Friday, 1 March 2019

Property taxes going up for 179,000 New Brunswickers


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Methinks at least we may rest assured that Mr Higgs will be Happy Happy Happy that he will have more money to balance his budget with N'esy Pas?


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Property taxes going up for 179,000 New Brunswickers

38 per cent of properties around the province will see increase


Resort towns like Saint Andrews, Cap Pelé and Shediac have seen increases. (Submitted by the Canadian Institute of Planners)


About 179,000 New Brunswick properties are getting tax increases starting today — but exactly where is a mystery. 
Popular resort towns like Saint Andrews have seen the largest increase in property values, and tax bills connected to them.

Property tax bills began landing in mailboxes around the province Friday.

Although most landowners will not pay any more than last year, there are hints of pockets of tax increases in some areas — including several popular summer communities — that won't be fully revealed until next week.


Service New Brunswick has revealed that nearly 179,000 properties around the province, 38 per cent, will see an assessment and tax increase this year. About 28,000 of those increases will see tax bills rise five per cent or more, but the exact location of those are not yet known

Executive director of assessment Stephen Ward said Thursday the largest increases probably belong to newly built or renovated structures, not existing properties.

A comprehensive street-by-street list of where property values and taxes have jumped the most will not be released by Service New Brunswick until next week.

"When you see an [assessment] increase greater than 10 per cent, that's typically due to new construction — a new building , a new residential home, a new office structure," Ward told reporters.

But typically, property tax increases also hit in clusters where communities are growing, have recently been visited by assessors or have land that is in high demand.

Heads up


Last fall New Brunswick municipalities were given some information on where property values in their communities were headed. Based on those estimates, full-time and seasonal residents of several popular provincial vacation spots will want to check property tax bills closely as they begin arriving as early as today.

Saint Andrews in particular was told property values in the town were up $18.7 million this year (6.2 percent), more than double the provincial average of 2.5 percent.

That may be the result of significant new construction in the town, but may also hint at higher assessment and tax bills coming for average residents.

Moncton leads cities in assessment growth


Other popular summer communities with higher than average increases in property values this year include Lac Baker (5.5 percent), Cocagne (4.6 percent), Cap Pelé (4.2 percent) and Shediac (4.2 percent).

Among New Brunswick's larger communities, Moncton continues to lead in the growth of property values. It added a projected $309.7 million in assessed value this year (3.8 percent) bringing the total worth of all taxable property in the city to $8.37 billion.

That's $1.1 billion more than Fredericton and $1.4 billion more than Saint John.

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Robert Jones has been a reporter and producer with CBC New Brunswick since 1990. His investigative reports on petroleum pricing in New Brunswick won several regional and national awards and led to the adoption of price regulation in 2006. 



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David Amos 
David Amos
Surprise Surprise Surprise


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@David Amos

I am not surprised at all...He wanted to eliminate the double tax on property it was the only way to do it...Higgy and Austy are the best !!!

David Amos
Content disabled.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you must be off your meds N'esy Pas?


David Amos
Content disabled.
David Amos
@Marc Martin Yea Right











John Pokiok
John Pokiok
This is crazy officially my assessment is now higher than what I can sell my house for easy money grab.It just never ends here just got my bill today not happy.


David Amos
David Amos
@John Pokiok Methinks at least we may rest assured that Mr Higgs will be Happy Happy Happy that he will have more money to balance his budget with N'esy Pas?



Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@John Pokiok
Then get an appraisal or comparative analysis to demonstrate your assessment is over fair market and appeal between now and April.









John Pokiok 
Marc Bourque
wait till we have to pay taxes on the market value of our homes!! Give us a damm break!!


Ian Scott
Ian Scott
@Marc Bourque Well those are probably less than than the assessed values. I been saying it for kingdom come that NB cities cannot continue to use property assessments that are out of wack with market value to make money. Its the services that need to be paid for so account for those just like the water/sewer taxes. And do that after provincial and federal grants. Some cities in Canada have million dollar plus homes with taxes lower than ours on 400K homes. Waterfront vacation homes well you are on your own for those.

David Amos
David Amos
@Ian Scott True












John Pokiok 
Marc Martin
And there ya go, the people who wanted the second house taxing gone well its gonna be gone but poor 179 000 people will pay for it, the CoRservative way rich get richer and the poor gets poorer.


Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@Marc Martin ....wow, your boy had a better handle on it?...short memory, eh voila.

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin I am sure they are still using the Liberal spy planes and agenda that started the tax grab.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Seamus O'hern

No short memory at all, but its the CoRservative way.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane

But why isn't your CoRserative leader removing them ? Your saying he does not need it right ? Oh by the way the Liberal did not initiate the current tax grab your leader Higgs did.

David Amos
David Amos
@Seamus O'hern I have a long memory and keep even better records Methinks what Mr Martin said to you last evening was a rather telling thing about his character N'esy Pas?



Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ....aye....that code....."thoughtful and respectful conversation"...as per CBC NB values are concerned.










John Pokiok 
Colin Seeley
Eliminate Property Tax.

Replace it with equivalent Carbon Tax.


David Amos
David Amos
@Colin Seeley Not funny












John Pokiok 
Ian Scott
One problem now is the cost of building is so high that the finished products are almost in the 1% of home values even though most of the surrounding areas are market value less. So they will pay taxes but not be able to sell at the built price. Renovation costs are huge . I have to laugh at some of the people that want old homes kept etc. They have no idea of the reno costs. A bathroom stretches into the 10K range to bring things up to modern. Its almost an inversion compared to Toronto or Vancouver.


David Amos
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David Amos
@Ian Scott True


David Amos
David Amos
@Ian Scott Oh So True









John Pokiok 
Addie lingley
Every year they go up , so no surprise here, we cannot afford to live, eat, pay taxes, pay cra, pay utilities, almost no one now has a bank account because our great politicians and governments want every last cent, we drive on the worst roads ever, actual dangerous roads but we want more of your hard earned money, is there anybody out there getting this or what!!!!


daryl doucette
daryl doucette
@Addie lingley These monstrous tax increases will allow the liberals to bring in thousands more middle eastern and north African "refugees" ( read new liberal voters) from the never ending war zones in the middle east and Africa. Nice to see them living in new homes and looking well fed with their 8 to 10 children per family.....and we pay for that....

Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@Addie lingley ...."NOPE" but the BILLS have to be paid on NBer's backs....seems Brian and "his kind" don't hear a thing....they can afford it now with the "non games".....everybody in Atlantic Canada voted for the Liberals so ask Truedoe...oh wait, he's busy. How about Clam man Dominic....oh wait....he's still trying to get those "games" for you.....oh dear, Sorry Addie....maybe Marc and his kind can help ya.

daryl doucette
daryl doucette
@daryl doucette and, as a " footnote"........are these middle eastern men ( mostly Syrians this time ) " vetted"? That is, have back round checks been done on these guys? Apparently , according to the " Rebel Media" , under the " right to information act" these men have NOT been checked....it seems the only thing that counts is they have a bunch of children...??

Tim Biddiscombe
Tim Biddiscombe
@Seamus O'hern Seamus .. Trudeau has nothing to do with property valuations in NB.

Tim Biddiscombe
Tim Biddiscombe
@daryl doucette We didnt bring in any single Syrian men. We brought in families only. Try again.

Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@Tim Biddiscombe ...duh...gee thanks...trudoe has nothing to do with the Atlantic too...except during election time.

David Amos
David Amos
@Addie lingley I got it











Harold Benson
Harold Benson
It is one beautiful province being squandered by politicians.


Tim Biddiscombe
Tim Biddiscombe
@Harold Benson Of both parties..

Tim Biddiscombe
Tim Biddiscombe
@Harold Benson And actually, there's nothing especially beautiful about NB..

Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Tim Biddiscombe Nope not since they cut all the woods down.

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Tim Biddiscombe Could be a beautiful awesome province again. The swamp of eternal stench set in. We need to drain the swamp.

David Amos
David Amos
@Harold Benson YUP


David Amos
David Amos
@Tim Biddiscombe "And actually, there's nothing especially beautiful about NB.."

As a Baby Boomer lucky enough to grow up here I should inform you that New Brunswick and its people were far more than merely beautiful. This place was chock full of joyful souls who had survived two world wars and a depression then raised many large happy families. The Trudeau the Elder became our Prime Minister. The ghosts of many folks who raised me would agree that the draft dodging Quebec lawyer was not worthy of shining R.B Bennett's shoes.

Methinks folks can make it be that way again if we manage to rid ourselves of the rampant public corruption that supports the greed of politicians,, the SANB and the Irving Clan to name but a few N'esy Pas?










John Pokiok 
Frank Campbell
The harder you work, the harder you save, the harder you try to get ahead, the harder you work to get or build a nicer house, the harder they punish you (tax)..Property tax should be amt of money per square foot of land.... that's it....... Ask Irving how much they are paying on millions of acres of land that are providing millions of $ profits.


Tim Biddiscombe
Tim Biddiscombe
@Frank Campbell People with big rural lots would be quite upset with your proposal..

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Frank Campbell Ask Irving how much they are paying on millions of acres of land that are providing millions of $ profits to THEMSELVES for a fraction of what the rest pay.

Fixed it for you.

Harold Benson
Harold Benson
@Frank Campbell OMG..you should see the amount of CLEARCUT here since fall. Ruined it.

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Harold Benson Expect more flooding except now its blamed on Climate Change.

David Amos
David Amos
@Shawn McShane Expect your insurance rates to rise with the water












John Pokiok 
Shawn McShane
The biggest scam? If your house is assessed for $150,000 and it sits on the market for 2 yrs and you sell it for $120,000 the new owners HAVE TO PAY TAX ON the assessed value of $150,000 and more when the assessed value by governmint makes it go up every year after that. It never goes down if the market goes down. The taxes only ever go up.


John Pokiok
John Pokiok
@Shawn McShane I already have gone through that in 2014 i have sold the house that was assessed at 252000 after almost year on the market I sold it for 215000 the guy I sold it to is paying tax on it now assessed at 264000 he appeal it every year since buying yet kept on going up, pure robbery.

David Amos
David Amos
@John Pokiok The same thing just happened to me











Matt Steele 
Matt Steele
Tax , Tax , Tax , and more Tax . It will get a lot worse before it gets better as N.B. has one of the oldest populations in Canada , with a very low birth rate . Everyone is leaving , and no one wants to move here other than retirees . Welcome to N.B. ; Canada's " ONLY " officially bilingual province !


Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Matt Steele The government and employers are fixing that problem, they have joined forces to bring in immigrants and retain them while they turn a blind eye to NBers leaving because they can't afford to stay...in this place.

Mike McCormick
Mike McCormick
@Shawn McShane We obviously need immigrants.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

So when is Higgs going to lower taxes one : revenue, gaz, TPS ?? Oh wait he just brought up the taxes the CoRservative way...

David Amos
David Amos
@Matt Steele "Welcome to N.B. ; Canada's " ONLY " officially bilingual province !"

Methinks you should finally read my lawsuit (T-1557-15) N'esy Pas?










John Pokiok 
Les Cooper
They will keep increasing because more and more people leave. No one will be left here


David Amos
David Amos
@Les Cooper Methinks I will be and no doubt the Irving and McCain Clans are here to stay as well N'esy Pas?










John Pokiok 
Jake Quinlan
Ahhhh and there is your balanced budget. Frustrating.


David Amos
David Amos
@Jake Quinlan Methinks Ernie Steeves should be pleased N'esy Pas?











Jim Johnston 
Jim Johnston
I guess I am one of the few people in NB who are not dissatisfied with property taxes. I feel I pay fairly for the services I receive. The only issue I have with property tax is the assessment process that is inconsistent, as pointed out by many people posting here. If a place sells for 200K it should be assessed at 200k, and those values should be reflected in the entire neighbourhood.


Ramone Burrell
Ramone Burrell
@Jim Johnston So you don't mind the government taking your money and shoving it in their pockets, giving it to other countries, and just simply squandering it? You must not work hard for your money.

Roy Nicholl
Roy Nicholl
@Jim Johnston
As a owner occupant your property tax rate is reasonable as the provincial portion of the property tax is rebated.

However, folks who rent their accommodations are {indirectly} paying proper taxes which include the provincial portion and are another 20-40% greater on the same assessed value.


David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl True

David Amos
David Amos
@Roy Nicholl Then there is the old folks whose property taxes double as soon as they go into the old folks when the government refuses to provide assistance so that they could remain in their home. Rich people's property taxes don't double when they go south for six months each year. Why should old folks pay double in their last days?










John Pokiok 
Johnny Jakobs
Tax the summer homes/residents more. If you have money for a second home than you have more money for the taxman.

Tax this. Tax that. Tax it again. Than at the end of the year and your life... you pay more tax.

Tax. Tax. Tax.


David Amos
David Amos
@Johnny Jakobs Sounds like an old song by the Beatles















Harold Benson 
Harold Benson

Thoreau said it all. You don't own your house, it owns you.


David Amos
David Amos
@Harold Benson Methinks Sam should tell you that the Yankee who hung around Walden Pond didn't know everything For instance if you quit paying property tax on your house you will find out who owns it and you N'esy Pas?













John Pokiok 
Wally E. Bamberger
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Get assessment out of the system. It's too subjective. There are too many variables that go into it's determination. Property size, structures and zoning should be the only determinants upon which to base a tax. Population and popularity come and go, but property is constant. A town loses popularity and population, but the land and demand for services are still there.


David Amos
David Amos
@Wally E. Bamberger True











John Pokiok 
Seamus O'hern
CBC and Marc have a mandate.....isn't that right CBC NB?


Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@Seamus O'hern ......M.M. and his other fake accounts certainly does have an agenda on here for sure . Luckily , when you look at his overwhelming down votes , no one really takes him or his other accounts seriously .

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Seamus O'hern

I do ?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

Mat why don't you respond..When is Higgs going to remove the special taxe on gax, lower the tase on revenue and lower the TPS ??

herbie derbie
herbie derbie
@Marc Martin Matt cant respond unless someone tells him the answer.. fake account steele is his real name.. pay your taxes buddy

David Amos
David Amos
@Seamus O'hern Everybody knows thats true

David Amos
David Amos
@herbie derbie Thats true too









John Pokiok 
Seamus O'hern
"thoughtful and respectful conversations".....so how does Marc come into play here?



Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Seamus O'hern

I am always respectful to those who are respectful to me.

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin Yea Right











John Pokiok 
herbie derbie
There is one big problem here and its the people.. Everyone wants all services for nothing.. Governments keep bending and changing but the people still want more and more.. I hope some day we have to pay for health care per visit.. pay to drive our roads etc... maybe then everyone will stop demanding more...


Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@herbie derbie .....Just take a look at all the money that the Liberal govt. has funneled to the SANB . Brian Gallants buddies recently filled their pockets with 2.5 million worth of taxpayer cash with their Francophonie Games SCAM !

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

When is you CoRservative leader going to remove the special taxe on gax, lower the tase on revenue and lower the TPS ??

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@herbie derbie When a home in NB assessed at $200,000 pays double or more property tax than a home assessed at $2 Million anywhere else something stinks. We are the highest everything taxed province in Canada with the lowest median wages in Canada.

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane

Higgy and Austy have to compensate for the double tax elimination on roperty enjoy !!!

Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@herbie derbie .....It would be interesting to know how much of the taxpayers hard earned money is being funneled to the SANB and UdeM......

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin The tax didn't just go up under HIggs and Austin, it went up for many homes under Gallant Liberals, remember the scandal with fake renovations?

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Matt Steele

Its all public..Do a Google search...

Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane

But it went back down...Why is it coming back up now ?? Is Gallant still in charge ????

Shawn McShane
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin It didn't go down it artificially went up for fake reasons, only those stung by the tax scandal, those charged for renovations they never did got their assessment fixed.

herbie derbie
herbie derbie
@Matt Steele Good for them are you jealous..
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herbie derbie
herbie derbie
@Matt Steele I hope a bunch mr seele

David Amos
David Amos
@herbie derbie Methinks lots of old rural folks such as I would love to see a few potholes fixed with our tax dollars N'esy Pas?

David Amos
David Amos
@Marc Martin "Its all public..Do a Google search..."

Methinks folks should Google your name and mine while they are at it N'esy Pas?



Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ...oh David.... if he Google's the Martin name it will devastate him....when those English Coat of Arms show up....lol!











John Pokiok 
Mario Doucet
Some one has to pay the bilingualism/duality bill.


Marc Martin
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet

Actually this is the start of the compensation from Higgy and Austy concerning the double taxe elimination enjoy !!!

Matt Steele
Matt Steele
@Mario Doucet ......Very true ; the SANB and the UdeM loves getting those taxpayer handouts .

David Amos
David Amos
@Mario Doucet YUP and pay the wages of all the greedy unionized bureaucrats the Federal Charter has spawned










John Pokiok 
Chantal LeBouthi
Weird cbc nb where the story about why NB Blaine Higgs.missing in action at the Atlantic meeting In Halifax

Hiding or something really low leadership but not surprising


David Amos
David Amos
@Chantal LeBouthi Hmmmm


Seamus O'hern
Seamus O'hern
@David Amos ...hahaha....failed that test she never had to write....all good.










John Pokiok 
Phil Bigeau
i want it now and i want it free you hear


David Amos
David Amos
@Phil Bigeau I heard that and a lot of crickets as well











David Amos 
David Amos
Methinks everyone is still Happy Happy Happy N'esy Pas?






https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/canadas-draft-dodger-pm/article4290247/


In his final telegram home before leaving Ottawa, British High Commissioner Lord Moran observed about Pierre Trudeau:

"With some reason, he has not been greatly respected or trusted in London. He has never entirely shaken off his past as a well-to-do hippie and draft dodger. His views on East/West relations have been particularly suspect."

Perhaps Lord Moran had Mr. Trudeau's "peace initiative" in mind when he wrote these words. Indeed, the most damning assessment of that initiative - until now - was that of our former ambassador to Moscow under Mr. Trudeau, Robert Ford, who famously observed that Canada lacked the power to effect change in either East or West.

According to a CP report by Joan Bryden, the second volume of John English's biography of Mr. Trudeau, which will be in book stores tomorrow, may explain Lord Moran's harsh judgment of our former prime minister:

"When Trudeau approved testing of cruise missiles over Canadian territory in 1983, one of his paramours at that time - Margot Kidder, an actress and peace activist - took it upon herself to persuade him to reconsider.

While he maintained that Canada had no choice as a member of NATO, Trudeau nevertheless invited Kidder to a dinner during a visit to Washington, in which she 'argued vehemently with senior Reagan administration officials while he urged her on by squeezing her thigh each time she scored a point,' English writes.

Kidder pressed Trudeau to meet with anti-nuclear activist Helen Caldicott. She taunted him about being on 'the other side' but, as she put it in one letter, 'You're a potential ally. I'll get you on our side if it kills me.'

'Slowly,' writes English, 'Pierre began to shift to her side.'

Pressured by Kidder, harassed by anti-nuclear protesters on Parliament Hill and worried about the possibility of a nuclear war, Trudeau launched a personal peace initiative in the fall of 1983. He planned to meet with the heads of the five nuclear superpowers and other foreign leaders, trying to tone down the belligerent Cold War rhetoric and kickstart negotiations for an expanded non-proliferation agreement.

His initiative won accolades from Kidder, as well as Streisand and Garnett, among others. But Canadian pundits were skeptical about his sincerity and English himself concludes that Trudeau's impact on the end of the Cold War was 'marginal.'

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With his poll numbers down and his caucus in open revolt, a discouraged Trudeau allowed his peace initiative to peter out in February, 1984, and announced his resignation from politics a few weeks later - even though, English says, 'There can be no doubt that Trudeau wanted to stay'."

Some Canadians will agree with Lord Moran's assessment of Pierre Trudeau. On the other hand, a Toronto Star columnist, apparently unaware that it would take a unanimous agreement to amend the constitution, was so infuriated by the "trashing" of Mr. Trudeau that he suggested we cut our links with the Crown if we cannot get the respect of the British in future.

Notably, in advance of the book launch this evening in Toronto, Toronto Star readers will not be reading Ms. Bryden's report this morning; instead, they will read this about Professor English's biography of the former prime minister.

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