Wednesday 23 October 2024

Minister says he doesn't 'expect' Trudeau to step down as MPs confront PM at caucus meeting

 

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At least 24 Liberal MPs tell Trudeau to step aside in face-to-face meeting | Power & Politics

CBC chief political correspondent Rosemary Barton and host of the The House podcast Catherine Cullen lay out what happened behind closed doors as the prime minister faced demands from some caucus members to step down as Liberal leader. Then, an Ontario Liberal MP talks about why he believes his caucus colleagues should keep leadership discussions private. And the Power Panel weighs in on dissent in the Liberal caucus and the PM's response.

 

 

How the internal push to force Trudeau to resign played out — and what might happen next

Some Liberal MPs said Trudeau needs to decide whether he is going to stay on as leader by Oct. 28

Internal calls for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to resign as Liberal leader were aired out behind closed doors Wednesday as Liberal MPs met on Parliament Hill.

All party caucuses meet weekly when the House of Commons is sitting. Liberal MPs who want Trudeau to step down used Wednesday's meeting to deliver their grievances to the prime minister in person.

Here's what happened behind the scenes, what MPs said after the meeting and what could happen in the coming weeks.

What happened in the caucus meeting?

Sources speaking to Radio-Canada said that 24 MPs signed an agreement to call on Trudeau to step down as Liberal leader.

Two sources told CBC News that B.C. MP Patrick Weiler read out a separate document — which laid out an argument for Trudeau's resignation — during the meeting.

Weiler pointed to the boost that Democrats gained after U.S. President Joe Biden backed out of the presidential race and suggested the Liberals could see a similar rebound.

(CBC News/Radio-Canada has reached out to Weiler for comment.)

WATCH | Trudeau says Liberal Party is "united and strong" as he leaves caucus meeting: 
 

Watch the moment Trudeau leaves the caucus room where some MPs called for him to resign

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says ‘the Liberal Party is strong and united’ as he emerges from a meeting of the Liberal caucus Wednesday, during which some MPs raised concerns about Trudeau’s leadership.

MPs were given two minutes each to address the room during the three-hour-long meeting. About 20 — none of them cabinet ministers — stood up to urge Trudeau to step aside before the next election, sources said. But a number of MPs also stood to voice support for the prime minister.

The dissident MPs gave Trudeau until Oct. 28 to decide on his future, sources said. But no consequences attached to that deadline were mentioned in the document read to caucus Wednesday.

The prime minister himself addressed the meeting and two MPs told CBC News that he became emotional when he talked about his children having to see "F--- Trudeau" signs in public.

At the end of the meeting, Trudeau said he would reflect on what he heard but didn't indicate that he would resign.

What was said after the meeting?

Several MPs left Wednesday's meeting indicating that they'd had an open conversation on which caucus members needed to reflect. Others said that the party is "united" in fighting the Conservatives and their leader Pierre Poilievre.

"It was a great discussion, the type of discussion that Canadians would be proud to see," Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne said.

"What really matters in the end is that we come out of that caucus meeting united, resolved and delivering for Canadians."

"One thing that we're united on — everybody — is beating Poilievre," Tourism Minister Soraya Martinez Ferrada said.

WATCH | 'Everyone was quite honest' during Liberal caucus meeting, minister says: 
 
‘Everyone was quite honest’ during Liberal caucus meeting, says Miller
 
Immigration Minister Marc Miller says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can ‘handle the truth.’ Miller described what happened during the national caucus meeting Wednesday, saying MPs were 'telling the prime minister the truth, whether he likes to hear it or not.’

Immigration Minister Marc Miller acknowledged the frustrations of some MPs and said he respects those who voiced those frustrations directly to the prime minister.

"Fundamentally, this is something that has been simmering for some time and it's important for people to get it out," he said.

"This isn't a code red situation. The prime minister can sure as hell handle the truth."

Ontario MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith said it was a "healthy conversation" but argued that Trudeau needs to take the message from disaffected MPs to heart.

"The prime minister has to listen to the frustrations — and in some cases the really valid frustrations — of his caucus colleagues and incorporate that into changes moving forward," he told reporters as he left the caucus meeting.

It's not clear what changes Liberal MPs are asking for, or if Trudeau promised anything. Erskine-Smith indicated that he thinks the Liberals need to focus on advertising.

The Conservatives have spent millions of dollars on TV, radio and online ads, while the Liberals have spent only a few hundred thousand, essentially ceding the field to the opposition, he said.

Some MPs, including Erskine-Smith, said infighting might be causing the party more harm than good.

"My colleagues need to turn their knives outwards and not inwards," Esrkine-Smith said.

A man in a blue suit, purple tie and white shirt stands and speaks in the House of Commons. Liberal Member of Parliament Charles Sousa rises during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2023. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)

Ontario MP Charles Sousa suggested internal dissent would only help the Conservatives.

"I think the caucus recognizes that we have to stay united. We can't fall prey to the fearmongering … the other guys, they can smell blood, they can smell fear. We can't let that be the case," Sousa told reporters after the caucus meeting. 

"We need to focus on the most important thing, which is getting things done here in Parliament and taking the fight to Pierre Poilievre."

While a number of MPs wouldn't offer any comment on the meeting, others left saying that everyone in caucus will have to reflect on what was said.

"We heard every angle, every aspect of this and what it's left us with is something to go away and think about," B.C. MP Ken Hardie said.

What happens next?

Despite the pressure on Trudeau, the decision on whether to stay or go ultimately rests with him. He has said repeatedly he wants to lead the party into the next election; it remains to be seen if Wednesday's meeting will make him reconsider.

"It's the decision of the leader of the party whether he stays on as leader. That is Mr. Trudeau's decision," MP Yvan Baker told reporters after the caucus meeting.

P.E.I. MP Sean Casey, who has publicly called on the prime minister to step aside, said Wednesday that he wished caucus could have a secret ballot vote on Trudeau's leadership.

"I wish there was a mechanism for it," Casey told reporters on his way into the caucus meeting.

The Liberal caucus could have had a secret ballot option if MPs had agreed to adopt the provisions in the 2015 Reform Act — legislation meant to make party leaders more accountable to their caucus members.

Under the act, if 20 per cent of caucus members sign a petition calling for a leadership review, a vote is triggered. If a majority of the MPs vote against the leader, they are forced to step down. This measure was used to oust former Conservative leader Erin O'Toole in 2022.

But the Reform Act states that parties must vote on whether to adopt its measures after each general election and the Liberals have never done so. Even if the Liberals did have the Reform Act option at their disposal, the 24 MPs who signed the document wouldn't be enough to force the vote.

Erin O'Toole appears as a witness at the Public Inquiry Into Foreign Interference in Federal Electoral Processes and Democratic Institutions in Ottawa on Wednesday, April 3, 2024. Former Conservative leader Erin O'Toole was ousted by his party under provisions in the Reform Act. (Sean Kilpatrick/The Canadian Press)

The Liberal Party does have a "leadership endorsement" ballot option built into its constitution. This mechanism allows registered Liberals to vote on whether they still support the current leader at the party's national convention — but the vote is only triggered if the party loses a general election.

New Brunswick MP Wayne Long, another vocal Trudeau detractor, was asked ahead of Wednesday's meeting if he thought a signed letter from MPs would make a difference.

"I don't know … I signed it because I believed in what the letter said and I believe in not standing in the shadows. I believe in standing up and doing what needs to be done," he told reporters outside of Parliament. 

"It's incumbent on me and all my colleagues to do what we think is best for our party. And what's best for our party is a change in leadership."

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With files from Rosemary Barton, Catherine Cullen, David Cochrane, Ashely Burke and Aaron Wherry

 
 
 
 
 
 

Liberal MPs meet amid challenge to Trudeau's leadership

CBC News Network has special coverage of the Liberal caucus meeting in Ottawa, which comes amid questions about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's leadership.
 

 
 
 
Oct 22, 2024 
A group of Liberal MPs attending Wednesday’s caucus meeting is poised to ask the prime minister to resign. Power & Politics speaks to Ken McDonald, one of the MPs behind the calls to oust Trudeau. And we hear reaction from Yasir Naqvi, one of the Liberal MPs standing behind Trudeau and his leadership.
 
 
 


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Ministers on Liberal caucus unrest, Bloc Québécois deadline – October 22, 2024

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Oct 22, 2024  
Ministers speak briefly with reporters on Parliament Hill before the federal cabinet holds its weekly meeting. Sean Fraser (housing), Mark Holland (health), Mélanie Joly (foreign affairs), Randy Boissonnault (employment) Jean-Yves Duclos (public services) and Marc Miller (immigration), Pascale St-Onge (heritage), Ya’ara Saks (mental health and addictions), Mary Ng (trade), Arif Virani (justice), Jonathan Wilkinson (natural resources), Marci Ien (women and gender equality and youth), François-Philippe Champagne (innovation), Dan Vandal (northern affairs), Bill Blair (defence), Lawrence MacAulay (agriculture and agri-food), Ahmed Hussen (international development), Diane Lebouthillier (fisheries), Harji Sajjan (emergency preparedness) and Anita Anand (transport, Treasury Board president) face questions on their support for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau amidst reports of Liberal caucus unrest. According to media reports, a group of Liberal MPs plan to formally ask the prime minister to step down as party leader at Wednesday’s federal caucus meeting. 
 
Joly also comments on the ongoing diplomatic dispute with India and on efforts to de-escalate the conflict in the Middle East as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken tours the region. 
 
Karina Gould (government House leader) and Duclos respond to questions on the Bloc Québécois’ deadline of October 29 to pass two of its private member’s bills to ensure its continued support of the minority Liberal government. 
 
Patty Hajdu (Indigenous services) discusses the AFN’s recent decision to vote against a $47.8-billion proposal to reform the First Nations child and family services program. The funding is part of a settlement agreement between First Nations and the federal government over underfunding of on-reserve child-welfare services. 
 
Additionally, St-Onge also speaks about the appointment of Marie-Philippe Bouchard as the new president and CEO of CBC/Radio-Canada. Bouchard will take over from outgoing president Catherine Tait on January 3, 2025. 
 
Additionally, Duclos and Miller comment on the Quebec’ government’s pledge to strengthen the province’s secularism rules. 
 
Blair also discusses the 10th anniversary of the Parliament Hill shooting. 
 
Boissonnault also comments the results of the New Brunswick election, which saw the provincial Liberal party led by Susan Holt win a majority government against the Progressive Conservative party led by Blaine Higgs.

 

Liberal MP says Trudeau should face leadership review | Power & Politics

Liberal MP Ken McDonald says he thinks it's time for his party to consider a leadership review of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The Newfoundland MP stopped short of saying Trudeau should step down but did say he would like to see some sort of review organized within the party. The Power Panel weighs in on McDonald's comments.

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Some Liberal MPs issue a deadline to Trudeau: make up your mind to stay or go by Oct. 28

Some Liberals want Trudeau to rethink his commitment to stay on as leader

Some Liberal MPs issued a deadline to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday: decide in the next few days if you want to stay on as leader or face some unspecified consequences.

For weeks, anti-Trudeau MPs have been meeting in secret to convince caucus members to band together and push him out of the top job to save the party from electoral ruin.

After nine years in government, Trudeau's popularity has plummeted. The CBC Poll Tracker shows the Conservatives have a 19-point lead over the governing Liberals, a margin that suggests dozens of Liberal MPs could be out of a job after the next vote.

In that context, some 24 Liberal MPs have signed a document calling on Trudeau to go.

Sources said MP Patrick Weiler read a letter to Trudeau today during the party's caucus meeting on Parliament Hill, laying out the arguments in favour of the prime minister resigning now.

That letter included a demand: Trudeau should make a choice about his future before Oct. 28.

About 20 MPs — none of them cabinet ministers — also stood up in the Liberal caucus meeting today to urge Trudeau to rethink his pledge to stay on as leader into the next election, sources told CBC News.

"I didn't think they would put an ultimatum on the table. That shows they have a great deal of resolve here that was unanticipated," one MP told CBC News.

Sources said Trudeau looked uncomfortable at times as MPs questioned his leadership.

The prime minister also got emotional at one point as he told MPs about the toll his long political career has taken on his three children, sources said.

Sources said Trudeau told caucus he would take some time to reflect after hearing their concerns about his viability as leader.

When Trudeau emerged from the meeting, his only comment to reporters was that "the Liberal Party is strong and united."

WATCH: Trudeau leaves caucus after some Liberal MPs call on him to resign   
 
Watch the moment Trudeau leaves the caucus room where some MPs called for him to resign
 
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says ‘the Liberal Party is strong and united’ as he emerges from a meeting of the Liberal caucus Wednesday, during which some MPs raised concerns about Trudeau’s leadership.

Trudeau could decide to press on as leader even if he's dealing with significant discontent in his caucus.

It's not clear what disgruntled Liberals would do if Trudeau simply ignores their demands to step aside by the specified deadline of Oct. 28.

Three MPs have come forward publicly to say they signed a caucus document committing them to making the case for Trudeau's resignation: Newfoundland's Ken McDonald, Prince Edward Island's Sean Casey and New Brunswick's Wayne Long.

McDonald, Casey and Long have all said that while they want Trudeau to go, they're not yet willing to leave the party and sit as Independents.

Speaking briefly to reporters before the caucus meeting, Casey said he'd like to see a secret vote to decide Trudeau's future: "I wish there was a mechanism for it, yes."

McDonald told CBC's Power & Politics Tuesday that he and other dissenters have also discussed voting against the government if there's another non-confidence vote and they don't see evidence that Trudeau and his team are taking their concerns seriously.

Ken McDonald is the Liberal MP for Conception Bay South in Newfoundland and Labrador. Liberal MP Ken McDonald: 'The prime minister has to start listening to the people.' (Olivia Stefanovich/CBC)

Asked by reporters Wednesday if he's still considering such a move, McDonald said he was, "but, right now, it's not something I would do."

"The prime minister has to start listening to the people," he added. "You have to try and get people back onside."

Long told reporters he's part of this movement to take on Trudeau because he thinks Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is a danger to the country — and can be beaten by a different Liberal leader.

"The Liberal Party is an institution in this country, it's bigger than one person, one leader, and it's incumbent on us as elected officials that we put our best foot forward," he said.

Wayne Long, MP for Saint John-Rothesay speaks as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Saint John Mayor Donna Reardon look on during a visit to The Wellington, a new inclusive housing project in Saint John, N.B. on Wednesday, Jan.17,2024. Wayne Long, MP for Saint John-Rothesay, speaks as Trudeau looks on during a visit to New Brunswick in January 2024. Long has signed a document that commits Liberal MPs to pushing for Trudeau to step down. (Michael Hawkins/Canadian Press)

Long, who isn't running in the next election, said that while the party needs "a change in leadership ... in the end caucus majority will rule" and he will respect whatever comes.

MPs emerged from the meeting saying it's ultimately up to Trudeau to decide what to do about his future after hearing about the considerable discontent first-hand.

"It's the decision of the leader of the party whether he stays on as leader. That is Mr. Trudeau's decision," said Liberal MP Yvan Baker.

"My sense is that Mr. Trudeau is still the leader," said MP Joël Lightbound.

Other MPs expressed confidence in Trudeau's ability to take on Poilievre in the next election.

"We're 100 per cent behind Mr. Trudeau," said MP Francis Drouin.

"We're united to defeat Mr. Poilievre," said MP Kevin Lamoureux.

"I'm proud of this team and we'll fight Mr. Poilievre in the next election," said National Revenue Minister Marie-Claude Bibeau.

"It was a great discussion and what really matters in the end is we come out of this caucus meeting united," added Industry Minister François-Philippe Champagne.

WATCH: PM can 'handle the truth,' minister says
 
‘Everyone was quite honest’ during Liberal caucus meeting, says Miller
 
Immigration Minister Marc Miller says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can ‘handle the truth.’ Miller described what happened during the national caucus meeting Wednesday, saying MPs were 'telling the prime minister the truth, whether he likes to hear it or not.’

Immigration Minister Marc Miller said he doesn't expect Trudeau will step down.

Miller, who is a close personal friend of Trudeau, said some tensions have been "simmering" in caucus and he "respects the hell out of my colleagues who were brave and stood up and said things to [Trudeau's] face."

"This isn't a code red situation. The prime minister can sure as hell handle the truth," Miller said.

Asked if Trudeau should rethink his plans to stay on, Miller said that's up to him.

"He's quite clear about his intentions and I don't expect those to change," he said.

Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, who is known for being a caucus maverick, told reporters as he left the caucus room that he thinks there's a path forward for Trudeau — if he and his team are open to some meaningful changes.

"The prime minister has to listen to the frustrations and, in some cases, very valid frustrations of caucus colleagues and incorporate that into changes moving forward," he said.

A man in a suit and red tie speaks to people not shown in the photo. Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau must listen to and act on the frustrations of Liberal caucus members. (Justin Tang/The Canadian Press)

He said the Liberal Party's decision to essentially stop advertising is a problem.

The Conservatives have spent millions of dollars on TV, radio and online ads, while the Liberals have spent only a few hundred thousand, essentially ceding the field to the opposition, he said.

But Erskine-Smith said he hopes wayward MPs "stop the palace intrigue," although he conceded talk of Trudeau's future likely won't end today.

"I think we're likely to have a few more conversations," he said.

"My colleagues need to turn the knives outwards and not inwards and we need to focus on the most important thing, which is getting things done here in Parliament and taking the fight to Pierre Poilievre, because he's a disaster for this country."

While Trudeau considers his future, there's also a petition circulating that calls on caucus to force a "confidence vote" so that Liberal MPs and the party's national executive can have a chance to vote on the leadership question.

The petition says that if Trudeau fails to secure enough support in that vote, the party should pick an interim leader and launch a leadership race to be completed no later than June 1, 2025.

This initiative, called "Project Code Red," was organized not by MPs but by some Young Liberal members and former staffers.

"Remember this … the very survival of the Canada we have built and, with the benefit of your sound judgment, will continue to build, is now at stake," the unsigned petition says.

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Minister says he doesn't 'expect' Trudeau to step down as MPs confront PM at caucus meeting

 
 

Minister says he doesn't 'expect' Trudeau to step down as MPs confront PM at caucus meeting

Some Liberals want Trudeau to rethink his commitment to stay on as leader

Special Coverage: Liberal MPs meet amid challenge to Trudeau's leadership
 
CBC News Network has special coverage of the Liberal caucus meeting in Ottawa, which comes amid questions about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's leadership..

Immigration Minister Marc Miller said Wednesday he doesn't expect Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will step down even as at least 24 of his own MPs are calling for his resignation as party leader.

Speaking briefly to reporters after dipping out of today's ongoing Liberal caucus meeting early, Miller said some disaffected MPs told Trudeau to his face how they're feeling.

Miller, who is a close personal friend of Trudeau, said there's been some tensions "simmering" in caucus and he "respects the hell out of my colleagues who were brave and stood up and said things to [Trudeau's] face."

"This isn't a code red situation. The prime minister can sure as hell handle the truth," Miller said.

WATCH: PM can 'handle the truth,' minister says    
 
‘Everyone was quite honest’ during Liberal caucus meeting, says Miller
 
Immigration Minister Marc Miller says Prime Minister Justin Trudeau can ‘handle the truth.’ Miller described what happened during the national caucus meeting Wednesday, saying MPs were 'telling the prime minister the truth, whether he likes to hear it or not.’

Trudeau has said he's not going anywhere and will lead the party into the next election.

Asked if Trudeau should rethink his plans, Miller said that's up to him.

"He's quite clear about his intentions and I don't expect those to change," he said.

As national polls suggest the Liberal Party is headed for defeat in the next election, some disaffected Liberal MPs are taking to the mic at their national caucus meeting to urge Trudeau to call it quits.

After nine years in government, Trudeau's popularity has plummeted. The CBC Poll Tracker shows the Conservatives have a 19-point lead over the governing Liberals, a margin that suggests dozens of Liberal MPs could be out of a job after the next vote.

The prospect of an electoral implosion has led some Liberal MPs to organize an effort to oust Trudeau as party leader.

Some Liberal MPs have been meeting in secret and signing a document committing themselves to pushing Trudeau out of the top job.

Sources speaking to Radio-Canada, CBC's French-language service, said Wednesday that 24 MPs have signed the document calling on Trudeau to go.

Three MPs have come forward publicly to say they have signed the document: Newfoundland's Ken McDonald, Prince Edward Island's Sean Casey and New Brunswick's Wayne Long.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau arrives to Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, Oct. 23, 2024. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau arrives to Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Oct. 23. In a national caucus meeting today, some disaffected Liberal MPs are expected to take the mic to urge him to call it quits. (Sean Kilpatrick/Canadian Press)

All three of those MPs are long-standing critics of Trudeau. The names of other MPs who signed the letter may also be made known today.

No one seems to know what could come out of this potentially fractious caucus meeting, or whether a letter bearing the names of disgruntled MPs will prompt Trudeau to change his mind.

Trudeau could decide to press on as leader even if he's dealing with significant discontent in his caucus. He has said repeatedly that he will lead the party into the next election.

McDonald, Casey and Long have all said that while they want Trudeau to go, they're not yet willing to leave the party and sit as Independents.

The move to oust Trudeau could lead to a seismic development in federal politics — or simply fizzle out like past efforts to challenge the prime minister.

It's not just the polls that signal trouble on the horizon for the Liberals. Liberal MPs are also anxious about Trudeau and his team losing two byelections in historically rock-solid Liberal ridings in Toronto and Montreal.

The Liberal candidate in another recent Winnipeg-area byelection posted one of the worst results for a governing party in Canadian history.

Speaking briefly to reporters before the caucus meeting, Casey said he'd like to see a secret vote to decide Trudeau's future: "I wish there was a mechanism for it, yes."

McDonald told CBC's Power & Politics Tuesday that he and other dissenters have discussed voting against the government if there's another non-confidence vote, and they don't see evidence that Trudeau and his team are taking their concerns seriously.

Asked by reporters Wednesday if he's still considering such a move, McDonald said he was, "but, right now, it's not something I would do."

"I think the caucus is nervous because of the polling — it's constantly going down and there's a lot of people who want to run again," McDonald said.

"The prime minister has to start listening to the people," he said. "You have to try and get people back onside."

Long told reporters he's part of this movement to take on Trudeau because he thinks Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is a danger to country — and can also be beat by a different Liberal leader.

"The Liberal Party is an institution in this country, it's bigger than one person, one leader and it's incumbent on us as elected officials that we put our best foot forward," he said. 

Long, who isn't running in the next election, said the party needs "a change in leadership," but that "in the end caucus majority will rule" and he will respect whatever comes from the discussion.

Ken McDonald is the Liberal MP for Conception Bay South in Newfoundland and Labrador. Ken McDonald, Liberal MP for Conception Bay South in Newfoundland and Labrador, pitched a rural carbon tax carve-out to the prime minister at the national Liberal caucus meeting in London, Ont. (Olivia Stefanovich/CBC)

Asked if he signed the document, Liberal MP Sameer Zuberi wouldn't say, but added he's encouraged it has prompted a discussion about Trudeau's future: "This is the first time we're talking about it openly and honestly."

As to whether he supports Trudeau staying on, he said, "The key thing is we're having this conversation. I support us having this conversation."

Zuberi said he would be taking the mic to address Trudeau during the meeting.

"This will be a full conversation."

On the other side, long-time Liberal MP Judy Sgro told reporters "there's no one more committed to Canadians and representing the Liberals values than Justin Trudeau," and said she will run again for the party at the next election.

Asked if she'd put Trudeau's face on her election signs, Sgro laughed and said that was up to the campaign team.

Sgro, who was first elected in 1999 and served in the Liberal caucus during the fractious Jean Chrétien-Paul Martin years, said this effort to oust Trudeau is nothing new for the party.

"It's not the first time," she said, when asked if the infighting is a distraction.

Election readiness is something that's making some MPs anxious.

The party's national campaign director quit in early September. The party took weeks to announce a replacement.

Four more of Trudeau's cabinet ministers have announced, or are expected to announce soon, that they will not run again in the next election, sources have told CBC News.

That news came after MP Pablo Rodriguez left caucus to sit as an Independent while transitioning away from federal politics to run for the Quebec Liberal Party leadership.

Still, Trudeau has support from his cabinet.

Miller has called the efforts to oust Trudeau "garbage" and said it would be better for the team to pull together to take on their main opponent: Poilievre.

WATCH | Immigration minister calls efforts to oust Trudeau 'garbage': 
 
Immigration minister calls efforts to oust Trudeau ‘garbage’
 
Immigration Minister Marc Miller says any time spent focusing on some Liberal MPs' efforts to oust Prime Minister Justin Trudeau ‘is a minute that’s not spent on Pierre Poilievre and what he wants to do to this country.’ Miller says Trudeau has the support of the ‘vast majority of caucus’ and the entirety of cabinet.

"Any minute spent on this garbage is a minute that's not spent on Pierre Poilievre and what he wants to do to this country, and I think that is very dangerous," Miller told reporters ahead of a cabinet meeting Tuesday.

"I'm a member of his cabinet and obviously we support him," said Housing Minister Sean Fraser.

Wayne Long, MP for Saint John-Rothesay speaks as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Saint John Mayor Donna Reardon look on during a visit to The Wellington, a new inclusive housing project in Saint John, N.B. on Wednesday, Jan.17,2024. Wayne Long, MP for Saint John-Rothesay, speaks as Trudeau looks on during a visit to New Brunswick in January 2024. Long has signed a document that commits Liberal MPs to pushing for Trudeau to step down. (Michael Hawkins/Canadian Press)

Echoing Miller, Fraser said it's Poilievre who's the real problem.

"We are up against somebody who is campaigning on promises to deny access to free birth control for women, who won't even get a security clearance to look into allegations about his own caucus members being engaged in foreign interference," he said, citing Poilievre's controversial decision to forgo getting the necessary credentials to review top-secret documents.

Natural Resources Minister Jonathan Wilkinson predicted this latest attempt to take Trudeau down will fail.

"At the end of the day, we will have a robust debate, we will come out with, in my view, support for the prime minister and move forward with the election," he said.

While Liberal MPs debate Trudeau's future, there's also a petition circulating that calls on caucus to force a "confidence vote" so that Liberal MPs and the party's national executive can have a chance to vote on the leadership question.

The petition says that if Trudeau fails to secure enough support in that vote, the party should pick an interim leader and launch a leadership race to be completed no later than June 1, 2025.

"Remember this … the very survival of the Canada we have built and, with the benefit of your sound judgment, will continue to build, is now at stake," the unsigned petition says.

This initiative, called "Project Code Red," was organized not by MPs but by some Young Liberal members and former staffers.

Andrew Perez, a spokesperson for the Liberals behind this petition, said this should not be interpreted as "an assault on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau" but rather as a "wake-up call for Liberals."

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

 
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THE ECONOMIC VALUES OF MARK CARNEY

Bill Wilkerson Draws on Carney Book To Make
The Case for Mental Health and Sustainability

Fri 20 Sep 2024

Mark Carney has been recruited by the Prime Minister to provide wise counsel on economic policy but some of us have already dipped into his knowledge and experience without waiting for the Liberal Caucus to absorb and act on what he has to say.

In July, Mental Health International published a paper making “the Case for Mental Health and Sustainability” and we drew on Mr. Carney’s book – ‘VALUES”- released earlier this year in which he calls for steps to “restore morality to the investment markets.”

Mr. Carney: “scandals have called the social license of finance into question” and multiple factors have contributed to the onset of “ethical drift.”

Canada must have a “lasting solution that combines public regulation with private standards to restore (to the capital markets) the accountability of individuals for their own actions, and for the system”

“This, in turn, “ Mr. Carney, the author, writes, “requires a strong, positive vision of the future” and “authentic, passionate, supportive and trustworthy values” to govern investments in Canada’s future.

In his well-received book, Mr. Carney calls for “the aspirations of society to focus not just on the rate of growth but on its direction and quality.” He calls for sustainable investing that “brings the values of the market into line with those of society.”

Mr. Carney also encourages government to recognize that people want public policy to deliver “dignity and a sense of purpose into their lives,” adding: “Measures focused only on pleasure and pain are inadequate.”

Mr. Carney makes the case for investment strategies that stimulate equality. “There is growing evidence that equality is good for growth,” he says. “More equal societies are more resilient and more likely to invest for the many not for the few.”

Mr. Carney also hammers home a fundamental proposition on corporate ownership and governance. He rejects the Milton Friedman Doctrine that shareholders own the corporation as based on a false premise and declares the fundamental purpose of modern corporate governance is to translate purpose into practice.”

Adding this: “Once it is recognized that maximizing short term shareholder returns is no longer the sole aim of the corporation, management and directors must reformulate how they measure success.” (Bill is Executive Chairman Emeritus of Mental Health International.)



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Subject: Attn Patty Borthwick Please notice that this was the only comment of mine that CBC deleted in this news article and it was about you versus Andrea AndersonMason
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https://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.com/2024/01/higgs-talks-health-affordability-in-pre.html

Friday 26 January 2024

Higgs talks health, affordability in pre-election state of the province speech

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/premier-blaine-higgs-state-province-1.7095515

Higgs talks health, affordability in pre-election state of the province speech
Premier announces new measures, makes only passing references to
Policy 713 controversy

Jacques Poitras · CBC News · Posted: Jan 26, 2024 7:06 AM AST


308 Comments


Ronald Miller
Higgs has been our premier for going on 6 years, he has been an MLA
for a decade plus including Finance Minister, he was worked in big
business. But I think going forward he should listen to his critics on
these boards, after all, they have a vast experience on large issues
such as healthcare, education, housing, etc. because they post on
here. I mean, it only makes sense.


Alison Jackson
Reply to Ronald Miller
oh Ron...


Le Wier
Reply to Ronald Miller
Higgs really should. The posts provide valuable feedback in real time
on what issues matter most to voters, and where the government is
doing well according to voters and where they need to improve.


Ronald Miller
Reply to Alison Jackson.
Hey, here is one now, that did not take long. Tell us all how to fix
all our problems, even if they countrywide. The country/province
awaits.


Gabriel Boucher
Reply to Ronald Miller
Getting rid of Higgs would be a start. He did say that he wouldn't put
a cap on rent because it's bad for business, and now he's blaming
homelessness on drug addiction. He's the one creating these issues in
the first place.


Bobby Richards
Reply to Ronald Miller
Higgs was a middle level manager. Irving is a "fire if if don't
comply" mentality. The refinery had to give $1500 to everyone to work
their shut down this fall. And now they are for sale.


Bobby Richards
Reply to Ronald Miller
If the problems are country wide then we should ignore them here in
NB. That makes sense Ron


Bobby Richards
Reply to Ronald Miller
Anderson Mason won't run for Higgs in 2024 in Fundy Isles Saint John.
She won the last 2 elections by a landslide but isn't running this
year. It will go liberal again like it was for 40 years.


MR Cain
Reply to Le Wier
The vast majority of social media posts are negative, so the value
would be a distortion of reality.


Le Wier
Reply to MR Cain
Social media is where people meet now to talk and share. the coffee
shop so to speak. Why else would politicians be on social media?


Bobby Richards
Reply to MR Cain
And that's why good people will not run for govt


MR Cain
Reply to Le Wier
Is this not a comment section where people are posting? Hopefully the
politicians are not making decisions based upon social media posts.


Le Wier
Reply to MR Cain
One would hope, but it seems like one of the few places nowadays to
meet, communicate, and discuss. I am thinking more about Facebook,
Twitter etc. Political parties and politicians have these social media
accounts to meet their voters without having to actually meet
physically with their voters. It’s an easy way to reach a vast number
of voters at one time and get feedback. It has proven especially
effective with young voters. Long gone are the days of stopping to
chat with your MLA downtown or their office. Most have an assistant
that answers the phone for them a few hours a week, and it is the
assistant that the voter/constituent communicates with. It is the MLAs
assistant that decides if the constituent/voter concerns or issues are
worthwhile to pass on to the MLA. It is a rarity if the MLA will speak
to a constituent now.


Ronald Miller
Reply to Gabriel Boucher
We did have a cap, and we have rent controls in place. Drug addiction
is part of the reason for homelessness, of course our PM is a big part
of it also.


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David Amos
Reply to Bobby Richards
I like the liberal lady running there


On 1/25/24, David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com> wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Dave Gouthro <dave.gouthro@nbliberal.ca>
> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 11:26:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: RE Liberal MP Ken McDonald wants leadership review, says
> there’s ‘hatred’ for Trudeau in Atlantic Canada
> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
>
> David thank you for sharing I was not aware of this in the news feed - a
> very interesting watch.
>
> I do wish the federal Liberals luck in their next election but to be clear
> I am running as a Liberal in the New Brunswick provincial election. I would
> define myself as someone who is centre-right - I am not a Trudeau Liberal I
> am an Albert County New Brunswick Liberal.
>
> If you see this story build in the news media feel free to continue to
> share with me it seems like a situation that may evolve!
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:00 AM David Amos
> <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555270003856
>>
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>> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:14:55 -0400
>> Subject: RE Liberal MP Ken McDonald wants leadership review, says
>> there’s ‘hatred’ for Trudeau in Atlantic Canada
>> To: Ken.McDonald@parl.gc.ca
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZTKJhww3Es&ab_channel=CBCNews
>>
>>  Liberal MP says Trudeau should face leadership review | Power & Politics
>> CBC News
>> 3.44M subscribers
>> 17,728 views  Jan 24, 2024
>> Liberal MP Ken McDonald says he thinks it's time for his party to
>> consider a leadership review of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The
>> Newfoundland MP stopped short of saying Trudeau should step down but
>> did say he would like to see some sort of review organized within the
>> party. The Power Panel weighs in on McDonald's comments.
>>
>>
>> 380 Comments
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>> @davidamos7114
>> Hmmmm
>>
>>
>> https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2303350339513
>>
>> Liberal MP Ken McDonald wants leadership review, says there’s ‘hatred’
>> for Trudeau in Atlantic Canada
>>
>>     16 hours agoNewsDuration 3:34
>>
>> While he stopped short of saying the prime minister should step down,
>> Liberal MP Ken McDonald — who represents the Avalon riding — tells
>> Radio-Canada’s Laurence Martin a change is needed and he anticipates
>> the Conservatives making major inroads in the Atlantic provinces.
>> McDonald has been on the outs with his Liberal party before, voting
>> with the Conservatives on a motion to abolish carbon pricing.
>>
>>
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>> Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2023 03:41:26 +0000
>> Subject: Automatic reply: In 2004 I wished Broadbent good luck as I
>> ran against him and his cohorts. However it did not take long for me
>> to discover my respect for him was misplaced.
>> To: David Amos <david.raymond.amos333@gmail.com>
>>
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August 26, 2021

A Milestone. Mental Health as a Canadian Election Issue


Canada’s national newspaper, the Globe and Mail, today declared ‘mental health’ a surprise election issue  in Canada’s current federal campaign.


A first.

And to everyone who has worked hard in whatever capacity to “normalize” our ability to discuss, learn about and understand that mental health problems are part of the human experience, I say bravo to all of you.

The three major national parties all claim mental health as a priority. This means it should stay high on the leader board no matter the result of the vote.

That said, we need, all of us, to be very careful not to interpret a federal political embrace of mental health in a political contest to mean the leader of the next Government will have a clear idea about what spending more money on mental health actually means.

The point is this: more money will not solve with what’s fundamentally wrong with mental health care in Canada.

We will need a new, more informed, more compassionate approach as to reining-in the effects of what mental health conditions across Canadian life.

We will need a clearer picture of how so-called ‘general hospitals’ are accredited to provide psychiatric services through a dedicated unit and how emergency services are accredited to deliver informed mental health care under those circumstances.

I will comment on this in the next few days.

Thanks, Bill



July 2, 2021

Mental Health International’s Bill Wilkerson, appeals to New Brunswick Premier Blaine Higgs to Order Independent investigation of Saint John Regional Hospital.


Posted below is a letter by Bill Wilkerson to Premier Higgs of New Brunswick asking for a provincial investigation into the suicide death of a patient in the psychiatric care of Saint John Regional Hospital last December.


Also, posted is a news release put out today. Wilkerson underscores that the Saint John Hospital, operated by Horizon Health Network, also mentioned, has itself found deficiencies in the operation of its psychiatric unit. New Brunswick has a suicide rate higher than the national average, it was the highest among the ten provinces as recently as 2016, and in light of this, “hospitals in that province should be on alert not asleep at the switch.”


Bill is encouraging general hospitals that provide “side bar” psychiatric care in Canada to audit the the status of their practices to protect in-patients from harming themselves, especially those on suicide watch as in the New Brunswick case.


July 2, 2021

To:        Honourable Blaine Higgs, Premier of New Brunswick
From:   Bill Wilkerson, LL. D. (Hon)


Re: Horizon Health Network’, Patricia Borthwick and her daughter’s death in the care of Saint John Regional Hospital


Premier, on April 28, you kindly wrote me to advise that that you are “listening and taking action” with respect to our concerns as to how Horizon Health failed to respond in a courteous, compassionate and timely manner to the questions for information posed by Patricia Borthwick, a resident of Utopia, N.B., pursuant to the death by suicide of her daughter while in the care of Saint John Regional Hospital. Your letter was in reply to mine of April 6, 2021.  

As you may recall, I am a national and international mental health advocate and proponent of suicide prevention, I am advising Patty on a pro bono, personal basis as I do from time to time in support of families contending with mental health crisis and, frequently, the liability-aware nature of how health care institutions communicate with families of patients.

In the matter of Patty’s daughter, the first response she got from the regional hospital person is that they couldn’t answer her questions because of privacy rules. The privacy of her deceased daughter. This absurdity triggered my serious concern about the competence and integrity of this hospital relative to psychiatric care.

True to form, through its Vice-President, Quality and Patient-Centered Care – an ironic ‘corporate title’ for the executive corresponding with Patty in  this matter – Horizon sent a June 22nd letter to Patty, the salutation referencing ‘”Ms. Patricia Borthwick,’ a clear  signal of a form letter, in which they give this grieving mother a powerfully-arrogant and detailed explanation of the legal reasons they cannot respond to her mother’s questions about her daughter’s violent death.

For one thing, they differentiate between the mother of the deceased young woman and who purportedly qualifies as a “personal representative” of Hillary’s estate with or without a will. Superbly ironic, since the hospital accepted Patty as sufficiently “personal” and sufficiently “representative” to be the source of next-of-kin permission to remove her daughter from life support.

But the organization sees her as too distant to qualify for information that would be otherwise and legally available to some “personal representative.” This legalistic, bureaucratic, fearful (liability concerns, no doubt) and cruel letter merely sustains the tone and demeanour of how the hospital and Horizon have treated this woman and her grieving family.

On March 30, 2021, the Minister of Health said in a letter to Patty that “in light of these tragic events, I have directed the Department of Health staff and the regional health authorities to address crisis care in emergency departments and in communities. Furthermore, I have asked for recommendations within 30 days.”

The Minister also said “I have asked the Executive Director of the Addiction and Mental Health Branch at the Department of Health, Annie Pellerin, to ensure that someone from the Department reaches out to you directly.”  I can tell you, despite the Minister’s promise, Patricia Borthwick heard from no-one.

Therefore, six months after Hillary’s death and several more months of trying to get information about her daughter’s death plus two months after the Minister of Health’s letter to Patty, she received a MAY 21ST letter from Horizon’s Vice-President of Community, Jean Daigle in which she is advised that:

“The following two recommendations were approved by our quality-of-care committee and action plans are being developed for their implementation.” That is, the hospital will:
 

  1. “Investigate procuring ligature resistant door frames, designs or door design for inpatient psychiatry units.”
  2. ”Investigate the establishment of a Crisis Stabilization Unit for increased structure and observation for patients in crisis requiring short-term intervention.”


Horizon Admission and Revelation Justifies Provincial Supervision

This is a revelation: the hospital knows that certain deficiencies likely contributed to Hillary’s death and, to the outside observer, these deficiencies seem so fundamental, so basic to the safety of psychiatric services as to warrant a provincial investigation into Horizon’s capacity to provide such services.  I encourage you, Premier, to consider putting Saint John Regional under supervision,

Further, neither the hospital management nor Horizon should be left to their own devices in carrying out the “investigations” of which Daigle speaks. I would encourage you to oversee these inquiries and to audit the Horizon Health Network ‘s competence and informativeness in managing psychiatric crisis.

Suicide Risk for the Family

It seems entirely plausible that Horizon and the Saint John Regional Hospital management – given the distant and evasive manner in which they have treated Patty Borthwick – is unaware that high on the list of suicide risk factors is losing to suicide a family member or a person close to you. The frustration generated by their behaviour compounds such a risk

Suicide Risk for the Province

As of 2012, as you also know, New Brunswick had the highest ‘per population’ rate of suicides among Canada’s ten provinces and was the 6th worst jurisdiction in the world after Japan, Belgium, Finland, France and Austria. New Brunswick also experiences high rates of domestic violence.

Suicide Prevention: A Priority in New Brunswick?

Under these circumstances, one would presume that suicide prevention and suicidal crisis management would be at the top of the list in all mental health clinics and services in New Brunswick but especially acute care general hospitals which provide side-bar psychiatric care. 

At the very least, I would question whether you can rely on the Saint John Regional Hospital and other Horizon facilities to master these requirements based on this experience and perhaps other incidents of which I have become aware.

The number of suicides in N.B. have topped the national average consistently, nearly 16 deaths per 100,000 persons at its worst, based on data I have seen, thus establishing your otherwise lovely province as a world-scale suicide capital.

And now, years after the province emerged as a leading jurisdiction in suicide incidence, we have a major urban hospital and health management company “investigating” whether the basics of door design and observational capacity are suitable for their psychiatric wing.

This certainly supports the Minister of Health’s directive for a review of emergency psychiatric services. I understand the Minister announced a strategy but, again, no one – zero – reached out to Patty despite the Minister’s promise they would do so.

Therefore, sir, I strongly recommend – and will be making a public statement along these lines -- that you convene an investigation into the policies, practices, training and competencies of the Saint John Regional Hospital in their handling of this particular suicide and the tragic circumstances surrounding it.

I submit, sir, that New Brunswick could lead Canada toward an effective, solid model of suicide prevention. This is not beyond reach. 

A personal note if I may: it would be very nice – thoughtful and welcomed – if you were to call Patricia Borthwick at 506-755-0881. The family would welcome hearing that you are taking steps so that Hillary will not have died in vain, that her death will bring about changes that will save the lives of others.

Meanwhile, Patty has just received the coroner’s report officially advising that her daughter’s death was asphyxiation at her own hand. This is, on one level, a step toward closure. On another, it is the cold re-confirmation that her daughter is never coming home.

Best Regards,

Bill Wilkerson, LL. D. (Hon) 

Executive Chairman, Mental Health International

001-905-885-1751

bill.wilkerson@mentalhealthiinternational.ca

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Mental Health International - This Website is a Free Public Resource
Introducing The Library of the Global Business and Economic Roundtable on Addiction and Mental Health
Special Link To The European Business Leadership Forum To Target The Impact of Depression in the Workplace

​’THE TARGET CAMPAIGN'
Bill Wilkerson, Chairman
The  non-profit company we call Mental Health International (MHI) was founded in 2013 by my colleague, Joseph Ricciuti and myself. This website contains strategies and analyses we have produced as we work across borders in North America and Europe.   

This site is a resource for anyone with an interest in issues relating to business, the economy and brain health and specifically those brain-based, body-wide conditions labelled as mental disorders. This site, therefore, is not designed for interaction. It is a free resource.    

​Further, this site contains current/contemporary information but also the Official Library of the Global Business and Economic Roundtable on Addiction and Mental Health founded in 1998 and  closed in 2011. Mental Health International is the Roundtable’s successor and the Library provides volumes of information, while dated, is still relevant to the cause.    

​It should be understood that MHI - like the Roundtable - is not a large organization with lots of staff. It is the mirror opposite of that. So I will continue to respond as best I can to inquiries and requests, but be assured, my effort in this regard will be imperfect.   

​As to the design of this site, we have abandoned completely all the standard headings and segment titles that web sites use today so visitors will understand this is a resource and not an interactive site. 

Meanwhile, I can be reached at bill.wilkerson@mentalhealthinternational.ca - 905-885-1751. That said, given my European  work and other matters, my availability is simply more limited than before.

Bill Wilkerson
Executive Chairman,Mental Health International


 
 
 
 
 
 

Why Bill Wilkerson battles to cure mental illness

Mental illness is the fastest-growing cause of disability, lost time and productivity in the workplace

Bill Wilkerson put depression on Canada’s corporate radar more than a decade ago, when talking about mental illness was taboo – even though it was the fastest-growing cause of disability, lost time and productivity in the workplace.

Now, the self-appointed mental health advocate has been tapped to do the same in Europe, but this time he intends to mobilize business and science in a new international partnership to find a cure for what he calls the “disease of our times.”

“I wish I was doing this at 41 and not 72,” said Wilkerson. “We are going to bring so many changes and I will die before the work is done. But we are at a critical stage where we can bring science and workplaces in Europe and North America together, and ultimately internationally, and stop disablement and pre-mature death.”

One in five of us will suffer from depression in any given year. It’s the trigger for 90 per cent of the 4,000 suicides in Canada this year and is reducing life expectancy up to 25 years – more than smoking.

This week is Mental Illness Awareness Week, organized by the Canadian Alliance on Mental Illness and Mental Health. The broad coalition of care providers, and organizations representing those with mental illnesses, has various events planned, including lobbying MPs to improve access to care, services and other support for mental illness.

Wilkerson himself is devoted to the cause, works for no one and leaves the fund-raising to the others. He targets CEOs, not middle managers, and wants their time, attention and influence, not their money. He put in his own time to start the Global Business and Economic Roundtable on Addiction and Mental Health and for most of the decade it operated, never drew a salary. Great West Life insurance company chipped in by giving the Roundtable an office, and later created the Centre for Mental Health in the Workplace.

Michael Wilson, a former diplomat and politician and now chairman of Barclays Capital, has been Wilkerson’s closest ally since the two founded the Roundtable. He affectionately calls him “incorrigible.” He says Wilkerson is aggressive, comfortable in front of audiences, relaxed with the media, and thinks well on his feet.

“People like him, enjoy being him and he is very effective … He does his homework. It’s not by the seats of the pants. He works very hard at it,” said Wilson.

Wilkerson has received many awards for his work – including the special recognition award that Canadian Psychiatric Association’s also gave to former senator Romeo Dallaire – and got to know celebrities who made mental illness their cause, such as Patrick Kennedy, son of former senator Ted Kennedy, and his family; as well as actor Glenn Close, who publicly speaks about the stigma of such illnesses.

So who is Wilkerson? Born in Niagara Falls, he was expelled from high school in Grade 12 and quickly landed on his feet as a court reporter for the Welland Evening Tribune. He says “blind luck has been a dandy friend ever since.”

By his early-20s, Wilkerson was drawn to politics and wrote speeches for the fiery Liberal cabinet minister Judy LaMarsh, when she was secretary of state in charge of Canada’s Centennial celebrations in 1967. He then became executive assistant for energy minister J.J. Greene.

At 29, he joined the communications team of the International Telephone and Telegraph (ITT) and was there during the political chaos of ITT’s involvement in the 1973 Chilean coup that overthrew the democratically elected president Salvador Allende, setting the stage for the rise of Allende’s military chief, Augusto Pinochet. ITT, which owned the Chilean telephone company, was at the centre of the storm over the U.S. alleged involvement in the overthrow.

After seven years at ITT, Wilkerson followed with stints in communications at CBC – where he met his wife Olga who is now a fellow mental health advocate – and the Royal Bank before he came back to the political arena. This time he was campaign manager and chief of staff to Toronto mayor Art Eggleton, who had some big development projects on his plate: the Convention Centre, Skydome, the CBC Broadcasting Centre.

One of Wilkerson’s hottest files was to find a new home for the Hockey Hall of Fame. That introduced him to NHL president John Ziegler, beginning a five-year association with Ziegler and the NHL board of governors as a principal adviser.

By 1992, Ziegler offered Wilkerson his dream job, a senior executive position in the NHL. But when Ziegler lost his own position, the promised executive job disappeared.

His consulting prowess in sport took Wilkerson to the Toronto Blue Jays and the Canadian Football League as an adviser. In 2004, he was recruited as the “crisis” CEO of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra and, along with chairman Bob Rae, rescued the symphony from near collapse.

But it was his perch as the transitional chief executive of Liberty Health, having just taken over Ontario Blue Cross, that steered him into mental health.

He noticed patterns in drug use, doctors’ visits and time off work. Employees were absent more and using drugs to treat vague maladies, such as pain and sleeplessness, especially those working full-time. He suspected depression.

When he left Liberty, one of his clients, Homewood Health Centre, an addiction and mental-illness centre, asked him to examine the rising rates of depression.

Wilkerson began tracking the latest literature and studies, including Harvard’s Global Burden of Disease study, which identified the link between heart disease and depression and projected they would be the leading causes of work years lost through disability and premature death by 2020.

Wilkerson was among the first to “connect the dots” – that if disability hits the working population the hardest, then business faced a major issue of productive capacity and lost buying power. He co-wrote the book “Mindsets: The Ultimate Productivity Weapon,” which was praised in mental health circles as a milestone.

That prompted the first meeting of executives to talk about depression and work, chaired by former Ontario premier Bill Davis. The concept of the roundtable on addiction and mental health was born. That’s when Wilson said Wilkerson called him about getting involved. Wilson agreed.

Two weeks later, a press release crossed Wilson’s desk announcing he was the Roundtable’s chairman.

“When I asked him what the hell this was about, he said that is the way I do things sometimes, I do them and apologize later,” Wilson said.

Fifteen years later, Wilkerson was ready to retire when scientists and business leaders in Europe asked him to share with them his experience on targeting depression in the workplace.

He is also doing something in Europe that he didn’t do before: building a funded operation that will continue the campaign around the world, said Wilson.

“There is only one Bill Wilkerson, for better or for worse, and what he seems to be building in Europe is what we didn’t do here, and that is build an organization that will continue on after Bill Wilkerson of the time packs it in,” Wilson said.

kmay@ottawacitizen.com

 
 
 
 
 
 

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