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Methinks folks should ask where the potash is coming from and why N'esy Pas?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/cn-railway-train-derails-saint-john-1.5621323
CN railway train carrying potash, woodchips derails in Saint John
Derailment expected to be cleaned up by this afternoon
· CBC News · Posted: Jun 21, 2020 11:08 AM AT |
One of the CN Rail cars that derailed Saturday night was empty but had previously contained liquid sulphur. (Submitted by Chris Likourgiotis)
A Canadian National Railway train carrying potash, woodchips and an empty car that had contained sulphur derailed over a gas pipeline in Saint John on Saturday night.
Eight cars were derailed around 6:30 p.m., causing two street closures and forcing businesses in the area to shut down early, said Steve Vautour, platoon chief with the Saint John Fire Department.
McAllister Drive to Russell Street remains closed as fire crews clean up the area.
"We're working on a plan right now to upright all the cars that have been toppled over," Vautour said.
Vautour wouldn't speculate on the cause. The derailment should be cleaned up by mid-afternoon, he said.
One of the cars that came off its tracks when a CN train derailed Saturday. (Submitted by Chris Likourgiotis)
No leaks, fires or injuries resulted from the derailment, said a statement from CN.
"CN would like to apologize for the inconvenience caused by this incident," said company spokesperson Jonathan Abecassis in an emailed statement.
Abecassis said CN would not be doing interviews about the derailment Sunday.
Six of the derailed cars contained potash, one contained woodchips and the eighth contained residue of its previous load, liquid sulphur.
A train derailed Saturday evening, knocking several cars off the track. (Submitted by Chris Likourgiotis)
The fire department is staying on scene to make sure the empty hazardous material car is handled safely.
"We're just there to make sure everything is conducted in the proper manner," Vautour said.
Several businesses on Rothesay Avenue were forced to close early because of last night's derailment, including the The Med Restaurant.
Owner Chris Likourgiotis was in his office doing paperwork when the derailment occurred.
"When heavy trains go by we'll feel a bit of a rumble in the building," he said.
"Around 6:30 p.m. I felt not just a rumble but it felt like an earthquake. The whole building was shaking and it lasted for about 15 seconds."
A railway car slid off its track, toppling a poll. (Submitted by Chris Likourgiotis)
Likourgiotis jumped out of his chair and ran to the kitchen, where people were screaming about a train derailing.
When Likourgiotis ran outside, he saw the train cars toppled over, a downed power line and two lamp posts knocked over.
The car containing liquid sulphur residue from its previous load was shifted off its track and leaning less than two metres away from one of his chef's vehicles.
"If it was full, it would have been a catastrophic event."
One of the train cars that derailed contained liquid sulphur residue from an earlier load. It derailed near a vehicle. (Submitted by Chris Likourgiotis)
Likourgiotis told his customers, some who were halfway through their meals, to leave his restaurant.
Along with the fire department, NB Power, Liberty Utilities and NB Southern Railway crews also responded to the derailment.
Trains pass by the area "many times" during the day, Likourgiotis said.
About two years ago there was a minor derailment behind the restaurant.
"It was one or two vehicles or cars that were tilted a little bit on the side, but nothing like this."
With files from Sarah Haliburton and Blair Sanderson
84 Comments
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David Amos
Methinks to be fair it looks to me like the problem this time was with CN's train and not the Irving's tracks N'esy Pas?
David Amos
I repeat Methinks folks should ask where the potash is coming from and why N'esy Pas?
Jos Allaire
When the baron of Bermuda owns Boardwalk, Park Place, a utility company and now a railway, is there any place left for any one of us to go? The guy has already won the Monopoly game. It happens every time.
David Amos
Reply to @Jos Allaire: Mais Oui but never forget that it was a CN train lugging potash this time
Buddy Best
Could have been something far more lethal!!!!! This is no longer a one off for this city. How many issues do we not hear about. All lives Matter.
David Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Depends on who you talk to and who you listen to
Jim Redmond
Now the folks in Toronto will demand that potash and wood chips are banned.
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @Jim Redmond: So you are a Torontonian then? Always suspected that.
Jim Redmond
Reply to @Lieschen Mueller: I wouldn't live there if they paid me $10 million. I can't stand the place.
Jim Redmond
Reply to @Lieschen Mueller: Now that hurts --- comparing me to a Torontoite.
Jos Allaire
Reply to @Jim Redmond: it could be worse, he could call you a Leaf fan.
James Edward
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Could be worse, you might be in Fredericton.
David Amos
Reply to @James Edward: Oh So True
mabel short
same company that caused the LacMedantic crash!!! 2ndary rails, not main CN,CP tracks.
Donald Gallant
Reply to @mabel short:
I seem to remember that some guy failed to apply brakes.
But blaming big profitable business Soothes the soul more. eh.
I seem to remember that some guy failed to apply brakes.
But blaming big profitable business Soothes the soul more. eh.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Donald
Gallant: Does the term "short staff for more profit" mean anything to
you? Irving does profit before people!!!! Always has and always will and
pay no taxes.
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Buddy Best:
What does this have to do with Irving??
What does this have to do with Irving??
David Amos
Reply to @mabel short: Nope
James Risdon
Train derailments are one of the many reasons why oil pipelines make sense. Transporting oil by pipeline is four times safer than sending it by train.
Environmentalists should be promoting oil pipelines as the best way to move oil from one place to another. But they don't.
That's because their concern isn't really for the environment. Their objective is to destroy the oil and gas industry in Canada.
Ask yourself why. I'll give you a hint: follow the money.
David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Who owns CN?
David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Who owns Potash Corp now?
Dave Cudmore
Reply to @James Risdon:
Alberta's oil industry had massive plans to greatly increase production of the tarsands. No oil executive ever said shipping by rail would stop or even decrease if pipelines were built. Instead, production would increase to maximum using both pipelines and rail.
The danger from pipelines would be in ADDITION to the danger produced by shipping bitumen by rail.
Alberta's oil industry had massive plans to greatly increase production of the tarsands. No oil executive ever said shipping by rail would stop or even decrease if pipelines were built. Instead, production would increase to maximum using both pipelines and rail.
The danger from pipelines would be in ADDITION to the danger produced by shipping bitumen by rail.
Lieschen Mueller
Reply to @James
Risdon: But you cannot transport potash via a pipeline. Sure, pipelines
make sense for oil and gas but there are still many products that need
to be shipped by rail and there are TOO MANY CN trains derailing.
Fred Brewer
Reply to @James Risdon: "Transporting oil by pipeline is four times safer than sending it by train."
Perhaps, but without question it is even safer and way better for the environment if we just leave the oil in the ground. Many countries worldwide have set achievable targets of 100% renewables. It is time for us to get onboard with those countries.
Perhaps, but without question it is even safer and way better for the environment if we just leave the oil in the ground. Many countries worldwide have set achievable targets of 100% renewables. It is time for us to get onboard with those countries.
Buddy Best
Reply to @James Risdon: There are NO safe ways to transport or use oil/gas. Lesser evil is always a bad option.
Jos Allaire
Reply to @James
Risdon: You reinforce my suspicion that big oil and Christianity are in
cahoots just like Trump, big oil and fundamentalist Christians down
south.
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Fred Brewer:
Okay we leave oil in the ground, then what.
There will be no lumber to build homes, no concrete to build buildings, no metal products, a number of medications will disappear, no travel between countries by air or ship, no furnishings in a a home, actually no home. No solar panels or wind farms. No....
That's just a few things that would be affected by leaving oil in the ground.
Heres a good exercise to try. Take a seat in you home or apartment and have a look at what's there, surrounding you. Count the items that oil has given you and those that it hasn't. Then, figuratively, remove the items oil is responsible for. Before you start removing the items it's best if you stand up first
Okay we leave oil in the ground, then what.
There will be no lumber to build homes, no concrete to build buildings, no metal products, a number of medications will disappear, no travel between countries by air or ship, no furnishings in a a home, actually no home. No solar panels or wind farms. No....
That's just a few things that would be affected by leaving oil in the ground.
Heres a good exercise to try. Take a seat in you home or apartment and have a look at what's there, surrounding you. Count the items that oil has given you and those that it hasn't. Then, figuratively, remove the items oil is responsible for. Before you start removing the items it's best if you stand up first
Lieschen Mueller
And another CN train derailment, this is happening far too often.
David Amos
Reply to @Lieschen
Mueller: Its not always CN trains lugging harmless potash going of the
tracks Its the ones lugging oil we should be concerned about
Jim Redmond
Reply to @Lieschen Mueller: I have complete confidence in the rail companies.
Lieschen
Mueller
Reply to @David Amos: We should worry about the fact that far too many CN trains derail.
Lieschen
Mueller
Reply to @Jim
Redmond: Are the derailings fake news? Why are there so many derailings
in the USA and Canada whilst in Western Europe, they are very rare?
Jim Redmond
Reply to @Lieschen
Mueller: The rate of derailings is extremely low in North America ---
probably lower than anywhere in the world. And please point out any
major transportation industry that doesn't have incidents.
Lieschen
Mueller
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Germany has a much superior safety record than Alberta!!!
Jim Redmond
Reply to @Lieschen
Mueller: It actually doesn't, and anyone could operate a railway on
terrain like Germany's --- Canada is much more challenging.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Jim Redmond: Anyone who defends derailments as 'they happen" make me sick. The happen for profits
James
Edward
Reply to @David Amos: build that pipe line
Carroll Cameron
Reply to @Buddy Best:
Well puke away Buddy and while you're on your knees in front of the toilet heres something to ponder between your regurgitations. Now depending on the size and product, a derailment
can cost a railway 100s of millions of dollars. Not really conducive to maximizing profits now is it.
Furthermore, no one on here is defending derailments, period.
Well puke away Buddy and while you're on your knees in front of the toilet heres something to ponder between your regurgitations. Now depending on the size and product, a derailment
can cost a railway 100s of millions of dollars. Not really conducive to maximizing profits now is it.
Furthermore, no one on here is defending derailments, period.
David Amos
Reply to @Lieschen Mueller: They are not all CN trains Many belong to the Irving Clan and they own the railroad line
David Amos
Reply to @James
Edward: it you listened to my debates you would know that I was never
against the pipelines going east and west just the one going south of
the 49th
Ray Bungay
Could be a cracked axle on one of the cars or possibly the rail track expanded in the heat.
Gerry Ford
Reply to @Ray Bungay:
Thanks Tips
Thanks Tips
David Amos
Reply to @Ray Bungay:
A potash train goes off track while chugging slow through Saint John
ain't no big deal to me However what it was different train lugging oil
and going fast through my neck of the woods and it breaks an axle or
whatever?
Ken Alls
Not due to incompetence at all. Sometimes the cars get a mind of their own and jump track...
Keep moving , says CN, nothing to see here.
Peter Wylie
Reply to @Ken Alls:
"Mary Keith, a spokesperson for JDI, said the track was inspected Friday and no issues were reported."
"Mary Keith, a spokesperson for JDI, said the track was inspected Friday and no issues were reported."
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @Ken Alls: one photo did show a wheel broken off the suspension unit . . . .before or after the derailment ? ? ?
Peter Wylie
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield:
3rd photo from right to left between the 6th and 7th car you see a gap. Looks like it may have come apart. Just my opinion.
3rd photo from right to left between the 6th and 7th car you see a gap. Looks like it may have come apart. Just my opinion.
David Amos
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Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Ask Brucejack Speculator what he knows about it
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Ask Brucejack Speculator what he knows about it
Buddy Best
Reply to @Peter Wylie: Mary is a computer. She only repeats what is fed to her.
Buddy Best
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Your point( mary)
David Amos
Reply to @Buddy Best: Nope its ol Brucejack
Corrie Weatherfield
"liquid sulphur" . . . hmmm ? according to a reference I checked, sulfur melts at about 113 C, or just above boiling point of water . . . does that mean when in use the car is kept warm enough to keep the sulphur liquid . . . or does it really mean the contents were something like sulphuric acid which would be considered quite a hazardous product would it not?
David Amos
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Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Methinks the Brucejack Speculator is a big fan of Coronation Street N'esy Pas?
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: If it were stored under pressure, that would decrease the melting point.
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: possibly but I can find no reference to pressurized containers
as a transportation method. There are references to transporting
sulphur as a liquid in insulated heated containers even cargo ships.
SarahRose
Werner
Reply to @Corrie
Weatherfield: So it appears that it's normal to transport sulfur in a
liquid state and that this is what the story refers to, not to sulfuric
acid.
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: not so sure of that . . . the car that is crossed on the tracks
(photos 2 & 5) is identified as the car in question . . . to me it
looks like a normal tank car without any special heating system . . .
Corrie Weatherfield
Reply to @SarahRose
Werner: OKAY, I'll back down . . . under a search for transporting
liquid sulphur by rail I found a detailed report on the subject that
said something about 10 to 14 days at a certain temperature in an
insulated car is what is done . . .and the pictures look a lot like the
car in question . . . just that I am always suspicious of any report
related to the financial family of NB
David Amos
Reply to @Corrie Weatherfield: Sure Brucy Baby
Gabriel Boucher
"Mary Keith, a spokesperson for JDI, said the track was inspected Friday and no issues were reported."
How convenient... Setting the stage for negligence once more.
David Amos
Reply to @Gabriel Boucher: Methinks it looks like the problem was with CN's train not the Irving's tracks N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Methinks folks should ask where the potash is coming from and why N'esy Pas?
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @David Amos: locally sourced? Didn't you get your wish when you protested out front in Sussex like a mo r on?
Dan Stewart
Reply to @David Amos: Why does it matter where it came from?
Ray Oliver
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Reply to @David Amos: Wish I had the free time you did doing that! Davey Boy is your CERB more than your social assistance? Methinks you riding pretty high right now Lee ccch
Reply to @David Amos: Wish I had the free time you did doing that! Davey Boy is your CERB more than your social assistance? Methinks you riding pretty high right now Lee ccch
Jef Cronkhite
Somebody needs to take the Irving's toys away before someone gets seriously hurt! This is happening WAY too often!
Chuck Gendron
If it wasn't for Irving there would be no railroad left in Saint John, then these products would go by truck.
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: It says it was a CN train not the Irving owned New Brunswick Southern Railway.
David Amos
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Methinks you and the irving Clan are buddies just like Higgy is N'esy Pas?
Lou Bell
Reply to @David Amos: How'd the 5 member Leadership Convention of the " Me Part " go ? Did Terry challnge for the leadership ? How were the donuts at Timmies ?? Is the caucu ALL 5 members ?
Dan Stewart
Reply to @David Amos: Hi there Dave! Still looking for a lawyer or just some attention today?
Ray Oliver
Reply to @Dan
Stewart: Dont you know he "sues" lawyers? Be careful hes a real shark
when it comes to that. When hes not lighty doing some bounty hunting for
Whitey Bulger that is...
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Ray Oliver:
He does seem to be fixated on them for sure. But then again when you
think everyone is a lawyer that wouldn't be heard.
Dan Stewart
Reply to @Dan Stewart: Sorry that is Hard not heard.. wouldn't want to get sued by someone over a typo !
Buddy Best
Reply to @Chuck Gendron: Your wrong of course. We might even have passenger service here. Irving defenders make me puke.
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