David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 47 others
Surprise Surprise Surprise (Methinks folks should check my emails N'esy Pas?)
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/methinks-i-know-why-marie-henein-aint.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/three-cabeint-ministers-mark-norman-1.5129957
Former Harper ministers MacKay, Kenney and O'Toole helped Vice-Admiral Norman's defence
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Scotty Davidson
My bet is Trudeau just didn't want his name dragged threw the mud right before the election. A full inquiry is required.
Won Tu
Reply to @Scotty Davidson: Yes, a full inquiry on why the Conservatives didn't bring this information to light sooner, save everyone a bunch of time and money. My guess is this Norman dude wasn't going to go down quietly if he ever went to court. He must have had some dirt on the Conservatives at the time. Funny how Scheer is all about an inquiry into possible obstruction of justice with SNC-Lavelin case and the Liberals, but he's pretty quiet when it involves members of his own party.
Keith Laughton
Reply to @Won Tu:
The investigation was into a leak of a Liberal Cabinet meeting after the change in government so there was no apparent relevance to what happened earlier..
When the charge was laid with the RCMP theory about a series of leaks they were expecting to be interviewed by the RCMP and when that didn't happen they went to the defence team.
So why did the "Open and transparent" Trudeau government spend the last six months fighting legally required disclosure including that authorised by Mr Harper last year?
Regards,
Won Tu
Reply to @Keith
Laughton: "no apparent relevance to what happened earlier" Yes I'm sure
that's why a trio of Conservative ex-ministers stepped in. What's
clear is that with them coming up with a good story (2 years in the
making) we'll never know what happened. Very convenient, just before an
election.
Keith
Laughton
Reply to @Won Tu:
They stepped in when the RCMP theory about leaks during their time in office was first presented.
They knew the RCMP theory was wrong but the RCMP was not interestd in interviewing them
They stepped in when the RCMP theory about leaks during their time in office was first presented.
They knew the RCMP theory was wrong but the RCMP was not interestd in interviewing them
David R. Amos
Reply to @Won Tu: "Yes, a full inquiry on why the Conservatives didn't bring this information to light sooner, save everyone a bunch of time and money. My guess is this Norman dude wasn't going to go down quietly if he ever went to court. He must have had some dirt on the Conservatives at the time."
BINGO
David R. Amos
Reply to @Keith Laughton: "They knew the RCMP theory was wrong but the RCMP was not interestd in interviewing them "
Methinks whereas you have stated that you have no respect for my litigation and my opinions you should ask yourself why the RCMP were playing dumb N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Scotty Davidson: Methinks Trudeau brought this upon himself N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-breach-trust-1.4612144
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may have complicated the work of the Crown by saying publicly that he expected Norman's case to go to trial"
Peter Adams
Great job done gentlemen! Too bad selfie JT wasn't surrounded with like minded people!
You remind us what being a true Canadian is all about!
Eugene D Burles
Reply to @Peter Adams:
A Con Rogues Gallery!
A Con Rogues Gallery!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Eugene D Burles: "A Con Rogues Gallery!"
Surprise Surprise Surprise
Adam Gajewski
Reply to @Peter Adams:
Even better job was done through the absence of Scott Brison's testimony
Mia Stalling
Reply to @Won Tu: cons misspeak all the time and we know Peter will sell anything for money
David R. Amos
Reply to @mia stalling: YUP
David R. Amos
Reply to @Adam Gajewski: "Even better job was done through the absence of Scott Brison's testimony "
How so?
David Semple
'None of the Conservatives were ever formally questioned by the RCMP or the Crown before the breach of trust charge was laid a year ago.'
So let me get this straight. Norman's defense team knew enough to talk to these guys, but the RCMP and the Crown couldn't figure out that might be a smart thing to do?
If that doesn't prove the current government was involved in pulling strings in this case, nothing does
Robert Brannen
Reply to @David Semple:
"MacKay said he was contacted only once by the RCMP on the "very narrow issue" of an email exchange he had several years ago with Norman." --- CBC
Seems that MacKay could have volunteered information if he was truly concerned.
Keith Laughton
Reply to @Robert Brannen:
Please explain why he would provide information regarding a leak from a cabinet meeting that he did not attend since it was after the change in government.
Why didn't the "Open and Transparent' Trudeau PMO and PCO follow through on Mr Harpers authorisation to release the Cabinet confidences to VAdm Norman's defence team last year?
Regards,
Please explain why he would provide information regarding a leak from a cabinet meeting that he did not attend since it was after the change in government.
Why didn't the "Open and Transparent' Trudeau PMO and PCO follow through on Mr Harpers authorisation to release the Cabinet confidences to VAdm Norman's defence team last year?
Regards,
David R. Amos
Reply to @David
Semple: "So let me get this straight. Norman's defense team knew enough
to talk to these guys, but the RCMP and the Crown couldn't figure out
that might be a smart thing to do?"
Methinks you should read my emails to Norman's lawyer beginning in 2017 They are easily found on the Internet N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should read my emails to Norman's lawyer beginning in 2017 They are easily found on the Internet N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Keith Laughton: "Why didn't the "Open and Transparent' Trudeau PMO and PCO follow through on Mr Harpers authorisation to release the Cabinet confidences to VAdm Norman's defence team last year?"
Methinks anyone can Google Federal Court File No T-1557-15 and scroll down to statement number 83 to see how Admiral Norman got off the hook N'esy Pas?
Trust that Harper used this file to his advantage many times in the past
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Luke Armstrong
Trudeau out of sight for a couple of days. Nice!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Luke Armstrong: Methinks that was rather predicable N'esy Pas?
Johnny Roberts
Why is the petite spud at the center of everything that is wrong with Canada? The worst 4 years in Canadian history 2015-2019.
Cameron Kernick
Reply to @Johnny
Roberts: I don't know about' worst 4 years' but defiantly the worst
collapse and failure of a Canadian government with a majority mandate
that is in jeopardy of not being returned for a 2nd mandate. This hasn't
happened in Canadian history outside a massive recession and The Great
Depression. Absolutely the worst failure of leadership this country has
seen in its history.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Cameron Kernick: "Absolutely the worst failure of leadership this country has seen in its history."
Methinks many would agree that Sir John A MacDonald takes the cake in that regard However his opposition was every bit as bad just like current days between Trudeau The Younger and his Red Coats versus Mr Scheer and his Blue Coats N'esy Pas?
Methinks many would agree that Sir John A MacDonald takes the cake in that regard However his opposition was every bit as bad just like current days between Trudeau The Younger and his Red Coats versus Mr Scheer and his Blue Coats N'esy Pas?
Mac Lester
WOW!!!conservatives working for Canadians,
Elaine Hancock
Reply to @Mac Lester: Like they did everyday.
Won Tu
Reply to @Mac Lester:
How do you figure? You think waiting years and years to provide
information to exonerate a public servant serves Canadians? Why did
they sit on this info? Looks fishy to me. Maybe they didn't want a
case in the courts that would drag the Conservatives through the mud
just around election time?
Doug James
Reply to @Won Tu: You
don't get it. Prior to this the Cons were muzzled and would have been
considered breech of privacy had they divulged any information. Its very
likely they got subpoenaed and were finally able to speak about it,
which they legally COULDN'T do prior to this. The fact that it took this
long to question them is more fishy that the prosecution (as directed
by the Libs) didn't want to get that information out.
Keith
Laughton
Reply to @Won Tu:
Actually they reached out to the defence team when the RCMP didn't bother to interview them in order to teat the prosecution's theory.
As a result the prosecution collapsed.
And meanwhile Mr Trudeau had his staff working overtime to block the RCMP, DDPP and the Defence team from accessing government information.
Maybe that was what was in the 60 page completely redacted memorandum from Mr Wernick to Mr Trudeau last October.
Regards,
Actually they reached out to the defence team when the RCMP didn't bother to interview them in order to teat the prosecution's theory.
As a result the prosecution collapsed.
And meanwhile Mr Trudeau had his staff working overtime to block the RCMP, DDPP and the Defence team from accessing government information.
Maybe that was what was in the 60 page completely redacted memorandum from Mr Wernick to Mr Trudeau last October.
Regards,
Nicolas Mazet
Reply to @Doug James:
As opposed to divulging it now. Your argument doesn't stand. Unless you
are implying that he was being tried for being the Conservative's man.
James Holden
Reply to @Doug James:
Wrong.
Harper waived privilege on this case years ago...or so he claimed.
Wrong.
Harper waived privilege on this case years ago...or so he claimed.
Mia Stalling
Reply to @Keith
Laughton: If the Cons had all this information why did they put Mark
Norman through all this? Was it for political gain, or the love of
wasting money and watching the liberals fall into their trap again? They
did nothing for Canada or Canadians it was all an evil game to them
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mac Lester: "WOW!!!conservatives working for Canadians,"
Methinks you know as well as it that its just another smoke a mirror act at the circus N'esy Pas?
Methinks you know as well as it that its just another smoke a mirror act at the circus N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Doug James: "You don't get it. Prior to this the Cons were muzzled "
Methinks it is you who "don't get it" because you don't wish to N'esy Pas?
Methinks it is you who "don't get it" because you don't wish to N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @mia stalling: "They did nothing for Canada or Canadians it was all an evil game to them "
I concur
I concur
David R. Amos
Reply to @Keith
Laughton: "Maybe that was what was in the 60 page completely redacted
memorandum from Mr Wernick to Mr Trudeau last October."
Spin much?
Spin much?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Won Tu: "Looks fishy to me."
Methinks it stinks as well N'esy Pas?
Methinks it stinks as well N'esy Pas?
Daryll Mcbain
Good of the Conservatives to help an innocent man and stopping political interference.
Kev Altobene
It looked more like
the Cons were doing back deals, and those info were never put on paper.
Funny, they provide the info after 3 years
James Holden
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain:
They covered it up and let Norman dangle to score political points against the Liberals.
They covered it up and let Norman dangle to score political points against the Liberals.
David R. Amos
Reply to @James Holden: YUP
Dan Cooper
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain:
LOL Conservatives obviously waited this long purely for partisan purposes. How noble of them lol.
All the con spinsters sure are on the same talking point page though....
David R. Amos
Reply to @Kev Altobene: Methinks Admiral Norman should ask himself what his own lawyer was not telling him N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Dan Cooper:
Methinks it is all just part of the wicked game the politicians and
lawyers play at other people's expense N'esy Pas?
Daryll Mcbain
Going to be a tuff spin for the Liberals. They have been fighting to keep Conservative era records sealed from the defence lawyers.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: "Going to be a tuff spin for the Liberals"
Oh So True
Oh So True
Larry Chegus
Such a embarrassment for Trudeau stating even before charges were laid that Norman’s case would go to trail, that is NOT PM material, actually a shame
David R. Amos
Reply to @Larry Chegus: Methinks a lot of liberals wish to forget that Trudeau The Younger said that N'esy Pas?
Max Kaminsky
Gas up the Jet, Katie. I forgot my colouring book in Tofino.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Max
Kaminsky: YO Katie I wonder if I could hitch a ride on the fancy jet we
all pay for in order to visit the RCAF base where my Father's PBY
crashed in WW II. He was the sole survivour of the 9 men on board. You
cannot deny that Trudeau's Papa did not go to war so I have more of
right to visit Tofino than your boss does N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Max
Kaminsky: Methinks you must recall the NDP exposing Peter MacKay's
nonsense about free rides on vacation when he was the Minister of
Defence N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mackay-s-helicopter-story-doesn-t-fly-mps-say-1.1121363
MacKay's helicopter story doesn't fly, MPs say
Pressure builds on defence minister over 'search and rescue training' demonstration
Laura Payton · CBC News · Posted: Dec 02, 2011 12:54 PM ET
"Opposition MPs went on the attack Friday over Defence Minister Peter MacKay's 10-minute trip on a search and rescue helicopter in July 2010, saying the Defence Department is "not a Toys 'R' Us" and calling for his resignation.
NDP MP Ryan Cleary is calling for MacKay's resignation after documents obtained by several media outlets revealed Thursday that MacKay's office requested the airlift from a remote fishing area in central Newfoundland.
"The email trail that has been released doesn't back up his story," Cleary told CBC News."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mackay-s-helicopter-story-doesn-t-fly-mps-say-1.1121363
MacKay's helicopter story doesn't fly, MPs say
Pressure builds on defence minister over 'search and rescue training' demonstration
Laura Payton · CBC News · Posted: Dec 02, 2011 12:54 PM ET
"Opposition MPs went on the attack Friday over Defence Minister Peter MacKay's 10-minute trip on a search and rescue helicopter in July 2010, saying the Defence Department is "not a Toys 'R' Us" and calling for his resignation.
NDP MP Ryan Cleary is calling for MacKay's resignation after documents obtained by several media outlets revealed Thursday that MacKay's office requested the airlift from a remote fishing area in central Newfoundland.
"The email trail that has been released doesn't back up his story," Cleary told CBC News."
David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks the plot thickens nicely N'esy Pas?
"Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office in order to make the deal happen."
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/methinks-i-know-why-marie-henein-aint.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-working-with-harper-1.5128872
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Friday, 22 February 2019
Mark Norman's defence team hits Trudeau, Butts with subpoenas
https://www.cbc.ca/news/ politics/mark-norman-charges- to-be-dropped-1.5127220
Prosecutors to drop criminal case of breach of trust against
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman
Accused of leaking cabinet secrets in relation to a $700-million
shipbuilding deal
Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: May 07, 2019 9:25 PM ET
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman was accused of leaking cabinet secrets in
relation to a $700-million shipbuilding deal to lease a supply vessel.
(Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)
Federal prosecutors are expected to abandon their criminal prosecution
of the military's former second-in-command, Vice-Admiral Mark Norman,
CBC News has confirmed.
The Public Prosecution Service of Canada plans to withdraw the single
breach of trust charge that was laid last year against the former vice
chief of the defence staff, but has yet to confirm the reasons why,
sources said late Tuesday.
Norman, who was also the former commander of the navy, was accused of
leaking cabinet secrets in relation to a $668-million shipbuilding
deal to lease a supply vessel.
The National Post first reported that the Crown would throw in the towel.
It came after the Public Prosecution Service of Canada took the
unusual step, Tuesday evening, of sending out a notice to the media
advising them that they "may wish to attend" court on Wednesday at 10
a.m.
The high-profile, politically charged case has seen the Liberal
government face allegations of political interference from both the
Opposition Conservatives and Norman's defence team, including Toronto
lawyer Marie Henein.
LISTEN
How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
FRONT BURNER
How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
The defence has claimed, in both arguments and court filings, that the
Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office have attempted to
orchestrate the prosecution of the case. They also have alleged that
former Treasury Board president Scott Brison tried to kill the lease
deal on behalf of a rival shipyard.
The Liberal government, the public prosecution service and Brison have
all denied the accusations, which were made in court and in court
filings.
The tipping point may have come last week, however, when it was
revealed that former parliamentary secretary — and soon-to-be former
Liberal MP — Andrew Leslie had offered to testify for the defence.
Leslie, a former lieutenant-general, has intimate knowledge of the
military procurement system and could have provided insight into the
behind-the-scenes manoeuvring within the Liberal government as the
case against Norman unfolded.
Fight for documents
The case has been a routine feature of question period in the House of
Commons with the Conservatives hammering the Liberals over the slow
pace of handing over federal government documents to the defence and
for the refusal of officials to cover Norman's legal costs.
His lawyers have been fighting for access to federal documents for
months. Hundreds of those documents have been released, but many key
records were redacted.
The federal government has claimed the documents were blacked out to
protect solicitor-client privilege and because they contain cabinet
secrets. The defence team challenged those claims, arguing that
Norman's prosecution is politically motivated.
The battle over documents focuses on up to 36 memos, analysis reports
and emails involving the Privy Council Office and the Prime Minister's
Office.
Uncertain future for Norman
The allegations against Norman first surfaced in January 2017, when
his suburban home was raided by the RCMP and he was suspended from his
job as vice chief of the defence staff.
It took the RCMP and the Crown more than a year to formally charge him
with a single count of breach of trust, alleging he leaked cabinet
secrets to both an executive at the Davie Shipyard, in Levis, Que.,
which leased a supply ship to the navy, and to a CBC journalist.
The Crown alleged there were 12 instances where details of what
federal ministers were saying and thinking about the project were
illegally revealed. The vast majority of those alleged incidents
involved the negotiation period under the former Conservative
government.
Listen
How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
Mark Norman's defence points to SNC-Lavalin testimony in bid to
unlock secret documents
The prosecution also claimed that Norman leaked the results of a
November 2015 cabinet subcommittee meeting under the Liberals, when,
newly elected at the time, they decided to put the supply ship lease
deal on hold for further study.
The government eventually reversed its decision and allowed the deal
to proceed after a public backlash because of the leak.
It is unclear what Norman's future may be after Wednesday's court proceeding.
A veteran of three decades and eligible to retire, he was moved out of
the vice chief of defence staff post, but has remained in uniform in a
temporary duty post throughout the legal proceedings
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Mark Norman's defence team hits Trudeau, Butts with subpoenas
https://www.cbc.ca/news/
Prosecutors to drop criminal case of breach of trust against
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman
Accused of leaking cabinet secrets in relation to a $700-million
shipbuilding deal
Murray Brewster · CBC News · Posted: May 07, 2019 9:25 PM ET
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman was accused of leaking cabinet secrets in
relation to a $700-million shipbuilding deal to lease a supply vessel.
(Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)
Federal prosecutors are expected to abandon their criminal prosecution
of the military's former second-in-command, Vice-Admiral Mark Norman,
CBC News has confirmed.
The Public Prosecution Service of Canada plans to withdraw the single
breach of trust charge that was laid last year against the former vice
chief of the defence staff, but has yet to confirm the reasons why,
sources said late Tuesday.
Norman, who was also the former commander of the navy, was accused of
leaking cabinet secrets in relation to a $668-million shipbuilding
deal to lease a supply vessel.
The National Post first reported that the Crown would throw in the towel.
It came after the Public Prosecution Service of Canada took the
unusual step, Tuesday evening, of sending out a notice to the media
advising them that they "may wish to attend" court on Wednesday at 10
a.m.
The high-profile, politically charged case has seen the Liberal
government face allegations of political interference from both the
Opposition Conservatives and Norman's defence team, including Toronto
lawyer Marie Henein.
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How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
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How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
The defence has claimed, in both arguments and court filings, that the
Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office have attempted to
orchestrate the prosecution of the case. They also have alleged that
former Treasury Board president Scott Brison tried to kill the lease
deal on behalf of a rival shipyard.
The Liberal government, the public prosecution service and Brison have
all denied the accusations, which were made in court and in court
filings.
The tipping point may have come last week, however, when it was
revealed that former parliamentary secretary — and soon-to-be former
Liberal MP — Andrew Leslie had offered to testify for the defence.
Leslie, a former lieutenant-general, has intimate knowledge of the
military procurement system and could have provided insight into the
behind-the-scenes manoeuvring within the Liberal government as the
case against Norman unfolded.
Fight for documents
The case has been a routine feature of question period in the House of
Commons with the Conservatives hammering the Liberals over the slow
pace of handing over federal government documents to the defence and
for the refusal of officials to cover Norman's legal costs.
His lawyers have been fighting for access to federal documents for
months. Hundreds of those documents have been released, but many key
records were redacted.
The federal government has claimed the documents were blacked out to
protect solicitor-client privilege and because they contain cabinet
secrets. The defence team challenged those claims, arguing that
Norman's prosecution is politically motivated.
The battle over documents focuses on up to 36 memos, analysis reports
and emails involving the Privy Council Office and the Prime Minister's
Office.
Uncertain future for Norman
The allegations against Norman first surfaced in January 2017, when
his suburban home was raided by the RCMP and he was suspended from his
job as vice chief of the defence staff.
It took the RCMP and the Crown more than a year to formally charge him
with a single count of breach of trust, alleging he leaked cabinet
secrets to both an executive at the Davie Shipyard, in Levis, Que.,
which leased a supply ship to the navy, and to a CBC journalist.
The Crown alleged there were 12 instances where details of what
federal ministers were saying and thinking about the project were
illegally revealed. The vast majority of those alleged incidents
involved the negotiation period under the former Conservative
government.
Listen
How the Mark Norman trial could be 'a huge political circus'
Mark Norman's defence points to SNC-Lavalin testimony in bid to
unlock secret documents
The prosecution also claimed that Norman leaked the results of a
November 2015 cabinet subcommittee meeting under the Liberals, when,
newly elected at the time, they decided to put the supply ship lease
deal on hold for further study.
The government eventually reversed its decision and allowed the deal
to proceed after a public backlash because of the leak.
It is unclear what Norman's future may be after Wednesday's court proceeding.
A veteran of three decades and eligible to retire, he was moved out of
the vice chief of defence staff post, but has remained in uniform in a
temporary duty post throughout the legal proceedings
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 47 others
Methinks I know why Marie Henein ain't smiling and so does Trudeau N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/05/methinks-i-know-why-marie-henein-aint.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-breach-trust-charge-dropped-1.5127463
'I acted with integrity': Mark Norman claims exoneration after Crown stays breach-of-trust
5774 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.
David R. Amos
Methinks the plot thickens nicely N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-working-with-harper-1.5128872
"What became clear — throughout the process — was that Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office in order to make the deal happen.
"There was a political will to get this done," said one former Conservative staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, who was intimately familiar with the project at the outset.
As the case against Norman developed, many members of the former government expected the Mounties to come knocking. But they never did, said the staffer.
Allusions to the involvement of Harper's office were sprinkled through court records in interviews with federal bureaucrats conducted by the RCMP, but the extent to which the former commander of the navy worked with them was not made clear."
Simon McVeigh
Reply to @David R. Amos: ... so why didn't the RCMP interview them, or ask for them to appear in court? ... No, the Liberals OWN this... Norman exposed the fact that Trudeau wanted to shift the contract at a cost of $89 Million... once revealed, he was forced to stick to the original ship builder... who delivered what was needed ON TIME... and ON BUDGET... Trudeau went after Norman, besmirched his good name... and LOST ! Now we wait for the countersuit against the Liberals... or more info from Norman on how Liberal operatives mistreated him.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Simon
McVeigh: Methinks many would agree that the RCMP and the prosecutors OWN
this even more than Harper and Trudeau certainly do because nobody is
above the law N'esy Pas?
Keith Laughton
Reply to @David R. Amos:
Given that Mr Trudeau's PMO/PCO did not release the information to either the RCMP or the DPP I don't think they can be faulted.
If the "Open and Transparent" had release it earlier then the prosecution would not have been commenced thereby reducing the large legal bill faced by the Government.
Regards,
Given that Mr Trudeau's PMO/PCO did not release the information to either the RCMP or the DPP I don't think they can be faulted.
If the "Open and Transparent" had release it earlier then the prosecution would not have been commenced thereby reducing the large legal bill faced by the Government.
Regards,
David R. Amos
Reply to @Keith
Laughton: Methinks you should read my lawsuit (Federal Court File No
T-1557-15 Statement 83 in particular) After all it was filed when Harper
was the Prime Minister while I was running against Harper et al in the
election of the 42nd Parliament and Trudeau had yet to become a member
of the Privy Council N'esy Pas?
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @David R. Amos:
If you recognize the spin in all that, intentional or not (I'm undecided as to how unbiased Brewster is in his reporting), I for one don't actually see anything inappropriate here. "Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office"? Well clutch my pearls!
Try this: according to his own statement in court, the CDS, Gernal Vance was wined and dined by Gerald B. and Katie Telford *the evening the General relieved VAdm Norman*!!! He says they didn't talk about it, but it still raises my eyebrows a lot more than an Admiral working with govt. to get a desperately needed supply ship for the RCN.
If you recognize the spin in all that, intentional or not (I'm undecided as to how unbiased Brewster is in his reporting), I for one don't actually see anything inappropriate here. "Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office"? Well clutch my pearls!
Try this: according to his own statement in court, the CDS, Gernal Vance was wined and dined by Gerald B. and Katie Telford *the evening the General relieved VAdm Norman*!!! He says they didn't talk about it, but it still raises my eyebrows a lot more than an Admiral working with govt. to get a desperately needed supply ship for the RCN.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jamie Gillis: "Well clutch my pearls!"
Hold on tight when you Google the 3 stooges and yours truly
Katie Telford Gerald Butts Jonathan Vance David Amos
Hold on tight when you Google the 3 stooges and yours truly
Katie Telford Gerald Butts Jonathan Vance David Amos
Keith Laughton
Reply to @David R. Amos:
As I have told you before I am uninterested in your various lawsuits which are not related to the subject of the article
Regards
Robert Morris
The charges against Norman were stayed after former conservative cabinet ministers provided new information......if these former ministers possessed important information about this case, why did they take so long to come forward with it......perhaps scheer should explain to Canadians why his party let an innocent man get dragged through the mud when they could have prevented it......
Flip Anderson
Reply to @Robert Morris:
Harper welcomed the investigation.
Harper also signed a waiver and released all documents under his watch.
Harper also said all documents should be released unredacted.
So.
Why would Trudeau not release the conservative documents.
Why would Trudeau not release Normans' email, text and notes related to the case.
And when Trudeau released Liberal documents between himself and Wernick, they were fully redacted citing client/solicitor privilege even though Trudeau or Wernick are NOT lawyers.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Flip Anderson: Methinks those are very good questions sir. Everyone should wish you luck getting ethical answers N'esy Pas?
Flip Anderson
Reply to @David R. Amos: Ethics and the current government are like oil and water, they just don't mix.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Flip Anderson: "Ethics and the current government are like oil and water, they just don't mix."
Methinks you are preaching to the whistleblower N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Methinks you are preaching to the whistleblower N'esy Pas?
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Brian Allen
Reply to @Robert Morris:
Conservatives for 3+ years have been trying to protect Canadians from being dragged through the mud...but the Liberal majority gifted to Junior and his All-Stars have allowed, initiated, availed and endorsed the mudslide of Canadian values, tax-dollars, and respect world-wide.
Luke Armstrong
The Vice-Admiral is a humble and well respected man. So unlike Justin Trudeau.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Luke Armstrong: Methinks you should read our emails N'esy Pas?
Brian Allen
If only our pm had this man’s integrity and intellect.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Brian
Allen: Methinks many would agree that he was just following political
orders Thats how he came up through the ranks N'esy Pas?
Brian Allen
Sajjan won’t give VA Norman his old job back?
In October if not before....the Architect will be looking for a job.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Brian Allen: Methinks either you or I missed something because I heard Norman already has the job back N'esy Pas?
Brian Allen
Reply to @David R. Amos:
You’re missing a whole lot of things Dave... N’esy Pas?
You’re missing a whole lot of things Dave... N’esy Pas?
Keith
Laughton
Reply to @David R. Amos:
You heard wrong.
Regards,
You heard wrong.
Regards,
David R. Amos
Reply to @Brian Allen: Are you certain?
"Chief of the Defence Staff Gen. Jonathan Vance issued a statement today saying he will be discussing Norman's return to regular duty at the earliest opportunity."
Brian Allen
Marie Henein would make an excellent PM.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Brian Allen: Now thats funny
Mike Kennedy
Justin can barely make it out of bed without stepping in it. Quite entertaining really.
David R. Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: Welcome to the Circus
Mike Kennedy
PMO needs to be investigated again.
Jennifer McIsaac
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Oh, not doing something is an offense now is it?
Anne Bérubé
Reply to @Jennifer
McIsaac: Not doing something? For starters, Trudeau and his gang ruined
Norman's career (and a huge career this was). It is time for payback,
Courts please!
Archie Brow
Reply to @Jennifer
McIsaac: “doing nothing”, the lawyers, public service hours dedicated to
this mess has cost taxpayers over a million, you must think money grows
on trees.
Keith Laughton:
Reply to @Jennifer McIsaac:
Well not responding to court ordered disclosure in an ongoing court case is an offence.
I guess we wil have to see if the "Open and Transparent" Trudeau government is willing to let the truth come out.
Or will we just see more 60 page redacted memoranda.
Regards,
Well not responding to court ordered disclosure in an ongoing court case is an offence.
I guess we wil have to see if the "Open and Transparent" Trudeau government is willing to let the truth come out.
Or will we just see more 60 page redacted memoranda.
Regards,
David R. Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: Methinks I know why Marie Henein ain't smiling and so does Trudeau N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Archie Brown: "the lawyers, public service hours dedicated to this mess has cost taxpayers over a million"
Methinks you underestimate how much our politicians and bureaucrats love to spend our tax funds It appears to me that 400 grand was not enough for the lawyers on one side of a non event at the circus N'esy Pas?
"Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan announced today the federal government would be paying Norman's legal fees. A private crowdsourcing initiative already has raised more than $400,000 for Norman's defence.
The prosecution said Norman's actions were inappropriate and secretive, but that doesn't mean a crime was committed.
"Inappropriate does not mean criminal," said Barbara Mercier, the lead prosecutor."
Ray Luker
Once again the Liberals have repeatedly shown that they are barely fit to rule a banana republic, much less a G7 nation like Canada.
Usually you have to go to South American tin-pot dictatorships like Venezuela to find such a strong stench of corruption, but one-term Trudy’s eco-Marxist regime is already riff with it and it’s been a cool spring, by fall their stench will be unbearable.
Canada deserve better than this..
David Mccaig
Reply to @Ray Luker:
'I acted with integrity': Mark Norman claims exoneration after Crown stays breach-of-trust charge.
No he's got a political agenda against our government.
'I acted with integrity': Mark Norman claims exoneration after Crown stays breach-of-trust charge.
No he's got a political agenda against our government.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Ray Luker:
Nothing like a story involving the military to bring out all these right wing types.
Nothing like a story involving the military to bring out all these right wing types.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @david mccaig: "No he's got a political agenda against our government."
Methinks Trudeau drew first blood not Norman N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-breach-trust-1.4612144
"Prime Minister Justin Trudeau may have complicated the work of the Crown by saying publicly that he expected Norman's case to go to trial"
David R. Amos
Reply to @David R. Amos: WOW Methinks CBC just made a a HUGE Faux Pas N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: "Nothing like a story involving the military to bring out all these right wing types. "
Methinks you are no such thing yet you have a lot to say N'esy Pas?
Methinks you are no such thing yet you have a lot to say N'esy Pas?
Richard Dekkar
Thank you Vice Admiral Norman for your service and dedication. Canadians are behind you and we know what to do this October to make sure this can’t happen again.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: Yea Right Methinks anyone can Google two names David Amos Admiral Norman N'esy Pas?
Daryll Mcbain
Time for the RCMP to investigate the PMO.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain:
Bet the CBC managementgiggled when they were posting this article , that it would be to cons like light to moths.
Daryll Mcbain
Reply to @david mccaig: don’t care for our Justice system independence I see.
Lawrence Farrel
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: It's LONG PAST time.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Lawrence Farrell: I concur
Methinks anyone can Google Federal Court File No T-1557-15 and scroll down to statement number 83 to see how Admiral Norman got off the hook N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: "don’t care for our Justice system independence I see."
Methinks everybody knows that is a myth N'esy Pas?
Bill Edward Goate
Translation: The prosecutors have been told that the Liberal Party can't afford any more embarrassments or unwelcome scrutiny.
Adam Gajewski
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate:
The reasons for a couple of sudden resignations in the treasury department will not be aired in the court. We live in hope there was no political interference to drop the case.
The reasons for a couple of sudden resignations in the treasury department will not be aired in the court. We live in hope there was no political interference to drop the case.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate:
"prosecutors have been told that the Liberal Party can't afford any more embarrassments or unwelcome scrutiny."
So now the cons are accusing the prosecutors of obstructing the law.
"prosecutors have been told that the Liberal Party can't afford any more embarrassments or unwelcome scrutiny."
So now the cons are accusing the prosecutors of obstructing the law.
Frank Goodwood
Reply to @david mccaig:
David, you do realize that this the CBC and that it's audience is mostly Liberals right? The comments are overwhelming negative when it comes to JT. What does that tell you?
David, you do realize that this the CBC and that it's audience is mostly Liberals right? The comments are overwhelming negative when it comes to JT. What does that tell you?
David Mccaig
Reply to @Frank Goodwood:
Canada is comprised mostly of people whose political ideolgy live on the left side, despite valiant attempts by tbe corporate media owned by billionaires trying the best to bamboozle clear thinking Canadians into voting for billionaires best interests and voting for cons and against their own best interests.
Canada is comprised mostly of people whose political ideolgy live on the left side, despite valiant attempts by tbe corporate media owned by billionaires trying the best to bamboozle clear thinking Canadians into voting for billionaires best interests and voting for cons and against their own best interests.
Jim Lau
Reply to @david
mccaig: Billionaires, Corporations, and Corporate media are the ones who
have the likes of you bamboozled to support the left agenda and thumb
your nose at ethics, rule of law, and truth. But you don't get it, that
is clear
Bill Laplante
Reply to @Jim Lau: You must be talking about Soros and the "Tide foundation" and others bankrolled like Leadnow
David Mccaig
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate:
What is it about the loyalty of cons that so attracts Vlad Putin to want to support these right wingers.
What is it about the loyalty of cons that so attracts Vlad Putin to want to support these right wingers.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate:
Funny i dont see Vad Putin helping the liberals or the US democrats , nope just cons.
Funny i dont see Vad Putin helping the liberals or the US democrats , nope just cons.
David Mccaig
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate:
You'd think any party that believes in freedom and democracy and wouldnt be hiding their involvement with Russian mafia, but here we have day after day of right wingers praising Putin.
You'd think any party that believes in freedom and democracy and wouldnt be hiding their involvement with Russian mafia, but here we have day after day of right wingers praising Putin.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bill Edward Goate: BINGO
David R. Amos
Reply to @Adam Gajewski: Welcome to the Circus
David R. Amos
Reply to @Frank Goodwood: Methinks Mccaig hasn't figured out who owns CBC N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bill Laplante: "You must be talking about Soros"
Of that I have no doubt Methinks he works for him N'esy Pas?
Of that I have no doubt Methinks he works for him N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @david mccaig: "here we have day after day of right wingers praising Putin."
Methinks everybody has figured out your agenda by now N'esy Pas?
Methinks everybody has figured out your agenda by now N'esy Pas?
Richard Dekkar
Now Canadians need to know what was in those documents that was so damaging that Trudeau had to interfere and stop a prosecution to save his skin.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: "Now Canadians need to know what was in those documents"
Methinks you should check my documents and emails that I have been publishing on the Internet for years while I ran for public office six times thus far N'esy Pas?
Don Cameron
Ha!
This was predictable, once the slea ze about the Trudeau PMO started to come out.
Brison and Leslie not running again in the upcoming election because of this scandal.
I hope there is a whistle blower out there with the courage to release documents. Canadians deserve to know the truth.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Don Cameron: "I hope there is a whistle blower out there with the courage to release documents. Canadians deserve to know the truth."
Please read Federal Court File No T-1557-15 Statement 83 in particular ASAP
David R. Amos
Reply to @Don Cameron: Please read this as well
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
Jerry MaGuire
"It's a beautiful day, thank you."
Canadians will be saying that on Oct 20th, the day after this government is defeated.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jerry MaGuire: Methinks all the political animals know that climate change or not its gonna be a long hot summer before the fat lady sings on Oct 20th N'esy Pas?
Elaine Hancock
Another day, another Trudeau mess.
Drew Allen
Reply to @Elaine Hancock:
Harpers fault? That will be the next excuse.
Harpers fault? That will be the next excuse.
Elaine Hancock
Reply to @drew allen: I guess. With the help of Admiral Norman the navy got a supply ship on time and on budget, Horrors!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Elaine Hancock: "I guess. With the help of Admiral Norman the navy got a supply ship on time and on budget, Horrors! "
Well put
David R. Amos
Reply to @drew allen: No doubt
Daryll Mcbain
If Harper did this the Liberals would be rioting in the streets breaking stuff.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain: "If Harper did this the Liberals would be rioting in the streets breaking stuff."
Kinda like they did with the Duffy matter right?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/three-cabeint-ministers-mark-norman-1.5129957
Former Harper ministers MacKay, Kenney and O'Toole helped Vice-Admiral Norman's defence
Neither Crown nor defence revealed what information led to abandoning of Norman case
Three former federal cabinet ministers
have confirmed they spoke to Vice-Admiral Mark Norman's defence team
about information that may have been key to the Crown's decision to halt
the criminal prosecution of the military's former second-command.
Peter MacKay, who held the justice and defence portfolios, Erin O'Toole, the former veterans affairs minister, and Jason Kenney, the last defence minister in former prime minister Stephen Harper's government, all say they spoke to lawyers representing the career naval officer.
Norman was charged with a single count of breach of trust, kicking off a high-stakes political drama that reached a climax Wednesday when prosecutors stayed the charge.
CBC News reported Wednesday night that the case began to collapse in March — partly under the weight of information suppled by the ex-ministers and by several former Conservative government staffers who were key players in the previous government's decision in 2015 to lease a supply ship for the navy for $668 million.
Norman, the former head of the navy, was accused of leaking cabinet secrets on 12 occasions to the Davie Shipyard — the Levis, Que. operation which won the supply ship contract — and former CBC journalist James Cudmore.
None of the Conservatives were ever formally questioned by the RCMP or the Crown before the breach of trust charge was laid a year ago.
Both
MacKay and Kenney said they believe the information they gave the
defence factored into the eventual decision to stay the charge.
"Absolutely," MacKay told CBC News in a telephone interview from Minneapolis on Thursday, adding that his discussion with Norman's Toronto-based lawyer Marie Henein "was very involved." He said he made it clear to Henein that Norman was working with the full support of cabinet to deliver the temporary supply ship.
MacKay said he was contacted only once by the RCMP on the "very narrow issue" of an email exchange he had several years ago with Norman.
The National Post reported Thursday that Kenney also had a long conversation with Henein, which has since been confirmed by CBC News.
In an Instagram post, Kenney said that as minister of defence he "worked directly with then-commander of the navy, Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, to come up with an accelerated process which ended up with the cabinet deciding to sign a contract with Davie Shipyards to produce an interim joint supply ship."
The meeting with Norman's lawyers, he said, took place last year in Toronto and he "gave them information, which I believe would have helped with his exoneration had this case gone to trial."
O'Toole said he also spoke with the defence team, but does not believe what he said would have been material. He said he questions how critical the information provided to the defence by Conservatives was to the decision to stay the charge against Norman.
"I think it's a simplification to say that the defence questioned a few Conservatives and that led to this going away," he said.
The Crown "didn't question me and they clearly felt they had a case against Admiral Norman before," O'Toole added. "I really think it was the slow and deliberate delays by the Trudeau government on the release of information that Mark Norman needed to defend himself."
Neither the Crown nor the defence would say what information led to the case being abandoned.
Henein told reporters at a news conference on Wednesday that the information uncovered by her team was directly related to the lease contract four years ago.
The Conservatives faced attacks on social media on Thursday, with some suggesting they should have come forward sooner to help clear Norman's name.
O'Toole fired back, saying former prime minister Stephen Harper publicly offered to waive cabinet secrecy surrounding the agreement — something that was rejected by the Liberal government.
Arif Vernani, the Liberal parliamentary secretary for justice, accused O'Toole during question period today of trying to smear the Mounties.
"What I think is important to underscore is there are men and women in uniform, namely the RCMP, that took charge of the very investigation that he's impugning," he said. "And he's impugning the law enforcement officials and the independence of their work."
Henein
told reporters that the information the defence presented to the Crown
at the end of March was something that would have been in the possession
of federal bureaucrats — but was not shared with either the RCMP or the
Crown.
New Democrats have called for an inquiry to find out who withheld the information.
Norman said he wants to get back to work and the military's top commander has said he would welcome Norman's return.
"We have missed Vice-Admiral Norman a great deal and I look forward to welcoming him back to work as soon as possible," Vance said Wednesday.
The two have not met to discuss when that will happen, nor what job Norman would do once reinstated, said a spokesman in the office of the chief of the defence staff.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesPeter MacKay, who held the justice and defence portfolios, Erin O'Toole, the former veterans affairs minister, and Jason Kenney, the last defence minister in former prime minister Stephen Harper's government, all say they spoke to lawyers representing the career naval officer.
Norman was charged with a single count of breach of trust, kicking off a high-stakes political drama that reached a climax Wednesday when prosecutors stayed the charge.
CBC News reported Wednesday night that the case began to collapse in March — partly under the weight of information suppled by the ex-ministers and by several former Conservative government staffers who were key players in the previous government's decision in 2015 to lease a supply ship for the navy for $668 million.
Norman, the former head of the navy, was accused of leaking cabinet secrets on 12 occasions to the Davie Shipyard — the Levis, Que. operation which won the supply ship contract — and former CBC journalist James Cudmore.
None of the Conservatives were ever formally questioned by the RCMP or the Crown before the breach of trust charge was laid a year ago.
"Absolutely," MacKay told CBC News in a telephone interview from Minneapolis on Thursday, adding that his discussion with Norman's Toronto-based lawyer Marie Henein "was very involved." He said he made it clear to Henein that Norman was working with the full support of cabinet to deliver the temporary supply ship.
MacKay said he was contacted only once by the RCMP on the "very narrow issue" of an email exchange he had several years ago with Norman.
The National Post reported Thursday that Kenney also had a long conversation with Henein, which has since been confirmed by CBC News.
Document delays frustrated defence: O'Toole
In an Instagram post, Kenney said that as minister of defence he "worked directly with then-commander of the navy, Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, to come up with an accelerated process which ended up with the cabinet deciding to sign a contract with Davie Shipyards to produce an interim joint supply ship."
The meeting with Norman's lawyers, he said, took place last year in Toronto and he "gave them information, which I believe would have helped with his exoneration had this case gone to trial."
O'Toole said he also spoke with the defence team, but does not believe what he said would have been material. He said he questions how critical the information provided to the defence by Conservatives was to the decision to stay the charge against Norman.
"I think it's a simplification to say that the defence questioned a few Conservatives and that led to this going away," he said.
The Crown "didn't question me and they clearly felt they had a case against Admiral Norman before," O'Toole added. "I really think it was the slow and deliberate delays by the Trudeau government on the release of information that Mark Norman needed to defend himself."
Smearing the Mounties?
Neither the Crown nor the defence would say what information led to the case being abandoned.
Henein told reporters at a news conference on Wednesday that the information uncovered by her team was directly related to the lease contract four years ago.
The Conservatives faced attacks on social media on Thursday, with some suggesting they should have come forward sooner to help clear Norman's name.
O'Toole fired back, saying former prime minister Stephen Harper publicly offered to waive cabinet secrecy surrounding the agreement — something that was rejected by the Liberal government.
Arif Vernani, the Liberal parliamentary secretary for justice, accused O'Toole during question period today of trying to smear the Mounties.
"What I think is important to underscore is there are men and women in uniform, namely the RCMP, that took charge of the very investigation that he's impugning," he said. "And he's impugning the law enforcement officials and the independence of their work."
New Democrats have called for an inquiry to find out who withheld the information.
Norman said he wants to get back to work and the military's top commander has said he would welcome Norman's return.
"We have missed Vice-Admiral Norman a great deal and I look forward to welcoming him back to work as soon as possible," Vance said Wednesday.
The two have not met to discuss when that will happen, nor what job Norman would do once reinstated, said a spokesman in the office of the chief of the defence staff.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-working-with-harper-1.5128872
Information from former Conservative cabinet ministers helped put an end to Norman case
'It's a complex legal charge ... We didn’t have the entire information,' Crown says
The
Crown's case against Vice-Admiral Mark Norman unexpectedly began to
collapse in March partly under the weight of information from several
former Conservative cabinet ministers and staffers, CBC News has
learned.
They were key players in the previous government's $668 million deal to have the Davie Shipyard, in Levis, Que., convert and lease a supply ship to the navy, say multiple sources, some of whom were interviewed by a lawyer representing the former vice-chief of the defence staff.
These individuals were never questioned by the RCMP or the Crown in the run-up to a breach of trust charge being laid against Norman a year ago.
The former commander of the navy was accused of leaking cabinet secrets on 12 separate occasions, almost all of them involving the period of time prior to the last election.
What became clear — throughout the process — was that Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office in order to make the deal happen.
"There was a political will to get this done," said one former Conservative staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, who was intimately familiar with the project at the outset.
As
the case against Norman developed, many members of the former
government expected the Mounties to come knocking. But they never did,
said the staffer.
Allusions to the involvement of Harper's office were sprinkled through court records in interviews with federal bureaucrats conducted by the RCMP, but the extent to which the former commander of the navy worked with them was not made clear.
The Crown acknowledged Wednesday that it did not have the full picture when it decided to charge the 38-year military veteran.
"It's a complex legal charge," said lead Crown attorney Barbara Mercier. "We didn't have the entire information."
The new evidence, gathered by Norman's lawyers and presented to the Crown on March 28, included some documents which were not uncovered during the investigation, something Norman's lead defence lawyer blamed on government obstruction.
"It should have been handed over," Marie Henein told reporters. "It should have been handed over to the prosecution. It was not. As to the why, I don't know. I leave you to answer that."
The Crown announced earlier today that it had stayed the charge against Norman, saying new information had come to light through Norman's defence team that convinced the prosecution there was no longer a reasonable chance of conviction.
Norman was accused of leaking to both an executive at the Davie Shipyard and to a CBC journalist.
Defence
Minister Harjit Sajjan also announced Wednesday the federal government
would be paying Norman's legal fees. A private crowdsourcing initiative
already has raised more than $400,000 for Norman's defence.
The prosecution said Norman's actions were inappropriate and secretive, but that doesn't mean a crime was committed.
"Inappropriate does not mean criminal," said Mercier.
A breach-of-trust charge can be laid against an appointed or elected official discharging a public duty.
To convict, the Crown must prove the accused person's conduct represented a "serious and marked" departure from the standards expected in that position, and that the accused acted outside the public interest towards a dishonest, partial, corrupt or oppressive purpose.
They were key players in the previous government's $668 million deal to have the Davie Shipyard, in Levis, Que., convert and lease a supply ship to the navy, say multiple sources, some of whom were interviewed by a lawyer representing the former vice-chief of the defence staff.
These individuals were never questioned by the RCMP or the Crown in the run-up to a breach of trust charge being laid against Norman a year ago.
The former commander of the navy was accused of leaking cabinet secrets on 12 separate occasions, almost all of them involving the period of time prior to the last election.
What became clear — throughout the process — was that Norman was working in close cooperation with staff in former prime minister Stephen Harper's office in order to make the deal happen.
"There was a political will to get this done," said one former Conservative staffer, speaking on condition of anonymity, who was intimately familiar with the project at the outset.
Allusions to the involvement of Harper's office were sprinkled through court records in interviews with federal bureaucrats conducted by the RCMP, but the extent to which the former commander of the navy worked with them was not made clear.
The Crown acknowledged Wednesday that it did not have the full picture when it decided to charge the 38-year military veteran.
"It's a complex legal charge," said lead Crown attorney Barbara Mercier. "We didn't have the entire information."
'It should have been handed over'
The new evidence, gathered by Norman's lawyers and presented to the Crown on March 28, included some documents which were not uncovered during the investigation, something Norman's lead defence lawyer blamed on government obstruction.
"It should have been handed over," Marie Henein told reporters. "It should have been handed over to the prosecution. It was not. As to the why, I don't know. I leave you to answer that."
The Crown announced earlier today that it had stayed the charge against Norman, saying new information had come to light through Norman's defence team that convinced the prosecution there was no longer a reasonable chance of conviction.
Norman was accused of leaking to both an executive at the Davie Shipyard and to a CBC journalist.
The prosecution said Norman's actions were inappropriate and secretive, but that doesn't mean a crime was committed.
"Inappropriate does not mean criminal," said Mercier.
A breach-of-trust charge can be laid against an appointed or elected official discharging a public duty.
To convict, the Crown must prove the accused person's conduct represented a "serious and marked" departure from the standards expected in that position, and that the accused acted outside the public interest towards a dishonest, partial, corrupt or oppressive purpose.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mark-norman-breach-trust-charge-dropped-1.5127463
'I acted with integrity': Mark Norman claims exoneration after Crown stays breach-of-trust charge
Crown says there is no longer a reasonable prospect of conviction against the military's former 2nd in command
Vice-Admiral Mark Norman said today he's pleased to be "exonerated of any wrongdoing" but is disappointed by the "alarming and protracted bias" in his breach-of-trust case.
During a news conference in Ottawa following the announcement that the Public Prosecution Service of Canada would be staying a single breach-of-trust charge against him, Norman said he has no regrets about his conduct.
"I am confident that at all times I acted with integrity, I acted ethically and I acted in the best interests of the Royal Canadian Navy, the Canadian Forces and, ultimately, the people of Canada," he said.
Norman had been accused of leaking cabinet secrets in relation to a $668-million shipbuilding deal to lease a supply vessel. He was accused of leaking to both an executive at the Davie Shipyard in Levis, Que., which leased a supply ship to the navy, and to a CBC journalist.
Norman said he is now looking forward to getting back to work, but is disappointed it took this long.
"The alarming and protracted bias of perceived guilt across the senior levels of government has been quite damaging and the emotional and financial impacts of the entire ordeal have taken a toll," he said.
Norman said he has an "important story" to tell Canadians, which he will be sharing in the coming days.
The Crown announced earlier today that it had stayed the charge, adding that new information that had come to light through Norman's defence team convinced the prosecution that there was no longer a reasonable chance of conviction.
Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan announced today the federal government would be paying Norman's legal fees. A private crowdsourcing initiative already has raised more than $400,000 for Norman's defence.
The prosecution said Norman's actions were inappropriate and secretive, but that doesn't mean a crime was committed.
"Inappropriate does not mean criminal," said Barbara Mercier, the lead prosecutor.
A breach-of-trust charge can be laid against an appointed or elected official discharging a public duty.
To convict, the Crown must prove the accused person's conduct represented a "serious and marked" departure from the standards expected in that position, and that the accused acted outside the public interest towards a dishonest, partial, corrupt or oppressive purpose.
Watch: How the Vice-Admiral Mark Norman story unfolded this morning
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How the Norman trial unfolded Wednesday morning
"This was a very complex case ... I cannot get into the specifics of that information. The defence counsel gave it to us under certain conditions for our purposes only," she said.
"But I will say that, absorbing it, comparing it to investigation materials, we came to that conclusion, that there's no probable prospect of conviction."
Mercier insisted that there was no political interference in the case.
"The Department of Public Prosecutions decided to lay the charge, and they decided today, we decided alone, without political interference whatsoever, that we couldn't make the charge," she said.
Asked when he intends to return to work as he left the courthouse, Norman replied, "As soon as I possibly can."
'Bittersweet' outcome
His lawyer Marie Henein issued a statement on his behalf, calling the Crown's decision "bittersweet" because the personal cost to Norman and his family from the two-year legal battle can never be repaid.
"It has been difficult and demoralizing," the statement reads. "We have resilient institutions in this country and eventually those institutions got to the right result. But let's not forget, that only came after a long and hard fight and at great personal cost to Vice-Admiral Norman."
Watch: Vice-Admiral Mark Norman's full press conference with lawyer Marie Henein
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Vice-Admiral Mark Norman spoke to reporters after charge dropped
"No person in this country should ever walk into a courtroom and think they are fighting their elected government or any sort of political factors at all," she said.
The high-profile, politically charged case saw the Liberal government face allegations of political interference from both the Opposition Conservatives and Norman's defence team.
The defence had claimed, in both arguments and court filings, that the Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office had attempted to orchestrate the prosecution of the case.
The defence also alleged that former Treasury Board president Scott Brison tried to kill the lease deal with the Davie shipyard in Levis, Que. on behalf of rival Irving Shipbuilding in his home province of Nova Scotia.
The Liberal government, the public prosecution service and Brison have all denied the accusations, which were made in court and in court filings.
NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh called for an independent investigation of how the case was handled.
"What we've seen in this case is some deep concerns around a cosy relationship between the Liberal government and the Irving companies. We've heard concerns around Scott Brison's implication and involvement, and we also heard some allegations of direct political interference of the Prime Minister's Office in the handling of this case," he said.
"The process involved in a public prosecution like this is entirely independent of my office," he said.
"It's an independent process and we have confidence in the work done by the director of public prosecutions."
At Norman's pre-trial hearings, his defence team accused the government of blocking access to documents. Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer accused Trudeau today of trying to destroy Norman's reputation and career because the vice-admiral "stood up to him."
"We still have lots of questions about why the government was so afraid of the truth coming to light, why they withheld documents, why they refused to hand over information that Mark Norman and his lawyer were asking for to help clear his name and shed light on this," he said.
Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussel issued a statement that said the Crown concluded it could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Norman's conduct in this case amounted to a "serious and marked departure from the standards expected of a person in his position of trust." That decision was based on the evidence, the law and the "principles regarding reasonable prospect of conviction," she said.
No political influence
"No other factors were considered in this decision, nor was there any contact or influence from outside the PPSC, including political influence in either the initial decision to prosecute Mr. Norman or in the decision to stay the charge today," Roussel said.
Andrew Leslie, a retired lieutenant-general who was elected in 2015, announced May 1 he was stepping away from politics after one term as a Liberal MP. It was reported last week that Leslie would be testifying for Norman's defence.
When Norman arrived at the Ottawa courthouse Wednesday morning, Leslie was there to greet him.
CBC News caught up with Chantier Davie CEO Spencer Fraser outside the courtroom Wednesday. He said there will be an opportunity to speak more about the case as it "gets more explored."
"Today, I want to talk about the fact that justice has been served and Mark Norman is innocent, as we've always said he is," he said.
One other person has been charged in relation to the alleged leak of cabinet information. Matthew Matchett, a federal procurement official who was named in documents related to Norman's defence, was charged with a single count of breach of trust in February. He pleaded not guilty at a hearing in March and elected to stand trial by judge and jury.
The Crown's decision to abandon the case spares the Liberal government potential embarrassment at a critical time. Norman's trial was to begin in August, just weeks before the federal election campaign is set to begin.
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