A nasty Lady said "Kory Teneycke is running Doug Ford's campaign. Remember him? Enough said."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-pcs-platform-cost-fiscal-1.4684590

Doug Ford's PCs reveal 'final' campaign platform that has no fiscal outlook

Ford campaign spokesperson says no further financial details are coming before June 7

CBC News · Posted: May 30, 2018 5:20 PM ET |

1533 Comments

 
Peter Stemkowski

And this is the party that scoffs at the NDP as inept? Seriously?

Tony Hill

@Peter Stemkowski

The sad thing is that the NDP are inept, but they might be the least inept of three parties. Other than a few extreme partisans I think most people looking at the Ontario NDP in isolation would state that this group has absolutely no business forming government.

Unfortunately if one were to look at the Ontario Liberals they almost all say that this group has absolutely no business remaining as the government, and if they were to look at the PCs, and particularly Doug Ford, they would say that this group and individual have absolutely no business forming government or being premier.

Elections often end up with a set of poor options to choose from, but this Ontario election is setting an all-time low for the abysmal quality of all candidates on offer.

David Amos

@Tony Hill Methinks you must have overlooked the election south of the 49th in 2016 The Yankees elected some dude they call the "The Donald" as Prez and he talked a lot like Ford does N'esy Pas?

Patrick Smyth

@Tony Hill

We are supposed to take your word that the Ndp are inept? Why?

mo bennett

@Peter Stemkowski they are ALL inept Pete! they're politicians! it's genetic!

David Amos

@mo bennett Yo Mo Methinks we should inform those who are not inept politicians but wish to have a giggle or two at them to Google two names N'esy Pas?

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Don Luft

Ford calls the NDP "radical". Well I suppose from where Ford is standing that might be the perception but for 2/3 of the electorate the radical is Ford.

I'm not surprised Ford hasn't put forth a fully costed program but rails against the NDP and Liberals who have. I expect the reason his party has refused to show where the money is coming from is because the promises can't be reconciled with reality. Spending billions amidst tax cuts and saying you're going to reduce the deficit is ludicrous. The only way he can do it is the way his brother kept a similar promise for Toronto. He slashed budgets across the board leaving essential services under funded.

Like his idol Trump, Ford will come face to face with reality and discover its easier to promise contradictory goals than deliver them.

David Amos

@Don Luft "2/3 of the electorate the radical is Ford"

Methinks you may be mistaken N'esy Pas?

SURVEY SAYS?

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning a majority 71.9%

Probability of the Progressive Conservatives winning the most seats but not a majority 11.6%

Probability of the NDP winning a majority 9.2%

Probability of the NDP winning the most seats but not a majority 6.1%

Don Luft 

@David Amos

I don't know what you're point is. The number of seats doesn't reflect voter support. We've had lots of majority governments without majority support. This time we might get a majority government from a party that polls even fewer votes than second place finisher in terms of seats.

That 2/3 reference was because the PCs are polling around 34-35% right now so almost 2/3 of the electorate support left leaning parties. The difference in policies between the Greens, NDP and Liberal aren't enough that anyone attracted to any of those parties would consider the others radical. The Conservatives by comparison are way out in right field compared to the other parties who would likely see the PCs as radical.

mo bennett

@Don Luft messy paws claims he was a politician once upon a time. says it all, they can't do basic math.

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David Amos

@mo bennett Yo Mo Methinks you know exactly who I am even though you and your CBC pals denied that I was on five ballots thus far Furthermore that tally was not mine it came straight from the CBC N'esy Pas?

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/onvotes/poll-tracker/

David Amos

@mo bennett Yo Mo your political panties are showing. Even though CBC is predictably blocking my replies to you methinks everybody knows that the tally was not mine It came straight from the CBC N'esy Pas?

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David Amos 

 @mo bennett "messy paws claims he was a politician once"

YO Mo remember these words of yours a few weeks ago?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ontario-provincial-election-feds-1.4655519

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@mo bennett "that's hilarious! doug and the slugs and andy the evangelical and his band of tired old reformacon hacks are gonna put Canada back on the global map? maybe the map of Ralph, Saskatchewan!"

Methinks that you, Kory Teneycke, Gerry Butts and everybody "in the know" knows that my debate during the election of the 42nd Parliament was the most watched within a certain venue. Anyone can Google the following words N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@mo bennett "messy paws claims he was a politician once"

Methinks that you and anyone else can Google the following words N'esy Pas?

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james fryday

Ford's got a platform alright. It's called "do what I want". Trumpian I'd say.

Lee Hall

@David Amos
Plus,one of the longest election periods in Canadian history that cost Canadian taxpayers over $400 Million. As he tried to outspend his opponents.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/elections-canada-443-million-1.3436139

David Amos

@Lee Hall Methinks you have no idea who I am because CBC didn't tell you that I ran in five elections N'esy Pas?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276

mo bennett

@David Amos do you actually think that makes someone special?

Chuck Johns

@David Amos

Sure, if you're fine with election fraud convictions in each of Harper's victories. From what I read, most far right supporters are quite comfortable with election fraud.

David Amos

@Chuck Johns Who said I was?

 
Jim Graham

Typical Con ... taking it for granted they can ride the wave of anger to power. Wrong.

Doug Ford is not prepared to be honest or accountable to voters ... Donald Trump without the weird behaviour. Cons used to speak of someone not being ready ... well, Doug Ford is living their dream.

What a betrayal of public trust. His word cannot be trusted. Fiscal conservatives can find a more comfortable safe place with the Libs until this Ford nightmare passes on by..

Joe Godin

@Jim Graham

The Libs ARE dead. Period, point finale.

Don't be surprised that if they are eliminated from official party status. But then again, if you have no elected members, OPS is a moot point...

David Amos

@Joe Godin Methinks the most fun outcome of this circus would be a PC minority mandate. I doubt that Ford would have a tough time making a deal with what was left of the liberals N'esy Pas?

  
David Fraser

Look at a picture of Doug Ford and ask yourself the question, "Would I buy a used car from this man?" if the answer is no, then you might want to think twice about putting him in charge of a used province. Especially considering that the written warranty he is offering with the car now boils down to "Trust me".

Mr Ford and his party are showing disrespect for the citizens of this province. They do not deserve our trust.

David Amos

@David Fraser Methinks there once was a man named Ford who sold a lots of cars because folks trusted him. On the other hand there once was punk named Ford who shot Jesse James in the back because he mistakenly trusted him Moral of my story? I doubt if Ford can be trusted but I know for certain that I wouldn't trust the other two wannabe Premiers Confusing N'esy Pas?

  
Ronald Clayton

Mr Ford is not a viable candidate. He lacks honesty, intelligence and a proven track record. Just a waste of time and a waste of a vote.

Margaret Bricknell

@Sue Northfield
Kory Teneycke is running his campaign. Remember him?
Enough said.

David Amos

@Margaret Bricknell "Kory Teneycke is running his campaign. Remember him?"

Methinks you know why I remember him very well N'esy Pas?

 
Wayne Reid

Makes me scared. Doug Ford thinks health care here in Ontario should be like the states. pay for your own. I can take a real good guess where he will find some of the money he needs. Never heard one word from him on health care that eased my mind.

Also scares me greatly when they sneak their plan onto the web site and only say what they want to do. No mention of how they will pay for it or what he plans to cut. To sneaking and information lacking for me. My vote will be going else where.

bill chagwich

@Wayne Reid sneak on the web, now that's scary, the web is open to each and everyone last time I was on it, false info again

David Amos

@bill chagwich Methinks what you say is is largely true However one can find lots of false info about yours truly on the Internet N'esy Pas?

 
Pat Kenny

So, how many would buy a vehicle after being told by the shady seller that you aren't allowed to look under the hood until after you buy it? Pfffttt...

David Amos

@Pat Kenny "you aren't allowed to look under the hood"

Methinks you should credit your NDP leader with those words N'esy Pas?

 
Robert Morris

There is no such thing as a fiscally prudent con.

Robert Morris

@Margaret Bricknell
Tommy Douglas was premier of Saskatchewan from 1944 to 1961. How old were you when he left in 1961??

Patrick Smyth

@Robert Morris Does one need to have been alive then to speak of it?

David Amos

@Patrick Smyth Methinks most religious folks would think that you asked a very dumb question N'esy Pas?

David Amos

@Robert Morris I was nine How about you?

 
Pat Kenny

Who hides from all reporters and then hires his own phony reporter? Who hires actors to pretend they like him? Who wants you to buy a house without even being allowed to look inside it first?

Ronald McCallum

@bill chagwich

"@Pat Kenny waiting for those false links, hmmm waiting, waiting"

HERE are the "so-called false links" for you Bill.

Pat said the following:

FIRST: "Who hires actors to pretend they like him?"

CBC News story on the 8th of May 2018: "Doug Ford looking into why actors were hired as PC supporters at Ontario leaders' debate": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/doug-ford-debate-protesters-1.4653301

CBC News story on the 9th of May 2018: "Ontario PCs not parting ways with Toronto Centre candidate after actors hired to play Ford supporters": http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/meredith-cartwright-toronto-centre-1.4655893

SECOND: "Who wants you to buy a house without even being allowed to look inside it first?"

Link to the Progressive Conservatives' Platform sans costing

https://www.ontariopc.ca/plan_for_the_people

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David Amos

@Pat Kenny Methinks two dudes who went on a blind date last year both fit the bill N'esy Pas?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zs1PT44aWg

Jagmeet Singh and Doug Ford go on a Political Blind Date
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Toronto Star
Published on Nov 15, 2017

David Amos

@Pat Kenny Methinks it is rather interesting that CBC blocked my reply to you referring to the Toronto Star's report on Jagmeet Singh and Doug Ford N'esy Pas?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-southwestern-ontario-1.4684641

NDP, PCs look to pick up Liberal seats in southwestern Ontario

Every Liberal seat is up for grabs, but the PCs might need to hold off the NDP as well

Éric Grenier · CBC News · Posted: May 31, 2018 4:00 AM ET

277 Comments

mo bennett

ABF, get out there and vote ladies, ABF.

Mike Trout

@mo bennett

I agree with you Ronny
Always Be Ford

Mike Trahan

@Mike Trout That is true, there will always be Fords, the trick is to keep them out of political office

Madelien Hughes

@mo bennett

Oh I'm voting for Ford. The alternatives are not an option. I prefer a roll of the dice that certain demise. NDP leadership would be our final nail in the coffin.

William Voz

@mo bennett

Voting PC.

The PC's are the only ones putting more of my money back in my pocket.

NDP wants to increase gas prices by 35 cents / litre - making driving unaffordable for most !!

Vote PC.

David Amos

@William Voz Methinks that Mo does not wish for me to remind folks of his words a few weeks ago Nesy Pas?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ontario-provincial-election-feds-1.4655519

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@mo bennett "that's hilarious! doug and the slugs and andy the evangelical and his band of tired old reformacon hacks are gonna put Canada back on the global map? maybe the map of Ralph, Saskatchewan!"

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David Amos

@mo bennett "messy paws claims he was a politician once"

YO Mo
Methinks that you, Kory Teneycke, Gerry Butts and everybody else "in the know" knows that my debate during the election of the 42nd Parliament was the most watched within a certain venue. Anyone can Google the following words N'esy Pas?

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Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)

I hope she didn't spend hundreds of dollars on the dish rag she's wearing.

mo bennett

@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70) it's a bed sheet, not a dish rag. dish rag's aren't that large.

Joseph Cluster

@Kevan Cleverbridge (Hill 70)

She might need a wardrobe make over, but some folks figure don't need to impress the masses with designer $$$ priced clothing.

David Amos

@mo bennett Yo Mo Tut Tut Tut Methinks you need to learn be nice to win friends and influence "Peoplekind" N'esy Pas?

mo bennett

way too far from bay and king for doug and the slugs to pay you any attention after june 7th. remember this when you've got a ballot in yer hand!

David Amos

@mo bennett Yo Mo Methinks turnabout is fair play amongst political foes N'esy Pas?

mo bennett

doesn't matter witch one ya'll vote for. both will be bad for the long term health of yer wallets.

William Voz

@mo bennett

" both will be bad for the long term health of yer wallets."

That's why I'm voting PC. I'll never vote NDP, and the libs are just as bad.

Vote PC.

David Amos

@mo bennett "messy paws claims he was a politician once"

YO Mo
Methinks anyone can Google the following words N'esy Pas?

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Doug Ford's PCs reveal 'final' campaign platform that has no fiscal outlook

Ford campaign spokesperson says no further financial details are coming before June 7

CBC News · Posted: May 30, 2018 5:20 PM ET |

Following relentless criticism from his rivals, PC Leader Doug Ford and his team posted a campaign platform overnight that does not include a fiscal outlook or any details of how the PCs would pay for their promises. (Geoff Robins/Canadian Press)



After months of promising to release a fully costed campaign platform, the Progressive Conservatives have published an online list of promises that doesn't include a detailed fiscal plan.

Overnight on Tuesday, the PCs quietly revised their campaign website to include "For The People: A Plan for Ontario."

In the document, the PCs reiterate a number of promises already laid out by their leader, Doug Ford, including a pledge to cut taxes for the middle income bracket and businesses, reduce the price of gasoline by 10 cents per litre. They also promise hundreds of millions of dollars for various infrastructure projects.

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The plan reveals how much each commitment is expected to cost, but makes no mention of the at least $6 billion of "efficiencies" Ford has previously said a PC government would find. It also makes no mention of when a PC government would balance the province's budget.

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When asked whether the document was the party's final plan, Ford's spokeswoman Melissa Lantsman said in an email: "Correct. This is our plan. Costing of each promise included.

"We've been talking about our plan every day and it's all there in one spot to show Ontario voters the stark choice between a responsible and modest spending of a PC government and a radical NDP who will be disastrous for the people of Ontario," she said.

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath has said that the PCs are disrepecting voters by not publishing a fully costed campaign platform. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)

"We are going to balance the budget in a responsible way."

Ford and his campaign team have repeatedly promised to publish a fully costed platform before election day. Back in March, when the Liberals released their 2018 budget — which formed the backbone of their own platform  — Ford criticized the Liberals for putting forward figures he characterized as shoddy.

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"We have 71 days left in this election. That's more than enough time to unveil our platform," Ford said then.

"And we have a solid platform that is fully costed. That's the difference. Ours will be fully costed, theirs isn't fully costed."

Ford has frequently touted his business experience on the campaign trail and his dedication to fiscal responsibility. During the last televised leaders' debate earlier this week, NDP Leader Andrea Horwath said Ford was disrespecting voters by failing to publish a costed platform.

Both Horwath and Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne heaped scorn on the notion that Ford had released a full plan Wednesday.

Ontario Liberal Leader Kathleen Wynne says there are billions of dollars in spending unaccounted for in the PC plan. (Nathan Denette/Canadian Press)

"Look: This is not a fully costed plan, it's not coherent," Wynne said at a stop in Markham, Ont., where she pushed her government's transit record. "All of the things that Doug Ford has said would add up to a $40-billion hole and they have no idea how they would find that."

Horwath was equally incredulous, saying it wasn't good enough for Ford to write a "list of things he might do and put it on the internet."

People should know what Ford's plans are, what he's going to cut and what services might be at risk, the NDP leader said.

"His list of things-to-do that he put on his website is not going to help people to decide which way to vote and what's their best interest in this campaign," Horwath said.

"What's worrisome is we have a leader who's trying to take the chair of the premier in this province and he's not being honest with people."

NDP, PCs look to pick up Liberal seats in southwestern Ontario

Every Liberal seat is up for grabs, but the PCs might need to hold off the NDP as well

Éric Grenier · CBC News · Posted: May 31, 2018 4:00 AM ET

Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath campaigned in Sarnia–Lambton on Wednesday, a riding the party is targeting in the June 7 provincial election. (Geoff Robins/Canadian Press)



On Wednesday, the riding of Sarnia–Lambton received visits from two party leaders — Andrea Horwath of the New Democrats and Doug Ford of the Progressive Conservatives.

It is a sure sign that southwestern Ontario will be an electoral battleground in next week's provincial election.

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Sarnia–Lambton voted for the PCs in 2014, but it's just one of several seats in the region up for grabs. Among them are all the ridings that went Liberal four years ago.

Southwestern Ontario used to be Liberal bedrock, but it has been moving away from the party in recent elections. The Liberals captured 41 per cent of the vote in the region in 2007, but dropped into second place behind the PCs with 34 per cent in 2011. By the 2014 election, the Liberals were down to third in the southwest and just 28 per cent.

That left them with only five seats in the region. They could lose them all next week.

The polls suggest that Liberal support in southwestern Ontario has collapsed. The party has just 11 per cent support there in the May 30 update of CBC's Poll Tracker, an aggregation of all publicly available polling data.

(The Poll Tracker is updated daily and the numbers can change quickly — check out the latest projections here.)

The New Democrats — who entered the campaign holding six southwestern ridings — hold a narrow lead there with 42 per cent, up 11 points from where they finished four years ago. The PCs (the incumbents in the remaining 10 ridings) are not far behind with 39 per cent, up six points since 2014.

Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford was also in Sarnia–Lambton on Wednesday, meeting with PC candidate Bob Bailey and supporters. (Geoff Robins/Canadian Press)

The Greens have six per cent, while two per cent of voters say they will vote for another party. Of those small parties, only the Libertarians are running candidates in a majority of ridings in southwestern Ontario.

Southwest helping to drive NDP's surge

The NDP's prospects in the southwest have improved along with the party's provincewide numbers. The New Democrats began the campaign trailing in southwestern Ontario by about 12 points; at the time they were in a position to win between four and nine seats there.

But the party's 10-point gain in the polls in just a few weeks has transformed the electoral map. New Democrats could now win between eight and 13 seats in the region — matching the PCs' potential.

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Because the Liberals won their seats in the urban areas of the southwest — Cambridge, Guelph, Kitchener and London — the New Democrats are better positioned than the PCs to pick them up.

But New Democrats aren't merely poised to pick up a few Liberal seats in the region. They could take a run at a few PC seats as well.

Blue vs. orange

There are two types of electoral contests shaping up in southwestern Ontario.

On the one hand, there are the battles between the PCs and the NDP in seats that used to be Liberal — ridings like Cambridge, Kitchener Centre, Kitchener South–Hespeler and London North Centre.

On the other hand, there are seats that the New Democrats will be looking to take from the PCs. These are located primarily between Windsor and London and include Chatham-Kent–Leamington, Sarnia–Lambton, Elgin–Middlesex–London and Lambton–Kent–Middlesex, as well ridings further afield such as Huron–Bruce and Kitchener–Conestoga.

Polling averages in southwestern Ontario. (CBC Poll Tracker)

Earlier in the campaign, when the PCs were stronger in the polls, the NDP might have been vulnerable in its own seats of Waterloo and London West. That may no longer be the case.

And then there's Guelph. Under normal conditions, it likely would swing over to the NDP along with the other Liberal ridings. But the candidacy of Green Party Leader Mike Schreiner there makes the riding more unpredictable. If Schreiner can replicate the breakthrough Green leaders have pulled off in British Columbia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island, he may be one of the surprises on election night.

The Ontario election in miniature

Nowhere else in Ontario are Kathleen Wynne's Liberals polling worse than in southwestern Ontario. That makes the region a microcosm of the entire election — with the PCs dominant in the rural parts, the New Democrats well-positioned to pick up urban Liberal seats and the overall winner to be decided between the two.

In order to form a government, the PCs will need to sweep the rural parts of the province and add enough urban and suburban seats to their total to put them over the top. For the New Democrats, forming government means sweeping urban Ontario and winning enough suburban and rural seats to put them in the premier's office. Southwestern Ontario is just one piece of that puzzle.

There aren't enough seats in southwestern Ontario to make the region decisive on its own. But winning in the right places there means winning in the right places in the rest of the province.

About the Author

 

Éric Grenier

Politics and polls

Éric Grenier is a senior writer and the CBC's polls analyst. He was the founder of ThreeHundredEight.com and has written for The Globe and Mail, Huffington Post Canada, The Hill Times, Le Devoir, and L’actualité.