Sunday 29 September 2019

What Brexit? Why Andrew Scheer seems reluctant to talk about the project he once called 'cool'

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Replying to @alllibertynews and 49 others
Methinks this is a hugely comical Trust that everybody knows Boris and I have been dicing for years because I sued our Queen when Harper was Scheer's boss Anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas? 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-brexit-conservative-european-union-1.5300467





What Brexit? Why Andrew Scheer seems reluctant to talk about the project he once called 'cool'






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David Raymond Amos
Methinks this is a hugely comical part of the Circus. Trust that Harper 2.0 and everybody else knows that Boris and I have been dicing for years because I sued our Queen when Harper was Scheer's boss Anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?

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The comment above got buried quickly so I posted it again in the "Most liked" thread


This was the second "Most liked" thread



Chas Stuart
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Scheer is a naive fool when it comes to foreign affairs why listen to him at all. 


David Raymond Amos  
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Reply to @Chas Stuart: Methinks it good for a lot laughs to listen one of the most important clowns performing at the circus N'esy Pas? 















Gorden Feist
And y thinks Brexit (an excuse for the UK to leave the EU so billionaires can avoid taxes) is cool.
He's buddies with Kenney (who uses taxpayer dollars to fib to the public via his "war-room")
He's the only federal leader unconcerned about climate.
The warning signs are there. Andy would be a disaster for this country. The middle class would suffer along with the environment while the billionaires laugh all the way to climate extinction.



David Raymond Amos  
Reply to @Gorden Feist: Methinks this is a hugely comical part of the Circus. Trust that Harper 2.0 and everybody else knows that Boris and I have been dicing for years because I sued our Queen when Harper was Scheer's boss Anyone can Google the following N'esy Pas?

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James Holden
Scheer supports the disaster that is Brexit.
He doesn't care about the deleterious effects it will have on their general population.
Brexit is at it's core a tax dodging scheme for the rich, to keep their tax havens that EU legislation will clamp down on.
Harp/Scheer is just fine with that. 



David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @James Holden: Methinks to be fair you should admit that Harp/Scheer doesn't care what you think N'esy Pas? 















April Wong
Seriously CBC? This is important Canadian news during an election? Trudeau doesn’t answer any questions...please Enough bias 


Mo Bennett 
Reply to @april wong: yes, it is! it is a demo of what yer gonna git, if y'all elect this yahoo.


Bort Smith
Reply to @mo bennett:
You can't elect the PM. That's not how it works.


Bort Smith 
Reply to @april wong:
It's like they're not even trying to hide it anymore.


Mo Bennett 
Reply to @Bort Smith: you can't elect a PM? but you can elect a MP.


David Raymond Amos  
Reply to @april wong: Methinks its rather obvious that many of peoplekind strongly disagree with you N'esy Pas? 


David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks peoplekind must admire your wisdom N'esy Pas? 


Tanner Moorman
Reply to @april wong: You might want to read the article instead of fake outraging at the headline.


April Wong 
Reply to @Tanner Moorman: I did read the article and have been following Brexit quite closely from reading up in the UK media...it is quite interesting how loud people get when they don't agree with someones educated opinions and observations...Trudeau is an embarrassment to us globally yet the MSM wants to throw someone over the coals for an opinion on Brexit, from 3 years ago, sheesh....

David Raymond Amos  
Reply to @april wong: YO Madame Wong What am I chopped liver? Howcome you answer the Tanner dude so promptly?















Kimmy Smith
Conservatives hate all global organizations because they have no historical awareness of their importance.


Kimmy Smith 
Reply to @Mayna Rose Rose Westcott: All they do is whine about "globalists" and spew nonsense though.

Mo Bennett 
Reply to @Kimmy Smith: mostly because they don't know what they are. and can't be bothered to find out.


David Raymond Amos  
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks its obvious that some of peoplekind agree that you made a profound observation N'esy Pas?


David Raymond Amos   
Reply to @Kimmy Smith: Where did the lady of two Roses go?














MASSEY JONES
We can't blame Andrew Scheer for not wanting to touch the subject with a 10-foot pole.
Mainly, because the press will press the fact that he's now meddling in another nation's problem.

One more factor, could be that in vote-rich 905 Ontario (the Golden Triangle region), there is a lot of "blue money", from people with roots to Great Britain in particular and Europe, in general.

So, he's letting Boris Johnson, work his local version of MAGA.
And we're about to find out that Andrew Scheer is not as flashy as Justin Trudeau, when it comes to marching in public events, such as parades of every description.

I dare opine that he's even more private by nature, than Stephen Harper.
Right now, we find him in front of crowds, because "it's necessary to be there".



Michele McLean
Reply to @MASSEY JONES:
Indeed, he is so not a leader, that I suspect if he becomes PM, it will really be his wife running the country - did you read that Globe and Mail piece? 

 

David Raymond Amos  Reply to @MASSEY JONES: Methinks Harper 2.0 brought it up in the first place when it behoved him to do so N'esy Pas?  


MASSEY JONES
Reply to @Michele McLean:
I felt that you deserved an answer and it's done with due respect to your post.

You wrote:
"Indeed, he is so not a leader, that I suspect if he becomes PM, it will really be his wife running the country - did you read that Globe and Mail piece?"

It piqued my curiosity and I went to the article, which I think you got it from.
Her's what it said"
«Who else but a one per center with essentially free housing could afford to have a stay-at-home spouse and five children? Not the real “Canadian everyman of 2019,” who’s likely living in a one-bedroom condo in downtown Toronto or Vancouver wondering if and when he and his working spouse can ever afford one child, let alone five. (The average Canadian family now has 1.56 children and there at last report there were only 493,000 families in Canada with a single earner and stay-at-home parent, a third the number in 1976.)»

No mention of the missus.
It DID mention that she was a "stay-at-home" wife, looking after 5 children.
And that's about as far as it will go, Andrew Scheer is not some kind of newbie.
At 40, he's been in politics since 2004, when he ran in a Saskatchewan riding and defeated a high profile NDP candidate. Then, he served as House Speaker, elected by acclamation, before surviving the gruelling leadership race, which took more than a dozen ballots and you might have followed as I did, barely beating Maxime Bernier at the end.

Personally, I don't vote for the party, but for the man.
And, in our riding, the man who, one day, even gave his shirt away to someone who needed it, just passed away and I now have to assess the new guy.



MASSEY JONES

Reply to @MASSEY JONES:
Following a reply to @Michele McLean for my post, I should have written:
"No mention of the missus dabbling in Canadian politics".
More accurate.
 
 
David Raymond Amos
Reply to @MASSEY JONES: HMMM











Myles Grant
It is now three years since the Brexit vote....Many young Brits, Who tend to support the EU, can now vote. Many older people, who supported Brexit 3 years ago, have since died. So if the Brexit vote were held today, The result would probably be completely different. And as it is the young people who will have to live their whole life with the results of the Brexit vote, then they should have a chance to have their opinion heard. No wonder Scheer is backing away from his earlier support of this disastrous brexit vote. 
 

David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @Myles Grant: Yea Right














Rona Vain
cons skip over the fact Scheer has never talked to any world leader
the man is 100% untested. I can not see him going toe to toe with Trump and any world leader we do trade with and coming out ahead for Canada



David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @Rona Vain: Methinks the liberals want to ignore the fact that I sued the Queen in 2015 when Harper was the boss and Scheer was the Speaker even though your leader Mr Prime Minister Trudeau The Younger is mentioned within the statement of claim in Federal Court (File no. T-1557-15 statement no. 83 to be exact) N'esy Pas?













Brad Arvisais
This is a tough and cruel world, I think we're all stronger together. I don't quite understand this go it alone mentality that some conservatives are in love with.
 

David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @Brad Arvisais: Methinks at least the conservative love the circus just like everybody else does. In a dog eat dog world we should be grateful that the clowns can put on quite a comical tragedy even if it at the expense of our rights and interests N'esy Pas?














Rona Vain
what were those con rules to post again
1) attack Trudeau all the time even if not in the story
2) attack any Liberals mentioned in the story
3) attack the messenger if it shows Scheer in a bad light
4) Never defend Scheer just attack everyone all the time to deflect
5) post under as many names as you can and say the same thing to give the illusion of support
6) repeat as many times as you can



David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Rona Vain: My name is for real and I am running for public office for the 7th time against all the political parties. I Googled your name and came up with nobody. Go Figure 













Mo Bennett
wasn't there a batman foil called two-face? maybe he was Andy's childhood hero.


David Raymond Amos 
Reply to @mo bennett: YO MO Methinks you lost some fans over that supposition N'esy Pas?
















Eileen Kinley
Scheer's response when confronted with his own poor judgement (while refusing to acknowledge it) Um, uh, um, ah....

Does Scheer support the Brexiteers' misinformation campaign during the referendum?

Oh, and he's cherry picking the China quote as the CPC did in 2015. Here is the full context

You know, there’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say ‘we need to go green fastest…we need to start investing in solar.’ I mean there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about of having a dictatorship that he can do everything he wanted that I find quite interesting.

But if I were to reach out and say which … which kind of administration I most admire, I think there’s something to be said right here in Canada for the way our territories are run. Nunavut, Northwest Territories, and the Yukon are done without political parties around consensus. And are much more like a municipal government. And I think there’s a lot to be said for people pulling together to try and solve issues rather than to score points off of each other. And I think we need a little more of that.

... but Sun News can now report that I prefer China.




David Raymond Amos
Reply to @Eileen Kinley: Never mind Sun News Do you recall the CBC article on the topic 6 years ago?

Justin Trudeau's 'foolish' China remarks spark anger
'It seems to be that he's not well-informed,' Asian-Canadian says of Liberal leader
CBC News · Posted: Nov 09, 2013 7:16 PM ET








What Brexit? Why Andrew Scheer seems reluctant to talk about the project he once called 'cool'

Once Canada’s keenest Brexiteer, Scheer now avoids the topic



Andrew Scheer once thought it wise to throw his wholehearted support behind the project to take the United Kingdom out of the European Union. But the Conservative Leader who once called Brexit "cool" may be regretting his choice of words now.

It's safe to say Brexit hasn't gone as planned. The project has devolved into an all-consuming constitutional crisis in the U.K. — polarizing the nation, endangering its economy and holding it up to worldwide scorn.

The damage sustained by Brand Britain has cut deep. The referendum that was supposed to cleanly separate the U.K. from the EU now risks causing the break-up of the United Kingdom itself and undoing a fragile peace in Ireland.


Last week saw scenes of unprecedented rancour in Britain's Parliament, with MPs accusing Prime Minister Boris Johnson of putting their lives in danger with his rhetoric.

They're not exaggerating the potential for violence in the Brexit debate. One anti-Brexit MP, Jo Cox, was murdered by a right-wing extremist days before the EU referendum in 2016.

The toxic imbroglio of the current Brexit debate appears to be distant from the "new, confident future" Scheer predicted in an article he wrote for the National Post in the days before the referendum.

Less than a year ago, Andrew Scheer was still publicly backing Brexit. He even went out of his way to flag his enthusiasm for the project on social media.



when I was pro-Brexit before it was cool. 😎🇬🇧http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/andrew-scheer-a-strong-britain-is-an-independent-britain 


These days, Scheer seems reluctant to touch the topic. But the fact that he stood almost alone among prominent Canadian federal politicians in his early and enthusiastic embrace of Brexit means he still faces questions about it on the federal election campaign trail from time to time.

To his credit, Scheer has not hidden from reporters' questions during this campaign. He has made himself more available to the media than Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau, whose tightly controlled campaign appearances and tightly scripted answers have frustrated reporters trying to cover him.


But Scheer tends to answer Brexit questions with anodyne statements about respecting the will of U.K. voters. Asked about his early support of Brexit during a media event in Thorold, Ont., on Sept. 24, Scheer quickly pivoted to attacking Trudeau's approach to foreign policy.

"Well, I will always support the ability for people to have their expressions on the democratic process within their country and will always support the country's ability to have control and autonomy over various various levels of policy," he said. "The British people had their say. It's up to British lawmakers now to navigate through that.

"If we want to look at foreign affairs positions, though, I continue to ask Justin Trudeau exactly what is it about China's basic dictatorship that he admires so much. What was he thinking during his trip to India? Why did he put out that eulogy for Fidel Castro?"



Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer says Canadians would get stronger international representation with him as prime minister. He spoke to reporters on the campaign trail in Thorold, Ont. 0:58

Two days later, in Montreal, Scheer gave roughly the same answer to a similar question.

"I've always supported the rights of nations to be able to chart their own course and have autonomy over their own systems," he said.



"I always support the rights of nations," Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said when asked about his position on Brexit in Montreal. 0:56

Hindsight is 20-20, of course. Still, that National Post piece from June 2016 includes a few passages that point to the problems politicians can make for themselves when they dive into another nation's domestic politics.

This one, for example, hasn't aged well: "The Remain side tells Britons that a vote for exiting the EU is akin to choosing economic and political uncertainty ... It's a profoundly negative and simplistic vision that just happens to be wrong."

Foreign affairs is always a minefield for the unwary politician. A government led by NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh probably could expect to spend its first 13 months in office dealing with a United States still led by President Donald Trump — and might bitterly regret Singh's decision to say he hopes Trump "gets impeached."



NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh joked that he hopes Donald Trump "gets impeached." 1:08

The Trudeau government's decision to prod Saudi Arabia over its brutish treatment of detained human rights activist Samar Badawi caused a storm of reaction with very real consequences for Canadian diplomats, farmers and hospitals.

The Trudeau government might argue that the over-the-top reaction from the Saudis was impossible to predict, that the same issue had been raised many times by both Trudeau and Harper governments, and that it was a matter of principle anyway.

But the Trudeau government was still blindsided — a reminder that when leaders' opinions venture offshore, they're swimming in deep waters.
If Scheer is elected, of course, he might find himself dealing with Britain's pro-Brexit Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who might appreciate the stance Scheer once took.

Or he might find himself dealing with a very different government — one that would take a dim view of a foreign leader who once cheered from the sidelines while Britain's domestic rivals helped to plunge the country into crisis.

People make mistakes. Some politicians have turned past errors in judgment into advantages by addressing them head-on and convincing voters that they've learned from them. Maybe Scheer the Brexiteer has learned something and is simply calculating that the heat of an election campaign is not the best time for mea culpas.

It remains to be seen whether Scheer's embrace of Brexit matters to Canadian voters. But Canada's election day comes just 10 days before the deadline for Britain to finally leave the European Union.

So Scheer knows he'll have to fight this campaign against a backdrop of intense public interest in a political project he endorsed wholeheartedly — before it became an infamous debacle.

About the Author




Evan Dyer
Senior Reporter
Evan Dyer has been a journalist with CBC for 18 years, after an early career as a freelancer in Argentina. He works in the Parliamentary Bureau and can be reached at evan.dyer@cbc.ca

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