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Saint John responsible for harm caused by policeman's child sex abuse: Supreme Court

 
 
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Saint John responsible for harm caused by policeman's child sex abuse: Supreme Court

Top court rejects city's request to appeal vicarious liability decision

The Supreme Court of Canada has refused to hear an appeal by the City of Saint John in the case of a police officer who sexually abused children decades ago. 

That means last year's decision by the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick will stand — that the City of Saint John is vicariously liable for the sexual abuse committed by Kenneth Estabrooks while he was a police officer. 

The only thing left to be sorted out is how much victims will get paid, said Halifax lawyer John McKiggan, who acted for representative plaintiff Bobby Hayes and other class members in the lawsuit against the city. 

He estimates that the suit could cost the city about $20 million. 

The profile of a man with grey hair and a beard, wearing a white shirt and black blazer. Halifax lawyer John McKiggan, seen here in a file photo, acted for representative plaintiff Bobby Hayes and other class members in the lawsuit against the city. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

McKiggan said individual damage awards for sexual abuse typically run from about $50,000 to $100,000 — to over $1 million for "the worst cases." 

"So here in Atlantic Canada, for example, these types of cases tend to be resolved in advance of trial somewhere in the range of $200,000 to $400,000. That's not an unusual range," said McKiggan after the Supreme Court's decision was released Thursday morning. 

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A Saint John police officer abused children for decades. And the city has to pay

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The Supreme Court of Canada has refused to hear an appeal by the City of Saint John in the case of Kenneth Estabrooks, who sexually abused children while he was a police officer. The plaintiffs’ lawyer says the city is obligated to compensate everyone.

He said the city's own private investigator came up with a potential list of hundreds who said they were abused by Estabrooks. 

"So if you assume an average damage award of $200,000 and only 100 claimants, that's $20 million," said McKiggan.

"I suspect there are more than 100 survivors out there, so the city has some very significant financial peril in front of them now," he said. 

McKiggan isn't sure how much the city's insurance policies will cover. 

So although there "likely is some insurance to cover some of these claims, it's also likely that the insurance won't be sufficient to cover all of the claims."

City considering 'next steps'

The city was asked to provide someone for an interview but responded with a one-line email: "The City was just informed of the Supreme Court of Canada's decision and will be getting advice on next steps."

Mayor Donna Reardon did not respond to an interview request by publication time.

McKiggan said the Supreme Court's decision vindicates Bobby Hayes's "long battle" to hold the city accountable for Estabrooks's actions. 

Although pleased with the decision, Hayes said in an interview Thursday that "money will never undo what he's done." 

While he's still haunted by his own memories of abuse suffered at the hands of Estabrooks, Hayes said he's also haunted by the stories of other victims.

He can still vividly recall standing on the corner of St. James and Charlotte streets and watching Estabrooks drive by in a police car with an eight-year-old boy in the backseat. 

 Grey-haired man in dark hoodie sits on a wooden bench in front of a playground.After Thursday's Supreme Court of Canada decision, Bobby Hayes said 'money will never undo' what Estabrooks did. (Graham Thompson/CBC News)

Hayes said the boy's tear-soaked face was pressed up against the glass as he cried out for help "because he knew what would happen when he got down to Tin Can Beach." 

Standing on the street as a boy, Hayes also knew what was going to happen to Estabrooks's young passenger.

"Stuff like that sticks with me," said Hayes. 

That particular victim is still around. Hayes says the man "now has a real bad drug addiction." 

"I see the victims on a daily basis. I see the the damage that it's done through alcohol, drug abuse, suicides." 

Lawsuit began in 2013

Hayes has been fighting on behalf of victims for more than a decade. 

Estabrooks was charged criminally in 1999 with four counts of indecent assault and eventually convicted and sentenced to six years in prison, where he died in 2005. 

Hayes, as the representative plaintiff, began his lawsuit against the city in 2013. 

In March 2023, a Court of King's Bench decision said the city was not vicariously liable for harm caused, but that decision was overturned last September on appeal. 

In its decision last year, the Court of Appeal of New Brunswick said Estabrooks "used the power and status of his job to sexually abuse vulnerable and impressionable children." 

"When Estabrooks initiated the abuse, which was often at the most repugnant end of the spectrum, he was wearing a City-issued police uniform and badge, and in control of a City patrol car, his City-issued handgun almost invariably visible and always within reach."

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Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint John. She can be reached at mia.urquhart@cbc.ca.

 
 
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David Amos 
Surprise Surprise Surprise  
 
 
MICHAEL O'DELL  
All the cover ups and tranfers are coming back to haunt the city 
 
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/saint-john-liable-sexual-abuse-kenneth-estabrooks-police-officer-bobby-hayes-appeal-1.6966557

Saint John liable for sexual abuse by Kenneth Estabrooks while a
police officer, top court rules


'Happy day,' says Bobby Hayes, representative plaintiff in 10-year
class action, but it's not over yet

Bobbi-Jean MacKinnon · CBC News · Posted: Sep 14, 2023 4:11 PM ADT

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An investigation launched by the City of Saint John in 2012 revealed
Kenneth Estabrooks may have abused hundreds of children over a
three-decade period. (CBC)

New Brunswick's highest court has ruled the City of Saint John is
vicariously liable for the sexual abuse of children by Kenneth
Estabrooks while he worked as a police officer decades ago.

In a written decision Thursday, the Court of Appeal set aside a nearly
year-old Court of King's Bench decision, with the issue of costs to be
addressed later.

The lower court judge "committed reversible error in finding the
police officer was not an employee of the City when he perpetrated,
during working hours, the sexual abuse in question and that the
'strong connection' between job functions and wrongdoing required to
justify the imposition of the vicarious liability was not
established," Justice Ernest Drapeau wrote on behalf of the
three-justice panel.

It's "a hugely important decision" and a legal precedent, according to
Halifax-based lawyer John McKiggan, who acted for representative
plaintiff Bobby Hayes and other class members in the lawsuit against
the city.

The lawsuit stemmed from the harm Estabrooks inflicted between 1953
and 1975, as a police officer, and between 1975 and 1983, when he was
transferred to the city works department after he admitted to sexual
relationships with two teenage boys.

"It means that the survivors … will have a means of recourse,"
McKiggan said of the Appeal Court's decision. "They will have some
measure of accountability now for what happened to them."

Damages could be in the 'tens of millions'

Until now, case law across the country suggested that municipalities
could not be held responsible for wrongful acts by police officers
prior to the late-'70s, he said.

"And what the Court of Appeal has done here is … recognized that the
law has evolved."

He estimates there could be hundreds of victims and that the city
could face damages worth "tens of millions" of dollars, based on
similar cases dealing with the "lasting harms and catastrophic effects
of historical child abuse."
City to argue statute of limitations

The 10-year legal battle isn't over, however.

On Sept. 28, the Appeal Court will hear arguments from the city that
the survivors waited too long to come forward; that the statute of
limitations bars their claims.

In addition, a cross-appeal by the city against the 2022 finding that
it's vicariously liable for the alleged sexual assaults Estabrooks
committed after his transfer to the city works department, has been
adjourned. The court has asked the trial judge to determine whether
the Workers' Compensation Act bars any of the claims.

The profile of a man with grey hair and a beard, wearing a white shirt
and black blazer.
Plaintiffs' lawyer John McKiggan says that until now, historical case
law across the country suggested municipalities could not be held
responsible for wrongful acts committed by police officers prior to
the late-1970s. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

Still, McKiggan was excited to deliver the news to Hayes.

"It was one of the best calls I've ever made," said McKiggan, who
commended Hayes for his courage in coming forward about what happened
to him as a child and young man, and in "trying to hold the city
accountable for their role in this terrible tragedy."
'Finally … justice is in sight'

"It's a happy day for me, a happy day," Hayes, 64, told CBC. "Finally,
you know, justice is in sight."

He credited McKiggan with being "relentless" and described him as a "godsend."

"I see the victims every day, including myself, and see the
devastation, you know, the alcohol, the drugs, suicides, and the
hardships that people go through. And not only them, the horrific
things that happened to them, but it's passed on to their families,
the things that were done to them, that affected them."

A close-up profile of a man with short,grey hair.
Bobby Hayes says he feels relieved by the Court of Appeal's decision,
but he'll be 'glad when it's all over.' (Graham Thompson/CBC)

Hayes, one of five men who testified during the class-action last
summer, told the court he was first sexually assaulted by Estabrooks
in 1970 as a 10-year-old, and many other times over the next three or
four years.

Hayes also alleged he was sexually assaulted by Estabrooks again as a
young man, when they were both employed by the city works department,
and that supervisors simply advised him to "move faster" to avoid
being assaulted.

On Thursday, Hayes alleged one of his childhood friends was raped by
Estabrooks in his police car while the boy's brother was handcuffed to
the steering wheel.

    Plaintiffs in class action over child abuser asked to pay costs to
City of Saint John

He regularly gets stopped on the street by fellow alleged victims, who
want to share their "heartbreaking" stories, he said. One woman
recently read him a letter from her father, who had passed away and
wanted to thank Hayes for "standing up for the rest of us."

The man was allegedly repeatedly abused by Estabrooks in his police
car, starting when he was eight years old, and eventually became an
alcoholic, according to Hayes.

"It's something that's never going to go away, but at least the
victims have found justice through John."

City spokesperson Lisa Caissie declined to comment, saying the city
just received a copy of the court's decision. "We are looking into it
and are not in a position to comment at this time," she said in an
email.

Estabrooks retired in 1983. In 1999, the former sergeant was found
guilty of indecent assault against four children, in cases dating back
to the 1950s, and sentenced to six years in prison. He died in 2005.

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OTTAWA -- May 4, 2006 -- Rob Moore, M.P. (Fundy Royal) and
Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Justice, today lent his
voice to the chorus of Canadians supporting the new Conservative
Government's efforts to tackle serious crime.

Minister of Justice Vic Toews today introduced legislation to toughen
sentencing for crimes involving firearms by enhancing the mandatory
minimum penalty provisions of the Criminal Code. The Minister also
introduced a companion bill to end the availability of conditional
sentences for serious crimes.

"Not only will criminals be generally deterred from gun crime but
those involved in repeated gun offences will be removed from
circulation," said Moore. "The revolving door has finally been shut."

Under the proposed legislation, the use of a firearm in committing a
serious offence will be subject to a significant sentence. If, for
example, an offence is gang-related, or if a restricted or prohibited
firearm such as a handgun is used, the minimum penalty will be:
5 years on a first offence
7 years if the accused has one prior conviction involving the use of a
firearm to commit an offence
10 years if the accused has more than one prior conviction for using a
firearm to commit an offence

In the case of Conditional Sentences, the proposed reforms would
prohibit the use of conditional sentences for offences prosecuted by
indictment and punishable by a maximum sentence of 10 years or more.
Those convicted of serious violent and sexual offences, as well as
other significant crimes, such as major drug offences, would be
ineligible to receive a conditional sentence.

Said Moore of the Government's reform of house arrest laws, "The
commision of a serious offence which might have landed you in jail in
the past will certainly put you there now." Online versions of the
proposed legislation are available at www.parl.gc.ca


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/estabrooks-class-action-lawsuit-1.6736452


Plaintiffs in class action over child abuser asked to pay costs to
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Lawsuit alleges city liable for police officer who sexually abused children
Mia Urquhart · CBC News · Posted: Feb 03, 2023 4:58 PM AST | Last
Updated: 2 hours ago
Bobby Hayes is confident the New Brunswick Court of Appeal will
overturn last year's decision in the class-action lawsuit against the
City of Saint John. (Graham Thompson/CBC)

Bobby Hayes says "Good luck" to the City of Saint John if it expects
him to pick up the tab for a decade-long class-action lawsuit.

"Telling me that I'm going to cover their legal costs — they're
crazy," Hayes, the representative plaintiff in the lawsuit against the
city, said Friday after another court appearance in the case.

"Good luck with that one. And the city doesn't want to celebrate too
early because they're the ones that are going to be paying when this
appeal is gone through and the city is found guilty."

Justice William Grant of the New Brunswick Court of Queen's Bench has
reserved decision on whether to award costs to the city. No return
date has been set.
Moved from police to works department

The lawsuit alleges the city is responsible for the actions of one of
its employees who is alleged to have sexually assaulted dozens of
children during his time as a police officer.

Kenneth Estabrooks was a police officer from 1953 to 1975, when he was
transferred to the city's works department after admitting to sexual
relationships with two teenage boys.

He continued to be employed by the city until his retirement in 1983.
Elderly man in a burgundy suit jacket.
Kenneth Estabrooks was found guilty in 1999 of indecent assault of
children while he was a Saint John police officer. He was sentenced to
six years. (CBC)

In 1999, the former sergeant was found guilty of indecent assault
against four children, in cases dating back to the 1950s. He was
sentenced to six years in prison.

The class-action began in 2013 and finally got to trial in June 2022.
The six-day trial heard testimony from five men ranging in age from 58
to 66. They said Estabrooks preyed upon them when they were boys in
Saint John.

The only one that can be named is Hayes, the representative plaintiff.

Hayes said he was first sexually assaulted by Estabrooks in 1970 as a
10-year-old and many other times over the next three or four years.

Hayes also alleged that he was sexually assaulted again by Estabrooks
as a young man, when they were both employed by the city works
department, and that supervisors simply advised him to "move faster"
to avoid being assaulted.
City only partially liable

Grant eventually ruled that the city was not vicariously liable for
Estabrooks's actions while he was a police officer. It was only
vicariously liable for the period of time while Estabrooks was
employed in the works department.

As the city's lawyer, Michael Brenton, pointed out during arguments on
Friday morning, the only allegations of sexual assault during that
period of time were made by Hayes, who said he was aware of three
other adult employees of the works department.

Following last year's trial, the city asked for costs to be awarded.
It was that issue that took the case back to court on Friday.

Lawyers for the plaintiff argued that the law allows for no costs to
be ordered in certain circumstances, said lawyer Celeste Poltak.

Foremost among them, she said, is to protect access to justice for
everyone. She said many of the class members are "extremely vulnerable
and marginalized individuals."

Not making plaintiffs pay costs, said Poltak, will "ensure no chilling
effect on future cases."

Otherwise, she said, people who aren't able to pay will not attempt to
seek justice through the courts.
Judge's decision appealed

Hayes is confident that he won't have to pay. In fact, he's optimistic
that the Court of Appeal will rule in the plaintiffs'  favour

Another lawyer for the plaintiffs, Adam Tanel, said they believe the
judge erred by not making the city liable for the actions of one of
its police officers.

"We think the decision was wrong. We think that municipalities are
responsible for their police forces — that the City of Saint John had
authority over the Saint John Police Force, had extensive control over
operations.
Head and shoulders picture of a man in dark suit.
Adam Tanel is part of the legal team for the plaintiffs in the class
action against the City of Saint John. (Submitted by Adam Tanel)

"The City of Saint John provided the guns, the handcuffs and the car
that this abuser used to perpetrate these assaults. The city ought to
be held liable."

So far, no date has been set for the Court of Appeal to hear the case.

If Grant's decision stands, only those who were abused between 1975
and 1983 will be eligible for compensation.

This is torture, living with what he's done. ​​

    - Bobby Hayes

Based on evidence heard at last year's trial, that would include Hayes
and three other men he said he was aware of.

It would not include dozens of plaintiffs who said they were sexually
abused by Estabrooks when they were children.

Hayes said the class includes roughly 140 individuals. He said he's
aware of many more who are no longer alive, and others who have
stories to tell but aren't strong enough to go through the legal
fight.

"This is torture, living with what he's done," said Hayes.

Tanel said, "I think we can't can't overstate the extent of the damage
that this monster caused … But it's also a story of human bravery.

"It's remarkable that Bobby Hayes was able to come forward and be such
a strong advocate on behalf of the countless children that this
monster abused."
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Mia Urquhart

Mia Urquhart is a journalist with CBC New Brunswick, based in Saint
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From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:34:00 -0400
Subject: RE Ottawa sets aside $900M to settle sexual misconduct
lawsuits I did call all of your law firms and tried to remind your
people of my prior contacts CORRECT?
To: raywagner@wagners.co, jharnum@kmlaw.ca, qhs_gmh@globetrotter.net,
cflood@kmlaw.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>, "harjit.sajjan"
<harjit.sajjan@parl.gc.ca>, "Jonathan.Vance"
<Jonathan.Vance@forces.gc.ca>

Raymond F. Wagner, Q.C.
Phone: 902-425-7330
Email: raywagner@wagners.co


James Harnum
Phone: 416-542-6285.
Email: jharnum@kmlaw.ca


G. Marc Henry
Phone: 418-682-8924 Ext: 225
Email: qhs_gmh@globetrotter.net

Craig Flood
Phone: 416-595-2105
Email: cflood@kmlaw.ca


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "MEDIA-MÉDIAS (VAC/ACC)" <vac.media-medias.acc@canada.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:28:32 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: How Ottawa gave up its entitlements to
embrace ethics SWAT teams Yea Right I agree now tell me another one Mr
Egan while allt unethical journalists
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dale Morgan <dale.morgan@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:28:33 -0400
Subject: Re: How Ottawa gave up its entitlements to embrace ethics
SWAT teams Yea Right I agree now tell me another one Mr Egan while
allt unethical journalists
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

I am currently AOL returning August 6th.  Please contact Sgt. James
MACPHERSON (Sussex) or Staff Ben JOLETTE (Southeast District)
in my absence.  I am also on my  cell.




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dwayne Woodman <dwayne.woodman@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:28:33 -0400
Subject: Re: How Ottawa gave up its entitlements to embrace ethics
SWAT teams Yea Right I agree now tell me another one Mr Egan while
allt unethical journalists (Vacation)
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Je serai hors du bureau jusque le 24 juillet 2019.

I will be out of the office until July 24 th, 2019.

>>> David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> 07/19/19 13:28 >>>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/egan-how-ottawa-gave-up-its-entitlements-to-embrace-ethics-swat-teams
How Ottawa gave up its entitlements to embrace ethics SWAT teams
Kelly Egan
Updated: January 2, 2019

"$100 is not a penalty for a serious ethical breach; it’s a parking
ticket. The pendulum, people, has swung too far the other way. We are
sending out highly paid storm troopers for people possibly guilty of
jaywalking.

We are so, so out to lunch on this one."

To contact Kelly Egan, please call 613-726-5896 or email
kegan@postmedia.com.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:22:38 -0400
Subject: Methinks the Clerk of the Privy Council Ian Shugart and many
others can't play dumb N'esy Pas Catherine Blewett?
To: Catherine.Blewett@pco-bcp.gc.ca, Newsroom@globeandmail.com,
Jonathan.Vance@forces.gc.ca, Gilles.Moreau@forces.gc.ca,
harjit.sajjan@parl.gc.ca, hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca,
Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca, Jane.Philpott@parl.gc.ca,
jagmeet.singh@parl.gc.ca, maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca,
andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca, blaine.higgs@gnb.ca,
barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca,
David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca, mcu@justice.gc.ca, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca,
leader@greenparty.ca, elizabeth.may@parl.gc.ca, lisa.raitt@parl.gc.ca,
Bill.Casey@parl.gc.ca, tony.clement@parl.gc.ca,
Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
Paul.Shuttle@pco-bcp.gc.ca, Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca, Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, pm@pm.gc.ca,
Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca, Karen.Ludwig@parl.gc.ca,
Alaina.Lockhart@parl.gc.ca, premier@gnb.ca, premier@ontario.ca,
news@kingscorecord.com, news@dailygleaner.com, news@hilltimes.com,
david.eidt@gnb.ca, David.Akin@globalnews.ca, steve.murphy@ctv.ca,
mlo-blm@forces.gc.ca
Cc: motomaniac333 <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

---------- Original message ----------
From: "Shugart, Ian" <Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:06:06 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks everybody knows why I called the
Media Relations Department of National Defence (613-996-2353)
immediately after I read this news statement # 83 of my lawsuit said
enough N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Please note that Ian Shugart, Clerk of the Privy Council, will be out
of the office from July 8 to July 19 inclusively. During his absence,
you can contact Catherine Blewett at 613-957-5466.

All correspondence and various requests should be routed in the usual
manner.

Thank you

**************************************************************

Veuillez prendre note qu’Ian Shugart, Greffier du Conseil privé, sera
absent du bureau le 8 au 19 juillet, 2019.  Pendant son absence, vous
pouvez communiquer avec Catherine Blewett au 613-957-5466.

Toute correspondance et autres demandes doivent être acheminées de
façon habituelle.

Merci



---------- Original message ----------
From: "Hon.Ralph.Goodale  (PS/SP)" <Hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:05:58 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks everybody knows why I called the
Media Relations Department of National Defence (613-996-2353)
immediately after I read this news statement # 83 of my lawsuit said
enough N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Merci d'avoir ?crit ? l'honorable Ralph Goodale, ministre de la
S?curit? publique et de la Protection civile.
En raison d'une augmentation importante du volume de la correspondance
adress?e au ministre, veuillez prendre note qu'il pourrait y avoir un
retard dans le traitement de votre courriel. Soyez assur? que votre
message sera examin? avec attention.
Merci!
L'Unit? de la correspondance minist?rielle
S?curit? publique Canada
*********

Thank you for writing to the HonourDue to the significant increase in
the volume of correspondence
addressed to the Minister, please note there could be a delay in
processing your email. Rest assured that your message will be
carefully reviewed.
Thank you!
Ministerial Correspondence Unit
Public Safety Canada



---------- Original message ----------
From: "Eidt, David (JAG/JPG)" <David.Eidt@gnb.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:05:54 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks everybody knows why I called the
Media Relations Department of National Defence (613-996-2353)
immediately after I read this news statement # 83 of my lawsuit said
enough N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

I am out of the office until Tuesday afternoon, July 23.  For
immediate assistance, please dial (506) 453-2222.

Je suis absent du bureau jusqu'au 23 Juillet.  Si vous avez besoin de
l'assistance immediate svp appeler 453-2222.



---------- Original message ----------
From: Premier of Ontario | Premier ministre de l’Ontario
<Premier@ontario.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:05:59 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks everybody knows why I called the
Media Relations Department of National Defence (613-996-2353)
immediately after I read this news statement # 83 of my lawsuit said
enough N'esy Pas?
To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>

Thank you for your email. Your thoughts, comments and input are greatly
valued.

You can be assured that all emails and letters are carefully read,
reviewed and taken into consideration.

There may be occasions when, given the issues you have raised and the
need to address them effectively, we will forward a copy of your
correspondence to the appropriate government official. Accordingly, a
response may take several business days.

Thanks again for your email.
______­­

Merci pour votre courriel. Nous vous sommes très reconnaissants de
nous avoir fait part de vos idées, commentaires et observations.

Nous tenons à vous assurer que nous lisons attentivement et prenons en
considération tous les courriels et lettres que nous recevons.

Dans certains cas, nous transmettrons votre message au ministère
responsable afin que les questions soulevées puissent être traitées de
la manière la plus efficace possible. En conséquence, plusieurs jours
ouvrables pourraient s’écouler avant que nous puissions vous répondre.

Merci encore pour votre courriel.




---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:05:51 -0400
Subject: Methinks everybody knows why I called the Media Relations
Department of National Defence (613-996-2353) immediately after I read
this news statement # 83 of my lawsuit said enough N'esy Pas?
To: Newsroom@globeandmail.com, Jonathan.Vance@forces.gc.ca,
Gilles.Moreau@forces.gc.ca, harjit.sajjan@parl.gc.ca,
hon.ralph.goodale@canada.ca, Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.ca,
Jane.Philpott@parl.gc.cajagmeet.singh@parl.gc.ca,
maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca, andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca,
blaine.higgs@gnb.ca, barbara.massey@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
Nathalie.Drouin@justice.gc.ca, David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca,
mcu@justice.gc.ca, jan.jensen@justice.gc.ca, leader@greenparty.ca,
elizabeth.may@parl.gc.ca, lisa.raitt@parl.gc.ca,
Bill.Casey@parl.gc.ca, tony.clement@parl.gc.ca,
Brenda.Lucki@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Larry.Tremblay@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
Paul.Shuttle@pco-bcp.gc.ca, Ian.Shugart@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
Kevin.Vickers@gnb.ca, Kevin.leahy@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
Cc: motomaniac333@gmail.com, pm@pm.gc.ca, Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca,
Karen.Ludwig@parl.gc.ca, Alaina.Lockhart@parl.gc.ca, premier@gnb.ca,
premier@ontario.ca, news@kingscorecord.com, news@dailygleaner.com,
news@hilltimes.com, david.eidt@gnb.ca, David.Akin@globalnews.ca,
steve.murphy@ctv.ca, mlo-blm@forces.gc.ca

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/07/ottawa-sets-aside-900m-to-settle-sexual.html


Friday, 19 July 2019

Ottawa sets aside $900M to settle sexual misconduct lawsuits against
Canadian Armed Forces

https://twitter.com/DaReplying to @DavidRayAmos @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks everybody knows why I called the Media Relations Department
of National Defence (613-996-2353) immediately after I read this news
statement # 83 of my lawsuit said enough N'esy Pas?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html


#cdnpoli #nbpoli


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/military-sexual-misconduct-settlement-1.5216307


Ottawa sets aside $900M to settle sexual misconduct lawsuits against
Canadian Armed Forces
Class members will be eligible for compensation between $5,000 and
$55,000

Catharine Tunney · CBC News · Posted: Jul 18, 2019 5:05 PM ET
 
 

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