David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
Replying to @DavidRayAmos @Kathryn98967631 and 47 others
Methinks whereas Eddie Joyce and Paul Lane and their incumbent cohorts know who I am I should do my best to introduce myself to the rest ASAP N'esy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/independents-often-face-tough-road-to.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/paul-lane-eddie-joyce-independent-candidates-1.5109174
Independents often face a tough road to get elected. Unless, you're Eddie Joyce
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David R.Amos
Trust that Eddie Joyce and Paul Lane and their incumbent cohorts know who I am. On the other hand I have no clue who the other Independents are. However I will do best to introduce myself ASAP
John Smith
...if Eddy was cleared of wrongdoing...then why won't Dwight let him back into the fold? The thing is...this just pulls back the covers so we can see more easily how politics in NL is really just a make work project for many. These guys need a job, and they would never be hired anywhere else...so run for MHA. It will be interesting to see what happens to Eddy's district if he does get elected...they think they have issues now...LOL look out when all the Liberal funding dries up overnight. They will be punished, that's for sure..not a penny, unlike Deerlake...who have gotten more money pumped into the coffers over the last 4 years than any other...new fire trucks, new town halls, new everything...thanks Dwight, oh and all the rest of the province who actually paid for it...
Jerome Delaney
For this election, I think an independent or someone from NL alliance would be a great alternative, they may even hold the balance of power. We are all sick of the PC's and what they have done with the province, namely Muskrat Falls and their over spending. Then we have the Liberals, who could have shut down Muskrat but didn't, then decided to tax us to death and beyond , all the while increasing their spending, plus don't forget Canopy Grow and their tax break, the only weed company in Canada to get one. The NDP, who could never get their act together and don't now. We are all fed up with the current 2-3 party system, who have done nothing for Newfoundlanders besides put us further in the hole. Vote ABL, ABC and ABNDP!!
Annabelle Murphy
Reply to @jerome delaney: let’s just hope that Eddie and Paul do not hold the balance of power in a minority government.
Admiral Michiel de Ruyter
I didn't know the Circus is in Newfoundland and Labrador. This is all too funny and hilarious and the electorate of Newfoundland and Labrador are just as funny, daft and stupid for vote for these clowns. I always maintain that Newfoundland and Labrador should be governed by a separate department in Ottawa, obviously we cannot govern ourselves, just look at the candidates, disgusting to say the least.
Ed Munn
Reply to @Admiral Michiel de Ruyter:
Listen up George. Do you hear there...It's extremely daft of people not to proof read their submissions...And it makes me wonder..
Listen up George. Do you hear there...It's extremely daft of people not to proof read their submissions...And it makes me wonder..
Robert Green
Joyce a bully. Bay island excuitive all family members and cousins. No surprise in their quitting. If they have held election for executive months ago, like they were supposed to , they would been all voted out. District association got nothing do with. Provincial election. Bill Barry would cleaned out all Joyce's relatives
Gerald Niven
Reply to @Robert green:
Robert, I hear you... Poster eddie munn, the great grammar specialist on this forum, often doesn't get it that posters sometimes have to nearly encrypt what they are trying to say on this forum... All the political executive associations throughout NL, PCS, Liberals, whatever... are organized as you mentioned... cousins, uncles, friends... You are getting close to the core of the lackeys, when you are talking about the riding associations... Same can be said for those who work at the Polling Stations... and, other affiliated work... I think it was John Effert's wife who was on the social services appeal board... Appeal board, you ask, what's that? That's the heart of cronyism... where those who are connected are appointed at a per diem rate... There are many appeal boards...
Advance Polling day is May 9... Get out early... only sad thing is that the election is like, "Get up Jack, Let John sit down"... what can we do? We, the public, Joe Blow, is screwed... Liberals, PCs, NDPs... what's the difference?... Wave over wave of crooks... maybe, in the long run, things will change in NL... but, right yet, our population is not ready for better democracy... not yet... that's what I think... me-old-stick-in-the-mud
Robert, I hear you... Poster eddie munn, the great grammar specialist on this forum, often doesn't get it that posters sometimes have to nearly encrypt what they are trying to say on this forum... All the political executive associations throughout NL, PCS, Liberals, whatever... are organized as you mentioned... cousins, uncles, friends... You are getting close to the core of the lackeys, when you are talking about the riding associations... Same can be said for those who work at the Polling Stations... and, other affiliated work... I think it was John Effert's wife who was on the social services appeal board... Appeal board, you ask, what's that? That's the heart of cronyism... where those who are connected are appointed at a per diem rate... There are many appeal boards...
Advance Polling day is May 9... Get out early... only sad thing is that the election is like, "Get up Jack, Let John sit down"... what can we do? We, the public, Joe Blow, is screwed... Liberals, PCs, NDPs... what's the difference?... Wave over wave of crooks... maybe, in the long run, things will change in NL... but, right yet, our population is not ready for better democracy... not yet... that's what I think... me-old-stick-in-the-mud
Harold Clarke
Reply to @Robert green: I think that bill barry is employing most all of eddies relatives.
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Independents often face a tough road to get elected. Unless, you're Eddie Joyce
Gloria Cooper, who is running as an Independent, says she's always voted for people over parties
Independent candidates are often
election longshots, as they seek seats in the House of Assembly without
the financial or logistical boost from being part of a larger political
party.
But of the nine such outliers in the 2019 election, there are two who are betting big on their personal brands, and doing so with no shortage of confidence.
"People know my track record. People know I've been around. People know that I fight for it," said Eddie Joyce, who first represented the Humber-Bay of Islands district for the Liberal Party briefly in 1989, and then again from 1999 until 2018, when the Liberals kicked him out over allegations of bullying and harrassment. He was later cleared of those allegations.
"I'm feeling very good, very positive about things," said Paul Lane, who is seeking re-election as an Independent for Mount Pearl-Southlands. He was booted from the Liberal caucus in 2016 after voting against the party's budget, and has previously been a Progressive Conservative representing the same district.
This election does mark technically new territory for the two veterans Lane and Joyce, as each mounts their first solo campaign. But neither politician says knocking on doors these days feels any different.
"The only difference for me, this election, is the colour of the sign," said Joyce. (His signs? Purple, his mother's favourite colour.)
"I haven't had any challenges, to be 100 per cent honest. My campaign is being run the same way as my previous two provincial campaigns," said Lane.
The other seven Independents don't enjoy the extra name recognition that comes with incumbency or controversy, but that hasn't deterred them from their decisions to go it alone.
"It's very simple. I really went to help the people of Exploits. I love this district," said Gloria Cooper, who is running as an Independent for Exploits.
Gloria Cooper is a former mayor of Botwood, but 2019 is her first foray into provincial politics. (Submitted by Gloria Cooper campaign staff)
Cooper,
a former mayor of Botwood, music teacher and guidance counselor, said
she's always voted for people over parties, and felt her first foray
into provincial politics should reflect that.
"As I do not align with any particular party more than another, I believed it was best if I offered myself as an individual candidate."
But one political watcher said despite Lane and Joyce's assurances, there are major differences — and mostly, disadvantages — to being an independent candidate.
"From an electoral standpoint, pretty much all the evidence we have suggests that you're worse off, and it's a harder go," said Kelly Blidook, an associate professor of political science at Memorial University.
That includes not only logistical challenges, such as not being able to dip into party campaign coffers, Blidook said, or not being allowed to fundraise prior to declaring your candidacy.
There's also what he describes as a hesitancy among voters to deviate away from the political norm.
Cooper said she's definitely bumped up against that.
"I've had to do some explaining, that I can still fulfil the role, of course, of an MHA without being a member of a party," she said.
"For many people, that's a very big concern."
Despite those downsides, Blidook called Joyce and Lane "relatively strong candidates," in their bids to go it alone.
"I've had more people coming forward wanting to volunteer this time than I quite frankly had when I was with either of the parties," said Lane, who has previously said he was courted as a candidate by the PCs, Liberals, and NDP.
Eddie Joyce's purple election signs are plastered all over Curling. (Lindsay Bird/CBC)
Lane's popularity
pales in comparison to Joyce: front lawns in the Bay of Islands are as
purple with Joyce signs as they are with crocuses, and he boasted to
CBC his next three weekends are chock-full of invites to constituent
birthday parties and similar events.
Even the Liberal Humber-Bay of Islands District Association resigned en masse in support of him. With his long-time team behind him, Joyce said he is in full meet-and-greet mode.
"We don't make any promises, no commitments," he said.
In a time of soaring economic anxiety in Newfoundland and Labrador, it may seem counterintuitive for a candidate to run on little more than a willingness to attend anniversary parties. But Blidook said getting personal is really the only option for Independents, who have little ability to influence what happens in the House of Assembly.
"I think that it's more of a popularity contest, certainly, than a policy contest," he said.
"At the end of the day, neither of these people can promise a platform that they'll put into place if they're elected, because they're not part of a party that will do that."
While now both fiercely Independent, both Lane and Joyce are still using their prior political experience — the majority of which was as a party member — on the campaign trail.
"I will put my record of success, in terms of helping people, up against any MHA, and I don't care what party they're with," said Lane.
Gloria Cooper says she's always voted for people over parties. (Facebook)
Joyce
touted his continued pressure, while sitting as a Liberal, to get a
radiation unit in the plans for the new Corner Brook hospital. That
pressure, he said, yielded success. The hospital itself, however, is
still more myth than mortar in Corner Brook, with no construction yet
started on the building which has been promised by politicians since
2007.
Joyce's and Lane's opponents will most likely focus on policy and issues as their election strategies, said Blidook, adding it's "a little bit of an uphill climb" against the Lane and Joyce name recognition.
But popularity can, and does, wane.
"It's really rare," said Blidook, for Independents to enjoy lengthy careers.
"The examples are so few and far between, you really can't look and say, being an Independent is a path to a long and successful political career," he said.
Blidook pointed to John Nunziata, a federal Liberal MP who, after being booted from caucus successfully returned to the House of Commons for one term in 1997 as one of the few examples of Independent success. Returning as an Independent is rarer still — Nunziata lost his seat in 2000.
Voters get their say in the political leadership of Newfoundland and Labrador on May 16. (CBC)
But
anything can happen in an election,and Cooper is keeping a positive
outlook as she hears a common thread among her potential Exploits
constituents — that they're frustrated with the status quo, and open to
options.
"I get the sense that people are ready for a change," she said.
Read more articles from CBC Newfoundland and Labrador
But of the nine such outliers in the 2019 election, there are two who are betting big on their personal brands, and doing so with no shortage of confidence.
"People know my track record. People know I've been around. People know that I fight for it," said Eddie Joyce, who first represented the Humber-Bay of Islands district for the Liberal Party briefly in 1989, and then again from 1999 until 2018, when the Liberals kicked him out over allegations of bullying and harrassment. He was later cleared of those allegations.
"I'm feeling very good, very positive about things," said Paul Lane, who is seeking re-election as an Independent for Mount Pearl-Southlands. He was booted from the Liberal caucus in 2016 after voting against the party's budget, and has previously been a Progressive Conservative representing the same district.
- Eddie Joyce removed from Liberal caucus following complaints of harassment, bullying
- Breakup by email: Paul Lane kicked out of Liberal caucus
People over party
This election does mark technically new territory for the two veterans Lane and Joyce, as each mounts their first solo campaign. But neither politician says knocking on doors these days feels any different.
"The only difference for me, this election, is the colour of the sign," said Joyce. (His signs? Purple, his mother's favourite colour.)
"I haven't had any challenges, to be 100 per cent honest. My campaign is being run the same way as my previous two provincial campaigns," said Lane.
The other seven Independents don't enjoy the extra name recognition that comes with incumbency or controversy, but that hasn't deterred them from their decisions to go it alone.
"It's very simple. I really went to help the people of Exploits. I love this district," said Gloria Cooper, who is running as an Independent for Exploits.
"As I do not align with any particular party more than another, I believed it was best if I offered myself as an individual candidate."
Differences, and disadvantages
But one political watcher said despite Lane and Joyce's assurances, there are major differences — and mostly, disadvantages — to being an independent candidate.
"From an electoral standpoint, pretty much all the evidence we have suggests that you're worse off, and it's a harder go," said Kelly Blidook, an associate professor of political science at Memorial University.
That includes not only logistical challenges, such as not being able to dip into party campaign coffers, Blidook said, or not being allowed to fundraise prior to declaring your candidacy.
There's also what he describes as a hesitancy among voters to deviate away from the political norm.
I think that it's more of a popularity contest, certainly, than a policy contest.- Kelly Blidook"I definitely see a lot of people expressing that they think political parties are a problem. At the same time, I don't think there's a large cross section of the population that's willing to vote for independent candidates, unless they are really, really deeply convinced that somehow the independent candidate is the better option, and that's hard to do," he said.
Cooper said she's definitely bumped up against that.
"I've had to do some explaining, that I can still fulfil the role, of course, of an MHA without being a member of a party," she said.
"For many people, that's a very big concern."
Popularity contest
Despite those downsides, Blidook called Joyce and Lane "relatively strong candidates," in their bids to go it alone.
"I've had more people coming forward wanting to volunteer this time than I quite frankly had when I was with either of the parties," said Lane, who has previously said he was courted as a candidate by the PCs, Liberals, and NDP.
Even the Liberal Humber-Bay of Islands District Association resigned en masse in support of him. With his long-time team behind him, Joyce said he is in full meet-and-greet mode.
"We don't make any promises, no commitments," he said.
In a time of soaring economic anxiety in Newfoundland and Labrador, it may seem counterintuitive for a candidate to run on little more than a willingness to attend anniversary parties. But Blidook said getting personal is really the only option for Independents, who have little ability to influence what happens in the House of Assembly.
"I think that it's more of a popularity contest, certainly, than a policy contest," he said.
"At the end of the day, neither of these people can promise a platform that they'll put into place if they're elected, because they're not part of a party that will do that."
Short lifespan?
While now both fiercely Independent, both Lane and Joyce are still using their prior political experience — the majority of which was as a party member — on the campaign trail.
"I will put my record of success, in terms of helping people, up against any MHA, and I don't care what party they're with," said Lane.
Joyce's and Lane's opponents will most likely focus on policy and issues as their election strategies, said Blidook, adding it's "a little bit of an uphill climb" against the Lane and Joyce name recognition.
But popularity can, and does, wane.
"It's really rare," said Blidook, for Independents to enjoy lengthy careers.
"The examples are so few and far between, you really can't look and say, being an Independent is a path to a long and successful political career," he said.
Blidook pointed to John Nunziata, a federal Liberal MP who, after being booted from caucus successfully returned to the House of Commons for one term in 1997 as one of the few examples of Independent success. Returning as an Independent is rarer still — Nunziata lost his seat in 2000.
"I get the sense that people are ready for a change," she said.
Read more articles from CBC Newfoundland and Labrador
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