Friday, 28 July 2023

Wildlife and other peace officers to be armed with carbines, Tasers

 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/public-safety-officers-carbines-tasers-body-cameras-new-brunswick-rcmp-1.6920410

 

Wildlife and other peace officers to be armed with carbines, Tasers

New 'tools' for officers will help RCMP, increase law enforcement capacity, department says

Public Safety Minister Kris Austin announced the new "tools" on Thursday.

"The RCMP is the New Brunswick provincial police force, but this initiative will not only keep officers safe, it also supports increased law enforcement capacity within the province," he said in a statement.

No information about the cost or rollout has been provided.

The announcement comes amid unrest with RCMP services in rural areas across the province.

The mayor of Saint Andrews has said public confidence in policing in his region is "at an all-time low," while some communities, such as Fundy Shores and Eastern Charlotte, are exploring their policing options.

CBC has requested comments from Public Safety about the timing of the announcement.

In a news release, Austin said the performance of the department's peace officers over the past three years has been "impressive and showed that they can do more to support police."

Semi-automatic rifles come with mandatory training 

Justice and Public Safety officers are trained to police standards in the use of force, intermediate weapons and firearms, according to the news release.

They will receive mandatory training before they have access to the carbines and conducted energy weapons, commonly known as Tasers, it says. No details about the training have been provided.

Carbines, used by the RCMP, are semi-automatic, short-barrelled rifles that have a longer and more accurate range than pistols or shotguns. 

CBC has requested more information about why the department opted for carbines over other types of firearms.

Kris Austin, wearing glasses, a black blazer and blue dress shirt, looks off camera. Public Safety Minister Kris Austin said peace officers can do more to support police. (Ed Hunter/CBC)

The use of carbines — and why Moncton Mounties didn't have them during the 2014 shootings — was at the centre of a Canada Labour Code trial in 2017.

The gunman was armed with an M305.308 semi-automatic rifle and a Mossberg 500 12-gauge shotgun. The officers who responded were carrying their duty pistols.

Constables Fabrice Gevaudan, Doug Larche and Dave Ross were killed. Two more RCMP officers were shot but survived.

judge found the RCMP guilty of failing to provide adequate use-of-force equipment and related user training to the Moncton Mounties. The national force was ordered to pay a penalty of $550,000.

Work closely with police

The Justice and Public Safety officers are responsible for enforcing provincial and federal legislation in the areas of fish, wildlife, environment and natural resources; commercial and off-road vehicles; illegal cannabis and tobacco; as well as criminal code, controlled drugs and substances and firearms offences.

Peace officers also "work closely with all policing agencies in a support capacity when required," the news release noted.

They are involved with the RCMP's tactical traffic enforcement unit responsible for highway enforcement and the joint-force integrated enforcement units, which investigate low- to mid-level drug dealers.

According to the department, 80 per cent of New Brunswickers who responded to a 2023 Policing and Public Safety Study said peace officers "could do more to ensure a safe and secure province."

No information about the survey, including how many people responded or whether they were asked specifically about weapons, has been provided.

Justice and Public Safety officers will also wear body cameras in the field now, as officers from many police forces do.

"These cameras aim at strengthening transparency, accountability and public trust," the department said.

"They also help resolve public complaints more quickly, improve interactions with the public and improve evidence gathering."

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169 Comments


David Amos    
Oh My My
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to David Amos   
As public safety minister, Marco Mendicino had a full plate of simmering issues and legislative initiatives.

His successor, Dominic LeBlanc, has plenty of leftovers to tuck into -- from gun control and RCMP modernization to First Nations policing and tackling financial crimes. 

 
 
 
David Amos    
Maybe Austin will send a bunch of his "Peace" Officers to Deer Island  
 
 
Don Corey 
Reply to David Amos    
I suspect you may be right on. 
 
 
 
 
David Amos 
In December 2021, then-minister Ted Flemming called a provincial police force "something we should take a hard look at" because of complaints about inadequate RCMP services, especially in rural areas.

Flemming called it a complex issue and said the province would be giving up the one third of police funding that the federal government covers when the RCMP polices municipalities.

The province has a 20-year contract with the RCMP for policing most of the province that will end in 2032. 

 
Le Wier  
Reply to David Amos
Communities such as Sackville, Bouctouche, Hampton, Saint Andrews, Oromocto, and Campbellton have their own municipal policing agreements with the Mounties, which is different and would need to be addressed by the province.
 
 
David Amos    
  
Reply to Le Wier  
Higgs government rules out provincial police force to replace RCMP

Minister says transition would take a decade and cost would be ‘extremely high’

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Apr 13, 2023 3:53 PM ADT

 
David Amos    
Reply to Le Wier   
It ain't gonna happen 

 
Le Wier  
Reply to David Amos
Agreed. The Mounties are here to stay for the foreseeable future. 
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Le Wier  
Things have changed 
 
 
 
 
David Amos 
 
Oh My My Things have changed

Higgs government rules out provincial police force to replace RCMP

Minister says transition would take a decade and cost would be ‘extremely high’

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Apr 13, 2023 3:53 PM ADT

 
 
 
 
Les Cooper
Good. We need a police forse not a social club  
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Les Cooper 
We need an ethical Justice Minister 
 
 
 
 
Richard Cleveland
Kris Austin is a Blaine Higgs dragalong dating back to the COR agenda. These people are hard right wing fanatics wih an agenda not respective of the general attitude of the majority of New Brunswickers.........I hope.  
 
 
David Amos    

Reply to Richard Cleveland 
Hmmm
 
 
 
 
Adam Smith 
Militarization of police? 
 
 
David Amos    

Reply to Adam Smith
Why not ask the dude named Smith who posted before you? 
 
 
David Amos    

Reply to Adam Smith
Now that was rather special 
 
 
 
 
Donald Smith
Arm all who work with Police I say.

Peace officers also "work closely with all policing agencies in a support capacity when required," the department noted.

They are involved with the RCMP's tactical traffic enforcement unit responsible for highway enforcement and the joint-force integrated enforcement units, which investigate low- to mid-level drug dealers.

 
David Amos    
Reply to Donald Smith
Rangers armed to the teeth? Some Peace Officers 
 
 
Richard Cleveland  
Reply to Donald Smith
watching too many old westen moies
 
 
Richard Cleveland
Reply to Richard Cleveland
movies 
  
 
Richard Cleveland
Reply to Richard Cleveland  
western....bad keyboard 
 
 
 
 
Jos Allaire 
No-need-da-dat!
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Jos Allaire  
So you say EH? 
 
 
 
 
Marc Bourque  
They should of had them years ago!
 
 
Don Corey    
Reply to Marc Bourque 
To dispatch poachers with extreme prejudice?
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Don Corey 
Obviously 
 
 
 
 
Don Corey 
There is absolutely no reason for wildlife officers (forest rangers) to be armed with a semi-automatic carbine. Perhaps more firepower might come in handy for provincial officers involved in drug enforcement, where the danger could exist for confrontations involving illegal firearms (smuggled in from the U.S.).

Austin hasn't come close though to convincing me this is a wise move; far from it.

The money would be better spent on more RCMP active policing throughout the province; especially in the highly neglected rural areas.

 
David Amos    
Reply to Don Corey 
Furthermore anyone can go to the library and check out the newspapers from July 1982 to see why the RCMP enlisted me to investigate and testify at a Coroners Inquiry 
 
 


Edward Andrews  
Huh, I thought these types of firearms served no other purpose than to...what was it Justin Trudeau said, kill the most people in the shortest time? So is there a time when the non-military law enforcement types will need to kill a lot of Canadians in a short time or do firearms like this actually have some utility and if police have them why don't law abiding licensed citizens, well less the 30 round magazine and full automatic fire capability. 
 

Chris Michaels  
Reply to Edward Andrews 
You need to quit using all that logic, integrity and consistency of thought left a long time ago.
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Chris Michaels 
Why?
 
 
G. Timothy Walton  
Reply to Edward Andrews
Repeat after me: Police may enter situations most people will never encounter. Such situations may require significant firepower. Civilians who encounter such situations are almost always up to criminal activity.  
 
 
Edward Andrews
Reply to G. Timothy Walton  
Will not repeat after you. You missed my point. I wasn't arguing against police having such firearms I was suggesting that such firearms have more utility than simply killing the most people in the least time per Justin Trudeau's uninformed opinion which led to bans and wasted tax dollar, political bandwidth and division. I'm also saying if there is a use beyond this then what's the issue with citizens who are licensed and law abiding having similar (not same) firearms, which by the way function the same as many wooden stocked firearms only often with a much smaller bullet. There is a high degree of ignorance, often wilful stupidity, along with a pumping of fear to gain support and compliance around firearms coming from the feds. C21 is complete garbage. As far as wildlife and the general police force having carbines with 30 round magazines, well maybe leave that to the ERT types and stop militarising the police. That's another discussion. 
 
 
 
 
 
Trevor Easton 
I would be interested to see the results of a poll asking NBers whether they think conservation officers should carry AR-15s. Considering how much the govt likes to justify policy with polls and whatnot.
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Trevor Easton  
Me Too 
  

 
Kat Burd 
What a very strange headline. How about law-enforcement officers? Wildlife and peace is a bit of stretch even for here. Of course NB needs better policing options but uh... 
 
 
Bob Smith  
Reply to Kat Burd 
Clearly, the bears and moose herds have formed armed militia groups. 
 
 
Matt Steele 
Reply to Kat Burd 
Public Safety Peace Officers are only paid about one third to a half of what a real police officer is paid , so they have to be very careful of their titles . Not sure why they want to dress them up , and equip them , like real police officers for ? 
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Bob Smith
Welcome back to the circus   
 
 
Christine Martinez 
Reply to Bob Smith
Clearly. In fact, they believe they have the right to bear arms. 
 
 
 
 
 
Bud Gardiner  
“...If you go down in the woods today, you'd better not go alone

It's lovely down in the woods today, but safer to stay at home…”

From Henry Hall’s “The Teddy-Bear’s Picnic”

 
David Amos  
  
Reply to Bud Gardiner
Mama's little baby loves rabbit, rabbit, mama's little baby loves rabbit stew!

Elmer Fudd

 
David Amos    
Reply to David Amos  
Many of my childhood heroes had guns but the Ranger who dealt with the thief Yogi Bear did not

This dude knew how to deal with wild life. Does anyone recall the RCMP using him to tease me with in YouTube?

I paid my four bits to see the high-diving act and I'm a-gonna see the high-diving act

Yosemite Sam

 
  
 
Graeme Scott
In any other CBC article these would be assault rifles that are deadly weapons but in this case they are carbines that are tools.  
 
 
Phoebe Ingas 
Reply to Graeme Scott 
Really transparent what they're doing here. I wonder if any of these rifles are ones that were turned in when they were banned?  
 
 
David Amos    
Reply to Graeme Scott 
Good point 


Rachel Woods 
Reply to Phoebe Ingas   
What are they doing?  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Phoebe Ingas
Of course not. The Taxpayers must buy brand new assault rifles for our "Peace Officers" 
 
 
 
 
Kyle Woodman  
Must be getting ready to push harder on Shale Gas.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman 
Of that I have no doubt  
 
 
 
 
 
Jos Allaire 
I don't recall any fishery officer nor any forest ranger having been slain by poachers on the job in New Nouveau-Brunswick. .


Samual Johnston
Reply to Jos Allaire   
when is the last time you recall mounties being tuned down in the streets of Moncton? if you read ... the move is also to allow them to better support other law enforcement officers
 
 
William Peters 
Reply to Jos Allaire 
It's the flimsiest of rationales they will be using to make sure there's something in place to one day serve some rich faction who might want to hire the RCMP to defend there interests.
 
 
Dan Lee 
Reply to Jos Allaire  
forest rangers?.....w.hat do they do now..... only thing i seen is they look out for companies to cut wood for irving...... 
 
 
Rick MacMillan 
Reply to Jos Allaire 
Just so you are up-to-date: "conservation officers" are those who are armed because they have to confront those carrying weapons (poachers). "Forest rangers" are those who are not armed, they only have to confront companies with fists full of money. 
 
 
Jos Allaire 
Reply to Dan Lee
They are now called conservation officers. Before, they were all forest rangers. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Jos Allaire
They are all "Peace Officers" 
 
 
 
 
Inger Nielsen 
next thing we are gonna see is armed protests. We are looking more and more like the states. Kris Austin seems to forget that this is Canada 
 
 
William Peters
Reply to Inger Nielsen  
There's only one vision these Conservatives/ modern Tories are being true to. The rich and wealthy will have well armed forces to defend them against any perceived rabble who might rise and take what they have. This is the intrinsic fear that was acted upon in the US' second amendment. Well armed militias are protected by the highest law because they may be required by the rich property owners to defend themselves against the have nots (i.e, Shay's rebellion). It's explicitly given and never really talked about. People assume the force is there to protect "freedom", but there is no need to protect the common freedom to be a have not. "To have" means to have to protect what you have. It is very easy to see that this does not serve to deal with petty criminals and wildlife regulation violators. A threat of a lethal force is desirable only where it is envisioned to be of use. Conservatives are always acing to serve the wealthy, imo. This is the power giving dynamic. Liberals are learning to cut in on this power enabling dynamic.  
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Inger Nielsen 
How is having the ability to shoot with more accuracy over a longer distance a bad thing? Canada has always had a strong and safe gun culture. We have been in the top 5 or 7 countries in terms of guns per capita for a very long time.  
 
 
Douglas James 
Reply to Samual Johnston
Yes, I guess its important to fire repeated rounds at a poacher if he's 100 yards ahead of you running through the forest.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Douglas James
Par for the course in the wicked game 
 
 
Samual Johnston
Reply to Douglas James
again read the article - why is it so hard




 
Jos Allaire 
I've never had any reason to fear animals when I took to the woods. I will now have to reassess my fears. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Jos Allaire 
The wild Yankee Turkeys that crossed the Medicine Line are truly scary just ask Minister Mikey  
 
 
 
 
 
Rick MacMillan 
When you add in all the hidden costs to support to the shrinking RCMP contract police, (including municipal-supplied buildings, by-laws enforcement, rent-a-cops, etc etc), our public safety dollars are spread among too many pots. 
 
 
David Amos
 
Reply to Rick MacMillan 
Cry me a river
 
 
 
 
Douglas James
Perhaps arming them with common sense would be better. 
 
 
Dwain White 
Reply to Douglas James 
You are right. Too many of them have a rush when they can put on the uniform and show their power over everyone else. 


Samual Johnston
Reply to Douglas James
seems a little insulting don't you think? explain your comment if you don't mind? how is having the ability to shoot with more accuracy over a longer distance a bad thing?
 
 
Don Smith 
Reply to Douglas James
Shoot first, ask questions later.

That should solve the vigilante problem in NB. Peace officers, conservation officers, just more out there to pull the trigger.

 
Douglas James
Reply to Samual Johnston
This is just part of an ongoing effort to 'militarize' police forces. Conservation officers don't need deadly assault weapons to enforce fish and moose licenses and such. Its just another attempt by the Conservative government to make us believe they are keeping us safe from 'criminals', while they can't even guarantee us safe health care. 
 
 
Douglas James
Reply to Dwain White
When I was younger, I worked in the mailroom of a big city police department. The police cadets would bring in the mail from various divisions. I was immediately struck by the 'macho' image they were all trying to convey. This was years ago, but I have no doubt the attitude remains.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Douglas James
Please define common sense 

 

As new public safety minister, LeBlanc has plenty of tricky leftover files to handle

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OTTAWA -

As public safety minister, Marco Mendicino had a full plate of simmering issues and legislative initiatives.

His successor, Dominic LeBlanc, has plenty of leftovers to tuck into -- from gun control and RCMP modernization to First Nations policing and tackling financial crimes.

As part of a major cabinet shuffle Wednesday, LeBlanc became minister of public safety, democratic institutions and intergovernmental affairs.

He has a head start on one key issue -- addressing concerns about alleged Chinese meddling in Canadian affairs.

Last month, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau asked LeBlanc to consult experts and opposition parties about next steps, including a possible public inquiry into foreign interference.

The government is also mulling the creation of a foreign influence transparency registry to keep better tabs on people acting on behalf of other countries.

In addition, LeBlanc will oversee establishment of the national counter foreign-interference co-ordinator, to be based at Public Safety Canada.

Another priority will be shepherding gun-control legislation, now before the Senate, into law and enacting crucial regulations to flesh out the bill.

The legislation would enshrine a national freeze on handguns, increase penalties for firearm trafficking, move to curb homemade ghost guns and usher in new measures to keep firearms out of the hands of domestic abusers.

The legislation also includes a ban on assault-style firearms falling under a new technical definition that would apply to models designed and manufactured after the bill comes into force.

An attempt to amend the bill last November to include such a definition faltered when Conservative MPs and some gun owners vocally objected, saying it would outlaw many commonly used hunting rifles and shotguns.

Gun-control groups disputed that assessment, but the uproar derailed House of Commons committee hearings and created a high-profile political headache for Mendicino.

LeBlanc will also be expected to implement a long-planned federal buyback of outlawed guns and to revive the Canadian Firearms Advisory Committee, which will provide guidance on gun classification.

First elected in 2000, the New Brunswick MP has long been part of Trudeau's trusted inner circle. LeBlanc has previously handled intergovernmental affairs, infrastructure and communities, fisheries and other portfolios.

Given resistance to the gun bill in some parts of the country, it is likely helpful to have a public safety minister with a record of working successfully with the provinces, said Blake Brown, a historian at St. Mary's University in Halifax.

"He's well known as being skilled at carrying files forward," Brown said in an interview. "So the fact they tapped him to have this portfolio does seem to me to highlight they want a skilled hand doing it, not a rookie."

LeBlanc takes the public safety reins amid renewed debate over the role of the RCMP.

Unfinished business includes beefing up the national police force's management advisory board and reviewing its contracting policing role in several provinces and territories.

LeBlanc will also face concerns from civil society groups about two bills before Parliament -- one to create a new watchdog for both the RCMP and the Canada Border Services Agency and another aimed at giving authorities new tools to respond to emerging dangers in cyberspace.

Among the other tasks for the new minister:

-- Working with Indigenous groups to develop a legislative framework for First Nations policing;

-- bringing forward a proposal for a new Canada Financial Crimes Agency; and

-- advancing reforms to the criminal pardons program, including the possibility of automatically sealing a person's record for certain offences once they have completed their sentence and lived in the community without new convictions.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published July 26, 2023.

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