David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks everybody knows why the LIEbrano Propaganda Machine CBC deletes so many comments N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/federal-government-could-tell-you-when.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-legal-challenge-federal-carbon-tax-1.5096256
Federal government could tell you when to drive if carbon price law stands, court told
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Henri Bianchi
Where is the peer
reviewed evidence that a carbon tax in Canada is going to have a
measurable impact on the temperature of the planet?
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Henri Bianchi:
Where is the evidence of any Conservative supporters who don't believe that they and Canada should pull their weight or more in this existential threat against life as we know it on the planet earth?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard
Sharp: Methinks I see lots of evidence that desperate liberals post
desperate things while their heroes fly around the world promoting fear
and more taxation N'esy Pas?
Rachael Saunders
Carbon tax punishes those who most can't afford to put gas in their car,, heat their home and put food on the table. The cost of everything goes up and the quality of your life goes down, accordingly.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rachael Saunders: "Carbon tax punishes those who most can't afford to put gas in their car,, heat their home and put food on the table"
Methinks we can trust that wealthy jet-setters such as Justin Trudeau, Bill Morneau, David Suzuki and Al Gore don't care N'esy Pas?
Cyrus Manz
Taxing Canadians into POVERTY will not change the weather.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Cyrus Manz: 'Taxing Canadians into POVERTY will not change the weather.'
Oh So True and well worth repeating
Aidan Molson
Doesn't matter what comes of this - Mr Scheer will be PM in roughly 6 months and he's already on record saying he will scrap the Carbon Tax. So this tax is dead one way or the other.
Glen robert
Reply to @Aidan Molson:
And who says Sheer will win?
I am betting on a three way minority
David R. Amos
Reply to @Glen robert: "I am betting on a three way minority"
Me Too
Me Too
Kent Worthy
Only a lib would think taxing the air is a good idea.
I'm glad we voted in the PC's. They're the only ones standing up for Ontarians.
Troy Mann
Reply to @Kent Worthy:
"This tax isn't about pollution. It's about wealth transfer, and doesn't do anything to address co2 emissions. "
OMG, economics 101.
All it takes is one company to lower their emissions, lower their costs, and undercut the competition.
This is grade school stuff.
David Allan
Reply to @Kent Worthy:
CO2 is not air
Air is made up of many molecules
If our air has too much oxygen it will be bad for humanity
More grade school stuff
Bob Gillies
Reply to @David Allan:
1) That was done as a joint venture with the US. Trudeau's "carbon tax" is not.
2) The penalties and regulations were applied to polluters, not consumers.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bob Gillies: "More grade school stuff "
Methinks it interesting that so many political pundits have not got past grade school N'esy Pas?
Rich Large
Contrary to what Liberals would have one believe, no one denies that climate change exists. What Conservatives don't believe is that Trudeau's carbon tax cash grab will make one bit of difference in emission output. Even his own scientists acknowledge that.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Rich Large: BINGO
Peter Fair
Relax all. According to the latest polls if the provinces win or lose the court case is immaterial. With the Conservative party at 42% the imposed carbon tax is going to have a short life.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Andrew Stephenson:
Forum is by far the worst pollster in Canada. None other comes close to its bias.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Cry me a river if you believe any pollster these days
Jay La
go ford go, nice to see a someone sticking up for the working class.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Jay La:
Ford for the working class? Many millions of Ontario voters were sucked in by that clearly blatant lie.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Sharp: Methinks you seem awfully bitter about something N'esy Pas?
Cyrus Manz
!!....."Attorney
General Caroline Mulroney is arguing that Ottawa's new national carbon
pricing plan, or the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act, is
unconstitutional" .....!!
Darn right it is too.
GOOD JOB Ontario.
Challenge this poor excuse for s federal government and fear none.
Darn right it is too.
GOOD JOB Ontario.
Challenge this poor excuse for s federal government and fear none.
Andrew
Stephenson
Reply to @Cyrus Manz:
How is it unconstitutional? The Feds have taxation rights....
How is it unconstitutional? The Feds have taxation rights....
David R. Amos
Reply to @Andrew
Stephenson: "Hunter said Ontario's constitutional challenge to the
federal Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act was not intended as a
debate on the realities or dangers of global warming. What's at stake,
he said, is which level of government has the power to deal with the
problem.
"Which measure is the best measure — the most efficient measure — is best left for legislatures to decide," Hunter said. "Which legislature? That's what we're here to decide."
"Which measure is the best measure — the most efficient measure — is best left for legislatures to decide," Hunter said. "Which legislature? That's what we're here to decide."
Federal government could tell you when to drive if carbon price law stands, court told
Ontario argues tax is unconstitutional; CBC News streams the hearing live this week
The federal government will end up with
the power to regulate almost every facet of life — such as when you can
drive or where you can live — if its law aimed at curbing harmful
greenhouse gas emissions is allowed to stand, Ontario's top court heard
Monday.
Ottawa's climate change law is so broad, a lawyer for the Ontario government told the start of a four-day Appeal Court hearing, that it would give the federal government powers that would be destabilizing to Canada in the name of curbing the cumulative effects of global warming emissions.
"They could regulate where you live, how often you drive your car," Josh Hunter told the five-justice panel. "It would unbalance the federation."
Hunter
said Ontario's constitutional challenge to the federal Greenhouse Gas
Pollution Pricing Act was not intended as a debate on the realities or
dangers of global warming. What's at stake, he said, is which level of
government has the power to deal with the problem.
"Which measure is the best measure — the most efficient measure — is best left for legislatures to decide," Hunter said. "Which legislature? That's what we're here to decide."
The federal law that kicked in on April 1 imposes a charge on gasoline and other fossil fuels as well as on industrial polluters. The law applies only in provinces that have no carbon-pricing scheme that meets national standards — Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
The
federal government says its carbon tax is a way to curb greenhouse gas
emissions. In this photo, the steel mills on the Hamilton waterfront are
shown. (Nathan Denette/The Canadian Press)
The Liberal government, which is due to make submissions on Tuesday, insists its law is an appropriate response to the
nationally important issue of climate change. The aim, the government says, is to cajole people into changing their behaviour.
The justices repeatedly pressed Hunter to explain what Ottawa should do if a province doesn't want to tackle greenhouse gas emissions, thereby undermining other provinces.
"When you think about air pollution, the word 'Ontario' sort of dissolves with the air," said Justice James MacPherson. "It's national and international."
Hunter agreed cross-provincial solutions were needed, just not what Ottawa has put in place.
"The effect is that you're regulating local industries, local land use, local heating," Hunter said.
A
worker fills up a jerry can with diesel gas in Toronto. Josh
Hunter, a lawyer for the Ontario government, says Ottawa's
climate-change law puts a 'tax' on ordinary people every time they drive
to work or heat their homes, which he said was too much of a burden. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)
Progressive
Conservative Premier Doug Ford has said Ontario can curb greenhouse gas
emissions on its own and has already taken significant steps to do so.
Those steps, Hunter told court, include shutting down coal-fired power plants — a measure taken by the previous Liberal government — which has sharply reduced the province's harmful emissions.
"Ontario is further ahead than all the other provinces," Hunter said. "[But] none of those [steps] count toward determining whether Ontario has a stringent plan."
In addition, he said, the province is developing a "made in Ontario environmental plan" that is still under consideration.
Hunter also argued the law slaps a "tax" on ordinary people every time they drive to work or heat their homes. In response, the justices pointed out that Ottawa is promising to return almost all the money it collects to people in the affected provinces.
Hunter, however, said the rebates — via the federal climate action incentive — flow to everyone in the province regardless of whether they even drive, for example.
"It's not just that you get back what you give," he said.
Ontario's Progressive Conservative government is arguing that the federal Liberal government's carbon tax is unconstitutional. (Christopher Katsarov/The Canadian Press)
Hunter's
co-counsel Padraic Ryan said even if the justices accept the law as
constitutional, the charge as levied on carbon is illegal. Giving
everyone a tax does not help reduce greenhouse gases, he said.
"We say it is a tax that has not been authorized," Ryan said. "The charges imposed under the act are unconstitutional taxes."
Fourteen interveners, including provinces such as Saskatchewan and British Columbia, Alberta Conservatives, Indigenous organizations who point out they are acutely vulnerable to global warming, as well as business and environmental groups, will get their say over the course of the hearing, which continues on Tuesday.
The
Ontario government of Doug Ford has joined the case of Saskatchewan
Premier Scott Moe's government as an intervener, while also filing
Ontario's own legal challenge. (CBC)
Ottawa's climate change law is so broad, a lawyer for the Ontario government told the start of a four-day Appeal Court hearing, that it would give the federal government powers that would be destabilizing to Canada in the name of curbing the cumulative effects of global warming emissions.
"They could regulate where you live, how often you drive your car," Josh Hunter told the five-justice panel. "It would unbalance the federation."
"Which measure is the best measure — the most efficient measure — is best left for legislatures to decide," Hunter said. "Which legislature? That's what we're here to decide."
The federal law that kicked in on April 1 imposes a charge on gasoline and other fossil fuels as well as on industrial polluters. The law applies only in provinces that have no carbon-pricing scheme that meets national standards — Ontario, Manitoba, Saskatchewan and New Brunswick.
nationally important issue of climate change. The aim, the government says, is to cajole people into changing their behaviour.
The justices repeatedly pressed Hunter to explain what Ottawa should do if a province doesn't want to tackle greenhouse gas emissions, thereby undermining other provinces.
Ontario already addressing emissions, Ford says
"When you think about air pollution, the word 'Ontario' sort of dissolves with the air," said Justice James MacPherson. "It's national and international."
Hunter agreed cross-provincial solutions were needed, just not what Ottawa has put in place.
"The effect is that you're regulating local industries, local land use, local heating," Hunter said.
Those steps, Hunter told court, include shutting down coal-fired power plants — a measure taken by the previous Liberal government — which has sharply reduced the province's harmful emissions.
"Ontario is further ahead than all the other provinces," Hunter said. "[But] none of those [steps] count toward determining whether Ontario has a stringent plan."
Province developing made-in-Ontario plan, lawyer says
In addition, he said, the province is developing a "made in Ontario environmental plan" that is still under consideration.
Hunter also argued the law slaps a "tax" on ordinary people every time they drive to work or heat their homes. In response, the justices pointed out that Ottawa is promising to return almost all the money it collects to people in the affected provinces.
Hunter, however, said the rebates — via the federal climate action incentive — flow to everyone in the province regardless of whether they even drive, for example.
"It's not just that you get back what you give," he said.
"We say it is a tax that has not been authorized," Ryan said. "The charges imposed under the act are unconstitutional taxes."
Fourteen interveners, including provinces such as Saskatchewan and British Columbia, Alberta Conservatives, Indigenous organizations who point out they are acutely vulnerable to global warming, as well as business and environmental groups, will get their say over the course of the hearing, which continues on Tuesday.
With files from CBC News
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