David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others Methinks the Irving shill Johnny "Never Been Good" Horton and everybody else knows who rules Fat Fred City So its no surprise that its all over but the crying for the very useless "Heritage" people N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos@DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos@alllibertynews and 49 others Methinks truly comical after the writ is dropped to see 2 of my evil political foes Johnny
Hortonand Marguerite Deschamps debate each other within CBC while referring to my work and words N'esy Pas?
The
Risteen building was built in the 1820s and was the first cut stone
building in New Brunswick. In the 1870s it became the Risteen Sash and
Door Factory. (Provincial Archives)
The Risteen building in downtown Fredericton will not be given a heritage designation and may soon be demolished.
City
council voted down a motion to designate the building 5-4 at Monday
night's council meeting. One councillor was absent and two were not
involved in the initial vote.
"I'm shocked and I'm disappointed
with my council colleagues," said Coun. Kate Rogers, who voted in favour
of the motion. "I think it's very short-sighted."
The
Risteen building, at the corner of Queen and Smythe streets, was built
in the 1820s and was the first cut stone building in New Brunswick. In
the 1870s it became the Risteen Sash and Door Factory.
The fate of the historic building has been in question for months.
Developer
Gabriel El-Zayat owns the adjacent properties, which have already been
demolished, and plans to build an apartment complex on the site. He
applied for a demolition permit for the Risteen building in April.
That's when the city issued a stop-work order to consider whether it
should come under the Heritage Preservation Bylaw.
The
surrounding buildings have already been demolished but a stop work
order was issued for the Risteen building in April, until its heritage
value could be assessed. (Mike Heenan/CBC)
Several councillors said they struggled with the decision at Monday night's meeting.
"In
this matter it's important to me that we make the right decision for
the city and especially the right decision for taxpayers," said Coun.
Stephen Chase. "It's not an easy decision."
Chase said it was concerning to designate the property after it had been purchased by the developer.
"I
think it sends a strong negative message to anyone who owns a potential
heritage property that they could be subjected to the same treatment,"
he said.
The historic Risteen House is at risk of being torn down to accommodate an apartment complex. (Mike Heenan/CBC)
Council deferred the decision several times to give the developer time to incorporate the building into the new development.
According
to a letter sent to the city from El-Zayat, the cost to preserve the
stone façade in the new development was estimated at $685,000.
El-Zayat
declined to comment but did tell reporters as he left the council
chambers that "they definitely made the right decision."
Ken
Forrest, the city's director of planning and development, said the
stop-work order on the demolition of the building will now be lifted.
"The
property owner owns the structure," Forrest said. "They have the right
to demolish unless there is some bylaw that prevents its demolition. In
this case there's nothing preventing it, so it is the right of the
developer to make that application and for him to receive the permit."
Forrest said the demolition permit can take anywhere from a few days to a couple of weeks to be granted.
"Chase said it was concerning to designate the property after it had been purchased by the developer." Exactly.
Samual Johnston
Reply to @Aaron
James: yet all property that gets designated has that happen after
someone has bought it. Maybe not in this time frame but still
designating private property as historic happens
Pete Prosser
If
you nominate and elect young councilors who could care less about
history, then all of the history is subject to demolition. Small town
wants new things , but someday someone will question the logic of
trashing what had been saved for so long in the game and those who
decided so.
Al Clark
Reply to @pete prosser: couldn't
Harold Wood
Reply to @pete prosser: Seems especially if it is English history being erased.
Emilien Forest
Reply to @pete
prosser: Some council members wanted to keep a building which was
falling apart at the seams but were more than willing to chip away at
Officer's Square. Not a whole lot of intelligence sitting at these
meetings.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Emilien Forest:
The difference is officers square is public land, the building if
preserved would be the responsibility of an individual or a group and
only cost the city some property tax.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Emilien Forest: When do you plan to run for council?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham McCormack: should everyone who posts an opinion here plan to run for council?
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: If all you do is complain then yes.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Graham McCormack:
I look for2ard to seeing your name on the ballot in the spring,
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Johnny Horton: I'm not complaining.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham McCormack: then most who posts here should plan to run for political office.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Methonks we all need to run forever and lose forever nesy pas?
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: my point is; do not rely on the government or anybody else to
make it for you. You must ake the initiative.
McKenzie King
About time one council made a sensible decision about buildings.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @McKenzie King:
It’s not about the building, it’s about more property taxes, to build outdoor rinks and give themselves raises.
Terrance Thomasen
Progress stops for no one. Happy that council is looking forward and improving Fredericton
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Terrance Thomasen:
How does some $2k a month condo improve Fredericton?
Q
Johnny
Horton
The “keep the building” faction should have found a French or indigenous connection to the cut stone.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: I'm on your side for saving this building, but you I have to
admit that you are trying hard to make me change my mind.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
You are saying it ain’t so? Really? You aren’t that naive.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Actually I agree with chase it’s too late to save the building, council
failed on this issue by not doing their due diligence and having
buildings thst should be preserved designated so.
Which will happen again within a year with yet another building because
they still won’t do their job and have things done first.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: then how about you do something about it? Purchase the building
and have a fundraising to save it as les acadiens did with la cathédrale
l'Assomption in Moncton? The governments did not give a cent on it as
they did for the Irish Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Saint
John.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Someone probably would have bought the building had they known it’s fate.
These mass area land deals like in this case. Isn’t done usually on the
open market. A developer approaches the land owners, they don’t sit and
wait for the neighbouring lot to become on the market,
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: when there's a will, there's a way. La cathédrale l'Assomption
would have been torn down long ago if les acadiens had relied on the
government.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: as opposed to you, I have facts to back my assertions up unlike
you with oneliners such as "You are saying it ain’t so? Really? You
aren’t that naive". It is so! I just gave you the cathedral example.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Johnny Horton: The building was for sale for years.
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Graham
McCormack: ir was? Then Johnny had ample opportunity to buy it and start
a fundraising to preserve it. As the saying goes: "Coulda, woulda,
shoulda".
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Graham McCormack:
Honestly, I don’t think anyone really knew the history of the building,
it was never talked about in downtown Fredericton on the streets,q
That’s a failure of past councils to help preserve our history through education and publicity,
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
I’m not sure why you’re insist I buy the building. I’ve never said it should be saved...
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: for one who claims that he never said that the building should
be saved, you sure have a lot to say about the council making the
decision to let it be demolished.
Johnny
Horton
I
wonder how many on council even knew almost the whole city burnt down in
1825 and this was one of the few buildings to survive.
Murray Brown
Not sure who's running against the current mayor and councilors in the next municipal election, but hopefully they win.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Murray Brown:
Sadly even if they lose, the damage is already done, the new council
will be committed to the disasters of an outdoor oval st officers square
and the $9m price tag, if they want it or not,
Murray Brown
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: ... That job and the skateboard park can be cancelled... Just
ask Higgs... He's cancelled plenty of projects throughout the province.
New justice complex in progress? Cancelled!... New school?
Cancelled!... New highway on route 11 already in progress... Cancelled!
If a new mayor and council says NO, then the city staff must comply.
They don't have a say.
Johnny
Horton
Reply to @Murray Brown:
Hard to cancel an already chopped down tree.
Mac Isaac
For
all those who think this vote is ridiculous, shortsighted, etc. I
suggest that the voters work to "un-elect" every last one of
them...including the mayor! I know there will be many who think this is
either a good idea (to not give the Risteen heritage designation) or it
doesn't really matter, this is simply another "no biggee" issue while to
those many who would have liked to see the Risteen preserved it's a
major BIGGEE!! If the people of Fredericton want to take back control of
their city, it's high time they started to work together to do
that...otherwise it will just be outside developers coming in and
scrubbing Fredericton's history. For me, I support some development
(even by outside developers) but not at the expense of some of the
reasons many of us moved here to begin with. I emphatically don't want
to see a return to the do-nothing days of Bill Walker et al, but I also
don't relish the idea of sweeping aside all vestiges of Fredericton's
past.
Tim Biddiscombe:
Reply to @Mac Isaac: We actually sweep aside few vestiges.
Jim Cyr
So
the "newcomers" to New Brunswick come to town, buy the 200 year old
buildings and tear them down. Council says fine. Fredericton truly has
zero pride of culture any longer. It just worships dollars. Sad.
Well, I will be boycotting Fredericton from now on.........no more
dollars from me! Heritage = tourism = dollars. Guess the councilors
who voted in the majority are too dumb to realize this.
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Jim Cyr: Do you know the owner of this building?
Tim Biddiscombe:
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Gabe has been a tax paying citizen of Fredericton for many years. He
invests in our community . Don't think the city will notice your
boycott. Fredericton has plenty of enviable heritage ..that place is
quite an ugly building actually.
Archie Levesque
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Tim Biddiscombe:
So? Is that what society and life has become? The bigger the investor the better?
I sit really sll just about who pays the most taxes.
Like that gallant guy in Moncton calling up councillors because a tenant
of his in trouble over a patio, flashing his money and importance to
the city around,
We are better than that. Or st least should be,
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jim Cyr:
Don’t eorry Jim, apparently the can’t read and miss nuance eith your quotes around newcomers.
Jim Cyr
Reply to @Johnny
Horton: The future!! Progress!! To heck with our past, who we were, and
who we are. There are people from all over the world who should run New
Brunswick. Who are WE to say that they can't??
Bob Smith If
the building was designated historical BEFORE the developer bought it,
there wouldn't be an issue. However, if the city moved to designate the
building after acquisition and didn't want to pay the renovation, the
developer could sue the city for seven figures easily.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Bob Smith:
Then I guess council should have done their job BEFORE it got to this point,
Jonas Smith God I'd give anything to have Woodside back.
Johnny Horton
Reply to @Jonas Smith:
Nah he’s the one that bred this whole lot.
Greg Windsor Gee
Fredericton, seems history and heritage mean nothing to you at all ...
just remember, once it is gone that is it, no turning back. I hope those
on Heritage start thinking twice about what they are doing....
Risteen building demolished after heritage designation denied
Pile of rubble remains from building constructed nearly two centuries ago
CBC News ·
The historic Risteen building was demolished over two days. (Gary Moore/CBC)
The historic Risteen building in Fredericton, N.B., has been demolished.
After Fredericton city council voted down a motion Sept. 9 to give the building heritage designation, the owner proceeded with plans to tear it down.
The
city confirmed the building, located at the corner of Queen and Smythe
streets, came down over two days. The wooden section came down on
Thursday and the stone section on Friday.
All that remains at the fenced site is a large pile of rubble.
The Risteen building was torn down this week to make way for an apartment complex. (Mike Heenan/CBC)
The
building was built in the 1820s and was the first cut-stone building in
New Brunswick. In the 1870s, it became the Risteen Sash and Door
Factory.
The building's fate has been in question for months.
Developer
Gabriel El-Zayat owns the adjacent properties, which have already been
demolished, and plans to build an apartment complex on the site.
He
applied for a demolition permit for the Risteen building in April.
That's when the city issued a stop-work order to consider whether it
should come under heritage preservation rules.
The stop-work order on the demolition of the building was lifted after the motion was defeated in a 5-4 vote.
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