Monday 8 April 2024

Inquest into Fredericton ER waiting-room death begins with jury selection

 

Son of man who died waiting for care at Fredericton ER speaks of heartache, frustrations

After inquest, Ryan Mesheau describes seeing security video of his father Darrell's last moments as 'awful'

For nearly two years, Ryan Mesheau has known the details surrounding the death of his 78-year-old father Darrell while he waited for care at the Fredericton hospital's emergency department.

But at the coroner's inquest Tuesday, Mesheau saw for the first time security video of his father's last moments, as he sat alone, slumped and motionless in a wheelchair, before a licensed practical nurse discovered he was unresponsive around 4:30 a.m. on July 12, 2022.

"That was awful," Mesheau told reporters.

Deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy had warned the video might be upsetting to some people and gave them an opportunity to leave.

Mesheau and other relatives remained steadfast in the front row, but were visibly distressed as they watched the last half-hour of their loved one's seven-hour wait for treatment at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital, when other patients sat mere feet away and at least one nurse walked by.

WATCH | 'It's not too late for other New Brunswickers'
 

Ryan Mesheau wants details surrounding his father’s death made public

Duration 2:34
At the inquest into the 2022 death of Darrell Mesheau at a Fredericton hospital, his son says it’s been a grim two years for his family, and he wants to see health care fixed.

At one point, one family member shook her head, as if in disbelief.

Later, two others glanced at one another, looking  perplexed.

"Every medical professional seemed to fail my father the night of his death," Mesheau said.

The night of July 11, 2022, "he was dropped off by ambulance at the DEC ER at 9:30 … left alone in a wheelchair for seven hours in the middle of the floor, and died perhaps 40 minutes before anyone noticed."

If his father had been checked on sooner, Mesheau "absolutely" believes he would still be alive.

Was triaged as Level 3, urgent

The two-day inquest heard that Darrell Mesheau called 911 at 8:56 p.m. and told the paramedic he felt weak and short of breath on exertion. He arrived at the Chalmers ER by ambulance at 9:33 p.m.

At 10:44 p.m., registered nurse Danielle Othen noted he looked pale. She triaged him as being Level 3, based on the Canadian Emergency Department Triage and Acuity Scale, which ranges from Level 1, the most serious, requiring immediate, aggressive intervention, to Level 5.

Level 3 is considered urgent. The national guidelines call for these patients to be seen by a doctor within 30 minutes and reassessed by a nurse every hour.

Othen did not note any of Mesheu's medical history, which included a heart attack and quadruple bypass, diabetes, and high blood pressure. She could not recall if she asked him and said she had no way to access his medical history from the triage area, but agreed with Crown prosecutor Chris Titus such information could be helpful in making an assessment.

A pathologist subsequently determined Mesheau died from heart failure, the jury heard.

A large sign in front of a large building with a busy parking lot reads, Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital, emergency. There was only one nurse triaging patients at the Chalmers ER the day Mesheau died and one ER physician, the inquest heard. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

Othen, who was working alone in triage during her 12-hour shift that night because the ER was short one nurse, was also responsible for checking the vital signs of patients in the waiting room, but couldn't do both, she said. There were 52 patients in the ER between 7 p.m.on July 11 and 5 a.m. on July 12, and 14 of them were Level 2s, or emergent.

"There was a lineup of patients to be triaged," she said.

"And we were short-staffed, meaning we didn't have all of the staff that we should have had to work properly." Even washroom and food breaks "don't exist when you're short," said Othen.

You know, triage Level 3 is supposed to see a doctor in 30 minutes, and he didn't see one until he was dead, seven hours later.
- Ryan Mesheau, son

Licensed practical nurse April Knowles, who was assigned to work on the psychiatric side of the waiting room the day of Mesheau's death but volunteered to help out in the ER, said she checked Mesheau's vitals around 11:15 p.m. before she helped him to the washroom because he complained of feeling weak. His heartbeat, breathing rate, temperature and blood pressure were all within normal limits, she said.

She checked them again at 2:03 a.m. and there was no real change, but she ws concerned because he was so pale, so she bumped his chart ahead of three other patients.

But Mesheau still hadn't been seen by a doctor by around 4:30 a.m., when another licensed nurse practitioner told Knowles "he didn't look so good." That's when she went to take his vitals again and found him unresponsive. By then, he was already cool to the touch, meaning he hadn't had any circulation in "quite a while," ER Dr. Shawn Tiller testified.

Ryan Mesheau thinks the system failed his father from the beginning.

"You know, triage Level 3 is supposed to see a doctor in 30 minutes and he didn't see one until he was dead, seven hours later."

Like 'rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic'

His father's death sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership three days later.

During a news conference, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

Mesheau described these as "small, insignificant changes," or "window dressing," instead of addressing the "larger, more important issues."

"I guess you can call that rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

Mesheau, who lives in California, said he doesn't have the answers, but hopes the jury's three recommendations will be implemented, even though they're non-binding, and will help. He and his wife still have family and friends here and they worry about their safety, he said.

"I would just like to see, you know, health-care fixed — someone who would tackle this and take it on instead of riding it out and just ignore it."

"The primary reason for government is the health and safety of the citizens."

Difficult but important process

It's been a long and arduous two years for the family, said Mesheau. 

"The time kind of deepens the loss."

But they felt it was important to be part of the inquest process.

"We want to … ensure the public is aware of the details surrounding my father's death, and to make sure it doesn't ever happen again," he said.

His father would have believed in the inquest process too, he said. The former diplomat had lived and travelled all over the world, but loved New Brunswick and was active in the community — everything from theatre to church dinners.

"He was a huge member of this community … and this is just really all about helping New Brunswickers."

 
 
 
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David Amos
Perhaps should review what Mr Cain and Lou Bell posted yesterday 
 
 
 
David Amos
 IMHO Somebody Goofed Bigtime

The two-day inquest heard that Darrell Mesheau called 911 at 8:56 p.m. and told the paramedic he felt weak and short of breath on exertion. He arrived at the Chalmers ER by ambulance at 9:33 p.m.

At 10:44 p.m., registered nurse Danielle Othen noted he looked pale. She triaged him as being Level 3, based on the Canadian Emergency Department Triage and Acuity Scale, which ranges from Level 1, the most serious, requiring immediate, aggressive intervention, to Level 5.

Level 3 is considered urgent. The national guidelines call for these patients to be seen by a doctor within 30 minutes and reassessed by a nurse every hour.

Othen did not note any of Mesheu's medical history, which included a heart attack and quadruple bypass, diabetes, and high blood pressure. She could not recall if she asked him and said she had no way to access his medical history from the triage area, but agreed with Crown prosecutor Chris Titus such information could be helpful in making an assessment.

A pathologist subsequently determined Mesheau died from heart failure, the jury heard. 

 

Bobby Richards 
Reply to David Amos  
Sadly Higgs fires the health minister and thinks he is doing something positive about the situation. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Bobby Richards   
At least Fitch finally gave me a Health Care card 
 
 
 
 

Inquest into death of man waiting at Fredericton ER to hear from nurses, pathologist

Coroner and jury to determine facts surrounding death of Darrell Mesheau on July 12, 2022

A coroner's inquest into the death of a patient who was waiting for care at the Fredericton hospital's emergency department nearly two years ago continues today.

Darrell Mesheau, 78, had been in the waiting room of the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital ER for about seven hours when he was discovered unresponsive on July 12, 2022 around 4:30 a.m., the inquest heard Monday.

Deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy and the five jurors are expected to hear today from the triage nurse, the nurse manager and the pathologist who conducted the autopsy, Crown prosecutor Patrick Wilbur told reporters.

A portion of the ER security video from Mesheau's wait will also be played, he said.

Members of Mesheau's family, including his son Ryan, are attending the proceedings and said they will offer comments once they've heard more of the evidence.

Mesheau's death sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership.

During a news conference three days later, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

The presiding coroner and jury of three women and two men are hearing evidence from witnesses to determine the facts surrounding his death.

The jurors will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing death under similar circumstances.

The inquest is scheduled to continue through Thursday.

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Inquest hears from only doctor in Fredericton ER the night man died waiting for care

Jurors now deliberating about events surrounding death of Darrell Mesheau on July 12, 2022

Darrell Mesheau was already cool to the touch when he was rushed into the Fredericton hospital's emergency department, a coroner's jury heard Tuesday.

That means he hadn't had any circulation in "quite a while," Dr. Shawn Tiller, who was working alone on the overnight shift that day, testified via a prerecorded video.

Mesheau was discovered unresponsive in the waiting room of the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital ER by a licensed practical nurse around 4:33 a.m. on July 12, 2022, said Tiller.

He was "flat-lined," with no pulse, he said.

A designated "code blue" team immediately performed several rounds of CRP (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) and Tiller administered epinephrine to try to stimulate Mesheau's heart.

He then used an ultrasound to see if he could detect any faint cardiac activity that the monitor might not be picking up.

But "we weren't able to get any cardiac activity at all."

Mesheau, 78, was pronounced dead at 4:44 a.m.

He had arrived at the ER by ambulance the night before, around 9:33 p.m.

His death sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership.

During a news conference three days later, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

Deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy and a five-member jury heard evidence from 10 witnesses over two days and watched a portion of the ER security video from Mesheau's wait to determine the facts surrounding his death.

The jurors have now begun their deliberations. They will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing death under similar circumstances.

On Tuesday, the jury also heard from the triage nurse Danielle Othen, who said she worked a 12-hour shift alone that night because they were short staffed and she was unable to monitor the vital signs of patients in the waiting room whom she had already triaged because she was too busy triaging new patients coming in.

The head of pathologist testified Mesheau's cause of death was deemed to be heart failure.

Horizon Health Network administrative director Susan McCarron told the jury about an internal review that came up with eight recommendations, all of which have been implemented.

Members of Mesheau's family, including his son Ryan, have attended the proceedings and are expected to offer comments to the media later today.

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Inquest into death of man in Fredericton ER waiting area ends with 3 recommendations

Darrell Mesheau, 78, died at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital on July 12, 2022

A coroner's inquest into the death of a patient in the waiting area of the Fredericton hospital's emergency department ended Tuesday with three recommendations aimed at improving ER services and preventing deaths under similar circumstances.

Darrell Mesheau, 78, spent about seven hours at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital ER before he was discovered unresponsive by a licensed practical nurse around 4:30 a.m. on July 12, 2022.

After deliberating for about two hours, the jury concluded he died at 4:44 a.m., when he was pronounced dead, as a result of heart failure, and that his death was due to natural causes.

The jury recommended all stakeholders "collaborate and show ownership in the resolution of the bed-blockage issue."

This was a reference to when patients who have been admitted to hospital have to remain in ER beds because there are no other beds available, largely because there are patients waiting in hospital for a long-term care placement, such as a nursing home or special care home.

Seventeen of 29 available ER beds were occupied by admitted patients the day Mesheau died, the inquest heard.

The backlog of Social Development patients awaiting long-term care contributes "significantly to the efficiency of an operating emergency room," the jury said.

Eight recommendations that stemmed from an internal Horizon review following Mesheau's death should also be "fully implemented, funded and staffed," the jurors said.

In addition, staff should be equipped with hand-held electronic devices to record patient vitals.

Mesheau's family was happy with the recommendations, according to his son Ryan Mesheau.

"It may be too late for my dad, but it's not too late for other New Brunswickers," he said.

WATCH | 'It's not too late for other New Brunswickers'
 

Ryan Mesheau wants details surrounding his father’s death made public

Duration 2:34
At the inquest into the 2022 death of Darrell Mesheau at a Fredericton hospital, his son says it’s been a grim two years for his family, and he wants to see health care fixed.

The recommendations are not binding.

"It's in Horizon Health's hands now, so it's up to them," said Mesheau, who travelled from California to attend the proceedings.

He described himself as an optimistic person, but when asked whether he thinks the changes will be implemented, he replied, "probably not."

The family is "definitely" considering legal action, he added.

Horizon will review each of the recommendations closely, interim president and CEO Margaret Melanson said in an emailed statement.

"The safety and wellbeing of our patient is our foremost priority, and since this tragedy, Horizon has implemented several measures aimed at enhancing access and the delivery of patient care in our emergency departments.

"These measures have included increasing staffing levels to monitor the wellbeing of patients in our waiting rooms, who are regularly checking vital signs, and providing comfort and support to patients while they wait."

A woman with short brown hair, wearing a white blazer with black trim.    In an emailed statement, Margaret Melanson, interim president and CEO of Horizon, offered condolences to Mesheau’s family, friends and loved ones. She also expressed gratitude to the people who took part in the inquest. (Horizon/Zoom)

The chief coroner will forward the jury's recommendations to the appropriate agencies for consideration and response, said deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy.

The response will be included in the chief coroner's annual report for 2024 — and in any subsequent reports, if necessary, she said.

Mesheau's death sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership three days later.

During a news conference, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

Inquest hears from ER doctor 

The inquest ended two days ahead of schedule. Caissy and the five-member jury heard evidence from 10 witnesses over two days and watched a portion of the ER security video from Mesheau's wait to determine the facts surrounding his death.

ER Dr. Shawn Tiller was among those who testified Tuesday. He was working alone on the overnight shift the day Mesheau died.

Mesheau, who had arrived at the ER by ambulance the night before, around 9:33 p.m., was already cool to the touch when he was discovered unresponsive in the waiting area and rushed into the emergency department shortly after 4:30 a.m., said Tiller.

That means he hadn't had any circulation in "quite a while," Tiller testified via a prerecorded video.

A large sign in front of a large building with a busy parking lot reads, Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital, emergency.     A month after Mesheau's death, Horizon hired patient service workers to monitor the vital signs of patients in the emergency department waiting rooms of five of its biggest hospitals. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

He was "flat-lined," with no pulse, he said.

A designated "code blue" team immediately performed several rounds of CRP (cardiopulmonary resuscitation) and Tiller administered epinephrine to try to stimulate Mesheau's heart.

He then used an ultrasound to see if he could detect any faint cardiac activity that the monitor might not be picking up.

But "we weren't able to get any cardiac activity at all."

The head of pathology testified Mesheau's cause of death was subsequently deemed to be heart failure.

The jury also heard from the triage nurse Danielle Othen, who said she worked a 12-hour shift alone that night because they were short staffed and she was unable to monitor the vital signs of patients in the waiting room whom she had already triaged because she was too busy triaging new patients coming in.

Susan McCarron, clinical director of Horizon's emergency departments in the Fredericton region, told the jury about the internal review that resulted in eight recommendations, all of which she confirmed have been "basically approved and completed."

 
 
 
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David Amos
The plot thickens 
 
 
 
David Amos
Deja Vu Anyone???

January 30, 2007

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Mr. David Amos

Dear Mr. Amos:

This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29,

2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP.

Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have

taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve

Graham of the RCMP “J” Division in Fredericton.

Sincerely,

Honourable Michael B. Murphy

Minister of Health

CM/cb

 
 
 
 
David Wilson   
Decades of conservative governments gutting and privatizing healthcare has consequences.
 
 
David Amos

Reply to David Wilson   
Who flew Leblanc to Quebec?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Amos 
Ethics czar erred in approving LeBlanc's use of Irving plane: Democracy Watch

'Given his immune system is compromised, his doctors determined that he could not travel commercial'

The Canadian Press · Posted: Jul 17, 2019 5:44 PM ADT 

 
David Wilson 

Reply to David Amos
Who cares?  
 
 
John Raymond 
Reply to David Wilson 
Try Liberals.
 

David Amos
Reply to David Wilson   
I do I ran in the election in 2019 against Leblanc et al while having to pay for my own Health Care
 
 
David Wilson 
Reply to David Amos
Why are you paying for healthcare?  
 

David Amos
Reply to David Wilson   
Higgy refused to give me a Health Care card 
 

Harvey York
Reply to David Wilson
Youll never get him to say what he did to have his medicare card revoked.... 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York
Do tell us all 
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to David Amos 
Surprise, surprise, surprise 
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to Harvey York
"falsely" revoked like he was "falsely" imprisoned. LOL 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York 
What is so funny???  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Harvey York
Perhaps folks should review what Lou Bell and I were posting on my birthday nearly 5 years ago
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to David Wilson   
The Liberals did nothing while in power , although they did give 2 NB Universities money they claimed was for xtra Nursing seats , of which we got none . Results are for what we pay for , not the Liberal mantra of pay for getting nothing . 
 

MR Cain
Reply to Harvey York 
He tells a great story. 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to John Raymond 
Ok, they will be replacing the Conservatives.   
 
 
Harvey York
Reply to MR Cain  
Living life as a reprobate has consequences. Spending the rest of your days throwing social media pity-parties trying to con people into believing you're a hard done by angel = priceless 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to Harvey York  
Everybody has a better story than another.  
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to Harvey York 
We have to be careful; we might end up on one of his blogs.

 

 
 
Mel Faulkner   
Staffing shortage a huge problem but there are solutions. Pharmacists, under new regulations are able to treat patients with respiratory infections and more straight forward procedures. IN two recent visits to emergency, looking around the room, a pharmacist could probably treat 20% of patients, cutting the burden on the doctor by 20%. If they can not find more doctors, hire a pharmacist for each shift and clear the respiratory infections out quickly, leaving the more complicated for doctors. Also triage nurses should have power to send broken bones for xray. There are straightforward procedures that a triage nurse should have authority to order again taking the strain off the doctor. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Mel Faulkner  
Your name rings a bell in the back of my mind 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to Mel Faulkner  
Pharmacists are not doctors; let them prescribe cough medicine. I would sooner have a nurse practitioner diagnose an illness. Broken bones are not emergencies.
 
 
David Wilson
Reply to MR Cain
Actually broken bones are very often emergencies.  
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Wilson
The standard triage would determine that. Most times, not emergencies.  
 
 
David Wilson
Reply to MR Cain
You said "Broken bones are not emergencies" 
 
 
David Wilson
Reply to MR Cain 
An open or complete fracture will almost always require emergency room treatment 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to David Wilson   
Of course
 
 
SarahRose Werner
Reply to Mel Faulkner 
From what I've read, the triage nurse who was working alone the evening of Mr Mesheau's death already had far more work to do than she could handle. Now you want her to handle x-ray referrals as well? 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Wilson 
That is true. It is not the broken bone that would be the problem; they would be looking for hemorrhaging, blood pressure, pulse, oxygen. Fixing the bone takes more time, so hardly an emergency, 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to David Wilson  
It is not the fracture but the hemorrhaging. Fixing the bone can happen later. 
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to MR Cain 
And probably close to half those showing up in the ER are not emergencies . Many are for the sniffles and nothing more . Or maybe go to one of the 5 hospitals that the Liberals and Greens saved their ER's that were serving 2 or 3 people an evening at best . 
 
 
 

 
Laura Smith  
If this person had arrived by ambulance, would they still be alive? Will the inquest answer that question?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Laura Smith 
Nobody could answer such a question
 
 
Laura Smith  
Reply to Laura Smith
Never mind. Why didn't the ambulance attendants remain with this person? Might have kept track of his vital signs.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Laura Smith
Thats a very good question

"According to national standards known as the Canadian triage and acuity scale, patients like Mesheau who are triaged as being Level 3, or urgent, should be seen by a doctor within 30 minutes.

Mesheau had been at the hospital since 9:30 the night before, the jury heard. He arrived by ambulance after calling 911.

Primary care paramedic Ashley Guptill said Mesheau told her he'd had a cold for a week and tested negative for COVID-19, but he felt weak all day, short of breath on exertion, and had stomach cramps on and off. He'd also vomited that morning and had diarrhea."

 
Laura Smith  
Reply to David Amos
I noticed that he had arrived by ambulance - I thought they stayed with the patient until they are admitted. I don't seem to be able to delete my original comment. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Laura Smith
They do in Moncton  
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to Laura Smith
He was admitted to emergency. 


Bobby Richards 
Reply to Laura Smith
He did arrive by ambulance  
 
 
Laura Smith
Reply to Laura Smith
Yes, and I already said I couldn't delete my erroneous comment.



 
Graeme Scott 
How did universal healthcare become universally poor healthcare? In many ways Canada really is broken.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Graeme Scott
We get the governments we deserve 
 
 
MR Cain
Reply to Graeme Scott
The boomer kids are running the show now. 
 
 
 
 
 

Inquest into Fredericton ER waiting-room death begins with jury selection

3 women and 2 men will hear evidence in death of Darrell Mesheau

A coroner's inquest into the death of a patient in the waiting room of the Fredericton hospital's emergency department got underway Monday with jury selection.

Darrell Mesheau, 78, died on July 12, 2022, at the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital.

Deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy and the jury of three women and two men will publicly hear evidence from witnesses to determine the facts surrounding his death.

The jurors, selected from among the 74 people summonsed who appeared, will have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing deaths under similar circumstances.

In an emailed statement to CBC News last Tuesday, Mesheau's son said the family expects the inquest will "bring to light" the details surrounding his father's death.

"The family is well aware of the deplorable state of the healthcare system in New Brunswick, and we hope that the recommendations forthcoming from the inquest will help drive positive change and ensure that no New Brunswicker will face such a tragedy again," said Ryan Mesheau.

Sparked outrage, prompted changes

The death of Mesheau, a former diplomat, father of two and grandfather of one, sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership.

During a news conference three days later, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

According to witness John Staples, Mesheau, whom he described as an elderly man, had been waiting alone in a wheelchair, in visible discomfort, for hours when he appeared to fall asleep. It was only during a routine check of people in the waiting room that a hospital employee realized the man had stopped breathing, Staples told CBC News at the time.

Nurses doing double duty

The licensed practical nurses who were assigned to check on patients in the ER waiting room the night Mesheau died were also assigned to other tasks and "could not commit to regular checks," documents obtained by CBC News through a right-to-information request revealed.

The nurse-to-patient ratio the day Mesheau died was "alarmingly high and unquestionably … unsafe," according to local representatives of the New Brunswick Nurses Union.

A quality process review conducted by Horizon found, the "lack of consistent patient monitoring and the inability to meet standards in the emergency department waiting room decreases the likelihood for early recognition in patient health decline," the documents showed.

The coroner's inquest was originally scheduled for last May, but was abruptly postponed when new information was brought forward, prompting an investigation by police.

In December, Fredericton police concluded Mesheau's death did not involve criminality.

The inquest is being held at the Fredericton Inn and is scheduled to continue through Thursday.

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Patient who died in Fredericton ER waiting room wasn't checked for more than 2 hours, inquest hears

Coroner and jury to determine facts surrounding death of Darrell Mesheau on July 12, 2022

No medical staff checked Darrell Mesheau's vital signs in the roughly two and a half hours before he died waiting for care at the Fredericton hospital's emergency department, a coroner's inquest heard Monday.

Coroner Peter Kiervin, who investigated Mesheau's death on July 12, 2022, testified he reviewed the security video from the Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital ER, and saw no physical interactions with him between 2:03 a.m. and 4:28 a.m.

According to national standards known as the Canadian triage and acuity scale, patients like Mesheau who are triaged as being Level 3, or urgent, should be seen by a doctor within 30 minutes.

Mesheau had been at the hospital since 9:30 the night before, the jury heard. He arrived by ambulance after calling 911.

Primary care paramedic Ashley Guptill said Mesheau told her he'd had a cold for a week and tested negative for COVID-19, but he felt weak all day, short of breath on exertion, and had stomach cramps on and off. He'd also vomited that morning and had diarrhea.

His medical history included a heart attack and quadruple bypass, diabetes, some hypertension and cholesterol issues, but his heartbeat, breathing rate, temperature and blood pressure were all "unremarkable," she said. "There was nothing glaringly obvious" and he was able to walk on his own.

The 78-year-old was later discovered "lifeless," deputy chief coroner Emily Caissy told the jury.

Sparked outrage, prompted changes

Mesheau's death sparked outrage across the province and prompted a major shakeup of New Brunswick's health-care leadership.

During a news conference three days later, Premier Blaine Higgs announced the firing of Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité.

The presiding coroner and jury of three women and two men are hearing evidence from witnesses to determine the facts surrounding his death.

The jurors will also have the opportunity to make recommendations aimed at preventing death under similar circumstances.

'We are human,' says licensed practical nurse

On Monday, the inquest heard from six witnesses, including licensed practical nurse April Knowles.

Knowles was assigned to work on the psychiatric side of the waiting room the day of Mesheau's death, but volunteered to help out in the ER because they were short-staffed.

Knowles said Mesheau's vitals were fine when she checked them around 2:03 a.m., but she was concerned he was so pale, so she bumped his chart ahead of three other patients. He would have been the next in line for a bed, she said.

Knowles said she did a visual check on Mesheau from about 15 feet away around 3:46 a.m. and his eyes were open. She couldn't tell whether he was breathing because he was wearing a mask.

A large sign in front of a large building with a busy parking lot reads, Dr. Everett Chalmers Regional Hospital, emergency. Mesheau arrived at the Chalmers hospital by ambulance shortly after 9:30 p.m. on July 11, 2022, and was discovered 'lifeless' about seven hours later, the jury heard. (Joe McDonald/CBC)

When she checked him again, he had a pulse, but it was "very faint" and he was unresponsive. That's when they initiated a "code blue" for respiratory distress.

"It is knowledge that we're supposed to do an hourly check," said Knowles, but stressed she had other patients and other duties, such as administering medicine, and fetching blankets, cold cloths or sandwiches.

"It means we are human, we are one human … doing six or seven jobs," she said, adding that the work can be overwhelming.

17 admitted patients in ER

There were a total of 52 patients between 7 p.m. and July 11 and 5 a.m. July 12, according to then-acting nurse manager Neil Gabriel.

The ER was short-staffed. The overnight crew — already stretched thin — was down by one, leaving only one registered nurse up front to manage the department and handle all triage, he said.

But Gabriel said the main problem was that there were 17 patients in the ER who had been admitted to hospital but were waiting for a bed to become available.

He said that left nowhere to see other patients who were waiting like Mesheau, and the national standard of Level 3 patients being seen within 30 minutes was "completely unrealistic."

Being "bed-blocked" has been a problem for years, said Gabriel, largely due to patients who are waiting in hospital for a long-term care placement.

The coroner, Peter Kiervin, said he spoke to the doctor on duty and a nurse practitioner and neither could provide a "reasonable probable cause of death," so he ordered an autopsy be conducted.

He subsequently recommended to the chief coroner that an inquest would be "in the best interest of the public."

One of the concerns for him was the time that elapsed between Mesheau's arrival at the ER and death, he said.

"What's going on here? Why is he there that long? He hasn't seen the doctor and now he's passed away."

Family expected to comment

Members of Mesheau's family attended Monday's proceedings at the Fredericton Inn but declined to comment until Tuesday, once they've had an opportunity to hear more of the evidence.

In an emailed statement to CBC News last Tuesday, Mesheau's son said the family expects the inquest will shed light on the details surrounding his father's death.

"The family is well aware of the deplorable state of the healthcare system in New Brunswick, and we hope that the recommendations forthcoming from the inquest will help drive positive change and ensure that no New Brunswicker will face such a tragedy again," wrote Ryan Mesheau.

A quality process review conducted by Horizon found the "lack of consistent patient monitoring and the inability to meet standards in the emergency department waiting room decreases the likelihood for early recognition in patient health decline," documents obtained by CBC News through a right-to-information request revealed.

The coroner's inquest was originally scheduled for last May, but was abruptly postponed when new information was brought forward, prompting an investigation by police.

In December, Fredericton police concluded Mesheau's death did not involve criminality.

The inquest resumes Tuesday at 9 a.m. It's scheduled to continue through Thursday.

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13 Comments 
 
 
 
David Amos
 I wonder if they ever found the records of the coroner's inquest I testified at in 1982
 
 
David Amos
Go Figure why I got a Health Care Card after Higgy fired the Horizon Health Network president and CEO John Dornan, replaced Dorothy Shephard as health minister and removed the boards of both Horizon and Vitalité. 
 
 
Michael Milne 
Reply to David Amos 
Doctors can't run a 7-11 - they have zero business training.
 
 
David Amos

Reply to Michael Milne  
The buck stops with Higgy 
 
 
 
 
Michael Milne
 All anyone has to do is visit hospitals on the border and compare. the US ones have immediate service, multiple nurses to triage, a doctor within about 15 minutes and the hospital is immaculately clean. Compaered to a Canadian hospital less than 10 minutes away - a clerk who takes your number and asks your condition, a nurse about 30 minutes later takes your BP and asks again "what is the problem" Ushered into a room where 30 minutes later a doctor runs in and asks the problem again, maybe a nurse does a procedure a doctor should do, room filthy (I have got a secondary infection every time I have gone to a Canadian hospital and the doctor was too stupid to realize they should prescibe some antibiotics. Last infection almost killed me, fortunately I had a stock of antibiotics purchased in the US with symptom and use instructions. If I had to go back to the Canadian hospital I may have died waiting. Get over it people the Canadian Medicare system stinks! By the way last visit to the US hospital cost $480 for primo care - less than a brake job for my car. 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Michael Milne  
Clearly you can afford the primo care However not all of us are so fortunate So why rub it in?
 
 
 
 
Trevis Kingston  
 New Brunswick... a great place to live.

We pay higher taxes than many Provinces... but always seem to have

less than we pay for.

If we don't have Health Care... nothing else really matters does it?

 
David Amos

Reply to Trevis Kingston
When Mr Mesheau died Higgy would not permit me to have a Health Care Card  
 
 
Michael Milne 
Reply to Trevis Kingston
Its running two systems inefficiently, instead of one efficiency. The problem is a lot of countries have two languages but they don't force an inefficient two system duplication.  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Michael Milne  
Tell that to the Feds
 
 
 
 
 
Les Cooper 
Why are they not investigating the other deaths at NB hospital waiting rooms?  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to Les Cooper  
Good question 
 
 
G. Timothy Walton 
Reply to Les Cooper  
It takes time to get around to it.

Or it could be that Mesheau knew important people from his career. 

 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton  
The coroner's inquest I testified at in 1982 was held within about a month of the untimely death 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to G. Timothy Walton 
Anyone can go the library and look it up in the records of the local papers from July of 1982 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Wednesday 7 August 2019

Dominic LeBlanc makes 1st public appearance in months since non-Hodgkin lymphoma diagnosis

 
 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dominic-leblanc-irving-lymphoma-1.5215637


Ethics czar erred in approving LeBlanc's use of Irving plane: Democracy Watch

'Given his immune system is compromised, his doctors determined that he could not travel commercial'

 

The Canadian Press · Posted: Jul 17, 2019 4:44 PM ET 

 

Dominic LeBlanc addresses the media in Saskatoon, Sask., Wednesday, September 12, 2018. (Matt Smith/THE CANADIAN PRESS)

The House of Commons' ethics watchdog should never have approved a flight taken by Liberal cabinet minister Dominic LeBlanc on a private aircraft owned by J.D. Irving, says an organization that advocates for greater government accountability.

Duff Conacher, co-founder of Democracy Watch, said ethics commissioner Mario Dion erred in pre-approving LeBlanc's private trip from Moncton to Montreal aboard an Irving plane, to see a doctor for cancer treatment.

"The ethics commissioner acted like an unethical lapdog by approving this unethical gift of a flight," Conacher said.

The flight, first reported by The Globe and Mail, took place on June 13, according to a filing on the ethics commissioner's website.

LeBlanc is being treated for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and has been on medical leave since April. He needed to attend a hospital in Montreal and was told by his doctors he could not travel commercially, according to a spokesperson in his office.

He travelled from Moncton to Montreal on a "non-commercial chartered or private aircraft" owned by J.D. Irving Ltd. — a company headed by a personal friend of LeBlanc's who owns and is affiliated with companies involved in shipbuilding, oil, forestry and agriculture.

"Given his immune system is compromised, his doctors determined that he could not travel commercial," said Mikaela Harrison, a communications assistant in LeBlanc's office.

"All travel was pre-approved by the commissioner."

A statement provided by Dion's office says he "considered the facts that were presented to him and granted his approval under Section 12 of the (Conflict of Interest Act) related to travel," adding that the sparse details provided in the public filing are all that Dion is permitted to say on the matter.

Influence over the minister

That section of the law says that ministers and others cannot accept free non-commercial flights except in exceptional circumstances — generally considered to be emergencies in remote locations — or with the commissioner's approval. It doesn't spell out what should lead the commissioner to approve or forbid a flight and Dion would not elaborate.

Conacher said LeBlanc should have instead chartered a private plane and paid for it himself, rather than accept a gift from the owner of a company that regularly lobbies the federal government.

He pointed to four charter airline companies that can be hired for private flights within eastern Canada, one of which indicates online that it operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week and can be in the air within 40 minutes.

"The general rule is, you can't accept any gift that might reasonably be seen to have been given to influence you, and a gift of a free flight from a company that lobbies the federal government — anyone would reasonably see that as a gift that could have influence over the minister," Conacher said.

'No exceptional circumstance'

LeBlanc did establish a conflict of interest screen with the ethics commissioner's office after he was appointed to cabinet in 2015 that bars him from taking part in decisions that directly affect James D. Irving and his companies.

But Conacher said this conflict screen doesn't make the Irving flight OK, it makes the situation worse.

"He's supposed to stay away from anything to do with Irving, so this just compounds it."

Conacher also raised concern about the lack of transparency involved in Dion's decision. He believes all rulings and decisions of the conflict of interest commissioner should be made public, as is the case for ethics complaints that are investigated by Dion's office — they lead to reports that lay out facts and Dion's reasoning in sustaining or rejecting the complaints.

"There's no exceptional circumstance here and you're not required to take this flight from the Irvings," Conacher said. "Do like anyone else would have to do anywhere else in the country — if they didn't want to drive themselves, charter a plane."

 

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246 Comments
Commenting is now closed for this story.(Too many to bother saving on my birthday but I did later)
 
 
 
 
David Amos
Methinks if the lawyer Duff Conacher were remotely ethical he would have answered the same same documents I sent him,, the Governor General, Bernie Lord and a lot of other public officials and lawyers in 2004 N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
Brian Stewart
All animals are equal but some are more equal than others it would appear
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Brian Stewart: Methinks that is the law of the jungle that all lawyers are very familiar with Another one that all businessmen know is "He With the Gold Makes The Rules" N'esy Pas?
 

 
 
Dave King
Danny Williams took a chartered flight to Florida when he was Premier of NL for medical treatment. This outraged everyone and was the beginning of the end of his political career. Everyone will complain about something so charter private flight don't think it would have been different. What the issue is who he took the flight from. If he chartered, he would have only charged the tax payer so I say good that the Liberals finally saved Canadians some money.
 
 
McKenzie King
Reply to @Dave King: The issue with Danny wasn't that he took a private charter, that he paid for by the way, but that he went to a for-profit hospital in the States for a medical treatment he could have gotten in Newfoundland, but he would have to wait just like anyone else.
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @McKenzie King: True
 
 
 
 
 
Joe campbell
It would be interesting to know who phoned who. Did Leblanc call Irving for a jet ride or did Irving call to offer the jet.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Joe campbell: How would Irving know his buddy needed it?
 
 
Ron Vollans
Reply to @David R. Amos: If you are friends with someone, it's reasonable to assume your friend knows about your health problems.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ron Vollans: Methinks its a cae of which came first the the chicken or the egg. I bet the plane was on stand by if he needed it Obviously everybody knew in advance of the "emergency" in order to seek Dion's permission N'esy Pas? 
 

 
 
 
Caroline B
I'm thorn between two things: 1- It really sucks that this gentleman is suffering from a very aggressive form of cancer and I really hope he recovers because I don't wish people ill. 2- The Irving family has way too much control over the government and this is just one more thing to add to the naughty list. After their political interference in the MV Asterix project which led to the Norman case, they should have been laying way low. And this sick politician should have probably just taken the time off and taken the train to Montreal (would have been 17 hours but I'm sure one day of traveling wouldn't be a problem for his health).
 
 
Adam Fowler
Reply to @Caroline B: He has been on medical leave since April
 
 
Ron Vollans
Reply to @Caroline B:
The problem is his exposure to infectious diseases. Trains would be worse than commercial flights.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ron Vollans: Methinks the mini van of the Shadow Cabinet Minister Rob Moore would have been as clean as Irving's plane N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Mac Isaac
"There's no exceptional circumstance here..." Is this clown out of his gourd?!? Seriously, if having cancer isn't an "exceptional circumstance", what in hell is it!?! This partisan sniping has limits...no matter what your affiliation might be. Surely having some sort of humanity is important, too.
 
 
Evelyn Gaudreau
Reply to @Mac Isaac: He could certainly have avoided this controversy by leasing a private plane and paying for it out of his own pocket. I am pretty sure he could afford that expense. No reason to accept a gift from a company.
 
 
Ron Vollans
Reply to @Evelyn Gaudreau: He made multiple trips. Each trip would have cost $2000+ per hour of flight time, plus stand-bye time, plus flight back time. I don't think many people can afford that.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Ron Vollans: Methinks everybody knows Leblanc certainly can and most of the rest of us cannot N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Adam Fowler
Ol' Dom has been on leave since April, had enough time to consult doctors regarding his travel, enough time to get this trip approved by the ethics commissioner, but yet didn't have enough time to take a day to drive up and a day to drive back or be driven?? Certainly doesn't seem like it was a last minute trip...God forbid he be like the common folk that he "represents". What a joke.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Adam Fowler: Welcome to the Circus
 
 
 
 
 
Mario Doucet
If LaBlanc is getting favors like this from the Irvings what are they getting in return from this politician, not to mention the friends and family judicial patronage appointments that will affect the legal system for decades, this guy is unreal, cares very little about the people of Canada.
 
 
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Mario Doucet: However he has been extremely successful at filling his own pockets and those of family and friends...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: YUP
 
 
 
 
 
Mack Leigh
Quite a list of " friends " that are stepping up to help Dominic in his time of need.. Treatments at the Georges Dumont Hospital in Moncton.. The same hospital where cancer researcher Ouellette received millions in funding by the Liberals.. Is not Dr. Ouellette also a personal friend of Dominic and have they not vacationed together along with V. Boudreau and other staunch Liberals... Nothing to see here folks other than more Liberal corruption , collusion and feeding at the trough.. Perks not afforded to us poor folk who have to get to doctor appointments on our own steam no matter which disease has comprised our immune system......  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Surprise Surprise Surprise 
 
 
 
 
 
David Brooks
Let them eat cake....
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @David Brooks: They already do
 
 
 
 
Marc Martin
This is so irrelevant, in the past I have seen several time the Irving used their plane for their own employees and other people, the MCains also do this, leave political bias out of health issues come on now.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Marc Martin: Methinks we should not be surprised to see you brag that you were on the planes translating things for the "Powers That Be in NB" and the SANB N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Buford Wilson
Dominic stepped in it.
 
 
Mack Leigh
Reply to @Buford Wilson: One more time !! Does not even make him flinch since he and his cohorts are .... Above The Law .....and are accountable to no one..
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Mack Leigh: Methinks everybody knows I have beating on that drum since I first ran against them all in 2004 N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Dayton Funk
Unethical ethics Czar is the story here.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Dayton Funk: YUP
 

 
 
 
Roland Stewart
He is a good Irving employee and worked hard for the right to fly in that plane.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Roland Stewart: Methinks many a true word is said in jest N'esy Pas?
 
 

 
 
Donald Smith
And we're really supposed to believe this [ lol ]
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Donald Smith: Mais Oui
 
 
 
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Incredible to see the lack of human civility when someone is battling cancer. for what? political points? For CPC sycophants to find something sinister here with all the BS that happened under Harper for personal gain is mind blowing. Ashamed of the Canadians that resort to this partisan onslaught. Nothing is safe and it will eventually destroy everything. In this mindset please don't expect empathy when you are battling this disease....cynicism and indifference are contagious.
 
 
William Vanston
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Your comments are the ones that are partisan. I would expect most people in New Brunswick would not have been offered Consultation in Montreal let alone a round trip in an executive jet. From experience in Ontario I know that from Indentification of possible lymphoma to first treatment 97 days .

It’s great that he appears to be beating cancer but you can not actually believe it’s fair to those that had to see him stepping to the front of the line.

The complaint is from an organization that leans left, some where between NDP and Liberals.
The problem with the issue is that if you and your loved ones get to go tothe front of the line you are not going to do anything for those stuck at the end of the line. 
 
 
Cathy Bowslaugh
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Guess you didn't read the article huh? He can very well afford to charter his own flight, which is more than most Canadians can say. Instead he accepts a flight from a Liberal friendly company that lobbies the government. if this were the Conservatives, you'd be all over it.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks I should lay odds that you are somehow related to Leblanc's buddy the Health Minister Pettipas-Taylor N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Fred Dee 
an ethical man would not have asked!!!!!
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Fred Dee:
Wrong....someone who is open and transparent will seek ethical approval...because the lack of understanding that is overwhelmingly obvious in these posts.
  
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you and your favourite liberal lawyers should go to Federal Court and pull my file in order to review the answer I got from Mario Dion's old post known as "The Office of the Public Sector Integrity Commissioner" N'esy Pas? 
 
 
 

 
Fred Dee
GEEEEEEEEE the obvious is not obvious with the Moncton crew. Of course he gets approved,,,, he is Justins friend is he not!!!!

how much time has he spent in Ottawa working for us while getting paid full time!!! should have stepped back from his post while ill... but $$$$$ for nothing and flights for free!!!!
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Fred Dee:
Most employees have sick days...especially govt employees. Do you not know this???
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you should be using one right now in order to write all this spin rather than doing it at work N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Janice small
The power of being in power..Leblanc has more the the means to charter a flight to Montreal..I guess it's no different than Peter MacKay being dropped off and picked up by a Canadian Military Sea King.. from a fishing trip..
 
 
Fred Dee
Reply to @Janice small: I believe that was actually for gov. reasons!!!
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Fred Dee:
the difference is that in this case Canadians did not pay for the travel!!! big difference with McKay where we all paid!!!
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: the difference is that macKay was ON government business...LeBlanc was on Irving business...you know, his REAL employer..
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Devries: YUP 
 
 
 
 
 
valentina vivianao 
There are thousands of cancer patients with weak immune systems that cannot afford to drive to their treatment because they cannot afford the outrageous parking fees and have to resort to taking public transit.
The rules are always different for the privileged.
I wish Mr. Le Blanc good health and a successful recovery, however, there is no denying the obvious.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @valentina vivianao:
Yes he could have....too bad NB does not have the same standard of care as elsewhere in Canada so that he could have driven and parked. That is the injustice!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Cry me a river. Then once you are done who are you gonna blame for that if not liberals? 
 

 
 
 
Fergus O'Ryan
"Ethics czar erred in approving LeBlanc's use of Irving plane"

This guy is an embarrassment, I'm sorry he has cancer. It's a conflict of interest, don't try and point it any other way.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Fergus O'Ryan:
Please explain the conflict of interest and how taxpayer money was misappropriated??
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: You seem to be "employed" pushing the Lib spin...are you paid for this ???
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you should take a day off and go to Federal Court and pull my file then start reading N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Jake Devries: Methinks most folks would bet dimes to dollars he is N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Marc LeBlanc
Remember Mike Murphy's comment about the "Liberal Elites"who are running this province into the ground while lining their pockets all the way down
If you don't see the obvious,you're the real problem
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Marc LeBlanc:
Quoting Mike Murphy is never a good starting point!! kind of like quoting Donald Trump!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks anyone can Google RCMP Sussex New Brunswick
Within YouTube can be found a quote of a letter to me from Mikey Murphy when he was the Minister of Health for NB in 2007 N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos 
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Go Figure

January 30, 2007

WITHOUT PREJUDICE

Mr. David Amos

Dear Mr. Amos:

This will acknowledge receipt of a copy of your e-mail of December 29, 2006 to Corporal Warren McBeath of the RCMP. Because of the nature of the allegations made in your message, I have taken the measure of forwarding a copy to Assistant Commissioner Steve Graham of the RCMP °J" Division in Fredericton.

Sincerely,
Honourable Michael B. Murphy
Minister of Health

CM/cb
 
 
 
 
Kim Moore
I am curious as to how those of us who don't have rich friends with private planes, would have gotten to the hospital.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Kim Moore:
Maybe you don't have cancer? or maybe your community does a fundraiser? or maybe you live in Mtl or Toronto? or maybe ....
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Maybe you should take a hint from all the down votes and quit because you are certainly not doing your beloved liberal party any favours today with you malicious nonsense However everybody know why I hope you continue on N'esy Pas?
 
 
Brian Stewart
Reply to @David R. Amos: that is sound advice but it isn't being heeded 
 
 
 
 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
It's episodes like this one that deters good people from running for political office. The man has cancer for heaven's sake! And the flight was preapproved. No wonder we are run by goofballs in Fredericton!
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Too bad all Canadians with cancer do not get his benefit. But they do help pay for it.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
What benefit? getting medical treatment? all Canadian get this especially if you live in have provinces and not NB.
 
 
Jody Melsom
Reply to @mike kennedy: Hey Mike....how much did you chip in for the free flight? I am guessing at least half of the zero dollars came from your pocket alone.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Jody Melsom:
I think Mikey thinks he is Jim Irving
 
 
Fred Brewer
Reply to @Jody Melsom: I think he meant there is no such thing as a "free lunch" and therefore no such thing as a free flight. We the taxpayer will pay for this flight with government "favours" and subsidies down the road to the benefit of you know who.
 
 
Marguerite Deschamps
Reply to @Barry Odonnell: love him, no. like him yes, like I do many other people, no matter the language they speak.
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: yes, corruption should never see daylight...
 
 
David Amos
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Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks its time for you to take your meds and a have nap N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Marguerite Deschamps: Methinks all you SANB dudes love everyone named Leblanc N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks its a rather telling thing that you can insult me but when I rely in the same fashion I am blocked N'esy Pas?
 
 

 
 
Chris Schott
One the one hand; he got ethics approval. On the other hand.....did Leblanc HIMSELF not see that this was a conflict of interest?!? I mean one of the liberals LARGEST donors, they are embroiled in a fair number of sketcky government ship building contracts. Leblanc might be one of the most corrupt of al the liberals. Sigh
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Chris Schott:
Conflict? he has removed himself from all decision with Irvings because they are friends then your friends cannot help you when you have a life-threatening disease??? Altruism can only take you so far!
 
 
Jody Melsom
Reply to @Chris Schott: Corrupt? That is laughable. Oh no, a bunch of lawyers got jobs as judges, and surprise surprise, these lawyers just happened to be friends with......you guessed it...lawyers. Can you imagine a scenario where lawyers didn't know other lawyers? Did they meet the criteria to become judges? Yes they did, it's not as if they appointed some random person that Dominic knows that works in retail to become a judge.

When you have cancer and need treatment for it, let us all know how straight your mind is and how clear your thoughts are. 
 
 
Chris Schott
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: They may be his friends; but he - along with his colleagues in the liberal cabinet - is a public servant in charge of ALOT of money that does to his....friends. Lewis do you see no conflict - or potential conflict - here?
 
 
winston adair
Reply to @Chris Schott: How word he have got there if he was turn down? Might have had to call Air Force 1. Was it life or death?
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Chris Schott:
he is not making decision on Irving files because they are friends it is cleared by ethics then the guy has major health issues and his friends cannot help him? and he declared it with ethics. you would prefer a lose-lose scenario??? Maybe all elected officials should take an oath to disavow all friends??? really? no wonder we are in this mess.
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Chris Schott: LeBlanc and his wife are millionaires...ill-gotten from the taxpayers...let him pay his own damn way...like the rest of us
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Conspiracies galore...med levels too low?? 
 
 
 
 
 
Jim Johnson
A Liberal is a Liberal is a Liberal
 
 
Kim Moore
Reply to @Jim Johnson:
The same thing would have happened if he was a Conservative. An oil executive would have given him a free flight on a private plane. This is not a partisan issue.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Jim Johnson:
And a Con hack is a con hack is a con hack...
 
 
winston adair
Reply to @Jim Johnson: Yea crooked as they come.
 
 
Buddy Best
Reply to @Kim Moore: Your right Kim. This is more elitism policy. Their list of entitlements cannot be challenged and some politician some where next week will be doing the same thing. It will be as wrong then as it is now, but it too will have no lasting consequence. The living ills of the haves and have nots. Sick!!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks the same holds true for liberal ones such as yourself N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
" Thanks for the FREE lift , Git ye back later , tenfold " !
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lou Bell: But don't you know they are just friends... with benefits.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Waiting for you to need help some day.
 
 
Brent Mitchell
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: and then Irving will fly us to the hospital?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you need help today N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Apparently " unable to travel commercially " translates to " FREE FLIGHT " !!
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
for cancer...how sick can you be?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: How sick are you?
 
 
 
 
Lou Bell
Obviously Mr. Dion hasn't a clue as to what his job really is. That's a permanent tatoo he's wearing !
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
Similar to yours?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you two are two peas in a pod one red and one blue N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
mike kennedy
Hey Irvings, do you mind if I use your personal plane. No? But why?
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
No need for a plane....you are on your own stratosphere
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @mike kennedy: why ?? Because you cannot do anything for them...like try to get a contract with Davie shipyard sent to hfx shipyards, aka Irving...
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks byway of the tally the down votes against you most folks must be wondering what planet you are on N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
John Siciliano
Even Democracy Watch is a group that can lobby. So when those that say Irving can lobby so can groups like Democracy Watch. Democracy Watch just because they say something that resonates with one side that does not determine wrongdoing. That is what independent arbiters like the ethics commissioner are for otherwise what is the point of having one.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @John Siciliano: Who does Democracy Group lobby?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: Every day
 
 
 
 
 
Kasper Kane
The ethics czar needs to be investigated
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Kasper Kane: I wholeheartedly Agree Sir
 
 
 
 
 
Roger Jerome
This is hard to believe....lol
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Roger Jerome: Methinks believing has nothing to do with enjoying a circus N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Lewis Taylor: 
A company that regularly lobbies govt...and that Leblanc has officially recused himself from any file involving the Irvings....Duff you cannot have it both ways...you recuse because they are friends and then you cannot accept when a friend helps you when you have a potentially....probably....lethal disease???? Let's see how this would play out if you had the cancer????
 
 
Robert Buck
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: And how would you get to an out of province hospital if you had cancer and could not fly commercial? Would Irving supply you with a free flight?
 
 
Lewis Taylor:
Reply to @Robert Buck:
Why not ask them yourself??
 
 
Dianne MacPherson
Reply to @Robert Buck:
Irving does sponsor a program called
'fuel the care' for families travelling to
the IWK in Halifax for their children.
Chalk this one up as the adult version !!!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you know as well as I why the "Powers That Be in NB" have denied me my right to possess a Health Care Card for many years Hence why would you liberals suddenly care if i had cancer or not N'esy Pas?
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor Methinks you should ask yourself why you dared to call me a conspiracy theorist yesterday and expect me to not respond to your insult N'esy Pas?





mike kennedy
No, it's all fine Dominic is a Liberal and has special entitlements unlike the ordinary Canadian.
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @mike kennedy: So you think you know more than the ethics commissioner. He knows the rules you don't!!
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @John Siciliano: The commissioner is a Liberal appointment, think about it. I'll take the word of an arms length group like Democracy Watch any day.
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @mike kennedy: Except Mary Dawson was also appointed by the Conservatives. One could assume that as well.
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @John Siciliano: How far are you going to take that argument??!
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Democracy watch is a lobby group!....wake up!
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: NO IT'S NOT !!!
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Who do they lobby?
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Have you ever follow their messaging? You would not ask the question. Hint....they support the CPC.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Hint...you don't like it when your Liberals are busted by an arms length group.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Or when a CPC hack takes advantage of someone's health to try and create a scandal out of nothing!!!
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Give the same treatment to all Canadians and I'm more than fine with it. Canadians are fed up with these types using our money to fund their friends
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Mikey have you had a family member with cancer? you would have appreciated that some hack stranger tries to gain political advantage over their dire situation??? I think any decent human would agree that this would be a disgusting cheap shot. if you don't agree then please let me know the next time you have a family member with cancer...so I can deliver an equal dose of medicine.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
It is not your money!!!!! get over it.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Where does the money to pay for the contracts awarded to Irvings by LeBlanc come from in your mind?
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: There are many Canadian's needing help. LeBlanc should not be given more just because he has access to handing out taxpayer cash.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Have you looked up the word "recuse"??? the irvings get contracts from all govts...especially PCs in NB. They are a major company and conduct their business with whoever is in office. I actually think it is better for us poor taxpayers when these relationships are disclosed up front like Leblanc did and avoid being part of the process. you would prefer when your buddies in the CPC take gifts without declaring it????
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
Name one contract that was awarded to Irvings that Leblance was the decision maker?? This is not Higgs in NB.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Recuse means nothing when you have handed out many millions already in the past with potentially more in the future. It is completely meaningless.
 
 
Vernon McPhee
Reply to @John Siciliano: Actually Dawson and Dion are/were not appointed by the government but by Parliament. A key point since Dawson was appointed during a Conservative minority government but Dion was appointed during a Liberal majority government therefore Dawson could not have been appointed by only Conservative MP's but Dion could be appointed by only Liberal MP's
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: The Libranos are back...
 
 
Buddy Best
Reply to @John Siciliano: Dawson was a complete joke. Wouldn't recognize an ethics breach it it bit her, but it also appears the office of an ethics commissioner is a complete joke.
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you must have noticed how many liberals Justice Richard Bell mentioned in his decision to recuse himself from my matter in Federal Court N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
John Siciliano 
Reply to @Garry Hiebert: The ethics commissioner preapproved it and according to section 12 based on travel preapproving is fine in serious circumstances that are exceptional. It aligns with that section of the conflict of interest act. Conacher wants the commissioner to revisit it and it is not based on government business.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @John Siciliano: Free flights given by lobbyists to politicians are never ok. Try some common sense not the judgement of someone appointed by the Liberals to make their life easier.
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @mike kennedy: Only an officer of parliament can determine that not average citizens.
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @John Siciliano: Without an independent arbiter we will have chaos and no rules. Dion's ruling was made independently not based on any party affiliation.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @John Siciliano: Well that helps to sweep everything under the rug, you must be happy.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy: So you would disavow all friendships when entering politics??? The hate makes clear thought impossible. The guy is fighting for his life...what do you want in return????
 
 
Lou Bell
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: MAYBE APPROVAL for all those unable to afford life saving drugs that the Government won't pay for !! But they're different , RIGHT ???????????????
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: I would be friends with the guy too if he awarded me lucrative contracts.
 
 
Gord Gunderson
Reply to @John Siciliano: The conflict of interest act only applies to government business, since Mr Leblanc medical issues has nothing to do with government business, the ethnic commissioner has no say over the matter. The EC should have stated so and said it is not government business so he could not rule.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
the problem with your logic is that they were friends before and he has recused himself for all files involved himself from these cases...do you know what recuse means???
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Lou Bell:
As you stated yesterday...since you are still in school you still have some homework to do.
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Do you know what conflict of interest means? Or are you immune as a Liberal???
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
You mean what PC in NB have listed as their platform policy??
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @mike kennedy: Methinks no politician on the planet or any of their minions would ever admit that they know what a conflict of interest is even before a judge and under oath N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
Garry Hiebert
Another liberal ethics issue
Another week another liberal ethics violation
 
 
John Siciliano
Reply to @Garry Hiebert: It won't result in another investigation; check section 12 based on travel and preapproving.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Garry Hiebert:
Leblanc is surely benefitting from this "gift" . How about you trade places with him???
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: How about another Canadians with cancer get this treatment? No, they don't give Irvings huge contracts, oh well....
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
If these Canadians are within a couple of hours drive from Mtl, Qc, Toronto, Halifax, Winnipeg, Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Hamilton, etc....then they do not need to travel 1200 kms to get treatment. IF you are in NB then you are screwed. The first case of this cancer in NB Only if you have a super rare cancer do you have that incredible privilege. How about you trade places with him or donate your bone marrow??
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: those of us in NB ARE screwed...unless we are Liberal...then free flights from government contractors...sweet
 
 
Dayton Funk
Reply to @Garry Hiebert: by the Liberal appointed Ethics commissioner no less.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks I should ask why you cry about such things only when the ethics of a wealthy liberal lawyer are in question N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jon Anderson
How ridiculous, obviously there's no quid pro quo here. Slow day at Democracy Watch......
 
 
mike kennedy
Reply to @Howard Strutt: Don't the Irvings get contract awarded by the Liberals? How obvious does it need to be for you?
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @mike kennedy:
yes nice transaction...I save your life old friend and you will grant all my wishes...if you survive!!! How twisted to see something sinister when someone's life is in the balance!
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Do you consider your arguments balanced?
 
 
 
 
 
Bernie Hopkins
Remember Chretien jumped the queue for heart surgery. Played golf with a cardiologist one day and was under the knife the next day. The policy is equal access to medical care for all Canadians. Apparently retired politicians are more equal than regular Canadians.
 
 
Martin Oram
Reply to @Bernie Hopkins:
So are many people like athletes, law enforcement, military personnel. So what is your point?
 
 
Bernie Hopkins
Reply to @Martin Oram: Our public heath care is a sham.
 
 
Ronald McCallum
Reply to @Bernie Hopkins:
" Apparently retired politicians are more equal than regular Canadians."

Bernie, do you have a problem in comprehending the following statement?

"LeBlanc's office says the minister, who has been on medical leave since April, needed to attend a hospital in Montreal and was told by his doctors he could not travel commercially because he has a compromised immune system."

EVERYONE who goes through chemotherapy have a compromised immune system.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Ronald McCallum:
Not all have an aggressive disease that requires a bone marrow transplant not available in NB that requires either a 12 hour drive or a commercial flight with all the infectious bugs for someone going through toxic chemotherapy. Not much empathy on this garbage site.
 
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks many folks would agree that you have no idea what the word empathy means just like you and legions of lawyers such as Conacher, Dion and Leblanc to name the 4 mentioned here have no understanding what integrity means N'esy Pas?

https://www.scribd.com/doc/2718120/integrity-yea-right
 
 
 
 
 
david kirby
What an ethical shambles this government is, and i bet we only know a tip of the iceberg
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @david kirby:
Yeah! There must be an underground network where dying politicians are flown for medical treatment every day.
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Who is dying?
 
 
 
 
Bernie Hopkins
Thank God it wasn't a $17 glass of orange juice. CBC would have put the run on him.
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @Bernie Hopkins:
Slow news day when we create a scandal for a politician who has a life threatening cancer and needs to leave him home province for treatment elsewhere in Canada. Maybe the scandal should be why there is no bone marrow transplant in NB so he could drive or walk to his treatment?????
 
 
winston adair
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: This is B.S
 
 
Lewis Taylor
Reply to @winston adair:
the fact that this is a story is BS. Trade places and we will attack you!
 
 
Jake Devries
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: if "we" do, will we get the Irving planes too ?? Bought and paid for Libs
 
 
David Amos
Reply to @Lewis Taylor: Methinks you seem quite bitter today no doubt its because this is not positive spin on your beloved liberals N'esy Pas?
 
 
 
 

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