David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others Methinks if any one
Trump's lawyers knew how to read page 2 of this old file they would have
easily seen that I proved long ago that Mueller and I are far from done
with our spit and chew N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others Things were OK until 1489 Comments Then
a lot of comments were deleted along with the thread that my post was
within so I waited until the last hour and posted a lot of comments as
per my MO
Charging Donald Trump with crime wasn't an option, Robert Mueller says
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Matt Young Thank
You President Trump for being the strong leader you are , for hanging
in there while the Dems conspired to corruptly take you down , thank you
for the boominig economy , Thank you for your commitment to our Police
officers and our military , Thank You for being the first President to
actually deal with the border issue and Democrats .... Thanks for
Nothing as that is all I ever see you do unless you consider whining to
be something
David Amos
Methinks if any one
Trump's lawyers knew how to read page 2 of this old file they would have
easily seen that I proved long ago that Mueller and I are far from done
with our spit and chew N'esy Pas?
In 2016, both the
Republicans and the Democrats ran deeply flawed candidates. It appears,
that the Democratic establishment is once again trying to thwart
progressive voices in their party by supporting a soon-to-be
octogenarian as their presidential nominee. Really, the Democratic
elites who control financing and policy are often as conservative, or
more so, than those they vilify. The contention that the US is a
democracy is belied by the Tweedledum-Tweedledee faces of electoral
choice. And, for foreign policy, empire takes precedence.
Rhea Montgomery The
Absolute moral to THIS story is, 'If we could say Donald Trump was
innocent, we would say, Donald Trump IS innocent, but we can't so we
won't'. Ergo Donald Trump is GUILTY. That's a pretty simple line to
follow. Unless you're a Donald Trump supporter.
Alexandre Hilton Reply
to @Rhea Montgomery: In America, you are innocent until proven guilty.
He was never proven guilty, ergo, he is INNOCENT.
Rhea
Montgomery Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: No, he was proven guilty. He could not charge based on him being POTUS.
Alexandre Hilton
Reply to @Rhea
Montgomery: Huh? Trump was proven guilty? Of what crime? Better yet,
of what charge? By whom? According to whom? Are you privy to
information that the DOJ or special counsel did not have access to?
Trump has not been proven guilty of any crimes. Full stop. Period.
End of discussion.
Matt Thuaii Reply to @Alexandre Hilton:
The details of the Mueller Report make it clear. He and his inner circle
did attempt to coordinate with a foreign power to further his personal
connections and win the presidency. He and his inner circle did attempt
to obstruct justice. The only reason their efforts weren’t successful is
because he and those around him are so utterly incapable at everything
but PR...
...and none of that matters.
David Amos Reply to @Matt Thuaii: " ..and none of that matters."
YEA Right Methinks you should check my work again N'esy Pas?
Reply to @Rhea
Montgomery: "Not being allowed to charge someone does not make you
innocent. It makes you apparently above the law. He's guilty."
True However methinks you do not know what he is guilty of N'esy Pas?
Rhea
Montgomery Reply to @David Amos: Obstruction, conspiracy, money laundering, slander... take your pick.
Jeffrey Wayne I would rather see Mr. Mueller before a public committee taking question and of course under oath.
Barr already ran away from that.
Alexandre Hilton Reply to @Jeffrey Wayne: Barr testified under oath in front of the senate judiciary. Get your facts straight.
David Amos Reply to @Jeffrey Wayne: "I would rather see Mr. Mueller before a public committee taking question and of course under oath."
David Amos
Reply to @Alexandre Hilton: "Get your facts straight"
Methinks you should check my work again Everybody knows a great deal of
my documents etc are in the Public Record of Federal Court in
Fredericton (File No T-1557-15) Clearly the matter was ongoing long
before Trump was ever elected More importantly the Appeal Courts
Justices did mention the FBI and I in their decision long before Mueller
filed his report N'esy Pas?
Stan Vincent Mueller: "If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said that."
Mueller is making it clear that he is leaving it to Congress to decide
whether Trump should be impeached or not, and whether charges should be
brought against Trump once he is no longer president.
Lou Bell Reply to @Stan Vincent: I think the NY State Attorney has already made the determination on the charges . BIGLY !
Ryan
Schreiber Reply
to @Stan Vincent: Yeah the real problem is congress can't get a full
copy of the report because the AG Barr is Trumps friend. If they're able
to get a full copy of the report they'll have something to base actions
on. Maybe they'll be able to get a copy from the next administrations
AG.
David Amos
Reply to @Lou Bell: So you say EH?
David Amos
Reply to @Ryan
Schreiber: Methinks Big Bad Billy Barr and Bobby Mueller would have had a
hard time explaining to Congress all the documents and the wiretap tape
that I sent them and many of their buddies when Barr worked for my
Clan''s evil phone company in Beantown. It was at the same time that
Mueller was the boss of the FBI and best of pals with the very crooked
Yankee judge who much later wanted to prosecute Whitey Bulger in order
to cover things up for the FBI N'esy Pas?
Rhea Montgomery No
Question that Social Media has been weaponized by the Right leaning
governments around the world. Manipulation at it's best. There is a
reason that Zuckerberg is taking the same "do not bother to show up" to
hearings that all Trump stooges take. Abhorrent. The whole lot of them.
Richard Jay
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery:
"No Question that Social Media has been weaponized by the Right leaning governments"
And all media outlets have been "weaponized" by the left for a very long time.
What's your point. The right is smarter?
John Dirlik Reply to @Richard Jay:
"all media outlets have been "weaponized" by the left for a very long time."
Six conglomerates headed by conservatives elements control 90% of what
Americans watch. They unsurprisingly peddle a self-serving narrative,
whether 2003 WMD lies to sell the Iraq war, an ongoing pro-Israel slant
to justify its occupation or the pre-election cheering for war hawk
Hillary Clinton (only because Trump was regarded as too much of a loose
cannon).
Canada's largest private media (with its flagship National Post) reaches
71% of Canadians and remains unchanged since Izzy Asper bought Conrad
Black's Hollinger empire and turned Canwest into a Conservative-Likud
mouthpiece. (Postmedia further expanded its already impressive monopoly
by merging the editorial desks of hitherto competing newspapers, even
though its purchase of Quebecor's Sun chain was approved by the
Competition Bureau on the condition they be kept separate.)
"Leftist media"? Sheer unadulterated myth.
David Amos
Reply to @John Dirlik: "Leftist media"? Sheer unadulterated myth"
Methinks thou doth jest too much but at least it is in the proper location N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Jay: "What's your point. The right is smarter? "
Methinks its a moot point N'esy Pas?
Douglas Drouin So,
he states that there was no possible way to charge the sitting president
while he is in office with a crime, but that there is only one other
mechanism to hold a sitting president accountable and it should be
explored.
That mechanism is impeachment.
Rick E. Williams Reply
to @Douglas Drouin: There aren't the votes. And if they start the
process and don't get the votes it will be disingenuously painted as
"exoneration" (just as the Mueller report was). That is why so many
Democratic strategists are against impeachment; they feel its better
left to the electorate. Assuming Trump is turfed he will be fair game
for criminal prosecution and civil action (especially tax related) at
the state level. I would say that the chances of Trump seeing the
inside of a prison if he loses the next election are not super high but
they are much better than 50%.
Greg Gore (formerly Greggore) Reply to @Douglas Drouin: and good luck with that one LOL!
Travis Ladwin Reply to @Greg Gore (formerly Greggore):
Won't take much luck, most logical thinking people can understand that.
David Amos Reply to @Travis Ladwin: Methinks logical thinking people are a dying breed N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @Douglas Drouin: "That mechanism is impeachment."
True but that will fly in the Yankee Senate like lead balloon N'esy Pas?
Gorden
Feist "Special
counsel Robert Mueller said Wednesday charging the president of the
United States with a crime was not an option his office could consider,
given existing Justice Department guidelines that a sitting president
cannot be indicted."
In other words, NOT innocent and NOT vindicated.
Bruce Stanley
Reply to @Gorden
Feist: And no evidence. A president can be indicted but not charged. Of
course the whole no evidence kills that fairy tale.
Michael Murphy Reply to @Bruce Stanley: "10 examples of Trump obstructing justice - no evidence"
Trump supporters
David Amos Reply
to @Michael Murphy: Methinks if you or any one Trump's lawyers knew how
to read page 2 of this old file they would have easily seen that I
proved long ago that Mueller and I are far from done with our spit and
chew N'esy Pas?
Daniel
Hicks Can't charge a sitting president...wow sound like a banana republic to me.
Tanner Moorman
Reply to @Daniel Hicks: Sounds like an S hole country to me.
David Amos
Reply to @Daniel
Hicks: Methinks Peter MacKay and I would like to see a Prime Minister
investigated and prosecuted but you know as well as I that would never
happen here and we don't grow bananas either N'esy Pas?
Rosemary Hughes "If we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so." Pretty much says it all.
David Amos Reply
to @Rosemary Hughes: Methinks everybody know that Mueller is an
incredibly sneaky lawyer That is why he was hired to fix things N'esy
Pas?
Ralph
Smyth 'Insufficient
evidence' to indict on CONSPIRACY, not talking point 'collusion', but
there's still evidence that a conspiracy did take place.
"If the president DID NOT COMMIT A CRIME we would have said so." Doesn't
get more explicit that that, that there was IN FACT multiple
instances/evidence of obstruction.
Also he basically said the only thing which prevented him from indicting
'sitting' POTUS was long standing DoJ policy, that old 'not written
law' memo, that it's now up to congress to 'do it's job', of which he
served them up a roadmap on a silver platter.
David Amos
Reply to @Ralph
Smyth: Methinks there are many heads on that "silver platter" Hence Big
Bad Billy Barr's task is to make certain Mr Mueller and his corrupt
buddies go away and clam up ASAP N'esy Pas?
Darren Jones The
key take-away is that they didn't charge Trump with a crime because it's
policy not to indict sitting presidents - which Mueller described in
the press conference as "unconstitutional", but nevertheless, he said he
had to abide by his direction. So as long as Trump and his henchman
Barr control the justice department, there cannot be justice done on the
obstruction investigation - unless the US Congress acts.
Personally, I don't see how any right-wingers are still standing behind
Trump. If it's his supposed economic policies, I mean - forgetting for a
moment that they were a short term gain for long term BIG loss, the
American right-wing could probably find a candidate with the same views
who isn't a total dumpster fire.
David Amos Reply
to @Darren Jones: Methinks whereas you brought up the topic of
dumpsters shouldn't the Trumpster and his lawyers ask Mr Mueller about
all the wiretap tapes found in a dumpster behind the FBI office in
Beantown when they told Whitey Bulger to get lost N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others YO Zoe Methinks if any one Trump's lawyers knew how to read
page 2 of this old file they would have easily seen that I proved long
ago that Mueller and I are far from done with our spit and chew N'esy
Pas?
Charging Donald Trump with crime wasn't an option, Robert Mueller says
Things were OK until 1489 Comments Then a lot of comments were deleted along with the thread that my post was within so I waited until the last hour and posted a lot of comments as per my MO
Zoe Mitchell Kudos
- well done - Trumpers are as usual spinning like a new machine....or
don't even comprehend what just happened. There is only ONE conclusion
after watching Mueller on TV just now - HE COULD NOT INDICITE A SITTING
PRESIDENT. Get that through your empty noggins.
David Amos Reply
to @Zoe Mitchell: Methinks if any one Trump's lawyers knew how to read
page 2 of this old file they would have easily seen that I proved long
ago that Mueller and I are far from done with our spit and chew N'esy
Pas?
Charging Donald Trump with crime wasn't an option, Robert Mueller says
Mueller, who delivered his report in March, doesn't take questions from reporters
CBC News ·
Robert
Mueller last month in Washington: House Democrats are trying to get the
former FBI director, who oversaw the special counsel probe, to testify. (Cliff Owen/Associated Press)
Special counsel Robert Mueller said Wednesday charging the
president of the United States with a crime was not an option his office
could consider, given existing Justice Department guidelines that a
sitting president cannot be indicted.
Mueller told a news
conference he was speaking to the report as his time in the Justice
Department would come to a close imminently and he would return to
private life.
House Democrats have tried to arrange, so far
without success, for Mueller to testify publicly. Mueller indicated that
he was not open to testifying beyond what was said in the report and
his statement.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. EARLIER STORY BELOW
Special
counsel Robert Mueller is making his first public statement with
respect to his nearly two-year long Russia investigation later this
morning.
Mueller, a former FBI director, hasn't commented publicly
since being appointed special counsel in May 2017 to investigate "any
links and/or co-ordination between the Russian government and
individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."
Since
Mueller delivered his report in late March, it has been the subject of
partisan dispute in Congress and at the White House.
President Donald Trump has claimed the report exonerates him and his campaign team of "collusion."
Mueller's report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction of justice charges.
In an upcoming book, Siege: Trump Under Fire,
controversial author Michael Wolf has claimed Mueller's team drew up a
three-page obstruction indictment for Trump but decided not to pursue
it.
Wolff has cited documents he's seen, but a Mueller spokesperson,
Peter Carr, told the Guardian newspaper on Wednesday that the documents
as Wolff described "do not exist."
Mueller's
report concluded that for the purposes of a successful criminal
prosecution, it could not be established that Trump campaign associates
conspired with Russian officials to sway the election.
With
respect to a controversial June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in New York
attended by Russian individuals promising dirt on Hillary Clinton as
well as Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and Trump son-in-law Jared
Kushner, Mueller said "the government would unlikely be able to prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that the … meeting participants had general
knowledge that their conduct was unlawful."
Attempts by Trump
associates to lie about the meeting once it was publicly reported "may
reflect an intention to avoid political consequences rather than any
prior knowledge of illegality," he wrote.
Front Burner
Why the Mueller report doesn't exonerate Trump for obstruction
00:0023:03
The Mueller Report
identified a series of episodes involving Trump that the special counsel
considered potential obstructions of justice. But Robert Mueller chose
to not charge Trump with a crime. CBC's Washington correspondent Keith
Boag walks us through the long-anticipated report. 23:03
As
well, Mueller said it wasn't clear that the thing of value that was
being offered to the Trump campaign rose to the level that made it a
contravention of federal election law.
The report did say that members of the campaign "deleted relevant communications" that hindered the investigation.
As
well, several Trump associates have been ensnared as a result of the
investigation or ancillary probes, including former campaign manager
Paul Manafort, Manafort's second-hand Rick Gates, former Trump personal
attorney Michael Cohen, and low-level foreign policy advisers Carter
Page and George Papadopoulos. They were charged with various offences,
with Manafort and Cohen currently in prison.
Attorney general criticized
Former
Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty to
lying to the FBI, is said to have co-operated with the Mueller team. A
federal judge has set a Friday deadline for the Justice Department to
make public unredacted portions of the Mueller report that pertain to
Flynn, plus transcripts of Flynn's calls with former Russian ambassador
Sergey Kislyak, and of a voicemail during which someone connected to
Trump referenced Flynn's co-operation.
Dozens of Russian
individuals and entities were also indicted in Mueller's probe, most
related for intrusions of Democratic and Clinton campaign computer
systems and for online and social media efforts to sow discord in the
U.S. election. The report concluded those efforts largely favoured the
Trump campaign over Clinton.
Many
Democrats have slammed Attorney General William Barr, believing he has
been acting more in President Donald Trump's interest than that of the
nation. (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)
Democrats
in Congress and a lone House Republican, Justin Amash of Michigan, have
heavily criticized Trump's attorney general William Barr for a
four-page summary he delivered on Mueller's report as well as for the
number of redactions in the report.
Mueller, for his part,
privately complained to Barr in a letter that the attorney general's
summary did not adequately capture the investigation's findings. Barr
has called Mueller's letter "snitty."
Ultimately, the special counsel “recogniz[ed] that the President would not be interviewed voluntarily” and chose not to subpoena him because of concerns that the resulting “potentially lengthy constitutional litigation” would delay completion of the investigation.
Barr has so far successfully used his position to sell the president’s false narrative to the American people. This will continue if those who have read the report do not start pushing back on his misrepresentations and share the truth.
The House Democrats have tried to arrange, so far without success, for Mueller to testify publicly.
While
Trump first praised Mueller after Barr's summary was released, the
president has more recently returned to a recurring theme, alleging
without evidence that the Mueller team was a collection of "angry
Democrats," with the origins of the Russia probe characterized by
political bias.
Barr, currently travelling, was not present at Mueller's appearance.
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