Friday 31 May 2019

MLAs approve symbolic motion siding with nursing home workers

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Replying to and 48 others
Methinks Mr Higgs should recall my emails to him and the CUPE people on the Ides of March N'esy Pas?


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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 18:11:05 -0400
Subject: Perhaps Sharon Teare will listen to me but I am not betting
on it for obvious reasons N'es Pas Mr Higgs?
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Cc: ;david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com;


Sharon Teare - President
506-609-1633
nbcnhu-csfsnb@bellaliant.net



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Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 06:46:05 -0400
Subject: The RCMP, the CBC, Paul Harpelle and David Coon should understand why 
Rick DeSaulniers the PANB union dude's name reminds me of other people 
N'esy Pas Chucky Leblanc?
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Even you must recall Nathalie Des Rosiers of the CCLA and Special
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Charles Leblanc
Published on Oct 23, 2018


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/essential-service-nursing-home-workers-1.5056864

David Coon suggests nursing home workers not fear essential-service designation
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Being deemed essential won't hurt union's bargaining power, Green leader says
Hadeel Ibrahim · CBC News · Posted: Mar 15, 2019 7:00 AM AT

"People's Alliance MLA Rick DeSaulniers said it's "hard not to say"
nursing home workers are essential, but he believes the issue can be
resolved with the proper communication. He said the province dropped
the ball by not being involved in the discussions from the beginning.

"If they don't offer [arbitration] and then they end up getting a
court ruling that says these workers are essential, that just turns a
collective bargaining process into collective begging," DeSaulniers
said"

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Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 02:40:18 -0300
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 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/binding-arbitration-nursing-home-workers-1.5157720



 

MLAs siding with nursing home workers sends strong message to government, union says




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Commenting is now closed for this story. 

 



David Amos
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"It's democracy at its best," said Sharon Teare"

Yea Right

I talked to Madame Teare on March 17th then emailed her and Higgs et al afterwards as promised. I have heard nothing back from any of them. Methinks mindless Minister Dominic Cardy should agree that I don't count with CUPE merely because I don't get enough votes when my name is on a ballot N'esy Pas? 







David Amos
Methinks Mr Higgs should recall my emails to him and the CUPE people on the Ides of March N'esy Pas?







David Amos
Methinks many MLAs arguing binding arbitration instead of assisting in running a government may get a strong message from the electorate in the next election N'esy Pas?
















Johnny Horton
Let’s not forget these sre not civil sergeants, they do not actually work for the government, they work for non profit nursing homes. While those non profit nursing homes receive money per resident from the government, it is not the sole source of revenue for the nursing home.

In fact an argument could be made that government should not be involved at all in these negotiations, the contract is between the union and the non profits,

It’s the non profits obligation alone to go to government and seek more money should they need more per resident to pay their bills.


David Amos

Reply to @Johnny Horton: "The nursing home union has a gold plated pension as well. While almost everyone else has gone to shared risk, they have not "

Hmmm
















James Risdon
A meaningless gesture.

The Conservative government does not have to act on that motion. It's only a show of support by the other political parties - who have nothing to lose and everything to gain with this political posturing - for the nursing home workers' union.

In effect, this is the Liberals, Greens and People's Alliance trying to paint the Conservatives as the bad guys who don't care about nursing home residents and workers. Those political parties know they can do that because they're not the government and so they don't have to be responsible for footing the bill.

I can't say I think very highly of this political grandstanding. I can understand why the union would want this - so that it can gain sympathy from the public through media attention.

But the bottom line is this is a problem between the union and the government and it's up to them to resolve it as they see fit.

Everyone else is just butting in where they don't belong.


David Amos  
Reply to @James Risdon: "Everyone else is just butting in where they don't belong"

FYI I am a senior whom may claim should be filed away in an old folks home and ignored Hence I ain't butting in a matter that concerns me greatly.

Methinks Mr Higgs is well aware about what I have said about old folks homes and their employees since 2004 when he worked for the Irving Clan long before he was ever an MLA. He cannot deny that anyone can Google "Fundy Royal Debate" and listen to what I said when a journalist working for the Irving Clan asked hi buddy Rob Moore and my political foes and I about a "Silver Tsunami" in 2015 N'esy Pas?


James Risdon 
Reply to @David Amos: In this labour dispute, you are the product. As I will soon be.

As the products, our interests are completely different again than those of the government and the union. While our interests may overlap with theirs, any such commonality is purely coincidental. Neither the union nor the government are fighting for our interests, only theirs.

We should not be butting into this labour dispute. It's not our fight.

We should be fighting for what's good for us. Quality care, preferably free, available to all of us. That's our interest.

I fully respect everyone's right to fight for their own interests and, indeed, I expect it. I just don't accept it when other people whose interests do not align with mine pretend they do just so they can use me to bolster their bargaining position.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @James Risdon:

It is OUR dispute. Even as seniors we pay taxes. If the union gets their twenty percent, we will all be paying more to cover it.


David Amos 
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks Mr Higgs and CUPE unstand that I am nobody's "product" I am a stakeholder whose taxes are financing this nonsense.

Methinks the journalist in you knows a well as I why I ran against Higgs and you in the last election and that the everything political is always about the money not your well being or mine N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @David Amos:

And those election results emphatically showed who we will listen to and believe, 
 

David Amos

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Reply to @Johnny Horton: "The nursing home union has a gold plated pension as well. While almost everyone else has gone to shared risk, they have not "

Methinks Mr Higgs knows why I found that comment of yours interesting but it does not follow that I believe it yet N'esy Pas?










David Amos
Methinks its fairly obvious that one cannot put a union in a bad light within this domain because CBC is unionized N'esy Pas?


James Risdon 
Reply to @David Amos: The CBC does tend to lean somewhat to the left in its reporting and is generally more pro-labour than pro-business or pro-government.


David Amos 
Reply to @James Risdon: Go figure how long I have known what I know

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276













Brian Robertson
How did we get to this point where almost everyone works for the government?
Oh yes; the Liberals.
Well it certainly appears to have been a collosal mistake.


David Amos  
Reply to @Brian Robertson: Methinks we are all responsible because we elected them Hence we get the governments we deserve N'esy Pas?















David Stairs
if the government and courts deem the workers to be "Essential Servants" then there should a time frame put into place that would force both sides to an agreement or else it automatically goes to binding arbitration..these workers need to get out of the Union and form an Association and push forward this idea...this is the only way to fix this problem...


Roy Kirk 
Reply to @David Stairs: But govt doesn't accept binding arbitration. It demands the right to tell the arbitrator what the limits are on the settlement, and has set those limits unreasonably low. Having the workers join a different club won't fix that.

Govts have been told, by the SCoC, that either you let workers freely associate and strike (and employers lockout) or you designate them essential and leave the matter to binding arbitration, unfetterred by arbitrary conditions that would make the arbiters decision inherently unfair. Govt tried to finesse the rules by say 90% of the workers are essential, and the remaining 10% only can strike. They may be successful in NB courts, but it's hard to imagine that the SCoC will go along. Govt doesn't care, though, because they know it will take years to get there. 


David Amos  
Reply to @Roy Kirk: "They may be successful in NB courts, but it's hard to imagine that the SCoC will go along. Govt doesn't care, though, because they know it will take years to get there"

BINGO













McKenzie King
The MLAs who are siding with the union are only looking for votes, not doing what is prudent for our province. If the Liberals were concerned about this, they would have settled the issue when it came up under their rule. The government should legislate an end to this, and stop the greed of the union.


David Amos
Reply to @McKenzie King: Methinks a lot of folks wholeheartedly agree with whomever ye may be N'esy Pas?















Josh Smith
How do the CBC moderators let one person spam the comments section of anything regarding this topic? Perhaps I should get a troll account and go by Elvis....


Roy Kirk 
Reply to @Josh Smith: Click on the post's name/icon, and hit "Mute" on the page that pops up. Works wonders on those that put up multiple successive 1 line posts.


Dianne MacPherson 
Reply to @Roy Kirk:
Thanks for that !!! Really. They can become monotonous !!!


David Amos 

Content disabled
Reply to @Josh Smith: I as a real person made a comment about what had transpired between Madame Teare, Mr Higgs and I on March 17th Go figure why the comment was deleted after it had published and read by others


David Amos 
Reply to @Josh Smith: My reply to you was blocked immediately


David Amos 
Reply to @Roy Kirk: "Click on the post's name/icon, and hit "Mute"

Yes the 1 line posts don't amount to much but are easily skipped over. Methinks some of the things the "anonymous" characters reveal can be politically valuable to people who take the time to read them N'esy Pas?


David Amos 

Content disabled
Reply to @Josh Smith: "Perhaps I should get a troll account and go by Elvis.... "

Google me to see that obviously I am a real person









Johnny Horton
What happens when they get the big pay raise and it doesn’t improve recruitment or retention? Just keep asking for more until it does? What if it never does? But just keep payin em more and they’ll keep claiming it will improve retention and recruitment. 



Stephen Robertson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: that is kinda what you call capitalism, are you suggesting a more communist approach? Just let the sovereign set wages and profit or maybe you prefer a feudal country where some have all and 'own' others. The system we have now will never measure up to your expectations, but I'm ok with that


James Risdon
Reply to @Johnny Horton: It's true that the recruitment and retention problem is not necessarily due to pay and benefits. But, of course, that's certainly going to be the position of a union because it sounds better than just saying, "Hey! We want more money just because." It's also true that paying more and offering better benefits might make sense and be fair and reasonable but that a government is going to claim there's not enough money in the kitty because, well, giving the unions a big chunk of the budget and throwing taxpayers' dollars around doesn't look good come election time - especially if it's a Conservative government. Much better, politically, for a Conservative government to fight tooth and nail against wage increases until they are forced to pay more by the opposition parties so that Conservative candidates can go back to their base during the next election and blame the Liberals, Greens, and People's Alliance for the provincial deficit. The positions taken by both parties in this labour dispute are to be expected based on their self-interest.



Johnny Horton
Reply to @James Risdon:

You post might mean something if the Libs hadn’t refused for over two years to give a better offer. 


Johnny Horton
Reply to @Stephen Robertson:

Unions are communist. It removes the individuals right to work for their true value, instead shoving to be part of the collective and do whst every one else does.

But that wasn’t my point,

My point was, that perhaps the retention issue won’t be solved by more money and thst perhaps instead of more salary we need to look st other methods of recruitment, 


David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: "Much better, politically, for a Conservative government to fight tooth and nail against wage increases until they are forced to pay more by the opposition parties so that Conservative candidates can go back to their base during the next election and blame the Liberals, Greens, and People's Alliance for the provincial deficit."

Methinks every political animal in province knows that N'esy Pas?













Johnny Horton
Over $21 per hour for sn attendant.

Ms Teare, I must congratulate you, seriously, you have done quite well for yourself. You have managed to make over $21 an hour, have a defined pension, and probably have a few months banked sick days after twenty years. As you have done the job for twenty years you are c,early grandfathered in and did not require back then formal education to obtain an attendant job.

Life really isn’t so bad, no matter how much you complain.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: then this is the ideal job for you. Why don't you apply ?


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:

Well I already have a job. A degree. Plus I just looked on indeed and can’t find a single opening,


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:

Besides I’d be far more interested in the laundry job. I can pull in almost $20 an hour there. Still get the sticks days, extra week vacation over the legal limit, the gold plated defined pension AND not have to deal with the residents ans all the dangers the union cries about having to do so.

So if I needed a job, that there is the sweet spot,


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks most folks with two clues between their ears would not wish to work at the old folks home you are camped at N'esy Pas? 














Roy Kirk
Perhaps the premier should consider a different model. X% on average across the public service, but a specific percentage for a particular settlement that is inversely proportional to the current wage. Then low paid workers like these get a bigger bump ( more than X%) while the crowd at the high end get much less than X%.


David Amos
Reply to @Roy Kirk: Methinks you should forget trying to teach Higgs math and just kick back and enjoy the circus. Its tent is unfolding just as it should in preparation for a long hot summer for all the political animals to enjoy N'esy Pas?













Lou Bell
Libs spent like " drunken sailors " when they were in power , and now they wanna spend like " drunken sailors " when they're outta power !


David Amos 
Reply to @Lou Bell: Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
















Pierre Cyr
Higgs is an Irving man he will politically die before he taxes the Irvings who have dodged most of their taxes since 1974 in their hideout in Bermuda. Its not average people hes afraid to tax its the billionaires who paid his rich wages and find his party and promise him, Im sure, a comfortable retirement after hes done in politics. For every Premier or Prime Minister or Cabinet Minister theres a 6 or 7 figure a year corporate board or 'consultant' job waiting for them when they are done.


Lou Bell 
Reply to @Pierre Cyr: And what did the Liberal/ SANB do when they were in ?? All kinds of chance to chenge the taxation rules ,BUT DID THEY ?????????????


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Lou Bell: And you, Mr. Bell, have yet to respond to repeated requests (nice requests) to explain how you make the link between the Liberal party and the SANB. So, do you have an explanation or is this just unsubstantiated projection on your part?


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

What was the last English leader of the liberal party?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Frank McKenna, Shawn Graham, now Kevin Vickers!


Marguerite Deschamps 
Who was the last Francophone leader of the CONservative party is the better question.


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "Who was the last Francophone leader of the CONservative party is the better question."

Methinks thats a nobrainer Everybody knows SANB's favourite lawyers Bernie Lord and his law firm partner. Deputy Minister of Justice Yassin Choukri N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "old Lou is sinking into dementia"

Methinks at least you can now take comfort that you are not alone with that problem N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:

That’s not the same question at all. The equal question would be who was the last Anglo society leader of the Cons.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: old Lou is in good company with you.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Johnny Horton: why would you want an Anglo Society leader? Well bless you a ....


Marguerite Deschamps  
Well unless you are a ...


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "Lou is in good company with you."

Methinks "old Lou" and I are not the dude who pretends to be a old woman who forgot Bernie Lord was a Premier N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:

Never said I wanted one, but I don’t want a SaanB leader either. I want a leader that represents ALL New Brunswickers. Something we haven’t had in st least three decades.


Daryl Doucette 
Reply to @Pierre Cyr: bang on















Shawn McShane
The median family wage in New Brunswick is the lowest in Canada. The taxes in New Brunswick are the highest in Canada. New Brunswick has the highest number of Children living in poverty in Canada. How come?  


David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: "How come?"

Politics 














Daryl Doucette
Gottta go with the union on this one. Nursing home workers have one heck of a job, the sights sounds and smells they deal with on a daily basis are very stressful. And don't forget this fact ....some day we all may be being taken care of by them when our children drag us " off to the home"....
 

Shawn McShane
Reply to @daryl doucette: I will lose myself in the forest (if we still have one) with a Texas mickey before my kids drag me away to those homes and I will donate my property to charity if they do. 


David Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Me Too
















David Webb
The previous government neglected to settle this for 2 years and now they think this government should be in a rush. With $2 million per day going to service the debt, just what exactly would they propose to get this under control? Just imagine what that amount of money could buy. Some people just don't get the fact that there comes a time when you can't borrow more, and the consequences that come with it.


David Amos 
Reply to @David Webb: True













Donald Smith
It sure sounds like the workers should be treated better. Case in point, I have a family member who works at a nursing home here in Saint John, some of the homes are so understaffed, my family member will be working an evening 8 hour shift this evening, and an all night 8 hour shift on top of that. Why, because they don't have hardly any extra staff when somebody calls in sick or whatever. And the Hospitals are just as understaffed as the nursing homes, ask a LPN, Nurse or whatever. Government [ no matter which party ) is always so they say hire more staff, but it never seems to happen. Maybe it's time the Government is brought down and we go back to the polls ???


David Amos
Reply to @Donald Smith: Methinks somebody should ask all the folks who work in private owned old folks homes what they think of this spit and chew. Mr Higgs and CUPE cannot deny that they pay taxes on lesser wages that support this nonsense N'esy Pas?













Colin Seeley
The Premier said no to 20% and binding arbitration .

That seems to be the strongest of messages being sent to the unions and the taxpayers of NB.


Daryl Doucette 
Reply to @Colin Seeley: I have a message to the Premier. Tax the Irvings the same as the rest of us and stop dithering over a few bucks an hour to hard working nursing home employees.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Colin Seeley: The Premier, in refusing binding arbitration (without acceptance of (his) conditions), is suggesting that binding arbitration would ultimately cost the taxpayers more money, whereas that scenario is not a foregone conclusion. In the end, the Premier is dismissing the use and the validity of a widely accepted tool used to end impasses between parties.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @daryl doucette:

No you don’t want the icings to pay what you pay in taxes. You want them to fork over more simply because they mske more.


Dianne MacPherson  
Reply to @Colin Seeley:
Works for me !!!!


Dianne MacPherson 
Reply to @daryl doucette:
Taxation is a Canada Revenue issue......call them
with your complaint re Irving !!!


Dianne MacPherson  
Reply to @Josef Blow:
Binding arbitration is a disaster these days.
Just ask any City Mayor dealing with their
Police and Firefighters' Unions for example.
Arbitration needs legislation to make much
needed changes
I do believe it was in the PC Election Platform.


James Risdon 
Reply to @daryl doucette: How much are the Irvings paying in taxes? I know it's a common thing to gripe about the Irvings and the rich and to say they should pay their fair share but, really, how much do you think they should be paying exactly? Throughout North America, the rich generally pay a vastly disproportionately large part of the pie in taxes. If the rich were to only pay the same percentage of their income in taxes as people working for minimum wage or for an average salary, the rich would see their taxes drop substantially. I don't know how much the Irvings pay in taxes. But I do know Canada has a graduated tax scheme that means the rich pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the rest of us. Do you want them to pay less? Do you want them to pay more? How much more exactly?


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @James Risdon:

They want the rich to pay so that the rich end up with the same take home pay as them. All must be equal ya know?


David Amos 
Reply to @Dianne MacPherson: "Taxation is a Canada Revenue issue"

Methinks you overlooked property taxes N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks some folks are wondering why you ran for the KISS Party with questions such as that N'esy Pas?





https://twitter.com/DavidRayAmos/with_replies





Replying to and 48 others
Methinks Mr Higgs is feeling his oats and trusting the polls too much N'esy Pas?


 https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/mlas-approve-symbolic-motion-siding.html





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/higgs-election-nursing-home-workers-1.5157712




Higgs dares opposition to force election over nursing home workers




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David Amos
Methinks Mr Higgs is feeling his oats and trusting the polls too much N'esy Pas?


Dave Burns 
Reply to @David Amos: You really seem to like saying “N’esy Pas”. Maybe one day you’ll realize N’esy is not the right word, or even an actual word.


David Amos 
Reply to @Dave Burns: Methinks its too funny that snobby Anglos wish to correct my Chiac N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @David Amos:

Culture vulture.


David Amos 

Content disabled
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks it beats being called a Con Spin Doctor N'esy Pas?


Josef Blow 
Reply to @David Amos: "N'esy pas" is chiac ? Never heard it before except when you use it on here.


Larry Larson
Reply to @David Amos: It isn't Chiac and you are a joke!












Matt Steele
Higgs knows that he would win a majority if another election were called , and the other three parties know that they would lose seats . Being an MLA is a very good paying job , with a gold plated pension....not many opposition MLAs will risk losing their big pay cheques and pensions over nursing home workers who want a TWENTY PERCENT PAY INCREASE for fairly low level jobs .


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Matt Steele:

The nursing home union has a gold plated pension as well. While almost everyone else has gone to shared risk, they have not


David Amos   
Content disabled
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks that would be a revelation to me and an embarrassment for your hero Higgs if it is in fact true N'esy Pas?










Mark Minor
Please check out my Twitter rant on this subject @CBCNB . Hey, didn't CBC impose a rule that requires to use our real names? Johnny Horton, Josef Blow, John Pokiok ? Gimme a break.








Johnny Horton
Course the liberals had the file for over two years, and plenty of time to have gone to binding arbitration they sre so fond of now.

I smell more stinky hypocrisy.


David Amos  
Content disabled
Reply to @Johnny Horton: "I smell more stinky hypocrisy. "

Me Too Methinks some folks have noticed that its coming from your direction N'esy Pas?











Johnny Horton
Course the union is only screaming for binding arbitration because they think they will win. If they thought they’d lose it never would have been raised by them.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Your opinion makes a lot of sense. Of course. If the union thought it would lose, it would be foolish to propose binding arbitration. But neither the union, nor the government really knows what the decision could be.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Not opinion. Requests by union members over a year ago were rejected by the union and never brought to the full membership for discussion.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Perhaps I should have stated that your "statement" and not your "opinion" makes a lot of sense.


David Amos  
Reply to @Johnny Horton: "I smell a strong stench of hypocrisy, On effectively an anonymous message board"

Me Too


Larry Larson
Reply to @David Amos: Considering his phony posting name.... lmao












Lou Bell
Methinks Higgs realizes the Security Guard would have the shortest leadership of a provincial party on record ! May as well do it now , it'll give the SANB Liberals lots of time to clean up the " smoke and mirrors " they're trying to fool the majority with. Then back to the drawing board with their U de M masters . 


Josef Blow
Reply to @Lou Bell: Mr. Bell, your comments appear to repeat themselves in reaction to many news items. What are you referring to when you talk about the smoke and mirrors ? And what evidence, or argument or even hearsay anecdotes can you advance to support your contention that the SANB somehow controls the Liberal party? I must say as well that referring to Mr. Vickers as "the Security Guard" is not, in my opinion, a very kind and mature way of describing this man.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Yo are the last person that should be criticizing how someone describes a politician.

I smell a strong stench of hypocrisy,


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

On effectively an anonymous message board, I’ll hardly take that effort.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

I’m not here to discuss anything, never was. Neve4 will be, here simply to state facts when peole say otherwise.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: It is too bad that you choose to not present your arguments.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton :Facts: do you, for example, agree with the fact that s. 33 of the Charter cannot be used to avoid the observation of enshrined language rights?


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Lou Bell: What evidence can you provide to prove that the SANB and the Liberals work hand in hand or that the SANB somehow controls the Liberal party?


David Amos
Content disabled 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: " Those who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Yo are the last person that should be criticizing how someone describes a politician.
I smell a strong stench of hypocrisy, On effectively an anonymous message board, I’ll hardly take that effort. "

Methinks you and your fellow spin doctor Mr Blow should take that effort and speak for only for yourselves in your real names . As you well know my name has been on 6 ballots and many lawsuits thus far much to the chagrin of many politicians, lawyers and beancounters. Obviously you anonymous dudes talk the talk in cyberspace while I walk the walk in the real world N'esy Pas?


Larry Larson
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you between the eyes!












Josef Blow 
What planet are we living in? Is this an alternate universe?

On the one hand, we have a Premier who is afraid of binding arbitration, "without conditions", (which is tantamount to cutting negotiations short and limiting the authority of third party tribunal to make what they could find to be a fair decision and, on the other hand, we have a brazen newbie of a politician, Mr. Austin, who has stated publicly that if he were Premier (god forbid!) he would disregard the ruling of a Superior Court Justice and respect the arbitrator's finding which was quashed for having been found unconstitutional …. .

It appears then that we have the province's Premier who advocates dismissing the use of a universally recognized and dedicated means of ending a labour impasse (and years of proud union organizing).

It also appears that the leader of an opposition crowd, Kris Austin, who shamelessly announces that he (were he Premier) would implement measures contrary to those legally required of him. There is little doubt that his proposed actions could constitute contempt of court and a brutal lack of respect towards a Justice of the Court of Queen's Bench.

And, then there are those who are in favour of the proposed actions of these politicians? I would welcome a calm debate regarding this matter and I hope that New Brunswickers all realize the murky ideas that have been forward by Messrs. Higgs and Austin.

The "debates" that are being had on this site together with the vile and mean-spirited commentary are truly disturbing. I dislike using the word hate, but there seems to be a lot of it in these and similar threads. 


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

It also appears we have a union living in the stars and outer space who are demanding a 20% raise,

That’s far more absurd than all your made up stuff,


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton:You response is rather short. Please point out what you are referring to when you refer to my "made up stuff". Readers would no doubt appreciate understanding what you mean. I think it's important to underline as well that it is possible that there is a difference between what the union is asking and what the arbitrators would ultimately allow. There is no foregone conclusion.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

You throw around an awful lot of supposition on what people mid do and use derwgory terms to describe them.


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Please tell me what you mean when you refer to my "suppositions" And as for the derogatory terms, I am not sure what you are talking about, But I am ready to talk about the issues without calling people names or using any sarcasm.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Afraid... brazen.. shameless...

All your opinion clearly meant to put down those you disagree with.


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Brazen and shameless are hardly four-letter words, Johnny. I mean, come one. I am criticizing Messrs. Higgs and Austin. I do not agree with their positions, as I have stated. The two issues I raised and described are not in keeping with our time-honoured tradition of abiding by the law and respecting bargaining rights.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

In the private sector binding sf iteration has the constraint of affordability of product. An arbitrator can award a 200% raise, the business raises prices to pay for it. The product either sells or it does not.

Binding arbitration in the public sector has no such constraints and instead just keeps sucking the endless taxpayer pit to afford it,


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Should Austin ever get in, I suppose he could always just use the notwithstanding clause and then he wouldn’t be in contempt.


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton: You cannot use the notwithstanding clause to simply disregard a court’s decision.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Fake news.

In actuality the notwithstanding clause is used to override charter issues, so yes, the notwithstanding clause could be used to override a court decision that rules the right to strike is a charter right.


Johnny Horton   
Reply to @w:

Besides Austin would be more than clear to use the notwithstanding clause in the case of language rights.


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Fake news? What news are you referring to, Johnny? Regardless, that expression is a tired catch-all saying that really doesn't have much meaning. At any rate, the notwithstanding clause does notably to language rights, so your assertion is not correct.


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The Constitution would not allow for use of the notwithstanding clause in matters involving language rights. Mr. Austin could not legally make such an argument. The Courts would not allow it.


Lou Bell
Reply to @Josef Blow: The laws you're referring to are those put in place by a Premier with no plebiscite, nothing , solely to get votes . You know it and we all know it. He put himself and his party ahead of the majority of people he was supposed to represent. A complete sellout , and we've been paying for it ever since, and ypu're p.o.'d because we don't like it .


Josef Blow   
Reply to @Lou Bell: I am not upset that anyone doesn't like the law or any particular statutes or even, for that matter, the Constitution. What does concern me, though, is how some commentators seem to consider the Charter as some ordinary piece of legislation. It is the country's constitution and is essentially the nation's supreme law. As for your take on how language rights came to be enshrined in the Charter, you are presenting your version of events and what you consider to be the motivation behind political decisions. And you are entitled to do just that. However, these rights are now enshrined as constitutional rights. And, as such, they cannot be set aside using the notwithstanding clause as one commentator stated, because the Charter does not allow it.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

The notwithstanding clause was SPECIALLY designed to override a part of the acharter thst a federal or provincial government has issue with. It is has its own SPECIFIC section within that very Charter.

As to it’s effectiveness or it’s ineffctiveness, you may only speculate based on your biases.

We actually don’t know how it will actually stand up un5il it is actually infok3d and the circumstances why, then there will be challenges, ultimately ending at the SC after a few years, in the meantime it would have been invoked and would apply until overturned, if ever, by the courts.

That’s how it works, if you like it or not.


David Amos
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks you dudes deserve each other N'esy Pas?


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @David Amos:

Methinks the guy who sued eve4ykner the sun for simply looking sideways, really has no horse to burn in this,


Josef Blow  
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I'm sorry, Mr. Horton, you are incorrect. Section 33 of the Charter is considered to be the so-called "notwithstanding clause", yes. For your information, I have no particular bias or position as to how a challenge using that clause would ultimately reveal itself. I made no comments regarding the effectiveness or not, of this clause. I'm not sure if I get what you are trying to say.

Having said that, section 33 cannot be used to override language rights.

I see no reason for you to get upset and pointed in your comments. If I have said anything to stress you or make you upset, it was not my intention. I'm merely referring to the Charter itself. And, as you say, that is indeed how it works, regardless of whether anyone likes it or not.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @David Amos: Thank you for the kind observation Dave.
 

Josef Blow  
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I notice that some of the words you type are muddled. Do you have a keyboard problem, Mr. Horton? And no horse to burn ? Never heard that expression before.


David Amos
Reply to @Josef Blow: "Sarcasm is highly overrated."

Yea Right Methinks that was just more Pure D BS N'esy Pas?

(BTW Another "kind observation" would be to simply state that if you were born and raised on the Bay of Fundy you would have heard N'esy Pas said a zillion times by now Ask Chucky Leblanc and his many SANB/political liberal cousins such as Abe or Dominic, or Jacques or Bernard EH? (That not a word either but you know it means the same)


Johnny Horton
Reply to @David Amos:

In fact eh is a word. Has been used since the 16th century and is in the dictionary,

However n’esy pas appears in no dictionary.


David Amos 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Methinks rather comical the my reply to you was blocked N'esy Pas?


















Colin Seeley
NB is a Socialist and Liberalized Lubricated Paradise :

A place where everybody believes in Santa Clause :

- Free money
- Free comprehensive health care
- Free education
- Free food
- Free housing
- Free clothing
- Free utilities
- Free to live without taxes except those on rich

And the right to work seasonally.

Lovely place.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Colin Seeley:

Life is good living in equalization payment land, why pay for anything yourself when you can get others to provide the lifestyle you want,


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Colin Seeley: Your comment would be comical if it were not so cynical. Do you have anything constructive to say ?


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

He had a lot of constructive to say,

He said get to work and make your own money, if you don’t like the job and it’s money get a new one you do.

Stop living off others,


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I suppose people can get that message out of Mr. Seeley's comment if they really try. What is sad is the cynicism and sarcasm that he and other commentators display. This comments section could be a lot more useful if people were to tone down the rhetoric and speak to the issues rather than doing their best to "slam" each other.

I admit that is very tempting to engage in attacking commentators because of their views. I HAVE DONE SO but from now on I'm not going there anymore. The terrible comments posted on here are not a very attractive image of who New Brunswickers are - or could be. 


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

But you have no trouble attacking politicians and using slanderous terms to describe them,


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Colin Seeley:

Don’t worry Colin, truth hurts and also don’t worry sarcasm has been an effective form of communication and getting a message across for centuries,


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I will call out a politician but I don't condone "attacking " them. And, believe me, I am aware of what slander means and I've never said anything slanderous. If I have, please point out the instance.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Sarcasm is highly overrated.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Overrated In your opinion,


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Of course it is my opinion. I wrote the comment.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

So it is opinion and not fact.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: That's right.


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Some of us actually use facts on these forums,

Like the union gets 18-24 an hour as it is. That’s 37-49k a year. Mean salary in NB is 31k.
Like the union gets one more week vacation than the legal required amount in this province,
Like the union still has a defined pension,
Like the union has 15 days sick leave that is bankable.
Like the union has a variety of jobs like clerical and laundry and janitorial that don’t actually do patient care.


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Johnny, I use facts in support of a substantive argument. Let’s not try to jump to conclusions. So, assuming what you just stated is factually true and correct, so what? Does that give the Premier the right to refuse binding arbitration?


Johnny Horton  
Reply to @Josef Blow:

There are no requirements for mandatory binding arbitration in this case. So yes, the apremiere has the Right, actually thst is an incorrect way to word it. The zpremiere has no bligation to go to binding arbitration in this case,


Josef Blow 
Reply to @Johnny Horton: To refuse binding arbitration signals the Premier's ultimate fear of being bound by a yet-to-be decided upon decision to potentially pay higher wages and so on. The Premier is averse to the potential financial risk of being required to pay increased wages etc., but he is quite comfortable with taking the risk of being thrashed in an election because of his hardline position towards unions.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Josef Blow:

Again there you got eith opinion and supposition, over facts. In fact you have no actual knowledge of what ahiggs thinks or why, and instead just put your spin on it to suit your needs,


Josef Blow
Reply to @Johnny Horton: Johnny, I am not stating an opinion and I am not supposing anything. Listen, I'm not the one who said that Premier Higgs is fearful. He said it himself. Not me. The article quotes the Premier as saying that he would not heed yesterday's symbolic motion in favour of binding arbitration because it would cost the taxpayers too much money. I don't know what you keep saying that I am this or that … I am simply raising arguments that the Premier himself has stated publicly. I am not playing with words here. I suggest that you read the article and my initial comments on the whole affair. My comments related Messrs. Higgs and Austin and what I consider to be their flippant approach to some serious matters in the news lately. 


David Amos
Reply to @Josef Blow: Pure D BS


Josef Blow 
Reply to @David Amos: D BS? I do not understand what you are attempting to say David.












Paul Bourgoin
Any way one looks at our tag-team government here in New Brunswick Joe Public is standing out in left field with a two Leaders Political Party. This is a scratch my back and I will scratch yours politics our Parties will support yours and we will stand as one. WOW!!!


Mark (Junkman) George 
Reply to @Paul Bourgoin:

Actually, 3 leaders, you forget Dominic Cardy chomping at the bit.


David Amos  
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: YUP





 










 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/binding-arbitration-nursing-home-workers-1.5157720


MLAs siding with nursing home workers sends strong message to government, union says

Union says government has 'stripped away' the rights of nursing home workers


Elizabeth Fraser · CBC News ·


Hundreds of nursing home workers and supporters gathered at the New Brunswick Legislature on Thursday afternoon. (Gabrielle Fahmy/CBC)

A motion approved by MLAs calling for binding arbitration in support of nursing home workers, is sending "a strong message to government," according to the nursing home workers' union.

"It's democracy at its best," said Sharon Teare, president of the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Unions. "It's the legislature, it's where business is conducted."

The vote was 25-21 for the motion by the Opposition Liberals, which also had the support of two People Alliance MLAs and three Greens. Progressive Conservatives made up the 21 votes against.



"They're [MLAs] recognizing that it's the fair process to bring a resolution forward," she said.
The call for binding arbitration was the same demand demonstrators made earlier Thursday afternoon outside in downtown Fredericton
"The majority of the MLAs are seeking a resolution and are supporting a process that could bring a resolution to the dispute that nursing home workers are in right now."

Nursing home workers say they've lost patience with government's refusal to negotiate fair wage packages for employees.

Teare says bringing a resolution of binding arbitration without conditions to a neutral third party "is the fairest process" available.


Sharon Teare, president of the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Locals, says the recent vote is 'democracy at its best.' (Jacques Poitras/CBC)
 

Binding arbitration is a hearing before an arbitrator acceptable to both parties in the dispute. The process is available to both private and public sectors. The hearing can take a few days.

'In a crisis'


The union wants a 20 per cent wage increase over four years, saying that's about a dollar-an-hour raise for a resident attendant.

The government has limited wage increases to one per cent a year for the public sector — about 10 cents an hour.

Meanwhile, in a heated Question Period, Higgs said he respected the motion passed by a majority of MLAs calling on his minority government to enter binding arbitration with the Canadian Union of Public Employees.

But he said he would not heed the motion because it would cost taxpayers too much money.

"You know what? If it means going to an election, we will do just that, Mr. Speaker, because we will stand our ground," Higgs said.

'Fighting for fair wages'


Teare says she's been in the industry for more than 20 years, starting with $14.19 an hour. Now, more than 20 years later, she's received an increase of less than seven dollars.

"We're not just working, we're working with humans," she said. "They're deserving of time and unrushed time."

Teare says government has "stripped away" the rights of nursing home workers, but she's hopeful the province will negotiate with nursing home workers.

"We're fighting for fair wages and it's a retention and a recruitment issue," she said. "We're in a crisis."



CBC News
Union workers and their supporters hold rally demanding binding arbitration

About 200 nursing home workers and supporters demonstrated outside the legislature Thursday, carrying noisemakers and signs and calling for binding arbitration and fair negotiations. 1:01

About 4,000 nursing home workers, including licensed practical nurses, resident attendants and support service workers, have been trying to get a contract since 2016, seeking higher wages.

"For us we're negotiating with the crisis that we're in," she said.

In early March, 90 per cent of the workers voted to strike, but were stopped from doing so by back-to-back court orders sought by the province and the New Brunswick Association of Nursing Homes.

A labour board decision allowed workers to strike by declaring the Essential Services Act unconstitutional. A Court of Queen's Bench justice is reviewing the board's decision and is expected to rule on July 5.


With files from Information Morning Fredericton, Hadeel Ibrahim, Jacques Poitras


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/higgs-election-nursing-home-workers-1.5157712



Higgs dares opposition to force election over nursing home workers

Premier said he won't heed a motion calling on the government to enter into binding arbitration with CUPE


Jacques Poitras · CBC News ·


Premier Blaine Higgs said he respected the motion passed by MLAs calling on his government to enter into binding arbitration with CUPE, but he said it would cost taxpayers too much money. (CBC)


One day after his government lost a symbolic vote in the legislature over stalled contract talks with nursing home workers, Premier Blaine Higgs is daring opposition parties to force an election over the issue.

In a heated Question Period, Higgs said he respected the motion passed by a majority of MLAs calling on his minority government to enter binding arbitration with the Canadian Union of Public Employees.

But he said he would not heed the motion because it would cost taxpayers too much money.



"You know what? If it means going to an election, we will do just that, Mr. Speaker, because we will stand our ground," Higgs said.

The premier later told reporters that he would not call an election on the issue but wasn't afraid to campaign on it if the three other parties in the house teamed up to bring down his government.


Hundreds of nursing home workers and supporters gathered at the New Brunswick Legislature Thursday afternoon. (Gabrielle Fahmy/CBC)


"If they want to do that, game on," he said.  "I won't go out and just call an election. But I want people to understand that I'm not afraid to win or lose an election. I will not allow decisions to be made that I know we cannot financially make work."

It's the first time since last year's campaign failed to produce a majority government that Higgs has tossed out the idea of a snap election.

It came after the Liberals, Greens and two People's Alliance MLAs joined forces Thursday to pass the motion on arbitration 25-21.
CUPE members working in non-profit nursing homes have been without a contract since 2016 and are embroiled in a legal battle with the province over whether they have the right to strike. The union has been asking for binding arbitration.

Opposition Liberal leader Denis Landry said Friday his party will introduce legislation next week that would go farther than the motion and legally force the government to move to arbitration.

Landry said Friday that an election call is up to Higgs, though the opposition parties could trigger one if they defeated the PCs in a confidence vote.

The two Alliance members said Friday they voted for the toothless motion Thursday because they felt the dispute has dragged on long enough and the Progressive Conservative government needs to make the union a better offer.

But both MLAs said they would not vote against the PCs if the government declared a future vote on the issue a confidence vote, because that would force an election.

"We've given our word and I don't believe New Brunswickers would want us to do that either," said Miramichi MLA Michelle Conroy. The Alliance promised last fall to vote to keep the Tories in power for 18 months by supporting them in budget and confidence votes.



CUPE members working in non-profit nursing homes have been without a contract since 2016 and are embroiled in a legal battle with the province over whether they have the right to strike. (Hadeel Ibrahim/CBC)


Higgs said earlier this spring he'd support binding arbitration as long as it included parameters to limit wage increases in light of the province's dire financial condition.

The premier says if he agrees to CUPE's wage demands for nursing home works, that will set a precedent for dozens of other contracts expiring in the next two years. "If we get into a pattern with this group, that's what it is," he said. "It's a pattern-setting moment."

He estimates that awarding all those unions the same wage increase that CUPE is asking for now would cost $500 million a year.

Green party leader David Coon said that Higgs's invocation of an early election "is just posturing."
"He's dug in on a contract negotiation, and it's silly to suggest that around a contract negotiation, he would precipitate or would like to an election precipitated. It doesn't make any sense at all," Coon said.
But a snap election would make political sense, according to the CBC's polling analyst Eric Grenier.
Several recent public opinion polls showing the Higgs PCs with a comfortable lead over the Liberals.

"The PCs have picked up support in the polls, largely at the expense of the People's Alliance," Grenier said. At the same time, the Liberals appear to have lost some support to the Greens.

"If an election were held today, the PCs would probably be able to win a majority government," he said.


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Methinks only the dead horse they were flogging was wise enough to ignore the circus in Fat Fred City yesterday yet the protests reminded some MLAs of June of 2004 when I was illegally barred from the Legislative properties N'esy Pas?






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MLAs approve symbolic motion siding with nursing home workers

MLAs pass motion calling on Higgs government to accept unaltered binding arbitration


Hadeel Ibrahim · CBC News ·


Hundreds of nursing home workers and supporters gathered at the New Brunswick Legislature on Thursday afternoon. (Gabrielle Fahmy/CBC)


Not long after a CUPE demonstration at the legislature in support of nursing home workers and their fight for a new contract, MLAs approved a motion calling for binding arbitration — without conditions.

The vote was 25-21 for the motion by the Opposition Liberals, which also had the support of two People Alliance MLAs and three Greens. Progressive Conservatives made up the 21 votes against. 

The call for binding arbitration was the same demand demonstrators made earlier in the afternoon.


Glen Savoie, government house leader, said the non-binding motion might show the will of the majority but it's just symbolic.
"You may even say it's a bit of a PR stunt," he said.

"If it had any staying power or any ability to change policy it would, but it's a motion and it simply urges the government. That is the language and that it the tool that is."


Glen Savoie, Government House Leader, said the motion has no legislative impact, but 'urges the government.' (Radio-Canada)


The demonstrating workers and supporters said they wanted to keep the pressure on the government, which declared an impasse in negotiations two weeks ago — breaking off contract talks and provoking more calls for binding arbitration.

The government has said it will only support binding arbitration under the condition the arbitrator consider the wage increases already negotiated with its other unionized employees. The union has rejected this approach, saying it wouldn't amount to binding arbitration.

The voting


Before the voting on the main motion began, MLAs voted on amendments and sub-amendments proposed by other parties.

When the motion was first brought up in March, People's Alliance Leader Kris Austin proposed a sub-amendment that put parameters on the arbitration.

The amendment was in line with the kind of binding arbitration Premier Blaine Higgs was offering and CUPE was rejecting.

 
Demonstrators are calling for unaltered binding arbitration, but the province says it will only accept a modified form. (Gabrielle Fahmy/CBC)


People's Alliance MLAs Michelle Conroy and Rick DeSaulniers voted Thursday against their leader's sub-amendment, which was defeated 25-22.

The next vote was on a Green Party amendment calling on government to "fully fund" the result of the arbitration process. That amendment was defeated.

Austin abstained from voting on the main motion.

Busloads of demonstrators


On Thursday at least seven buses brought about 200 people to the legislature grounds early in the afternoon. Protesters carried noisemakers and signs, calling for unaltered binding arbitration and fair negotiations.

"The government refuses to deal with this in the only civil way that's left and that's untethered binding arbitration," said Daniel Legere, CUPE New Brunswick general vice-president.

This was the second demonstration held at the legislature since contract negotiations began breaking down.

About 4,000 nursing home workers, including licensed practical nurses, resident attendants and support service workers, have been trying to get a contract since 2016, seeking higher wages.
In early March, 90 per cent of the workers voted to strike, but were stopped from doing so by back-to-back court orders sought by the province and the New Brunswick Association of Nursing Homes.
A labour board decision allowed workers to strike by declaring the Essential Services Act unconstitutional. A Court of Queen's Bench justice is reviewing the board's decision and is expected to rule on July 5.

People at the rally chanted 'No justice, no peace.'

At the microphone, Sharon Teare, the president of the New Brunswick Council of Nursing Home Unions, said, "We will not rest until justice is served."

"Our hearts are aching and our backs are broken. And we cannot continue to work like that."



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Union workers and their supporters hold rally demanding binding arbitration

 About 200 nursing home workers and supporters demonstrated outside the legislature Thursday, carrying noisemakers and signs and calling for binding arbitration and fair negotiations. 1:01


With files from Gabrielle Fahmy and Jacques Poitras

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Joe Campbell
Here we go backs are broken!


Heather Michon 
Reply to @Joe Campbell: And you'd know I suppose because you've spent time in a nursing home.


Joe Campbell 
Reply to @Heather Michon: I am well aware of the nursing homes. I am only going by what CUPE stated a few months ago that each patient in the nursing home only gets 6 min of care. Well doing the math with say 20 patients on a wing at 6 minutes equals 120 minutes in total time. An eight hour shift is 480 minutes. That leaves you with 360 minutes. So what do you do with that time?


Marc Martin 
Reply to @Joe Campbell: You do realize that not all the patients are at the same place ?? Come one Joe your usually better then this.


Joe Campbell 
Reply to @Marc Martin: Your right, another beating a dead horse scenario.


Joe Campbell 
Reply to @Joe Campbell: Consider that my last comment on this topic.


Johnny Horton 
Reply to @Marc Martin: umm, yes they are at the same place. A shift for a nursing Khmer worker is in ONE nursing home.


David Amos
Reply to @Joe Campbell: "Consider that my last comment on this topic."

No doubt the dead horse agrees thats wise 

 
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