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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:15:01 -0400
Subject: "PM wasn't briefed on Wilson-Raybould's concerns due to
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Methinks clever lawyers, journalists and politicians should Google three names ASAP N'esy Pas?

Jody Wilson-Raybould Admiral Norman David Amos

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snc-lavalin-mark-norman-1.5078179

The spectre of political interference linking SNC-Lavalin to the Norman trial

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Guy Halifax
Trudeau is easily the most ineffective PM this country has ever seen.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Jamie Gillis: "You don't believe Trudeau can personally take credit for the unemployment rate do you?"

Of course he does

David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: "PM wasn't briefed on Wilson-Raybould's concerns due to holiday break, says Wernick's lawyer"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wernick-wilson-raybould-recording-trudeau-holiday-break-1.5078639

Yea Right

Methinks I should remind Wernick's lawyer Frank Addario and Admiral Norman's lawyer Marie Henein of when we crossed paths long ago N'esy Pas?

Rachael Saunders
Liberals are so used to controlling peoples' lives, they actually believe they are above the law.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Rachael Saunders: "Liberals are so used to controlling peoples' lives, they actually believe they are above the law."

Methinks the the liberal wealthy supporters have chugged so much red koolaid over the years that they actually believe they are Canada's "Natural Governing Party" N'esy Pas?

Cyrus Manz
The taped conversation between JWR and Wernick is certain to have been picked up by a variety of interested parties, including the very capable Norman's defense team who just got an entirely blacked out set of documents from PMO in response to their subpoena, a move that clearly outraged the judge. There strtegy is to prove "political interference" and right now they stand on very solid grounds.
The PM would therefore be wise to resign well before Norman's case goes to trial in August, just as the campaign for October general elections kick off.
I also think that the public needs to understand why CBC journalist J. Cudmore who first published the leak, ended up working as a "policy advisor" to the Minister of defence, 4 days later.

David R. Amos
Reply to @Cyrus Manz: "I also think that the public needs to understand why CBC journalist J. Cudmore who first published the leak, ended up working as a "policy advisor" to the Minister of defence, 4 days later."

I second that remark

David R. Amos

Reply to @Troy Mann: "Funny 6 months ago conservatives were calling for Jody to resign to to incompetency and now she is your hero"

RE Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Methinks nothing is funny at all The docket number of my lawsuit proves I filed it against the Crown as I was running in the election of the 42nd Parliament while Harper was still the Prime Minister, Peter MacKay was the Attorney General and Andrew Scheer was the Speaker. Trudeau and the DND are mentioned in paragraph 83 of the complaint when he was the leader of the third party of the 41st Parliament that had been dissolved. Trudeau was not a member of the Privy Council and I had never heard of the lawyer Jody Wilson-Raybould but i have been arguing her and her many minions ever since the election of the 42nd Parliament and she was sworn in to replace MacKay.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Troy Mann: However what is particularly not funny i that I have no doubt whatsoever that Jody Wilson-Raybould had encountered Michael Wernick because the Harper government appointed him to be the deputy minister for the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development in May of 2006 right after I had ran against the eighteenth Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development Andy Scott in the election of the 39th Parliament.

I can easily prove that I had crossed paths with the bureaucrat Michael Wernick many times since 2006. Methinks anyone can Google wernick@ainc-inac.gc.ca David Amos and check the evidence for themselves N'esy Pas?

Peter Vanderkellin
Anyone supporting justin now is simply supporting corruption.

Troy Mann

Reply to @Peter Vanderkellin:

Anyone supporting Sheer is supporting foreign nations over Canada

Philip Nicholson

Reply to @Troy Mann: What a ridiculous comment.

Fiona Lang

Reply to @Troy Mann: How do you arrive at that statement? Trudeau's government has given $20 Billion offshore in 3.5 years. Pot calling kettle black!

David R. Amos

Reply to @Fiona Lang: Well put

Karin Bougie
Face it, liberal voters, you picked the wrong guy for a leader.
I like some liberal policies and I believe some past liberal PM's were not so bad, but Trudeau is the result of a very elite background and with that, you don't get an honest or common sense person. You get a narrow minded and ideological leader that thinks he can get away with things.

David R. Amos
Reply to @Troy Mann: "The economy is the most important part, and Canada is doing well since we fired Harper and his decade of tough economic times and recessions"

Methinks everybody knows I have no respect for Harper whatsoever. However he did not cause the economic recession in 2008, banksters did. Harper and his cohorts cannot deny that they definitely ignored my warning in 2006 Anyone can Google "Harper and Bankers" to see what I say is true N'esy Pas?

Dave Corbin
Trudeau did inform us last election he admires the Chinese system of government above all else.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Dave Corbin: "Trudeau did inform us last election he admires the Chinese system of government above all else."

Methinks folks should never forget that irrefutable fact N'esy Pas?

Stephen David
Scheer has a lot of work cut out for him in October when he becomes PM. It will take years to undo the damage from the Libs.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Stephen David: "Scheer has a lot of work cut out for him in October when he becomes PM"

Dream on

Thomas Desjardis
Trudeau: Resign.

Troy Mann
Reply to @Stanley Baird:

No one will be talking about Jody or Jane come Oct.

We will be talking about Sheer and how he has zero credibility and policies.

October is a long way away, Jody has no more wood to toss on the fire to keep it going.

Jay Schuster

Reply to @Troy Mann: Have Patience he will bring on his policies at the appropriate time, why would he talk about them now so the Liberals and the CBC can twist what he says.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Jay Schuster: Yea Right

David R. Amos
Reply to @Troy Mann: "October is a long way away, Jody has no more wood to toss on the fire to keep it going."

So you say EH?

Joey Silvera
Hey Trudeau, Norman just sank your battleship.

Troy Mann

Reply to @Joey Silvera:

Conservatives new hero is a guy arrested by the RCMP for leaking secret information.

You folks talk about ethics but lack any to begin with

Steve Burton

Reply to @Troy Mann: He was arrested for trying to protect an existing contract that was on time and on budget from the Irvings... nuff said.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Steve Burton: "nuff said"

NOPE

Methinks Mr Brison and Norman's lawyers are well aware that I have a lot to say about the irving Clan and their ship building schemes Anyone can Google David Amos Admiral Norman N'esy Pas?

Mick Murcatto
This liberal government has been a mess since day one. Total chaos, a division causing wreck. There is no need to railroad this man. The person that needs investigation is the PM himself. JWR has revealed it all. Time for a change, beginning at the very top. Anyone else would have been fired long ago.

David R. Amos

Reply to @Mick Murcatto: "This liberal government has been a mess since day one."

Methinks it very strange that nobody has mentioned that in January of 2016 in the second paragraph of Trudeau’s announcement ditching Janice Charette as clerk of the Privy Council and secretary to the cabine tsaid that “the prime minister has asked Mr. Wernick for advice on a process to fill the position on a permanent basis.” Clearly Wernick advised that he was the dude for the job and no doubt Jody Wilson-Raybould and her fellow cabinet ministers approved N'esy Pas?

229 Comments

David R. Amos
Methinks clever lawyers, journalists and politicians should Google three names ASAP N'esy Pas?

They are as follows:

Jody Wilson-Raybould Admiral Norman David Amos

mo bennett
a politician couldn't tell the truth if her/his life depended on it.

David R. Amos

Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks everybody knows that N'esy Pas?

mo bennett

Reply to @David R. Amos: yo, davie, judging by a lot of the comments on this site, I'd say yer dead nuts wrong on that one!

David R. Amos

Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you as well as I that its all just PURE D BS N'esy Pas?

Reply to @Cyrus Manz: "I also think that the public needs to understand why CBC journalist J. Cudmore who first published the leak, ended up working as a "policy advisor" to the Minister of defence, 4 days later."

I second that remark

Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)
The very foundation of our Justice system,Constitution and the very fabric of what the people of Canada stand for are under threat from the Trudeau Liberal Government.

mo bennett

Reply to @Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70): ya, see the problem with that is politicians only stand for the back room boys, getting elected, and getting their 6 years in so they qualify for the lifetime, taxpayer funded, entitlement gravy train.

David R. Amos

Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks everybody knows that too N'esy Pas?

mo bennett
Reply to @David R. Amos: yer wrong again! there's lots of commenters here that don't.

The spectre of political interference linking SNC-Lavalin to the Norman trial

Wilson-Raybould brought up Norman in her secretly-taped conversation - which could factor into his trial

Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: Mar 30, 2019 4:00 AM ET

Left: Vice-Admiral Mark Norman. Right: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Norman's legal team is alleging political interference in his case. (Adrian Wyld, Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

They're two sides of the same political and judicial coin: SNC-Lavalin and the Mark Norman trial.

The all-consuming, breathless political drama over the SNC Lavalin scandal has rocked the Liberal government to its foundations. The grinding courtroom fight in the breach-of-trust case case against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, the military's former second-in-command, is somewhat less flashy, but still high-profile.

What links them — and, to a lesser degree, the extradition of Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou — is the fear that politics can trump prosecutorial independence.

Former justice minister Jody Wilson-Raybould put a finger on the issue in her clandestine recording of a telephone conversation with the country's top bureaucrat, Michael Wernick. The recording was released to the Commons justice committee and the media Friday.

The two were discussing the possibility of a deferred prosecution agreement for SNC Lavalin — which faces corruption charges, including fraud and bribery — and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's insistence that such an option be considered.

Jody Wilson-Raybould (left) and Michael Wernick. (Canadian Press photos)

"Does he understand the gravity of what this potentially could mean?" Wilson-Raybould asked Wernick, the clerk of the Privy Council, in the Dec. 19, 2019 conversation.

"This is not about saving jobs. This is about interfering with one of our fundamental institutions. This is like breaching a constitutional principle of prosecutorial independence."

Wernick responded: "Well, I don't think (Trudeau) sees it as that."

In what could be construed as an attempt to protect the prime minister, Wilson-Raybould later insisted that someone should explain the implications to Trudeau more clearly.

Wilson-Raybould warned about the potential knock-on effect in cases like Norman's, although she suggested the government's conduct in Norman's case has been above reproach.

'The cases are not dissimilar'

"We can stand up in the House of Commons on [the case of Vice-Admiral Mark] Norman on — totally appropriately on Norman — on extradition, and we can talk about the rule of law," she said in the recorded conversation.

"The cases are not dissimilar. The principle, or the integrity, of how we act and respond to the tools we have available and what we should and shouldn't do, again ... I just don't know."

Norman's defence team has tried to paint the prosecution of the former navy commander, who is accused of leaking cabinet secrets, in political terms.

Norman's lawyer, Toronto attorney Marie Henein, at first accused former cabinet minister Scott Brison of interfering in the $668 million shipbuilding deal at the heart of the criminal case.

In a dramatic recent turn, Norman's lawyers alleged that the Privy Council Office, the department that supports the Prime Minister's Office, was attempting to direct the prosecution — a claim that by itself is more serious than Wilson-Raybould's claim that she felt "pressure" over the SNC Lavalin matter.

PM wanted SNC-Lavalin deal 'one way or another,' Wernick told Wilson-Raybould in secretly recorded call

Defence lawyers receive heavily censored memo to Trudeau about Mark Norman's case

Updated
Norman's lawyer threatens subpoenas for top Trudeau staffers, bureaucrats over document request

Henein has subpoenaed emails, text messages and meeting notes belonging to Trudeau and his senior advisers, including Wernick and Wilson-Raybould, in order to make that case.

Those documents have just started to land in the hands of Norman's defence — but some have arrived in redacted form.

Wilson-Raybould has not commented substantively on the Norman case. Henein, reacting to the SNC Lavalin scandal, recently made a point of telling the court she wanted to know what conversations the former justice minister had regarding the trial, and whether she still has notes related to it.

How SNC-Lavalin could play into Norman's defence

Rory Fowler, a retired lieutenant-colonel and former military lawyer now in private practice, said Wilson-Raybould's taped remarks have to be parsed within their context — that she knew she was being recorded.

"Part of the challenge is that the interpretation of what she's saying and the relevance of what she's saying is skewed by the fact that she knows she's recording it and the clerk of the Privy Council does not," Fowler said.

The former justice minister may have argued that giving SNC Lavalin what it wanted would have created the perception of political interference in the Norman case — but Fowler said he fully expects the vice-admiral's lawyer to take that remark and turn its on its head.

Henein "has already done a very good job, on arguably limited information, to draw the suggestion that there was political motivation behind the prosecution," Fowler said.

"She doesn't have a smoking gun yet."

It will take documents, and perhaps the testimony of witnesses, to establish whether there was political interference in Norman's case, he added.

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