David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks I should mention this old house built with stolen funds during the next federal election After all New Brunswick does not have a Constitution thanks to crooks such as Anthony Lockwood N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/threatened-risteen-building-in.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/heritage-fredericton-preservation-1.5120833
Incentives urged to help with preservation of Fredericton heritage buildings
Assistance might be better than simply telling developers what they can't do, chamber CEO says
As the rubble from demolished buildings
around the Risteen Building in downtown Fredericton is cleared away,
questions about the future of a planned development on the site are
starting to arise.
The City of Fredericton issued a developer a 60-day cease-activity order while council figures out if the building should come under preservation bylaws.
In the meantime, some say more financial incentives for the development and restoration of historically significant buildings might help to preserve them.
"Maybe there's an opportunity to support the development and saving some of these historic properties by supporting the development of them instead of just saying, 'Well, you can't do this or you can't do that,'" said Krista Ross, CEO of the Fredericton Chamber of Commerce.
Fredericton city council has until mid-June to decide whether the 1820s Risteen Building, the first cut-stone building in the province, should come under the heritage preservation bylaw, stalling its demolition and the development of a new apartment complex.
"If you're asking private owners to preserve heritage buildings, it's because we think there is some public value to them," said former Ontario MP Peter Van Loan.
Peter
Van Loan, the former Progressive Conservative MP for York-Simcoe,
proposed legislation that would have provided a significant tax credit
to people restoring historically significant properties. His bill was
defeated last year. (Adrian Wyld/CANADIAN PRESS)
Van Loan introduced a bill that would have given a 20 per cent tax credit to people restoring historic buildings.
"It makes sense in those circumstances that the public should provide some compensation or some benefit to assist that private owner in delivering that public benefit."
That bill was defeated last year.
There is a New Brunswick tax credit that applies to national or provincially designated buildings, but according to Fredericton Heritage Trust, Fredericton is the only major city in the province without a municipal grant program.
The City of Fredericton confirmed it doesn't have a grant program but no one was available for a followup interview.
"Looking
at some additional grants, meaningful grants and various levels of
government would, I think, bring us closer to being able to preserve and
persuade people to preserve heritage buildings" said Marion Beyea of Fredericton Heritage Trust.
Van Loan said modest local grants aren't usually enough.
"And the burden of preserving this stuff is, it's difficult, but that is part of what helps make those communities," he said.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesThe City of Fredericton issued a developer a 60-day cease-activity order while council figures out if the building should come under preservation bylaws.
In the meantime, some say more financial incentives for the development and restoration of historically significant buildings might help to preserve them.
"Maybe there's an opportunity to support the development and saving some of these historic properties by supporting the development of them instead of just saying, 'Well, you can't do this or you can't do that,'" said Krista Ross, CEO of the Fredericton Chamber of Commerce.
Demolition delayed
Fredericton city council has until mid-June to decide whether the 1820s Risteen Building, the first cut-stone building in the province, should come under the heritage preservation bylaw, stalling its demolition and the development of a new apartment complex.
"If you're asking private owners to preserve heritage buildings, it's because we think there is some public value to them," said former Ontario MP Peter Van Loan.
"It makes sense in those circumstances that the public should provide some compensation or some benefit to assist that private owner in delivering that public benefit."
That bill was defeated last year.
There is a New Brunswick tax credit that applies to national or provincially designated buildings, but according to Fredericton Heritage Trust, Fredericton is the only major city in the province without a municipal grant program.
The City of Fredericton confirmed it doesn't have a grant program but no one was available for a followup interview.
Van Loan said modest local grants aren't usually enough.
"And the burden of preserving this stuff is, it's difficult, but that is part of what helps make those communities," he said.
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David R. Amos
Methinks I will mention this historic old house during the next federal election. After all New Brunswick does not even have a Constitution yet thanks to crooked dudes such as Anthony Lockwood and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
Shawn McShane
Reply to @David R. Amos: The guy ended up in Bethnal Green Lunatic Asylum in London, England.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: I have posted quite a bit about him but I am always blocked
David R. Amos
Methinks folks may rest assured that I already contacted Pablo Rodriguez and Robert Gauvin with my concerns about the most interesting historic house in New Brunswick N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Methinks Krista Ross and Marion Beyea should be clever enough to know that this is a matter for the Provincial and Federal Ministers of Heritage to handle N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Who cares what Peter Van Loan thought about anything?
Shawn McShane
Reply to @David R. Amos: You should if you want the building to be saved.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Shawn McShane: Peter Van Loan supported my false imprisonment
Alex Butt
I do not understand why we the tax payers have to foot the bills just to keep these so called heritage buildings standing? If this is such an important building, then I am quite sure someone will stand up and do something with it in order to preserve it. Just look at the mess that was the Fredericton train station. Everyone cried to save it, yet no one put their money where their mouth is and did something constructive with it. So what happened? It sat derelict and decrepit, total eye sore for years and the taxpayers ended up paying for NB liquor to turn it into a store. How many people travel now to Fredericton and have that on their must see list? Not much if any.
David R. Amos
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Reply to @Alex Butt: Methinks you don't know this building's History N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Alex Butt: Oh My ask yourself why my reply went "Poof"
Mark (Junkman) George
This is really, really, a bad idea.
Here is what you will end up with: a decorative stone wall in the entranceway of an apartment building, and "on the hook" for a percentage of the total development costs.
People with good intentions are easy prey for those with bad intentions.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mark
(Junkman) George: Methinks the province should buy it and create offices
inside for the PANB and the Greens in order to save some money on their
expenses N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-mla-office-travel-budget-boost-1.5117748
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-mla-office-travel-budget-boost-1.5117748
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David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks I will mention this during the next federal election after all New Brunswick does not even have a Constitution yet thanks to crooked dudes such as Anthony Lockwood and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/heritage-building-fredericton-1.5111435
Threatened Risteen building in Fredericton considered for heritage designation
Development blocked for 60 days while heritage board considers fate of 1820s stone cut building
The City of Fredericton has halted any
work on the Risteen building in downtown Fredericton for 60 days, so
council can assess whether the property should be brought under the
heritage preservation bylaw.
A temporary order to cease activity was issued to developer Gabriel Elzayat when his application to demolish the building was submitted.
"And if (council) elect to designate it, then the bylaw needs to be amended and it becomes part of the heritage bylaw area," said Juan Estepa, the manager of heritage and urban design with the city.
That could take months, said Estepa.
"Then it's up to the Preservation Review Board to consider the demolition request and any development that may happen on that property," he said.
The first cut stone building in New Brunswick, the Risteen building was built in the 1820s by Anthony Lockwood, surveyor general of New Brunswick.
It later became the Risteen Sash and Door factory, supplying many of the finishings to houses and buildings around the city.
Elzayat wants to build apartments on the site. He owns several buildings in the immediate area that are also expected to be part of the development. He did not wish to comment on the council order.
"This developer bought the property knowing that this was a potential situation, and it was a risk he was prepared to take," Estepa said.
CBC's Journalistic Standards and PracticesA temporary order to cease activity was issued to developer Gabriel Elzayat when his application to demolish the building was submitted.
"And if (council) elect to designate it, then the bylaw needs to be amended and it becomes part of the heritage bylaw area," said Juan Estepa, the manager of heritage and urban design with the city.
That could take months, said Estepa.
"Then it's up to the Preservation Review Board to consider the demolition request and any development that may happen on that property," he said.
The first cut stone building in New Brunswick, the Risteen building was built in the 1820s by Anthony Lockwood, surveyor general of New Brunswick.
Elzayat wants to build apartments on the site. He owns several buildings in the immediate area that are also expected to be part of the development. He did not wish to comment on the council order.
"This developer bought the property knowing that this was a potential situation, and it was a risk he was prepared to take," Estepa said.
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David R. Amos
I heard through the grapevine that Gabriel is upset Methinks that means that Mayor Mikey must have a headache as well N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Methinks CBC just did a rather telling thing again N'ey Pas?
David R. Amos
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"That could take months, said Estepa." Great
Methinks I will mention during the next federal election after all New Brunswick does not even have a Constitution yet thanks to crooked dudes such as Anthony Lockwood and his cohorts N'esy Pas?
Mark (Junkman) George
Sometimes a building comes to an end of it's useful life. Should "we" preserve old buildings is the question. Sure "we" should, but only when "we" get our money out, and do it.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mark (Junkman) George: Methinks folks should check its history closer N'esy Pas?
Linda Christie Hazlett
Great solid old building. Every city should keep a few of their historical properties. Have often noticed the stonework on the building when I was driving by
David R. Amos
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: I agree
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: And who should pay for its upkeep?
David R. Amos
Graham McCormack
Reply to @Linda Christie Hazlett: And who should pay for its upkeep?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Graham McCormack: "And who should pay for its upkeep?"
Methinks you should ask our latest Minister of Heritage Robert Gauvin N'esy Pas?
Methinks you should ask our latest Minister of Heritage Robert Gauvin N'esy Pas?
Aaron James
And
here we go again. A small group of people wanting to keep Fredericton
old and decrepit, instead of new and vibrant. It's too bad we can't have
nice things around here.
Shawn McShane
Reply to @Aaron
James: New and vibrant and old and decrepit are in the eyes of the
beholder. I find the new builds uninspiring and cheaply built, the
motivation is pure profit.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Aaron James: Cry me a river
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