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Methinks greedy lawyers drag out such things in order to keep on milking the matter for all it was worth in legal fees N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/norman-was-told-by-harper-cabinet-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-supply-ship-davie-harper-mackay-1.5134548
Norman was told by Harper cabinet to talk to Quebec shipyard about leasing deal
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TWO TOP threads went missing before I could save them
Cap Harlock
You can't save the Liberals this time CBC!
David Amos
Reply to @Cap Harlock: Yes they can Peter MacKay answered my lawsuit before polling day 2015 and everybody knows it
David Amos
Reply to @Cap Harlock: Gee I wonder where two of the top threads went already
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @david mccaig: "Appears the cons were behind all of this all along."
And yet Mr. MacKay is happy to speak publicly about this. And The Admiral and his legal team said nothing about a lack of cooperation from former Conservative minister and took strips off the Liberals. Seems rather odd, don't you think. Well, if you're a Trudeau supporter.
And yet Mr. MacKay is happy to speak publicly about this. And The Admiral and his legal team said nothing about a lack of cooperation from former Conservative minister and took strips off the Liberals. Seems rather odd, don't you think. Well, if you're a Trudeau supporter.
David Mccaig
Reply to @David Amos:
David you and I know this happens all the time.
David you and I know this happens all the time.
David Mccaig
Reply to @David Amos:
Missing top comments, thats not at all thats been added or taken.
Matt Thuaii
Reply to @Cap Harlock:
Why is it that all these “Liberal scandals” seem to have greasy Conservative finger prints all over them? And all these “right honourable” Conservatives are just now coming out of the woodwork to “do the right thing” in the run up to an election? Care to try and answer that question? Let me guess: that’s a deflection and it’s all the Liberals fault.
Am I close?
Reply to @Arlond Lynds: "Since he obviously knew who told him to do this, and could have told the RCMP"
Who says he didn't tell them? You have no idea what statements Norman made to the RCMP. And I see no basis for suggesting someone told Norman to withhold the fact that he was authorized to speak with Davie. Frankly, if someone tried to give that direction, why would he honour it at this cost to himself and his family? Because a former government told him to? That make no sense.
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: "Am I close?"
Methinks you are close but no cigar because you wish to forget who picked a fight with Admiral Norman out of the gate N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Jamie Gillis: Methinks nothing makes sense particularly the actions of the RCMP and Norman''s lawyers N'esy Pas?
Bob Gillies
Trudeau targeted Norman because Norman worked with the conservative government to provide an essential need to the navy.
Trudeau is vindictive towards anybody who worked with the previous government ….no matter how just the cause.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Bob Gillies:
Another outright mistruth. The Cons fire everyone in sight when they assume power federally or provincially. The Libs play the cards they're dealt, leaving even the Con-appointed CBC board members to serve out their terms.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks its interesting that you are permitted to post such things as you reappear in another thread N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks you must recall my reply to you earlier and how it still holds true N'esy Pas?
Bob Gillies
Both Trudeau and the RCMP need to be investigated here. Norman deserves nothing less than a fully transparent, INDEPENDENT and 'thorough"investigation into what really happened......from beginning to end.
Arlond Lynds
Reply to @Bob Gillies:
Wrong PM, Harper and the RCMP or maybe just Harper.
David Amos
Missing top comments, thats not at all thats been added or taken.
Matt Thuaii
Reply to @Cap Harlock:
Why is it that all these “Liberal scandals” seem to have greasy Conservative finger prints all over them? And all these “right honourable” Conservatives are just now coming out of the woodwork to “do the right thing” in the run up to an election? Care to try and answer that question? Let me guess: that’s a deflection and it’s all the Liberals fault.
Am I close?
Reply to @Arlond Lynds: "Since he obviously knew who told him to do this, and could have told the RCMP"
Who says he didn't tell them? You have no idea what statements Norman made to the RCMP. And I see no basis for suggesting someone told Norman to withhold the fact that he was authorized to speak with Davie. Frankly, if someone tried to give that direction, why would he honour it at this cost to himself and his family? Because a former government told him to? That make no sense.
David Amos
Reply to @Matt Thuaii: "Am I close?"
Methinks you are close but no cigar because you wish to forget who picked a fight with Admiral Norman out of the gate N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Jamie Gillis: Methinks nothing makes sense particularly the actions of the RCMP and Norman''s lawyers N'esy Pas?
Bob Gillies
Trudeau targeted Norman because Norman worked with the conservative government to provide an essential need to the navy.
Trudeau is vindictive towards anybody who worked with the previous government ….no matter how just the cause.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Bob Gillies:
Another outright mistruth. The Cons fire everyone in sight when they assume power federally or provincially. The Libs play the cards they're dealt, leaving even the Con-appointed CBC board members to serve out their terms.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks its interesting that you are permitted to post such things as you reappear in another thread N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks you must recall my reply to you earlier and how it still holds true N'esy Pas?
Bob Gillies
Both Trudeau and the RCMP need to be investigated here. Norman deserves nothing less than a fully transparent, INDEPENDENT and 'thorough"investigation into what really happened......from beginning to end.
Arlond Lynds
Reply to @Bob Gillies:
Wrong PM, Harper and the RCMP or maybe just Harper.
David Amos
Reply to @Arlond
Lynds: Methinks the RCMP, the media and all the politicians should be
investigated ASAP but you know as well I that will never happen N'esy
Pas?
Reul
Boivin
McKay
was on Question Period yesterday and said he talked extensively with
Norman's lawyer over a year ago. The liberals were withholding
information that cleared Norman.Terrible stuff.
Mark (Junkman) George
Reply to @Reul Boivin:
Just more "honest and transparent" government. Thanks JT for showing us how its done.
Just more "honest and transparent" government. Thanks JT for showing us how its done.
Bill Dixon
Reply to @Reul
Boivin: Did he say whether or not he'd volunteered that information to
the prosecution? Because if he hadn't, why not? Why, as a former
Minister of Justice, just stand by and watch this train wreck chug down
the tracks?
My bet is that the Conservatives selectively provided the information to the defence, in hopes that eventually it would all blow up in the face of the Liberals. No mind how much time, money, and resources at Justice Canada were wasted.
My bet is that the Conservatives selectively provided the information to the defence, in hopes that eventually it would all blow up in the face of the Liberals. No mind how much time, money, and resources at Justice Canada were wasted.
David Amos
Reply to @Reul
Boivin: "McKay was on Question Period yesterday and said he talked
extensively with Norman's lawyer over a year ago"
Ask yourself why she held back for so long
Ask yourself why she held back for so long
Mathieu Fortier
Reply to @David Amos: How is the investigation her responsibility here?
Don Smith
Reply to @Bill Dixon:
I'm wondering why Norman's Defence team didn't disclose this last year before he was formally removed from his post. Hell! Why didn't Norman??
I'm wondering why Norman's Defence team didn't disclose this last year before he was formally removed from his post. Hell! Why didn't Norman??
Phil K'Mee
Reply to @David Amos:
Because smart defence lawyers do not reveal their ace in the hole until the time of maximum effect; like, say, right after the government team of lawyers is giving their carefully rehearsed version of events.
Because smart defence lawyers do not reveal their ace in the hole until the time of maximum effect; like, say, right after the government team of lawyers is giving their carefully rehearsed version of events.
David Amos
Reply to @Mathieu Fortier: There was nothing for her to investigate She already knew the truth because MacKay told her
David Amos
Reply to @Phil K'Mee:
Methinks greedy lawyers do such things in order to keep on milking the
matter for all it was worth in legal fees N'esy Pas?
Lindsay Stephenson
Reply to @David Amos: "Ask yourself why she held back for so long"... she didn't. She was seeking the documents to back up McKay's story. Geez. The deflection in the comments section excusing Justin and blaming a previous government, who does not have access to those documents anymore is telling.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Reul Boivin:
What is terrible is the number of upvotes you get when you spread unsubstantiated claims.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
But his claims aren't unsubstantiated. We heard it from Marie Henein directly. I know seeing Nanos report the Liberals below 30 points in the polls and 6 behind the Cons today must be rough on you, but do please try to stick to the facts.
Arlond Lynds
Colby Nug
I still wanna know what the Michael Wernick memo that was redacted with a paint roller said. This smells of political interference and it'll stink worse when the liberals shut down the committee looking into this fiasco.
Peter Boone
Reply to @Colby Nug: You can bet at some point it said the PM "is in one of those moods".
David Amos
STAN FEHR
Liberals knew damn well Norman had permission from the conservatives. This was just an attempt to punish Norman.
Arlond Lynds
Reply to @STAN FEHR:
That is not what the RCMP say nor Norman's lawyers.
David Amos
David Amos
Reply to @jp white: Methinks that is because everybody loves a circus N'esy Pas?
Lindsay Stephenson
Reply to @David Amos: "Ask yourself why she held back for so long"... she didn't. She was seeking the documents to back up McKay's story. Geez. The deflection in the comments section excusing Justin and blaming a previous government, who does not have access to those documents anymore is telling.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Reul Boivin:
What is terrible is the number of upvotes you get when you spread unsubstantiated claims.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
But his claims aren't unsubstantiated. We heard it from Marie Henein directly. I know seeing Nanos report the Liberals below 30 points in the polls and 6 behind the Cons today must be rough on you, but do please try to stick to the facts.
Arlond Lynds
Reply to @Reul Boivin:
Really, sure sounds like Norman's lawyers have explaining to do to the Canadian public, not to mention Harper and his cabal.
Really, sure sounds like Norman's lawyers have explaining to do to the Canadian public, not to mention Harper and his cabal.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: "What is terrible is the number of upvotes you get when you spread unsubstantiated claims."
Methinks the same can be said of you N'esy Pas?
Methinks the same can be said of you N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Arlond
Lynds: "Really, sure sounds like Norman's lawyers have explaining to do
to the Canadian public, not to mention Harper and his caba"
Methinks they are not alone N'esy Pas?
Methinks they are not alone N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Lindsay
Stephenson: Methinks you have not idea when I first contacted the lady
lawyers about Norman and his cohorts do you? However anyone can Google
my name and that of Norman's N'esy Pas?
Colby Nug
I still wanna know what the Michael Wernick memo that was redacted with a paint roller said. This smells of political interference and it'll stink worse when the liberals shut down the committee looking into this fiasco.
Peter Boone
Reply to @Colby Nug: You can bet at some point it said the PM "is in one of those moods".
David Amos
Reply to @Peter Boone: Methinks his moods are worse lately N'esy Pas?
STAN FEHR
Liberals knew damn well Norman had permission from the conservatives. This was just an attempt to punish Norman.
Arlond Lynds
Reply to @STAN FEHR:
That is not what the RCMP say nor Norman's lawyers.
David Amos
Reply to @Arlond Lynds: Methinks the RCMP ain't saying much at all N'esy Pas?
Neil Gregory
The more I read about this mess, the more I am convinced that admiral Norman was being scapegoated by Trudeau's PMO.
David Amos
Reply
to @Neil Gregory: Methinks Norman IS merely a pawn in a wicked
political game and it is the RCMP and the prosecutors who should be
held accountable for coring everything up N'esy Pas?
Cheryl Webster
Can't the liberals do anything right?
They even messed this up.
Had the Liberals just left this alone, it would have been fine.
They even messed this up.
Had the Liberals just left this alone, it would have been fine.
David Amos
Reply to @Cheryl Webster: "Can't the liberals do anything right?"
Methinks the same question should be asked of your beloved Conservatives too N'esy Pas?
Methinks the same question should be asked of your beloved Conservatives too N'esy Pas?
Bob Gillies
Strange.…..Trudeau
supporters try and claim the information was "hidden" when in fact the
information was provided a year ago and presented in court.
But Trudeau fans never question why neither the RCMP nor the PCO never questioned the former CPC cabinet misters to ascertain the truth.
Apparently to Trudeau supporters...the truth is best left uncovered.
But Trudeau fans never question why neither the RCMP nor the PCO never questioned the former CPC cabinet misters to ascertain the truth.
Apparently to Trudeau supporters...the truth is best left uncovered.
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Gillies: Methinks you should check my work if you truly cared N'esy Pas?
Jp White
But yetl Canadian Liberals are still more concerned about Trumps tax returns from 1986....
Reply to @jp white: Methinks that is because everybody loves a circus N'esy Pas?
Norman was told by Harper cabinet to talk to Quebec shipyard about leasing deal
'Mark Norman was acting ... with cabinet authority,' says ex-defence minister Peter MacKay
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman not only had
the blessing of the former Conservative cabinet to deal with a Quebec
shipyard, he was authorized to speak with it directly in the run-up to
the signing of a $668 million leasing contract, CBC News has learned.
The revelation raises further questions about the handling of the RCMP's investigation into allegations the military's former second-in-command leaked sensitive cabinet information about the contract.
It also peels back the curtain on some of the thinking that may have gone into the Crown's decision to stay the single breach-of-trust charge against Norman, who at one time commanded the Royal Canadian Navy.
"Mark Norman was acting within his authority and with cabinet authority," Peter MacKay, who held both the justice and defence portfolios under then-prime minister Stephen Harper, told CBC News.
"Having taken the decision that we did via cabinet committee, and therefore giving Mark Norman the green light to proceed, he would have had [the] authority to speak to the Davie shipyard."
Former federal defence minister Peter MacKay: "Yes, (Mark Norman) was very often speaking to Davie shipyard." (CBC)
The
vast majority of the 12 alleged leaks of cabinet information that were
the focus of Norman's court case took place under the former
Conservative government, which scrambled in the run-up to the 2015
election to secure a temporary supply ship for the navy over the
opposition of some parts of the public service and the military.
It isn't clear whether the Mounties or the Crown knew before laying the breach-of-trust charge that Norman had clear marching orders from the Harper government.
That information would have been contained in a pile of Conservative-era cabinet documents that the current Liberal government fought to keep secret.
"The RCMP didn't have it, and didn't look for it," said Norman's lawyer Marie Henein last week at a news conference after the Crown stayed the charge against her client.
"I don't think they were suppressing anything. I think the full picture of how these very complicated contracts are negotiated, and what the life of this particular contract was ... It was far more complicated, far more sophisticated and was not completely looked at."
The RCMP last week defended the thoroughness of its investigation. When contacted by CBC News on Monday about the latest information, the federal police force declined to comment.
"We are not in a position to provide further comments on the matter," said the unsigned email statement from the RCMP.
In the Commons on Monday, Justice Minister David Lametti turned aside opposition attacks and persistent allegations of political interference in the case by expressing "full faith in our institutions," including the Mounties.
"The charges in question were laid by the [director of public prosecutions]," he said. "The process was managed by the DPP and the stay was decided by the prosecution service. Evidence was gathered by the RCMP, turned over to the prosecution. DPP and prosecutor have both stated there was no government interference or contact."
The case against Norman, who was relieved last year as the vice chief of the defence staff, came apart last week when the Crown said it did not have a reasonable chance of conviction based upon new information submitted in a brief by the defence team.
The lead prosecutor refused to say what that information was, conceding it was new evidence that the prosecution had not seen before.
Since then, three former Conservative cabinet ministers have acknowledged they gave interviews to Norman's lawyers, providing details and context regarding was going on when the Harper government approved the lease of the MV Asterix from the Davie shipyard in Levis, Que.
The
leasing plan was opposed by federal shipbuilding and defence
bureaucrats, who wanted to either compete the lease proposal with other
shipyards or wait and force the navy to make do until the eventual
delivery of permanent supply ships, expected some time in the 2020s.
The Harper cabinet decided to do an end-run around those opposed to the short-term lease — including the former chief of the defence staff, the now-retired Gen. Tom Lawson.
MacKay said Norman "had a unique and important role to play in this procurement, which was made on an emergency basis."
He said Norman acted as so-called "super project manager" tasked with delivering the lease deal.
"Cabinet would have given Mark Norman and the defence department the authority to move forward on this procurement. So, yes, he was very often speaking to Davie shipyard," MacKay said.
The revelation raises further questions about the handling of the RCMP's investigation into allegations the military's former second-in-command leaked sensitive cabinet information about the contract.
It also peels back the curtain on some of the thinking that may have gone into the Crown's decision to stay the single breach-of-trust charge against Norman, who at one time commanded the Royal Canadian Navy.
"Mark Norman was acting within his authority and with cabinet authority," Peter MacKay, who held both the justice and defence portfolios under then-prime minister Stephen Harper, told CBC News.
"Having taken the decision that we did via cabinet committee, and therefore giving Mark Norman the green light to proceed, he would have had [the] authority to speak to the Davie shipyard."
It isn't clear whether the Mounties or the Crown knew before laying the breach-of-trust charge that Norman had clear marching orders from the Harper government.
That information would have been contained in a pile of Conservative-era cabinet documents that the current Liberal government fought to keep secret.
"The RCMP didn't have it, and didn't look for it," said Norman's lawyer Marie Henein last week at a news conference after the Crown stayed the charge against her client.
"I don't think they were suppressing anything. I think the full picture of how these very complicated contracts are negotiated, and what the life of this particular contract was ... It was far more complicated, far more sophisticated and was not completely looked at."
The RCMP last week defended the thoroughness of its investigation. When contacted by CBC News on Monday about the latest information, the federal police force declined to comment.
"We are not in a position to provide further comments on the matter," said the unsigned email statement from the RCMP.
'Full faith in our institutions'
In the Commons on Monday, Justice Minister David Lametti turned aside opposition attacks and persistent allegations of political interference in the case by expressing "full faith in our institutions," including the Mounties.
"The charges in question were laid by the [director of public prosecutions]," he said. "The process was managed by the DPP and the stay was decided by the prosecution service. Evidence was gathered by the RCMP, turned over to the prosecution. DPP and prosecutor have both stated there was no government interference or contact."
The case against Norman, who was relieved last year as the vice chief of the defence staff, came apart last week when the Crown said it did not have a reasonable chance of conviction based upon new information submitted in a brief by the defence team.
The lead prosecutor refused to say what that information was, conceding it was new evidence that the prosecution had not seen before.
Since then, three former Conservative cabinet ministers have acknowledged they gave interviews to Norman's lawyers, providing details and context regarding was going on when the Harper government approved the lease of the MV Asterix from the Davie shipyard in Levis, Que.
The Harper cabinet decided to do an end-run around those opposed to the short-term lease — including the former chief of the defence staff, the now-retired Gen. Tom Lawson.
MacKay said Norman "had a unique and important role to play in this procurement, which was made on an emergency basis."
He said Norman acted as so-called "super project manager" tasked with delivering the lease deal.
"Cabinet would have given Mark Norman and the defence department the authority to move forward on this procurement. So, yes, he was very often speaking to Davie shipyard," MacKay said.
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