Tuesday 28 May 2024

Crown prosecutors vote 99% in favour of strike action amid labour shortage, system 'crisis'

 

Crown prosecutors vote 99% in favour of strike action amid labour shortage, system 'crisis'

Province argues strike can't legally happen yet, collective bargaining process continues

New Brunswick Crown prosecutors and family court Crown counsel have voted 99 per cent in favour of strike action.

They have been in contract talks with the provincial government for more than a year and warn the "crisis" facing the criminal justice system is growing, due to recruitment and retention problems.

Prosecutors are "crushed under heavy workloads," with many of them regularly working nights and weekends, and it's putting the justice system at risk, said Shara Munn, president of the New Brunswick Crown Prosecutors Association.

"What we've been told by the employer is that we need to prioritize indictable offences, serious violent offences. … But of course, that does come at the expense of other things," she said.

Prosecutors are sending cases to diversion, or making deals with defence lawyers that they'd rather not make.

"Prosecutors are united and saying with one voice: 'The status quo is not working. The government must act,'" said Munn, noting all members participated in the vote last week.

Conciliation meeting scheduled

Meanwhile the Department of Justice and Public Safety argues prosecutors are not yet at a point where a legal strike vote can be taken.

"The parties have not yet exhausted the collective bargaining process under the Public Service Labour Relations Act," spokesperson Alycia Bartlett said in an emailed statement. "Government remains in active bargaining."

A conciliation meeting is scheduled for June 14-15.

The association wanted to get a clear picture of where the membership stands heading into conciliation, but will do everything possible to avoid a strike, said Munn.

"That's the last thing we want."

'Good' chance of a strike, says law professor

Bruno Gélinas-Faucher, a law professor at the University of Moncton, thinks the chances of a strike are good.

"I'm not in at the negotiation table, but I would say the positions right now are very far apart," he said.

It's part of an unfortunate pattern he has seen unfold in other provinces in recent years due to underfunded justice systems and overwhelmed Crown prosecutors, he said, pointing to the 2022 strike in Alberta and 2019 strike in Nova Scotia as examples.

A portrait of a man with brown hair, a beard and glasses, wearing a blue collared shirt and brown sweater, with his arms crossed. Bruno Gélinas-Faucher, a law professor at the University of Moncton, said New Brunswick came very close to a strike by prosecutors in 2016, but it was averted. He thinks the chances of a strike this time are good. (University of Moncton)

Working conditions and salaries in New Brunswick aren't as good as other jurisdictions, said Gélinas-Faucher. At least four of his graduating students are leaving the province for better offers as prosecutors in Nova Scotia and Quebec, he said.

"And these are New Brunswickers."

The impact of a strike would be "quite dramatic," said Gélinas-Faucher, citing the constitutional right for people to be tried without undue delay.

The Supreme Court of Canada, in the Jordan decision, imposed strict timelines of 18 or 30 months for a trial, depending on the the kind of trial.

Anyone who waits longer than that, "well, you have good chances of getting a stay of proceedings. And so that means that you're off the hook, so to speak," said Gélinas-Faucher.

30 new positions promised a year ago

Munn has previously warned about staffing shortages and charges being stayed because of the inability to adhere to the Supreme Court timelines.

In last year's budget, the government added 30 new prosecutor positions, raising the provincial total to about 90. Justice and Public Safety Minister Kris Austin told the legislature it was a "historic" 50 per cent increase.

But more than 20 positions remain vacant, according to Munn.

And while about 20 prosecutors have been hired, roughly the same number have left — most of them senior, said Munn. "So … we're having a lot of experience going out the door and we're just not able to fill that with the people coming in.

"So we're actually further behind."

Lowest paid in Canada, says president

Compensation is a "huge" issue, said Munn. She described New Brunswick prosecutors as the lowest paid in Canada.

A junior prosecutor earns about $57,000 annually, according to association vice-president Yves Duguay, whereas the average salary across Canada is closer to $95,000, he said.

Better pay would help recruit and retain, which would improve workload, which is the number one issue for members, said Munn.

She is calling on the government to back up its commitment to public safety with a willingness to negotiate fairly and present solutions to recruitment and retention.

"We're committed to making sure New Brunswickers have the justice system they deserve. But if the government doesn't work with us to fix this crisis, more experienced prosecutors will leave and the crisis will get even worse," she said.

"Community public safety could be put at risk."'

In October 2021, Crown prosecutors were among the groups that agreed to wage increases totalling 8.5 per cent over five years, Premier Blaine Higgs had said.

They ratified a tentative agreement, with a vote of 42 in favour and 21 opposed, their union, the Professional Institute of the Public Service of Canada, said at the time.

As of April, the wait for a criminal judge-alone trial requiring one to three days is up to a year in some jurisdictions, such as Saint John and Woodstock, according to figures published quarterly by the Court of King's Bench. For longer judge-alone trials, the wait jumps as high as 18 months in Edmundston.

For judge-and-jury criminal trials, some people in Fredericton are waiting as long as 22 months, the website shows.

With files from Information Morning Fredericton and Information Morning Moncton

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188 Comments
 
 
David Amos
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Anyone recall the outcome of Werner Bock's criminal trial???
 
 
David Amos 
Oh My My Trust that I am enjoying this  
 
 
David Amos  
Does anyone remember when these lawyers sued gnb about their pensions? 


David Amos 
Does anyone remember when the legal aid lawyers went on strike in 2004 because they thought they should get paid as much as the prosecutors?  
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
This was the news 2 years before
 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
Go Figure

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.428309

Legal aid dispute 11 years ago

A Saint John judge is calling on Legal Aid New Brunswick to explain its lawyers failed to show up in two recent court cases

David Amos
Reply to David Amos
N.B. government to force legal aid

Saint john

Published July 26, 2004

The New Brunswick government is prepared to change the law in an effort to restore legal aid services, a justice department spokesman warned Monday.

Criminal defence lawyers withdrew their services to the legal aid system May 3 in an attempt to get wage parity with lawyers who provide ad hoc prosecution services to the Crown.

"We are going to protect the constitutional rights of New Brunswickers to have legal aid," Justice Department spokesman Gary Toft said of a bill that would transfer administration of legal aid from the law society to the director of Legal Aid New Brunswick.

The change would allow the director to hire defence lawyers on contract to take legal aid cases.

"We are prepared to proclaim the law if necessary unless there is movement on the part of the lawyers," Mr. Toft said.

The lack of legal aid lawyers has delayed numerous cases in the province.

The lawyers, who want an immediate pay increase, just rejected the province's latest offer of a multiyear increase that would see parity enforced by Mar. 31, 2007.

"They want everything today. The government just doesn't have the money to do that," Mr. Toft said.

The criminal defence lawyers probably will not meet again as group to discuss the wage dispute until September.

 
 
David Amos  
I wonder if anyone heard what our Federal Minister of Public Safety just said in a parliamentary scrum  
 
Mike Van Fleet
Reply to David Amos
Uh? Uh?
 
David Amos
Reply to Mike Van Fleet
Go to CPAC
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos
He said he did not wish to get fired from the government for answering a question 
 
Mike Van Fleet
Reply to David Amos
I was imitating LeBlanc.
 
Mike Van Fleet
Reply to David Amos
Imagine being worried about being fired for saying something, but doing an awful job is OK?
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to David Amos
Probably something about fully supporting the Anti- protestors and their encampments...
 
Don Corey
Reply to David Amos
This current incompetent federal government is infamous for not answering questions.
 
David Amos
Reply to Don Corey 
C'est Vrai  
 
 
 
David Amos   
Back in 1988 The Crown prosecuted me in a criminal matter thinking that I was a Hells Angel I was exonerated after I embarrassed the hell out them in a Pro Se fashion They tried to do so again in 2007 and chickened out  
 
Sarah Brown 
Reply to David Amos
Completely irrelevant 
 
Evan Day 
Reply to David Amos 
I'll take "things that didn't happen" for $1000.
 
Steph Roche
Reply to David Amos
ah David

you should take up writing novels

your short fiction is attracting reviews for simplicity and ... nah, just simplicity

James McCaffrey
Reply to David Amos 
Cool story bro
 
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
btw where within 20 miles of Shediac is there a 100' (30m) height of land?
 
David Amos
Reply to Steph Roche 
Why have I published your words?
 
David Amos
Reply to Sarah Brown 
Nay not so
 
David Amos 
Content Deactivated 
Reply to Sarah Brown
How many times have you been falsely arrested?
 
David Amos
Reply to Evan Day  
Where are the records of the Coroners Inquest the RCMP enlisted me to testy at in 1982?
 
David Amos
Reply to Sarah Brown 
Do you think I am HA?
 
 
 
David Amos  
Does anyone recall back in 2007 when the Crown Prosecutors were too afraid to meet me in court and deleted their files about the matter?
 
Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
no.............
 
Sarah Brown
Reply to David Amos
again...completely irrelevant
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
Yes you do
 
Al Clark
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sorry, nope ;-)  

 
 
Al Clark
They should wait til intelligence takes over in oct, and savour the backpay

David Amos
Reply to Al Clark
Perhaps you should review old articles

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/lawyer-says-liberal-support-means-business-1.411935

Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
Nope, not that obsessive. I have a life, unlike.............

David Amos
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Reply to Al Clark
Why do you dudes claim I am a Hell Angel?

David Amos

Reply to Al Clark
Am I HA or am I not?

Al Clark

Reply to David Amos
Zero idea, look and smell are not the only determining factors.

Al Clark
Reply to David Amos
ruh roh! maude is up - byeee!
 
 

Lawyer says Liberal support means business

A prominent New Brunswick lawyer has no trouble admitting his support of the federal Liberal party translates into government business. David Lutz of Hampton says his firm works for the federal Justice Department because he works for the party.

Last February, David Lutz sent a memo to the staff at his firm instructing them when, where and how to vote for Shawn Graham in the provincial Liberal leadership race.

The memo said voting for Graham would help the firm, because its number one client is the federal department of justice, and that business is secured by Lutz's profile in the party.

"We've done work work for the party in the past, and it's been my experience that the party returns the favour," Lutz said on Thursday.

The business brought up to $100,000 in revenue to the firm in 2002, enough to keep three of his employees busy.

While the lawyer has no trouble talking about the memo, Graham says the memo is news to him.

"I can say though that I've never discussed government contracts with Mr. Lutz or with the Federal Department of Justice. And I can't comment on the observations made in this memo because it was an inter-office memo in a private sector company and certainly nothing I had any involvement in."

The leader says he does appreciate the support Lutz provided in helping him win the Liberal leadership.

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Mike Van Fleet 
The justice system or the "Just US" system is at risk?
 
Ed Franks
Reply to Mike Van Fleet
What we have here in Canada is a legal system not a justice system. 
 
David Amos
Reply to Mike Van Fleet
It never was just  
 
Mike Van Fleet 
Reply to  Ed Franks
Yes, and it's on full display. 
 
 
 
Dan McIntyre
Why do we even need prosecutors?  
 
Dan McIntyre 
Reply to Dan McIntyre  
With the new federal mandates, the police arrest them and the judge releases them. Round and round we go.
 
David Amos
Reply to Dan McIntyre 
Not always 
 
 
 
Holley Hardin  
Probably tired of our catch and release policies by these Federally appointed judges.... in 2014 Canada's prisons were at 110% of capacity....there is now 2,500 openings... and no it is not because of less crime (as you may imagine).....
 
Jos Allaire 
Reply to Holley Hardin 
More than 90% of criminal cases are heard before provincial appointed Provincial Court judges.
 
Tom McCoubrey
Reply to Holley Hardin 
What's from Holley? Make up something good 
 
Tom McCoubrey
Reply to Jos Allaire  
But that doesn't fall under her false narrative
 
Eric Red 
Reply to Jos Allaire
Those judges still have to follow the Criminal Code of Canada, eh? 
 
Jos Allaire
Reply to Holley Hardin
The Criminal Code has minimum and maximum penalties. Judges have a lot of leaway when imposing sentences. 
 
Paul Greggory 
Reply to Eric Red 
Eh
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Tom McCoubrey
What do you find false about what I posted...feel free to post "Your numbers"... 
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Tom McCoubrey
Total (Adult) incarcerations 2014 (when it maxed)15,140...2023 inspite of a 10% increase in population and an in crease in crime....12,394

Source Statistics Canada...

Wilbur Ross 
Reply to Holley Hardin
False. 
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Wilbur Ross 
As I suggested to Tom...feel free to post "Your Numbers"...
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Jos Allaire 
And?..."The federal government appoints judges of the Supreme Court of Canada, federal courts, and provincial and territorial superior courts.
 
Wilbur Ross 
Reply to Holley Hardin
😂 
 
Wilbur Ross 
Reply to Holley Hardin
Doin' some hard math on the etch-a-sketch eh? Nice. 👍 
 
David Amos
Reply to Jos Allaire
Most cases are never heard 
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Wilbur Ross 
Got "Your" numbers yet?...  
 
Holley Hardin
Reply to Wilbur Ross  
So you have nothing to refute those numbers do you?...figure... 
 
Wilbur Ross 
Reply to Holley Hardin
😂  
 
 
 
Patrick Bricker 
Reply to Eric Red
We're doing very well. Record crime rates, record homelessness, record food bank usage, record home prices and grocery prices..sunny ways.   
 
Eric Red
Reply to Patrick Bricker 
Yup, you nailed it.  
 
Al Clark 
Reply to Patrick Bricker    
tol y'all it was justin's fault ;-)
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark 
Yup 
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark   
Harry Truman said it best "The buck stops here"



Kyle Woodman 
GNB used to be a very good employer. Now it just isn't worth working in the civil service. Pay band for prosecutors is 56k to 144k, and takes 18 years from one end to the other. almost every other province is in the 92k to 200k range, and it doesn’t take two decades to get there.

It's basically the same situation for engineers.

And they wonder why it's hard to recruit and retain staff.

I know lots of people are fleeing GNB for the private sector.

The only ones staying are retiring soon, and are just putting in time.

Al Clark 
Reply to Kyle Woodman 
Maybe outhouse can "find" a company $1000/hr to "find" travel prosecutors?
 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to Al Clark 
I think you are joking, but i'm sure that's a "solution" they are looking at.
 
David Amos
Reply to Kyle Woodman 
Of course he is GNB has used prosecutors from Quebec in the past 
 
David Amos
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Reply to Kyle Woodman
Welcome back to the circus 
 
 
 
JOhn D Bond  
No surprise here. staff shortages are the go to play for the Higgs government and a large contributor to the budget surpluses each year.

We are continually told that the main reason for some of this is the international shortage of health care professionals, when will we hear that lawyers are now in short supply.

Chris Merriam 
Reply to  JOhn D Bond 
If you have information to the contrary, please share. You can blame govt all you wish, but there just arent people out there to hire. 
 
JOhn D Bond  
Reply to Chris Merriam 
Nonsense. Like all things if demand exceeds supply the cost to obtain it increases. The shortage is based on fiscal limitations that

a) do not reflect the cost to attract and hire

b) create overstated budget expense lines that at the end of the year become a large contributor to the surprise budget surplus.

If it is that dire, how is it NS has had much better success in attracting some of these medical professionals that NB has.

Chris Merriam 
Reply to  JOhn D Bond 
You can soapbox talk all day, but it doesn't change the fact that these people aren't available for hire. And as far as Nova Scotia goes, if you care to do a little reading, you'll find that they're having the same issues as us. It's happening everywhere. But that's OK, keep blaming the govt for your issues. 
 
JOhn D Bond  
Reply to Chris Merriam 
You can deflect all you want. Funny how you defer to the headlines and not the facts. How many doctors has NS hired versus NB, how about nurses, now it is happening with lawyers, oh and what a surprise, apparently also happening in housing starts and lets not forget about ineffective rent controls where the actual legislation did not accomplish what they claimed it would.

Keep deflecting his days as premier are numbered.

Clive Gibbons
Reply to  JOhn D Bond 
In addition to recruitment problems present in every field, the province had a serious retention problem. Who knew that when a micromanager to the extreme sticks his greasy paws in everything people head for the door? 
 
Kyle Woodman
Reply to Clive Gibbons 
That's what I did. Glad I got out when I did. 
 
Al Clark
Reply to Chris Merriam
Nonsense! btw I've tried everywhere to buy a new F150 for $20,000. No takers; therefore there are no new F150s ;-) 
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark 
Why not buy another G4TR? 
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark 
BTW I still have the F150 you dudes teased me about in 2007 when your buddies stole my Harley then refused to prosecute me
 
Al Clark  
Reply to David Amos
Why not buy another panhead, or better yet build one from catalogs?
 
David Amos
Reply to Al Clark 
You know I own many bikes but your pals stole MY Panhead 
 

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