David Raymond Amos @DavidRayAmos
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Methinks everybody knows that Philpott knows the whole truth and why she is not telling it Nesy Pas?
https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2019/04/philpott-says-clear-apology-from.html
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/philpott-the-current-wilson-raybould-liberal-caucus-1.5084028
Philpott says clear apology from Trudeau could have quickly contained SNC-Lavalin scandal
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Daryll Mcbain
This whole thing is pretty simple, Jody and Jane stood up for the rule of law and the PM didn’t like that, hence why they were turfed.
Richard Sharp
Reply to @Daryll Mcbain:
Actually, JWR ignored the rule of law. The one that reads SNC-L IS ENTIRELY ELIGIBLE FOR A DPA, BASED SOLELY ON ITS REMEDIATION EFFORTS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RISK OF JOB LOSSES.
Actually, JWR ignored the rule of law. The one that reads SNC-L IS ENTIRELY ELIGIBLE FOR A DPA, BASED SOLELY ON ITS REMEDIATION EFFORTS, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RISK OF JOB LOSSES.
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Sharp: "The one that reads SNC-L IS ENTIRELY ELIGIBLE FOR A DPA, BASED SOLELY ON ITS REMEDIATION EFFORTS"
What legal expert determined that? How can you say for fact that SNC is "entirely eligible" based on one "sole" factor when Canadian law lists about eight to be considered, at least two of which would disqualify them? Where is your fact-based reasoning? Have you had access to the case evidence? Have you read the section 13 that provides the reasons the DPP decided SNC did not qualify?
What legal expert determined that? How can you say for fact that SNC is "entirely eligible" based on one "sole" factor when Canadian law lists about eight to be considered, at least two of which would disqualify them? Where is your fact-based reasoning? Have you had access to the case evidence? Have you read the section 13 that provides the reasons the DPP decided SNC did not qualify?
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jamie Gillis: Methinks desperate liberals post desperate things N'esy Pas?
Peter Baxter
He could not apologize for a attempting to break a law that he still has full intentions of breaking
Jamie Gillis
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
There's no getting around it, Richard. The evidence is out far all to see. If you want to support Trudeau, if you stand for dishonesty, if you stand for trampling over the rule of law for political benefit, if you stand for a leader that recruits someone for their identity because it's politically convenient, and then expels and smears them for doing their job because it became politically inconvenient, that's fine! And it's your choice. But please own that choice.
Jack O Hill
Reply to @Richard Sharp:
"only lawful advocacy"
Based on the potential for lost jobs?
In direct contradiction to this:
"Factors not to consider
(3) Despite paragraph (2)(i), if the organization is alleged to have committed an offence under section 3 or 4 of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, the prosecutor must not consider the national economic interest, the potential effect on relations with a state other than Canada or the identity of the organization or individual....
"only lawful advocacy"
Based on the potential for lost jobs?
In direct contradiction to this:
"Factors not to consider
(3) Despite paragraph (2)(i), if the organization is alleged to have committed an offence under section 3 or 4 of the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act, the prosecutor must not consider the national economic interest, the potential effect on relations with a state other than Canada or the identity of the organization or individual....
David R. Amos
Reply to @Peter Baxter: "He could not apologize for a attempting to break a law that he still has full intentions of breaking?
Well put sir
Well put sir
David R. Amos
Reply to @Jamie Gillis: "There's no getting around it, Richard. The evidence is out far all to see."
YUP
YUP
Andrew Blackstone
Who will Canadians believe regarding this scandal…….a conceited PM with four ethics violations to his credit or two women of impeccable stature and fortitude who are indeed defending ethics and the rule of law in Canada? I guess we will all find out in October.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Andrew Blackstone: 'I guess we will all find out in October."
YUP
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Jay: "What's your point?"
Methinks some folks understand why I will be running in Fundy Royal as an Independent again is because i don't believe any of them N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Methinks some folks understand why I will be running in Fundy Royal as an Independent again is because i don't believe any of them N'esy Pas?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Chelsea O'Connor
A medical Doctor and a former AG.
Vs
Gerry/PMO and interfering in a court case.
hmm.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Chelsea O'Connor: "hmm. "
Methinks you should Google Jody Wilson-Raybould's name and mine if you want some more to ponder N'esy Pas?
Alec Calder
Without question the worst most vapid and unethical person to ever hold sway in this great Nation is today still calling himself PM!! The Liberals should be ashamed for dumping these two outstanding MPs that are clearly all that was left of the moral backbone of this Party... can you feel that Trudy... it’s the Reckoning that on route for you and you coal calling themselves Cabinet
Ross Culbert
Reply to @Joan Tyne: Can't find it. You'll need to give us a better hint.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Ross Culbert: Here is a better hint about how bad it truly is.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
liette lapointe
people ask trudeau a question...he says great question...then doesnt answer it lol
Richard Jay
Reply to @liette lapointe:
You can find an interview on youtube where a reporter asks him the same question about tariffs FIVE times and he dances around it each time. He's such an embarrassment.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Richard Jay: YUP
Darren Gerrior
Nice to see young women calling out Trudeau's actions. More lost votes for LPC.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Darren Gerrior: YUP
Elaine Hancock
I’m still trying to process that two smart, accomplished women bought Trudeau’s ‘goop’ hook, line and sinker in the first place. Seriously, he talks in circles, never saying anything - always has. He has always been rude and arrogant — think about the one or two times he showed up in the HofC as a member and spoke. The 300 or so election promises had mostly been developed on a cocktail napkin with little thought to outcomes. And Philpott and JWR thought he would change!
David R. Amos
Reply to @Elaine Hancock: "I’m still trying to process that two smart, accomplished women bought Trudeau’s ‘goop’ hook, line and sinker in the first place"
Methinks they are all playing the wicked game for nobody's benefit but theirs N'esy Pas?
Nicole Macinnis
Lol I’m stunned as well ms Philpott, not so much at libs stooping to this level but at the circus show they are putting on in the after math! These women are getting blamed for everything the party is doing to themselves now that is what’s shocking
David R. Amos
Reply to @Nicole Macinnis: Methinks everybody knows that Philpott knows the whole truth and why she is not telling it Nesy Pas?
Bryan Atkinson
Philpott still doesn't get it. Trudeau doesn't owe her an apology. She owes her Liberal colleagues an apology.
David R. Amos
Reply to @Bryan Atkinson: NOPE
Philpott says clear apology from Trudeau could have quickly contained SNC-Lavalin scandal
Ontario MP tells CBC Radio's The Current she was 'stunned' to be expelled from Liberal caucus
Jane Philpott said today she was "stunned" to be turfed from the Liberal caucus and believes the SNC-Lavalin controversy could have been contained much earlier with an apology from the prime minister for alleged political interference in a criminal trial — and a promise that it wouldn't happen again.
In an interview with CBC Radio's The Current Thursday morning, Philpott said she learned as a medical doctor that when bad things happen and mistakes are made, the sooner you deal with it, the better.
"Without malice, sometimes errors take place, but you need to own up to the people who may have been harmed and you need to find out why it happened and make sure it never happens again," she told host Anna Maria Tremonti.
"I think those lessons could be transferred quite easily into the political sphere, and this could have been taken care of and addressed in a forthright, honest way much earlier."
Philpott and Jody Wilson-Raybould, both former senior ministers in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's cabinet, were expelled from the Liberal caucus Tuesday.
'Respect the decision'
Philpott told The Current she was "stunned" by her expulsion because she feels she wasn't given a proper opportunity to explain her actions to the full caucus. She said she was told of her ejection from caucus earlier on Tuesday during a brief meeting with Trudeau — her first discussion with the PM, she said, since she resigned from cabinet a month ago. She said she had only one conversation on the topic with people in the Prime Minister's Office, about a week ago.
Politics News
Philpott says it could've been avoided if the PM had just apologized
Jane Philpott suggests
that the whole SNC-Lavalin affair could have been avoided if the Prime
Minister had just taken ownership and apologized for trying to
interfere. 1:21
"I respect the decision that was made, and I told the prime minister that I do wish him the best," she said.Trudeau broke the news during a special national caucus meeting Tuesday night, which was open to the media and televised.
"The trust that previously existed between these two individuals and our team has been broken, whether it's taping conversations without consent, or repeatedly expressing a lack of confidence in our government or me personally as leader," Trudeau said.
The expulsions came just days after the public release of a 17-minute audio recording of a Dec. 19 conversation between Wilson-Raybould and Clerk of Privy Council Michael Wernick. The clerk did not know he was being recorded.
Wilson-Raybould said she knew recording the call without Wernick's knowledge was an extraordinary move, but she did it because she was at home without a staffer to take notes and she expected the call would be "inappropriate."
Several Liberal MPs lashed out at the covert recording, calling it unethical, dishonourable and seedy. Trudeau called it "unconscionable."
But Philpott said Wilson-Raybould explained her reasoning and called the focus on the secret recording a "red herring." The focus should be on its contents, she said.
In the call, Wernick warned Wilson-Raybould that the prime minister was "firm" on getting a deferred prosecution agreement for SNC-Lavalin, and that he thought he would get it done "one way or another."
Philpott said there is "very good evidence" that there were attempts to politically interfere with a very serious criminal case, and she had to resign from cabinet because she was not willing to deny that had occurred.
'The truth is more important'
She said the best way to deal with the SNC-Lavalin matter would have been to "speak the truth" at the time, admit that mistakes had been made and apologize to Canadians. The escalation of the controversy was partly due to a lack of communication, she said.
"That's been my stance from the beginning, that I've communicated to the prime minister and his office and others. So to that extent, there have been conversations going on, but I would not say that they were intense in any way," Philpott said. "There were no efforts to bring all the people involved into a room together to actually try to resolve this."
Philpott said she appreciated that some colleagues reached out to have positive conversations and to see what could be done, but from her perspective there was never a formal process or effort to try to resolve the impasse.
Philpott said she couldn't "toe the party line" because the government initially refuted the Feb. 7 Globe and Mail report that said Wilson-Raybould faced intense political pressure over the SNC-Lavalin file — then moved from denying the allegations to suggesting "it doesn't actually matter."
'I chose the truth'
"I chose the truth. I chose to act on principles that are so important to the future of our country. That's more important than my political career," she said.
"The truth is more important than any individual's political success."
Philpott called the whole situation "regrettable" and said it's unfortunate that it has detracted from the important work of Trudeau government ministers and others.
Politics News
Philpott: 'I chose the truth'
Jane Philpott says that
she chose to resign from Cabinet because to her the truth is more
important than anyone's political success. 1:16
Sources told CBC News that Wilson-Raybould had set a list of at least five conditions to end the SNC-Lavalin controversy — one of which was an apology from the prime minister.The first three conditions involved staff changes in the senior levels of government. Sources said Wilson-Raybould wanted Trudeau to fire his principal secretary, Gerald Butts, who has since resigned, along with Wernick, who has since announced his retirement, and PMO senior adviser Mathieu Bouchard.
Sources told CBC News she also sought assurances that her replacement as attorney general, David Lametti, would not overrule Director of Public Prosecutions Kathleen Roussell and direct her to give SNC-Lavalin a deferred prosecution agreement.
Politics News
Wilson-Raybould says she wanted Trudeau to apologize
Jody Wilson-Raybould arrived on Thursday for Question Period 0:59
Wilson-Raybould declined
today to talk about details of any behind-the-scenes discussions,
noting that the waiver of cabinet confidence does not apply to the time
after she was moved from the justice and attorney general portfolio.But she said he would have liked to hear Trudeau say he's sorry.
"I would have liked, all along, to have the prime minister come forward and accept some responsibility. and to apologize to Canadians for what happened," she said on her way in to the House of Commons today.
Preserving judicial independence
Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer said he doesn't put much faith in what Liberals leak about internal dynamics, arguing Wilson-Raybould was only trying to preserve judicial independence.
"This is about preserving the integrity of our justice system, and what the prime minister is trying to do would have undermined the rule of law. I see that as her attempt to ensure that didn't happen," he said.
NDP MP Charlie Angus said the latest revelations are a sign the Liberals are becoming increasingly "whiny and self-destructive."
"The Liberals keep spinning an attempt to smear these two women with increasingly ridiculous statements," he said. "The fundamental issue is there was an attempt to interfere in a legal prosecution, which would be a complete breach of the rule of law and constitutional obligations."
Minister of Democratic Institutions Karina Gould said there were "unprecedented" efforts to find a solution and keep Wilson-Raybould and Philpott on board. She found it troubling that Wilson-Raybould would complain about political interference, then attempt to direct her successor on the SNC-Lavalin file.
"That seems concerning and it seems questionable," she said.
Lametti says he makes his own decisions
Justice Minister David Lametti spoke to reporters as he arrived for QP on Thursday 0:53
"If someone says, 'You must do this,' or 'You must do that,' I'll resist that," he said.
Read more and listen to the full interview with The Current's Anna Maria Tremonti.
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