David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@Kathryn98967631 and 48 others Methinks
many would agree that Trudeau exposed himself and the questionable
ladies were clever enough not to continue going along with the obvious
nonsense N'esy Pas?
Wilson-Raybould, Philpott to seek re-election as Independent MPs
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Ernest Paschee: Content disabled Jody is going to dig a really deep hole
Admiral Norman is going to push Justin into that hole
Canadians are going to roll a really big rock over the top of it
Roger Armbruster Content disabled Reply to @ernest paschee: It now appears ever more likely that this is exactly what could happen.
David Amos Content disabled Reply to @Roger Armbruster: I agree
Richard Sharp Content disabled Reply to @ernest paschee:
Dream on. Neither will win their seat and they will be gone.
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks it would not be wise to bet the farm on your opinion N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig Content disabled no one with a shred of decency is a Liberal with the arrogant adolescent elitist as leader.
David Amos Content disabled Reply to @donald craig: Methinks the same can be said of all political parties N'esy Pas?
Donald Craig
Content disabled Reply to @David Amos: what was said that applies to all parties?
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @donald craig: You brought up the issue about the severe lack of decency Correct?
Bob Lashram The campaigns in their ridings will be very interesting...Especially the oppossing liberal candidates and their rhetoric...
David Amos
Reply to @Bob Lashram: I agree
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Bob Lashram:
Read the rhetoric in there two's statements today. Equating the Libs
with the Cons, guilty of all kinds of sins, not ONE of which was
substantiated.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp Cry me a river
Daryl McBride These 2 ladies exposed Trudeau’s Liberal brand for what it really is. Now Canadians can vote appropriately in October.
Christian Jane Reply to @Daryl McBride: Unfortunately, we don't all live in their two ridings.
And we already know what Scheer's Conservative brand is.
David Amos Reply
to @Daryl McBride: Methinks many would agree that Trudeau exposed
himself and the questionable ladies were clever enough not to continue
going along with the obvious nonsense N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @Christian Jane: "Unfortunately, we don't all live in their two ridings."
Methinks Mr Scheer and his other political party cohorts are well aware
of an Independent that has been known to run in Fundy Royal N'esy Pas?
Pete Gingras Having
these two ladies taking seats away from the Liberals is good for
Canada. Both will be strong candidates in their respective
consituencies. JWR is a shoe-in in Vancouver-Granville. Having JWR and
JP run independently is the worst possible result for Trudeau and the
Liberals. Had they joined the Greens, they would have been forced to
support the Liberals in a minority situation as Elizabeth May has
already suggested could be the case. Both of these ladies would throw
their credibility out the window in that scenario. This way, they can
pick and choose what they support and oppose. Neither will support the
Liberals as long as Trudeau is leader.
Dwight Williams
Reply to @Pete Gingras:
I doubt Philpott will succeed. Aside from this fiasco she's been too anonymous. But JWR may get by on name recognition.
David Amos
Reply to @Dwight Williams: I disagree
David Allan
Reply to @Pete Gingras:
I'll bet you $1/vote, those two against everyone else in their ridings.
David Allan
Reply to @Dwight Williams:
"I doubt Philpott will succeed. Aside from this fiasco she's been too anonymous. But JWR may get by on name recognition. "
Considering how deeply entrenched parties are in federal politics, who will vote for either of them?
How often does an independent win and in what circumstances? JWR has no
presence beyond the last election. The riding is comprised of several
Lib strongholds. Never voted independent. Similar reality for
Philpott.
Neither are electable and voting for an independent in a federal
election is absurd unless that person has proven themselves to their
constituents through several elections.
They're just living the final chapter of their book deals.
David Amos
Reply to @David Allan: Methinks you write just like a liberal lawyer N'esy Pas?
Mac Lester as long as its not the Trudeau liberals, 2 less seats for them,
Greg Felton Reply to @Mac Lester: 2 fewer
David Amos Reply to @Greg Felton: Methinks the fat lady ain't singing about the election results until October N'esy Pas?
Ken McFarlane JWR
supporters appear fixated on her integrity and sticking to her opinion.
My concern is that her opinions often seemed to be questionable at best,
and she frequently acted with very poor judgement while refusing to
consider others views. No one prevented her from enforcing her
decisions. Making enough bad decisions will get you removed from any
senior position in the public or private sector.
David Amos Reply to @Ken McFarlane: "My concern is that her opinions often seemed to be questionable at best"
Exactly Methinks if the Liberal were as ethical as they claim then would
not have gone against me in Federal Court particularly after I had
encountered two Harper appointed judges by January 11th 2016 N'esy Pas?
David Allan Reply to @Ken McFarlane:
"JWR supporters appear fixated on her integrity and sticking to her opinion."
JWR supporters are the same people who attacked her appointment as part
of Trudeau's politically correct quota cabinet. They're only interested
in the partisan talking points.
David Amos Reply to @David Allan: "They're only interested in the partisan talking points."
Methinks the same can be said of you N'esy Pas?
Paul Howell When the Liberal Party kicks out Justin Trudeau than I can see JWR and JP returning to the Liberal Party.
David Amos Reply to @Paul Howell: Trust that will never happen
Jerry MaGuire Good
for them. The PM fake feminist will be the one who leaves in October.
He does not have the stones to fight on as a trounced party in
opposition. He has neither the courage or skills.
David Amos Reply to @Jerry MaGuire: "He does not have the stones to fight on as a trounced party in
opposition. He has neither the courage or skills"
I agree.
Kevin Delaney Great News. JTs backroom now into hyper drive to discredit. Give it up. JT is the epic fall here.
Kevin Delaney Reply to @Greg Felton
Been laughing at that failed line for months.
David Amos Reply to @Kevin Delaney: Methinks it has been quite a circus that keeps on keeping on N'esy Pas?
Shaun Mousseau Before
it is all over, the Libs, while now throwing shame at these two fine
ladies, will be grovelling for them when/if they assume leaderships
roles in the LIB party when Trudeau is removed sometime after october
when they badly lose in the election. bank on it. Will be amusing to see
Libs reaction then. LOL
David Amos
Reply to @Shaun Mousseau: Dream on
Andy Macphail Not a Liberal fan, but I hope they both lose. Just tired of hearing about this pair.
Aaron Morris Reply to @Andy Macphail:
So you admit the CBC is single-handedly manipulating your vote? Maybe
single-handedly is the wrong word, since it is Canada's largest Liberal
Super PAC.
David Amos
Reply to @Aaron Morris: Good Point
Richard Sharp This
is the biggest non-scandal of the decade, since Gomery, for example.
Nothing but lawful advocacy, and have you noticed? JWR's decision not
to enter into a DPA with SNC-Lavalin STILL stands.
Richard Sharp Reply to @Rick Rheubottom:
They made it worse today. Personal pride and, in the case of JWR, an oversized ego.
John Chow
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
If JWR has an oversized ego, our current PM's ego must have achieved orbit.
David Amos Reply to @John Chow: Well put
Richard SharpToo
bad these two couldn't have acknowledged or apologized for the severe
damage they have done to their former colleagues, the PM and, should the
Conservatives win, the entire country.
Mark Axworthy Reply to @Richard Sharp: You meant to say "severe damage that their former colleagues did to themselves"
Jamie Gillis Reply to @Richard Sharp: "he severe damage they have done to their former colleagues, the PM"
What damage did they personally cause? If Trudeau and his party are the
fortress of integrity that you claim, how could they possible damage
them?
Richard Sharp Reply to @Mark Axworthy:
This is the biggest non-scandal of the decade, since Gomery, for
example. Nothing but lawful advocacy and, btw, JWR's decision not to
enter into a DPA with SNC-Lavalin STILL stands.
Richard Sharp Reply to @Jamie Gillis:
JWR even refused the offer of a legal opinion from the former chief
justice of the Supreme Court. How pig-headed can you possibly get?
David Amos Reply to @Richard Sharp: "How pig-headed can you possibly get? "
Methinks you are being redundant as usual N'esy Pas?
Richard Sharp JWR
even refused the offer of a legal opinion from the former chief justice
of the Supreme Court. How pig-headed can you possibly get?
She further testified that there was nothing unlawful about what Wernick
called 'lawful advocacy." She got to speak her mind and submit
testimony to her heart's content to the INDEPENDENT House ethics
committee.
Functionally independent, just like the Senate, for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.
John Chow
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
Methinks that you are applying a bit of polish to the chain of events
that you speak of, and plucking a few cherries for good measure.
Chuck Morrison
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
Still making stuff eh Richie?
One day you will learn the difference between fibs and the truth.
Lind Fancs
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
What nonsense! She STOPPED Justin and Co. from doing what they wanted to do, which would've been illegal.
OK? How many times do you Justin-fans need this explained??
David Semple
Reply to @Richard Sharp: I really want someone to explain to me how this is supposed to work.
Get the advice of a former chief justice.....because it's a new
law.....which the chief justice also hasn't dealt with yet.....still get
advice because it's a new law.....
AND, the fact that the court refused SNC's appeal of the DPP not
offering them a deal , seems to indicate there was good legal standing
for her decision AND for JWR not to overrule her.
Bob Gillies
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
Why would she ask for another opinion when she had 2500 lawyers at her disposal?
The former chief justice would have laughed at the suggestion she should interfere in the independence of the prosecution.
Rick Rheubottom
Reply to @John Chow:
She had the chance and it did not come off the way she had envisioned.
The recording of the process was the nail that will prevent her reaching
a position of trust again. It is tough when you blackball yourself
especially with her legal knowledge.
Rick Rheubottom
Reply to @Chuck Morrison: So what has he told that you consider to be a non-truth? Not a con-truth.
Rick Rheubottom
Reply to @Lind Fancs: Biased opinions like yours are blinding your judgement.
David Semple
Reply to @Rick
Rheubottom: How did she 'blackball' herself when she didn't do anything
illegal AND the recording pretty much backed up what she said.....and
made Wernick seem very unreliable.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Sharp: "How pig-headed can you possibly get?"
So much so that you ignore your AG when she explains to you that the
DPP's decision is independent and his/her to make alone and no amount of
outside advice to the AG will change that. She spelled it out as clear
as day. "I
can have a conversation with Beverley McLachlin. I can call her right
now. I am just issuing the strongest warning I can possibly issue that
decisions that are made by the independent prosecutor are their
decisions." - JWR to Michael Wernick
Dennis Deschamps
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: ya seen that on C-45 and C-46 the two Wilson's unconstitutional
laws she had no clue and Jane as health minister pesticides and
fungicides on flowering allowed on LP cannabis to sick and dying
Canadians
Dennis Deschamps
Reply to @Chuck Morrison: ya learned it from conservative voters fabrication is their motto
James Alexander
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: Wernick was coaching the then-attorney General of Canada on
Canadian law? Is Wernick a lawyer? Jody is. Why would he be coaching a
lawyer on the law when he's not a lawyer himself? And wasn't he the
guy that was secretly recorded by JWR and the recording didn't match up
with what he said he was saying? Then he resigned for some other
reasons?
Peter Fair
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: Explain all the resignations and the fact that JT, the PMO and
the PC lawyered up. It is going to take a change in government but all
will eventually be known.
Laurie Pringle
Reply to @David Semple: pretty much controlled the conversation, she did, and did did make Wernick seem unreliable.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Laurie Pringle: "pretty much controlled the conversation"
Ah, that argument again. The transcript shows that JWR had only gotten
so much as "Hello Michael, it is Jody...That's ok...Yep" out before
Wernick said "So he is quite determined, quite firm but he wants to know
why the DPA route, which Parliament provided for, isn't being used. And
I think he is gonna find a way to get it done one way or another. So,
he is in that kinda mood and I wanted you to be aware of that." She had no control over that. He wasn't manoeuvred into saying it.
Sherry Wilde
Reply to @Lind Fancs:
ahh she would have never made the final decision on this the final
decision would have been made by the courts you Cons go on believing
everything Scheer feeds you.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: "JWR even refused the offer of a legal opinion from the former
chief justice of the Supreme Court. How pig-headed can you possibly
get?"
Methinks you are fine one to complain of such things N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @John Chow: Methinks you admire the same old bard N'esy Pas?
Wilson-Raybould, Philpott won't run as Greens in fall election
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Jim Cohoon Whatever
they choose to do, I wish them well. They are both competent women who
can make a positive contribution to Canada for many years.
Evan Mulligan
Reply to @Jim Cohoon:
You sure about that?
Remember, JWR was the one that publicly questioned the Gerald Stanley
verdict, which is not the type of behaviour one should expect from an
Attorney-General.
Hans-Joerg Mueller
Reply to @Evan Mulligan:
And JWR was right to question it. Reminds me of the Deep South in the USA.
Evan Mulligan
Reply to @Hans-Joerg Mueller:
No, she wasn't. Part of her job function is to remain unbiased and not interfere with the pursuit of justice.
She did to the court exactly what she accused JT and the PMO of doing: trying to interfere.
That shouldn't sit well with anyone who's interested in justice.
Hans-Joerg Mueller
Reply to @Evan Mulligan:
As I wrote; it reminds me of the Deep South in the USA.
Richard Edmonds
Reply to @Evan
Mulligan: trudeau did the same thing, is that behaviour expected of a
PM. Trudeau told us Norman was going to court even before he was
charged. The Trudeau liberals run new judge appointees through their
donation data base, extra points for liberal lawn signs. Now trudeau is
buying the media, there’s no making this stuff up and it’s happening in
Canada not Cuba.
Evan Mulligan
Reply to @Richard Edmonds:
Show me where I defended JT.
Oh... that's right... you can't, because I never did. You just went off on an ideological rant that was, well, kinda boring.
André Carrel
Reply to @Jim Cohoon:
Yes they could, in many capacities. But not as independent MPs, not
with the way our parliament works (regardless who forms the majority).
Len Boufford
Reply to @Evan Mulligan:
By the way, why hasn't Trudeau called for an investignition into that
leak about Supreme Court nominations by his own Liberal Party?
Chuck Johns
Reply to @Jim Cohoon:
Women who could make mediocre contributions to Canada for many years.
Fixed it for you.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Hans-Joerg Mueller: "As I wrote; it reminds me of the Deep South in the USA."
Methinks you should read the lawsuit I filed when Harper was the PM
(Federal Court File NO. T1557-15) Trust at the time I had never heard
of the lady who would become the next Attorney General to attack me Now
anyone can Google her name and mine N'esy Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Hans-Joerg Mueller: Trust that you would have enjoyed my reply
David Amos Reply to @Chuck Johns: Methinks far too much is fixed without our knowledge or assent N'esy Pas?
David Mccaig Reply to @Jim Cohoon:
Quote "They are both competent women who can make a positive contribution to Canada for many years"
Yes perhaps somewhere in corporate America, where loyalty isn't held in high esteem.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Jim Cohoon:
Can you image if Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott were cons and
had done this to their conservative party, how they would have been
savaged by this comment crowd who are now treating them as heroes.
David Mccaig
Reply to @david mccaig:
Can you image if Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott were cons and
had done this to their conservative party, how they would have been
treated by this comment crowd who are now treating them as heroes.
David Amos
Reply to @david
mccaig: "It hard to argue , debate a comment when in the back of your
mind you're wondering is this person computer generated ."
Yet you post two nearly identical comments in a row within the same thread???
Allen Franks JWR and Philpott rate high in integrity.Trudeau's integrity doesn't register on the dial.
Lotte Riesen Reply
to @Allen Franks: Funny, myself I just thought they were a couple of
mediocrities who were fond of coming across as virtuous.
Chuck
Johns Reply to @Kevin Delaney:
Nonsense. Conservatives and NDP wanted her fired and were screaming that
she was incompetent for months. Charlie Angus asked for her to be
ousted as a Christmas gift.
David Amos Reply
to @Lotte Riesen: Methinks Trudeau and everybody else knows what I
think of the questionable ladies and their "Integrity" by now N'esy
Pas?
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck
Johns: "Nonsense. Conservatives and NDP wanted her fired and were
screaming that she was incompetent for months"
True
David Mccaig Reply to @Allen Franks:
Actually on second thought i'm glad the CBC wrote this piece, it reminds us all without party loyalty we have nothing.
David Amos
Reply to @david
mccaig: Methinks as a Proud Independent candidate within 6 elections
thus far I should point out that there is no mention of the mandates and
concerns of the political parties within our Constitution N'esy Pas?
David Mccaig
Reply to @David Amos:
Quote " Methinks as a Proud Independent candidate within 6 elections thus far "
With respect for your contributions here, out of 6 election tries, you've never won.
David Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: How many times did you run?
David Mccaig Reply to @David Amos:
I don't know , if i were you after 6 tries at getting elected and 6
times going down to defeat, i think i'd try some other vocation. Don't
get me wrong , if i lived in your riding i'd probably vote for you just
for your persistence, from what we've seen from politicians like Doug
Ford and Jason Kenney, you'd most likely be raising the bar of
respectability.
David Amos
Reply to @david
mccaig: Methinks a person should stand up for what he believes in
instead of just spouting off within CBC all day long. Everybody knows I
have run in ridings where usually only Conservatives get elected
Although I have no false illusions of success I do speak my mind. Google
Fundy Royal Debate and try to disagree with what I say and consider
putting you name on a ballot where you live.
David Mccaig Reply
to @David Amos: Quote " Everybody knows I have run in ridings where
usually only Conservatives get elected Although I have no false
illusions of success I do speak my mind. Google Fundy Royal Debate and
try to disagree with what I say and consider putting you name on a
ballot where you live"
Everything you've just said is commendable and i apologize for my
comments if they've offended you. I've been to your website, interesting
and not without merit. I read all your comments and many times agree
with you and show you my support with my vote.
Guy Stone
Reply to @Allen
Franks: as independents, I wish they were in my riding so I can vote for
them... For them to fight Trudeau and completely vandalize themselves
personally for the greater good is unheard of in politics. They are two
very first class people.
David Amos
Reply to @Guy Stone: News Flash
Wilson-Raybould to seek re-election as Independent MP
Reply to @david mccaig: "Everything you've just said is commendable and i apologize for my comments if they've offended you."
Thank you for that. In my humble opinion decent souls apologize in
public. Trust that I don't mind that you disagree with everything I say
as long as I know that you have a conscience and have considered what
you are saying. Perhaps you should read my lawsuit against the Crown in
order to understand why I put my name on the ballots.
Kevin Delaney Liberals
trying every put down in the book to discredit these two. The JT
rah-rah team likes to think they are getting the job done. They are not.
David Amos
Reply to @:Kevin Delaney Methinks that was kinda obvious out of the gate today N'esy Pas?
"Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott will not run as Green Party
candidates in the fall election, CBC News has learned. Sources who spoke
to CBC News on condition they remain anonymous said"
David Allan Reply to @Kevin Delaney:
You just said the Liberals control The Green Party.
David Amos
Reply to @David Allan: Methinks folks in New Brunswick have every right to agree with Mr Delaney N'esy Pas?
David Mccaig
Reply to @Kevin Delaney:
It hard to argue , debate a comment when in the back of your mind you're wondering is this person computer generated .
Kevin Delaney Reply to @david mccaig:
JT discredited himself on this matter. He set it all in motion. JT sunk his own ship.
David Amos
Reply to @Kevin Delaney: "JT sunk his own ship"
YUP.
Paul Coba If
Trudeau had a shred of integrity and resigned like he should, these two
could run under the liberal banner. I certainly wouldn't want to be a
liberal MP with Trudeau as my leader.
David Amos
Reply to @Paul Coba: Dream on
David Allan Reply to @Paul Coba:
The party kicked them out.
Trudeau did not.
It was in all the news.
Media interviewing the caucus as they left the building.
Facts matter.
David Amos Reply to @David Allan: "Facts matter."
Methinks you know as well as I why nobody said a word about Trudeau
appointing the liberal lawyer Anne McClellan to to advise him after this
scandal picked up steam and the PMO was without the physical presence
of Mr Butts N'esy Pas?
Allen Franks Has Trudeau stopped yelling at them?
Pierre Dupuis
Reply to @Allen Franks:
Lisa Rait couldn't stop yelling in the House on JWR on this subject also.
Poor Lisa wanted her to resign yet again...
When a man does that it's called "speaking", is that right?
David Amos
Reply to @Aaron
Morris: Methinks many a boss often hollers in private out of sheer
frustration dealing with the mindless help N'esy Pas?
Mark Axworthy On
behalf of all conservatives, thank you both for systematically
destroying Trudeau's brand from the likes that he will never recover.
David Amos
Reply to @Mark Axworthy: You should
John Chow Reply to @Mark Axworthy:
You should thank PM Trudeau; he has done more damage to his own brand than anyone else possibly could.
David Amos
Reply to @John Chow: I concur
Roger Harlin without JWR, canadians wouldn't have known about the true nature of this government
David Amos
Reply to @roger Harlin: Methinks that most folks already did N'esy Pas?
Sue Kent Run as independents is best for them.. they can pick and choose best policies from either party
David Amos
Reply to @Sue Kent: YUP
Glechren Davies When
I think of how badly Justin Trudeau is doing now and will be kicked out
of the PM's chair, I think of these two brave women who stood up for
themselves.
Chuck
Johns
Reply to @Lorne Matthews:
A manufactured crisis brought to you by the likes of rejected Liberal
candidate Warren Kinsella and let's not forget Fife and the entire
Postmedia.
David Amos
Reply to @Chuck
Johns: Methinks you must thank somebody acting behind the scene for the
very entertaining circus but why not give a big thanks to the two ladies
who were the key players N'esy Pas?
Andrew Smith It would appear that the Liberal staffers that post here are still in the attack mode for these two upstanding women.
When Libs turn on their own it ain't pretty
David Amos
Reply to @Andrew Smith: "When Libs turn on their own it ain't pretty."
Wilson-Raybould, Philpott to announce their political plans Monday
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Ben Smith Content disabled So disgusting how Trudeau and his minions treated these 2 strong women.
Dawn MacNeill
Content disabled
Reply to @Ben Smith: Are you and that Castiglione twin brothers?
Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy)
Content disabled
Reply to @Ben Smith:
CONs never think women being strong is a good thing unless they can score political points.
Dale Prokop
Content disabled
Reply to @Jason Tremblay (JasonDiggy): ummmm....the only woman ever to be PM in Canada? She was a conservative....
Jody Melsom
Content disabled
Reply to @Dale Prokop: She was a fall guy for Mulroney that new he was going to lose the election, appointed, not elected.
Bill Dixon
Content disabled
Reply to @Dale
Prokop: Well... a *progressive" conservative. In today's conservative
parlance, being a "progressive" is pretty much the mark of the devil to a
"real" conservative.
The spectrum of beliefs of today's Conservatives would be unrecognizable to the Old PC Party.
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Jody Melsom: YUP
David Amos
Content disabled
Reply to @Ben Smith:
Methinks only Trudeau and these two ladies know the whole story but
everybody loves the circus the three drama queens have created N'esy
Pas?
Bob Gillies
Content disabled I really don't care which party they choose to run for as long as they run.
Abandoning politics would be letting Trudeau off the hook and he doesn't deserve to be let off.
Bill Dixon
Content disabled Reply to @Bob
Gillies: Leaving politics would also simply reinforce the sort of
corruption that the SNC-Lavalin affair underlines, and that going
against the party line is professional suicide, even that party line
involves sacrificing the independence of criminal prosecutions for the
short-term benefit of the party.
All the Liberal hacks here refuse to admit that this was a serious assault on our democracy and constitution.
David Amos
Content disabled Reply to @Bob Gillies: 'I really don't care which party they choose to run for as long as they run.'
Me Too
David Sampson Please
go away, you are getting truly tiresome. You both once had something to
say and we all wanted to hear it but please, enough, we are tired of
your continuing publicity stint.
Jack Slate
Man
the liberal bots are out in full force today trying to smear these two
women who have done nothing wrong. Yet, where is the investigation into
Trudeau and the liberal like we saw for trump? In the US they hired a
top special prosecutor and 12 other experienced prosecutors. Here in
Canada its been crickets so far.
Robert Lewis
Reply to @Jack Slate:
No one is smearing anyone, the only person who may have broken the law
(secretly tapping a private conversation) was JRW.....
Jack Slate
Reply to @Robert Lewis:
That was not illegal. Trudeau's advisors saying that 'legalities dont
matter' 'its just a harper law so its not important' in addition to
'trudeau made up his mind on this' and even said that " we MUST come to a
solution'.
Any lawyer looking at this knows that this is very questionable
behaviour and certainly warrants an investigation wrt obstruction just
like we saw in the states. It would seriously harm the credibility of
the justice system if nothing was done.
Lloyd Jones
Reply to @David Sampson:
I think two principled, accomplished women who acted out of principle
(one to preserve non-partisan nature of the justice system) rather than
just shutting up and doing what they're told by the PMO likely have a
great deal of sympathy across Canada.
If they have the support within their ridings, I would hope they run as
independents, if nothing else but to show it is possible for MPs to
represent their ridings in Ottawa, not The Party in their ridings. I
would be happy to see them take seats from either the Liberals or the
Conservatives. Wilson-Raybould would not only represent her riding, but
Indigenous Canadians, who could be confident she would speak up for them
and not be gagged by Head Office.
Dawn MacNeill
Reply to @Jack Slate:
Maybe not illegal but really underhanded, sneaky, sly, you name it.
Wouldn't want a friend or co-worker that would do that, would you?
Jenna Collins
Reply to @David
Sampson: Wow!!!!!! The only people that want this to go away are the
Liberals and their supporters. The rest of us don't like it when our
government attempts to interfere in the justice system.
Bill Dixon
Reply to @Dawn MacNeill: "really underhanded, sneaky, sly, you name it"
Okay, so what do you call Trudeau and his minions trying to interfere in the independence of the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin?
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Bill Dixon:
ZERO interference. Never even communicated with Prosecution Services.
JWR was the one who WITHHELD a memo to the privy council clerk
(Wernick), an act of malice.
David Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Cry me a river
Seth Kiraly Reply
to @David Sampson: "Please go away, you are getting truly tiresome. You
once had something to say and we all wanted to hear it but please,
enough, we are tired of your continuing publicity stint."
I agree with what you say, buy try to stay on topic This article is about Wilson-Raybould and Philpott, not Trudeau.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @David
Sampson: "Please go away, you are getting truly tiresome. You both once
had something to say and we all wanted to hear it but please, enough."
I strongly suspect you were never genuinely interested in what either of
them had to say, beyond perhaps being upset that they exposed a bit of
the true nature of the Trudeau PMO.
David E Linkletter
Reply to @David Sampson: Their only have their own interests at heart.
Brett Blaikie
Reply to @David Sampson: base salary MP $167 400
additional amount for Cabinet Minister is $80 100 + car allowance
quite a bit to give up for a "publicity stunt"
Mo Bennett
Reply to @David Sampson: actually, we need all politicians to go away, not just these 2 !!
David Amos
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks we can always rely on your wisdom first thing in the morning N'esy Pas?
Kevin Delaney Reply to @David Sampson: I
find it funny, not tiresome, re the feverish efforts the Liberal Party
is going though to deny the impact of these two most Honorable Members.
Post the collapse of the JT Liberal movement in October these two will,
if they run, be sitting in a good position to receive apologies from
the Party that had to dismiss them in order to back their failed Leader.
David Amos
YO MO Methinks only
Trudeau and these two ladies know the whole story but everybody loves
the circus the three drama queens have created N'esy Pas?
Nancy Van Der Meulen Those two shot just quietly recede into whatever place they came from.
They achieved their purpose which was to destroy the Liberal Party.
Nobody respects backstabbers with their sense of entitlement.
Dawn MacNeill
Reply to @Nancy van der Meulen: Well said!
Ethan Lamb
Reply to @Dawn MacNeill: I don’t agree, grammar seems lacking.
Lloyd Jones
Reply to @Nancy van der Meulen:
Classic partisan reaction.
The PM and at his direction the PMO and PCO and various MPs were caught
trying to influence the Attorney General in favor of a large company who
had previously made significant illegal contributions to the Liberal
party (refunded when caught, of course) and based in a province where
they desperately needed to pick up seats. This
is not much different to Harper's PMO with Nigel Wright quietly
contributing $90k to get Senator Mike Duffy off the hook when he was
caught playing fast and loose with Senate residence allowances.
This kind of stuff has happened since Moses was a boy because it goes on
behind closed doors and Members do what they're told and keep their
mouths shut. Wilson Raybould put Canada before the Liberal Party - which
is the ultimate crime in party politics - disloyalty. So here you are
calling her a "backstabber". I hope Philpott and Wilson-Raybould both
stand as independents and take the seats they previously won for the
Liberal Party.
IMHO both are accomplished, independent minded people who stand a better
chance of doing the right thing for Canada and their constituents than
your typical party franchisee.
Jenna Collins
Reply to @Nancy van der Meulen: Wrong! Whistleblowers deserve our respect.
Reply to @Jenna
Collins: The point missed in this fiasco is that JWB did not follow the
law by refusing to get an opinion on the legality of offering
SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement. Her legal career is 2
years as a junior prosecutor in BC and for the rest of her life was an
aboriginal activist. We don't even know if she ever argued a case in
front of a judge. With her credentials, she should have never been
Attorney General or Minister of Justice.
David E Linkletter
Reply to @Jenna Collins: When whistle blowrs act in the public interest, yes. JWR is only working in her interest.
Brett Blaikie
Reply to @Rick
Poulter: and whose fault is that? the legal "opinion" in question in
fact came from the Director of Public Prosecution. JWR merely backed her
up. Against a powerful and corrupt lot of puppet-masters we all know
exists but seldom get a chance to see (and they still haven't faced any
consequences for bribing government officials in Canada)
Stanley Baird Reply to @Nancy van der Meulen: the only backstabbers are/were in the PMO - a bunch of amateurs and fake feminists.
Mark Thomas
Reply to @Nancy van
der Meulen: They did Canadians an enormous favor by exposing Trudeau for
what he actually is - a traditional, top-down, elitist partisan whose
actions are driven by political interests and calculations more than by
ethical considerations. In other words, he's just like any other
politician. Sunny ways was just glossy advertising.
David Amos
Reply to @David E Linkletter: "JWR is only working in her interest."
Methinks Trudeau and everybody else knows I have no respect for the
former Attorney General whatsoever However in my humble opinion any
whistleblower who does not consider their well being and interests first
is a fool N'esy Pas?
Al Jamison
Their 15 minutes being over......they think they're still in the limelight.....as off of the wall as last year's calendar.
Robert Samson
Reply to @Al Jamison: Says the Liberal boiler room all voting in unison. LOL Is that you Ralph?
Ryan Tulson
Reply to @Al Jamison: disguting
David Amos
Reply to @Al Jamison: Welcome to the Circus that will go on and on until at least October
Ken Likness Reply to @Al Jamison:They seem to getting a LOT more respect than you give them credit for.
Dawn MacNeill Who
cares. Whoever takes them on better keep an eye on them because they
tend to badmouth their party when they don't get their way. Oh yeah and
be careful what you say around you know who .... click.....record. I
lost all respect for both of them because of their egotistical behavior.
David Amos Reply to @Dawn MacNeill: "Who cares."
Methinks other than the political animals nobody does because apathy
rules the day and the Liberals and Conservatives are banking on that
simple fact N'esy Pas?
Dan Chanos They can’t even go their own way separately. And to now say they didn’t collude to embarrass Trudeau?....
Brett Blaikie Reply to @Dan Chanos: there were a lot of chemtrails over Ottawa at the time too, right Dan?
David Amos
Reply to @Brett Blaikie: Methinks you appear to be bitter about something N'esy Pas?
Dennis Deschamps Be very very careful two party wrecking women , looking for party to sabotage .
Bill Dixon Reply to @Dennis Deschamps: I'd vote for anyone who promised to put honesty, integrity, and ethics above party allegiance.
Canadians would be best served if political parties disappeared. As it
is, political parties are first and foremost about their own best
interests, and view power as merely the most direct way to satisfy those
interests.
All that Harper before him and now Trudeau have demonstrated is that the
Liberal and Conservative Parties are corrupted beyond repair.
Jon Smythe Reply
to @Bill Dixon: There is a reason for parties, Bill, in spite of your
"no party" fantasy. It is called working together towards a common goal
rather than trying to herd cats each with their own agenda.
These women showed allegiance to no one but themselves. They were
conniving, two faced backstabbers, and their true deceitful characters
were revealed by their actions (sneaking around giving interviews,
secret tape recording, JWR's demands including interfering with the new
AG). They deserved to be turfed.
David Amos Reply to @Bill Dixon: "Canadians would be best served if political parties disappeared"
I Wholeheartedly Agree Sir
David Amos Reply to @Jon Smythe: "There is a reason for parties, Bill, in spite of your "no party" fantasy."
Methinks everybody knows why I love to debate dudes such as you until
the cows come home Why not seek your party's blessing to run against me
or some other proud Independent in the election of the 43rd Parliament?
Mike McRobie I can't imagine why anyone would care.
Steve Bougerolle Reply to @Mike McRobie: I care because JWR is my MP.
David Amos Reply to @Mike McRobie: "I can't imagine why anyone would care."
Methinks their antics expose the malicious nonsense of it all Hence everyone should care N'esy Pas?
David Amos Reply to @Steve Bougerolle: I care because JWR is my MP.
Methinks you should say Hey to her for me and ask the former Attorney
General why she took Harper and MacKay's side and disputed my words
within Federal Court File No T-1557-15 N'esy Pas?
Mike McRobie Reply to @David Amos: That's pretty poor French.
Gabriel Matte Any firm that has JWR on their staff I wouldn't trust.
Brett
Blaikie Reply
to @Gabriel Matte: it is a curious thing that the top ten "most liked"
comments on this CBC article are essentially clones of the backroom
Liberal strategy - degrade Philpott and Wilson-Raybould reputation.
Considering all we know about both Liberals and manipulation of social
media and Liberal infiltration of the CBC perhaps you clowns are giving
away more than you'd like to admit - which is right in line with your
inept handling of the SNC Lavalin litany of corruption charges.
David Amos
Reply to @Brett
Blaikie: "Considering all we know about both Liberals and manipulation
of social media and Liberal infiltration of the CBC perhaps you clowns
are giving away more than you'd like to admit"
Methinks you must understand why I am wondering about you for similar reasons N'esy Pas?
Bob Claxton I once had very high hopes for Jody. She is such a disappointment.
I really wish she would come to her senses and just get out of politics because she really isn't cut out for it.
Brett
Blaikie
Reply to @Bob Claxton:
it is a curious thing that the top ten "most liked" comments on the CBC
Liberal comment section are anti- Philpott and Wilson-Raybould - well,
not really, not for me - just pointing it out to other users. The sense I
have from reading non-Liberal sources is very much admiration for two
women willing to put their lucrative positions on the line for ethical
reasons. And yet all this "most liked" stuff - where is it coming from?
It would seem to be a concerted effort - whoever could be behind it? A
party that believes greasing the skids for billionaire puppet-masters is
more important than upholding the law? Yes! Perfect fit...
Ivan Nano
Reply to @Brett
Blaikie: lol - You've obviously not been reading the comments on this
site. The Cons. slant is always pumped up with fake accounts.
The fact that critical posts of these two prevails shows they are even less popular than the thumbs up/down suggest.
David Amos
Reply to @Brett
Blaikie: Methinks I should ask if you and the political party you
appear to be working hard for on a weekend believe in upholding the law
N'esy Pas?
Tom Joseph Two sour grapes dropping from the vine...
David Amos Reply
to @Tom Joseph: Methinks they are couple of bitter raisins the Green
Party may pick up and spread some sugar on for the next election just
like it did with the lawyer who was PET's lover and former wannabe
liberal leader who campaigned against a brother of her child N'esy Pas?
Wilson-Raybould, Philpott to seek re-election as Independent MPs
PM kicked MPs from Liberal caucus weeks ago, saying trust was 'irreparably broken'
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MPs Jane Philpott and
Jody Wilson-Raybould announce political plans since being expelled from
the Liberal caucus April 2. Power & Politics host Vassy Kapelos
hosts special coverage beginning at noon ET. 0:00
Former
cabinet ministers Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott will seek
re-election as Independent candidates in the fall election campaign.
The
MPs made their announcements at separate news conferences in their
ridings, nearly two months after being expelled from the Liberal caucus.
In
her Vancouver Granville riding this morning, Wilson-Raybould said
taking a non-partisan approach is the best way to change the way
politics is done in Canada.
She said she decided to seek re-election after hearing encouragement from people in the riding.
"With
your support, I am confident that running as an independent is the best
way to go about it at this time, and the best way to transform our
political culture," she said.
Wilson-Raybould said she will work
with like-minded parties on issues like the environment. She said she
believes the best way to tackle the big issues confronting Canada is
through collective efforts.
"In this reality, there is less room
for overt partisanship in our evolving democracy," she said. "Rising to
these challenges requires Ottawa to operate more openly and
transparently in the spirit of non-partisanship with increased
cooperation."
CBC News Network's Power & Politics has special coverage beginning at noon ET, and CBCNews.ca is carrying it live.
CBC
News had confirmed the politicians, who are now Independent MPs, will
not join the Green Party despite invitations from the party's leader,
Elizabeth May, to seek re-election under the Green banner.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau expelled Wilson-Raybould and Philpott
from the Liberal caucus on April 2, saying trust with the two former
cabinet ministers had been irreparably broken as the government worked
to beat back allegations that officials inappropriately pressured
Wilson-Raybould to intervene in the SNC-Lavalin criminal case.
Soured
relations with the two MPs came to a head when Wilson-Raybould released
a secretly taped audio recording of a conversation she had with Michael
Wernick, who has since retired as clerk of the Privy Council.
Trudeau
delivered news of the expulsions to the national Liberal caucus during
an open, televised meeting, saying the two could not stay on because
they could not express confidence in the caucus.
"The trust that
previously existed between these two individuals and our team has been
broken, whether it's taping conversations without consent, or repeatedly
expressing a lack of confidence in our government or me personally as
leader," he said at the time.
"It's become clear that Ms. Wilson-Raybould and Dr. Philpott can no longer remain part of our Liberal team."
Inappropriate political pressure
The
political saga has been unfolding since Feb. 7, when the Globe and Mail
first reported that Wilson-Raybould felt she had faced inappropriate
political pressure on the SNC-Lavalin criminal prosecution decision.
The
Montreal-based engineering and construction company had been seeking a
remediation agreement to avoid a trial, but Wilson-Raybould had decided
not to overturn the public prosecutor's decision to proceed with
prosecution.
During an inquiry by the Commons justice committee, Wilson-Raybould testified she
faced "veiled threats" and inappropriate pressure by the Prime
Minister's Office and other government officials to change her mind.
After her expulsion, Wilson-Raybould said she had no regrets and "spoke the truth."
'Profoundly disheartening'
"What
I can say is that I hold my head high, and that I can look myself in
the mirror knowing I did what I was required to do and what needed to be
done based on principles and values that must always transcend party,"
she said on Twitter.
Philpott, who was considered one of the most
respected and competent members in Trudeau's cabinet, said the
development was "profoundly disheartening."
"Rather than
acknowledge the obvious — that a range of individuals had
inappropriately attempted to pressure the former attorney general in
relation to a prosecutorial decision — and apologize for what occurred, a
decision was made to attempt to deny the obvious — to attack Jody
Wilson-Raybould's credibility and attempt to blame her," she wrote in a Facebook post after she was kicked out of the Liberal caucus.
Independent
MPs Jane Philpott and Jody Wilson-Raybould, who were both expelled from
the Liberal caucus on April 2, will announce their political futures
during separate news conferences today. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
Jody
Wilson-Raybould, right, and Jane Philpott quit the Liberal cabinet over
the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin affair. They were
subsequently kicked out of the Liberal caucus on April 2. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott will not run as Green Party candidates in the fall election, CBC News has learned.
Sources
who spoke to CBC News on condition they remain anonymous said the two
former cabinet ministers spoke with Green Party Leader Elizabeth May
several times about possibly running for her party.
Wilson-Raybould also attended May's wedding in Victoria at the end of April, stoking rumours that she might jump to the Greens.
Wilson-Raybould currently sits as an independent MP for Vancouver Granvillle and Philpott for Markham-Stouffville.
The
two women quit the Liberal cabinet over the government's handling of
the SNC-Lavalin affair — which went public early in the year after
Wilson-Raybould accused senior officials in Prime Minister Justin
Trudeau's government of pressuring her inappropriately to allow the
Quebec-based engineering firm to avoid a trial on corruption charges.
They were subsequently kicked out of the Liberal caucus on April 2.
Getting
two high-profile ex-Liberals to run for the Greens — especially ones so
closely tied to the biggest political scandal to face the Trudeau
government — would have given May extra horsepower heading into this
election season.
The
Greens have been surging recently. On Monday, May will officially
welcome the party's second MP into the House of Commons. Paul Manly will
be sworn in after winning the recent Nanaimo-Ladysmith byelection in
British Columbia by a comfortable margin.
The Greens also have
seen an uptick in support in recent provincial elections. In P.E.I., the
party took over as the Official Opposition after winning nine seats in
April. Ontario voted in its first Green MPP this year. And in 2017, the
party won three seats in B.C., giving it the balance of power in the
province.
It isn't clear yet if Wilson-Raybould or Philpott will
run as independents. Historically, about one-third of Canadian MPs have
successfully been re-elected as independents after leaving their
parties.
Former
cabinet ministers Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott were expelled
from the Liberal caucus in April. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
Former Liberal cabinet members Jody
Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott say they will make announcements
Monday about their political futures.
The two MPs, who now sit as
independents in the House of Commons, were expelled from the Liberal
caucus in April by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who said that trust
with the two former cabinet ministers had been irreparably "broken."
"It's become clear that Ms. Wilson-Raybould and Dr. Philpott can no longer remain part of our Liberal team," he said.
Philpott
will make the announcement at the Reesor's Farm Market in her Ontario
riding of Markham-Stouffville, while Wilson-Raybould will address the
media in her British Columbia riding of Vancouver Granville.
The political
drama between the two former Liberals and the party began unfolding
Feb. 7, when the Globe and Mail reported that Wilson-Raybould, as
justice minister, had faced inappropriate political pressure to grant
Quebec engineering firm SNC-Lavalin a remediation agreement that would
see it avoid criminal prosecution on fraud and bribery charges providing
the company fulfilled a number of conditions.
Trudeau denied
applying inappropriate pressure on Wilson-Raybould — arguing that he let
her make the final decision, which was to allow the prosecution to go
forward — but he conceded that he tried to convince her to consider the
implications of a conviction.
Should a court convict SNC-Lavalin,
the company would be banned for 10 years from bidding on government
contracts. Trudeau and others in his government argued that could put
some of its 9,000 jobs at risk.
Shuffled out
Wilson-Raybould
told a Commons committee in February that she was shuffled out of her
cabinet post when she refused to do Trudeau's bidding.
When Gerry
Butts, Trudeau's former principal secretary, appeared before the same
committee, he dismissed that allegation, insisting that "the January
cabinet shuffle had nothing whatsoever to do with SNC Lavalin."
He
said that when Scott Brison, the former president of the Treasury Board
and MP for Kings Hants, approached him on Dec. 12, 2018 to say he was
going to leave politics, he tried to dissuade Brison because it would
require a cabinet shuffle "and the prime minister was happy with the
team he had."
"If
Minister Brison had not resigned, Minister Wilson-Raybould would still
be minister of justice today," Butts said. "That is a fact, and facts
are very stubborn things. Cabinet selections are among the most
difficult tasks for any first minister."
Wilson-Raybould
ultimately resigned from cabinet and was later followed by Philpott, who
said she had lost confidence in the Trudeau cabinet and could no longer
sit at the table.
That
recording, and Philpott's statements about her loss of confidence in
the government, were cited by Trudeau as reasons for dropping them from
the Liberal caucus in April.
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May told CBC Radio's The House
earlier this month that she had spoken to both MPs and was waiting to
see if either would run for the Greens in the next federal election.
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