Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 49 others

Dominic Cardy knows there is no need for a long form answer. His cohorts know that on April, 2008 I explained the Charter to his lawyer buddies Kelly Lamrock and TJ Burke

https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/03/criticism-mounts-over-governments.html

#nbpoli #cdnpoli

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/french-immersion-survey-biased-1.5039735

Criticism mounts over government's 'biased' French immersion survey

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David Amos

"Cardy was not available for an interview to respond to the critics. He said last week he would not prejudge the outcome of the consultation. "That would undermine it if the minister said at the beginning what he wants to do," he said.

On social media, Cardy has rebutted complaints about biased questions. "If you don't like the questionnaire, send in long-form answers," he wrote. "That's why the option is there. Or get in touch with me directly."

YEA RIGHT

Trust that Dominic Cardy knows as well as I there is no need for a long form answer. He knows that on Thursday the 3rd of April 2008 I explained the Charter to his lawyer buddies Kelley Lamrock and TJ Burke. 11 years later I will argue it with Andrea Mason Anderson if enough folks want me to.

David Amos

@David Amos

The Charter clearly states the following.

23. (1) Citizens of Canada

a) whose first language learned and still understood is that of the
English or French linguistic minority population of the province in
which they reside, or

b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in
English or French and reside in a province where the language in which
they received that instruction is the language of the English or
French linguistic minority population of the province,

(2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving
primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in
Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and
secondary school instruction in the same language

(3) The right of citizens of Canada under subsections (1) and (2) to
have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction
in the language of the English or French linguistic minority
population of a province

a) applies wherever in the province the number of children of citizens
who have such a right is sufficient to warrant the provision to them
out of public funds of minority language instruction; and

b) includes, where the number of those children so warrants, the right
to have them receive that instruction in minority language educational
facilities provided out of public funds.

Get it?

George Smith

Poor English was accepted to teach French Immersion but poor French was unacceptable. That's still a fact in New Brunswick. Hence the real reason for Anglophone angst over bilingualism. It's not bilingualism if French children can't even ride on the same bus as English children. That's separatism.

Joseph Vacher

@George Smith exacly!

level the playing fields and maybe i'll give it a shot

Rosco holt

@George Smith
It was already tried, but failed when some parents complained about their kids hanging around the other linguistic community.

David Amos

@George Smith Methinks to be fair to all Mr Higgs and Mr Cardy should offer English Immersion in the French schools N'esy Pas?

Rosco holt

@David Amos
Why?
They already have English courses integrated in their curriculum.

While on the English side, government keeps moving Immersion to please some people.

Shawn Tabor

This survey is like a test, they will take the results and all the comments and apply it to yet another survey to achieve there goal. The next time it will be a little different but ultimately lead to their means or what they really want to accomplish. If this story or article is even true, it’s hard to know any more. We saw this last week in the Federal government. They will go to great lengths to protect or give influential people or groups, companies what they want, at the expense of the average working, tax paying citizen. Law is a joke, when the Judges are appointed or the recovering Lawyer terminology. They have been doing this for a very long time. Might change someday.

David Amos

@Shawn Tabor Welcome back to the Circus

Criticism mounts over government's 'biased' French immersion survey

Questions designed to lead people to certain responses, say data specialists and other critics

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Mar 04, 2019 4:00 AM AT

Education Minister Dominic Cardy says he wants to base decisions about French immersion on data and the public's response. (Gilles Landry/Radio-Canada)

There's a growing chorus of criticism that the provincial government's online survey on French immersion is biased and is designed to lead respondents to a specific result.

Experts and parents say the questions are misleading and incomplete, and some of them are accusing Education Minister Dominic Cardy of skewing the survey to justify moving the immersion entry point back to Grade 3.

"I feel that there is a plan in place that they hope to revert back to the third-grade entry point and they're looking for data to show that New Brunswickers want that," said Isabelle Agnew, a graduate student at the University of Alberta, who studies data and statistics.

"To do that, you word questions very particularly and you get the data you're looking for."

Sackville parent Rebecca Leaman, who plans to enrol her two children in French immersion, said the wording "kind of guides you to choose" answers that support the Grade 3 option.

"It was really just trying to reinforce a political agenda, which is fine, but they should state, 'This is our political agenda, do you agree with us or not?' rather than stating this is an unbiased survey."

Questions lacking information

Sandra Magalhaes, a research associate at the New Brunswick Institute for Research, Data and Training said the questions lack key information and that could lead respondents to choose answers they might not otherwise select.

"If I was to develop this survey, I definitely wouldn't word it that way," she said. "When I looked at the questions, I had a lot of questions about the data. When you're presenting data you need to be very complete about it."

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Is the provincial government's French immersion survey biased? Here's what a grad student had to say.

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Some New Brunswickers think the provincial government’s online survey on French immersion is biased and designed to lead respondents to a specific result. 0:56

She said someone filling out the online questionnaire is "assuming this is an accurate piece of data and you're not missing information."

Cardy announced a public consultation last week on French-second-language education. He said he's open to the possibility of moving the immersion entry point back to Grade 3 from Grade 1 to address teacher shortages and improve assessment results.

In opposition, the Progressive Conservatives loudly opposed a Liberal decision to move it from Grade 3 to Grade 1.

Do you have questions about New Brunswick's French immersion program?

French immersion entry point could switch again — here's what you need to know

Agnew said the online survey's questions cast the Grade 3 entry point in a positive light while using negative language for the Grade 1 option.

One question says that "only" 10 per cent of the students who entered immersion in Grade 1 in 2005 achieved advanced-level French or higher at the end of high school.

But that doesn't mention that many of those students didn't stay in immersion for the full 12 years, Agnew pointed out. Of the students who remained, 46.7 per cent were at advanced or higher, according to the province's 2017-18 assessments.

The question also doesn't say how many students reached an intermediate or intermediate-plus level.

But another question calls it a "documented success" that 92 per cent of students who started immersion in Grade 3 achieved the intermediate level.

Sandra Magalhaes, a research associate at UNB's New Brunswick Institute for Research, Data and Training, says she would question data based on the questions used in the government survey. (McGill University Health Centre Research Institute)

The implication is that Grade 1 entry is a failure and Grade 3 entry is a success, Agnew said, even though it's based on different ways of measuring.

"You're comparing apples to oranges, and it's hard for the average person to take in that information correctly," she said.

Magalhaes agreed. "The benchmark is different for those two questions. … If you're comparing across questions and numbers, it would have to be the same benchmark."

And while the other relevant data is available online in various locations, few respondents are likely to search for it and find it while filling out the questionnaire, she said.

"The context in which the survey is presented doesn't provide people with all the resources they need to answer the questions [based on] their own beliefs, or what they think."

Increased complaints

Liberal MLA Chuck Chiasson said he has heard complaints from many of his constituents that the online survey has been crafted to give the PCs a rationale for moving it back to Grade 3.

"It's very obvious to a lot of people what's going on here," he said. "It's totally biased toward the outcome that Minister Cardy is looking for. … I think it's a joke."

Another parent, Kirsten McKnight of Fredericton, said it's "so very obvious that the questions were leading. It seems like a very blatant attempt to justify switching the [entry] point back."

One question says that only 10 per cent of the students who entered immersion in Grade 1 in 2005 achieved advanced-level French or higher at the end of high school. It doesn't mention that many of those students didn't stay in immersion for the full 12 years. (Sherry Vivian/CBC)

Cardy was not available for an interview to respond to the critics. He said last week he would not prejudge the outcome of the consultation.

"That would undermine it if the minister said at the beginning what he wants to do," he said.
On social media, Cardy has rebutted complaints about biased questions.

"If you don't like the questionnaire, send in long-form answers," he wrote. "That's why the option is there. Or get in touch with me directly."

But Leaman said it's unlikely that most respondents will make that effort.

"We all know from doing surveys that checking boxes is the easiest thing to do."

'I don't think it's credible'

Cardy's department said in a written statement Friday afternoon that it has already heard from more than 6,850 people on the issue.

Agnew, who went through the French immersion program in Moncton-area schools, said she was "increasingly infuriated" as she went through the survey last week.

She noted that another question, on the shortage of teachers with the required proficiency to teach immersion, offers no other options on addressing the problem.

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"I don't think it's credible at all," she said. "I think any statistics that get pulled from this survey will be problematic at best."

Agnew said her own experience demonstrates how the statistics can be misleading: because of scheduling conflicts in high school, she was one course short of being considered an immersion graduate.

Even so, she has an advanced-plus assessment — but it doesn't show up in the statistics measuring the success of the program because she didn't officially finish immersion.

About the Author

Jacques Poitras

Provincial Affairs reporter

Jacques Poitras has been CBC's provincial affairs reporter in New Brunswick since 2000. Raised in Moncton, he also produces the CBC political podcast Spin Reduxit.

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---------- Original message ----------
From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 16:48:50 -0400
Subject: RE French Immersion versus the Charter Methinks my cousin
Megan Mitton and the Globe and Mail will ignore me a usual N'esy Pas
Mr Cardy?
To: alice.cotton@gnb.ca, letters@globeandmail.com, sfine
<sfine@globeandmail.com>, "andrea.anderson-mason"
<andrea.anderson-mason@gnb.ca>, "Dominic.Cardy"
<Dominic.Cardy@gnb.ca>, "blaine.higgs" <blaine.higgs@gnb.ca>,
"hugh.flemming" <hugh.flemming@gnb.ca>, "charles.murray"
<charles.murray@gnb.ca>, "Michel.Carrier" <Michel.Carrier@gnb.ca>,
"kris.austin" <kris.austin@gnb.ca>, "rick.desaulniers"
<rick.desaulniers@gnb.ca>, "michelle.conroy" <michelle.conroy@gnb.ca>,
"David.Coon" <David.Coon@gnb.ca>, "Mitton, Megan (LEG)"
<megan.mitton@gnb.ca>, "Arseneau, Kevin (LEG)"
<Kevin.A.Arseneau@gnb.ca>, "Holland, Mike (LEG)"
<mike.holland@gnb.ca>, "brian.gallant" <brian.gallant@gnb.ca>,
"denis.landry2" <denis.landry2@gnb.ca>, "robert.gauvin"
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From: "Mitton, Megan (LEG)" <Megan.Mitton@gnb.ca>
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 20:14:34 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: RE French Immersion versus the Charter
To: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>

Bonjour,

Je suis absente du bureau, au retour le 12 mars 2019. Vous pouvez
communiquer avec ma coordinatrice de circonscription, Alice Cotton:
alice.cotton@gnb.ca.

Merci !

Hello,

I will be out of the office, returning March 12, 2019. You may
communicate with my constituency coordinator, Alice Cotton:
alice.cotton@gnb.ca.

Thank you!

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On 3/4/19, David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/french-immersion-survey-biased-1.5039735
>
> Criticism mounts over government's 'biased' French immersion survey
> Social Sharing
>
> Questions designed to lead people to certain responses, say data
> specialists and other critics
>
> Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Mar 04, 2019 4:00 AM AT
>
>
> 165 Comments
>
> David Amos
> "Cardy was not available for an interview to respond to the critics.
> He said last week he would not prejudge the outcome of the
> consultation. "That would undermine it if the minister said at the
> beginning what he wants to do," he said.
>
> On social media, Cardy has rebutted complaints about biased questions.
> "If you don't like the questionnaire, send in long-form answers," he
> wrote. "That's why the option is there. Or get in touch with me
> directly."
>
> YEA RIGHT
>
> Trust that Dominic Cardy knows as well as I there is no need for a
> long form answer. He knows that on Thursday the 3rd of April 2008 I
> explained the Charter to his lawyer buddies Kelley Lamrock and TJ
> Burke. 11 years later I will argue it with Andrea Mason Anderson if
> enough folks want me to.
>
>
> David Amos
> @David Amos
>
> The Charter clearly states the following.
>
> 23. (1) Citizens of Canada
>
> a) whose first language learned and still understood is that of the
> English or French linguistic minority population of the province in
> which they reside, or
>
> b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in
> English or French and reside in a province where the language in which
> they received that instruction is the language of the English or
> French linguistic minority population of the province,
>
> (2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving
> primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in
> Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and
> secondary school instruction in the same language
>
> (3) The right of citizens of Canada under subsections (1) and (2) to
> have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction
> in the language of the English or French linguistic minority
> population of a province
>
> a) applies wherever in the province the number of children of citizens
> who have such a right is sufficient to warrant the provision to them
> out of public funds of minority language instruction; and
>
> b) includes, where the number of those children so warrants, the right
> to have them receive that instruction in minority language educational
> facilities provided out of public funds.
>
> Get it?
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos <motomaniac333@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 04:09:20 -0300
> Subject: RE The Official Languages Act being reviewed in secret and
> yet much discussed in the social media etc
> To: "marie-claude.blais" <marie-claude.blais@gnb.ca>, oldmaison
> <oldmaison@yahoo.com>, law <law@stevenfoulds.ca>, "peter.dauphinee"
> <peter.dauphinee@gmail.com>, maryann4peace <maryann4peace@gmail.com>,
> police <police@fredericton.ca>, police <police@edmundston.ca>,
> "Wayne.Lang" <Wayne.Lang@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>, carl.urquhart@gnb.ca,
> mike.olscamp@gnb.ca, bruce.northrup@gnb.ca, info@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
> bill.corby@gnb.ca, ken.cook@fredericton.ca, tclaw@nb.aibn.com,
> Patricia.Parent@gnb.ca, nbombud@gnb.ca, David Amos
> <david.raymond.amos@gmail.com>
> Cc: complaints@officiallanguages.nb.ca,
> commissioner@officiallanguages.nb.ca, infomorning
> <infomorning@moncton.cbc.ca>, infomorning
> <infomorning@fredericton.cbc.ca>, "terry.seguin"
> <terry.seguin@cbc.ca>, acampbell <acampbell@ctv.ca>, "Jacques.Poitras"
> <Jacques.Poitras@cbc.ca>, premier <premier@gnb.ca>, andre
> <andre@jafaust.com>
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/story/2012/09/18/nb-official-languages-committee-review-secret.html
>
> http://www.cbc.ca/informationmorningfredericton/2012/09/19/language-hearings/
>
> I have three questions to ask the CROWN that nobody will ever answer.
>
> They are as follows
>
> ONE
>
> If banishments of Chucky Leblanc and I from the Legislature properties
> are even remotely legal then howcome the documents that Bussieres and
> the Fat Fred City
> Finest served upon Chucky and I in June of 2006 are NOT EVEN written in
> BOTH ENGLISH AND FRENCH and NEVER recorded in the Royal Gazette?
>
> Check the documents PUBLISHED within the links for years by Chucky and
> his friends
>
> http://charlesotherpersonality.blogspot.ca/2010/06/it-was-four-years-ago-today-that-i-was_20.html
>
> http://qslspolitics.blogspot.ca/2008/06/david-amos-vs-fat-fred-citys-finest.html
>
> http://uncoverthefakeroots.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/david-raymond-amos-the-silence-indicates-you-got-schooled-in-the-law-7/
>
> TWO
>
> Howcome the Language Commissioners and the Attorney Generals have
> NEVER answered my emails about the obvious Charter violations?
>
> THREE
>
> Anybody remember the email posted within the website below?
>
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 08:24:06 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "David Amos"
> Subject: Re: RE : What of the evidence of murder I just sent you?
> To: robin.cantin@OCOL-CLO.GC.CA
> CC: carl.urquhart@gnb.ca, mike.olscamp@gnb.ca, bruce.northrup@gnb.ca,
> info@pco-bcp.gc.ca, bill.corby@gnb.ca, ken.cook@fredericton.ca,
> brad.green@gnb.ca, bev.harrison@gnb.ca, Wayne.STEEVES@gnb.ca,
> bruce.noble@fredericton.ca, Jody.CARR@gnb.ca, Keith.ASHFIELD@gnb.ca,
> David.ALWARD@gnb.ca, warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca,
> lou.lafleur@fredericton.ca, Comuzzi.J@parl.gc.ca, Arthur.A@parl.gc.ca,
> Kathy.Alchorn@fredericton.ca, Kim.Quartermain@fredericton.ca,
> police@fredericton.ca, Harper.S@parl.gc.ca, info@gg.ca
>
> Exactly
>
> May I suggest that you call the RCMP/GRC and the Office of Public
> Sector Integrity NOW?
>
> Then perhaps you should have your lawyer contact me.
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond amos
>
>
> Subject: RE : What of the evidence of murder I just sent you?
> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:58:37 -0400
> From: robin.cantin@OCOL-CLO.GC.CA
> To: David Amos
>
> I fail to see how that is something the Commissioner of Official
> Languages could possibly investigate. Obviously, for criminal matters
> you need a police force, not a language ombudsman.
>
> Robin
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : David Amos
> Envoyé : 20 mai, 2008 10:49
> À : Cantin, Robin
> Objet : What of the evidence of murder I just sent you?
> Importance : Faible
>
> robin.cantin@OCOL-CLO.GC.CA wrote:
>
> Ah yes, I did remember your message when you mentioned our Moncton
> office and court intervention on the phone.
>
> I assume you are aware that the issue has already been taken to court
> - an application for judicial review has been filed to the Court of
> Queen's Bench in Saint John. See
>
> http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/front/article/296686.
>
> I believe the response you got from our office in Moncton makes sense.
> On the topic of the AG's powers, jurisprudence is full of cases that
> went to court (and some were won) despite the opposition of a
> provincial AG.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Robin Cantin
> Manager, Media Relations / Gestionnaire, Relations avec les médias
> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages / Commissariat aux
> langues officielles
> Phone / Téléphone : (613) 995-0374
> Cell. : (613) 324-0999
> robin.cantin@ocol-clo.gc.ca
>
> Please visit our Web site www.officiallanguages.gc.ca and read Beyond
> Words, Canada’s official languages newsletter.
> Veuillez visiter notre site Web www.languesofficielles.gc.ca et lire
> Au-delà des mots, le cyberbulletin des langues officielles du Canada.
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : David Amos
> Envoyé : 20 mai, 2008 10:24
> À : Cantin, Robin
> Objet : Fwd: RE: Does the Language Commissioner suggest that I file
> something in Federal Court instead of him?
>
> From: tclaw@nb.aibn.com
> To: "David Amos"
> Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: Does the Language Commissioner suggest that I
> file something in Federal Court instead of him?
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 17:22:57 -0400
>
> Mr. Amos, thank you for your telephone message and the email attached.
>
> Tom Christie
>
> From: David Amos
> Date: 2008/05/16 Fri PM 04:22:13 EDT
> To: bureau@acpi-cait.ca, tclaw@nb.aibn.com
> Subject: Fwd: RE: Does the Language Commissioner suggest that I file
> something in Federal Court instead of him?
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "David Amos"
> Subject: For the Record I just called and tried to alk to Graham
> Fraser and Gilbert Taylor and was not allowed to do so
> To: robin.cantin@ocol-clo.gc.ca
>
> I was told by Taylor's assistant that he was in Ottawa today. whereas
> you people do not wish to dicuss the Act that you were hired to uphold
> we will argue it in Federal Court as the commissioner of Languages in
> New Brunswick suggests. EH?
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> Commissioner of Official Languages’ New Representative for the Atlantic
> Region
>
> The Commissioner of Official Languages, Graham Fraser, is pleased to
> announce the appointment of Gilbert Taylor as the Commissioner’s
> Representative for the Atlantic Region.
>
> "Mr. Taylor will continue the dialogue with institutions subject to
> the Official Languages Act and with various organizations that play an
> essential role in the vitality of the two official language
> communities,” Mr. Fraser said. “I am convinced Mr. Taylor will serve
> the region well and that his experience in the Maritimes and across
> the country will prove to be very valuable.”
> Commissioner Fraser also thanked Claude Haché for the work he has done
> as his representative. The role of the Commissioner’s Representative
> is to support the Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages in
> the Atlantic region. In particular, this involves working with federal
> institutions and communities to ensure full respect for the language
> rights of the public, to promote the equality of the two official
> languages in an increasingly diverse society and to enhance the
> vitality of official language minority communities.
>
> This role is more relevant than ever in the context of implementing
> Part VII of the Official Languages Act, which requires that federal
> institutions take positive measures to promote linguistic duality and
> to contribute to the development of official language communities.
> Gilbert Taylor has rich and varied experience in several areas of the
> federal public service. He has proven his leadership in the area of
> official languages during his 28 years of experience. Mr. Taylor
> received recognition from the Prince Edward Island Federal Council in
> 2004 for his contributions to the province’s official languages
> program. Since 2005, he has worked as a consultant and National
> rehabilitation manager at the head office of Veterans Affairs in
> Charlottetown. He holds a bachelor’s degree in psychology from Queen’s
> University and studied anthropology at the University of Prince Edward
> Island.
>
> Mr. Taylor will assume his responsibilities on August 13, 2007. He
> replaces Mr. Claude Haché, who will become an investigator for the
> Atlantic region. You may contact the Atlantic regional office in
> Moncton at 506-851-7047 or 1-800-561-7109
>
> - 30 -
>
> For more information, contact:
> Robin Cantin
> Manager, Media Relations
> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages
> Telephone: 613-995-0374
> Cellular: 613-324-0999
> Toll-free: 1-877-996-6368
> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages – Atlantic Region
> Heritage Place, 95 Foundry Street, Suite 410
> Moncton, New Brunswick
> E1C 5H7
> Telephone: 506-851-7047
> Toll-free: 1-800-561-7109
>
>
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: David Amos
> Subject: RE: Does the Language Commissioner suggest that I file
> something in Federal Court instead of him?
> To: "Parent, Patricia (OL-LO)" Patricia.Parent@gnb.ca
>
>
> You do understand who I am and of the fact I have sued an Attorney
> General and many politicians and lawyers in the past? I hope the
> commisssioner is aware of an answer I received from Bernie Richard and
> of his invitation to sue him.
>
> Veritas Vincit
>
> David Raymond Amos
>
>
> "Parent, Patricia (OL-LO)" Patricia.Parent@gnb.ca wrote:
>
> Dear Sir:
>
> I acknowledge receipt of your email message below.
>
> As explained in the press release, a copy of which was provided to you
> in our earlier email, the Commissioner has recommended that people who
> wish to contest the proposed FSL (French Second Language) Reform
> should contact the Ombudsman. Those who would wish to challenge the
> decision before the Courts should consult a lawyer in order to find
> out what remedies are available (injunction, order, etc… ) and also
> where the action should be filed. The matter of whether the Attorney
> General can stop such a lawsuit should also be discussed with the
> lawyer. While in cases where people which to issue a constitutional
> challenge, they must formally advise the Attorney General, this does
> not mean that the Attorney General has the power to stop the matter.
> Trusting this response will meet with your approval.
> Yours truly,
>
> Patricia Parent
> Manager / Gestionnaire
> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages for N.B.
> Bureau du Commissaire aux langues officielles du N.-B.
> 440 rue King Street
> Tour King Tower, Pièce/Suite 646
> Fredericton, N.B. E3B 5H8
> telephone (TTY)/téléphone (ATS) : (506) 444-4229
> toll free (TTY)/aucuns frais (ATS) : 1-888-651-6444
> facsimile/télécopieur : (506) 444-4456
> www.officiallanguages.nb.ca / www.languesofficielles.nb.ca
>
> Français ou anglais..C'est votre choix!
> English or French..It's your choice!
>
> From: David Amos
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 4:55 PM
> To: Parent, Patricia (OL-LO)
> Subject: Does the Language Commissioner suggest that I file something
> in Federal Court instead of him?
>
> http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/O-3.01///en
>
> Everybody knows that the Attorney General will stop any lawsuit that
> does not suit him or his political party within the Province of New
> Brunsick. Perhaps the Commissioner and I should have a long talk ASAP
> EH?
>
> Veritas Vincit
>
> David Raymond Amos
>
> "Parent, Patricia (OL-LO)" Patricia.Parent@gnb.ca wrote:
>
> Dear Sir:
>
> I acknowledge receipt of your email message below.
>
> Rest assured that your comments have been passed on to the Commissioner.
>
> For your information, please find below a statement that went out on
> March 20th, 2008, from our office to the media all across the
> province. This should answer your questions regarding what the
> Commissioner has done and continues to do with respect to the issue of
> French Second Language (FSL).
>
> It is important to note that this issue will require more than the
> Commissioner's position and unless parents and other members of the
> public openly take issue and condemn the decision, the chances that
> the plan will be implemented are quite high.
>
> Thank you for your interest and for contacting our office.
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Patricia Parent
> Manager / Gestionnaire
> Office of the Commissioner of Official Languages for N.B.
> Bureau du Commissaire aux langues officielles du N.-B.
> 440 rue King Street
> Tour King Tower, Pièce/Suite 646
> Fredericton, N.B. E3B 5H8
> telephone (TTY)/téléphone (ATS) : (506) 444-4229 toll free
> (TTY)/aucuns frais (ATS) : 1-888-651-6444
> facsimile/télécopieur : (506) 444-4456
> www.officiallanguages.nb.ca / www.languesofficielles.nb.ca
>
> Français ou anglais..C'est votre choix!
> English or French..It's your choice!
>
> *************************************************************************************************************
>
> For immediate release
>
> Fredericton, March 20, 2008 - The Official Languages Act of New
> Brunswick states that it does not apply to the Department of
> Education. This in fact limits the power of the Commissioner of
> Official Languages to investigate complaints with respect to the
> operation of the education system. The Act, however, does provide him
> with the authority and the responsibility to promote the advancement
> of both official languages. It is based on this part of his mandate
> that Commissioner Michel Carrier became involved with FSL reform in
> the province, beginning with his own review, the details of which were
> included in his 2005-2006 annual report.
>
> The Commissioner has been speaking in favor of improving FSL for many
> years. He made presentations to the FSL Commissioners to this effect
> last fall and was instrumental in ensuring that the Federal
> Commissioner of Official Languages, Graham Fraser, and others appeared
> before the FSL Review Commissioners as he believed these people had
> valuable information and insights to share. The Commissioner also
> spoke directly with the Minister prior to the launching of the
> department's FSL Review, following the release of the Review and prior
> to the announcement in the Legislature last Friday. Mr. Carrier
> attempted to convince the Minister that the abolition of the early
> Immersion program was not the right course of action. He pointed out
> that there are a number of expert recommendations that did not seem to
> have been given the proper attention during the review process.
>
> While the Commissioner does not take issue with the Minister's right
> to bring about needed changes in the education system, and while he
> recognizes the fact that the Minister has been available to meet with
> him on this subject, he cannot support the decision to remove the
> Early Immersion program from the FSL curriculum. "There is no doubt
> that the system is in need of reform", adds the Commissioner.
> "However, like many others who have come forward, I am not convinced
> that this is the way to go. Indeed, experts in the field have
> confirmed that there are many options that could have been considered
> other than slashing the early immersion program."
>
> As his mandate does not allow him to investigate complaints related to
> the ongoing FSL controversy, the Commissioner is encouraging New
> Brunswickers who are unhappy with the government's decision to contact
> the Office of the Ombudsman. While policy issues and decisions are
> generally in the domain of the legislators, the suggestion that the
> immersion changes are more administrative than legislative and,
> moreover, that the Commissioners' work was flawed, brings about
> questions of due process, an issue that falls squarely within the
> Ombudsman's purview. As well, the Ombudsman's role as Child and Youth
> Advocate mandates him to examine the impact of the changes on New
> Brunswick's children.
>
> "It is now essential that New Brunswickers share their concerns with
> their government," Mr. Carrier said. "In addition to letters to the
> editor, MLA's and the Minister, they can also contact the Office of
> the Ombudsman. For my part, I intend to continue exerting whatever
> influence I have to convince the provincial government of the need to
> re-think its decision."
>
> -- 30 --
>
>
> From: David Amos
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 4:51 PM
> To: complaints@officiallanguages.nb.ca;
> commissioner@officiallanguages.nb.ca
> Cc: Colford, Krista (OAG/CPG); Doyle Landry, Heather (OAG/CPG); Gould,
> William (OAG/CPG); Laflamme, Marcel (OAG/CPG); Volpé, Jeannot (LEG);
> MacDonald, Kirk (LEG); Fitch, Bruce (LEG); Betts, John W. (LEG)
> Subject: No need of a legal team to study the French question the
> Commissioner should read the Charter He is a lawyer Correct?
>
> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:41:43 -0300
> From: "David Amos"
> To: nbombud@gnb.ca , kelly.lamrock@gnb.ca , wally.stiles@gnb.ca ,
> Ed.Doherty@gnb.ca , T.J.Burke@gnb.ca , roly.macintyre@gnb.ca ,
> John.Foran@gnb.ca , aleblanc.mla@nb.aibn.com , oldmaison@yahoo.com ,
> jonesr@cbc.ca , eugene.mcginley2@gnb.ca , christian.whalen@gnb.ca ,
> Thibault.L@parl.gc.ca , Casey.B@parl.gc.ca ,
> Barry.MacKnight@fredericton.ca , Danny.Copp@fredericton.ca ,
> Premier@gnb.ca , Hermenegilde.Chiasson@gnb.ca , Dion.S@parl.gc.ca ,
> scotta@parl.gc.ca
> Subject: Attn Kelly Lamrock and Bernie Richard and folks concerned
> about French Immersion and the Charter
> CC: carl.urquhart@gnb.ca , mike.olscamp@gnb.ca , bruce.northrup@gnb.ca
> , info@pco-bcp.gc.ca , bill.corby@gnb.ca , ken.cook@fredericton.ca ,
> brad.green@gnb.ca , bev.harrison@gnb.ca , Wayne.STEEVES@gnb.ca ,
> bruce.noble@fredericton.ca , Jody.CARR@gnb.ca , Keith.ASHFIELD@gnb.ca
> , David.ALWARD@gnb.ca , warren.mcbeath@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ,
> lou.lafleur@fredericton.ca , Comuzzi.J@parl.gc.ca ,
> Arthur.A@parl.gc.ca , Kathy.Alchorn@fredericton.ca ,
> Kim.Quartermain@fredericton.ca , police@fredericton.ca ,
> Harper.S@parl.gc.ca , info@gg.ca
>
> First things first.
>
> The Charter clearly states the following.
>
> 23. (1) Citizens of Canada
>
> a) whose first language learned and still understood is that of the
> English or French linguistic minority population of the province in
> which they reside, or
>
> b) who have received their primary school instruction in Canada in
> English or French and reside in a province where the language in which
> they received that instruction is the language of the English or
> French linguistic minority population of the province,
>
> (2) Citizens of Canada of whom any child has received or is receiving
> primary or secondary school instruction in English or French in
> Canada, have the right to have all their children receive primary and
> secondary school instruction in the same language
>
> (3) The right of citizens of Canada under subsections (1) and (2) to
> have their children receive primary and secondary school instruction
> in the language of the English or French linguistic minority
> population of a province
>
> a) applies wherever in the province the number of children of citizens
> who have such a right is sufficient to warrant the provision to them
> out of public funds of minority language instruction; and
>
> b) includes, where the number of those children so warrants, the right
> to have them receive that instruction in minority language educational
> facilities provided out of public funds.
>
> Get it? I quoted it out of the gate before my following rant that I
> doubt anybody but Kelly Lamrock will read. I did so so that the honest
> Maritimes amongst us can take the words of the Charter and run with to
> bitch to the lawyer Bernie Richard about the lawyer Kelly Lamrock's
> antics. Somebody should explain the meaning of those words. It ain't
> my job to do so.
>
> Read on if you are bored or just happen to care about the sad state of
> our Democracy today and what another pigheaded Maritimer is up to
> today in order to try to defend it and his protect his own dumb arse
> at the same time. The joke is on us if you don't. After all we always
> get the governments we deserve. Correct?
>
> You can find the rest of the email here. Just go to the link and read
> the last comment if you wish.
> FYI I made reference to you Bob Bernier but I did not name you in my
> rant because I am not certain that you are the same dude who just quit
> the liberals in Kings East. If you are that fella you certainly know
> who I am Correct?
> http://davidamos.blogspot.com/2006/05/mariitime-and-yankee-arseholes.html
>
>
> Excerpts of a letter to the Liberal party of N.B.
>
> April 3 was a sad day for the Liberal Party of New Brunswick. Premier
> Shawn Graham, along with his Minister of Education, Kelly Lamrock,
> have ignored the request of the provincial Ombudsman to halt the
> changes to the anglophone school system.
>
> This represents severe contempt for both the desires of the people of
> New Brunswick, as well as the Office of the Ombudsman. The past three
> weeks have seen a wave of dissent grow against the changes to our
> schools. The speed at which this wave is sweeping across New Brunswick
> has not been seen in a generation.
>
> The Liberal Party of New Brunswick is in danger of being swamped by
> this wave. Liberal Associations and MPs across the province have
> spoken out against the Lamrock Plan. The Globe and Mail and Montreal
> Gazette have slammed the Lamrock Plan.
>
> It's time to put an end to this nonsensical decision.
> Regardless of our political leanings, we can all share in the memory
> of Louis J. Robichaud, one of our province's greatest leaders. For
> young New Brunswickers, P'tit Louis represents the dream of a
> bilingual society. The Lamrock Plan denies our children these
> opportunities, and denies our province of this dream. Members of
> Liberal Party Executive, I trust you will hear our cries for help and
> do what is right for both New Brunswick and the Liberal Party. Speak
> to your MLAs, and talk them down off this political ledge.
>
> ROB HOADLEY
> Fredericton
>
> Group studies its legal options
>
> Early immersion | Reversal of decision wanted ASAP
>
> By JENNIFER DUNVILLE
> dunville.jennifer@dailygleaner.com
> Published Tuesday April 8th, 2008
> Appeared on page A1
>
> A lobby group opposed to the elimination of New Brunswick's early
> immersion program is weighing its legal options.
> Rob Hoadley, spokesman for Citizens for Education Choice, said the
> group's goal is to take legal action that will affect the upcoming
> school year.
>
> "We're consulting with lawyers on avenues of legal recourse," Hoadley
> said. "Our legal team is preparing a legal challenge to the decision.
>
> "At this point, we're just making sure we have all the documentation
> we need. Whatever we decide to do, it's going to happen fast."
> One of the options the group is considering is approaching the Court
> of Queen's Bench for a judicial review of the decision to eliminate
> the early immersion program.
>
> Hoadley said they've filed a request under the Right to Information
> Act for all documentation relating to the provincial government's
> decision to axe the program.
>
> "The New Brunswick ombudsman is doing this already, but we're also
> looking to get all the documents so we can review them too," Hoadley
> said.
>
> "I wouldn't want to comment yet on all the legal options we are
> weighing because I don't want to limit our group to one thing."
> Citizens for Educational Choice disagrees with the government's
> decision to implement a new French second-language model, which
> includes the intensive French program and excludes early exposure to
> the French language.
> It wants the decision reversed.
> "We want a proper consultation process," Hoadley said. "We know the
> system needs changes, but we want to make sure that those much-needed
> revisions are done with the research in mind."
>
> Alison Menard, president of the New Brunswick chapter of Canadian
> Parents for French, said she commends the citizens' group for fighting
> the decision through the legal system.
>
> But she said it's unfortunate it's been pushed to that point.
> "When we see the absolute, very quick refusal to the ombudsman's
> suggestion that this decision be delayed for a year while he
> investigates, that gives you an idea of what we're dealing with,"
> Menard said. "It's not likely that we're going to see the government
> back down or have sober second thoughts.
>
> "Citizens find themselves in the kind of situation where they don't
> have much of a choice but to undertake legal action."
> Menard said Canadian Parents for French won't get involved in legal
> action against the government because it's not part of the group's
> mandate.
>
> But she said she's pleased the citizens' group is trying to have the
> decision reversed.
>
> "I would think that citizens and governments would have better things
> to do than sue each other," Menard said. "It's unfortunate they have
> to do this, but Canadian Parents for French supports them all the
> way."
>
> Hoadley said he and other members of the group have been writing to
> MLAs, and Members of Parliament, along with sending opinion letters to
> newspapers throughout the province.
>
> "We're not going away," Hoadley said of the citizens' group.
> "If the government thinks we've been vocal to this point, they should
> know we're only just getting started."
>

David Raymond Amos Round 3

Monday 4 March 2019