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Methinks desperate liberals post desperate things N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/wilson-raybould-set-multiple-conditions.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wilson-raybould-trudeau-philpott-snc-lavalin-1.5083792
Wilson-Raybould set multiple conditions for ending the rift with Trudeau, say sources
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Jim Clark
So she wanted the swamp cleaned out and for Justin to admit he was wrong.That seems quite reasonable.The truth would have set justin free but his narcissistic ego brought him down.good.
Reply to @Jim Clark: For the right price she was willing to cover the whole thing up. Shame.
Evan Gillis
Reply to @Jim Clark:
If any of this is true, she is guilty of political interference. "she also sought assurances that her replacement as attorney general, David Lametti, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussell and direct her to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement."
If any of this is true, she is guilty of political interference. "she also sought assurances that her replacement as attorney general, David Lametti, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussell and direct her to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement."
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jim Clark: Hmmm
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-the-current-wilson-raybould-liberal-caucus-1.5084028
"Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said he doesn't put much faith in what Liberals leak about internal dynamics, arguing Wilson-Raybould was only trying to preserve judicial independence.
"This is about preserving the integrity of our justice system, and what the prime minister is trying to do would have undermined the rule of law. I see that as her attempt to ensure that didn't happen," he said."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-the-current-wilson-raybould-liberal-caucus-1.5084028
"Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said he doesn't put much faith in what Liberals leak about internal dynamics, arguing Wilson-Raybould was only trying to preserve judicial independence.
"This is about preserving the integrity of our justice system, and what the prime minister is trying to do would have undermined the rule of law. I see that as her attempt to ensure that didn't happen," he said."
David R. Amos
Reply to @Evan Gillis: Methinks you sound like somebody else N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-the-current-wilson-raybould-liberal-caucus-1.5084028
"Minister of Democratic Institutions Karina Gould said there were "unprecedented" efforts to find a solution and keep Wilson-Raybould and Philpott on board. She found it troubling that Wilson-Raybould would complain about political interference, then attempt to direct her successor on the SNC-Lavalin file.
"That seems concerning and it seems questionable," she said."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-the-current-wilson-raybould-liberal-caucus-1.5084028
"Minister of Democratic Institutions Karina Gould said there were "unprecedented" efforts to find a solution and keep Wilson-Raybould and Philpott on board. She found it troubling that Wilson-Raybould would complain about political interference, then attempt to direct her successor on the SNC-Lavalin file.
"That seems concerning and it seems questionable," she said."
Johnny Macin
I can’t for the life of me understand how people on this board can accept it is ok that the Prime Minister of this country tried to intervene in the justice system for his bennifit. Does no one see the irony that just a few months ago China was asking him to do the very same thing for the Huawai CFO and he said that it was impossible for politicians to intervene in judicial proceedings, yet several weeks later here we are. This is nuts. I would say there are several more people that need to resign including the PM
David R. Amos
Reply to @Johnny Macin: "This is nuts"
Welcome to the Circus
mike kennedy
Justin will be a footnote in the history of Canada's PM's as the worst ever.
David R. Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: "Justin will be a footnote in the history of Canada's PM's as the worst ever. "
Methinks at the risk of being redundant I should remind folks that I truly believe Sir John A. MacDonald takes the cake in that regards N'esy Pas?
Methinks at the risk of being redundant I should remind folks that I truly believe Sir John A. MacDonald takes the cake in that regards N'esy Pas?
Bob Finnegan
And the Liberal propaganda attack ramps up on Wilson-Raybould .
Troy Mann
Reply to @Bob Finnegan:
So conservatives are ok with recording private conversations and using extortion...
What is Sheer offering Jody to join the CPC? If she isn't a conservative by weeks end then we can agree Andy wont accept her "terms" of her being Leader by proxy???
So conservatives are ok with recording private conversations and using extortion...
What is Sheer offering Jody to join the CPC? If she isn't a conservative by weeks end then we can agree Andy wont accept her "terms" of her being Leader by proxy???
Mathias Madic
Reply to @Troy Mann:
last week she was painted as a conservative with who she wanted in the
SCC-Glenn Joyal. So i guess that talking point is sticking lol
Don Mustil
Reply to @Bob
Finnegan: These "anonymous sources" most assuredly came from the
PMO.......and I think it's fair to say that most of what has come from
this gang has been mis-leading and self-serving at best.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bob Finnegan: YUP
Methinks the Jane and Jody Tag team expected it and that they will make certain that this sideshow at the circus is far from over N'esy Pas?
Methinks the Jane and Jody Tag team expected it and that they will make certain that this sideshow at the circus is far from over N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Mathias Madic: Methinks desperate liberals post desperate things N'esy Pas?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Don Mustill: I agree
Richard Dekkar
Oh that’s nice, more leaked dirt while JWR is legally prevented from speaking. These Liberals have no lower limit.
All this to politically interfere with a prosecution. It’s nauseating.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Dekkar: "It’s nauseating."
Methinks you should lighten up and try to enjoy the circus we are paying for N'esy Pas?
Robert Blue
Who the heck would want anyone like her in ones organization?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Robert Blue: "Who the heck would want anyone like her in ones organization?"
Clearly Trudeau did
Weldon Torch
Can't hang the Pm of a country out to dry and expect him to keep you around. Doesn't work that way.
Bort Smith
Reply to @Weldon Torch:
Why? He only gets to be PM as long as the Legislature has confidence in him. It can be taken away at any time.
A PM is not owed deference or respect. He's just a member of the commons like everyone else.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Bort Smith:
The standing O Trudeau received from his caucus last night is all the confidence he needs.
The standing O Trudeau received from his caucus last night is all the confidence he needs.
Ross Culbert
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: The audience of young women turning their back to him is also
very telling. A bunch of clapping seals within his party are not going
to get him elected.
Richard
Sharp
Reply to @Ross Culbert:
A few women did out of hundreds. Exagerate much?
Trudeau's feminist credentials are the best of any world leader in modern history Name one better,
A few women did out of hundreds. Exagerate much?
Trudeau's feminist credentials are the best of any world leader in modern history Name one better,
Steve Burton
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: 50+ is a "few"??? Look at the faces of the others who didn't
turn around... they sure as h3ll didn't give him a standing ovation!
Don Phillips
Reply to @Richard Sharp: You gush more over Justin when facts seem to contradict your idyllic fantasy image of your BFFPM
David R. Amos
Reply to @Don Phillips: Methinks many folks have come to expect nothing less from Mr Sharp N'esy Pas?
mike kennedy
Justin will likely jog shirtless and accidently run into wedding party shoots to boost his popularity again this summer. That is the kind of guy Justin is.
David R. Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: Of that I have no doubt
Rhea Montgomery
Starting to think this boot from caucus was most definitely the Right decision. Talk about your Diva. My way or the highway. Nice.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rhea Montgomery: Methinks many would agree that Justin and Jody deserved each other N'esy Pas?
Rob Preston
Trudeau apologize for doing something wrong himself? Good luck with that. He will whole heartedly though apologize for what someone else does or did. He,s great at that.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rob Preston: YUP
Wilson-Raybould set multiple conditions for ending the rift with Trudeau, say sources
Weeks of tense negotiations preceded the PM's highly controversial decision to eject two high-profile MPs
Liberal MPs — including Prime Minister
Justin Trudeau — tried for weeks to broker a compromise with Jody
Wilson-Raybould over the SNC-Lavalin controversy, but the talks
ultimately failed when it became clear they could not reach an agreement
with the former attorney general, sources tell CBC News.
Over the course of the secret discussions, it emerged that Wilson-Raybould had a list of at least five conditions that could help end the civil war that has been tearing the government apart, multiple Liberal sources say.
The first three conditions involved staff changes at the very summit of the government. The sources said Wilson-Raybould wanted Trudeau to fire his principal secretary, Gerald Butts, along with Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick and PMO senior adviser Mathieu Bouchard.
(The Toronto Star first reported some of these conditions, or similar ones, earlier Wednesday.)
This scandal has been eroding Liberal support since Feb. 7, when the Globe and Mail reported that Wilson-Raybould had faced inappropriate political pressure on the SNC-Lavalin criminal prosecution decision. Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott both later resigned from cabinet to protest the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin file.
The sources who spoke to CBC News — on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the conversations — said Wilson-Raybould made clear her desire for staff changes to the prime minister and his staff in a series of conversations in Vancouver in the days before her resignation from cabinet on Feb. 12.
Butts was never fired, but he did resign on Feb. 18. He later testified that he never pressured Wilson-Raybould on the SNC-Lavalin file.
Wernick announced his retirement last month after intense public criticism of his testimony before the justice committee on Feb. 21 and March 6. Bouchard remains in the PMO.
But Wilson-Raybould's wishes went beyond a limited housecleaning in the PMO. Sources said she also sought assurances that her replacement as attorney general, David Lametti, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussell and direct her to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement.
Wilson-Raybould also wanted Justin Trudeau to admit — publicly, or to caucus alone — that his office acted inappropriately in its attempts to convince her to consider granting SNC-Lavalin a DPA.
The intense back-and-forth search for a compromise might help explain why the caucus drama took 54 days — from the first report in the Globe and Mail on Feb. 7 to the prime minister's announcement Tuesday that Wilson-Raybould and former Treasury Board president Jane Philpott were being ejected from caucus.
CBC News reached out to Wilson-Raybould Tuesday night. She said she would not comment on the report.
In a statement released shortly after she was pushed out of caucus, Philpott pointed to the lack of an apology from Trudeau.
"Rather than acknowledge the obvious — that a range of individuals had inappropriately attempted to pressure the former attorney general in relation to a prosecutorial decision — and apologize for what occurred, a decision was made to attempt to deny the obvious — to attack Jody Wilson-Raybould's credibility and attempt to blame her," Philpott wrote in the statement posted to Facebook.
"This isn't about a lack of loyalty. On the contrary, I recommended that the government acknowledge what happened in order to move forward."
Kate Purchase, executive director of communications and planning in the PMO, said in a statement to CBC News that Wilson-Raybould never issued a formal ultimatum to the prime minister, adding she would not comment on the details of Trudeau's private conversations.
However, the sources said Wilson-Raybould made it clear over the course of many conversations that these were things she wanted done. The list also expanded and evolved over time, with Wilson-Raybould adding new conditions as the talks went on, said the sources.
Trudeau and his officials ultimately came to believe that the efforts to end the rift with Wilson-Raybould were futile, the sources said.
Prime
Minister Justin Trudeau tells an evening caucus meeting on Parliament
Hill in Ottawa on Tuesday, April 2, 2019 that he has kicked both former
attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould and fellow ex-cabinet minister
Jane Philpott out of the Liberal caucus. (Justin Tang/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
"We've
taken every effort to address their concerns. but ultimately, if they
can't honestly say that they have confidence in this team, despite weeks
of testimony, face-to-face conversations and phone calls with myself
and other members of caucus, then they cannot be part of this team,"
Trudeau said in front of his MPs Tuesday night.
Trudeau and his chief of staff, Katie Telford, were the point people on the weeks of fairly intense engagement with Wilson-Raybould. They scrambled people they believed to be close to Wilson-Raybould and Philpott to negotiate with them.
The Liberal B.C. caucus — including cabinet ministers Carla Qualtrough and Jonathan Wilkinson — was heavily involved in reaching out to Wilson-Raybould.
Sources say the efforts continued until Monday, the day before the caucus expulsion. But by that point, Wilson-Raybould's release of her secret recording of her Dec. 19 conversation with Wernick obliterated her already fractured relationship with much of the Liberal caucus and made a truce nearly impossible to broker.
Caucus was already growing restive and the controversy continued to dominate the public debate and overshadow the Liberal's pre-election budget.
Philpott was confronted by anxious MPs at the Ontario caucus meeting two weeks ago. More and more Liberals MPs were going public with their concerns about a lack of trust in caucus, although some also expressed support for one or both of the former ministers.
On Tuesday, after consulting regional caucus chairs, Trudeau and senior government members met with Philpott and Wilson-Raybould to tell them they were no longer welcome in caucus. Moments later, Trudeau made his announcement to the national caucus and then to the country.
Over the course of the secret discussions, it emerged that Wilson-Raybould had a list of at least five conditions that could help end the civil war that has been tearing the government apart, multiple Liberal sources say.
The first three conditions involved staff changes at the very summit of the government. The sources said Wilson-Raybould wanted Trudeau to fire his principal secretary, Gerald Butts, along with Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick and PMO senior adviser Mathieu Bouchard.
(The Toronto Star first reported some of these conditions, or similar ones, earlier Wednesday.)
Change at the top
This scandal has been eroding Liberal support since Feb. 7, when the Globe and Mail reported that Wilson-Raybould had faced inappropriate political pressure on the SNC-Lavalin criminal prosecution decision. Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott both later resigned from cabinet to protest the government's handling of the SNC-Lavalin file.
The sources who spoke to CBC News — on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the conversations — said Wilson-Raybould made clear her desire for staff changes to the prime minister and his staff in a series of conversations in Vancouver in the days before her resignation from cabinet on Feb. 12.
Butts was never fired, but he did resign on Feb. 18. He later testified that he never pressured Wilson-Raybould on the SNC-Lavalin file.
Wernick announced his retirement last month after intense public criticism of his testimony before the justice committee on Feb. 21 and March 6. Bouchard remains in the PMO.
An apology from Trudeau?
But Wilson-Raybould's wishes went beyond a limited housecleaning in the PMO. Sources said she also sought assurances that her replacement as attorney general, David Lametti, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussell and direct her to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement.
Wilson-Raybould also wanted Justin Trudeau to admit — publicly, or to caucus alone — that his office acted inappropriately in its attempts to convince her to consider granting SNC-Lavalin a DPA.
The intense back-and-forth search for a compromise might help explain why the caucus drama took 54 days — from the first report in the Globe and Mail on Feb. 7 to the prime minister's announcement Tuesday that Wilson-Raybould and former Treasury Board president Jane Philpott were being ejected from caucus.
In a statement released shortly after she was pushed out of caucus, Philpott pointed to the lack of an apology from Trudeau.
"Rather than acknowledge the obvious — that a range of individuals had inappropriately attempted to pressure the former attorney general in relation to a prosecutorial decision — and apologize for what occurred, a decision was made to attempt to deny the obvious — to attack Jody Wilson-Raybould's credibility and attempt to blame her," Philpott wrote in the statement posted to Facebook.
"This isn't about a lack of loyalty. On the contrary, I recommended that the government acknowledge what happened in order to move forward."
A growing list of conditions
Kate Purchase, executive director of communications and planning in the PMO, said in a statement to CBC News that Wilson-Raybould never issued a formal ultimatum to the prime minister, adding she would not comment on the details of Trudeau's private conversations.
However, the sources said Wilson-Raybould made it clear over the course of many conversations that these were things she wanted done. The list also expanded and evolved over time, with Wilson-Raybould adding new conditions as the talks went on, said the sources.
Trudeau and his officials ultimately came to believe that the efforts to end the rift with Wilson-Raybould were futile, the sources said.
Trudeau and his chief of staff, Katie Telford, were the point people on the weeks of fairly intense engagement with Wilson-Raybould. They scrambled people they believed to be close to Wilson-Raybould and Philpott to negotiate with them.
The Liberal B.C. caucus — including cabinet ministers Carla Qualtrough and Jonathan Wilkinson — was heavily involved in reaching out to Wilson-Raybould.
Down to the wire
Sources say the efforts continued until Monday, the day before the caucus expulsion. But by that point, Wilson-Raybould's release of her secret recording of her Dec. 19 conversation with Wernick obliterated her already fractured relationship with much of the Liberal caucus and made a truce nearly impossible to broker.
Caucus was already growing restive and the controversy continued to dominate the public debate and overshadow the Liberal's pre-election budget.
Philpott was confronted by anxious MPs at the Ontario caucus meeting two weeks ago. More and more Liberals MPs were going public with their concerns about a lack of trust in caucus, although some also expressed support for one or both of the former ministers.
On Tuesday, after consulting regional caucus chairs, Trudeau and senior government members met with Philpott and Wilson-Raybould to tell them they were no longer welcome in caucus. Moments later, Trudeau made his announcement to the national caucus and then to the country.
With files from Rosemary Barton
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