt
@Marc Martin
It's the reason why government will sell.
It's the reason why government will sell.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
You seem to have a problem with unions Davis, maybe you should have gotten an education like I did ?
You seem to have a problem with unions Davis, maybe you should have gotten an education like I did ?
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin ...you certainly don't carry yourself as "educated"...edgemacated maybe....
Mario Doucet
Cannabis NB will never turn a profit.
@Mario Doucet
Agreed. Too much overhead. Too much staff and too many stores for the market.
There are 20 stores.
Close 10 .
Agreed. Too much overhead. Too much staff and too many stores for the market.
There are 20 stores.
Close 10 .
David Amos
@Mario Doucet How can they not?
Mario Doucet
SANB has spoken, got to keep those civil service jobs no matter what even if the government is losing money.
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet
The problem is they are not losing money at al, NB Liquor total profit after all expenses 150 million and that's not even taking into account the taxe they got on top of this.
The problem is they are not losing money at al, NB Liquor total profit after all expenses 150 million and that's not even taking into account the taxe they got on top of this.
Dave Peters
@Marc Martin Why is it that
money is better in the hands of government than the private sector. Do
you always bite the hand that feeds you.
Rosco holt
@Dave Peters
Because it's money that you'll know will stay in the province and it helps to pay for services such has healthcare and education.
Because it's money that you'll know will stay in the province and it helps to pay for services such has healthcare and education.
Marc Martin
@Dave Peters
That 150 million is going to several provincial department including health and education , are you saying that the small business industry will be investing that money into our economy instead of buying bigger cars and houses ?? We know where your kind stands..
*Do you always bite the hand that feeds you.*
By the way none of them feed me, I have work hard all my life over 30 years by the way.
That 150 million is going to several provincial department including health and education , are you saying that the small business industry will be investing that money into our economy instead of buying bigger cars and houses ?? We know where your kind stands..
*Do you always bite the hand that feeds you.*
By the way none of them feed me, I have work hard all my life over 30 years by the way.
James Reed
@Marc Martin
the gross profit on sales is about 420 million, the actual product only costs 190 million, so government's mark up is about 230 million on the product. They have other sales and revenue in there so they give about 170 million back to the province. Their administrative costs are actually about 70 million. That's where the argument for privatization comes in - it would not cost the private sector 70 million to run these stores... the cost of the front line staff, although the greatest expense is only 21 million - and that's at a starting salary of $19.40. The argument is that there may be a more efficient way than to run this sector. Under the current model there is no incentive to innovate - in Alberta they saw thousands of new products being brought in mostly in wine a specialty spirits which have a much higher profit margin. In Alberta every private vendor buys their product from the government, which is still marked up.
the gross profit on sales is about 420 million, the actual product only costs 190 million, so government's mark up is about 230 million on the product. They have other sales and revenue in there so they give about 170 million back to the province. Their administrative costs are actually about 70 million. That's where the argument for privatization comes in - it would not cost the private sector 70 million to run these stores... the cost of the front line staff, although the greatest expense is only 21 million - and that's at a starting salary of $19.40. The argument is that there may be a more efficient way than to run this sector. Under the current model there is no incentive to innovate - in Alberta they saw thousands of new products being brought in mostly in wine a specialty spirits which have a much higher profit margin. In Alberta every private vendor buys their product from the government, which is still marked up.
David Amos
@Mario Doucet "SANB has spoken"
Don't they always?
Don't they always?
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin ....bahahaha....
Rosco holt
@James Reed
So you want to sacrifice 170 mil because of what the employees gets paid?
The province will get allot less from the private sector.
Guess where the government will get the money that they're missing?
So you want to sacrifice 170 mil because of what the employees gets paid?
The province will get allot less from the private sector.
Guess where the government will get the money that they're missing?
Nicolas Krinis
@Rosco holt Both pretty much
in disarray. Have you seen the scores of our kids compared to others
across Canada? As for healthcare Soviet style, our outcomes are getting
worse every year.
Nicolas Krinis
@Rosco holt NB Power?
Marc Martin
@James Reed
This is all about the greed of a few privateers who wants a piece of the pie, and then the government will have to compensate by taxing us elsewhere, we are not in Alberta by the way we don't have the same population if you have not noticed.
This is all about the greed of a few privateers who wants a piece of the pie, and then the government will have to compensate by taxing us elsewhere, we are not in Alberta by the way we don't have the same population if you have not noticed.
Marguerite Deschamps
Shouldn't the good pastor be against all these vices, period?
Rosco holt
@Marguerite Deschamps
He is a failed pastor.
He is a failed pastor.
Dan Lee
@Rosco holt
A wanna be............
A wanna be............
Lou Bell
@Marguerite Deschamps So you want to mix government and religion !!
Marc Martin
@Lou Bell
Who rang your bell ?
Who rang your bell ?
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps
Methinks even you must admit that you have not met a pastor or a
politician who did not love money and Austin is both N'esy Pas?
Dan Lee
@David Amos
Austin loved the collection plate
Austin loved the collection plate
Seamus O'hern
@Dan Lee ...so he does have something in common with the sanb....
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin ....Your Kind....
Marc Martin
@Seamus O'hern
My kind is the best around, there should be more of me in NB and less of you.
My kind is the best around, there should be more of me in NB and less of you.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "My kind is the best around, there should be more of me in NB and less of you"
Hmmmm
Hmmmm
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ....says a lot.
Jarrod Yeo
As a consumer, privatization
sounds great - competition generally drives innovation, better value,
etc. As it stands I find prices to be more nauseating than the booze
itself.
But on the other hand, the greater availability of alcohol (and other controlled substances, probably) is causally associated with increased consumption. Violence, drunk driving, domestic abuse and a laundry list of health problems are just some of the things that happen when we increase the number of outlets where alcohol is sold with longer hours of sale and an enhanced strong profit driven interest in the alcohol market.
There's balance in nature.
But on the other hand, the greater availability of alcohol (and other controlled substances, probably) is causally associated with increased consumption. Violence, drunk driving, domestic abuse and a laundry list of health problems are just some of the things that happen when we increase the number of outlets where alcohol is sold with longer hours of sale and an enhanced strong profit driven interest in the alcohol market.
There's balance in nature.
Barb Scott
@Jarrod Yeo how would you
feel if the privatization had restricted hours? maybe booze and drug
purchases only between 9am and 7pm. still a sensible restriction yet
allowing small business (mom & pop shops) to share a piece of the
pie.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Jarrod Yeo, you can't state this here, it makes too much sense.
Lou Bell
@Jarrod Yeo They're already there , whether you 've noticed or not !
David Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "you can't state this here, it makes too much sense."
Since when did you care about anyone making sense or not?
Since when did you care about anyone making sense or not?
Pierre LaRoches
@Jarrod Yeo Who says there
needs to be more outlets? Who says they have to be open longer? The
government can still regulate all those things when private industry
runs something. Way less hassle, sit back and collect taxes.
Joseph Vacher
"Melanson also said Austin can't compare the two economies, since Alberta is larger and people have more disposable income."
Then why are the taxes and the cost higher in NB then the rest of the country if we are so poor
Then why are the taxes and the cost higher in NB then the rest of the country if we are so poor
Shawn McShane
@Joseph Vacher We are so poor in NB BECAUSE we pay the highest taxes in Canada and have the lowest median income in Canada.
Rosco holt
@Joseph Vacher
"Then why are the taxes and the cost higher in NB then the rest of the country if we are so poor"
NB has the most seniors.
Wages are the lowest, while the cost of living is the same, if not hire in some instances.
Alberta's refineries pay more taxes, while here the refinery pays less tax than the Timmies that's close to it.
More government sweet generous deals to the private sector.
"Then why are the taxes and the cost higher in NB then the rest of the country if we are so poor"
NB has the most seniors.
Wages are the lowest, while the cost of living is the same, if not hire in some instances.
Alberta's refineries pay more taxes, while here the refinery pays less tax than the Timmies that's close to it.
More government sweet generous deals to the private sector.
David Amos
@Joseph Vacher "Then why are the taxes and the cost higher in NB then the rest of the country if we are so poor"
Good question Can you understand what the crickets are trying to tell us?
Good question Can you understand what the crickets are trying to tell us?
Joseph Vacher
Dont let the government be your drug dealer
David Amos
@Joseph Vacher Methinks they already are N'esy Pas?
Evan Day
Sell NB Liquor and Cannabis
NB. As for the "good jobs" argument, why should taxpayers pay someone
almost double the going rate (i.e. 2 x minimum wage) to work what is
basically a retail job? I'd rather the government direct my tax dollars
into providing decent health care than paying someone $20 an hour to
ring in my beer. As for the profits, there's no reason the government
can't continue to collect tax on both products. It can also continue to
regulate them to the same level they are now. Allowing ordinary
retailers to sell cigarettes seems to work just fine, and they're
arguably regulated more strongly than either alcohol or pot.
Marc Martin
@Evan Day
*As for the "good jobs" argument, why should taxpayers pay someone almost double the going rate*
Because last year after all expenses including these good paying jobs the government made a profit of 150 million and that is not counting taxes.
Beer is not a necessity but a privilege.
*As for the "good jobs" argument, why should taxpayers pay someone almost double the going rate*
Because last year after all expenses including these good paying jobs the government made a profit of 150 million and that is not counting taxes.
Beer is not a necessity but a privilege.
David Amos
@Evan Day I wholeheartedly agree
daryl doucette
@Evan Day 20 bucks an hour is
peanuts. And the government takes back half of that in taxes. Let the
poor working stiffs at the liquor stores keep their jobs. Leave them
alone.
Shawn McShane
Are Albertan consumers
better off after privatization? When it comes to prices a bottle of
liquor is now being marked up twice. Albertans are worse off after two
decades of privatization because they are paying higher prices at
private liquor stores and the government is receiving less tax revenue.
(But if you want a liquor store on every corner that pays minimum wage
you can stumble up the street....)
-Liquor privatization: Did Albertans get what was promised? Edmonton Journal
-Liquor privatization: Did Albertans get what was promised? Edmonton Journal
James Reed
@Shawn McShane
I'm not arguing for privatization, I'm not sure that is the way to go - but if you read the methodology used to come up with the conclusion Alberta pay higher prices I think it's a little flawed... actual example, price of a bottle of a certain brand of vodka varies from $18 at the big retailers, loblaws to $28 for the same bottle in a small corner shop - the average price in Alberta is $23... that bottle is $22 on average in the rest of Canada... it ignores the fact many more bottles are purchased for $18 than for $28... and I think that in the study he only used 60 data points whereas immediately after he published that report someone ran the numbers with over 1000 samples and found the opposite to be true. That being said, there would be more stores in the south and people in the north would probably be paying higher process.
I'm not arguing for privatization, I'm not sure that is the way to go - but if you read the methodology used to come up with the conclusion Alberta pay higher prices I think it's a little flawed... actual example, price of a bottle of a certain brand of vodka varies from $18 at the big retailers, loblaws to $28 for the same bottle in a small corner shop - the average price in Alberta is $23... that bottle is $22 on average in the rest of Canada... it ignores the fact many more bottles are purchased for $18 than for $28... and I think that in the study he only used 60 data points whereas immediately after he published that report someone ran the numbers with over 1000 samples and found the opposite to be true. That being said, there would be more stores in the south and people in the north would probably be paying higher process.
David Amos
@James Reed I wish folks cared so much about the price of cigarettes
Shawn McShane
@James Reed There is a big
monopoly of private liquor stores in Alberta. They are the only ones
that offer the cheaper prices because they can afford to buy bulk and
have loss leaders. When the rest go bankrupt the price will go up. The
same thing will happen in NB with Circle K Irving.
Gary MacKay
There is an excellent article in the TJ on this very subject (Feb 26). "Time to put NB Lqr. to pasture" the title says it all.
Tim Locke
@Gary MacKay I don't trust anything Irving says.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Gary MacKay, time to put the purple pastor to pasture, I say.
Rosco holt
@Gary MacKay
You miss the part were taxes would need to be raised to make up the short fall.
You miss the part were taxes would need to be raised to make up the short fall.
David Amos
@Gary MacKay Methinks Norbert Cunningham and the Irving Clan would have it no other way N'esy Pas?
"NB Liquor’s monopoly has long been a sore point for the public. An internal 2012 study – a "strategic review" – of whether privatization is desirable offered only crumbs to ease taxpayer pressure while making moves to protect its own jobs.
The news on Feb. 20, 2012 was that NB Liquor wasn’t privatizing, but was willing to give the private sector a larger role. The corporation argued, without sign of irony, that this would make it more profitable.
The report’s own numbers required considerable pretzel-like logic to reach its obviously foregone conclusion. Public servants seldom suggest their own jobs are unnecessary."
Frank Hood
I once was told: if private
sector WANTS to buy something from public sector = money making machine.
If they don't want a part of a government branch = 0$
So sale is immediate money in pocket of government but long term means we will need to pay more taxes to pay for other services such as hospitals. Funny no one from private sector is asking to buy hospitals or schools , wonder why, yet they are a necessity! let's think long term please!
So sale is immediate money in pocket of government but long term means we will need to pay more taxes to pay for other services such as hospitals. Funny no one from private sector is asking to buy hospitals or schools , wonder why, yet they are a necessity! let's think long term please!
David Amos
@Frank Hood I always do and
look back as well. Methinks the government should oversee booze and dope
but not sell the stuff just like they don't sell cigarettes but tax the
hell out them anyway N'esy Pas?
Fred Brewer
@Frank Hood
Why not wait for the proof of which model puts more money into government coffers? Private or government?
Why not wait for the proof of which model puts more money into government coffers? Private or government?
Joshua Jackson
Thank you CBC for posting the
podcast with the story this week at the same time. I know my comment
last week might have been a little harsh to the person handling the
content. I do hope you take my other recommendations to have a dedicated
space on the CBC NB news page for the political panel, and start
uploading the videos again. Thanks for listening.
David Amos
@Joshua Jackson Why not that them for editing things as well?
Richard Riel
Total control of taxes is at the forefront of this discussion.
David Amos
@Richard Riel Methinks everything political is always about the money N'esy Pas?
Paul Bourgoin
If political influence would
be stopped at the Store door, Friends of Friends stopped at the Store
Door, also an accurate accounting of what comes in the store and what
leaves. The sold goods audits balances with the cash in the register at
the end of the day. I am certain this could be a great source of
revenue for New Brunswick. Also no Political Influence involvement in
the store finances. A daily inventory and a weekly Auditor Inspection.
Marc Martin
@Paul Bourgoin
Corruption is everywhere, do you remember when Harper told the public he would cut 30 000 Federal jobs ? Well all these jobs he cut he had them contracted and paid more for the employees. Now the Federal service is a mess with the phenix fiasco and it will cots us billion.
Corruption is everywhere, do you remember when Harper told the public he would cut 30 000 Federal jobs ? Well all these jobs he cut he had them contracted and paid more for the employees. Now the Federal service is a mess with the phenix fiasco and it will cots us billion.
Paul Bourgoin
@Marc Martin
You can thank Harper for the mess with the Phenix fiasco and for a long time!
You can thank Harper for the mess with the Phenix fiasco and for a long time!
Joseph Vacher
@Paul Bourgoin
the pay system that was designed by the cons, but put in force by the liberals after being advised that it had problems? yea....,
the pay system that was designed by the cons, but put in force by the liberals after being advised that it had problems? yea....,
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
WRONG , they had no choice to roll it out Harper already laid off over 2000 pay advisors across Canada, comment on thing you have knowledge about.
WRONG , they had no choice to roll it out Harper already laid off over 2000 pay advisors across Canada, comment on thing you have knowledge about.
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Corruption is everywhere"
Methinks you should know N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should know N'esy Pas?
James Reed
@Marc Martin
actually Marc, the payroll clerks didn't get laid off until they started to switch to the new system, which took place in Feb 2016 - 4 or 5 months after the election. The first round of jobs cut did happen earlier, 700 payroll positions were transferred from various departments to NB - most people didn't want to move here so 550 new people had to be hired... this compounded the problem, because experience people were being replaced by new hires, but the elimination of the 2,700 payroll clerks happened later once they switched to the new system - which they were told had over 100 deficiencies in January, but they decided to go ahead with the initial roll out any way even after the problems in Feb, in April they then decided to decommission the old systems even though the problems were apparent - the Lib Minister at the time admitted this was a huge mistake.
actually Marc, the payroll clerks didn't get laid off until they started to switch to the new system, which took place in Feb 2016 - 4 or 5 months after the election. The first round of jobs cut did happen earlier, 700 payroll positions were transferred from various departments to NB - most people didn't want to move here so 550 new people had to be hired... this compounded the problem, because experience people were being replaced by new hires, but the elimination of the 2,700 payroll clerks happened later once they switched to the new system - which they were told had over 100 deficiencies in January, but they decided to go ahead with the initial roll out any way even after the problems in Feb, in April they then decided to decommission the old systems even though the problems were apparent - the Lib Minister at the time admitted this was a huge mistake.
Marc Martin
@David Amos
I'm sorry I dont only you do with all your conspiracies.
I'm sorry I dont only you do with all your conspiracies.
Marc Martin
@James Reed
* the payroll clerks didn't get laid off until they started to switch to the new system*
WRONG they went trough the Workforce adjustment years before that, they where notified of this way before 2016.
*most people didn't want to move here so 550 new people *
WRONG the center was suppose to run with less then 300 people, when the troubles started they went across Canada and ask all the Pay advisors if they wanted their job back most said NO, I know this because I know a bunch that works across NB and NC. Next time inform yourself more when it comes to government services.
daryl doucette
I disagree with Mr. Austin on
this one. The folks that work at the liquor stores make a living wage
and good benefits. Leave it be.
Marc Martin
@daryl doucette
We finally agree on something..
We finally agree on something..
Evan Day
@daryl doucette Maybe the
government should take over Walmart too? Maybe all the retail? Certainly
those retail workers deserve a living wage and good benefits just as
much...
Joseph Vacher
@daryl doucette
its a great time to be a bilingual cashier in NB
its a great time to be a bilingual cashier in NB
@Joseph Vacher
All the ones I talk to in Fredericton are English bilingual, they took the time to learn maybe you should too.
All the ones I talk to in Fredericton are English bilingual, they took the time to learn maybe you should too.
David Amos
@daryl doucette I disagree
Check how much money goes into Alberta's tax coffers sourced from
alcohol, gambling and cigarettes without while private companies do most
of the work.
Shawn McShane
Liquor stores were already
there, the mistake was spending millions for stand alone pot stores,
from what I have read NB charges the highest prices for the stuff and
has supply issues.
Nova Scotia on the other hand put the pot in the already existing liquor stores.
Nova Scotia on the other hand put the pot in the already existing liquor stores.
daryl doucette
@Shawn McShane I agree. I wonder who built the cannabis stores, and how much the lease payments are to them?
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
I agree on this, I would have sold it at the liquor store also..
I agree on this, I would have sold it at the liquor store also..
Graeme Scott
@Shawn McShane Separate issue
to privatization but I agree. Building a chain of stand alone stores
for pot was ridiculous. I wonder how much was spent and who got the
money?
Colin Seeley
@Marc Martin
Agreed.
Agreed.
David Amos
@Graeme Scott Exactly
Jeff LeBlanc
Increase in social harms eh?
Prove it. I don't buy that at all. It's not pot smokers breaking into
your car or home or robbing stores looking for that next fix although
Anne Berube would try to convince you otherwise. It is the devil's
lettuce after all.
David Amos
@Jeff LeBlanc True
Richard Dunn
Let's get out of NB Liquor, Cannabis NB, NB Power and ALC.
The revenue from selling these would pay off a tremendous amount of our debt, and would also help to shrink the civil service and the related liability.
I trust that the current government will look closely at all of these options, and make informed decisions. We are a very small province and need to fix our financial situation.
The revenue from selling these would pay off a tremendous amount of our debt, and would also help to shrink the civil service and the related liability.
I trust that the current government will look closely at all of these options, and make informed decisions. We are a very small province and need to fix our financial situation.
David Amos
@Richard Dunn Oh So True
Joseph Pierre De Grandmont
Serious reviews of Government involvement in the private sector clearly show that
1- Government operations are generally ineffective, inefficient and more wasteful and costly.
2- Government operations should be limited to essential public needs like roads, health, etc...
3- Governments have no business competing against the private sector in this democracy.
4- Governments can impose controls by regulations far more effectively than by monopolizing sectors
5- Private enterprises must be responsive to the needs of the public or go bankrupt.
6- Private enterprises produce tax revenues with no up-front costs to the public purse.
1- Government operations are generally ineffective, inefficient and more wasteful and costly.
2- Government operations should be limited to essential public needs like roads, health, etc...
3- Governments have no business competing against the private sector in this democracy.
4- Governments can impose controls by regulations far more effectively than by monopolizing sectors
5- Private enterprises must be responsive to the needs of the public or go bankrupt.
6- Private enterprises produce tax revenues with no up-front costs to the public purse.
Marc Martin
@Joseph Pierre De Grandmont
NB liquor made over 150 million last year after all costs and that's not counting the tax revenue.
NB liquor made over 150 million last year after all costs and that's not counting the tax revenue.
Graeme Scott
@Marc Martin Not a particularly impressive feat when you have a monopoly.
Marc Martin
@Graeme Scott
150 miilons of profit even after they have paid all the good paying jobs associated to NB Liquor..150$ is not good ?? lol..How much would the private generate more ? Giving minimum salary with practically no benefits ?
150 miilons of profit even after they have paid all the good paying jobs associated to NB Liquor..150$ is not good ?? lol..How much would the private generate more ? Giving minimum salary with practically no benefits ?
Joseph Vacher
@Marc Martin revenue....... not profits. REvenue that was shelled back out to the employee's at double their worth
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
NO its profit.
NO its profit.
Rosco holt
@Joseph Vacher
When you check NBLiquor's government web page, it's 168.4 million in net profit, not revenue.
When you check NBLiquor's government web page, it's 168.4 million in net profit, not revenue.
David Amos
@Graeme Scott True
Paul Bourgoin
Why sell the sacred cow when the problem is miss-management?
Rosco holt
@Paul Bourgoin
Government is mismanagement.
Government is mismanagement.
Paul Bourgoin
@Rosco holt
There you go Rosco you got it!
There you go Rosco you got it!
David Amos
@Rosco holt BINGO
Colin Seeley
Social Responsibilty they say. About buying a beer in a grocery store.
Lol.
Lol.
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Who cares?
Fred Brewer
Yup. We live in NB where nothing ever changes. We are soooo afraid of change.
Jeff LeBlanc
@Fred Brewer remember how
long it took to get Sunday shopping? In NB we like our things run by big
brother and our stores closed!
David Amos
@Fred Brewer YUP
Nicholas Dippler
@Fred Brewer I think most residents understand the adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Aren't there more meaningful things to look at then our booze and weed in this province?
I'd guess this is just an agenda of the money behind the political parties. Another way to bilk the provincial taxpayer of more money, and cash in on the investment of supporting whatever party they wanted in power.
I'm not sure this is for the people.
Aren't there more meaningful things to look at then our booze and weed in this province?
I'd guess this is just an agenda of the money behind the political parties. Another way to bilk the provincial taxpayer of more money, and cash in on the investment of supporting whatever party they wanted in power.
I'm not sure this is for the people.
Fred Brewer
@Nicholas Dippler
" I think most residents understand the adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
And I think most residents would agree that insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
But more to the point. NB Liquor and Cannabis NB are broke, and are in need of fixing as far as I am concerned.
" I think most residents understand the adage: If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
And I think most residents would agree that insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
But more to the point. NB Liquor and Cannabis NB are broke, and are in need of fixing as far as I am concerned.
Cannabis, liquor stores best kept out of private sector, say Liberals, Greens
Kris Austin suggests higher tax to make up for lost revenue under the private system he wants
Listen to the full CBC New Brunswick Political Panel podcast by downloading from the CBC Podcast page or subscribing to the podcast in iTunes.
People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin met pushback from other opposition parties Thursday over his call to privatize liquor and cannabis sales.
On the CBC's New Brunswick Political Panel, Austin argued that reducing the overhead for distributing liquor and cannabis could allow government to spend less and still make money from selling those products by "adjusting" the sales taxes.
But Liberal MLA Roger Melanson and Green MLA Kevin Arseneau argued the revenue coming from NB Liquor and Cannabis NB is already steady, and allows money to be put back into the province's education and health systems, for example.
Information Morning - Fredericton
Should NB Privatise Liquor and Cannabis Sales?
Peoples Alliance leader,
Kris Austin, pushes for a privatised system he thinks will boost
efficiency, increase revenue and create jobs. 11:24
Austin began speaking out about privatization after Brian Harriman, the CEO of NB Liquor and Cannabis NB, announced last month that he was stepping down to join a private cannabis company.
Austin said it's "kind of ironic" that Harriman left the Crown corporation to go to the private sector in Alberta.
However, Melanson said Alberta has a privatized distribution of liquor and cannabis, but it is still responsible for regulations and procurement.
Melanson also said Austin can't compare the two economies, since Alberta is larger and people have more disposable income.
Arseneau said government can't only look at policies from an economic standpoint but should also focus on social responsibility and public safety, and privatization could cause harm on that end.
Silence from government
No one from the Progressive Conservative government was available to participate in this week's panel.
Austin said he's had some discussions with the government about privatization, but it's unclear where the conversations were left off.
"We've certainly pushed the file with government," Austin said.
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