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Avalon MP says he's received death threats after being accused of giving middle finger in House

 

Avalon MP says he's received death threats after being accused of giving middle finger in House

Speaker Greg Fergus couldn't determine if gesture was made in bad nature

House of Commons Speaker Greg Fergus says video couldn't prove whether MP Ken McDonald recently made a rude gesture toward the Conservative side of the House.

The MP for Newfoundland's Avalon riding was accused of giving "the finger to all Canadians" by Conservative MP Kerry-Lynne Findlay during a Monday vote to exempt all home heating fuels from the federal carbon tax.

McDonald, who has voted with the Conservatives on the carbon tax in the past, voted against the motion and was accused of flip-flopping by a voice from the Conservative side of the House. He then scratched his head with two fingers — a gesture Findlay perceived as giving the middle finger.

Speaking in the House on Wednesday, Fergus said video of the incident was inconclusive.

"Faced with two versions of the same event, the chair must take the members at their word," Fergus said, who deemed the matter closed.

WATCH | Check out the gesture in question: 
 

Middle finger? Watch MP Ken McDonald's gesture, which caught the ire of Conservatives

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Avalon MP Ken McDonald made a gesture inside the House of Commons that some viewed as a middle finger to the Conservative side of the House. McDonald was called on a point of order shortly after.

McDonald said later it showed he did nothing wrong. He also said that he and his constituency staff have faced threats of violence at his Avalon office, spurred by videos of the incident posted by Conservative MPs on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

"I have also received death threats. Speaker, this is not OK. My staff are scared, members of my family are scared, and this is all because the Opposition misled this House and misled Canadians because they were unhappy with the way I voted."

McDonald then asked Findlay to apologize. She did not.

Andrew Scheer, the Opposition House leader, then rose to say that people can see what McDonald did despite the inconclusive ruling.

"The voters in Avalon can make their own determination whether or not they think it's appropriate," he said.

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175 Comments
 
 
 
Thats now known to history as the Trudeau Salute, to supporters the prime minister’s middle finger became a symbol of his bullish approach to leadership 
 
 
 
Ed Wallis 
I watched the video. Clearly, this man gave the finger to the opposing party...there is no mistake about that whatsoever...and now he is crying fowl...you reap what you sow, Mr McDonald...you owe the house an apology...but that would take character and personal accountability...traits you obviously lack. 
 
 
Ed Wallis  
Reply to Ed Wallis   
*foul 
 
 
Matt Payne 
Reply to Ed Wallis 
I not a fan of Mr McDonald but I could not determine if he’s right or not. You remarks are quiet nasty and not appropriate.
 
 
Drew Fletcher 
Reply to Matt Payne 
And giving the finger was not. Partisan

Reply to Ed Wallis  
Now known to history as the Trudeau Salute, to supporters the prime minister’s middle finger became a symbol of his bullish approach to leadership — a view even taken by some residents of Salmon Arm.

“As a long time resident of Salmon Arm and someone acquainted with the protestors, my comment has always been that in that famous gesture Pierre Trudeau proved himself a remarkably good judge of character,” reads one 2011 post to a rail fan forum.

To critics, it became the defining image of a Quebec elitist exhibiting his contempt for the West.

Western MPs have mentioned the term “Trudeau salute” no less than 10 times in the House of Commons, usually in reference to some perceived Eastern slight.

“Why has the Prime Minister broken another election promise and given Albertans the Trudeau salute one more time?” Reform MP Eric C. Lowther asked in 2000 regarding Senate selection.

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With the death of protester Doug Hughes only last month, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau remains one of the only living witnesses to an event that came to define the final months of his father’s premiership.

In a 2013 visit to the staunchly Conservative B.C. city of Kelowna, the Liberal leader said that he learned from his father that “one should always wave with all five fingers.”

 
Scott Forrest 
Reply to Matt Payne  
Flipping someone the finger in the House was not appropriate but then you on the left will make any excuse imaginable to defend to actions of your party members



 
 

A B.C. museum says it’s preserved the railcar from which Pierre Trudeau gave the finger to protesters

In 1982, Trudeau had just finished repatriating the Constitution when he decided to borrow the Governor General’s train car for a summertime trip to the Rockies


Author of the article:
Tristin Hopper
Published Aug 22, 2016  
 
Detail from Pierre Trudeau The Salmon Arm Salute, a painting by Edmonton artist Jenn Kovachik. Full painting visible at JennKovachik.com
Detail from Pierre Trudeau The Salmon Arm Salute, a painting by Edmonton artist Jenn Kovachik. Full painting visible at JennKovachik.com

Peterborough, Ont.’s Canadian Canoe Museum has Pierre Elliott Trudeau’s buckskin jacket. Toronto’s Bata Shoe Museum has his leather sandals.

But it’s only at a private museum in B.C.’s interior where, owners say, you can gaze upon the most infamous Trudeau artifact of all: the restored railcar from which the 15th prime minister flipped the bird to B.C. protesters in 1982.

The car is at Three Valley Lake Chateau, a resort just down the road from Craigellachie, site of the last spike on the Canadian Pacific Railway.

There, in the resort’s Railway Roundhouse, visitors can sample what the museum says is another piece of Canadian railway history.

Guests can even pose next to a cardboard cutout of Trudeau where, naturally, they usually end up flipping friends the finger.

Courtesy Robert Tellier/Gr8TravelTips.com

Courtesy Robert Tellier/Gr8TravelTips.com

“We renovated the interior by putting in new carpet, paint and adding display items, bedding and dishes,” said Diana Bostock, a third-generation owner of Three Valley Lake Chateau, writing in an email to the National Post.

The resort acquired the former governor general’s railcar in 2005, and only appears to have discovered what’s believed to be its Trudeau provenance once it had been delivered by truck from a nearby railroad stop.

“The information we have came with the car when our family purchased it in 2005,” wrote Bostock.

In 1982, Trudeau had just finished repatriating the Constitution when he decided to borrow the governor general’s train car for a summertime trip to the Rockies. Along for the ride were the Trudeau boys; Alexandre, Michel and, of course, then-10-year-old Justin.

At the time, rampant inflation was kicking roughly one cent of value out of the Canadian dollar every month. Unemployment was hitting Depression levels in resource towns. Trudeau’s new National Energy Program was seen as a direct assault on an already-beleaguered Alberta energy sector.

Courtesy W. Ruth Kozak
Courtesy W. Ruth Kozak

And in recent months, Trudeau had been calling for restraint on public sector wages in order to combat inflation.

In short, the optics weren’t great for a prime minister cruising Western Canada in a luxury railcar telling locals to screw off.

In various paintings and cartoons immortalizing the event at Salmon Arm, B.C. on Aug. 8, 1982, Trudeau is usually depicted mischievously wagging his middle finger while protesters pelt the car with eggs and tomatoes.

But there were no projectiles at the first encounter between the public and the Trudeau train, just three Salmon Armers carrying signs displaying some version of “Restraint, Practice What You Preach.”

The trio were Liberal voters on strike from their government jobs, and they had rushed to the train station with only a few hours’ notice to protest what they saw as an act of indulgent hypocrisy.

Courtesy Bill Blair
Courtesy Bill Blair

Seeing the signs, a staff member began lowering the railcar’s shutters to shield the Trudeau boys from the sight. The children had “seemed amused by the situation,” reported the Salmon Arm Observer.

But the prime minister stepped forward and pulled back the shutters to take a last peek at the three protesters.

“He looked at my wife, he smiled and gave her the finger. He pushed up the other blind, looked at me and gave me the finger. He pushed the other blind up, looked at David and gave him the finger,” protester Doug Hughes later told the Canadian Press.

“It was very honest,” Hughes added.

The thrown vegetables followed soon after.

Once news emerged of Trudeau’s digitary indiscretions, his trip became a whistlestop tour of pissed-off small-towners, prompting railroaders to dub their produce-splattered train “The Caesar Salad Special.”

Tomatoes thudded into the windows as the car emerged from the Connaught tunnel. Eggs rained down on the prime minister’s car outside Calgary. Whitewater rafters in the Kicking Horse River mooned the official train.

In Sudbury, 500 violent protesters subjected the train to such a withering hail of rocks and vegetables that it broke several windows.

“Trudeau Rail Car Pelted With Rocks and Food,” reported the New York Times

Only the Ontario town of Chapleau provided some respite. There, poultry farmers banded together to present the prime minister with a gift basket of fresh eggs.

“Here are some Chapleau eggs for you. We’re not throwing them at you,” Chapleau man Ernest Lepine told the Prime Minister.

Now known to history as the Trudeau Salute, to supporters the prime minister’s middle finger became a symbol of his bullish approach to leadership — a view even taken by some residents of Salmon Arm.

“As a long time resident of Salmon Arm and someone acquainted with the protestors, my comment has always been that in that famous gesture Pierre Trudeau proved himself a remarkably good judge of character,” reads one 2011 post to a rail fan forum.

To critics, it became the defining image of a Quebec elitist exhibiting his contempt for the West.

Western MPs have mentioned the term “Trudeau salute” no less than 10 times in the House of Commons, usually in reference to some perceived Eastern slight.

“Why has the Prime Minister broken another election promise and given Albertans the Trudeau salute one more time?” Reform MP Eric C. Lowther asked in 2000 regarding Senate selection.

With the death of protester Doug Hughes only last month, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau remains one of the only living witnesses to an event that came to define the final months of his father’s premiership.

In a 2013 visit to the staunchly Conservative B.C. city of Kelowna, the Liberal leader said that he learned from his father that “one should always wave with all five fingers.”

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