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Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you
have contacted two others lol.
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Are you talking to me Davis or one of the other Marc Martin ?
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
*I don't even have a HEALTH CARE CARD *
He should have one, its not normal to think there is only one Marc
Martin across Canada....
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Come one Davis you know who you are.
Marc Martin
@Mario Doucet
*SANB is playing with fire and could get burned.*
It makes me laugh when you target a non-for profit organization with
no power only because it French.
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Your making no sense again Davis...
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Uh Oh Libel right there Davis !!!
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
*Methinks when your lawyer read my lawsuit he would know that I was
barred from the Highland Games in Fat Fred City in 2015 N'esy Pas?*
Lawyers ? I think you have the wrong Marc Martin, try the other 2.
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
*we are absolutely going to riot in the streets.. I will lead us*
I don't find that hard to believe, you where part of the anti-French
rally's in Fredericton..
stephen blunston
cancel these gamers already NB can not afford them to begin with even
if it was only 10 million, the organisers didn't not give an honest
assessment of costs when they planned it so NB should give zero extra
dollars take the organserr to court and sue them for lying period . if
higgs caves and offer more he is done .. time to stop all the welfare
for these types of events the oraganisers and the holders of games
whether it is the francaphonie games or Olympic walk away with a lot
of cash leaving the taxpayers the bills it is not right and needs to
end now« less
David R. Amos
Content disabled.
@stephen blunston "NB should give zero extra dollars take the
organserr to court and sue them for lying period"
I wholeheartedly agree
David R. Amos
@stephen blunston Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely
agreeing with you N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
*Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?*
If it was for me you would be completely banned.
McKenzie King
Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak
a certain language. NB is broke. It doesn't have two nickles to rub
together or a pot to p**s in, yet we are expected to spend money on
this foolishness. If we have to spend money we don't have, let's spend
it on something useful, not on something to support differences in
people because of the language they speak.
Marc Martin
@McKenzie King
*Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak
a certain language*
Anyone could participate in these games regardless of their language...
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks not just anyone is making money off of this
francophonie nonsense N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Au contraire mon frere .
Only for New Brunswickers and Canadians, the ones on the hook if this
boondoggle goes ahead.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
What does this comment have to do with mine ??
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks even you must understand that the dude is making
fun of you because the government supported SANB spin doctors have
become irrelevant N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
I have no idea what your talking about, maybe the 2 other Marc Martin
would know you should contact them lol.
Craig O'Donnell
Whether it's federal dollars or provincial, it's still taxpayers
footing the bill, and I doubt taxpayers in Alberta or Saskatchewan are
much interested in paying for games that have no benefit for them.
Marc Martin
@Craig O'Donnell
They didn't complain when the Feds gave the Pan-Am game in Ontario 2 Billion ?
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin There is a lesson to learn from games: Two Ontario mayors
are calling on Toronto to pick up the tab for cost overruns from the
Pan Am Games. Ontario's auditor general said Wednesday the games came
in $342 million over budget, with more than $5 million being spent on
performance bonuses...Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley has long opposed
funding the games, calling the event a "tremendous waste."
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks nobody believes you N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you
have contacted two others lol.
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks everybody know who you are by now N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
I think your the only one who thinks knows who I am...
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks even you must understand about IP addresses N'esy Pas?
On 1/16/19, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> Tuesday, 15 January 2019
>
> Methinks many folks would agree that Robert Gauvin and Dominic Leblanc
> deserve each other
>
> https://twitter.com/
>
>
>
>
> David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
> Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 49 others
> Methinks many folks would agree that Robert Gauvin and Dominic Leblanc
> deserve each other and would easily understand why I am honoured that
> they both hate me as well N'esy Pas?
>
>
> #nbpoli #cdnpoli
>
>
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/
>
>
> Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
> Cost of games ballooned to $130 million from $17 million
> Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jan 15, 2019 2:08 PM AT
>
>
>
> Your account has been banned permanently. Reason: Your account has
> been blocked due to comments that could be construed as 'hate speech'
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> please visit: http://www.cbc.ca/aboutcbc/
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law
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Subject: RE: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:25:26 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason
with David Lametti's minions and got nowhere fast Surprise Surprise
Surprise N'esy Pas Petev Baby Mackay?
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:00:58 -0400
Subject: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason with
David Lametti's minions and got nowhere fast Surprise Surprise
Surprise N'esy Pas Petev Baby Mackay?
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andrew.scheer@parl.gc.ca, charlie.angus@parl.gc.ca,
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Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, scott.bardsley@canada.ca,
scott.brison@parl.gc.ca, scott.macrae@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca, Beverley.Busson@sen.parl.gc.ca
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:58:23 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: C'yall in Court
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:18:45 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law
school too N'esy Pas Pierre Poilievre?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:18:40 -0400
Subject: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law school too N'esy
Pas Pierre Poilievre?
To: David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca, Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.
pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca,mc
michael.chong@parl.gc.ca, Michael.Wernick@pco-bcp.gc.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Newsroom@globeandmail.com,
Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, serge.rousselle@gnb.ca
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:44:16 -0400
Subject: Jagmeet Singh says that maybe Jay Shin should go back to law
school??? Too Too Funny Indeed EH Karen Wang and Laura-Lynn Tyler
Thompson?
To: info@jayshin.ca, jay@lonsdalelaw.ca, karenwang@liberal.ca,
lauralynnlive@gmail.com
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
jmaclellan@burnabynow.com, kgawley@burnabynow.com
Jagmeet Singh on Tory opponent: 'Maybe he should go back to law school'
Conservative candidate Jay Shin said Singh was 'keeping criminals out
of jail' during his days as a criminal defence lawyer
Kelvin Gawley Burnaby Now January 13, 2019 10:27 AM
Julie MacLellan
Assistant editor, and newsroom tip line
jmaclellan@burnabynow.com
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Kelvin Gawley
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Phone: 604 444 3024
Jay Shin
Direct: 604-980-5089
Email: jay@lonsdalelaw.ca
By phone: 604-628-0508
By e-mail: info@jayshin.ca
Karen Wang
604.531.1178
karenwang@liberal.ca
Now if Mr Shin scrolls down he will know some of what the fancy NDP
lawyer has known for quite sometime
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:39:35 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Re Federal Court File # T-1557-15 and the
upcoming hearing on May 24th I called a lot of your people before High
Noon today Correct Ralph Goodale and Deputy Minister Malcolm Brown?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Automatic reply: Attn Minister Ralph Goodale and Pierre
Paul-Hus Trust that I look forward to arguing the fact that fhe Crown
filed my Sept 4th email to you and your buddies
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Subject: Automatic reply: ATTN Blair Armitage You acted as the Usher
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Hence you and the RCMP must know why I sued the Queen Correct?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:21:11 +0000
Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Mr. Amos,
We acknowledge receipt of your recent emails to the Deputy Minister of
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From: "Eidt, David (OAG/CPG)" <David.Eidt@gnb.ca>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 00:33:21 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Mr Lutz howcome your buddy the clerk
would not file this motion and properly witnessed affidavit and why
did she take all four copies?
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:16:46 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate
Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until August 15, 2016. Je serai absent du
bureau jusqu'au 15 août 2016.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> To: coi@gnb.ca
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Good Day Sir
>
> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>
> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>
> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
> suggested that you study closely.
>
> This is the docket in Federal Court
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>
> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>
> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>
> April 3rd, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
>
> The only hearing thus far
>
> May 24th, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>
> Date: 20151223
>
> Docket: T-1557-15
>
> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>
> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>
> BETWEEN:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> Plaintiff
>
> and
>
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
> Defendant
>
> ORDER
>
> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
> December 14, 2015)
>
> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
> in its entirety.
>
> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
> he stated:
>
> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
> You are your brother’s keeper.
>
> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police.
>
> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>
>
> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
> is no order as to costs.
>
> “B. Richard Bell”
> Judge
>
>
> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>
> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>
> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
> dudes are way past too late
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Thank you,
>
> Merci ,
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
> five years after he began his bragging:
>
> January 13, 2015
> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>
> December 8, 2014
> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>
> Friday, October 3, 2014
> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>
> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>
> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
> campaign of 2006.
>
> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>
> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>
> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>
> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>
> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
> January 30, 2007
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
> Ph: (506) 387-2222
> Fax: (506) 387-4622
> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
>
>
> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
> tel.: 506-457-7890
> fax: 506-444-5224
> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>
On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
> ilian.html
>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/
>>
>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>> cards?
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>> 6
>>
>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
>>
>> http://www.archive.org/
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>>
>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>> Senator Arlen Specter
>> United States Senate
>> Committee on the Judiciary
>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>> Washington, DC 20510
>>
>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>
>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>> raised in the attached letter.
>>
>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes.
>>
>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>
>> Very truly yours,
>> Barry A. Bachrach
>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>
>
http://davidraymondamos3.
Sunday, 19 November 2017
Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
The Supreme Court
https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Amos v. Canada
Court (s) Database
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Date
2017-10-30
Neutral citation
2017 FCA 213
File numbers
A-48-16
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
THE COURT
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
I. Introduction
[1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
(Claim at para. 96).
[2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
Prothontary’s Order).
[3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
[4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
cross-appeal.
II. Preliminary Matter
[5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
several judges but did not name those judges.
[6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
c. F-7:
5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
Appeal.
[…]
5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
[…]
5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
juges de la Cour fédérale.
[7] However, these subsections only provide that the
judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
section.
[8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
matière civile et pénale.
4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
compétence en matière civile et pénale.
[9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
(section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
appeal book.
[10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
conflict in any matter related to him.
[11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
[12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
such judge had a conflict.
[13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
was a member of such firm.
[14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
[15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
“John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
[16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
apprehension of bias:
60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
reasonable apprehension of bias:
… the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
[17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed
person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
(4th) 193).
[18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
his former firm for a considerable period of time.
32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
events from over a decade ago.
(emphasis added)
[19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
Webb hearing this appeal.
[20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
(2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
[21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
[22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
[23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
to recuse himself.
[24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
[25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
III. Issue
[26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
IV. Analysis
A. Standard of Review
[27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
[Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
(Hospira at paras. 82-83).
[28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
interfere.
B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the
Prothonotary’s Order?
[29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
(…)
21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
[footnotes omitted].
[30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
para. 27).
[31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
[13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
(Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
[32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
“political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
[33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
…When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
“The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
of process…
To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
(at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
[34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the
Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
[35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
supporting a cause of action.
[36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
V. Conclusion
[37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
without leave to amend.
"Wyman W. Webb"
J.A.
"David G. Near"
J.A.
"Mary J.L. Gleason"
J.A.
FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
DOCKET:
A-48-16
STYLE OF CAUSE:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
PLACE OF HEARING:
Fredericton,
New Brunswick
DATE OF HEARING:
May 24, 2017
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
DATED:
October 30, 2017
APPEARANCES:
David Raymond Amos
For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
(on his own behalf)
Jan Jensen
For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
Nathalie G. Drouin
Deputy Attorney General of Canada
For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
From: "LSD / DSJ (JUS/JUS)" <BPIB-DGPAA@justice.gc.ca>
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:25:31 +0000
Subject: RE: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason
with David Lametti's minions and got nowhere fast Surprise Surprise
Surprise N'esy Pas Petev Baby Mackay?
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:25:26 -0400
Subject: Fwd: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:00:58 -0400
Subject: YO Pierre Poilievre I just called and tried to reason with
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Surprise N'esy Pas Petev Baby Mackay?
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Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:58:23 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: C'yall in Court
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From: Ministerial Correspondence Unit - Justice Canada <mcu@justice.gc.ca>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:18:45 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law
school too N'esy Pas Pierre Poilievre?
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 18:18:40 -0400
Subject: Methinks David Lametti should go back to law school too N'esy
Pas Pierre Poilievre?
To: David.Lametti@parl.gc.ca, Jody.Wilson-Raybould@parl.gc.
pierre.poilievre@parl.gc.ca,mc
michael.chong@parl.gc.ca, Michael.Wernick@pco-bcp.gc.ca
Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com, Newsroom@globeandmail.com,
Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca, serge.rousselle@gnb.ca
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From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 15:44:16 -0400
Subject: Jagmeet Singh says that maybe Jay Shin should go back to law
school??? Too Too Funny Indeed EH Karen Wang and Laura-Lynn Tyler
Thompson?
To: info@jayshin.ca, jay@lonsdalelaw.ca, karenwang@liberal.ca,
lauralynnlive@gmail.com
Cc: David Amos <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
jmaclellan@burnabynow.com, kgawley@burnabynow.com
Jagmeet Singh on Tory opponent: 'Maybe he should go back to law school'
Conservative candidate Jay Shin said Singh was 'keeping criminals out
of jail' during his days as a criminal defence lawyer
Kelvin Gawley Burnaby Now January 13, 2019 10:27 AM
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Now if Mr Shin scrolls down he will know some of what the fancy NDP
lawyer has known for quite sometime
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 16:39:35 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Re Federal Court File # T-1557-15 and the
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Subject: Emails to Department of Justice and Province of Nova Scotia
To: "motomaniac333@gmail.com" <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 00:33:21 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: Yo Mr Lutz howcome your buddy the clerk
would not file this motion and properly witnessed affidavit and why
did she take all four copies?
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From: Marc Richard <MRichard@lawsociety-barreau.
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 13:16:46 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE: The New Brunswick Real Estate
Association and their deliberate ignorance for the bankster's benefit
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
I will be out of the office until August 15, 2016. Je serai absent du
bureau jusqu'au 15 août 2016.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos motomaniac333@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:32:09 -0400
> Subject: Attn Integrity Commissioner Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> To: coi@gnb.ca
> Cc: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Good Day Sir
>
> After I heard you speak on CBC I called your office again and managed
> to speak to one of your staff for the first time
>
> Please find attached the documents I promised to send to the lady who
> answered the phone this morning. Please notice that not after the Sgt
> at Arms took the documents destined to your office his pal Tanker
> Malley barred me in writing with an "English" only document.
>
> These are the hearings and the dockets in Federal Court that I
> suggested that you study closely.
>
> This is the docket in Federal Court
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
> These are digital recordings of the last three hearings
>
> Dec 14th https://archive.org/details/
>
> January 11th, 2016 https://archive.org/details/
>
> April 3rd, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This is the docket in the Federal Court of Appeal
>
> http://cas-cdc-www02.cas-satj.
>
>
> The only hearing thus far
>
> May 24th, 2017
>
> https://archive.org/details/
>
>
> This Judge understnds the meaning of the word Integrity
>
> Date: 20151223
>
> Docket: T-1557-15
>
> Fredericton, New Brunswick, December 23, 2015
>
> PRESENT: The Honourable Mr. Justice Bell
>
> BETWEEN:
>
> DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> Plaintiff
>
> and
>
> HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
>
> Defendant
>
> ORDER
>
> (Delivered orally from the Bench in Fredericton, New Brunswick, on
> December 14, 2015)
>
> The Plaintiff seeks an appeal de novo, by way of motion pursuant to
> the Federal Courts Rules (SOR/98-106), from an Order made on November
> 12, 2015, in which Prothonotary Morneau struck the Statement of Claim
> in its entirety.
>
> At the outset of the hearing, the Plaintiff brought to my attention a
> letter dated September 10, 2004, which he sent to me, in my then
> capacity as Past President of the New Brunswick Branch of the Canadian
> Bar Association, and the then President of the Branch, Kathleen Quigg,
> (now a Justice of the New Brunswick Court of Appeal). In that letter
> he stated:
>
> As for your past President, Mr. Bell, may I suggest that you check the
> work of Frank McKenna before I sue your entire law firm including you.
> You are your brother’s keeper.
>
> Frank McKenna is the former Premier of New Brunswick and a former
> colleague of mine at the law firm of McInnes Cooper. In addition to
> expressing an intention to sue me, the Plaintiff refers to a number of
> people in his Motion Record who he appears to contend may be witnesses
> or potential parties to be added. Those individuals who are known to
> me personally, include, but are not limited to the former Prime
> Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Stephen Harper; former
> Attorney General of Canada and now a Justice of the Manitoba Court of
> Queen’s Bench, Vic Toews; former member of Parliament Rob Moore;
> former Director of Policing Services, the late Grant Garneau; former
> Chief of the Fredericton Police Force, Barry McKnight; former Staff
> Sergeant Danny Copp; my former colleagues on the New Brunswick Court
> of Appeal, Justices Bradley V. Green and Kathleen Quigg, and, retired
> Assistant Commissioner Wayne Lang of the Royal Canadian Mounted
> Police.
>
> In the circumstances, given the threat in 2004 to sue me in my
> personal capacity and my past and present relationship with many
> potential witnesses and/or potential parties to the litigation, I am
> of the view there would be a reasonable apprehension of bias should I
> hear this motion. See Justice de Grandpré’s dissenting judgment in
> Committee for Justice and Liberty et al v National Energy Board et al,
> [1978] 1 SCR 369 at p 394 for the applicable test regarding
> allegations of bias. In the circumstances, although neither party has
> requested I recuse myself, I consider it appropriate that I do so.
>
>
> AS A RESULT OF MY RECUSAL, THIS COURT ORDERS that the Administrator of
> the Court schedule another date for the hearing of the motion. There
> is no order as to costs.
>
> “B. Richard Bell”
> Judge
>
>
> Below after the CBC article about your concerns (I made one comment
> already) you will find the text of just two of many emails I had sent
> to your office over the years since I first visited it in 2006.
>
> I noticed that on July 30, 2009, he was appointed to the the Court
> Martial Appeal Court of Canada Perhaps you should scroll to the
> bottom of this email ASAP and read the entire Paragraph 83 of my
> lawsuit now before the Federal Court of Canada?
>
> "FYI This is the text of the lawsuit that should interest Trudeau the most
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: justin.trudeau.a1@parl.gc.ca
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM
> Subject: Réponse automatique : RE My complaint against the CROWN in
> Federal Court Attn David Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to
> submit a motion for a publication ban on my complaint trust that you
> dudes are way past too late
> To: david.raymond.amos@gmail.com
>
> Veuillez noter que j'ai changé de courriel. Vous pouvez me rejoindre à
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> Pour rejoindre le bureau de M. Trudeau veuillez envoyer un courriel à
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Please note that I changed email address, you can reach me at
> lalanthier@hotmail.com
>
> To reach the office of Mr. Trudeau please send an email to
> tommy.desfosses@parl.gc.ca
>
> Thank you,
>
> Merci ,
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.
>
>
> 83. The Plaintiff states that now that Canada is involved in more war
> in Iraq again it did not serve Canadian interests and reputation to
> allow Barry Winters to publish the following words three times over
> five years after he began his bragging:
>
> January 13, 2015
> This Is Just AS Relevant Now As When I wrote It During The Debate
>
> December 8, 2014
> Why Canada Stood Tall!
>
> Friday, October 3, 2014
> Little David Amos’ “True History Of War” Canadian Airstrikes And
> Stupid Justin Trudeau
>
> Canada’s and Canadians free ride is over. Canada can no longer hide
> behind Amerka’s and NATO’s skirts.
>
> When I was still in Canadian Forces then Prime Minister Jean Chretien
> actually committed the Canadian Army to deploy in the second campaign
> in Iraq, the Coalition of the Willing. This was against or contrary to
> the wisdom or advice of those of us Canadian officers that were
> involved in the initial planning phases of that operation. There were
> significant concern in our planning cell, and NDHQ about of the dearth
> of concern for operational guidance, direction, and forces for
> operations after the initial occupation of Iraq. At the “last minute”
> Prime Minister Chretien and the Liberal government changed its mind.
> The Canadian government told our amerkan cousins that we would not
> deploy combat troops for the Iraq campaign, but would deploy a
> Canadian Battle Group to Afghanistan, enabling our amerkan cousins to
> redeploy troops from there to Iraq. The PMO’s thinking that it was
> less costly to deploy Canadian Forces to Afghanistan than Iraq. But
> alas no one seems to remind the Liberals of Prime Minister Chretien’s
> then grossly incorrect assumption. Notwithstanding Jean Chretien’s
> incompetence and stupidity, the Canadian Army was heroic,
> professional, punched well above it’s weight, and the PPCLI Battle
> Group, is credited with “saving Afghanistan” during the Panjway
> campaign of 2006.
>
> What Justin Trudeau and the Liberals don’t tell you now, is that then
> Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chretien committed, and deployed the
> Canadian army to Canada’s longest “war” without the advice, consent,
> support, or vote of the Canadian Parliament.
>
> What David Amos and the rest of the ignorant, uneducated, and babbling
> chattering classes are too addled to understand is the deployment of
> less than 75 special operations troops, and what is known by planners
> as a “six pac cell” of fighter aircraft is NOT the same as a
> deployment of a Battle Group, nor a “war” make.
>
> The Canadian Government or The Crown unlike our amerkan cousins have
> the “constitutional authority” to commit the Canadian nation to war.
> That has been recently clearly articulated to the Canadian public by
> constitutional scholar Phillippe Legasse. What Parliament can do is
> remove “confidence” in The Crown’s Government in a “vote of
> non-confidence.” That could not happen to the Chretien Government
> regarding deployment to Afghanistan, and it won’t happen in this
> instance with the conservative majority in The Commons regarding a
> limited Canadian deployment to the Middle East.
>
> President George Bush was quite correct after 911 and the terror
> attacks in New York; that the Taliban “occupied” and “failed state”
> Afghanistan was the source of logistical support, command and control,
> and training for the Al Quaeda war of terror against the world. The
> initial defeat, and removal from control of Afghanistan was vital and
>
> P.S. Whereas this CBC article is about your opinion of the actions of
> the latest Minister Of Health trust that Mr Boudreau and the CBC have
> had my files for many years and the last thing they are is ethical.
> Ask his friends Mr Murphy and the RCMP if you don't believe me.
>
> Subject:
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 12:02:35 -0400
> From: "Murphy, Michael B. \(DH/MS\)" MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca
> To: motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
>
> January 30, 2007
>
> WITHOUT PREJUDICE
>
> Mr. David Amos
>
> Dear Mr. Amos:
>
> This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,
> 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.
>
> Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have
> taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve
> Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Honourable Michael B. Murphy
> Minister of Health
>
> CM/cb
>
>
> Warren McBeath warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca wrote:
>
> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 17:34:53 -0500
> From: "Warren McBeath" warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> To: kilgoursite@ca.inter.net, MichaelB.Murphy@gnb.ca,
> nada.sarkis@gnb.ca, wally.stiles@gnb.ca, dwatch@web.net,
> motomaniac_02186@yahoo.com
> CC: ottawa@chuckstrahl.com, riding@chuckstrahl.com,John.
> Oda.B@parl.gc.ca,"Bev BUSSON" bev.busson@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> "Paul Dube" PAUL.DUBE@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
> Subject: Re: Remember me Kilgour? Landslide Annie McLellan has
> forgotten me but the crooks within the RCMP have not
>
> Dear Mr. Amos,
>
> Thank you for your follow up e-mail to me today. I was on days off
> over the holidays and returned to work this evening. Rest assured I
> was not ignoring or procrastinating to respond to your concerns.
>
> As your attachment sent today refers from Premier Graham, our position
> is clear on your dead calf issue: Our forensic labs do not process
> testing on animals in cases such as yours, they are referred to the
> Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown who can provide these
> services. If you do not choose to utilize their expertise in this
> instance, then that is your decision and nothing more can be done.
>
> As for your other concerns regarding the US Government, false
> imprisonment and Federal Court Dates in the US, etc... it is clear
> that Federal authorities are aware of your concerns both in Canada
> the US. These issues do not fall into the purvue of Detachment
> and policing in Petitcodiac, NB.
>
> It was indeed an interesting and informative conversation we had on
> December 23rd, and I wish you well in all of your future endeavors.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Warren McBeath, Cpl.
> GRC Caledonia RCMP
> Traffic Services NCO
> Ph: (506) 387-2222
> Fax: (506) 387-4622
> E-mail warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca
>
>
>
> Alexandre Deschênes, Q.C.,
> Office of the Integrity Commissioner
> Edgecombe House, 736 King Street
> Fredericton, N.B. CANADA E3B 5H1
> tel.: 506-457-7890
> fax: 506-444-5224
> e-mail:coi@gnb.ca
>
On 8/3/17, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> If want something very serious to download and laugh at as well Please
> Enjoy and share real wiretap tapes of the mob
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.
> ilian.html
>
>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/
>>
>> As the CBC etc yap about Yankee wiretaps and whistleblowers I must
>> ask them the obvious question AIN'T THEY FORGETTING SOMETHING????
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?
>>
>> What the hell does the media think my Yankee lawyer served upon the
>> USDOJ right after I ran for and seat in the 39th Parliament baseball
>> cards?
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>> 6
>>
>> http://davidamos.blogspot.ca/
>>
>> http://www.archive.org/
>>
>> http://archive.org/details/
>>
>> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
>> Senator Arlen Specter
>> United States Senate
>> Committee on the Judiciary
>> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
>> Washington, DC 20510
>>
>> Dear Mr. Specter:
>>
>> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
>> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
>> raised in the attached letter.
>>
>> Mr. Amos has represented to me that these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes.
>>
>> I believe Mr. Amos has been in contact with you about this previously.
>>
>> Very truly yours,
>> Barry A. Bachrach
>> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
>> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
>> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>>
>
http://davidraymondamos3.
Sunday, 19 November 2017
Federal Court of Appeal Finally Makes The BIG Decision And Publishes
It Now The Crooks Cannot Take Back Ticket To Try Put My Matter Before
The Supreme Court
https://decisions.fct-cf.gc.
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Amos v. Canada
Court (s) Database
Federal Court of Appeal Decisions
Date
2017-10-30
Neutral citation
2017 FCA 213
File numbers
A-48-16
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
Heard at Fredericton, New Brunswick, on May 24, 2017.
Judgment delivered at Ottawa, Ontario, on October 30, 2017.
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY:
THE COURT
Date: 20171030
Docket: A-48-16
Citation: 2017 FCA 213
CORAM:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
BETWEEN:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
Respondent on the cross-appeal
(and formally Appellant)
and
HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Appellant on the cross-appeal
(and formerly Respondent)
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT BY THE COURT
I. Introduction
[1] On September 16, 2015, David Raymond Amos (Mr. Amos)
filed a 53-page Statement of Claim (the Claim) in Federal Court
against Her Majesty the Queen (the Crown). Mr. Amos claims $11 million
in damages and a public apology from the Prime Minister and Provincial
Premiers for being illegally barred from accessing parliamentary
properties and seeks a declaration from the Minister of Public Safety
that the Canadian Government will no longer allow the Royal Canadian
Mounted Police (RCMP) and Canadian Forces to harass him and his clan
(Claim at para. 96).
[2] On November 12, 2015 (Docket T-1557-15), by way of a
motion brought by the Crown, a prothonotary of the Federal Court (the
Prothonotary) struck the Claim in its entirety, without leave to
amend, on the basis that it was plain and obvious that the Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim, the Claim was fundamentally vexatious,
and the Claim could not be salvaged by way of further amendment (the
Prothontary’s Order).
[3] On January 25, 2016 (2016 FC 93), by way of Mr.
Amos’ appeal from the Prothonotary’s Order, a judge of the Federal
Court (the Judge), reviewing the matter de novo, struck all of Mr.
Amos’ claims for relief with the exception of the claim for damages
for being barred by the RCMP from the New Brunswick legislature in
2004 (the Federal Court Judgment).
[4] Mr. Amos appealed and the Crown cross-appealed the
Federal Court Judgment. Further to the issuance of a Notice of Status
Review, Mr. Amos’ appeal was dismissed for delay on December 19, 2016.
As such, the only matter before this Court is the Crown’s
cross-appeal.
II. Preliminary Matter
[5] Mr. Amos, in his memorandum of fact and law in
relation to the cross-appeal that was filed with this Court on March
6, 2017, indicated that several judges of this Court, including two of
the judges of this panel, had a conflict of interest in this appeal.
This was the first time that he identified the judges whom he believed
had a conflict of interest in a document that was filed with this
Court. In his notice of appeal he had alluded to a conflict with
several judges but did not name those judges.
[6] Mr. Amos was of the view that he did not have to
identify the judges in any document filed with this Court because he
had identified the judges in various documents that had been filed
with the Federal Court. In his view the Federal Court and the Federal
Court of Appeal are the same court and therefore any document filed in
the Federal Court would be filed in this Court. This view is based on
subsections 5(4) and 5.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act, R.S.C., 1985,
c. F-7:
5(4) Every judge of the Federal Court is, by virtue of his or her
office, a judge of the Federal Court of Appeal and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court of
Appeal.
[…]
5(4) Les juges de la Cour fédérale sont d’office juges de la Cour
d’appel fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que
les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale.
[…]
5.1(4) Every judge of the Federal Court of Appeal is, by virtue of
that office, a judge of the Federal Court and has all the
jurisdiction, power and authority of a judge of the Federal Court.
5.1(4) Les juges de la Cour d’appel fédérale sont d’office juges de la
Cour fédérale et ont la même compétence et les mêmes pouvoirs que les
juges de la Cour fédérale.
[7] However, these subsections only provide that the
judges of the Federal Court are also judges of this Court (and vice
versa). It does not mean that there is only one court. If the Federal
Court and this Court were one Court, there would be no need for this
section.
[8] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act provide that:
3 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Appeal Division is continued under the name “Federal Court of
Appeal” in English and “Cour d’appel fédérale” in French. It is
continued as an additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and
for Canada, for the better administration of the laws of Canada and as
a superior court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
3 La Section d’appel, aussi appelée la Cour d’appel ou la Cour d’appel
fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée « Cour d’appel fédérale » en
français et « Federal Court of Appeal » en anglais. Elle est maintenue
à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et d’amirauté du
Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit canadien, et
continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant compétence en
matière civile et pénale.
4 The division of the Federal Court of Canada called the Federal Court
— Trial Division is continued under the name “Federal Court” in
English and “Cour fédérale” in French. It is continued as an
additional court of law, equity and admiralty in and for Canada, for
the better administration of the laws of Canada and as a superior
court of record having civil and criminal jurisdiction.
4 La section de la Cour fédérale du Canada, appelée la Section de
première instance de la Cour fédérale, est maintenue et dénommée «
Cour fédérale » en français et « Federal Court » en anglais. Elle est
maintenue à titre de tribunal additionnel de droit, d’equity et
d’amirauté du Canada, propre à améliorer l’application du droit
canadien, et continue d’être une cour supérieure d’archives ayant
compétence en matière civile et pénale.
[9] Sections 3 and 4 of the Federal Courts Act create
two separate courts – this Court (section 3) and the Federal Court
(section 4). If, as Mr. Amos suggests, documents filed in the Federal
Court were automatically also filed in this Court, then there would no
need for the parties to prepare and file appeal books as required by
Rules 343 to 345 of the Federal Courts Rules, SOR/98-106 in relation
to any appeal from a decision of the Federal Court. The requirement to
file an appeal book with this Court in relation to an appeal from a
decision of the Federal Court makes it clear that the only documents
that will be before this Court are the documents that are part of that
appeal book.
[10] Therefore, the memorandum of fact and law filed on
March 6, 2017 is the first document, filed with this Court, in which
Mr. Amos identified the particular judges that he submits have a
conflict in any matter related to him.
[11] On April 3, 2017, Mr. Amos attempted to bring a motion
before the Federal Court seeking an order “affirming or denying the
conflict of interest he has” with a number of judges of the Federal
Court. A judge of the Federal Court issued a direction noting that if
Mr. Amos was seeking this order in relation to judges of the Federal
Court of Appeal, it was beyond the jurisdiction of the Federal Court.
Mr. Amos raised the Federal Court motion at the hearing of this
cross-appeal. The Federal Court motion is not a motion before this
Court and, as such, the submissions filed before the Federal Court
will not be entertained. As well, since this was a motion brought
before the Federal Court (and not this Court), any documents filed in
relation to that motion are not part of the record of this Court.
[12] During the hearing of the appeal Mr. Amos alleged that
the third member of this panel also had a conflict of interest and
submitted some documents that, in his view, supported his claim of a
conflict. Mr. Amos, following the hearing of his appeal, was also
afforded the opportunity to provide a brief summary of the conflict
that he was alleging and to file additional documents that, in his
view, supported his allegations. Mr. Amos submitted several pages of
documents in relation to the alleged conflicts. He organized the
documents by submitting a copy of the biography of the particular
judge and then, immediately following that biography, by including
copies of the documents that, in his view, supported his claim that
such judge had a conflict.
[13] The nature of the alleged conflict of Justice Webb is
that before he was appointed as a Judge of the Tax Court of Canada in
2006, he was a partner with the law firm Patterson Law, and before
that with Patterson Palmer in Nova Scotia. Mr. Amos submitted that he
had a number of disputes with Patterson Palmer and Patterson Law and
therefore Justice Webb has a conflict simply because he was a partner
of these firms. Mr. Amos is not alleging that Justice Webb was
personally involved in or had any knowledge of any matter in which Mr.
Amos was involved with Justice Webb’s former law firm – only that he
was a member of such firm.
[14] During his oral submissions at the hearing of his
appeal Mr. Amos, in relation to the alleged conflict for Justice Webb,
focused on dealings between himself and a particular lawyer at
Patterson Law. However, none of the documents submitted by Mr. Amos at
the hearing or subsequently related to any dealings with this
particular lawyer nor is it clear when Mr. Amos was dealing with this
lawyer. In particular, it is far from clear whether such dealings were
after the time that Justice Webb was appointed as a Judge of the Tax
Court of Canada over 10 years ago.
[15] The documents that he submitted in relation to the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb largely relate to dealings between
Byron Prior and the St. John’s Newfoundland and Labrador office of
Patterson Palmer, which is not in the same province where Justice Webb
practiced law. The only document that indicates any dealing between
Mr. Amos and Patterson Palmer is a copy of an affidavit of Stephen May
who was a partner in the St. John’s NL office of Patterson Palmer. The
affidavit is dated January 24, 2005 and refers to a number of e-mails
that were sent by Mr. Amos to Stephen May. Mr. Amos also included a
letter that is addressed to four individuals, one of whom is John
Crosbie who was counsel to the St. John’s NL office of Patterson
Palmer. The letter is dated September 2, 2004 and is addressed to
“John Crosbie, c/o Greg G. Byrne, Suite 502, 570 Queen Street,
Fredericton, NB E3B 5E3”. In this letter Mr. Amos alludes to a
possible lawsuit against Patterson Palmer.
[16] Mr. Amos’ position is that simply because Justice Webb
was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer, he now has a conflict. In Wewaykum
Indian Band v. Her Majesty the Queen, 2003 SCC 45, [2003] 2 S.C.R.
259, the Supreme Court of Canada noted that disqualification of a
judge is to be determined based on whether there is a reasonable
apprehension of bias:
60 In Canadian law, one standard has now emerged as the
criterion for disqualification. The criterion, as expressed by de
Grandpré J. in Committee for Justice and Liberty v. National Energy
Board, …[[1978] 1 S.C.R. 369, 68 D.L.R. (3d) 716], at p. 394, is the
reasonable apprehension of bias:
… the apprehension of bias must be a reasonable one, held by
reasonable and right minded persons, applying themselves to the
question and obtaining thereon the required information. In the words
of the Court of Appeal, that test is "what would an informed person,
viewing the matter realistically and practically -- and having thought
the matter through -- conclude. Would he think that it is more likely
than not that [the decision-maker], whether consciously or
unconsciously, would not decide fairly."
[17] The issue to be determined is whether an informed
person, viewing the matter realistically and practically, and having
thought the matter through, would conclude that Mr. Amos’ allegations
give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias. As this Court has
previously remarked, “there is a strong presumption that judges will
administer justice impartially” and this presumption will not be
rebutted in the absence of “convincing evidence” of bias (Collins v.
Canada, 2011 FCA 140 at para. 7, [2011] 4 C.T.C. 157 [Collins]. See
also R. v. S. (R.D.), [1997] 3 S.C.R. 484 at para. 32, 151 D.L.R.
(4th) 193).
[18] The Ontario Court of Appeal in Rando Drugs Ltd. v.
Scott, 2007 ONCA 553, 86 O.R. (3d) 653 (leave to appeal to the Supreme
Court of Canada refused, 32285 (August 1, 2007)), addressed the
particular issue of whether a judge is disqualified from hearing a
case simply because he had been a member of a law firm that was
involved in the litigation that was now before that judge. The Ontario
Court of Appeal determined that the judge was not disqualified if the
judge had no involvement with the person or the matter when he was a
lawyer. The Ontario Court of Appeal also explained that the rules for
determining whether a judge is disqualified are different from the
rules to determine whether a lawyer has a conflict:
27 Thus, disqualification is not the natural corollary to a
finding that a trial judge has had some involvement in a case over
which he or she is now presiding. Where the judge had no involvement,
as here, it cannot be said that the judge is disqualified.
28 The point can rightly be made that had Mr. Patterson been
asked to represent the appellant as counsel before his appointment to
the bench, the conflict rules would likely have prevented him from
taking the case because his firm had formerly represented one of the
defendants in the case. Thus, it is argued how is it that as a trial
judge Patterson J. can hear the case? This issue was considered by the
Court of Appeal (Civil Division) in Locabail (U.K.) Ltd. v. Bayfield
Properties Ltd., [2000] Q.B. 451. The court held, at para. 58, that
there is no inflexible rule governing the disqualification of a judge
and that, "[e]verything depends on the circumstances."
29 It seems to me that what appears at first sight to be an
inconsistency in application of rules can be explained by the
different contexts and in particular, the strong presumption of
judicial impartiality that applies in the context of disqualification
of a judge. There is no such presumption in cases of allegations of
conflict of interest against a lawyer because of a firm's previous
involvement in the case. To the contrary, as explained by Sopinka J.
in MacDonald Estate v. Martin (1990), 77 D.L.R. (4th) 249 (S.C.C.),
for sound policy reasons there is a presumption of a disqualifying
interest that can rarely be overcome. In particular, a conclusory
statement from the lawyer that he or she had no confidential
information about the case will never be sufficient. The case is the
opposite where the allegation of bias is made against a trial judge.
His or her statement that he or she knew nothing about the case and
had no involvement in it will ordinarily be accepted at face value
unless there is good reason to doubt it: see Locabail, at para. 19.
30 That brings me then to consider the particular circumstances
of this case and whether there are serious grounds to find a
disqualifying conflict of interest in this case. In my view, there are
two significant factors that justify the trial judge's decision not to
recuse himself. The first is his statement, which all parties accept,
that he knew nothing of the case when it was in his former firm and
that he had nothing to do with it. The second is the long passage of
time. As was said in Wewaykum, at para. 85:
To us, one significant factor stands out, and must inform
the perspective of the reasonable person assessing the impact of this
involvement on Binnie J.'s impartiality in the appeals. That factor is
the passage of time. Most arguments for disqualification rest on
circumstances that are either contemporaneous to the decision-making,
or that occurred within a short time prior to the decision-making.
31 There are other factors that inform the issue. The Wilson
Walker firm no longer acted for any of the parties by the time of
trial. More importantly, at the time of the motion, Patterson J. had
been a judge for six years and thus had not had a relationship with
his former firm for a considerable period of time.
32 In my view, a reasonable person, viewing the matter
realistically would conclude that the trial judge could deal fairly
and impartially with this case. I take this view principally because
of the long passage of time and the trial judge's lack of involvement
in or knowledge of the case when the Wilson Walker firm had carriage.
In these circumstances it cannot be reasonably contended that the
trial judge could not remain impartial in the case. The mere fact that
his name appears on the letterhead of some correspondence from over a
decade ago would not lead a reasonable person to believe that he would
either consciously or unconsciously favour his former firm's former
client. It is simply not realistic to think that a judge would throw
off his mantle of impartiality, ignore his oath of office and favour a
client - about whom he knew nothing - of a firm that he left six years
earlier and that no longer acts for the client, in a case involving
events from over a decade ago.
(emphasis added)
[19] Justice Webb had no involvement with any matter
involving Mr. Amos while he was a member of Patterson Palmer or
Patterson Law, nor does Mr. Amos suggest that he did. Mr. Amos made it
clear during the hearing of this matter that the only reason for the
alleged conflict for Justice Webb was that he was a member of
Patterson Law and Patterson Palmer. This is simply not enough for
Justice Webb to be disqualified. Any involvement of Mr. Amos with
Patterson Law while Justice Webb was a member of that firm would have
had to occur over 10 years ago and even longer for the time when he
was a member of Patterson Palmer. In addition to the lack of any
involvement on his part with any matter or dispute that Mr. Amos had
with Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer (which in and of itself is
sufficient to dispose of this matter), the length of time since
Justice Webb was a member of Patterson Law or Patterson Palmer would
also result in the same finding – that there is no conflict in Justice
Webb hearing this appeal.
[20] Similarly in R. v. Bagot, 2000 MBCA 30, 145 Man. R.
(2d) 260, the Manitoba Court of Appeal found that there was no
reasonable apprehension of bias when a judge, who had been a member of
the law firm that had been retained by the accused, had no involvement
with the accused while he was a lawyer with that firm.
[21] In Del Zotto v. Minister of National Revenue, [2000] 4
F.C. 321, 257 N.R. 96, this court did find that there would be a
reasonable apprehension of bias where a judge, who while he was a
lawyer, had recorded time on a matter involving the same person who
was before that judge. However, this case can be distinguished as
Justice Webb did not have any time recorded on any files involving Mr.
Amos while he was a lawyer with Patterson Palmer or Patterson Law.
[22] Mr. Amos also included with his submissions a CD. He
stated in his affidavit dated June 26, 2017 that there is a “true copy
of an American police surveillance wiretap entitled 139” on this CD.
He has also indicated that he has “provided a true copy of the CD
entitled 139 to many American and Canadian law enforcement authorities
and not one of the police forces or officers of the court are willing
to investigate it”. Since he has indicated that this is an “American
police surveillance wiretap”, this is a matter for the American law
enforcement authorities and cannot create, as Mr. Amos suggests, a
conflict of interest for any judge to whom he provides a copy.
[23] As a result, there is no conflict or reasonable
apprehension of bias for Justice Webb and therefore, no reason for him
to recuse himself.
[24] Mr. Amos alleged that Justice Near’s past professional
experience with the government created a “quasi-conflict” in deciding
the cross-appeal. Mr. Amos provided no details and Justice Near
confirmed that he had no prior knowledge of the matters alleged in the
Claim. Justice Near sees no reason to recuse himself.
[25] Insofar as it is possible to glean the basis for Mr.
Amos’ allegations against Justice Gleason, it appears that he alleges
that she is incapable of hearing this appeal because he says he wrote
a letter to Brian Mulroney and Jean Chrétien in 2004. At that time,
both Justice Gleason and Mr. Mulroney were partners in the law firm
Ogilvy Renault, LLP. The letter in question, which is rude and angry,
begins with “Hey you two Evil Old Smiling Bastards” and “Re: me suing
you and your little dogs too”. There is no indication that the letter
was ever responded to or that a law suit was ever commenced by Mr.
Amos against Mr. Mulroney. In the circumstances, there is no reason
for Justice Gleason to recuse herself as the letter in question does
not give rise to a reasonable apprehension of bias.
III. Issue
[26] The issue on the cross-appeal is as follows: Did the
Judge err in setting aside the Prothonotary’s Order striking the Claim
in its entirety without leave to amend and in determining that Mr.
Amos’ allegation that the RCMP barred him from the New Brunswick
legislature in 2004 was capable of supporting a cause of action?
IV. Analysis
A. Standard of Review
[27] Following the Judge’s decision to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order, this Court revisited the standard of review to
be applied to discretionary decisions of prothonotaries and decisions
made by judges on appeals of prothonotaries’ decisions in Hospira
Healthcare Corp. v. Kennedy Institute of Rheumatology, 2016 FCA 215,
402 D.L.R. (4th) 497 [Hospira]. In Hospira, a five-member panel of
this Court replaced the Aqua-Gem standard of review with that
articulated in Housen v. Nikolaisen, 2002 SCC 33, [2002] 2 S.C.R. 235
[Housen]. As a result, it is no longer appropriate for the Federal
Court to conduct a de novo review of a discretionary order made by a
prothonotary in regard to questions vital to the final issue of the
case. Rather, a Federal Court judge can only intervene on appeal if
the prothonotary made an error of law or a palpable and overriding
error in determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and
law (Hospira at para. 79). Further, this Court can only interfere with
a Federal Court judge’s review of a prothonotary’s discretionary order
if the judge made an error of law or palpable and overriding error in
determining a question of fact or question of mixed fact and law
(Hospira at paras. 82-83).
[28] In the case at bar, the Judge substituted his own
assessment of Mr. Amos’ Claim for that of the Prothonotary. This Court
must look to the Prothonotary’s Order to determine whether the Judge
erred in law or made a palpable and overriding error in choosing to
interfere.
B. Did the Judge err in interfering with the
Prothonotary’s Order?
[29] The Prothontoary’s Order accepted the following
paragraphs from the Crown’s submissions as the basis for striking the
Claim in its entirety without leave to amend:
17. Within the 96 paragraph Statement of Claim, the Plaintiff
addresses his complaint in paragraphs 14-24, inclusive. All but four
of those paragraphs are dedicated to an incident that occurred in 2006
in and around the legislature in New Brunswick. The jurisdiction of
the Federal Court does not extend to Her Majesty the Queen in right of
the Provinces. In any event, the Plaintiff hasn’t named the Province
or provincial actors as parties to this action. The incident alleged
does not give rise to a justiciable cause of action in this Court.
(…)
21. The few paragraphs that directly address the Defendant
provide no details as to the individuals involved or the location of
the alleged incidents or other details sufficient to allow the
Defendant to respond. As a result, it is difficult or impossible to
determine the causes of action the Plaintiff is attempting to advance.
A generous reading of the Statement of Claim allows the Defendant to
only speculate as to the true and/or intended cause of action. At
best, the Plaintiff’s action may possibly be summarized as: he
suspects he is barred from the House of Commons.
[footnotes omitted].
[30] The Judge determined that he could not strike the Claim
on the same jurisdictional basis as the Prothonotary. The Judge noted
that the Federal Court has jurisdiction over claims based on the
liability of Federal Crown servants like the RCMP and that the actors
who barred Mr. Amos from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004
included the RCMP (Federal Court Judgment at para. 23). In considering
the viability of these allegations de novo, the Judge identified
paragraph 14 of the Claim as containing “some precision” as it
identifies the date of the event and a RCMP officer acting as
Aide-de-Camp to the Lieutenant Governor (Federal Court Judgment at
para. 27).
[31] The Judge noted that the 2004 event could support a
cause of action in the tort of misfeasance in public office and
identified the elements of the tort as excerpted from Meigs v. Canada,
2013 FC 389, 431 F.T.R. 111:
[13] As in both the cases of Odhavji Estate v Woodhouse, 2003 SCC
69 [Odhavji] and Lewis v Canada, 2012 FC 1514 [Lewis], I must
determine whether the plaintiffs’ statement of claim pleads each
element of the alleged tort of misfeasance in public office:
a) The public officer must have engaged in deliberate and unlawful
conduct in his or her capacity as public officer;
b) The public officer must have been aware both that his or her
conduct was unlawful and that it was likely to harm the plaintiff; and
c) There must be an element of bad faith or dishonesty by the public
officer and knowledge of harm alone is insufficient to conclude that a
public officer acted in bad faith or dishonestly.
Odhavji, above, at paras 23, 24 and 28
(Federal Court Judgment at para. 28).
[32] The Judge determined that Mr. Amos disclosed sufficient
material facts to meet the elements of the tort of misfeasance in
public office because the actors, who barred him from the New
Brunswick legislature in 2004, including the RCMP, did so for
“political reasons” (Federal Court Judgment at para. 29).
[33] This Court’s discussion of the sufficiency of pleadings
in Merchant Law Group v. Canada (Revenue Agency), 2010 FCA 184, 321
D.L.R (4th) 301 is particularly apt:
…When pleading bad faith or abuse of power, it is not enough to
assert, baldly, conclusory phrases such as “deliberately or
negligently,” “callous disregard,” or “by fraud and theft did steal”.
“The bare assertion of a conclusion upon which the court is called
upon to pronounce is not an allegation of material fact”. Making bald,
conclusory allegations without any evidentiary foundation is an abuse
of process…
To this, I would add that the tort of misfeasance in public office
requires a particular state of mind of a public officer in carrying
out the impunged action, i.e., deliberate conduct which the public
officer knows to be inconsistent with the obligations of his or her
office. For this tort, particularization of the allegations is
mandatory. Rule 181 specifically requires particularization of
allegations of “breach of trust,” “wilful default,” “state of mind of
a person,” “malice” or “fraudulent intention.”
(at paras. 34-35, citations omitted).
[34] Applying the Housen standard of review to the
Prothonotary’s Order, we are of the view that the Judge interfered
absent a legal or palpable and overriding error.
[35] The Prothonotary determined that Mr. Amos’ Claim
disclosed no reasonable claim and was fundamentally vexatious on the
basis of jurisdictional concerns and the absence of material facts to
ground a cause of action. Paragraph 14 of the Claim, which addresses
the 2004 event, pleads no material facts as to how the RCMP officer
engaged in deliberate and unlawful conduct, knew that his or her
conduct was unlawful and likely to harm Mr. Amos, and acted in bad
faith. While the Claim alleges elsewhere that Mr. Amos was barred from
the New Brunswick legislature for political and/or malicious reasons,
these allegations are not particularized and are directed against
non-federal actors, such as the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Legislative
Assembly of New Brunswick and the Fredericton Police Force. As such,
the Judge erred in determining that Mr. Amos’ allegation that the RCMP
barred him from the New Brunswick legislature in 2004 was capable of
supporting a cause of action.
[36] In our view, the Claim is made up entirely of bare
allegations, devoid of any detail, such that it discloses no
reasonable cause of action within the jurisdiction of the Federal
Courts. Therefore, the Judge erred in interfering to set aside the
Prothonotary’s Order striking the claim in its entirety. Further, we
find that the Prothonotary made no error in denying leave to amend.
The deficiencies in Mr. Amos’ pleadings are so extensive such that
amendment could not cure them (see Collins at para. 26).
V. Conclusion
[37] For the foregoing reasons, we would allow the Crown’s
cross-appeal, with costs, setting aside the Federal Court Judgment,
dated January 25, 2016 and restoring the Prothonotary’s Order, dated
November 12, 2015, which struck Mr. Amos’ Claim in its entirety
without leave to amend.
"Wyman W. Webb"
J.A.
"David G. Near"
J.A.
"Mary J.L. Gleason"
J.A.
FEDERAL COURT OF APPEAL
NAMES OF COUNSEL AND SOLICITORS OF RECORD
A CROSS-APPEAL FROM AN ORDER OF THE HONOURABLE JUSTICE SOUTHCOTT DATED
JANUARY 25, 2016; DOCKET NUMBER T-1557-15.
DOCKET:
A-48-16
STYLE OF CAUSE:
DAVID RAYMOND AMOS v. HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
PLACE OF HEARING:
Fredericton,
New Brunswick
DATE OF HEARING:
May 24, 2017
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT OF THE COURT BY:
WEBB J.A.
NEAR J.A.
GLEASON J.A.
DATED:
October 30, 2017
APPEARANCES:
David Raymond Amos
For The Appellant / respondent on cross-appeal
(on his own behalf)
Jan Jensen
For The Respondent / appELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
SOLICITORS OF RECORD:
Nathalie G. Drouin
Deputy Attorney General of Canada
For The Respondent / APPELLANT ON CROSS-APPEAL
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Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
Cost of games ballooned to $130 million from $17 million
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Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved
Cost of games ballooned to $130 million from $17 million
The New Brunswick government has set a
deadline of Jan. 30 for Ottawa and the province to "develop funding
options" to save the troubled 2021 Francophonie Games.
Deputy premier Robert Gauvin says he has written to the four governments who are partners in the games, including the cities of Moncton and Dieppe, but that it's really up to the federal government to save the games.
In a recent meeting with federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc, "I was very encouraged," Gauvin said.
"I saw a glimmer of hope for the 2021 Francophonie Games that we haven't seen for a while."
The Blaine Higgs government doesn't need money on the table by Jan. 30, but "we just want the intentions," Gauvin said. "We want to know if all the financial partners want to go ahead. … If we're not going forward, we need to know sooner than later."
Without "positive intentions" by Jan. 30, the province would have to take steps to cancel the games, he said.
Until now, LeBlanc has been adamant that the federal government would only pay its original share of roughly half the total games budget.
With
the cost of the event ballooning from $17 million in the original 2016
bid to $130 million last year, the province's share would be far beyond
the original $10 million it planned to spend — a figure Gauvin said
remains firm.
But he said LeBlanc suggested to him at their meeting that the federal government may be willing to pay more.
"They were not closed to the idea of maybe revisiting the financial situation of the games and the way Ottawa puts money in the games for this situation," he said. "I can't say yes, but I didn't get a yes, but I definitely did not get a no."
Intergovernmental
Affairs Minister Dominic LeBlanc said Tuesday the province has not
submitted a concrete proposal to federal officials. (CBC)
LeBlanc,
however, issued a written statement reiterating that it's Ottawa's
"long-standing policy" to match provincial funding "dollar-for-dollar."
And he said that despite a positive meeting last week, the province has not submitted a concrete proposal to federal officials, only an ultimatum.
"If the Conservatives are serious about their willingness to host the Jeux de la Francophonie, we expect them to put forward a formal plan that does not leave federal dollars on the table," said LeBlanc's statement.
"New Brunswickers deserve honesty from their provincial government if it intends to cancel these games."
The $130 million for the 2021 games, to be held in Moncton and Dieppe, includes a range of other costs, including potential infrastructure projects, not in the original bid.
The initial $17 million estimate was based on a template from the International Organization of La Francophonie. It did not include a business plan or any amounts for potential infrastructure projects.
Gauvin said Tuesday the latest revised figure he's heard for the potential cost of the games is $80 million.
The original plan was for the cities of Moncton and Dieppe to contribute $750,000 each and the provincial and federal government would split the remainder of the cost. Gauvin said Tuesday the two cities "were quite clear with their intentions" to not go above that.
Philippe Beaulieu of the Association of Professional Acadian Artists said he hopes the federal government will back down. (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
Philippe
Beaulieu of the Association of Professional Acadian Artists welcomed
Gauvin's comments and said he hopes the federal government will back
down.
"It would be nice for a small province like ours to have the federal government rethink its formula," he said, suggesting Ottawa cover 80 percent and the province 20.
"It would make it a lot more viable for small provinces to make their mark on the world stage."
Even with games pared down to Gauvin's $80-million figure, that would leave the province spending $16 million, a figure unacceptable to People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin.
"Spending tens of millions of dollars on games of any type is not proper fiscal management," he told reporters.
The
Higgs minority government depends on the support of the three-member
Alliance caucus to stay in power, but Austin warned that if the PCs
allocate more than $10 million, "we will fight against it."
Asked if that meant voting against a provincial budget — which would trigger an election — Austin warned the Tories, "They don't want to put it in the budget, that's all I'll say."
Opposition Liberal MLA Monique LeBlanc attended Gauvin's news conference Tuesday but slipped away before reporters could speak to her. A spokesperson said she would not comment until Jan. 31.
New Brunswick was selected in 2016 to host the ninth edition of the Francophonie Games. (CBC)
Green
Leader David Coon said it was good for the province to set a deadline
and called on Ottawa to pick up the balance of the cost.
The province gave the organizing committee $930,000 for its operations this year.
New Brunswick was selected in 2016 to host the ninth edition of the games, which take place under the auspices of La Francophonie, an international organization of 58 governments with connections to the French language.
New Brunswick and Quebec have "participating government" status within the organization.
The games, open to New Brunswickers and Canadians regardless of the language they speak, would see about 3,000 participants take part in sport and cultural events in Moncton and Dieppe.
Higgs has called for a rethink of how the games are organized with Ottawa playing a greater role. He has argued that a large international event is beyond the ability of a small provincial government to organize.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesDeputy premier Robert Gauvin says he has written to the four governments who are partners in the games, including the cities of Moncton and Dieppe, but that it's really up to the federal government to save the games.
In a recent meeting with federal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc, "I was very encouraged," Gauvin said.
"I saw a glimmer of hope for the 2021 Francophonie Games that we haven't seen for a while."
The Blaine Higgs government doesn't need money on the table by Jan. 30, but "we just want the intentions," Gauvin said. "We want to know if all the financial partners want to go ahead. … If we're not going forward, we need to know sooner than later."
Without "positive intentions" by Jan. 30, the province would have to take steps to cancel the games, he said.
Until now, LeBlanc has been adamant that the federal government would only pay its original share of roughly half the total games budget.
But he said LeBlanc suggested to him at their meeting that the federal government may be willing to pay more.
"They were not closed to the idea of maybe revisiting the financial situation of the games and the way Ottawa puts money in the games for this situation," he said. "I can't say yes, but I didn't get a yes, but I definitely did not get a no."
And he said that despite a positive meeting last week, the province has not submitted a concrete proposal to federal officials, only an ultimatum.
"If the Conservatives are serious about their willingness to host the Jeux de la Francophonie, we expect them to put forward a formal plan that does not leave federal dollars on the table," said LeBlanc's statement.
"New Brunswickers deserve honesty from their provincial government if it intends to cancel these games."
Games could be $80M
The $130 million for the 2021 games, to be held in Moncton and Dieppe, includes a range of other costs, including potential infrastructure projects, not in the original bid.
The initial $17 million estimate was based on a template from the International Organization of La Francophonie. It did not include a business plan or any amounts for potential infrastructure projects.
Gauvin said Tuesday the latest revised figure he's heard for the potential cost of the games is $80 million.
The original plan was for the cities of Moncton and Dieppe to contribute $750,000 each and the provincial and federal government would split the remainder of the cost. Gauvin said Tuesday the two cities "were quite clear with their intentions" to not go above that.
"It would be nice for a small province like ours to have the federal government rethink its formula," he said, suggesting Ottawa cover 80 percent and the province 20.
"It would make it a lot more viable for small provinces to make their mark on the world stage."
'We will fight against it'
Even with games pared down to Gauvin's $80-million figure, that would leave the province spending $16 million, a figure unacceptable to People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin.
"Spending tens of millions of dollars on games of any type is not proper fiscal management," he told reporters.
Asked if that meant voting against a provincial budget — which would trigger an election — Austin warned the Tories, "They don't want to put it in the budget, that's all I'll say."
Opposition Liberal MLA Monique LeBlanc attended Gauvin's news conference Tuesday but slipped away before reporters could speak to her. A spokesperson said she would not comment until Jan. 31.
The province gave the organizing committee $930,000 for its operations this year.
New Brunswick was selected in 2016 to host the ninth edition of the games, which take place under the auspices of La Francophonie, an international organization of 58 governments with connections to the French language.
New Brunswick and Quebec have "participating government" status within the organization.
The games, open to New Brunswickers and Canadians regardless of the language they speak, would see about 3,000 participants take part in sport and cultural events in Moncton and Dieppe.
Higgs has called for a rethink of how the games are organized with Ottawa playing a greater role. He has argued that a large international event is beyond the ability of a small provincial government to organize.
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David R. Amos
Methinks many folks would agree that Robert Gauvin and Dominic Leblanc deserve each other N'esy Pas?
Rod McLeod
Given the amount of confusion
to date, this thing needs to be scrapped entirely. The organizing
committee is as confused as the rest of us. We all know that estimated
costs typically go up but when the differences are this extreme,
something is seriously wrong. There is too much incompetence for this
venture.
David R. Amos
@Rod McLeod "The organizing committee is as confused as the rest of us."
Methinks that many would agree that they are very nervous campers N'esy Pas?
Methinks that many would agree that they are very nervous campers N'esy Pas?
George Smith
@David R. Amos
@George Smith I like your Guzzi
I'm thinking you're the bike guy from Sussex. You'd probably like my 2014 California Touring too.
@George Smith I like your Guzzi
I'm thinking you're the bike guy from Sussex. You'd probably like my 2014 California Touring too.
David R. Amos
@George Smith I am that guy and it seems that I am old school these days
George Smith
@ David R. Amos
@stephen blunston Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?
It happens often to comments here.
@stephen blunston Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?
It happens often to comments here.
David R. Amos
@George Smith I experience it
on a daily basis However to be fair to CBC they only blocked one of my
comments in this comment section for a very strange reason
George Smith
@ Paul Bourgoin
"Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved, Rename them the English games."
That would never happen in N.B. An English games would draw flak even without the massive costs.
"Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved, Rename them the English games."
That would never happen in N.B. An English games would draw flak even without the massive costs.
David R. Amos
@George Smith True
George Smith
Never mind deadlines just put a stop to this foolishness at once.
David R. Amos
@George Smith I like your Guzzi
Paul Bourgoin
Province sets deadline for signal the Francophonie Games can be saved, Rename them the English games.
Andrew Clarkson
@Paul Bourgoin
And again, horse puckey!
And again, horse puckey!
David R. Amos
@Paul Bourgoin Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?
reginald churchill
@Paul Bourgoin -----I really
don't understand this comment. New Brunswick simply can't afford these
games no matter what one wants to call them. Maybe those who want the
games should fund them themselves without tax payers money.
@reginald churchill
New Brunswick history is there to read and the facts are there also would that not be a double standard.
New Brunswick history is there to read and the facts are there also would that not be a double standard.
@David R. Amos
It depends what side of the fence you are!
It depends what side of the fence you are!
Mario Doucet
The government of NB could
fall over this and a final decision on bilingualism could be the result.
That would be good. SANB is playing with fire and could get burned.
David R. Amos
@Mario Doucet Methinks
whereas New Brunswick does not have its own constitution we should have a
referendum during the next provincial election asking whether or not we
should petition the Feds to change the Charter and remove the parts
about New Brunswick being Canada's only bilingual jurisdiction N'esy
Pas?
Roland Godin
@David R. Amos
i understand that because we have all the jobs some are not able to pay their share, however 'worry pas' we are known for our caring and sharing...et voilà.
i understand that because we have all the jobs some are not able to pay their share, however 'worry pas' we are known for our caring and sharing...et voilà.
@Roland
Do i hear an Amen................
Do i hear an Amen................
@Dan Lee Amen
@Mario Doucet
*SANB is playing with fire and could get burned.*
It makes me laugh when you target a non-for profit organization with no power only because it French.
*SANB is playing with fire and could get burned.*
It makes me laugh when you target a non-for profit organization with no power only because it French.
@Marc Martin Methinks
everybody knows SANB is a VERY political non-for profit organization
funded by taxpayer dollars N'esy Pas?
@David R. Amos -----well put
@David R. Amos Absolutely!!
Bernard McIntyre
I read somewhere from someone
I can't remember this person's name but he had a great solution for
holding these Francophone games and actually should be applied to all
the major sporting events etc. Olympics, Pan am games (not all sporting
events). That every country involved in the event should have to pay
some of the costs of the event instead of the country where the event is
taking place pay's the full amount. I thought that was a very good
Idea.
David R. Amos
@Bernard McIntyre Me too
stephen blunston
cancel these gamers already
NB can not afford them to begin with even if it was only 10 million, the
organisers didn't not give an honest assessment of costs when they
planned it so NB should give zero extra dollars take the organserr to
court and sue them for lying period . if higgs caves and offer more he
is done .. time to stop all the welfare for these types of events the
oraganisers and the holders of games whether it is the francaphonie
games or Olympic walk away with a lot of cash leaving the taxpayers the
bills it is not right and needs to end now
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David R. Amos
@stephen blunston "NB should give zero extra dollars take the organserr to court and sue them for lying period"
I wholeheartedly agree
I wholeheartedly agree
David R. Amos
@stephen blunston Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
*Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?*
If it was for me you would be completely banned.
*Methinks it is strange to be blocked for merely agreeing with you N'esy Pas?*
If it was for me you would be completely banned.
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you
know as well as I that I have been arguing with the "Powers That Be"
about your malicious actions against me N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@stephen blunston "the
organisers didn't not give an honest assessment of costs when they
planned it so NB should give zero extra dollars take the organserr to
court and sue them for lying period "
True
True
Jonas Smith
"MLA Monique LeBlanc attended
Gauvin's news conference Tuesday but slipped away before reporters
could speak to her. A spokesperson said she would not comment until Jan.
31". Why is she even there then. We elect these people because they're
to contribute to discourse. Not hide until they can complain about it
after the decision is made. I guess that's the level of engagement this
so called MLA we can expect......Shameful.
David R. Amos
@Jonas Smith Good Point Sir
McKenzie King
Not sure why we need special
games for people just because they speak a certain language. NB is
broke. It doesn't have two nickles to rub together or a pot to p**s in,
yet we are expected to spend money on this foolishness. If we have to
spend money we don't have, let's spend it on something useful, not on
something to support differences in people because of the language they
speak.
Marc Martin
@McKenzie King
*Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak a certain language*
Anyone could participate in these games regardless of their language...
*Not sure why we need special games for people just because they speak a certain language*
Anyone could participate in these games regardless of their language...
@Marc Martin Methinks not just anyone is making money off of this francophonie nonsense N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin Au contraire mon frere .
Only for New Brunswickers and Canadians, the ones on the hook if this boondoggle goes ahead.
Only for New Brunswickers and Canadians, the ones on the hook if this boondoggle goes ahead.
Marc Martin
@Shawn McShane
What does this comment have to do with mine ??
What does this comment have to do with mine ??
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks even
you must understand that the dude is making fun of you because the
government supported SANB spin doctors have become irrelevant N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
I have no idea what your talking about, maybe the 2 other Marc Martin would know you should contact them lol.
I have no idea what your talking about, maybe the 2 other Marc Martin would know you should contact them lol.
Craig O'Donnell
Whether it's federal dollars
or provincial, it's still taxpayers footing the bill, and I doubt
taxpayers in Alberta or Saskatchewan are much interested in paying for
games that have no benefit for them.
Marc Martin
@Craig O'Donnell
They didn't complain when the Feds gave the Pan-Am game in Ontario 2 Billion ?
They didn't complain when the Feds gave the Pan-Am game in Ontario 2 Billion ?
Shawn McShane
@Marc Martin There is a
lesson to learn from games: Two Ontario mayors are calling on Toronto
to pick up the tab for cost overruns from the Pan Am Games. Ontario's
auditor general said Wednesday the games came in $342 million over
budget, with more than $5 million being spent on performance
bonuses...Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley has long opposed funding the games,
calling the event a "tremendous waste."
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks nobody believes you N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you have contacted two others lol.
Are you sure your talking to the right Marc Martin Davis ? I mean you have contacted two others lol.
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks everybody know who you are by now N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
I think your the only one who thinks knows who I am...
I think your the only one who thinks knows who I am...
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks even you must understand about IP addresses N'esy Pas?
Albert Wade
Retired and spending my
pension money in Florida. Now to switch my permanent residence to Nova
Scotia so I don't have to support this nonsense anymore.
Tim Raworth
@Albert Wade NS is not exempt
from the quiet push for increased francophone services at the expense
of the tax payers. Look what recently happed with abolishment of the
District Education Counsels, for English schools, not the French. What's
up with that?
Marc Martin
@Albert Wade
*Retired and spending my pension money in Florida*
Then you don't support anything taxe related here so why complain ?
*Retired and spending my pension money in Florida*
Then you don't support anything taxe related here so why complain ?
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth
Because Nova Scotia when it comes to schools have no choice, its mandatory across all Canada to have schools for both language English and French.
Because Nova Scotia when it comes to schools have no choice, its mandatory across all Canada to have schools for both language English and French.
Tim Raworth
@Marc Martin That still does not answer the question
Marc Martin
@Tim Raworth
Actually it does, by law the French or English population of Canada have a right to have their own school district.
Actually it does, by law the French or English population of Canada have a right to have their own school district.
David R. Amos
@Albert Wade Methinks you may be wise beyond your years N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@Tim Raworth "What's up with that?"
Good question
Good question
Lou Bell
130 million to watch the tail that wags the dog. Nope, no more .
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks many agree N'esy Pas?
David Stairs
here we go...justifying
spending money we do not have on a select few because if we say no to
them, it will be a bilingual issue in the next election...I am so sick
of the bilingual B.S. in this society we live in...get back to majority
rules and if you wish to protect your so called culture then set up your
cultural clubs and leave the rest of us alone...we are not funding your
issues anymore...
Marc Martin
@David Stairs
*and if you wish to protect your so called culture then set up your cultural clubs and leave the rest of us alone...we are not funding your issues anymore...*
So we should close all schools stop funding festivals and museum these are all culture related. Lets open a sign language school across NB, would that make you happy?
*and if you wish to protect your so called culture then set up your cultural clubs and leave the rest of us alone...we are not funding your issues anymore...*
So we should close all schools stop funding festivals and museum these are all culture related. Lets open a sign language school across NB, would that make you happy?
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks you deliberately make no sense just to raise the ire in others N'esy Pas?
Roland Godin
@David Stairs
From pea soup to sturring the English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh tarten sauce...EH!
From pea soup to sturring the English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh tarten sauce...EH!
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Are you talking to me Davis or one of the other Marc Martin ?
Are you talking to me Davis or one of the other Marc Martin ?
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David R. Amos
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Who is Davis?
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos Methinks it i very interesting that that question was was disabled N'esy Pas?
Fred Dee
If there is so much money
expected to be produced.... then let the Acadian groups "invest" the
$$$$ in the games, and then they can use any "profits" for themselves!!!
Of course, they know there will be no profits, they expect everyone else to pay for the mess!!
Kill it now and get any monies back that were not waisted!!! Audit and charge anyone who took any undeserving $$$$$
This was Gallants party... for his friends!! pure and simple!!!
Of course, they know there will be no profits, they expect everyone else to pay for the mess!!
Kill it now and get any monies back that were not waisted!!! Audit and charge anyone who took any undeserving $$$$$
This was Gallants party... for his friends!! pure and simple!!!
David R. Amos
@Fred Dee Methinks Gallant's
buddy Dominic Leblanc is a big player in this very questionable
francophonie game as well N'esy Pas?
Yves Savoie
@David R. Amos Dominic buddies have a special interest in these games.....what's your take!!!!
Yves Savoie
@Fred Dee i'm french and want no part of this farce, we have bigger issues here in Nouveau-Brunswick....
David R. Amos
@Yves Savoie Methinks you
should ask Dominic Leblanc and his boss Trudeau The Younger why I sued
the Crown while running in the election of the 42nd Parliament Anyone
can Google the following N'esy Pas?
David Amos Federal Court
David Amos Federal Court
Brian Robertson
Even $17 Million was about $16 Million too much.
The only factual thing about these games is the 'phony' bit.
The only factual thing about these games is the 'phony' bit.
David R. Amos
@Brian Robertson YUP
Matt Steele
It is difficult to understand
how these games could cost 130 MILLION . The games only last about 10
days , so that would be around 13 MILLION per day for the taxpayers to
pay out.....someone must be planning to fill their pockets with taxpayer
cash big time with these scam games . .
David R. Amos
@Matt Steele Its not rocket science
Roland Godin
And the friendly three headed
dragon( municipal, provincial, federal) is blowing cash plus adding
each their horrendous administration fees, mostly used for political
capital, on another project and the tail end refuelling from one source
only, la mienne and yours...et voilà.
David R. Amos
@Roland Godin Methinks thou doth jest too much N'esy Pas?
Roland Godin
@David R. Amos
Just, 'A Jesting' to the situation...
Just, 'A Jesting' to the situation...
David R. Amos
@Roland Godin Me Too
Yves Savoie
Mr Higgs as a NBer, these
games are a farce....and we as french citizens of NB see no need of this
waste of money. There are more important issues to be looked into.
M.Higgs comme citoyen du NB svp arreter cette farce, ses jeux sont inutile.....comme citoyen franco phone du NB nous avons des plus gros problemes a resoudre…..Merci
M.Higgs comme citoyen du NB svp arreter cette farce, ses jeux sont inutile.....comme citoyen franco phone du NB nous avons des plus gros problemes a resoudre…..Merci
David R. Amos
@Yves Savoie I wholeheartedly agree sir as do many other French and English folks
daryl doucette
@Yves Savoie I have no
family doctor now. I am in my 50's and have NEVER abused my right to a
family doctor here in Moncton. Please spend the money us tax payers
invested into the health care system into hiring other doctors. . Not
into Acadian/francophone games, artists, or one thing or another.
Yves Savoie
@David R. Amos Mr Amos any
citizen of NB that agrees with this farce, should have his head
checked....please read post below of Mr Doucette.And then you have the
(mmm) to talk about games, this man can't get a family doctor for gods
sake!!
David R. Amos
@Yves Savoie Methinks you are
not aware that I don't even have a HEALTH CARE CARD thanks to the
politicians that I ran against 6 times thus far N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David R. Amos, ran 6 times and lost BIG TIME EVERY TIME !
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps
Methinks every political lawyer in New Brunswick knows that is true
However my integrity is still intact and unlike you I see more than a
mere reflection when I look in the mirror and you know many lawyers fear
to come to court and argue me N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Marguerite Deschamps
*I don't even have a HEALTH CARE CARD *
He should have one, its not normal to think there is only one Marc Martin across Canada....
*I don't even have a HEALTH CARE CARD *
He should have one, its not normal to think there is only one Marc Martin across Canada....
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks whereas
you read my lawsuit you know as well as I that when the RCMP illegally
arrested me in 2008 and no judge wanted to meet me the FEDS had me
filed in the local looney bin for a bit However when the Shrinks in the
DECH in Fat Fred City had to let me go and never got paid for their
malice because I did not have a HEALTH CARE CARD or a SIN everybody had a
panic attack because everybody loves their money N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Your making no sense again Davis...
Your making no sense again Davis...
Andrew Clarkson
"Deputy premier Robert Gauvin earlier described the Francophonie Games as a chance for New Brunswick 'to shine.' "
Is that like stick it where the sun don't shine!
Is that like stick it where the sun don't shine!
David R. Amos
@Andrew Clarkson Methinks Deputy Premier Robert Gauvin will not run in the next election that may be coming very soon N'esy Pas?
Joseph Vacher
This is such a joke, let SNAB pay for it if they want it that bad
@Joseph Vacher YUP
daryl doucette
Hmmmmm....will have to "
investigate" and see how much funding the " Association of
Professional Acadian Artists" have gotten from various levels of
government here in Canada ever since its inception, when ever that was,
David R. Amos
@daryl doucette Double Hmmm
Lou Bell
Dominic is trying to spin the
blame on Higgs , after he and Brian filled the pockets of their
cronies , and that had just begun ! Still had over 125 million to dole
out to their buddies pockets !
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell YUP
Lou Bell
Let Dominic and Maggie pay for it !
David R. Amos
@Lou Bell Methinks you are baiting Maggie N'esy Pas?
daryl doucette
Well this is good news,
finally we can see a date when this foolish waste of money will finally
get what it deserves, a cancellation. And at the same time could some
one explain to me what the " Association of Professional Acadian
Artists" actually is? I was not aware that " Artists" any where were
members of any " profession". Please enlighten me.
David R. Amos
@daryl doucette "Please enlighten me"
Methinks the Crown byway of CBC just did N'esy Pas?
Methinks the Crown byway of CBC just did N'esy Pas?
Mario Doucet
The UN despots and dictators games funded by the Canadian taxpayer.
David R. Amos
@Mario Doucet Not yet
David Webb
NB Nursing Home Wait List December 2017 2019
Dec 2017 Total 590 in hospital 380
Dec 2018 Total 750 in hospital 465
Stuff ANY non essential spending for vanity projects period.
Dec 2017 Total 590 in hospital 380
Dec 2018 Total 750 in hospital 465
Stuff ANY non essential spending for vanity projects period.
David R. Amos
@David Webb I agree
Doug Leblanc
Higgs should write a cheque
for 10 million minus all provincial cost to date, and give it to Gallant
to hand to his friends. Then let Dominic and Gallant manage the games
with federal money, or burn through the 10 million with nothing to show
but happy friends. With one catch, at the end, there must be audited
financials of every single cost so Dominic can explain that to all
Canadian taxpayers.
David R. Amos
@Doug Leblanc Dream on
Laurie Clark
Absolutely do NOT fund these games for that ridiculous amount of money!
David R. Amos
@Laurie Clark Welcome to the Circus
Marguerite Deschamps
@David R. Amos, here comes the clown!
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "here comes the clown!"
Methinks your old buddy Lou will be happy that you finally made an appearance N'esy Pas?
Methinks your old buddy Lou will be happy that you finally made an appearance N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
Just change the name to the
Anglophone Games PANB will support it immediately and we will hear
crickets from the Anglophone community.
Andrew Clarkson
@Marc Martin
Horse puckey!
Horse puckey!
Jim Moore
@Marc Martin At least it
would represent a lot more people per capita than 130 million for less
than 8% of the province, even then its a waste of money, its a waste at
17 million
Natalie Pugh
@Marc Martin What a
ridiculous comment. There are no Anglophone groups or the PANB who
would ever support that amount of money wasted on something so
insignificant, the difference is we have common sense!
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks most folks prefer the peaceful sound of crickets to the whining you SANB dudes make N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@Jim Moore
See you have proven my point...
See you have proven my point...
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Hey Davis are you still emailing that other Marc Martin at SANB or are you still harassing that poor provincial civil servant ? lol
Hey Davis are you still emailing that other Marc Martin at SANB or are you still harassing that poor provincial civil servant ? lol
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Who is Davis?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Come one Davis you know who you are.
Come one Davis you know who you are.
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin I Know I am
David Raymond Amos and you are Marc Martin a minor minion who supports
the SANB and works for the government N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
Uh Oh Libel right there Davis !!!
Uh Oh Libel right there Davis !!!
Rosco holt
Stop wasting taxes on these blasted events, they always cost more than initially planned.
David R. Amos
@Rosco holt Mais oui
Mack Leigh
Cancel these Francophonie
Games.... period... This whole thing smacks of collusion, corruption and
quite possibly fraud, in my opinion....... There needs to be a full
forensic audit and investigation..
David R. Amos
@Mack Leigh "There needs to be a full forensic audit and investigation"
Good luck getting one
Good luck getting one
Mack Leigh
There are only 3 to 5 % of
people in New Brunswick that are unilingually french speaking....
Holding this conference is a slap in the face to every other man , woman
and child in this province... Premier Higgs, Robert Gauvin, you owe the
majority a huge apology...
Mack Leigh
@Mack Leigh Should read " holding this conference in French only "....
Rosco holt
@Mack Leigh
The same crap should apply when the royals visit the country. Wasting millions to parade a bunch of pampered elites.
The same crap should apply when the royals visit the country. Wasting millions to parade a bunch of pampered elites.
reginald churchill
@Rosco holt -----AGREED 100%
Stephen Long
@Rosco holt Can you seriously believe that any of the royals has even heard of New Brunswick?
marie-pierre Leblanc
@Stephen Long the queen has
David R. Amos
@Stephen Long Methinks everybody knows that they have visited here many times Surely you are joking N'esy Pas?
Rosco holt
@Stephen Long
They are suppose to "swing by" Canada during the year, but what locations they'll visit is still a mystery.
They are suppose to "swing by" Canada during the year, but what locations they'll visit is still a mystery.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rosco holt, they can "swing la bottine dans l'fond d'la boîte à bois" for all I care.
Rosco holt
@Marguerite Deschamps
I care, when government spends money we don't have on things that are useless.
Royal visits, Olympic games, political propaganda, kickbacks, corporate wealthfare, etc....
I care, when government spends money we don't have on things that are useless.
Royal visits, Olympic games, political propaganda, kickbacks, corporate wealthfare, etc....
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rosco holt, I was more making fun of that useless Malarkey from Great Britain that is not so great anymore.
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps "I was more making fun of that useless Malarkey from Great Britain that is not so great anymore."
Methinks if that is remotely true then you should be celebrating the fact that I sued Her Majesty the Queen while running in the election of the 42nd Parliament N'esy Pas?
Methinks if that is remotely true then you should be celebrating the fact that I sued Her Majesty the Queen while running in the election of the 42nd Parliament N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
* I sued Her Majesty the Queen *
You need help...
* I sued Her Majesty the Queen *
You need help...
Mack Leigh
The initial amount of
commitment was 17 million.......anything over that is money that we
cannot afford... Heck, this province cannot even afford 50 % of the 17
million....... Health care in the toilet... Education in the toilet.....
Absolutely no reason could be given to justify proceeding with these
Francophonie games..... period...
David R. Amos
@Mack Leigh Methinks most folks not affiliated with SANB with any semblance of common sense agree N'esy Pas?
michael levesque
it was a disgrace that the news conference was in french only
Marc Martin
@michael levesque
What about those translation devices you prides yourself so much that work miracles ?
What about those translation devices you prides yourself so much that work miracles ?
Lou Bell
@Marc Martin Where were they ????????
marie-pierre Leblanc
@michael levesque it was the francaphonie games why would it not be in french
michael levesque
@marie-pierre Leblanc
government services to be provided in both languages, press conference
is a government service. he just promoted people alliance profile dumb
like his father.
David R. Amos
@michael levesque Methinks lots of folks heard Gauvin yapping in English as well N'esy Pas?
Douglas James
"Gauvin said the province is
looking for a "positive" response from other partners for a funding
solution, but he said that response doesn't necessarily need a dollar
figure attached."
Without a dollar figure attached, any such response is meaningless and still potentially leaves taxpayers on the hook for a significant amount of money that could be better spent on more pressing matters.
Whether the Games are worthy or not is immaterial. The Higgs government will lose all credibility if it puts one more dime into these games after committing itself to fiscal responsibility. This is not meant as a criticism of the event itself. It is just a simple reality check.
Without a dollar figure attached, any such response is meaningless and still potentially leaves taxpayers on the hook for a significant amount of money that could be better spent on more pressing matters.
Whether the Games are worthy or not is immaterial. The Higgs government will lose all credibility if it puts one more dime into these games after committing itself to fiscal responsibility. This is not meant as a criticism of the event itself. It is just a simple reality check.
David R. Amos
@Douglas James " It is just a simple reality check."
Nope but your Party Leader who can't be named said
"Green Leader David XXXX said it was good for the province to set a deadline and called on Ottawa to pick up the balance of the cost."
Methinks many would agree that this nonsense is just a sick joke N'esy Pas?
Nope but your Party Leader who can't be named said
"Green Leader David XXXX said it was good for the province to set a deadline and called on Ottawa to pick up the balance of the cost."
Methinks many would agree that this nonsense is just a sick joke N'esy Pas?
Douglas James
@David R. Amos Well, I
certainly agree it is a sick joke if New Brunswick taxpayers have to pay
any more than was previously agreed to.
Jim Moore
They just need to scrap this waste of money asap
David R. Amos
@Jim Moore Methinks the
francophonie games will never happen Higgs and his cohorts are just
playing political games now N'esy Pas?
Thomas Fitzpatrick
The Highland Games and
Scottish festival received $35,000 from the City of Fredericton and
$5,000 from the Province. Any other monies came from sponsors,ticket
sales,entry fees,etc. The more than 100 workers were volunteers. Over
10,000 people were in attendance. Compare that to the Francophonie
Games??
Marc Martin
@Thomas Fitzpatrick
they received money from Heritage Canada also.
they received money from Heritage Canada also.
Joseph Vacher
@Marc Martin
peanuts.....
peanuts.....
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks when
your lawyer read my lawsuit he would know that I was barred from the
Highland Games in Fat Fred City in 2015 N'esy Pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
@David R. Amos, I see that
you take great pride in getting barred from almost everywhere. Has it
ever occurred to you that you could be the problem?
David R. Amos
@Marguerite Deschamps Methinks you finally admit that you read my lawsuit N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
@David R. Amos Methinks we
should have no doubt whatsoever that you studied the comment section of
this article long ago N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Marc Martin
@Joseph Vacher
But they still did...
But they still did...
Marc Martin
@Thomas Fitzpatrick
The Pan-Am games 2 years ago got 2 billion from the Feds...So whats your point ?
The Pan-Am games 2 years ago got 2 billion from the Feds...So whats your point ?
David R. Amos
@Marc Martin Methinks your point is to merely bury my reply to Maggie N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@David R. Amos
*Methinks when your lawyer read my lawsuit he would know that I was barred from the Highland Games in Fat Fred City in 2015 N'esy Pas?*
Lawyers ? I think you have the wrong Marc Martin, try the other 2.
*Methinks when your lawyer read my lawsuit he would know that I was barred from the Highland Games in Fat Fred City in 2015 N'esy Pas?*
Lawyers ? I think you have the wrong Marc Martin, try the other 2.
Fred Brewer
"The Progressive Conservative
government has announced a deadline of Jan. 30 for funding partners of
the Francophonie Games to make known their "intentions" to work together
to find a solution to save the international event."
Oh come on Mr. Higgs. Of course they will make known their "intentions" as intentions cost nothing but will drag this out even longer. Jan 30th should have been a hard deadline to have the funding in place or cancel the games.
Oh come on Mr. Higgs. Of course they will make known their "intentions" as intentions cost nothing but will drag this out even longer. Jan 30th should have been a hard deadline to have the funding in place or cancel the games.
David R. Amos
@Fred Brewer YUP
philippe m martin
TD could be a major sponsor of this event
Joseph Vacher
@philippe m martin
it would make more sense for BMO :P
it would make more sense for BMO :P
David R. Amos
@Joseph Vacher Methinks Frank McKenna may disagree N'esy Pas?
Gary MacKay
IMO there is little question
about the affordability of these games. Even at the initial amount the
taxpayers are wondering where that was coming from. We have far too high
taxes now and debt that needs to be reduced. Having a future in NB with
reasonable services that are affordable needs to start now. Lets move
on, reduce expectations for now and get the priorities in place.
marie-pierre Leblanc
@Gary MacKay a reasonable
person examines the whole debt situation at its base and realise pierre
trudeau changed the bank of canada act to borrow fromprivate banks at
compound interest rather then borrow gov overspending from teh bank of
canada at straight interest the whole game was set up to never be
satisfied gaining larger and larger payment to service the debt if this
were not the case we could get golden hospital beds for everyone and pay
for games for anyone you want samoan games sure we can have them
David R. Amos
@marie-pierre Leblanc Methinks old Paul Hellyer would be happy if you read his book "Goodbye Canada" N'esy Pas?
cheryl wright
if as a province we spend any
more than the agreed upon amount ( which is more than we should have in
the first place ) we are absolutely going to riot in the streets.. I
will lead us
Fred Brewer
@cheryl wright
Totally agree with you Cheryl. In fact when Higgs was slashing the budget, the original $10 million should have been slashed too. We just cannot afford it.
Totally agree with you Cheryl. In fact when Higgs was slashing the budget, the original $10 million should have been slashed too. We just cannot afford it.
David R. Amos
@cheryl wright Methinks there will be no need for a riot when a simple lawsuit would suffice N'esy Pas?
Marc Martin
@cheryl wright
*we are absolutely going to riot in the streets.. I will lead us*
I don't find that hard to believe, you where part of the anti-French rally's in Fredericton..
*we are absolutely going to riot in the streets.. I will lead us*
I don't find that hard to believe, you where part of the anti-French rally's in Fredericton..
Dan Armitage
Whats more important to New
Brunswick? Games? Or delivering babies in Bathurst or supplying
ambulance services to all of New Brunswick. Or even the use of these
funds to attract industry to help pay for the services we need. How long
ago did the Moncton Hospital close its emergency room due to the lack
of nurses. So what's your priorities?
Thomas Imber
@Dan Armitage "Whats more
important to New Brunswick? Games? Or delivering babies in Bathurst"
...well said. NB isn't in a position to be frittering away tax dollars
while units in hospitals are closed.
David R. Amos
@Dan Armitage Survey Says???
Rosco holt
@Dan Armitage
Attract industries?
We already attract industry by subsidizing some big players at the expanse of local small/ medium businesses that function without taxpayers money.
Oxford foods come to mind. Government gave them lands and money. They in turn control the blueberry market, killing off all the small/ medium producers.
Attract industries?
We already attract industry by subsidizing some big players at the expanse of local small/ medium businesses that function without taxpayers money.
Oxford foods come to mind. Government gave them lands and money. They in turn control the blueberry market, killing off all the small/ medium producers.
Marguerite Deschamps
@Rosco holt, good point about
Oxford! And they gave away the wood on public land to big corporations
at the expense of small wood owners killing them as well in the process.
@Rosco holt Methinks you
should check my work in 2006 right after I ran in the election of the
39th Parliament. Google "Harper and Bankers" then look for the names of
Frank McKenna and the Blueberry King
John Bragg then anyone can follow the money since N'esy Pas?
John Bragg then anyone can follow the money since N'esy Pas?
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