Saturday 31 August 2019

UNB law school urged to shed name linked to slavery, residential school

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Replying to   @alllibertynews and 49 others 
I saw no need to be redundant but methinks the law school students and the "Powers That Be" within UNB would have read my comments on this subject by Now N'esy Pas Mr Higgs?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/08/unb-law-school-urged-to-shed-name.html









https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/unb-law-society-ludlow-hall-1.5314956









Replying to   @alllibertynews and 49 others 
Methinks the political pundits in Fundy Royal and the rest of Canada as well should pay attention to the comments in this article before the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?


https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/08/unb-law-school-urged-to-shed-name.html






https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/ludlow-hall-name-change-1.5265366



UNB law school urged to shed name linked to slavery, residential school




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David Amos
Methinks anyone with two clues between their ears who reads the news these days from whatever the source should always ask themselves the elementary question "Cui Bono?" As I glanced at the attack on the reputation of lawyer who was loyal to the British Crown nearly 100 years before the Dominion of Canada was created the answer was obvious to me particularly in light of the fact that Mr Prime Minister Trudeau the Elder is about to ask the the Queen Vice Regal Representative to drop the writ for another wicked election N'esy Pas?






David Amos
Methinks when the wannabe lawyer and proud member of the Manitoba Metis Federation returns to from whence she came she may wish to solicit the wannabe Premier Wabanakwut Kinew to tear down the Manitoba legislature which was dreamed up by the British architect Frank Worthington Simon N'esy Pas?




David Amos
Methinks my political foes are expecting me to make a comment about the photo from Fundy Royal found within this article Sometimes less is more However I will has good reason to say a lot if it goes "Poof" N'esy Pas?








David Amos
"I definitely want every law student and lawyer in this province to know about George Duncan Ludlow, but not to look up to him."

Methinks this young lady and I should have a long talk ASAP hopefully before the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: The "David Amos Hall" after that famous lawyer, in his own mind!


Dan Lee
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
errrr passs.............
















David Amos
Methinks the law dean John Kleefeld should check his records and find the letter and pile of documents I served in hand to his predecessor Philip Bryden the current Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Solicitor General of Alberta. I met Bryden within his office at Ludlow Hall while I was running in the election of the 39th Parliament and not long after I was barred from an advertised "all candidates debate; on the UNB campus. He actually thanked me for them. A copy of the aforementioned documents can be found in the docket of Federal Court in Fredericton for any law student to study. Trust that nearly every cop, lawyer and judge in New Brunswick knows the first decision in the matter was made by the former RCMP lawyer Justice Richard Bell. All politicians know Bell was the first lawyer Harper appointed to sit on the Queens Bench after the election. Nobody can deny that Bell had overseen the political campaigns for the 38th and 39th Parliaments for Harper and his cohorts in New Brunswick N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: he was. He played his card well by turning his coat from a Liberal to the Canadian Alliance which assured him a judgeship as soon as Harper won the election after merging with the progressive conservatives. However, no one can question his qualifications. He is fluently bilingual to boot and a most popular choice!


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you SANB dudes must have shuddered when you read his decision in my matter N'esy Pas? 
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I have no idea. Never even knew about the decision. And why should I? What's so special about it besides the fact that it concerns you?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: What's this goofy guy next to Goofy in your avatar?


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you and all you liberal/SANB buddies read every word You will never admit tis all N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: what makes you think that you are so relevant that everyone should know about your frivolous and vexatious litigation? 
 
David Amos

Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you just made it blatantly obvious that you liberal/SANB dudes read what the liberal lawyer working for the Queen wrote Hence you must have read the decisions particularly Richard Bell's and that of the Irving Clan's former lawyer Richard Southcott They are both Conservatives N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: if you thnk so...












Harold Wood
This is why New Brunswick is the banana republic of Canada. We allow our government and now our learning institutions to concentrate and pay for the ills of the past and completely ignore the poor management of the present. We are beset with failing education, health, infrastructure and weighted language laws and show little or no attempt to improve. Perhaps that is the way for them to ignore the the corruption that works behind closed doors in this province.


David Amos 
Reply to @Harold Wood: I wholeheartedly agree sir
David Amos  
Reply to @Harold Wood: Need I say welcome to the circus as you scroll down ?


















Marguerite Deschamps
Ludmow Hall, then!


David Amos
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Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you are too dumb to quit flogging a dead horse N'esy Pas? 
 

David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Too Too Funny 


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: "lord and behold; and we were just waiting for the dumbest to join in!"

Surprise Surprise Surprise When I did I was blocked

FYI Methinks everybody knows its "Lo and behold" and "Carved in stone" unless on parle Chiac then anything goes N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks the SANB and all the wannabe liberal lawyers wish to forget that lawyers such as George Duncan Ludlow and Sir John A. MacDonald were men of their times just like the Yankee rebels Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were. The slavery issue south of the 49th was not settled until after the Yankees suffered through a rebellion of their own However thanks to the Brits indentured servants (white slavery) remained in Canada for quite sometime after MacDonald made a deal with the Queen and created the Dominion of Canada N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps 
Ludmow Hall, then!














Lou Bell
I guess that would mean U de M should be shedding lots of names on it's buildings ! Maybe just call them all " The SANB/ followed by Law or Arts or Kinesiology , whichever building their Liberal endorsers steer OUR money to ! And even the sports fields they tried steering the millions of OUR money to through the franco phonie games


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Lou DumbBell: so obsessed about U de M, SANB aren't you! How about getting your head examined?


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should take your own advice N'esy Pas? 
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I will. And I suggest, so should you, with your silly and redundant "N'esy pas". 


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks a little Chiac from Fundy Royal has been a valuable tool to help expose the motives of the SANB and many questionable political people who support its malicious nonsense throughout my native land before the writ is dropped N'esy Pas?


















James Vander
I can't get over how delicate a society we've become. So, do we change history and take out all the "bad parts"? Or do we learn from history and move on? Hiding the truth never seems to do much good. Good or bad, it's what has happened.....


Helen Gorne
Reply to @James Vander: "Social Media ?"

David Amos
Reply to @James Vander: I agree


David Amos
Reply to @James Vander: Hmmm

"McGill, who only recently felt comfortable about speaking out on the issue, said the university knows enough about Ludlow to know what a problem his history is for students.

"It says to me that the university doesn't care about history and about truth and about reconciliation," she said. "It made me feel very unwelcome."

Methinks if Madame McGill truly means what she says then she should employ the skills taught to her in Ludlow Hall to sue UNB in order to force it to change the name of the building N'esy Pas?







Marc Bourque
OMG it’s part of history !!


David Amos  
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Double DUHHH???


Marc Bourque
Reply to @David Amos: its double duhhhh for those who want to change the past..aim your cannon elsewhere .

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Marc Bourque: a dark part of history, I might add.


David Amos 
Reply to @Marc Bourque: Methinks you desperate SANB dudes are the loose cannons on deck N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: and you're just firing blanks.


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should look for your name published elsewhere N'esy Pas? 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I'm not like you; I do not thrive getting my name in the news.


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you know as well as I why my name is rarely in the news but it is all over the Internet as is yours because you attacked me N'esy Pas? 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: attack you? I would never do such a thing. You are so sensitive!


Mac Isaac 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: NOW, that's a good one! Good onya, Mme. Deschamps. 
 

David Amos

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Reply to @Mac Isaac: A little Deja Vu for you two

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right


David Amos 
Reply to @Mac Isaac: A typical response 














Rod McLeod
Smarten up!
   
David Amos  
Reply to @Rod McLeod: DUHHH???



















Jason McTavish
@Marguerite Deschamps: Elizabeth the first and Henry the eight came way after the Magna Carta. They were tyrants of the worst king that would bring the Kadafi and Saddam Hussein regimes to shame.
--------> But of course, you would simply re-name whatever it is after Shakespeare and sweep old Henry VIII and Elizabeth I under the rug, right Marguerite?



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Jason McTavish: the Magna Carta dates all the way back to King John; prince John as he was known in the Robin Hood TV series.


David Amos   
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks some folks don't watch TV as much as you do N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: that was when I was just a little kid.

















Jason McTavish
@Marguerite Deschamps: Elizabeth the first and Henry the eight came way after the Magna Carta. They were tyrants of the worst king that would bring the Kadafi and Saddam Hussein regimes to shame.
----------->The reign of Elizabeth I and Henry VIII, respectively, was hardly "totalitarian" under any competent definition of the term. Not even Louis XIV, the absolute ruler of France, could be said to have had a totalitarian regime. Totalitarianism means total state control over all forms of communication, expression, thought, belief, public activity. It's a 20th century and to a lesser extent 21st century phenomenon. It's totally false to compare the English monarchs from 400 years ago to the power and control of Muammar Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein.



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Jason McTavish: off went your head if you dared question their authority! Where's the difference ?


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks thats the reason the RCMP keeping trying to lock me up N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: they are forever suspicious of bikers, maybe.


















Jef Cronkhite
Am I the only person who thinks that judging events of the past by today's standards is ludicrous? This is all getting out of hand. Society has changed drastically, just in the past 25 years, and to hold anyone or anything from our past up to today's standards is an exercise in futility!
There is not very much in humanity's past that could stand in the light of the standards we have set for ourselves for today. Very few of our "heroes" of the past could possibly endure the scrutiny on their lives and actions that we are setting in the world as it stands now.
In OUR future, new generations are going to see what WE did, in our time. Do we want our progeny looking at back at US, and judging US by THEIR standards? Standards that we don't currently adhere to, or that don't even exist yet?
I think we need places like this to LEARN from, and we need to face the mistakes of our past so that we don't repeat them again in the future. We need to realize that people who came before us had different lives, different challenges, and a much different moral code than we have now. Certainly, we don't need to glorify the mistakes of the past, but we can't be vilifying people for doing what was considered right and correct in the age in which they lived. 



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: no doubt that our generation will be judged harshly by the generations to come; if they do come, that is!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks some folks are already judging you rather harshly and deservedly so N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: judges without any power at all! What would I care?


Steve Dueck 
Reply to @Jef Cronkhite: political correctness gone amuck... 
 
Roger Richard
Reply to @Jef Cronkite: "In OUR future, new generations are going to see what WE did, in our time. Do we want our progeny looking at back at US, and judging US by THEIR standards? Standards that we don’t currently adhere to, or that don’t even exist yet? »
If we take for exemple the wireless technology, yes we will be judged harshly. We do not want to look at the evidences to set up standards that reflect reality. It is because that technology is so convenient.



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Roger Richard: you sure get my drift, Roger!


David Amos 
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Reply to @Roger Richard: You tell them mon ami. Methinks you should ignore Deschamps trying to steal your thunder and lower the boom of the VERY insincere SANB/liberal wacko N'esy Pas?




















Marguerite Deschamps
How about naming the building after Saint John native, Abraham Beverley Walker, the first Canadian-born black lawyer then. Being dead, he would qualify.


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks the SANB and your lawyer buddies are no doubt very proud of you today N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I don't know. I didn't ask them.



















Helen Gorne
Helen of Troy was not the nicest lady on the block, maybe I should change my name.


Helen Gorne
Reply to @Helen Gorne: How about Boudicea ?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Helen Gorne: Helen Deschamps! Good point!


Dan Lee 
Reply to @Helen Gorne:
But....But....it was said she was sommmmme beauty.............l



David Amos 

Content disabled
Reply to @Dan Lee: Methinks everyone is far better looking than your buddy Deschamps N'esy Pas?


Dan Lee  
Reply to @David Amos:
Even you???????



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Dan Lee: hard to tell with that beard he is hiding behind!


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you SANB dudes forgot that I was clean shaven in the provincial election last fall N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: I did not follow you enough to know. Pardon my ignorance, oh great one!


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Pure D BS


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: if you think so...





















Wally Manza
many have in the past felt unwelcome studying in the building, many do today and if this is New Brunswick, many in the future will.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Wally Manza: you betcha!

Dan Lee
Reply to @Wally Manza:
i wonder who did the labour to build it..........



Peter Pelkey
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: the past is the past is the past. Can't change it so "Get Over It!"


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Peter Pelkey: good point! Let's embrace today's bilingual New Nouveau-Brunswick and Canada!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methnks you will never quit pounding on the SANB drum N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: NEVER!!!


James Risdon 
Reply to @Wally Manza: There are other universities. No-one is forcing them to attend UNB.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: as I have already stated; it was the only law school in New Nouveau-Brunswick prior to 1978.


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks poor Newfoundland ain't got a law school yet and they joined Canada before even I was born N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: neither does P.E.I. 
 

James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Big deal. It's not like someone can't move to another province and study there. Kids do it all the time. I didn't live in my parents' house when I went to university.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: neither did I! I was just replying to David. You are quoting me out of context. 
 

James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I'm not quoting you at all. See? No quotation marks.


David Amos   
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks you two deserve each other N'esy Pas? 
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: yet you cannot resist joining the fray!


David Amos    
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks everybody knows I love the Circus particularly as I watch two Clowns dicing about religion. Small wonder I call you dudes dumb and dumber. I trust that all your liberal/SANB buddies know that Risdon was the Master of Disaster for the KISS Party during the last election N'esy Pas?
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: just like you, David! Only James got more votes than you.



















Bob Smith
Given the majority of buildings on the UNB campus are named after British named people of the past, renaming the structures to satisfy today's society could be a huge problem....


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Bob Smith: rather a good riddance!


Bob Smith 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Whitewashing of history isn't always a good thing...and where do you stop? English...French...Catholic...Baptist...Indigenous...hard to find names of the past that don't have connections to incidents that today's populace find offensive.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Bob Smith: Noname buildings perhaps?


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks we should put the name you use on one N'esy Pas?


Junkman George
Reply to @Bob Smith:

Unicorn Hall, or how about Rainbow Hall?
I'm sure there are many meaningless choices......................
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Junkman George: "Rainbow Hall". Hadn't thought of that one!


James Risdon 
Reply to @Junkman George: The rainbow is the symbol of God's covenant with His people, His promise that there would never be a flood to wipe out all life on the planet.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: not any more!


James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: If you check with catechism teachers the world over, you will learn that young children are still being taught that the rainbow is a symbol of God's covenant with His people.

http://www.catholic-saints.info/catholic-symbols/rainbow-christian-symbol.htm



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: I guess you will now say that the symbol has been hyjacked by the devil!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should know N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: what is it that I'm supposed to know?


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I do not consider LGBTQ+ people to be any more the devil than I am. We're all just people, hopefully trying go live good, decent lives in spite of whatever failings and foibles may have.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: your church abolished the limbo. Did they now abolish hell and its devils?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: then why don't you tell your almighty guy in the sky to put an end to all the pain and suffering of innocent beings going on in his creation. Or Better yet, tell your pope who claims to be his representative down here on this planet to tell him himself. After all, didn't one of his predecessor proclaim that he was infallible?


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I'm not sure what this theological discussion has to do with the naming a law school building in Fredericton. It seems to me you've veered way, way off subject.

If you'd like more information on the actual teachings of the Roman Catholic church, then I invite you to consult with the Catechism of the Catholic Church online at http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I am sure the CBC would agree that this is not the place for a detailed lesson on the fundamentals of the Catholic faith.



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: "The rainbow is the symbol of God's covenant with His people, His promise that there would never be a flood to wipe out all life on the planet."
Then why were you the first to bring up your god into the equation? You sound a lot like Trump, forgetting what you said just a few minutes ago.
 
James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I sound like a billionaire capitalist reality show star who beat all the odds to become president of one of the most powerful nations on Earth? Thanks! That's quite a compliment.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: only in the good ole US of A such a klown could get elected and keep on acting as such.


Marguerite Deschamps 
The same powerful nation where they consistently mass-murder each other. There is news of another one as I write. Sure something to be proud of! The folly of it all is that the sale of firearms will go up as a result. 
  

David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Cry me a river



















Jason McTavish
it would be worth looking at the experience of really old universities like Oxford and Cambridge, which have colleges with names dating back to literally the medieval period. Surely they have run into this controversy themselves as British society changed over the centuries. It would be worth examining how they have handled the issue. There is a very fine balance between amending public names to reflect contemporary societal values that are at odds with the societal values at the time, and erasing the past. 


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: such a good example you are giving! A country that prides itself of being a democracy all the while clinging to vestiges of a totalitarian system of a bygone era. What an oxymoron clinging to such malarkey!


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: No, totalitarianism is a very uniquely 20th century phenomenon, and to some extent that 21st. The democracy there goes straight back to the Magna Carta. I think it's an extremely good example because those are ancient universities, among the very, very best in the world, and they have probably been faced with this issue and have some experience dealing with it.


Marguerite Deschamps   
Reply to @Jason McTavish: Elizabeth the first and Henry the eight came way after the Magna Carta. They were tyrants of the worst king that would bring the Kadafi and Saddam Hussein regimes to shame.


Helen Gorne
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Perhaps the energy you expend in anger about times past could be put to constructive use in the present troubled world.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Helen Gorne: not angry at all; just stating what went on in history. Would it be the truth that angers you?



David Amos 

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Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks the awful truth is that the truth is what angers you N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps
David, can't reply to you. Your post went "poof" Shucks !

 
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you know the reason why because its the same reason yours are going "poof" as well N'esy Pas?


















Jason McTavish
Here in Edmonton we have an oil industry. We also have a university called the University of Alberta that runs about a 2 billion dollar a year budget. A lot of that is paid by the oil industry. Through taxes. We all know that the oil industry is terrible and destroying the world. This means that the University of Alberta's name should be changed to the University of Strathcona, due to its location in the Strathcona neighbourhood of Edmonton. British Columbia's University should be called the University of Pacific knowledge, because we all know that British Columbia was very discriminatory towards Asians at some point in the past. By erasing the past, and ignoring the past, young generations will be well prepared to deal with the future. Also, when things are named after causes that are falling out of fashion, everyone knows that the name should be changed, the history and the tradition notwithstanding.


Mac Isaac
Reply to @Jason McTavish: Don't be too sure, Mr. McTavish, that somebody at a future time and date won't find some smidgen of information that will tarnish Lord Strathcona's name...after all he did live just a jot of time after Mr. Ludlow and we know how persnickety some can be about being "from another time"! No, I suggest we leave all buildings, bridges and the like nameless, so Ludlow Hall could be called "That big gray building just above that road that goes the west entrance to UNB...you know the one...the one that's just down from STU...oh forget about!"


James Risdon
Reply to @Mac Isaac: If you're looking to give directions in New Brunswick, the secret is to tell someone to go where the thing that used to be there but has now been demolished and replaced used to be.

Something like ... "Keep going straight until you get to the big white rock where Theriault's Grocery Store used to be. Then, turn right and go until the old train tracks beside the Wendy's. Take the demolished fishing plant road to the end and beside John Gray's dad's chicken coop you'll find the entrance to the road beside the maple that used to be there. You can't miss it!"



David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks you should ask directions to find a certain road the connect Wards Creek to the Fundy Park Road then ask why the name was changed by the province recently N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: why would we even want to go there?



Marguerite Deschamps
Well, just to sing:
This land is my land



David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Who is we?



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: me, myself and I!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Me Myself and I???

Methinks there are no coincidences I have no doubt that you are teasing me about the name of YouTube video mine about the night I was talking to Steve Murphy about the reasons why I was running in the election of the 39th Parliament against your buddies N'esy Pas?




Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: which buddies of mine?

















Jason McTavish
This is an easy one. That's a law school. People bust their a ss to get in, to stay in, and then to make their careers as lawyers. They're the ones who have the right to suggest what the name should be, not busy bodies here who have nothing better to do on a Saturday morning.


James Risdon 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: So .... You wouldn't accept my suggestion that it should be renamed the University of James Risdon? ;-)

Jason McTavish
Reply to @James Risdon: I think that's a great idea. )


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: yet having admitted that you have never attended this law school, you are advocating keeping the Ludlow name. How about practising what you preach?


James Risdon  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I think so too. I've never had slaves or given money to prop up a residential school. That should be enough. My lack of a law degree or any meaningful contribution to our legal system should not in any way be a hindrance to renaming the university after me.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Jason McTavish: no! James Risdon is still alive. This rules him out. You said it!


James Risdon   
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: You could rename the university to University of James Risdon and claim it is being named in honour of my namesake, a young man who took part in the Klondike gold rush and returned home a millionaire. He's dead now.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: Oh! That James Risdon, you impostor!


James Risdon   
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I'm the valuable James Risdon. He was just my precursor, like John the Baptist for Jesus - or a warm-up act before the big star.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: I would make an exception in your case, even though you are still alive.


James Risdon   
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I'm afraid I've become quite lost and confused during our exchange and now no longer know what it is you are proposing.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: naming the UNB law school after you!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks that would feed your pal's ego too much and we would subject to much more of his nonsense N'esy Pas?


David Amos 
Reply to @James Risdon: WOW

" I've never had slaves or given money to prop up a residential school. That should be enough. My lack of a law degree or any meaningful contribution to our legal system should not in any way be a hindrance to renaming the university after me."



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: like that TV commercial: "Feeding your wild side! Messing with Sasquatch!" ... aka David Amos.
















James Risdon
If we're going to try to appease social justice warriors by removing the names of men and women who have held unpopular beliefs from buildings, the only solution I can see is to name all buildings after newborn infants who have not yet done anything at all.


Mac Isaac
Reply to @James Risdon: Ahhhh, but they WILL and there's the rub! Some future generation will be faced with the onerous task of defacing or banishing their names


James Risdon 
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Correction then. Comatose newborn infants.


Marguerite Deschamps 
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Reply to @James Risdon: who knows; you may qualify!  


David Amos
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Yea Right


Marguerite Deschamps 
@James Risdon: you qualify with the flyng colours of the rainbow!


















James Risdon
I am myself Metis. I see no problem whatsoever in having a law school named after Charles Duncan Ludlow.

This is a man who lived at a time when slavery and residential schools were commonplace. Almost everyone was pro-slavery and residential schools back then. It is absurd in the extreme to judge this man based on today's human rights laws and social mores.

It's not necessary to approve of every belief and/or practice of every man or woman whose name appears on a building to recognize them for their achievements.

The fact is, it would an exhausting exercise in futility for us to expunge the names from any and all buildings, roads, bridges, rivers, lakes, cities and towns the names of any historical personage who ever held a view contrary to the current politically-correct views on Islam, LGBTQ+ rights, gun control, capitalism, socialism and/or communism, First Nations peoples, the Black rights movement, or the equality of men and women, including universal access to abortion and birth control.

Ludlow was the first chief justice of New Brunswick. It is that fact which makes him worthy of some recognition in connection with a law school.

Now, if Ludlow's name was to be used for a building housing an Indigenous Studies or Black History program, then, yes, that would be inappropriate. He did not make positive contributions in those areas. But that doesn't mean we throw out the baby with the bathwater and refuse to accept that he was a historically-significant jurist.

Most of us Metis are simply not that fragile and easily offended. We accept that even some of the great men and women of history had views that are today considered unacceptable. We don't care. We move on.

It's history. We acknowledge it but it does not define us.



Jason McTavish
Reply to @James Risdon: well said


James Risdon 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: Well, I had the good fortune of being able to get an education at Concordia University.

It's a university named after word "harmony" in Latin, a language spread throughout the world by the Roman Catholic church, a religious institution which undertook to beat back Muslims and attack their homeland in the centuries-long Crusades during which the church worked closely with feudal landlords who held their own people in a state of semi-slavery while they got rich and lived in castles and men regularly raped women during their battles in foreign lands.  



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: I have no more use for that institution than I have for all the others. And this means NADA. I have nothing but contempt for religion.

James Risdon  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I enjoyed my time at Concordia University in the bustling city of Montreal and feel I got a pretty good education there. For that, I am grateful.

I am also grateful to the Roman Catholic church for handing down the teachings of Jesus, my Lord and Saviour, and for help it has provided me, a terrible sinner, in becoming a somewhat better human being.

You are certainly entitled to hold whatever views you want on religion. I, however, maintain that loving one's neighbours, telling the truth, being grateful for what one has, and generally living a good, decent life is a worthy goal and the church has been a tremendous help for multitudes of people all over the world



Larry LeBlanc
Reply to @James Risdon: Yes it has and a couple come to mind....all the abused children, the multitudes tortured and killed in the church's name.

Religion has been and is about power and control over people...much like government.



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Larry LeBlanc: you got that one right!


David Amos
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I disagree


David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks everybody knows that you are pretty full of yourself N'esy Pas?


David Amos
Reply to @Larry LeBlanc: Methinks you should ask your buddy Deschamps why I sued Cardinal Bernard Francis Law in 2002 N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @David Amos: why ask me? Do tell!


James Risdon
Reply to @Larry LeBlanc: When we love people, we do affect them. That's true.

The many, many schools, hospitals, homeless shelters, and other services provided by Catholic charities could, I suppose, all be seen by a cynic as a way of controlling people's lives.

I, though, see them as providing a little girl with an education, healing a man's broken leg, aiding a woman being exploited by her pimp in the sex trade, and giving the teenager who runs away from an abusive home a warm, clean and safe place to stay.  



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: that pas not their way of thinking at all then.


James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: What are you saying?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @James Risdon: "was" instead of "pas". French spellcheck.


James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Okay, I'll bite. Why do you think the Catholic church built schools, hospitals, homeless shelters and so forth?


David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Methinks its not wise to play dumb for too long N'esy Pas??


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: he does not have to play. All he has to do is act naturally.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: they did some good, I'll admit. Such as the nuns teaching us good French grammar under immediate threat of a one yard ruler. I thank them for it. I learned well.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @James Risdon: some people need this drug; the opium of the masses!
 

James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: It's not a drug. It's a religion, a belief. It helps when you're discussing something to know a little bit about it before attacking it.

By the way, it was Karl Marx, the father of modern-day communism, who said religion is the opiate of the masses.

Given that communist regimes have led to the deaths of millions of people and caused untold suffering, I'm not sure this is a model worthy to be emulated or its intellectual underpinnings celebrated. It is a flawed and dangerous ideology.



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: it works very well in Scandavanian countries; consistently hailed as the best countries to live in the world. Socialists, you will say. Some say the word is a synonym for communism.


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Are you denying the horrific atrocities and millions of deaths which resulted from the implementation of communism in Russia and China?


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: not at all. Like religion, Karl Marx's message was misguided and twisted in order to control the masses. 
 

James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: So, the message Karl Marx made about religion being the opiate of the masses got twisted and you are using it to justify that you don't like religion?



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: throughout history, there have been as many atrocities committed in the name of religion, if not more, than by the communists of USSR and China. Just the crusades, the Inquisitions and the warring between Christians in Europe for centuries just to name a few.


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: So your defense of communism is that more bad things were done by another much, much larger group of people over a much, much longer period in history.

It's scary that you think that makes any sort of sense.




Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: all I am saying is that both were used as propaganda in order to control the masses. Both were used as evils.



Marguerite Deschamps
And both were ideologies or manifestos (take your pick) written by men and exploited by fanatics, I might add.


David Amos
Reply to @James Risdon: Cry me a river 


James Risdon
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I respectfully disagree.

















Jason McTavish
I suggest changing the first name of Marguerite deschamps to Margaret. the reality is that English has the stronger language nowadays. if you want to know about the Acadian contribution to New Brunswick, you can always read a textbook.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: then change your name as well. It's either Irish or Scottish.


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: the point is that just as I don't have any right to change your name or suggest that you were name should be changed, you really don't have the right to suggest changing someone's law school name, unless you actually went there, or have some commitment to it, If you did earn the right to talk about that, fine.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: how about if I wanted to attend this law school? It was the only one in New Nouveau-Brunswick prior to 1978.


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: okay, so why didn't you go if you don't mind my asking. You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. And I apologize if I was harsh.


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I'm pretty sure unb law requires bilingualism.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: Are you sure!


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: but I would bet that bilingualism is a requirement to attend U de M law school!


David Amos  
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks that really rots your SANB socks N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @David Amos: I go barefeet.

















Graeme Scott
These attempts to ensure that absolutely nobody is offended by anything offend me!


David Amos
Reply to @Graeme Scott: Me Too 
 
Marguerite Deschamps 
You guys sure have thin skin! Come on; you are tougher than that!
















Jason McTavish
There's a trend toward erasing history and pretending the past didn't happen. It's not the answer.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: history remains, but the names are erased from the buildings!
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: doesn't work that way. And unless you either did the hard work of studying there, graduated, or, you teach there, it's really hard to see why somehow you think that you have the right even to suggest changing the name. why don't we all suggest changing your name. English, after all, is the dominant language, whether you like it or not. How about changing your first name to Margaret? We can consult a textbook if we want to know about the French and Acadian commitment to New Brunswick.


David Amos
Reply to @Jason McTavish: Methinks it was rather comical all the nonsense around Sir John A. MacDonald's statue in BC Hence it was only a matter time New Brunswick would be subject to more of the same N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
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Reply to @David Amos: John, the drunk, you mean.  


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: John the pickle, you mean.


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks even you must find it comical that your last comment within this thread did not stand the test of time like so many others of ours N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: if not comical, certainly amusing!



















Jason McTavish
British Columbia at one point had a lot of discrimination toward Canadians of Asian and especially Chinese. This means that the name of the University of British Columbia should be changed to the University of Pacific Knowledge.

Alberta has an oil industry and everybody knows that that's bad. This means that the name of the University of Alberta should be changed to the University of Edmonton.



David Amos  
Reply to @Jason McTavish: NOPE


















Jason McTavish
Keep the name. Ludlow probably also did a lot of good. And pretending history didn't happen isn't the answer.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: the best way to make amends is to rename the building the "GRAYDON NICHOLAS HALL"!


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: why don't you ask the people who attend that law School how how they feel about it. Not just one person who happens to be in the article. You obviously don't have any personal stake in the issue. You never attended there. Really, who are you to say what they should be named?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: how do you know if I don't have a personal stake there?


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: seriously, you're a graduate of the University of New Brunswick law faculty?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: how about you; are you?


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: I'm not. Which is part of the reason I don't presume to weigh in on what someone's law school should be called. Are you?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: "Keep the name. Ludlow probably also did a lot of good. And pretending history didn't happen isn't the answer." Yes, you did; the proof is in the pudding!


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: erasing history as you propose is exactly the wrong thing to do. people should be aware of not only the good things, but also the not-so-good things in the past. Pretending that the past didn't happen is you propose, isn't the solution. and it is, in my view, very presumptuous of you, with no stake in the University of New Brunswick Law school, at least that you will acknowledge, to somehow weigh in on the issue.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I have never acknowledged anything of the sort, one way or the other.

Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: history remains, but the statues go!


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: what about a petition to the change your name to Margaret Deschaps? I'd sign it! English is the stronger language, and it's time you acknowledged that.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I see! You now wish to make this a language issue!


Mac Isaac 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: While I have nothing at all against Mr. Nicholas, I think I must pass on to you, while you're on this "draft Nicholas" bandwagon that the age old custom for naming of buildings, institutions and the like, is to have the decency to wait until the namee is actually dead. Such is not the case, to my knowledge, of the estimable Mr. Nicholas...on the other hand Ludlow is very much dead and no doubt, you will be elated at that news...can't harm anybody else. Now, on to other windmills Ms Deschamps.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Jason McTavish: I do acknowledge it. This is why I can speak and write the English language fluently just as I can the other official language. I also can get by in Spanish and Italian.


Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: the point is I don't have the right even to suggest that you change your name. Your name is your name. You don't have the right to suggest changing some law school's name, unless you have some interest in it, like you did the hard work of going there, or you teach there. if you did, where do, that is one thing, if you did not, then really, who cares what you think.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: "Keep the name. Ludlow probably also did a lot of good".
You admitted to having never attended this law school, yet your opinion is that it should keep its name. What gives you the right to voice your opinion on the subject anymore than me; just because you think you're English?



Jason McTavish 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: the point is, a couple things. First, I don't really think I have the right to weigh in, because I never attended the institution, so I find it amazing that other people think that somehow they have that right. But second, I also don't think that changing the name and erasing the past is really the answer to address prior wrongs.

Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Jason McTavish: BUT YOU DID !!!!


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks its time for your nap N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: nope! Time for a good meal!


Dan Lee
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Ahhh 3 lobsters for dinner was excellant.....................they are not full but still good



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Dan Lee: they will fill later in the season. Yum!


David Amos 
Reply to @Mac Isaac: Welcome back to the circus


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: here comes the Klown!

















Mac Isaac
Again and again we are going to repeatedly see and hear of cases where someone from a past era has black mark against his/her character based on present day (as in NOW!) standards and it is, to me, as morally repugnant as using today's standards as hallmarks for the evils and wrongs of some past time. It is unconscionable that, as a society, we continue to allow those who want to say, "Okay, if this guy lived today, he would be found guilty of crimes against humanity." The problem is, he didn't/doesn't live today and as much as those crimes, TODAY, would be judged rightly, as despicable, the fact remains this person obviously had some merit, in his day, or he would never have become New Brunswick's Chief Justice.
This is akin to the nonsense found on social media that seeks to rile the public with, at best, specious arguments using today's laws and standards in regards to things done 200 years ago. Most laws are not retroactive for a reason...this is a classic reason! 



Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Mac Isaac: yet some advancing this argument will not give any credit to Dominic's judgeship appointments. By the same reasoning, these persons also obviously had merit too, eh?


Mack Leigh
Reply to @Mac Isaac:
Well said, however those whose wish is to rewrite history have their own disgusting agenda and are quite okay with forced social engineering...



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Mack Leigh: and some others will say you have yours.


David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Methinks everybody has an agenda and I am the only political animal honest enough to admit it N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @David Amos: I admit it too. Therefore I am honest.
















Marguerite Deschamps
The "Graydon Nicholas Hall" would look good!


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: NOPE


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: YUP!

















Murray Brown
Fighting historical ignorance and intolerance by being intolerant is not sensible. We can't rewrite history, but we can learn from it. And these attempts to change names and tear down statues of historical figures for the convenience of a few is foolish nonsense. In the late 18th and early 19th century practically everybody supported or accepted slavery and attempts during those times to educate indigenous people was likely considered as a generosity rather than a subjugation of indigenous culture. History happened. Do not try to erase it, lean from it.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Murray Brown: more eradicate thn educate, I say!


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Murray Brown: what better way of learning from history than taking down the names and statues of these infamous characters.


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks revealing the awful truth is the only way to go but you SANB dudes would never agree with that N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @David Amos: I cannot speak for la SANB. Ask them.
















Terrance Thomasen
Karen McGill, who graduates in October from the law school in Fredericton and is a member of the Manitoba Metis Federation, said she found it difficult to have to see the name on her way to class.

Little lady. You are going to be a lawyer. If this persons name is making life difficult for you, the uphill struggle you face is huge.



David Amos
Reply to @Terrance Thomasen: YUP


Marguerite Deschamps   
Reply to @David Amos: she should take this advice from the famous lawyer, the self-professed second coming of J. J. Robinette.
















Graeme Scott
Very few historical figures of 200+ years ago will survive having their political and social views examined through the lens of the 21st century. Are we to eradicate all of our prominent historical leaders who don't pass the test of 21st century morality and political correctness?


Marguerite Deschamps   
Reply to @Graeme Scott: then so be it!


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks we should study you and the SANB too N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps   
Reply to @David Amos: why me? Like you, I'm harmless.

















Marguerite Deschamps  
That June 15th, 1816 announcement by that Caleb Jones is nothing to be proud of. Just wondering if he was related to that infamous former mayor of Moncton, by any chance?


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you have your knickers in quite a knot today N'esy Pas?

Marguerite Deschamps   
Reply to @David Amos: you sure are calm yourself! Are you on Valiums?
















Marguerite Deschamps  
They should rip that awful name from the building and rename it "Nicholas" Hall.
Ludlow is like the limbo; how low can you go!!!!

Graydon Nicholas CM ONB is an attorney, judge, and politician who served as the appointed 30th Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick. He is the first Aboriginal person to hold the office, the first to be appointed as a provincial court judge, and the first in Atlantic Canada to obtain a law degree. - Wikipedia



David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks everybody knows why I strongly disagree N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps    
Reply to @David Amos: I have no idea.


David Amos 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you and all the liberals and everybody else in SANB knows he is one of the many lawyers who illegally barred me from parliamentary properties which why I sued your Queen in Federal Court while Harper was still the PM and I was running for a seat in Parliament again N'esy Pas? 


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: You sued my queen! I have a queen? Are you telling that I am a serf? The horror! 



















Matt Steele
Well , if folks are going to start changing names of everything because someone feels offended ; then they should change the names of the Romeo LeBlanc International Airport in Moncton ; and the Pierre Elliot Trudeau International Airport in Montreal . I am deeply offended when I have to enter those two airports after all the damage that those two people have done to Canada ; so lets change those names as well .


Marguerite Deschamps
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Dan Lee
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Now that is a good one.....................wish i could give you 2 plus



Lou Bell
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Another song comin' there Marc uerite / Al Clark ? Sure you can come up with something else you've been " disadvantaged " with .


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Matt Steele: thankfully, all these George Ludlow linke-minded thinking people will soon be gone and New Nouveau-Brunswick will finally be at peace.


Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Lou Bell: and I thought it was the unilingual Anglophones who are disadvantaged. That's all we read about on here!


Lou Bell 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Naw , it's the Francophones who claim to be so disadvantaged. Not really sure why they returned , and probably would have been better if they hadn't. The " what about me and my past " generation is never ending.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Lou Bell: the proof of who the whiners are on here is manifest and overwhelming.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @Lou Bell: not really sure why you came in the first place as things were much better before including our rapports with the First Nations.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Lou Bell: we could say the same about you, but alas, you are here and so am I. We now have to make the beat of it.


Marguerite Deschamps 
"best".


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Lou Bell: although you pretend not to like Trump, I see that you think a lot like him. For you, it would have been better if we never returned and you had succeeded in eradicating those who were here for time immemorial.


Mack Leigh 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:

Rapport with the First Nations ? Francophones and Catholics were the main stake holders and overseers of the Indigenous schools ... Also it was Cardinal Richelieu who ordered all French in Canada to , and I quote " Breed the Natives out ".... So if that is rapport ....no thanks.



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Mack Leigh: all Europeans treated these people who were here for time immemorial in the most abhorrent ways. Maybe we could ask one of them such as the author of the book: "We Were Not the Savages", by Daniel Paul? I read the book. He claims that the worst were the Spanish, then the English, then the French, in that order. Nothing to be proud of by any of them!


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks if you want a true education you should read Ben Franklin's auto biography and Louis Riel's diary as well It is their words N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: they too eh?


















Dan Lee
 Another loyalist with a claim to fame on colored people or my native ancestors......some people here would rather hide history than show their shame


David Amos
Reply to @Dan Lee: YUP

Methinks you should go to Havelock and read a rock about the my Loyalist Forefathers in order to understand how we may be related N'esy Pas?



Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @David Amos: oh that's where the saying "cast" in stone hails from!




















Mack Leigh
Stop trying to erase our history.......learn from it and hopefully do not repeat it.......Use Ludlow as a learning tool while realizing that the " wrongs " of today were not considered " wrong " in yester year.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Mack Leigh: this awful history will remain. It's this awful name that we want to be ripped off from the building!


Mack Leigh 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps:
Are you going to rip every name off of every building if it is someone who , in your opinion, has done wrong ? Or will it just be a selective cleansing ? Are you prepared to have Cardinal Richelieu, the Pope , various other religious orders and person's names removed from everything and anything ? I highly suspect ....not... Just more of your approved forced social engineering....and it is wrong..in my opinion...



Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Mack Leigh: "Are you prepared to have Cardinal Richelieu, the Pope , various other religious orders and person's names removed from everything and anything ?" - They would be the first to go.


Marguerite Deschamps 
... just like that defrocked priest, Camille Léger, whose name was ripped down from the Cap Pelė arena. Good riddance!


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks Cardinal Bernard Francis Law's name should live in infamy as well N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: all of them!


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Anti-religious bigotry is a terrible thing.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: I am entitled to my non-beliefs! Liberty of religion includes not practising any and pointing out their flaws. Too bad if I offend infantile beliefs in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny!


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @James Risdon: atheists have rights too, you know! They too have been persecuted more than their fair share. Author of the "God Delusion", Richard Dawkins, could not get police protection when he came to give talk shows in the US.


James Risdon 
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: It's a shame you can't see the difference between being an atheist and being an anti-religious bigot. 
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @James Risdon: it's a shame that a grownup like you still believes in old myths written thousands of years ago in order to control the masses, more particularly women.


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks that dumb and dumber are still hard at it because you dudes don't know when to quit flogging a dead horse N'esy Pas? 
 

Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @David Amos: lord and behold; and we were just waiting for the dumbest to join in!





















McKenzie King
You can't change history and you can't blame people for following the laws of the day many years ago. If you are going to disqualify names for building, you may be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't done something to someone to name a building after. Ms. McGill is not from NB so if she was so traumatized from seeing the name, she could have helped ease her pain by transferring to any number of other law schools anywhere in the country.


Marguerite Deschamps  
Reply to @McKenzie King: well I can tell you that there are some from New Brunswick whose ancestors suffered under the likes of Ludlow who had no choice but to attend UNB law school given that it was the only law school in New Nouveau-Brunswick until U de M in 1978.


David Amos
Reply to @McKenzie King: Methinks its strange that I concur with the dude who shares a famous name I do not respect N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: you do not like liberals, do you? 
 


















Steve Martell
They should rename it after their favorite employee - J. Sorrano. You know, the guy that UNB helped get off with a slap on the wrist because he was a "great employee". I guess showing decapitation videos to kids and threatening a man's life is a-okay to UNB. Same guy was involved in the YMCA camera in the locker room thing a while ago and is reaaaallly into domestic violence. But what are you going to do UNB....boys will be boys


David Amos
Reply to @Steve Martell: Oh my my Methinks somebody in UNB should sit up and pay attention to your words but not for your benefit N'esy Pas?















David Sampson
Karen’s comment that she is traumatized every time she enters the building with Ludlow’s name on it is suggestive of a condition that she really needs to seek treatment for.

We must stop rewriting our history. For good, or bad, it’s our history and ought to be used to educate not silence.



David Amos
Reply to @David Sampson: I disagree


















Thomas Imber
Rename Ludlow Hall and my donations to UNB will end, along with many others I suspect.


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Thomas Imber: as they say, $$$$$money talks!


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Thomas Imber: there's always the U de M law school that you can donate to, le pavillon Adrien J. Cormier!


Lou Bell
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: U de M Not really a Law School , more like a prep school for the SANB Liberals .
 
Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Lou Bell, next on the list; a name change from New Nouveau-Brunswick to l'Acadie Acadia!


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @Lou Bell: Bernard Lord is a CONservative. He went to U de M, as did J. P. Barry, NHL player agent, Michael Murphy, a prominent lawyer and many more.


David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks you should say hey to Mikey and Brian Murphy for me N'esy Pas?


Marguerite Deschamps 
Reply to @David Amos: why don't you do it? - You are more susceptible to cross path with them than I am.






UNB law students call for Ludlow Hall name change because of slavery link

Building was named for Loyalist with connections to slavery, residential schools




Jordan Gill · CBC News · Posted: Oct 10, 2019 6:30 AM AT



UNB Law Students’ Society wants George Duncan Ludlow's name removed from the law faculty building 'without delay.' (Joe MacDonald/CBC)


Law students at the University of New Brunswick are officially asking that George Duncan Ludlow's name be removed from the law faculty building.

The UNB Law Students' Society passed a resolution asking the name be removed "without delay" from Ludlow Hall on the Fredericton campus.

Molly Murphy, president of the society, said law students drafted a document that laid out why the name is problematic,  and the resolution passed at the annual general meeting.

"The feedback at the forum was unanimous in support of removal of the name," said Murphy.



Ludlow has been called 'the leading judicial partisan of slavery in New Brunswick.' (archive.org)


Karen McGill, who graduates in October from the law school, has been vocal in her opposition to the building's name.

"I'm really, truly proud of the Law Students' Society for first, listening to the concerns of students such as myself and secondly, transforming those concerns into action through their advocacy," McGill said.

"I think that's tremendous that the law student body did that collectively."
Ludlow was the province's first chief justice and was instrumental in crafting some of the colony's first statutes.

However, he was also alleged to have owned slaves. He ruled in favour of slavery in New Brunswick and participated in a precursor to residential schools for Indigenous children.

Writing in a 1995 issue of the UNB Law Journal, historian Barry Cahill called Ludlow "the leading judicial partisan of slavery in New Brunswick."



Students considering the issue were 'unanimous in support of removal of the name,' said Molly Murphy, president of the society. (Joe MacDonald/CBC)


Murphy said she has not received a university response to the resolution.

In an emailed statement to CBC News, UNB president and vice-chancellor Paul Mazerolle confirmed the university has received the society's request.

UNB to look at naming conventions


"As a post-secondary institution committed to equity, diversity and inclusion, I and other members of UNB administration are considering our next steps in relation to naming conventions for UNB buildings," said Mazerolle.

Murphy said the society is not suggesting an alternative name for Ludlow Hall because it doesn't want to complicate its request.



The UNB Law Students' Society is calling on the university to change the name of Ludlow Hall. The law building was named after George Ludlow, who may have owned slaves, ruled in favour of slavery and participated in a precursor to residential schools. 0:50


"We are not going to muddy the conversation with suggestions for new names at this time because we want the university to know that we are serious about removing this name … there should be nothing that slows this process," she said.

McGill, who is a member of the Manitoba Metis Federation, has an idea. She is suggesting naming the building after the Wolastoqey name for the St. John River, Wolastoq.

"The river is a source of knowledge and has informed our entire history throughout time," she said.

"You know it's our lifeblood, it's who we are, it's all of us. And a very powerful symbol of our collective heritage and focal point for reclamation and reconciliation."




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Harold Dolan
Full disclosure, I attended Law School at UNB so long ago I seem to remember horse drawn carriages. I digress ...

I am also of mixed ancestral heritage, 50/50 Irish and Acadian, so my ancestral loyalties if such a thing exists, don't lay with loyalists and their influence/actions in NB, my former home.

Putting all that aside, I was wondering who chose the name and went in the direction of some further research, as I was dutifully taught at UNB Law to do, starting and stopping at the UNB Law site and found this:

"As with other UNB buildings dating from the 1960s, Ludlow Hall was named for a New Brunswick historical figure – in this case one of the province’s Loyalist “founders”. Before the American Revolution, George Ludlow (1734-1808) was a judge of the New York Supreme Court. In his New Brunswick exile he served for 24 years as the province’s first chief justice. Informally he was called its “prime minister”, reflecting his central role in drafting the colony’s initial statutes.

As UNB’s very first Law student was of Black Loyalist descent [see Abraham Walker], it can seem ironic that Chief Justice Ludlow is best-known nowadays for holding that slavery in New Brunswick was lawful even in the absence of a statute legalizing it. On two occasions (1799, 1805) lawyers brought the general question of slavery before the New Brunswick Supreme Court. In both cases Ludlow was among the judges holding slavery lawful, though other judges disagreed. When abolitionists then stopped arguing the unlawfulness of slavery as a principle and began basing their case on legal technicalities (1806), Chief Justice Ludlow co-operated with them in defeating the master’s claim."



Matt Reinhart 
Reply to @Harold Dolan: Thank you Mr. Dolan. You make a very cogent argument for maintaining the status quo. Law is a "science" of nuances, which makes the study of law so compelling. I still, in my senior years, wish I had joined some of my friends and studied it...at Ludlow Hall! I think it's important for there to be divergent views on this subject because racism and political correctness are both very much part of the current social dialogue we're having. Thank you, sir, for giving us one of those views which is divergent from those of this current student. If she ever becomes a judge I hope she'll keep in mind that her views might not be the same as those of the rest of society. Was Mr. Ludlow actually a racist or was he actually simply a judicial theoretician practising his craft? It's been said that a good lawyer should be able to argue both sides of case with equal conviction...  
 
 
Mac Isaac
Reply to @Harold Dolan: So you "rest your case" without any reference to Ludlow's involvement with residential schools, and his support for removing Indigenous children from their parents?
 
 
Barry Odonnell 
Reply to @Matt Reinhart: It is ludicrous. I compare it to the people running around spray painting statues of Sir John A. MacDonald because he was involved in the residential schools, totally ignoring the fact that the man was the founder of our country and a great Prime Minister. Whiny lefties.
 
 
Mac Isaac 
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: In FACT, your statement is quite and very wrong in one respect. "lefties" as a voice, do not unanimously support such a move. In FACT, Mr. Odonell, it isn't "lefties" that want this; rather it is revisionist twits that want to write yesteryears history through the prism of their 20th-21st century eyes...NOTHING at all to do with their being "lefties". Those of us who are on the left and those of you who are on the right would do well to remember that not all issues are "left" or "right". (see my comment above)










Steve Gordon
If UNB follows through with this stupid request I will no longer be proud to say I am a UNB alumni and they can kiss any future donations from me goodbye.













Matt Steele
It is very doubtful that the great majority of these students could care less about the name of Ludlow Hall one way or another ; but have jumped on the anti Ludlow band wagon because of peer pressure where a few control the many . It is only a name , it is time for these students to grow up from their sheltered lives , and get over it . Changing a name on a building accomplishes NOTHING !


Colin Seeley
Reply to @Matt Steele:
Let’s all change our names.

We could start with a name like Molly which comes from the Hebrew origin.
In Hebrew The meaning of the name Molly is: Diminutive of Mary: Wished-for child; rebellion; bitter.
 
 
Marc Bourque
Reply to @Matt Steele: The same goes for calling out the politicians.People have been whipped into submission and are afraid to speak up less we get the wrath of the left..its all peer pressure by society..














Harold Wood
Here we go again, let's erase history. Right or wrong this seems to be the trend today but denial does not eliminate history. The article seems to indicate this man did some good for the country and slavery was common worldwide.Over the years fortunately this practice has been abandoned in most countries. Too bad these future legislators are not as quick to come forth protesting the failures of our present day politicians who are adept at covering up corruption and ethics breaches etc.


Mack Leigh
Reply to @Harold Wood:
Well said !! Ludlow was a man of the era however overall he achieved many positives for NB and Canada as a whole.
 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Harold Wood: Corruption is not something new. Haven't you heard of the golden rule? The one with the gold makes the rules.



HMMM Where have I read that rule before??? 

Oh Yea I posted it within CBC countless times




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