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Defeated Green candidate Serge Brideau arrived with a small group of his campaign workers.
Brideau had stopped in earlier to congratulate Liberal leader Susan Holt on beating him in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-St. Isidore.
For his second appearance, he brought his guitar. Soon he was performing Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash and songs by his own folk-rock band, Les Hôtesses d'Hilaire.
Brideau performs at the Liberal byelection victory party at a downtown Bathurst pub Monday night while Holt supporter Stephanie Tomlinson, in white, and Holt's chief of staff Alaina Lockhart stand by and watch. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
The remaining Liberals, including Holt's chief of staff Alaina Lockhart and former Bathurst MLA Brian Kenny, seemed alternately bemused and confused as their celebration started to look more like a Green hoedown.
Not a bad metaphor for Monday's byelection results, come to think of it.
Province goes ahead with controversial blueberry development in N.B. northeast
Mayor of Tracadie says the municipality and the wishes of the community are being ignored
The former military shooting range covers about 20,000 hectares in northeastern New Brunswick.
The leases offer 100 acres to each of the growers, which the province said represents 11 per cent of the land on the former range.
Donald Arseneault, the general manager of N.B. Blueberries, which represents wild blueberry growers, and a former Liberal cabinet minister, said the decision was a matter of time.
"We're very happy that the government has prioritized blueberry development within our province and obviously in the Acadian Peninsula," Arseneault said.
Donald Arseneault, general manager of N.B. Blueberries, with president René Chiasson. Arseneault said the province's decision is a good one for blueberry growers in the region. (René Landry/Radio-Canada)
"It's an area [that] represents probably 65 to 70 per cent of the total industry. So it just makes common sense that we continue that growth."
An economic impact assessment requested by N.B. Blueberries said wild blueberry development is expected to generate more than $610 million in economic activity over the next 12 years in the northeast.
Heated debate
Protesters showed up at the N.B. Blueberries meeting in Saint-Isidore on Monday night after hearing of the government's decision, said Arseneault.
He said discussions became heated with a couple of people, but most protesters were peaceful.
"There's a lot of stuff that's been given to other stakeholders to try to find that middle ground over the past year," said Arseneault.
"The problem is that some of the loud voices within these protesters don't want to see any development of blueberries in the Tracadie range, and at the end of the day, is that fair? There are over 100 farmers in the wild blueberry sector in the Acadian Peninsula."
Mayor disappointed
Denis Losier, mayor of the regional municipality of Tracadie, said council is disappointed by the announcement. He said he's not against the blueberry industry, but the community feels there are enough blueberry fields already.
According to Losier, most of the community hoped the entire former range would be developed into land for fourism and recreation, such as hunting, fishing, cross-country skiing, cycling and recreational vehicles.
He said the position of the council and the community was clear.
Tracadie Mayor Denis Losier said the town council is disappointed by the province's decision to proceed with allowing wild blueberry development on the former military range. (Radio-Canada)
"We tried to make the government understand that the community does not want blueberries there at all," said Losier, in French. "Now we are realizing the government is not listening to the population and is not listening to the municipal council."
Arseneault said that Losier has refused to meet with the N.B. Blueberries organization.
Losier denied this, saying in French it's not that he does not want to meet but that he doesn't see the point. He said his constituents are against any development of blueberries at the former range, so he doesn't need anyone to explain the importance of it.
Last year, about 5,000 local residents signed a petition calling for a stop to the project after the call for proposals for the land was announced. About 200 people marched in protest.
Arseneault said he respects the opinions of the people against it, but suggested there is room for a variety of stakeholders on the property.
Losier said council will be following the file closely and will try to get the province to change its decision on the matter.
200 Tracadie residents call for halt to blueberry farm project
March organizers say the project would disrupt local wildlife, nearby rivers
The New Brunswick government has plans to build a blueberry farm on a 20,000-hectare plot of Crown land that previously housed a military shooting range.
Deforestation work for the project began last Thursday. That prompted anger in the community.
About 5,000 Tracadie residents out of a population of 15,000 have signed a petition to call for a stop to the project. They want public consultation.
Mathieu Allard, the president of Club Chasse & Peche and one of the march organizers, said the public should have been consulted from the start because this land has become an integral part of community living.
Mathieu Allard is the president of Club Chasse & Peche and one of the march organizers. (Yves Lévesques/RADIO-CANADA)
"There's a lot of blueberry fields around and we don't want any more," he said. "We're angry because that's the only piece of land left around for hunting, fishing and to do outside activities."
Allard said the deforestation involved in the project would disrupt local wildlife and the nearby Big Tracadie River.
He said the community first learned of the blueberry farm project last June and only heard back from the province two weeks ago.
Allard said he has since spoken with Agriculture Minister Margaret Johnson, but no solutions have been found.
He hopes the march Saturday makes it clear to the province that the community will not back down.
"Hopefully the message is being heard by the government," said Allard.
A large group of protesters marched in Tracadie on Saturday. (Yves Lévesques/RADIO-CANADA)
As of Sunday afternoon, Allard said he hadn't heard from any government officials in response to the march.
He said hopes to get some sign of hope in the coming days.
Johnson said conversations about this development are ongoing.
"In recent weeks and months my office has been in conversation with a number of individuals and organizations in the region, including the local MLA, the municipality, blueberry industry representatives, as well as hunting, fishing, wildlife and ATV groups," she said in an email.
She had no further comment.
Tracadie mayor says most community members against project
Tracadie Mayor Denis Losier said the community needs to be consulted before the project moves forward.
"It's on our territory," he said.
Denis Losier is Tracadie's mayor. (Yves Lévesques/RADIO-CANADA)
"When you're going to implement a major project like this, you need to involve your partners."
Allard said while Johnson has consulted with the group of concerned community members, he wants to speak with a wider range of government officials on the matter.
CBC News requested comment from the premier's office, but did not receive a response.
Corrections
- An earlier version of this story said blueberry development was planned for 20,000 hectares that once housed the Tracadie range. In fact, the development would be for about 1,900 hectares. Decontamination work now underway is not being done in the area of the planned blueberry development and is not related to it.Feb 07, 2022 10:24 AM AT
This is a gov. plan, not a forest companies. And, cant get rid of "the folks up north" so might as well try poisoning them! You are full of it. That is one asenign thing to say. Shame on you!
https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/Departments/nr-rn/pdf/en/ForestsCrownLands/TracadieRangeLandUsePlan.pdf
looks nice...
Methinks its best to allow Mother Nature to reclaim the land and restore it for the benefit of all our children N'esy Pas?
rather than blue berries.
Harper and Bankers
Growing food stuffs on Contaminated Land or using Contaminated Water results in Contaminated food stuff's.
Blaine Higgs wins New Brunswick Progressive Conservative leadership race
Former finance minister wins 1,563 votes on 3rd ballot, defeating former Saint John mayor Mel Norton
The final ballot came down to two Saint John-area candidates, a region considered a stronghold for the Tories after the 2014 election.
Higgs won 1,563 votes on the final ballot, beating former Saint John mayor Mel Norton.
The 62-year-old former finance minister led on every ballot, while Norton finished second in each of the three rounds of voting.
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Higgs told the crowd that he intends to do politics differently as leader.
Higgs, who was an executive with Irving Oil Ltd. before entering politics in 2010, said he understands he has a lot of work to do as the new Tory leader.
"We have a party to rebuild, we have a party to unite, but guess what, we are the party for the future of this province because we are uniting people across party lines," he said at the main convention venue in Fredericton.
"We are bringing a new message to politics."
Higgs was able to pick up some support from other candidates, such as Jean Dubé and Mike Allen, heading into the final ballot.
Former finance minister Blaine Higgs won the Progressive Conservative leadership in New Brunswick in a three-ballot race on Saturday. (Paul Hantiuk/CBC)
However, Moncton lawyer Monica Barley, who earlier in the day had picked up the endorsements of Jake Stewart and Brian Macdonald, encouraged her supporters to back Norton.
Norton, who was considered one of the front-runners heading into Saturday's vote, saluted Higgs on his victory.
This was Norton's first foray into provincial politics and he said he was proud of his campaign.
"We know that this an uncertain process, but we know that we have an incredible team. We had teams from Grand Manan Island right to Bathurst working to hold delegates and get them to vote," he said.
Liberals criticize Higgs
He also congratulated Higgs on his victory, but pointed out the party's security officers removed him from the convention hall earlier in the day.
"The first thing out of his mouth is that he is going to do politics differently, but he threw me out of the convention floor," Arseneault said.
Arseneault also said he does not believe Higgs has been able to expand the party's base out of southern regions of the province during the leadership race.
He said Higgs will now have to defend all his tough talk from his days as finance minister.
"For the last six years, his reputation has been about cut, cut, cut. He has never talked about opening up opportunities for the province, it was always doom and gloom," Arseneault said.
Higgs led on 1st, 2nd ballots
Former MP Mike Allen pledged his support to Blaine Higgs on the final ballot. Allen placed fourth on the second ballot. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
On the first ballot, Higgs had 1,228 votes, followed by Norton's 1,078 votes, Barley's 948 votes and Allen's 892 votes.
MLA Jake Stewart had 700 votes, followed by MLA Brian Macdonald with 605 votes and former MLA Jean Dubé with 39 votes.
On the second ballot, Higgs had 1,417 votes, followed by Norton's 993, Barley's 861 and Allen's 829.
The three candidates who dropped off the ballot quickly began moving to other camps.
After finishing in seventh position, Dubé announced he was backing Higgs, who called his lead on the first ballot "humbling."
The Quispamsis MLA said after the first ballot that he hoped his campaign's message was resonating.
"I'm hopeful that the message that I'm trying to send, a message that is basically about how we change, how we do business in the province, and how we change how we do politics in the province will carry, regardless of what camps do what in the process," he said.
2 candidates backed Barley
Mel Norton and Moncton lawyer Monica Barley hug after the second ballot results were announced. Barley put her support behind Norton on the third ballot. (Julianne Hazlewood/CBC)
Barley could not pull into second place in the latest ballot despite picking up support from Macdonald and Stewart after the first ballot.
Stewart said he chose to back Barley as she was the only one who would listen to him on controversial language issues.
"She is the only one who will touch the language file," he said. "I have worked with all six of them. And she is the only one who believes in change on that file."
Stewart has been openly critical of Katherine D'Entremont, the commissioner of official languages, during his leadership campaign.
Barley was asked whether she thought the languages commissioner should be fired.
"What I can say is that the language commissioner should be a position that is bringing us together, and she's not doing that and we have to rectify that," Barley said.
Former Saint John mayor Mel Norton shook hands of supporters in Fredericton after finishing second on the final ballot. (Paul Hantiuk/CBC)
There are also smaller voting locations on Grand Manan Island, Deer Island, and Campobello Island.
The leadership race began when former premier David Alward resigned after his government was defeated by Brian Gallant's Liberals in 2014.
The Liberals have 26 seats in the legislature, the Progressive Conservatives have 22 and there is one Green MLA.
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"Higgs will now have to defend all his tough talk from his days as finance minister. For the last six years, his reputation has been about cut, cut, cut. He has never talked about opening up opportunities for the province, it was always doom and gloom,"
Methinks Arseneault changed his tune this week N'esy Pas?
Province goes ahead with controversial blueberry development in N.B. northeast
Mayor of Tracadie says the municipality and the wishes of the community are being ignored
Vanessa Moreau · CBC News · Posted: May 02, 2023 4:54 PM ADT
"Donald Arseneault, general manager of N.B. Blueberries, with president René Chiasson. Arseneault said the province's decision is a good one for blueberry growers in the region."
He also congratulated Higgs on his victory, but pointed out the party's security officers removed him from the convention hall earlier in the day."
Anybody notice that the clown failed to say why he was removed?
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Onetime Liberal cabinet minister hits comeback trail with bid for party leadership
Donald Arseneault sees his length of time in office as competitive advantage
Arseneault says his time in office, including two stints in cabinet under two Liberal premiers, will be an advantage against other, less experienced leadership candidates.
"I understand that some people look at me like I've been around for a bit," he said. "But I want to take that as a positive, because I know how to get things done. I've done it and I've got good experience with it."
Arseneault said however he's surrounding himself with "fresh faces," because there are many New Brunswickers "who've never really got involved but who've got great ideas. They don't know how to maybe bring it to the next step. I can make that happen."
Former federal Liberal MP T.J. Harvey is the only other officially declared candidate in the race so far. Harvey served one term as MP for Tobique-Mactaquac before leaving politics.
Campaign marks return to politics after controversy
Arseneault's entry represents a comeback four years after he quit the legislature during a conflict-of-interest controversy.
He resigned a year ahead of his planned retirement after it was revealed he was taking a part-time job as a trade union lobbyist in Ottawa while planning to continue as an MLA.
That didn't violate New Brunswick's lax conflict-of-interest rules, but the opposition argued it created a "perceived" conflict. Then-PC Opposition leader Blaine Higgs called the affair "an example of politics at its worst."
Premier Brian Gallant eventually said the same thing and insisted Arseneault either quit the new job or resign his seat.
Donald Arseneault speaks to reporters in 2017 after announcing he was resigning as the MLA for Campbellton-Dalhousie as a result of a conflict of interest controversy. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Arseneault pointed out Thursday that the conflict of interest commissioner at the time "gave me the okay and that was made public as well."
"Unfortunately in politics, politics is perception. They made an issue in the legislature and I decided at that time I didn't want to take attention away from the real issues we had to deal with at the time."
History in N.B. politics
Arseneault was first elected in 2003 and quickly became known for his combative and partisan style.
He was part of the Shawn Graham cabinet that tried to sell NB Power to Hydro-Quebec and that awarded $50 million in loans and loan guarantees to the Atcon group of companies.
In 2015, back in power under Gallant, Arseneault resisted calls for more funding for a new investigation by Auditor-General Kim MacPherson into Atcon.
"She can do more work with the resources she has within her budget," he said.
Competition against former federal Liberal M.P.
Harvey, who announced his leadership campaign in June, called Arseneault a friend and welcomed him into the race.
But he contrasted his own private sector experience and a single four-year term in the House of Commons with Arseneault's long tenure in the legislature.
T.J. Harvey was the M.P. for Tobique-Mactaquac from 2015 to 2019. (Submitted)
"Everybody brings different qualities to a leadership race and certainly my qualities are informed by my life experiences and my work in the private sector, in agriculture, in transportation and in processing and manufacturing," he said.
"Don's absolutely right, he was a sitting MLA and minister under Shawn Graham's government and Brian Gallant's government. He brings a lot of experiences based on his time in office and I think his record speaks for itself."
Harvey declined to characterize that record, but said his own approach in government would be more inclusive than Graham and Gallant had been as premiers.
During the 2017 controversy over his part-time lobbying job, he revealed he'd held a paying position with the same union from 2010 to 2014, when he was an opposition MLA.
That income was not listed on Arseneault's public conflict declaration forms during that period. Members list other employment under a section called "financial and business interests."
Arseneault helped run the 2020 provincial Liberal campaign that saw Premier Blaine Higgs turn his minority government into a majority in the legislature.
Looking to better provincial government
He said Thursday voters were happy with how Higgs and Dr. Jennifer Russell had managed the COVID-19 pandemic and "they didn't want to take a chance to change government at that time. We felt that."
Now he says Higgs has divided the province, alienating Indigenous people and front-line health-care workers. He accused the premier of using federal transfers meant for COVID relief and health care to pad his budget surpluses.
"Here's a man and a government that has a calculator where their heart should be," he said.
Arseneault said he'll focus on "people, families and the economy" if he becomes premier and said affordable housing, soaring property assessments and other cost-of-living issues will be part of his agenda.
The provincial Liberals haven't set a date yet for the leadership vote.
Blaine Higgs wins New Brunswick Progressive Conservative leadership race
Former finance minister wins 1,563 votes on 3rd ballot, defeating former Saint John mayor Mel Norton
Daniel McHardie · CBC News · Posted: Oct 22, 2016 3:54 PM ADT | Last Updated: October 23, 2016
"Liberal cabinet minister Donald Arseneault spoke to reporters after the final results were released.
He also congratulated Higgs on his victory, but pointed out the party's security officers removed him from the convention hall earlier in the day.
"The first thing out of his mouth is that he is going to do politics differently, but he threw me out of the convention floor," Arseneault said.
Arseneault also said he does not believe Higgs has been able to expand the party's base out of southern regions of the province during the leadership race.
He said Higgs will now have to defend all his tough talk from his days as finance minister.
"For the last six years, his reputation has been about cut, cut, cut. He has never talked about opening up opportunities for the province, it was always doom and gloom," Arseneault said."
Fewer than 10,000 seize chance to choose New Brunswick's next Liberal leader
More than twice as many registered for last leadership vote 10 years ago
Around 9,400 people have signed up to cast ballots, according to a party document Thursday obtained by CBC News.
That compares to about 19,000 who signed up to vote in the 2012 race when Brian Gallant was elected leader.
"For sure, we've seen a trend where it's increasingly more difficult to engage people in mainstream politics, and I think we've suffered from that in this province," said leadership candidate and former MP T.J. Harvey
Leadership candidate T.J. Harvey says it's become more difficult to get people involved in 'mainstream politics.'
But he said the Liberal numbers compared favourably to the 5,490 people who voted in the first round of the 2016 Progressive Conservative leadership race that chose Blaine Higgs.
"For me as a candidate, it's all a matter of perspective," Harvey said, saying 9,400 registrations for a leadership vote taking place in August speaks well of the party's future.
Candidate Susan Holt said the 2012 leadership race "feels like a lifetime ago."
"Honestly, a lot has happened in New Brunswick politics in the last 10 years," she said, including breakthroughs by the Green Party and the People's Alliance that have cut into traditional voting patterns.
Turn out low elsewhere
The deadline for people to sign up as Liberals and register to vote was June 15.
The low number was tallied at around the same time the party lost two byelections to the Progressive Conservatives, including Miramichi Bay-Neguac, a seat the Liberals won in the last election.
Holt pointed out that turnout in both those byelections was also low, at about 42 to 43 per cent.
"I think that's people telling us, and I've heard it, that politics as usual isn't working anymore. They're checked out. They're not interested, because we've been dealing with so many problems on a global scale."
“I think that’s people telling us, and I’ve heard it, that politics as usual isn’t working anymore,' candidate Susan Holt says of the number who want to take part in Liberal leadership contest. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Holt said that's why the Liberal Party needs to change and offer voters something different.
Harvey attributed the low number compared to 2012 to the COVID-19 pandemic and people's desire to focus on their families, particularly children who were affected by public health measures.
"I think people are disconnected on a lot of fronts … and I think people feel this political cycle has been spinning pretty fast lately," with two federal elections, two provincial elections and municipal elections in the last four years in New Brunswick.
Candidate Robert Gauvin made similar points.
"It's not unique to our party, but of course we still have to work and try to get people re-engaged."
Varying enthusiasm
The party said the number of registered voters may fluctuate because some people who signed up are still having their paperwork checked.
The number of registrations on the document from Thursday, 9,390, works out to an average of 192 voters per riding.
But the actual numbers vary widely in each constituency. Caraquet, a Liberal stronghold, has the most members registered with 446, while Riverview and Gagetown-Petitcodiac are tied with the fewest member, at 75 each.
However, under the Liberal voting system each riding carries equal weight in the leadership race.
The system awards 100 points per riding based on the percentage of the vote each candidate gets in the riding.
In 2019 the Liberals chose Kevin Vickers as leader to replace Brian Gallant, but he was acclaimed so there was no race involving people signing up to vote.
Leadership candidate Donald Arseneault turned down an interview request, and party president Brian Murphy did not respond to a request for comment.
NEWS FLASH... ... ... Perhaps Canadians have been and now are so tired to hear the same ole you know what, regardless of the party. How many times do you hear that people are sick and tired of voting for the least of the worst. Our politics and this country has only one way to go, and it's not the good way. How far down the toilet will it take before REAL change come along, if ever.
Most popular NDP candidate questions party's future after dismal election
Jean-Maurice Landry said the party ignored his ideas to support northern New Brunswick
The most successful NDP candidate from last week's New Brunswick election is not convinced the party will survive after its dismal showing at the polls, at least in his part of the province.
"I'm not too sure about the NDP's future in the north because of the way they conducted the campaign," said Jean-Maurice Landry.
"There's certainly room for a third party in northern New Brunswick — as to which one, time will tell."
Landry, a blueberry grower and activist, put up a scrappy fight against Liberal cabinet minister and five-term MLA Denis Landry in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore. He finished second with 30 per cent of the vote, eating deeply into Liberal support even as the provincial NDP was melting away around him.
The 2,026 votes cast for Landry was triple what the NDP managed in the riding in the past election and 90 per cent higher than what any other NDP candidate in the province received.
It was also more than double the votes cast for leader Jennifer McKenzie in Saint John Harbour.
Jean-Maurice Landry, NDP candidate for Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-Saint-Isidore, more than doubled the number of votes earned by NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie. (Photo: CBC)
Still, Landry believes he could have done better.
He said the party rejected his platform ideas about the need for greater help for northern communities and sent him organizational help only in the final two weeks of the campaign when it became obvious he alone was connecting with voters.
Landry said he was further handicapped by missing the first 10 days of the campaign while tending to his blueberry harvest.
In 2016, blueberry grower Jean-Maurice Landry led a local protest over low prices in front of the offices of local Liberal MLA Denis Landry in Saint-Isidore,before running against the cabinet minister in September's general election for the NDP. He finished second with 30 per cent of the vote, the best result for the NDP in the province. (CBC)
"We knew we were going to get a good result, but we simply ran out of time," said Landry.
"The result did not surprise me."
Worst result in 44 years
In an election where New Brunswick voters were moving their support in large numbers to alternative parties, like the Greens and People's Alliance, the NDP struggled to appeal to the public and was mostly ignored.
The party attracted just over 19,000 votes on election night — a 60 per cent drop from 2014 and its worst result in a provincial New Brunswick election in 44 years.
In 1974, it won 9,000 votes after fielding a limited number of 35 candidates.
On election night last week, NDP Leader Jennifer McKenzie declared the party "is back" but given mostly poor results all around the province that sounded optimistic.
NDP support dropped to one per cent in some ridings and, of its 49 candidates, only Landry got enough votes to qualify for campaign expense reimbursements from Elections New Brunswick, which are payable to those with 15 per cent of the vote or more.
"The north is a very fertile ground. I think my campaign has proven that," said Landry.
"When you look at five per cent provincially and 30 per cent here in this riding, I think we did something right."
'Local people's issues were not well reflected'
Landry's campaign focused on the north not getting the same share of road and job creation money as southern New Brunswick and other local issues he said he could not interest the provincial party in highlighting.
"Local people's issues were not well reflected in the different parties' platforms, including the NDP," he said. "We are considered a remote area when in reality we are closer to Montreal and Toronto than Fredericton, Moncton or Saint John. The NDP was not too keen on making our local platform here public."
Landry said it is "too soon" for him to consider whether he will run again and, if he does, whether it will be as a New Democrat.
But he does question whether it makes sense for the Green Party and the NDP to both be running candidates against one another in future elections.
"Given the current situation, that may have to be reconsidered," he said.
Wins are wins for N.B. Liberals, but Greens celebrate too
Monday’s byelection results preserve the political status quo. That could be good news for PC government
Defeated Green candidate Serge Brideau arrived with a small group of his campaign workers.
Brideau had stopped in earlier to congratulate Liberal leader Susan Holt on beating him in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-St. Isidore.
For his second appearance, he brought his guitar. Soon he was performing Folsom Prison Blues by Johnny Cash and songs by his own folk-rock band, Les Hôtesses d'Hilaire.
Brideau performs at the Liberal byelection victory party at a downtown Bathurst pub Monday night while Holt supporter Stephanie Tomlinson, in white, and Holt's chief of staff Alaina Lockhart stand by and watch. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
The remaining Liberals, including Holt's chief of staff Alaina Lockhart and former Bathurst MLA Brian Kenny, seemed alternately bemused and confused as their celebration started to look more like a Green hoedown.
Not a bad metaphor for Monday's byelection results, come to think of it.
As expected, the Liberals swept the three races, in Bathurst East-Nepisiguit-St. Isidore, Restigouche-Chaleur and Dieppe. All three had been Liberal before.
More importantly, Holt got into the legislature, allowing her to go toe-to-toe in debates with Premier Blaine Higgs, whom she hopes to defeat in next year's provincial election.
But the Greens nonetheless squeezed their way into the political frame — or at least avoided being squeezed out.
Brideau got 35.4 per cent of the vote against Holt, almost tripling the Green share in the riding last time.
"I gained a lot and I'm back in 2024, for sure," he said.
In Restigouche-Chaleur, Green candidate Rachel Boudreau got more than 30 per cent of the vote, second to winner Marco LeBlanc. (Serge Bouchard/Radio-Canada)
In Restigouche-Chaleur, Green candidate Rachel Boudreau, a former mayor, got 31.6 per cent of the vote, placing second to winner Marco LeBlanc. Progressive Conservative Anne Bard-Lavigne trailed with 15.8 per cent.
And in Dieppe, where Liberal Richard Losier scooped up more than two-thirds of the vote, the Greens had 18.8 per cent, compared to a dismal 8.6 per cent for the third-place PCs.
The Tories didn't run a candidate against Holt.
"It's interesting to see that in New Brunswick, for francophones at this moment, the second party is not the Conservatives, it's the Greens," says Roger Ouellette, a political scientist at the University of Moncton.
The Green vote wasn't enough to win in three traditionally Liberal strongholds.
But if the party's support improves at the same rate in ridings that are less reliably Liberal, it could make it difficult for Holt to become premier in 2024.
Ouellette pointed out that the Greens have also been competitive in the mostly anglophone southern part of the province.
"We will see in the next election if the Greens stay in touch with voters and are able to have good candidates like this time and obtain some votes," Ouellette said.
In Dieppe, Liberal Richard Losier scooped up more than two-thirds of the vote. (Michelle LeBlanc/Radio-Canada)
"Maybe it will split the vote and it will be an advantage for the Conservatives."
In that sense, Monday's results represent no change to the existing dynamic in New Brunswick politics.
A best-ever for the Greens still isn't a breakthrough. Wins are wins: Holt will be in the legislature and Brideau won't. There'll be no crashing that party.
Holt argued the approach that led to her victory can be applied province-wide.
"People have lost faith in politics and government. So giving them hope that it can change is hard work that we need to do everywhere, because I don't think any vote can be taken for granted," she said Monday night.
Capturing traditional Liberal ridings, however, is a lot easier than building party support in areas where the PCs remain strong.
Sure, the Tories remain equally dead on arrival in most francophone areas — something Higgs blamed on the Liberals, telling reporters his opponents benefit from language divisions.
"I feel that we see that politically in the province, where there's certainly a value for the Liberals to maintain a political divide along linguistic lines," he said.
Higgs said given the history of the ridings, "the probability is low" that his party would win them anytime soon.
But he has shown in two straight elections that he doesn't need to do well in those places to win.
If Monday's results represent a political status quo, frozen in place — the Liberals with a Green problem, and the Greens with a Liberal problem — that's good news for the leader, and the party, already in power.
one cannot be bemused and confused.
The history of those ridings actually show that with a good leader and good candidates the PC’s can and have won those ridings.
But the premier would have to admit he’s not a leader for the citizens of those ridings, so it’s much easier to blame the liberals for "political linguistic divide" which is something he’s been assiduously working at ever since he got to be premier.
Also, he calls the PC party "his party", it’s not, it’s the members party that he happens to be the elected leader of, he can be replaced, the sooner the better.
Reply to Al Clark
Methinks everybody knows he is far too big for that job N'esy Pas?
Reply to Michael Cain
A "Gallant type" government during the same period would have added another billion or so to the debt, and we'd still be no better off.
Voters will eventually decide if they want responsible government or more bloated liberal spending.
BTW, he probably improved his "deflecting off topic" by watching Trudeau.
Reply to Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
Reply to Michael Cain
Is there a link for that?
Reply to Michael Cain
Reply to Michael Cain
As to history, your version is obviously biased in the left leaning direction, so we'll just leave it at that. Mine tends to be more open minded.
Any country burdened in debt is doing nothing for the health of its citizens.
A prosperous/thriving economy under Conservatives always results in a positive environment for employers to build and invest, and create more good paying jobs so the middle class will be able to afford to live. The car will not have to be sold to pay the mortgage because interest rates won't be going up as a result of government-created inflationary pressures.
People will indeed thrive and be healthy doing so
Reply to Bob Smith
previous sentence:
"The Tories didn't run a candidate against Holt."
Reply to Al Clark
Reply to Don Corey
So Higgy is the lesser of two evil politicians?
Your preference would appear to be for wasteful/bloated spending and huge deficits.
It's the easy way to go for politicians, and gets lots of votes from those who love the liberal focus on socialism and income redistribution.
It's not "free money" though, and taxpayers ultimately pay the price.
You can only kick the can so far down the road before the time comes for payback.
Reply to Don Corey
Thursday, 23 March 2023
Higgs calls 3 byelections in former Liberal ridings for April 24
RE Higgs calls 3 byelections in former Liberal ridings for April 24
Amanda Wildeman<amanda.wildeman@greenpartynb.ca> | Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:48 AM |
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | |
Cc: rachel.restigouchechaleur@gmail.com, Claire Kelly-Orozco <claire.kelly-orozco@greenpartynb.ca> | |
Hello Rachel and Claire, In
case you are uncertain what to do with this email, he is one of few
people that regularly spams the office(s), I do not recommend replying
at all, but obviously that is your choice. Thanks, Amanda |
From: "Lefty Morrill, New Brunswick New Democratic Party" <info@nbndp.ca>
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:00:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: C'est parti ! Les candidats aux élections partielles du NPD
sont annoncés ! // It's on! NDP candidates for the by-elections
announced!
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
It's on! NDP by-election candidates announced!
[image]
[English follows]
Je suis ravi d'annoncer que le Nouveau Parti démocratique du
Nouveau-Brunswick (NPDN) présentera des candidats dans les trois
circonscriptions lors des prochaines élections partielles.
Alex White, chef du NBNDP, sera le candidat dans
Bathurst-Est-Nepisiguit-Saint-
de longue date et un dirigeant du NPD.
En annonçant sa candidature, M. White a déclaré : " Les gens du
Nouveau-Brunswick méritent de voir ce qu'un vrai parti progressiste
peut faire. Un parti qui défendra les travailleurs, les femmes et les
minorités. Un parti qui n'aura pas peur de demander des comptes au
gouvernement et qui s'efforcera d'améliorer les conditions de travail
de manière significative. Un parti qui défendra le Nouveau-Brunswick
et les Néo-Brunswickois !
Faites du bénévolat pour aider nos candidats à gagner !
Cyprien Okana sera le candidat du NBNDP dans la circonscription de
Dieppe (17). Ancien[image] président du NBNDP, M. Okana est bien connu
comme chef de file dans son quartier et dans son église, travaillant
continuellement et activement à l'amélioration de sa communauté.
Alex Gagne a été annoncé comme candidat dans Restigouche-Chaleur (03).
M. Gagne a été actif au sein de l'aile [image]jeunesse du parti et
occupe actuellement le poste de vice-président du parti provincial.
Faites un don maintenant pour nous aider à gagner !
Les enjeux sont considérables à l'heure actuelle dans toute la
province. Les soins de santé, le logement, l'éducation ne sont que
quelques-unes des questions vitales auxquelles nous sommes confrontés
en tant que Néo-Brunswickois.
Nos candidats sont prêts et motivés.
Donnons-leur le soutien dont ils ont besoin en faisant des dons et du bénévolat.
Ensemble, nous gagnerons,
Lefty Morrill
Directeur exécutif
NPD NB
______________________________
I am thrilled to announce that the New Brunswick New Democratic Party
(NBNDP) will be running candidates in all three ridings in the
upcoming by-elections.
NBNDP Leader Alex White will be the candidate in Bathurst
East-Nepisiguit-Saint Isidore (05). He is a long-time activist and
officer in the NDP.
In announcing his candidacy, White said, "The people of New Brunswick
deserve to see what a true progressive party can do. One that will
stand up for workers, for women, for minorities. One that will not be
afraid to hold the government to account and will push to improve
conditions in a meaningful way. A party that will stand up for New
Brunswick and New Brunswickers!"
Volunteer to help our candidates win!
Cyprien Okana will be the NBNDP candidate in the Dieppe (17) riding. A
past president of the NBNDP, Okana is well-known as a leader in his
neighbourhood and his church, continuously and actively working to
improve his community.
Alex Gagne was announced as the candidate in Restigouche-Chaleur (03).
Gagne has [image] been active in the youth wing of the party and
currently serves as the vice-president of the provincial party.
Donate now to help us win!
There’s a lot at stake right now across the province. Healthcare,
housing, education are just some of the vital issues we’re facing as
New Brunswickers.
Our candidates are ready and fired up.
Let’s give them the support they need by donating and volunteering.
Together we will win,
Lefty Morrill
Executive Director
NB NDP
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Sunday, 9 April 2023
Candidates confirmed for April 24 byelections
Attn Serge Brideau I just called Correct?
David Amos<david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | Sun, Apr 9, 2023 at 4:24 PM |
To: serge.brideau@greenpartynb.ca, chantalglandry@gmail.com, rachel.restigouchechaleur@gmail.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com, andre <andre@jafaust.com> | |
Cc: "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, saillant.richard@gmail.com, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca, chris.o'connell@gnb.ca, "Michael.Duheme" <Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Dominic.Cardy" <Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "Jacques.Poitras" <Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, "robert.mckee" <robert.mckee@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin" <robert.gauvin@gnb.ca>, "jacques.j.leblanc" <jacques.j.leblanc@gnb.ca> | |
Sunday, 9 April 2023 Candidates confirmed for April 24 byelections |
YO Mayor Losier Remember me? Why not ask Donald Arseneault or Higgy et al why I don't care about your concerns about blueberries today
David Amos<david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> | Wed, May 3, 2023 at 2:07 PM |
To: info@tracadienb.ca, Info@vitalitenb.ca, jean-rene.noel@vitalitenb.ca, oldmaison@yahoo.com, "hugh.flemming" <hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ginette.PetitpasTaylor" <Ginette.PetitpasTaylor@parl.gc.ca>, sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca, Newsroom@globeandmail.com, "Nathalie.G.Drouin" <Nathalie.G.Drouin@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com, Nathalie.Sturgeon@globalnews.ca, silas.brown@globalnews.ca, huras.adam@brunswicknews.com, Kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca, Serge.Cormier@parl.gc.ca, media@horizonnb.ca, "rob.moore" <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, david.akin@globalnews.ca, "Robert. Jones" <Robert.Jones@cbc.ca>, ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca, "pierre.poilievre" <pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca>, news@chco.tv, Annie.Levasseur@chautva.com, "Rhonda.Brown" <Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca> | |
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "bruce.fitch" <bruce.fitch@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>, "kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "Mike.Comeau" <Mike.Comeau@gnb.ca>, "Michael.Duheme" <Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, "Mitton, Megan (LEG)" <megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, "Arseneau, Kevin (LEG)" <kevin.a.arseneau@gnb.ca>, "Kevin.leahy" <Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> | |
Bleuets NB Blueberries is an agency representing approximately 200 wild blueberry producers across New Brunswick. New Brunswick produces, on average, 50 million pounds of wild blueberries per year. Rep/Contact Info Donald Arseneault Executive Director Phone: (506) 260-5771 https://www.cbc.ca/news/ On 2/27/20, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > Media Contacts > > Media requests > 506-544-3678 > > Jean-René Noël > Regional Director of Communications > jean-rene.noel@vitalitenb.ca > > Thomas Lizotte > Regional Media Relations Advisor > thomas.lizotte@vitalitenb.ca > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Info (VitaliteNB)" <Info@vitalitenb.ca> > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 15:51:38 +0000 > Subject: Réseau de santé Vitalité Health Network > To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > > Nous accusons réception de votre courriel. Un suivi sera fait dès que > possible. > > Veuillez prendre note que les messages reçus à cette adresse > électronique sont vérifiés seulement durant les heures d'ouverture de > nos bureaux, soit de 8 heures à 16 heures du lundi au vendredi. Si > vous avez besoin d'une aide immédiate, composez le 911 ou communiquez > avec l'hôpital le plus près. > > Merci! > > > > We acknowledge receipt of your e-mail. A follow-up will be done as > soon as possible. > > Please note that messages received at this e-mail address will be > checked during our office hours only, i.e. between 8 a.m. and 4 p.m., > Monday through Friday. If you need immediate assistance, dial 911 or > contact the nearest hospital. > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 11:51:33 -0400 > Subject: YO Mayor Losier ask Norma McGraw or Higgy et al if I am a liar or > not > To: info@tracadie-sheila.ca, "benoit.bourque" <benoit.bourque@gnb.ca>, > premier <premier@gnb.ca>, Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca, info@vitalitenb.ca, > patty.hajdu@parl.gc.ca, Matt.Jeneroux@parl.gc.ca > Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, premier.ministre@gnb.ca, > nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com, Nathalie Sturgeon > <sturgeon.nathalie@ > <Newsroom@globeandmail.com>, "steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, > "sylvie.gadoury" <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada. > <barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca > > http://www.tracadie-sheila.ca/ > > First row: Denis Poirier (General manager), Denis Losier (Mayor) and > Joey Thibodeau (Municipal clerk) > > Second row: Norma McGraw (Councillor -Ward 2), Dianna May Savoie > (Councillor - Ward 8), Réaldine Robichaud (Councillor - Ward 5), > Ginette Brideau Kervin (Councillor - Ward 4), Raymonde Robichaud > (Councillor - Ward 1) > > Third row: André Saulnier (Councillor - Ward 7), Jolain Doiron > (Councillor – Ward 3), Geoffrey Saulnier (Councillor - Ward 6), Denis > McLaughlin (Councillor - Ward 7) and Jean-Yves McGraw (Councillor - > Ward 8) > > 3267, Principale St. > C.P. 3600 Succ. Bureau-Chef > Tracadie-Sheila, NB E1X 1G5 > > Phone: 506.394.4020 > Fax: 506.394.4025 > Email: info@tracadienb.ca > > > https://www.cbc.ca/news/ > > Vice-chair of the Vitalité health network's board resigns over health > reform plan > > Norma McGraw left position Monday > Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Feb 26, 2020 12:49 PM AT > > > "McGraw said Wednesday she felt "a moral obligation" to resign because > it wasn't possible to represent New Brunswickers on the board with a > lack of transparency. > > Her announcement added more fuel to calls already made by several > mayors in the Acadian Peninsula that Lanteigne resign as CEO. > > "All Gilles Lanteigne deserves is to be shown the door," Tracadie > mayor Denis Losier said Wednesday. His council passed a motion Tuesday > night calling for the CEO to resign. > > Asked last week about the calls for him to step down, Lanteigne said > he welcomed a debate about ideas on health reform but said it > shouldn't be made personal. > > McGraw said Wednesday that New Brunswickers should lobby for the two > health authority CEOs to be chosen by the boards, and not by the > provincial government." > > > 66 Comments > > David Amos 10 hours ago > I have talked to Norma McGraw before. The nice lady remembered me > immediately when I talked to her again this evening She was curious > about what was being said of her in CBC but no longer cared about the > Vitalité health network doings because she had quit. Whereas she did > not care about my concerns with them I let he go to her council > meeting. I will likely never call her again. I did leave messages for > a couple other Town Councilors and the Mayor. One fella did call me > back but I was not impressed and doubt that he believed what I was > trying to tell him because he laughed too much at my plight. So I > decided to mind my own business and not care if Lanteigne keeps his > job and just continue with my plan to sue the government in order to > get my Medicare Card and my money back from Vitalité. > > Lets just say i had enough of this Health Care BS after talking the > PANB leader on live Rogers TV and being cut off while the same dudes > allowed Higgy's buddy Chucky Leblanc go on and on for about 5 minutes > about his contempt for Vickers et al. « less > > Marc Martin 3 hours ago > Reply to @David Amos: We don't care. > > David Amos 1 hour ago > Reply to @Marc Martin: Who is we? You and Higgy? > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 21:02:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on Rogers TV and > they cut me off > To: Gerry.Lowe@gnb.ca, "Jennifer.duggan" > <Jennifer.duggan@rcmp-grc.gc. > <Sandra.lofaro@rcmp-grc.gc.ca> > "Roger.Brown" <Roger.Brown@fredericton.ca>, > bachfoundation@horizonnb.ca, chalmers.foundation@horizonnb. > MelanieDawn.Cameron@horizonnb. > bpendrel@xplornet.com, joyvantassel@hotmail.com, > mrhfoundation@horizonnb.ca, smhfoundation@horizonnb.ca, > 1945smha@gmail.com, SJRH.Foundation@horizonnb.ca, > SCCRFoundation@horizonnb.ca, urvhfoundation@horizonnb.ca, > "jordan.gill" <jordan.gill@cbc.ca>, info@vitalitenb.ca, > info@chautva.com, Annie.Levasseur@chautva.com, oldmaison@yahoo.com, > nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com, darsenault@allnovascotia.com, > huras.adam@brunswicknews.com, bajer.erica@brunswicknews.com, > dgnews@brunswicknews.com, restigouche@acadienouvelle.com > <news@chco.tv>, nouvelles@cimt.ca, mike.cameron3@bellmedia.ca, > "steve.murphy" <steve.murphy@ctv.ca>, callum.smith@globalnews.ca, > megan.yamoah@globalnews.ca, silas.brown@globalnews.ca, > travis.fortnum@globalnews.ca, cbcnb@cbc.ca, "Bill.Morneau" > <Bill.Morneau@canada.ca>, "sylvie.gadoury" > <sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada. > "bruce.northrup" <bruce.northrup@gnb.ca>, > Michael.Duheme@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Qualite.Quality@vitalitenb.ca, > "Serge.Cormier" <Serge.Cormier@parl.gc.ca>, media@horizonnb.ca, > Kevhache@nb.sympatico.ca > Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "rob.moore" > <rob.moore@parl.gc.ca>, robmoorefundy <robmoorefundy@gmail.com>, > votejohnw <votejohnw@gmail.com> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Higgs, Premier Blaine (PO/CPM)" <Blaine.Higgs@gnb.ca> > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 00:51:52 +0000 > Subject: Automatic reply: I just caught Krissy Baby being a LIAR on > Rogers TV and they cut me off > To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. > > [Le français suit.] > > > > > Dear Sir/Madam: > > > > Thank you for taking the time to write to us. Due to the high volume > of emails that we receive daily, please note that there may be a delay > in our response. > > > > Thank you for your understanding. > > > If this is a Media Request, please contact the Premier’s office at > (506) 453-2144 > > > > Thank you > > ------------------------------ > > > > > Bonjour, > > > > Nous vous remercions d’avoir pris le temps de nous écrire. Tenant > compte du volume élevé de courriels que nous recevons quotidiennement, > il se peut qu’il y ait un délai dans notre réponse. > > > > Nous vous remercions de votre compréhension. > > > > S’il s’agit d’une demande des médias, veuillez communiquer avec le > Cabinet du premier ministre au 506-453-2144. > > > > Merci. > > > > > Office of the Premier/Cabinet du premier ministre > > P.O Box/C. P. 6000 Fredericton New-Brunswick/Nouveau- > Canada > > Tel./Tel. : (506) 453-2144 > > Email/Courriel: premier@gnb.ca/premier. > > > On 2/20/20, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch? >> >> Kris Austin, People's Alliance - Voice of the Province - February 20, >> 2020 >> 19 watching now >> >> Rogers tv >> 32.1K subscribers >> >> >> David AmosToo too Funny >> David AmosAsk Chucky why i was barred from the leg 2 years before he was >> David AmosAsk Austin what he thought of the email everyone including >> Chucky got on Feb 14th >> David AmosAsdk Austin what he thinks of my lawsuit against the Crown >> David AmosChucky did attend one of the hearings because he and >> Vickers are mentioned in the lawsuit >> David AmosI take false arrest very personally >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:59:18 -0400 >> Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false >> imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon >> want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of Office ) >> To: Rhonda.Brown@globalnews.ca, pm <pm@pm.gc.ca>, "Gerald.Butts" >> <Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "geoff.regan" <geoff.regan@parl.gc.ca>, >> "Katie.Telford" <Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>, "Ian.Shugart" >> <Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>, "ian.fahie" <ian.fahie@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, >> "andrew.scheer" <andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca> >> Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, david.akin@globalnews.ca >> >> Need I say that I am tired of being called a perennial candidate on TV? >> >> >> http://davidraymondamos3. >> >> >> Monday, 22 May 2017 >> >> Before writs were dropped in BC and NS The VERY UNETHICAL "Journalist" >> David Akin scores a new job as CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT Global >> News??? >> Methinks that by now mindless David Akin would have figured out that >> just like one of my favourite artists Gordy Lightfoot I am still alive >> and kicking. However if you scroll to the bottom of this blog you will >> see byway of his Tweets Davey Boy continues to ignore my emails even >> after I talk to his lawyer and send them both a Hell of an email. Go >> figure why I am not surprised. EH Commissioner Bobby Paulson of the >> RCMP? >> >> Do tell does the CBC or the CRTC or CTV or Roger TV or even CPAC or >> anyone else recall back in 2015 when I stress tested the ethics of >> David Boy Akin and his gal pal Kady Baby O'Malley about voting etc >> during and after the election of the 42nd Parliament? I did that years >> after I talked to Akin the first in in 2004 when he worked for CTV and >> about 2 years or so after Kady had blocked me within Twitter when she >> and her snobby buddies such as Jesse Brown, Jian Ghomeshi, Greg Weston >> and Evan Solomon used to work for CBC too. >> >> https://globalnews.ca/author/ >> >> Rhonda Brown >> Supervising Producer >> 902 481 4440 >> >> Rhonda is a journalist with more than 24 years experience in the >> television industry. >> >> As Supervising Producer, she works with news staff in Halifax and New >> Brunswick in the gathering the day’s stories and getting them to air >> on Global News at 6 pm. >> >> Born in Newfoundland and raised in Ottawa, she’s lived in Halifax for >> more than 22 years. >> >> She’s held a variety of roles with both Global News and CBC over her >> career, with a brief foray into public relations. >> >> A perennial candidate is a political candidate who frequently runs for >> an elected office and rarely, if ever, wins. The term is the opposite >> of an incumbent politician who repeatedly defends their seats >> successfully. >> >> Perennial candidates can vary widely in nature. Some are independents >> who lack the support of the major political parties in an area or are >> members of alternative parties (such as third parties in the United >> States). Others may be mainstream candidates who can consistently win >> a party's nomination, but because their district is gerrymandered or a >> natural safe seat for another party, the candidate likewise never gets >> elected (thus these types are often paper candidates). Still others >> may typically run in primary elections for a party's nomination and >> lose repeatedly. Numerous perennial candidates, although not all, run >> with the full knowledge of their inability to win elections and >> instead use their candidacy for satire, to advance non-mainstream >> political platforms, or to take advantage of benefits afforded >> political candidates (such as campaign financing, name recognition, >> and television advertising benefits). >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Rédaction <nouvelle@acadienouvelle.com> >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 09:17:12 -0800 >> Subject: Re: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE >> false imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear >> Horizon want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? (Out of >> Office ) >> To: david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> >> Nous avons reçu votre message. Au besoin, nous communiquerons avec >> vous pour plus de détails. Si vous avez des informations >> supplémentaires à fournir, s'il vous plaît, répondez à ce courriel. >> Merci de votre intérêt envers l'Acadie Nouvelle. >> >> >> -- >> >> Salle des nouvelles >> Acadie Nouvelle >> [image] >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 13:17:08 -0400 >> Subject: Fwd: YO Mr Higgs Re My right to MEDICARE and NO MORE false >> imprisonment Just as I get another bill from Vitalité I hear Horizon >> want the RCMP to arrest me AGAIN TRUE or FALSE??? 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(Out of Office ) >> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> >> I am out of the office until Tuesday, February 18 and have >> intermittent access to Email. For any urgencies, please contact >> Jennifer Duggan, General Counsel, at 613 825 2981, or my admin >> assistant, Sandra Lofaro 613 843 3540.. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Je suis absent du bureau jusqu'à mardi 18 février, et j'aurai un accès >> intermittent aux courriéls. Pour toute urgence,.vous pouvez >> communiquer avec Jennifer Duggan, Avocate générale, au 613 825 2981, >> ou avec mon adjointe admin. Sandra Lofaro 613 843 3540. >> >> >>>>> David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail. >> >> Methinks it must be because of my recent comments in CBC about your >> nonsense about emergency Rooms etc N’esy Pas??? >> >> Here is just a few that are recorded within my blog etc >> >> >> https://davidraymondamos3. >> >> >> Wednesday, 12 February 2020 >> >> Deputy premier must decide whether to fall in line on health-care >> reforms, Higgs says >> >> >> >> https://www.cbc.ca/news/ >> >> >> Doctor shortage forces overnight closure at Sackville ER >> >> More er closures are possible before hours are permanently reduced on >> March >> 11 >> >> CBC News · Posted: Feb 13, 2020 11:32 AM AT >> >> >> >> 57 Comments >> Commenting is now closed for this story. >> >> >> David Amos >> Content disabled >> Go Figure These are obviously not my Tweets but I did run against the >> lady >> >> >> Chisholm Pothier >> @chisholmp >> · >> Feb 10 >> The plan hasn’t even been announced yet and it’s already being >> condemned. We know one thing for sure - we cannot keep delivering >> Health the way we have. It isn’t sustainable with an aging population >> and needs have changed with demographic change anyway. #nbpoli /1 >> >> Quote Tweet >> Alaina Lockhart >> @AlainaLockhart >> · Feb 9 >> Premier @BlaineHiggs you can’t grow NB by reducing services in rural >> areas. NB needs strong rural comms to thrive. The @townofsussex is key >> to the region. You need to start thinking about the people impacted in >> your quest to improve the bottom line. >> https://twitter.com/ >> >> >> David Amos >> Content disabled >> Reply to @David Amos: Chisholm Pothier no longer speaks for the >> government Correct? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David Amos >> Need I say I got a few calls after supper last night and the people >> who called could tell I was pretty cranky about something? Trust that >> what I heard on CBC this morning did not help my mood any.. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David Amos >> Methinks the real problem is that Higgy and Flemming can't get enough >> bilingual folks who want to work within our Health Care System N'esy >> Pas? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @David Amos: Methinks everybody knows since the time of >> Trudeau The Elder New Brunswick has been a great place to grow up and >> get an education but to find work most of our young ones must head >> west somewhere on the far side of Quebec. If the truth hurts so be it >> N'esy Pas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> David Amos >> On CBC this morning I heard our mindless Health Minister direct folks >> to the emergency room in another province. Methinks we have not heard >> that last about that N'esy Pas?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Jim Cyr >> The people of New Brunswick are some of the silliest people in the >> world. It’s been hilarious to see almost all of them completely turn >> off their brains and freak out over Higgs’ emergency rooms plan. The >> people will now vote out the PCs, of course......just as their silly >> media masters tell them to do. And so the NB medical/fiscal/poverty >> situation will just get worse and worse and worse than it already is.. >> You can’t make this kind of stuff up, folks!! Amazing to see. >> Mind-numbingly predictable and monotonous. It’s like kubuki theater at >> this point.. BAD kubuki theater.....lol >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Jim Cyr: Methinks you may be cluing in as to why I call this >> a circus If you can't find fun in the madness then you will go crazy >> like they claim I am. Yea I'm crazy alright. Some say I'm crazy like a >> fox others say I am just another narcissistic fool Hard telling not >> knowing for sure but one thing is for certain I am having fun laughing >> at all the people who laughed at me N'esy Pas? >> >> However I can be as crazy as i want to be Higgy should ask the shinks >> in the loonie bin of the DECH what they did with the wiretap tape of >> the mob that I gave them in 2008 that the RCMP refuse to investigate. >> >> Terry Tibbs >> Reply to @Jim Cyr: >> Silly? It's just plain "goofy". And once the CONServatives are gone, >> having been exchanged for the Liberals, the process will repeat >> itself, over and over. >> Not one among us able to figure out the only end result is our pocket >> remain empty. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael Durant >> We need to begin serious talks with Doctors Without Boarders >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Michael durant: Try again That one went over like a lead >> balloon >> >> Ben Haroldson >> Reply to @Michael durant: borders >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yves Savoie >> Get your popcorn ready!!! The circus has begun.... >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Yves Savoie: Wanna trade some of your popcorn for peanuts? >> >> Methinks Trump and everybody knows I have been enjoying the circuses >> on both sides of the 49th for many years from the peanut galley. >> Trump's minions know that just before July 4th, 2002 within a >> statement of Claim against an incredible number of Yankee lawyers I >> promised that I would run in the next Election in Canada. I have >> remained true to my word and have run 7 times thus far. I joined the >> clowns in the centre ring no only to to add my two bits worth and but >> to witness the high diving acts up close and personal. Trust that >> Harper and Higgy et al know that i dearly love the splash just my kids >> and I did at Sea World a long long time ago N'esy Pas? >> >> Ben Haroldson >> Reply to @David Amos: Kudos to that, and if you were in my riding you >> would get my vote, fed or prov. >> >> Lou Bell >> Reply to @Ben Haroldson: That would give him 14 votes >> >> Lou Bell >> Reply to @David Amos: " Methinks trumps and everybody knows I have >> been enjoy.. .... ...... " !!! You really think trump knows who you >> are ?? Seriously ??????????? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Lou Bell: Do you want his lawyers cell number? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Lou Bell: Better yet do you want me to give them yours so >> you can say hey to your Yankee heroes who locked me up in 2004? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Ben Haroldson: Thanks for the vote of confidence >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ben Haroldson >> The Doctors are just helping to move things along. No sense waffling >> if things are that dire. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Ben Haroldson: So you say >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Terry Tibbs >> What do you *think*? Coincidence, or not? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks we all know the wicked game by now N'esy >> Pas? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @David Amos: BTW I was born in the Sackville Hospital in 1952 >> and it saved my butt 3 years later when I went into a coma for a >> month. Methinks for that reason alone I should raise hell to defend >> it. Methinks it should be rather obvious that I quite simply don't >> care what my cousin Megan Mitton and all her Green Party pals say or >> do about it N'esy Pas? >> >> Holly Mossing >> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Not coincidence: ERs and Labour and Delivery >> units have been randomly closing for years due to staffing issues. >> That’s part of the problem, and this move will be part of the >> solution. Government being responsible by listening to the health >> authorities. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SarahRose Werner >> How is the pool of doctors who provide nighttime ER coverage supplied? >> Are these doctors who also work day jobs? Does staffing the ER >> overnight make doctors less accessible to patients who seek service >> during the day? >> >> Elaine MacDonald >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Overnight Doctors come from the family >> practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who >> work nights will also work office hours during the day before their >> night shift starts. After midnight, the ER is emergencies only, so you >> will be triaged by a nurse, then depending on the triage, you may or >> may not see a doctor. >> >> This Friday, from how it seems, there will be no doctor at all; I'm >> not sure if a tirage nurse will assess people however. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Apparently not, because the ER will be >> closed entirely. Which makes sense because triage is a sorting >> procedure, not a treatment procedure. The word "triage" comes from the >> process of sorting battlefield patients into three levels: those will >> recover even without treatment, those who will even if treated and >> those for whom treatment will make a difference. If there's no one >> available to provide treatment, there's no point doing triage. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: "Overnight Doctors come from the family >> practice doctors; so while some work the ER during the day, those who >> work nights will also work office hours during the day before their >> night shift starts." - I'm not surprised that doctors who've already >> worked during the day are averse to taking overnight shifts as well. >> >> Terry Tibbs >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: >> Why would they be "adverse"? If the "stories" told to us are true, >> after supper the family practice doctor heads out to the ER for 7pm, >> taking paperwork, or reading material, to catch up on. >> Right around maybe 10, or 11pm they pull up a bed and have a snooze, >> because there "might" be only 5 patients overnight, (this is "the >> claim") maybe only one needing his/her attention, so the nurse can >> wake him/her up as required. 7am the shift ends, doctor leaves fully >> rested,12 hours pay richer. >> In some cases, if the doctor lives real close, they go home, coming in >> only if needed. >> >> Holly Mossing >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Yes, it does, which is part of the >> problem. These are great shifts for doctors to pick up (quiet and pay >> very well), but don’t help the health of local people overall because >> the doc may see 5 urgent patients overnight but not be able to work at >> see *25* the next day. That’s a big capacity issue. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Its a pity that nobody in Sackville would >> listen to me this week >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @David Amos: However I will disclose that the Office of the >> CEO of one of our Health Care systems called me a few days before >> Flemming's big announcement in order to reach an understanding as to >> why I am going to file a lawsuitin order to get my Medicare Card and >> other things. I have heard nothing but crickets since. Methinks they >> think I am bluffing Others know I am not N'esy Pas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Ian Scott >> It would help if the management would outline what it takes to have an >> ER open 24/7. I do not think a lot of the public has a clue as to what >> it means to open an ER to all comers and the staff then needed to >> cover all reasonable issues. You cannot confuse the public and >> ambulances etc where to go each night if staffing gets short. It makes >> it worse. If you staff with general practice then they must have >> extended training in ER issues. Otherwise the next thing is the >> complaint that things were not done . Then comes the standard >> equipment needed for stroke trauma etc, like CT scanners etc. Even >> appendectomy becomes an issue without ultrasound or CT. Its really a >> standard of practice and it requires a service level that is very >> difficult to reach in small centers. Otherwise you just end up >> shipping people out again and delaying diagnostics and the right >> treatment, some of which are time related. Would you want surgery for >> something that is not needed? Or have blood thinners given when you >> actually have a brain bleed etc. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Ian Scott: One thing I've been reading in comments on >> stories on this issue is that people mention being "stabilized" in a >> smaller centre before being shipped out to a larger one. Not being a >> medical professional, I don't know what resources and skills are >> required to "stabilize" patients. Is this something that could be >> achieved in some other way, for example, by expanded and improved >> paramedic service? >> >> Ian Scott >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: That is the care in bigger centers, well >> trained paramedics to stabilize at site and transport. Still most >> stroke issues need CT before treatment. Heart issues may be >> "stabilized" with drugs etc but transfer really is key for assessment >> . Trauma , (major) , needs a trauma center. I am not sure how many >> paramedics can intubate in the field at this point in NB but even an >> acute asthma or allergic issue might need it. Its what has been >> suggested. The numbers are small in many of these towns.Even having >> those staff may prove difficult down the road. Helicopter Air >> ambulance is another issue, complex and expensive but out there. >> Freddy is a trauma center for a certain level , but even it only has a >> snowfield for landing. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Ian Scott: Okay, so if someone has a heart attack, acute >> allergic attack, stroke, etc. in Sussex in the middle of the night and >> that person needs some sort of immediate treatment to tide them over >> until they get to the Saint John Regional, how is that provided? To >> me, that's the crux of the issue here. I agree that 24/7 ER service in >> all locations is not the answer. What are other possible answers? >> >> Elaine MacDonald >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: In that situation, the patient will be >> sent on to Saint John/Moncton (not sure which hospital in regards to >> Sussex) regardless if they are stable or not. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Are there increased to the patient if >> they're sent on without stabilization? What are those? What will be >> done to ameliorate those risks? >> >> Holly Mossing >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: There is a great study on this that showed >> that cardiac patients who were “stabilized” at a small center then >> transferred had worse outcomes and a higher death rate than patients >> who bypassed their local ER and were brought directly to where they >> could receive specialized care, for example. ( >> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ >> paramedics need to be normalized in New Brunswick and supported to >> make health care as safe as possible. I’ve never voted Conservative >> but in this case Higgs’ government is doing absolutely the responsible >> thing. We need to make sure they follow through with increased daytime >> services. >> >> David Amos >> Content disabled >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Methinks you must have read some of my >> comments N'esy Pas? >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: Hmmmm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Donald Smith >> There has to be a reason, or reasons why NB Cannot attract them ??????? >> >> Mack Leigh >> Reply to @Donald Smith: There definitely is however no one is allowed >> to talk about the " Elephant " in the room. >> >> Ian Scott >> Reply to @Mack Leigh: Major centers are not really having that issue >> except for OR constraints for time for some specialists and no beds >> because of acute care bed blockers. Bathurst has excellent docs as >> does Edmonston and they are better at language issues than the south. >> Freddy and SJ and the Moncton centers also attract excellent staff. >> Its in between that is the issue , and medicine has changed , as have >> expectations and the standard of care. An ER is just that , all >> comers, not a clinic. One has to meet rigid standards of care. And >> those are hard to meet in 4k population or less towns and villages. >> Aging issues are one of the biggest issues and its being met poorly. >> Billing numbers are a thing of the past so not in the question. There >> could certainly be some concern I suppose of young docs worried about >> potential language issues but low. >> >> Elaine MacDonald >> Reply to @Ian Scott: What people seem to forget is that Sackville, >> while a population of 5000 including Mt. Allison students, also >> services Dorchester, Memramcook, Port Elgin, Murry Corner as well as >> we get patients from the Cape like Cocagne, Cap Pele, Shediac. We've >> had people from Moncton and surrounding area come to our hospital in >> increasing numbers over the past two years, even as far as Anagance, >> AND we get people from NS as well like River Hebert and Amherst. It >> isn't just NB, but NS we serve too. >> >> So no, we don't have a 4K or less patient possibility, we have much >> more than that. >> >> SarahRose Werner >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Then maybe NS would like to contribute >> some money to pay for overnight service at the ER. >> >> Terry Tibbs >> Reply to @SarahRose Werner: >> Don't you believe for a moment they don't. >> Show an out of province medicare card at a NB hospital and the eyes >> light up like a one armed bandit hitting a jackpot. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Donald Smith: Everybody knows the reasons >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Mack Leigh: I do >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Brian Robertson >> This is just the logical next step in the deterioration of healthcare >> under the thumb of a government administered monopoly. >> When you have no money and no Doctors and costs are still increasing >> because all your workers are members of public service unions that can >> hold the public hostage; what else can happen? >> The viability of single payer healthcare is based on the metering of >> services in order to control costs. >> Public needs and individual abilities to pay simply do not factor into >> the equation. >> >> Terry Tibbs >> Reply to @Brian Robertson: >> Hold the phone, Just STOP, and *think* for a moment, you have been >> misdirected just like you are supposed to be. >> EVERY other province, or territory, has "evil" union belonging health >> professionals, this is not a NB only "thing". >> We are supposed to be short of 100, maybe 200, health professionals >> needed per capita (a different number pops out whenever those in >> charge are asked). >> We know the pay and benefits in NB are "short" hence the shortage of >> health professionals. >> Yet the cost of healthcare is higher (per capita) than every other >> province, or territory. >> So, either EVERYONE in NB is constantly sick, or the extra cost is >> somewhere else other than with the health professionals. >> I respectfully *think* you should be looking elsewhere. >> >> Brian Robertson >> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: >> All Provincial healthcare systems are following the same pattern >> decline; except possibly Quebec who enjoys a lucrative infusion of >> Federal transfer payments annually. New Brunswick just seems to be >> ahead of the curve in terms of declining services and wait times. >> There is more than enough blame to go around for this spiral trip >> around the drain. Yes, and that includes your healthcare >> professionals. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Terry Tibbs: Methinks he knows you are correct Quebec is a >> UNILINGUAL Province Hence its costs are less N'esy Pas? >> >> >> >> >> >> John Pokiok >> There you have it no Doctor wants to live in rural setting it's a hard >> core fact. >> >> Ian Scott >> Reply to @John Pokiok: Thats not really true. Being an ER doc is a >> different fish from a GP office setting. It requires an extension of >> training.If you open an ER then you have every issue from Intubation >> to trauma to poisoning, heart attack stroke, delivery etc. ER trained >> docs are a separate entity . You are asking a GP to be everything and >> have little backup and extended hours and then have a practice in the >> community. It takes a serious block of staff to do this around the >> clock. And to have surgical backups for obstetrics etc.And to then >> live in communities with 4K people is not easy. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @John Pokiok: Many do when they retire >> >> Elaine MacDonald >> Reply to @John Pokiok: And yet we just had *2* doctors from US >> background move to Sackville to practice. It's not a matter of no >> doctors wanting to move to rural areas. >> >> David Amos >> Reply to @Elaine MacDonald: Maybe they are willing to cover the midnight >> shift >> > |
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