Thursday 29 December 2016
The Crown Corp CBC obviously still supports Rob Moore of Fundy Royal
For the public record I will post all the comments of mine that CBC blocked and all the ones they did not
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rob-moore-conservative-1.3913897
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From: maxime.bernier@parl.gc.ca
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:32:30 +0000
Subject: Réponse automatique : A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Bonjour,
Veuillez prendre note que le bureau sera fermé jusqu'au 9 janvier 2017.
Nous en profitons pour vous souhaiter un joyeux Noël qui vous comblera de joie et de bonheur ainsi qu'une merveilleuse année 2017.
Joyeuses Fêtes à toutes et tous!
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From: "Gallant, Premier Brian (PO/CPM)"
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:32:46 +0000
Subject: RE: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: David Amos
Thank you for writing to the Premier of New Brunswick. Please be advised that our office is closed and we will be returning on January 3, 2017. Your email will be reviewed and if a response is requested, it will be forthcoming.
Happy Holidays!
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Joyeuses Fêtes!
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From: Matt.DeCourcey@parl.gc.ca
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:32:31 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: motomaniac333@gmail.com
Thank you for emailing the office of Matt DeCourcey, MP. Please be advised that the office is closed for the holiday season until January 3rd, at which time all emails will be reviewed. In the event of an emergency, please leave a voicemail at 506-452-4110. Thank you and Happy Holidays.
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From: "Jensen, Jan"
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:32:28 +0000
Subject: Automatic reply: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: David Amos
I will be out of the office until Tuesday, January 3, 2017 and I will not be checking my voice mail or email during that time. If you require immediate assistance, please contact my assistant at (902) 426 1798.
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Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 13:32:47 +0000
Subject: Re: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
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From: Dale Morgan
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 08:32:36 -0500
Subject: Re: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: David Amos
I am on vacation returning December 28th. STaff Jeff JOHNSTON and Inspector Peter KIRCHBERGER will be available in my absence. I will have my cell if you need me.
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From: David Amos
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 09:32:26 -0400
Subject: A wicked war of words with CBC is going on right now about the Conservative critc Rob Moore whom I ran against twice in Fundy Royal
To: "David.Coon" , "randy.mckeen" , "blaine.higgs" , info , "ht.lacroix" , "Melanie.Joly" , "Alex.Johnston" , "sylvie.gadoury" , mcu , pm , premier , david , "david.eidt" , BrianThomasMacdonald , "rona.ambrose" , "maxime.bernier" , oldmaison , andre , Brian Ruhe , "brian.gallant" , "leanne.murray" , "martin.gaudet" , "Gilles.Moreau" , "Gilles.Blinn" , GillesLee
Cc: David Amos , "Dale.Morgan" , "Alaina.Lockhart" , "Matt.DeCourcey" , leader , "elizabeth.may" , MulcaT , "PETER.MACKAY" , "Marc.Litt" , "jan.jensen" , "jill.chisholm"
CBC's work
Right now
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/rob-moore-conservative-1.3913897
and last year
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
and My work right now
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/the-crown-corp-cbc-obviously-still.html
and last year
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/09/v-behaviorurldefaultvmlo.html
At least Roger TV acted ethically during the last election
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local
Campaign, Rogers TV
Rogers tv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
and so did Judge Richard Bell in Federal Court two months later
https://archive.org/details/BahHumbug
> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/12/appeal-of-order-of-mr-prothonotary.html
>
> AFFIDAVIT OF THE PLAINTIFF, DAVID RAYMOND AMOS
>
> "I, David Raymond Amos of Apohaqui, New Brunswick MAKE OATH AND SAY:
>
> Hereto attached to this document as Exhibit A is a CD which is a
> true copy of an American police surveillance wiretap tape entitled
> 139."
>
>
> http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2015/12/federal-court-file-no-t-1557-15.html
>
> NOTICE OF OPPOSITION OF THE MOTION TO DISMISS
>
> Within Paragragh 32 the following is clearly stated
>
>
> 32 The Plaintiff states that it is not plain and obvious that his
> claim cannot succeed. It is only the Deputy Attorney General’s stated
> opinion without revealing all the facts to Federal Court. For instance
> while the Plaintiff was running in the election of the 42nd Parliament
> he sent many emails to many people containing a true copy of this
> Statement of his Claim. The CROWN should not deny that Peter MacKay
> the outgoing Attorney General, his Deputy Minister William Pentney and
> the local Justice Dept lawyer David Hansen received the emails found
> below during the time of the election of the 42nd Parliament. The
> entire text of the September 23rd, 2015 email (with some minor
> spelling errors corrected) is as follows:
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: David Amos
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 09:35:01 -0400
> Subject: RE My complaint against the CROWN in Federal Court Attn David
> Hansen and Peter MacKay If you planning to submit a motion for a
> publication ban on my complaint trust that you dudes are way past too late
> To: David.Hansen@justice.gc.ca, "peter.mackay" , "peacock.kurt" , "mclaughlin.heather" ,
> "david.akin" , "robert.frater" , paul.riley@ppsc-sppc.gc.ca,
> greg@gregdelbigio.com, joyce.dewitt-vanoosten@gov.bc.ca,
> joan.barrett@ontario.ca, jean-vincent.lacroix@gouv.qc.ca,
> peter.rogers@mcinnescooper.com, mfeder@mccarthy.ca, mjamal@osler.com
> Cc: David Amos , gopublic , Whistleblower
>
> https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/14439/index.do
>
> http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/WebDocuments-DocumentsWeb/35072/FM030_Respondent_Attorney-General-of-Canada-on-Behalf-of-the-United-States-of-America.pdf
>
> http://thedavidamosrant.blogspot.ca/2013/10/re-glen-greenwald-and-brazilian.html
>
> I repeat what the Hell do I do with the Yankee wiretap tapes sell
> them on Ebay or listen to them and argue them with you dudes in
> Federal Court?
>
> Petey Baby loses all parliamentary privileges in less than a month but
> he still suposed to be an ethical officer of the Court CORRECT?
>
> Veritas Vincit
> David Raymond Amos
> 902 800 0369
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Amos
> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:32:30 -0400
> Subject: Andre meet Biil Csapo of Occupy Wall St He is a decent fellow
> who can be reached at (516) 708-4777 Perhaps you two should talk ASAP
> To: wcsapo
> Cc: occupyfredericton
>
> From: David Amos
> Subject: Your friends in Corridor or the Potash Corp or Bruce Northrup
> or the RCMP should have told you about this stuff not I
> To: "khalid" , "Wayne.Lang" , "bruce.northrup@gnb.ca" , "oldmaison@yahoo.com" ,
> "thenewbrunswicker" , "chiefape" , "danfour" , "evelyngreene" , "Barry.MacKnight" ,
> "tom_alexander"
> Cc: "thepurplevioletpress" , "maritime_malaise"
> Date: Tuesday, November 15, 2011, 4:16 PM
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/PoliceSurveilanceWiretapTape139
>
> http://www.archive.org/details/FedsUsTreasuryDeptRcmpEtc
>
> http://davidamos.blogspot.com/
>
> FEDERAL EXPRES February 7, 2006
> Senator Arlen Specter
> United States Senate
> Committee on the Judiciary
> 224 Dirksen Senate Office Building
> Washington, DC 20510
>
> Dear Mr. Specter:
>
> I have been asked to forward the enclosed tapes to you from a man
> named, David Amos, a Canadian citizen, in connection with the matters
> raised in the attached letter. Mr. Amos has represented to me that
> these are illegal FBI wire tap tapes. I believe Mr. Amos has been in
> contact with you about this previously.
>
> Very truly yours,
> Barry A. Bachrach
> Direct telephone: (508) 926-3403
> Direct facsimile: (508) 929-3003
> Email: bbachrach@bowditch.com
>
>
> ---------- Original message ----------
> From: David Amos
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:32:25 -0400
> Subject: RE Federal Court File no T-1557-15 It appears that I had to
> wait until their lawyer took a vacation before the Federal Court would
> acknowledge my emails Go Figure EH?
> To: "hon.melanie.joly", sylvie.gadoury@radio-canada.ca, sebastien.dubois-jur@radio-canada.ca,
> "blaine.higgs" , "brian.t.macdonald", walter.robinson@globe.com, "ht.lacroix", "dan.ciraco" ,
> jsaltzman@globe.com, washington field ,"Gilles.Moreau" , GillesLee, oldmaison ,
> wrogersjr@therogerslawfirm.com, Craig Munroe ,andrewjdouglas , pfeiffer@globe.com,
> rezendes@globe.com, mark@catholicherald.co.uk,
> ArchbishopSean@rcab.org, Robert_Kickham@rcab.org, "john.gamblin", "john.green" , andre ,
> sallybrooks25 ,"roger.l.brown" , "Leanne.Fitch", "david.fraser", david ,"martine.turcotte" ,
> nmoore , w5 , Whistleblower , gopublic , investigations , iteam , "Karen.McCrimmon.c1"
> , Karine Fortin , "info@pco-bcp.gc.ca" , info , marcel.lacoursiere@radio-canada.ca,
> stephanie.malo@radio-canada.ca, christophe.masse@radio-canada.ca,
> genevieve.mcsween@radio-canada.ca, caroline.ouellet@radio-canada.ca,
> julie.patry@radio-canada.ca, marie.pedneault@radio-canada.ca, "anne-julie.perrault" ,
> linda.facchin@radio-canada.ca, premier , marie-claude.ferland@radio-canada.ca,
> judith.harvie@radio-canada.ca, "lou.lafleur" , "martin.gaudet" , "Wayne.Gallant" ,
> "bruce.northrup", markandcaroline , "hugh.flemming" , "mike.obrien" , woodsideb
> , Carey.Smith@accreon.com, Eric.Demers@accreon.com, "David.Coon" , "victor.boudreau" ,
> "Melanie.Joly" , "ed.pilkington" , newsroom , news , news , news-tips , "justin.trudeau.a1"
> , lise.henrie@cas-satj.gc.ca, "daniel.gosselin" , MulcaT , Chantal.Carbonneau@cas-satj.gc.ca,
> "elizabeth.may" , "rona.ambrose.A1" , aboutilier , information@fca-caf.gc.ca,
> media-fca@fca-caf.gc.ca, "Jody.Wilson-Raybould.a1" , mcu, "bill.pentney" ,
> "Bill.Blair.a1" , "david.hansen", "jan.jensen" , "jill.chisholm" , "bob.paulson" ,
> "Jonathan.Vance" , nbpc , info@fja-cmf.gc.ca, william.brooks@fja-cmf.gc.ca,
> "Jacques.Poitras" , "Robert. Jones" , "steve.murphy" , "richard.tardif" , info ,
> oic-ddc@pco-bcp.gc.ca, "Michael.Wernick" , Raymond.Rivet@pco-bcp.gc.ca,
> robyn@mediastyle.ca, news919 ,
lgunter> , Ezra , brian> , "stephen.harper.a1" ,
> "Alaina.Lockhart.c1"> , Gerald.Butts@pmo-cpm.gc.ca,>
Katie.Telford@pmo-cpm.gc.ca,
> Cameron.Ahmad@pmo-cpm.gc.ca>
> Cc: David
Amos , pm ,> Andrew.Baumberg@cas-satj.gc.ca,
clerkship-clericature@cas-satj.gc.ca
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded
message ----------
From: "Henrie, Lise"
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2016
08:22:45 -0400
> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: RE Federal Court
File no T-1557-15
> Well at least the fancy French lawyer Mélanie Joly
whom you appointed
> to be the political boss of CBC can never claim
that she was not fully
> informed N'esy Pas PM Trudeau "The
Younger"???
> To: David Amos
>
> Bonjour/Hello!
> I'm away
until March 29th. If this is urgent, please contact Andrew
> Baumberg
at 613-947-3177 from March 18 to 23, and Witold Tymowski at
>
613-995-4547 on March 24.
> ***
> Veuillez noter que je serai
absente jusqu'au 29 mars. Si c'est
> urgent, veuillez communiquer
avec Andrew Baumberg au 613.947.3177 du
> 18 au 23 mars, et avec
Witold Tymowski au 613.995.4547 le 24 mars.
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A critic without a seat: Opposition parties forced to get creative on East Coast
Ex-Fundy Royal Tory MP Rob Moore has been hired by the federal party to be a critic for Atlantic Canada
The Canadian Press
Posted: Dec 28, 2016 10:30 AM AT
Former Fundy Royal-Conservative MP Rob Moore has been
appointed as the Conservative critic for Atlantic Canada. Opposition
parties have had to be creative in finding ways to represent the region
after failing to win any seats in the 2015 election. (CBC)
Based in Saint John, he often travels to Ottawa to attend meetings of the Tory caucus and shadow cabinet.
He keeps a close watch on issues affecting Atlantic Canadians, and he often meets with business people and conducts media interviews.
But Moore is no ordinary politician. In fact, he isn't even a member of Parliament, even though he's the Conservative critic for Atlantic Canada.
- 14 Conservative leadership candidates debate in Moncton
- Justin Trudeau's Liberal sweep unprecedented in New Brunswick
- Atlantic Canada Liberal sweep means strong voice in Justin Trudeau's Ottawa
Like every other Conservative and New Democrat MP in the region, he was tossed out of office on Oct. 19 when Justin Trudeau's Liberals won all 32 seats spread across the four provinces.
"The Atlantic region is hugely important to our party," said Moore.
"With the Liberals having a complete monopoly on the ridings … we don't have a lot of constructive debate going on. I think [the Liberals] just look at that big block of red and they say, 'We can take that region for granted."'
No opposition MPs in Atlantic Canada
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals won all 32 seats in Atlantic Canada in the 2015 election. (Jim Young/Reuters)
While it's true the Conservatives and New Democrats in Atlantic Canada were humbled by voters' wholesale rejection of the parties last year, both opposition parties are already rebuilding for the next election.
The NDP, for example, has appointed Quebec MP Guy Caron to be their Atlantic watchdog — his eastern Quebec riding is adjacent to northwestern New Brunswick.
"We're staying appraised of what is going on," said Caron.
"The issues of my riding are issues of Atlantic Canada."
Caron said forestry, fisheries and employment insurance are among the common themes, and he's quick to add that he has an extra assistant in Ottawa to help him with the Atlantic file.
Critic assignments
Quebec NDP MP Guy Caron has been appointed as his party's watchdog for Atlantic Canada. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
For example, Conservative MP Shannon Stubbs, who represents a riding in northern Alberta, has been paired with the riding of Cumberland-Colchester, which is in northern Nova Scotia.
"It's the first time we've ever done it," said interim Conservative leader Rona Ambrose, noting the party borrowed the idea from provincial Conservatives in Alberta and Manitoba.
"We really want to earn back the trust of Atlantic Canadians," Ambrose said.
"We think that they need a voice in opposition, and we want to be that voice ... With four Liberal premiers and 32 Liberal MPs, we worry that the region will be taken for granted."
Voice of opposition
Based in Saint John, Moore often travels to
Ottawa to attend meetings of the Tory caucus. Moore said the region is
already being taken for granted by the Liberal government.
As proof, he cites the apparent lack of Liberal enthusiasm for the Energy East pipeline project, which would bring about 1.1 million barrels of oil per day from Alberta and Saskatchewan to the marine terminal Saint John, if it's approved.
And he's quick to highlight the backlash that ensued in August when Trudeau would not commit to replacing a retiring Supreme Court of Canada justice from Nova Scotia with someone from the Atlantic region, in effect ignoring a 140-year-old constitutional convention.
- Trudeau nominates Newfoundlander Malcolm Rowe to Supreme Court
- MPs unanimously support regional representation for Supreme Court
- Atlantic Canada lawyers challenge Trudeau on changes to Supreme Court appointment process
Amid protest from Atlantic defence lawyers and academics, Trudeau stuck with the convention in October when he appointed a Newfoundlander to the bench — a first for that province.
"These guys had no intention of appointing someone from Atlantic Canada," Ambrose said, adding that Tory MPs from across the country rallied behind the cause.
"They got up [in the Commons] and they asked question after question to put pressure on the Liberals. In the end, we won ... What it showed was that it matters to have an opposition."
Peter McKenna, a political science professor, however, said it's unlikely the Tories' objections registered with the governing Liberals.
"The Liberals have got a majority government," said McKenna, chairman of the political science department at the University of Prince Edward Island.
"They don't have to worry about what the Conservatives say right now. The push-back was internal, within the Liberal party ranks, and from the provincial premiers."
Dissent is rare
Liberal Sean Fraser, the MP for Central Nova,
broke from the party line in September over the issue of Supreme Court
justices. (CBC)
Fraser, the MP for Central Nova, told the Commons he supported the idea of having an Atlantic Canadian justice on the top court.
McKenna suggested each of the four Liberal premiers in the region also made their views known: "They ... said, 'No, that's not going to fly."'
McKenna said it's also worth noting the NDP and the Tories aren't the only ones struggling for traction on the East Coast.
With so many Liberals in the region, some backbenchers have virtually disappeared since the general election in October 2015, he said.
"The problem is that if you're not in the cabinet, it's difficult to get profile," McKenna said.
"For some of these rookie MPs, who came in on the coattails of Justin Trudeau, it's hard to carve out a name on the national stage."
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David Sampson
It would be insulting to
those who supported the older version of the Conservative Party to use
the moniker " Tory " when describing this current version of the Western
Canada Fundamentalist Reform Party. " Tories" are " Progressive". This
current version are merely a regional right wing fringe group.
David Raymond Amos
@David Sampson True I
explained that to many people as I ran against this aptly named
"Reform" lawyer twice yet CBC will never admit that I did.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Arved Sandstrom
@Robin Blair - the real
Tories have always had support. At provincial levels PCs are understood
to be PCs. It's at the federal level that things went south since 2003.
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David Raymond Amos
@Arved Sandstrom Semper Fi EH? You must be confused as to whose side you are on sometimes.
Well trust that MacKay and I are far from done with our legal battles on both sides of the 49th. Here is just one example Federal Court File No T-1557-15.
BTW I uphold the Motto of my brothers and forefathers which is Veritas Vincit.
Well trust that MacKay and I are far from done with our legal battles on both sides of the 49th. Here is just one example Federal Court File No T-1557-15.
BTW I uphold the Motto of my brothers and forefathers which is Veritas Vincit.
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Now that was an interesting comment for your minions within CBC to block N'esy Pas Hubby Lacroix?
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos FYI The aptly named lawyer Rob Moore is yapping on CBC right now while CBC continues to block me
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/programs/informationmorningfredericton
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/programs/informationmorningfredericton
Alex Forbes
@David Sampson What's wrong with being right-wing? I would rather have more freedom than more government spending.
David Raymond Amos
@Alex Forbes I agree
Although I have always ran as an Independent I have also readily admitted to the media and during many debates that I think like the PCs my forefathers supported.
However that Party has gone the way of the Doo Doo Bird no thanks to lawyers such as Rob Moore and Peter MacKay and their old boss whats his name?
Although I have always ran as an Independent I have also readily admitted to the media and during many debates that I think like the PCs my forefathers supported.
However that Party has gone the way of the Doo Doo Bird no thanks to lawyers such as Rob Moore and Peter MacKay and their old boss whats his name?
Mike Archibald
@David Sampson Labels mean
nothing anymore because they vary pretty much by who you are talking
to. For one thing, combining social issues with economic issues makes
it so murky as to be nonsensical.
There is virtually nobody out there who wants 'big government', they simply want government to do what it is supposed to do.
In nb we had two party's who were fine with not funding abortions. That makes the liberals even more 'right wing' than the federal conservatives, who shut down people in their own party who even wanted to bring the subject up.
In nb we have liberal and conservative parties who have no problem making panhandling illegal, despite the fact two other provinces have verified the Supreme Court's claim that it is constitutionally protected free speech, and its legal in every other province. Again, thats more right wing on the liberal party than the federal conservatives.
On economic policies you have the liberals who don't want fracking because its dangerous, but who had no problem trying to sell a publicly owned utility-and you don't get any more 'right wing' than selling public assets.
All parties in the province have little trouble with the pipeline, they are all for wiping out the forests for Irvings benefit. The language has changed so much that 'left wing' is supposed to simply mean 'being nicer to minorities'.
New Brunswick usually splits its vote, but the southern ridings mostly came within strking distance of winning their seats, and if the carbon tax can be pinned on the feds rather than the province, then we can maybe see some changes next election.
There is virtually nobody out there who wants 'big government', they simply want government to do what it is supposed to do.
In nb we had two party's who were fine with not funding abortions. That makes the liberals even more 'right wing' than the federal conservatives, who shut down people in their own party who even wanted to bring the subject up.
In nb we have liberal and conservative parties who have no problem making panhandling illegal, despite the fact two other provinces have verified the Supreme Court's claim that it is constitutionally protected free speech, and its legal in every other province. Again, thats more right wing on the liberal party than the federal conservatives.
On economic policies you have the liberals who don't want fracking because its dangerous, but who had no problem trying to sell a publicly owned utility-and you don't get any more 'right wing' than selling public assets.
All parties in the province have little trouble with the pipeline, they are all for wiping out the forests for Irvings benefit. The language has changed so much that 'left wing' is supposed to simply mean 'being nicer to minorities'.
New Brunswick usually splits its vote, but the southern ridings mostly came within strking distance of winning their seats, and if the carbon tax can be pinned on the feds rather than the province, then we can maybe see some changes next election.
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald Oh My My You
ignore me but try hard to get last word EH? Perhaps folks to should
Google my name to see that I am ahead of you again N'esy Pas?
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald How many comments of mine do ya think your CBC friends
@Mike Archibald How many comments of mine do ya think your CBC friends blocked this time?
Mike Archibald
@Mario Doucet The details
of the comment are not correct, but the politics is. Politics 101 is
that you don't do favours you don't have to. Back when there were
minority governments the idea was floated for a federal 'maritime party'
to act much like the Bloc Quebecois. That way, the region suddenly
becomes more important, particularly during minority governments.
The simply fact is that unless elections are very close, no party needs the maritimes, and so Trudeau knows as well as harper that he'll probably hold onto a few ridings even if he went around saying were were drunk idiots.
There are research instititutes in southern ontario which don't even produce anything but get more federal funding than most maritime provinces. There was a little acoa money for some cancer research, but I haven't seen much funding in any important area in the maritimes.
But of course voters don't 'get what they deserve' when you only have one vote and an electoral system that typically means that vote is wasted
The simply fact is that unless elections are very close, no party needs the maritimes, and so Trudeau knows as well as harper that he'll probably hold onto a few ridings even if he went around saying were were drunk idiots.
There are research instititutes in southern ontario which don't even produce anything but get more federal funding than most maritime provinces. There was a little acoa money for some cancer research, but I haven't seen much funding in any important area in the maritimes.
But of course voters don't 'get what they deserve' when you only have one vote and an electoral system that typically means that vote is wasted
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald You talk the talk but how many times did you run for public office in the Maritimes?
Anne Bochan
Sorry Rona. you and your
former leader lost the trust of Atlantic Canada and you are not going to
get it back until all of you are gone and a new and different group who
have some feeling for people and not just corporations forms and proves
that they are not just the same wolves in sheeps clothng.
Colin Seeley
@Anne Bochan
Wynne is bankrupting Ontario and is placing burdens on the working stiffs. Same for New Brunswick .
Not much feeling in Liberal Ontario or Liberal anywhere.
Trump economy will hammer Canada and the Liberals will march on holier-than -thou smug in their own minds.
A good Tory will clean these foolish don quixote's out @ the next election.
Corporations are our only hope for jobs. Govt is not the answer especially ones throwing money about.
Wynne is bankrupting Ontario and is placing burdens on the working stiffs. Same for New Brunswick .
Not much feeling in Liberal Ontario or Liberal anywhere.
Trump economy will hammer Canada and the Liberals will march on holier-than -thou smug in their own minds.
A good Tory will clean these foolish don quixote's out @ the next election.
Corporations are our only hope for jobs. Govt is not the answer especially ones throwing money about.
bren hynes
@Anne Bochan and how did
they lose it? By extending ei? By allowing regions and provinces to take
control of federal docks and infrastructure that the previous liberals
slates for demolition?
Steve jensen
@Anne Bochan
How are the liberals doing for the people? taxes up, carbon tax coming and corporations leaving to the U.S. where there is no carbon tax and reduced corporate taxes. I would rather have the uncaring unfeeling corporations that employ me than a selfie from Trudeau.
How are the liberals doing for the people? taxes up, carbon tax coming and corporations leaving to the U.S. where there is no carbon tax and reduced corporate taxes. I would rather have the uncaring unfeeling corporations that employ me than a selfie from Trudeau.
Ron MacCarthy
@Anne Bochan So true!
Arved Sandstrom
@Colin Seeley - let's be a
bit more precise. Private enterprise is how you generate jobs, for the
most part. I dislike the term "corporation" because although it is a
legal term it often refers to a large business corporation in the
vernacular. And large business corporations more often than not are not
doing us too many favours. A reasonable mix of businesses - very small
(say 10-15 people or less0, small, medium and large is what is needed.
The problem with governments (and this is true at all levels and in all countries) is that they fixate on the big companies. You end up with incentive wars to create sizeable job increases (or save jobs) - payroll rebates, grants, loans that are virtually gifts, tax cuts etc. This is what Trump did with Carrier. Every provincial government in NS (PC, Liberal, NDP) has pursued these policies - it is true in all other provinces too. Yet most jobs are created by considerably smaller operations.
I do agree that government is not the answer
The problem with governments (and this is true at all levels and in all countries) is that they fixate on the big companies. You end up with incentive wars to create sizeable job increases (or save jobs) - payroll rebates, grants, loans that are virtually gifts, tax cuts etc. This is what Trump did with Carrier. Every provincial government in NS (PC, Liberal, NDP) has pursued these policies - it is true in all other provinces too. Yet most jobs are created by considerably smaller operations.
I do agree that government is not the answer
Anne Bochan
@Steve jensen they were
penalizing people for speaking out and asking questions about their
government, for starters. It is funny, but Atlantic Canadians seem to be
touchy about democracy. They don't like it when the Federal government
sics the CRA on legitimate charitable orginazations who facilitate other
organizations who point out flaws in government policies that affects
the lives of the vulnerable. 'They notice that a lot and they don't like
it one bit. It sticks in their craw. It doesn't seem to matter as much
in the rest of Canada for some reason, but well it should.
While the Conservatives were in there was nobody employing anybody in Atlantic Canada because all the money was being sent to the oil patch hand over fist and eventually out of the country to the likes of the Koch brothers who didn't really need our tax dollars but took them anyway just for the heck of it. Something about that rankles Atlantic Canadians a tad.
While the Conservatives were in there was nobody employing anybody in Atlantic Canada because all the money was being sent to the oil patch hand over fist and eventually out of the country to the likes of the Koch brothers who didn't really need our tax dollars but took them anyway just for the heck of it. Something about that rankles Atlantic Canadians a tad.
Arved Sandstrom
@Anne Bochan - your sarcasm may go over a few heads.
David Raymond Amos
@Arved Sandstrom Wrong
Methinks the folks with two clues did not find it humourous tis all.
Methinks the folks with two clues did not find it humourous tis all.
@Christopher Chafe You mean Alberta? I think it has been huuuuuuge.
Rick martin
the only thing atlantic
Canada had going for it was resources now with coal mining banned and
some offshore areas protected that limits our oil exploration all we
have left is fishing and lumber industry till the government cuts down
the quotas then we will have next to nothing
Mike Archibald
@Rick martin You might want
to take a look at employment figures. Resource jobs have been
decreasing for fifty years. Coal isn't banned, its just not economical.
There are countries which have no resources but have more wealth than
the maritimes. The hope with immigrants is that because we have failed so badly in
training people with actual skills, the feds hope to get those trained
in other countries. They learned that within Canada, not enough people
in alberta, just wait for maritimers to show up. They are just
expanding that to the international stage and need to look further
afield after that fiasco a few years ago when mexicans went back home
and told everybody what lousy working conditions existed in Canada
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald Explain coal in Minto then
Eric Earls
I wonder if the Maritimes
realized they were voting for a "progressive" agenda, that would see the
UN, foreign countries and foreign citizens be given "investment"
priority over the needs of the Canadian east coast citizens.
Kevin Bell
@Eric Earls
I thought it was the Albertans that were neglected? Jeesh, get your stories straight. Pick a downtrodden repressed area of the country and run with it...
I thought it was the Albertans that were neglected? Jeesh, get your stories straight. Pick a downtrodden repressed area of the country and run with it...
Bert van
@Eric Earls You mean like to
last government that flooded the country with foreign workers and sold
citizenship to the highest bidder?
David Raymond Amos
@Eric Earls In a word NOPE
In case ya didn't know the Maritimers voted Harper and all his cohorts out You do remember him don't ya? Harper was the dude who called us defeatists in 2003 EH?
In case ya didn't know the Maritimers voted Harper and all his cohorts out You do remember him don't ya? Harper was the dude who called us defeatists in 2003 EH?
Mike Archibald
@Eric Earls At this point I'm
not convinced anybody expects much of anything from the federal
government. Trudeau is 'almost' as bad, but thats still not 'as bad'.
And at the very least, we may still get legalized pot out of it, which
makes a lot of things at least 'seem' less bad!
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald Not funny Lots of us don't smoke dope Mikey Hence we see things through the red haze you kids support
Anthony Laface
Atlantic Canada thought that they would get a better shake with the Libs. How's that working out for you?
David Raymond Amos
@Anthony Laface Did you
Conservative sorelosers bother to notice that even Alberta went NDP and
that every province east of Manitoba now has a Liebrano mandate?
Methinks it was not because the Red Coats are so great it was because Harper and his cronies were that bad. N'esy Pas?
Methinks it was not because the Red Coats are so great it was because Harper and his cronies were that bad. N'esy Pas?
Christopher Chafe
@David Raymond Amos Goes to show Atlantic Canadians can not handle the truth!
David Raymond Amos
@Christopher Chafe What do you think know of the folks in my neighourhood?
I am a PROUD Maritimer and my Clan's Motto is Veritas Vincit
FYI To give the devil his due anytime during Harper's mandate I could call the PMO and always get through. Harper's people always wanted to know what I was saying. Now that Trudeau" The Younger" has the mandate nobody will come to the phone. Go Figure.
As the comment sections close. I am comfortable knowing that my political foe Rob Moore and the Liberal lawyers as well will read every word that CBC allowed me to post in here and then compare it to my blog in order to view what CBC blocked. That is what political lawyers do. They cannot afford not knowing. N'esy Pas?
I am a PROUD Maritimer and my Clan's Motto is Veritas Vincit
Christopher Chafe
@Arved Sandstrom take a trip
to my home province (NL) and you will see exactly what Harper was
referring to, unless you are blind and refuse to see what is in front of
you.
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David Raymond Amos
@Christopher Chafe Say what
you wish about the Maritimes. You have that right At least I know not
all of us are defeatists as Harper claimed many Moons ago. Another
political foe of mine Danny Boy Millions proved that in spades to harper
with his ABC campaign. Remember?
FYI To give the devil his due anytime during Harper's mandate I could call the PMO and always get through. Harper's people always wanted to know what I was saying. Now that Trudeau" The Younger" has the mandate nobody will come to the phone. Go Figure.
As the comment sections close. I am comfortable knowing that my political foe Rob Moore and the Liberal lawyers as well will read every word that CBC allowed me to post in here and then compare it to my blog in order to view what CBC blocked. That is what political lawyers do. They cannot afford not knowing. N'esy Pas?
Ed Jackson
The single best way for the
NDP and the Cons to get traction in the Maritimes is to let Trudeau's
plan run it's course. Extra taxes, more regulation on industry, health
cuts, loss of international competitiveness and watching billions of tax
dollars flow to every warm and fuzzy global initiative possible while
bypassing Canadian regions in need.... this will make the opposition
look like a much better option.
Arved Sandstrom
@Ed Jackson - those are nice
thoughts, Ed, but JT cannot really make things worse in the Atlantic
provinces than they are now. The structural problems here are not ones
that can be solved by governments, and JT has no better chance than
Harper or Martin or Chretien or Mulroney. Few of the Atlantic Canadian
premiers have ever done well either.
The state of the Atlantic Canadian economy has nothing to do with the willingness of locals to work or produce or contribute. We are not welfare types, never have been. Except we are in something of a glacial-speed economic collapse: only 5% of the workforce can fish or log or farm or mine, we can hardly be better than anyone else at IT, tourism only takes you so far, and name something we can manufacture that can't be manufactured cheaper somewhere else.
At this stage of the game nobody in Atlantic Canada would believe the Cons. Just the same way we don't believe the Liberals or NDP.
The state of the Atlantic Canadian economy has nothing to do with the willingness of locals to work or produce or contribute. We are not welfare types, never have been. Except we are in something of a glacial-speed economic collapse: only 5% of the workforce can fish or log or farm or mine, we can hardly be better than anyone else at IT, tourism only takes you so far, and name something we can manufacture that can't be manufactured cheaper somewhere else.
At this stage of the game nobody in Atlantic Canada would believe the Cons. Just the same way we don't believe the Liberals or NDP.
Mike Archibald
@Arved Sandstrom That's true
of any government. Its well known that in Canada people don't vote 'for'
candidates but rather 'against' them. Last election saw an upswing of
young voters and ndp'ers who may have switched, and I suspect its true
that they won't bother showing up at the next election, unless the
conservatives get a Trump of their own, and once again voters will show
to vote against a candidate.
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David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald What planet
are you from? The the Narcissistic Buffoon Trump would not have had a
prayer of getting elected in Canada
David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Well now
that CBC is blocking me AGAIN I will quit for the evening. Trust that I
will email blog and tweet about my distain about its obvious political
malice.
In closing I must ask the obvious question Did CBC really not expect me to comment against their praise of the lawyer I ran against twice in Fundy Royal?
In closing I must ask the obvious question Did CBC really not expect me to comment against their praise of the lawyer I ran against twice in Fundy Royal?
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Why did
CBC block my comment in response to Archibald's about Trump but allow
all the other comments of mine to stand the test of time? Does Mikey
work for CBC?
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David Raymond Amos
@David Raymond Amos Oh My My CBC is busy blocking me today EH?
@David Raymond Amos FYI I created the blog I promised and have been Tweeting about it as well to YOUR Bosses
Stanley Beemish
When the family can't find a job for the red headed stepchild they talk Rona into hiring him instead?
@Stanley Beemish - I wouldn't
be so cynical. The man was an MP, is still resident in Saint John NB,
he probably has good contacts and is a valuable resource. I'd keep him
around too.
David Raymond Amos
@Arved Sandstrom True
David Raymond Amos
@Arved Sandstrom Excuse my Faux Pas I meant to agree with Mr Beemish not you
Stanley Beemish
@Arved Sandstrom Was an MP.
The good people of Fundy Royal chose not to re-elect him, valuable
resource or not. It is obviously up to his replacement to provide those
contacts and resources. It's not like Mr. harper is all that available
lately...
Caption should read " Still at the trough"
David Raymond Amos
@Robert L. Brown YUP
Chris Hansen
The peoples state media loves
all of the low information voters (Liberals) making comments on
Conservative articles. Fuuny how we often can't comment on things the
actual PM is doing. Its almost as if CBC has an agenda.
Dave MacDonald
@Chris Hansen
I can't believe anyone actually thumbed yuo down.
I can't believe anyone actually thumbed yuo down.
Arved Sandstrom
@Chris Hansen - "low
information"? Are you seriously suggesting that card-carrying
Conservatives and PCs actually are better informed than card carrying
Liberals? I say "card-carrying" to remind you of the fact that about 1%
of Canadians actually care about parties to the extent that they know
anything about a local riding organization, maybe 25% of Canadians have
some biases (strong or mild) towards one party or another, and the rest
don't care. Hmmm, come to think of it, about half of all potential
voters don't.
I suggest to you, my friend, that well over 90 percent of all potential voters who may lean Conservative couldn't care less about news period. They are rather more interested in sports and entertainment on TV. To the extent that that includes US right-wing talk show hosts, yes, there is some pseudo-information.
"People's state media"? LOL. You're kidding, right? Under every government since the CBC was created the CBC has clearly dissed all administrations, and reported on all administrations. You clearly haven't followed it - I have since the 1960's. Dream on, dude.
I suggest to you, my friend, that well over 90 percent of all potential voters who may lean Conservative couldn't care less about news period. They are rather more interested in sports and entertainment on TV. To the extent that that includes US right-wing talk show hosts, yes, there is some pseudo-information.
"People's state media"? LOL. You're kidding, right? Under every government since the CBC was created the CBC has clearly dissed all administrations, and reported on all administrations. You clearly haven't followed it - I have since the 1960's. Dream on, dude.
David Raymond Amos
@Chris Hansen Perhaps you should try Googling CBC Fundy Royal
then Fundy Royal Debate
Who was CBC protecting then?
then Fundy Royal Debate
Who was CBC protecting then?
Mike Archibald
@Chris Hansen 'bias' is
not 'an agenda'. But there have been no lack of articles on things the
pm has been doing which commenting was allowed. Commenting itself is a
weird wild thing with CBC, when even the national post and globe and
mail can do it better than cbc, then that doesn't say much about an
organization supposedly the 'national' broadcaster which supposedly
wants to hear from the population. Anybody that doesn't think cbc has a
bias, should go listen to "the Current' from about a month ago when the
flagship show interviewed Trudeau, and it was such an embarassing
softball extravaganza that dozens of usually low key supporters came out
of the woodwork to criticize the show.
But the insults are really unwarranted, if you want to criticize cbc, go to it, but dragging in a whole section of the electorate really doesn't make your comment stand out.
But the insults are really unwarranted, if you want to criticize cbc, go to it, but dragging in a whole section of the electorate really doesn't make your comment stand out.
David Raymond Amos
@Mike Archibald Howcome you can say stuff against your buddies in CBC?
david herman
Excuse me..did Ambrose
actually use the word 'trust'?..that is just like a quebecer using the
word 'bi-lingual'=it doesn't make any sense=NO validity to it.
Arved Sandstrom
@david herman - give Rona
some credit. She was muzzled under Harper and had to be a shill. She may
be expressing her true opinions and may be sincere. Since she cannot be
leader she has no reason to be coy.
David Raymond Amos
@david herman Now thats
funny. Doya think the Proud Quebecers Mindless Mr Mulcair and his buddy
Trudeau "The Younger" understood your pun?
Ron MacCarthy
There are no opposition members because we didn't want any Harper Conservatives in the East!
We'll survive just fine without any too.
We'll survive just fine without any too.
Ian Wayne
@Ron MacCarthy
Guess you haven't paid any attention but Harper is gone.
Guess you haven't paid any attention but Harper is gone.
David Raymond Amos
@Ian Wayne Moore is just a shorter version of Harper
Kevin Bell
"The Atlantic region is hugely important to our party," said Moore.
LOL.
LOL.
David Raymond Amos
@Kevin Bell LMAO
Hugh MacDonald
"The Atlantic region is hugely important to our party," said Moore.
Apparently the Conservative and NDP parties are not hugely important to the Atlantic Region voters since the Liberals won all 32 seats in the last election.
Apparently the Conservative and NDP parties are not hugely important to the Atlantic Region voters since the Liberals won all 32 seats in the last election.
Arved Sandstrom
@Hugh MacDonald - in Atlantic
Canada the NDP have had credibility at the provincial level. Few would
vote NDP in a federal election because there would be no percentage in
doing that. Provincially and at a federal level the Atlantic provinces
flip flop Cons/PCs and Liberals - we are the ultimate swing voters.
Since we figure little in national politics or at federal level
governmental decisions, our party allegiances are slight.
David Raymond Amos
@Arved Sandstrom Did you
forget the Independents like Mean Old Me? Sometimes one of us gets
elected when folks get really upset.
BTW I can't count how many times sneaky little NDP/socialiist people have tried to have me arrested
BTW I can't count how many times sneaky little NDP/socialiist people have tried to have me arrested
Ellis Purdue
Funny how we can hand over
billions and billions to the UN under the guise of fighting 3rd world
climate change, but areas in the Maritimes and BC are still pumping
millions of litres of raw sewage into the ocean everyday. Tonnes of
human waste, mixed with prescription medication, cleaning chemicals
etc... How disgusting, unhealthy and planet killing is this practice? -
Time to invest in Canada meeting a minimum standard of pollution
control, this should be first priority over funding the Guam green
energy program.
David Raymond Amos
@Ellis Purdue What you are pointing at is my greatest concern for the well being of all our children.
Things like this are being largely ignored while the media takes of politics and more taxes because of "Climate Change"
News such as this should set off all the alarm bells a whitsles
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/dead-herring-digby-county-investigation-1.3898021
Things like this are being largely ignored while the media takes of politics and more taxes because of "Climate Change"
News such as this should set off all the alarm bells a whitsles
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/dead-herring-digby-county-investigation-1.3898021
David Raymond Amos
@Ellis Purdue This was from the CBC "News" just yesterday
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-dead-herring-lobsters-starfish-mystery-1.3914056
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/nova-scotia-dead-herring-lobsters-starfish-mystery-1.3914056
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224 Comments
David Amos
Things have changed since 2015 Methinks its strange that Rob Moore is no longer and critic of any sort for the CPC N'esy Pas?
Guy Halifax
Justin and his down homer sidekick Dominic
Leblanc throw a few scraps to clapping seals (Eastern Liberal Premiers).
Nice to see this has worked out so well for the Maritimes.
David Amos
Reply to Guy Halifax
Are you still sure about that?
DOUG Goodyear
Just glad to see Gail Shea get the boot, the only thing she supported was her own Province.
Guy Halifax
Reply to DOUG Goodyear
Fortunately for you, you're now saddled with someone who will do nothing for PEI
David Amos
Reply to Guy Halifax
History speaks for itself
Ed Vella
Bottom line is, majority governments are bad,
particularly in the manner in which they are attained with so little of
the population––39%––actually voting for them. There are no concessions
or consensus, and no negotiating as the Atlantic provinces did not
demand a better health deal. No opposition essentially means
non-inclusive, and is opposite to what Trudeau declares as he strives
for a more "inclusive" and "engaged" Canada.
David Amos
Reply to Ed Vella Oh So True
Marty Lee
David Amos
Reply to Marty Lee Trust that I reminded everyone as I ran against Rob Moore again in 2019
Ron MacCarthy
There are no opposition members because we didn't want any Harper Conservatives in the East!
We'll survive just fine without any too.
We'll survive just fine without any too.
Ian Wayne
Reply to Ron MacCarthy
Guess you haven't paid any attention but Harper is gone.
Guess you haven't paid any attention but Harper is gone.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to Ian Wayne
Moore is just a shorter version of Harper
David Amos
Reply to Ron MacCarthy Look out for 45th Parliament
Hugh MacDonald
"The Atlantic region is hugely important to our party," said Moore.
Apparently the Conservative and NDP parties are not hugely important to the Atlantic Region voters since the Liberals won all 32 seats in the last election.
Apparently the Conservative and NDP parties are not hugely important to the Atlantic Region voters since the Liberals won all 32 seats in the last election.
Arved Sandstrom
Reply to Hugh MacDonald
- in Atlantic
Canada the NDP have had credibility at the provincial level. Few would
vote NDP in a federal election because there would be no percentage in
doing that. Provincially and at a federal level the Atlantic provinces
flip flop Cons/PCs and Liberals - we are the ultimate swing voters.
Since we figure little in national politics or at federal level
governmental decisions, our party allegiances are slight.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to Arved Sandstrom
Did you
forget the Independents like Mean Old Me? Sometimes one of us gets
elected when folks get really upset.
BTW I can't count how many times sneaky little NDP/socialiist people have tried to have me arrested
BTW I can't count how many times sneaky little NDP/socialiist people have tried to have me arrested
David Amos
Reply to Hugh MacDonald Its nice to see that you are still paying attention
david herman
Excuse me..did Ambrose
actually use the word 'trust'?..that is just like a quebecer using the
word 'bi-lingual'=it doesn't make any sense=NO validity to it.
Arved Sandstrom
Reply to david herman
- give Rona
some credit. She was muzzled under Harper and had to be a shill. She may
be expressing her true opinions and may be sincere. Since she cannot be
leader she has no reason to be coy.
David Raymond Amos
Reply to david herman
Now thats
funny. Doya think the Proud Quebecers Mindless Mr Mulcair and his buddy
Trudeau "The Younger" understood your pun?
David Amos
Reply to Arved SandstromWhere is she now?
Monday 12 December 2016
Well I knew it wouldn't last CBC blocking me AGAIN
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/tax-breaks-irving-oil-1.3889095
New Brunswick Liberals could barely believe it.
After fighting throughout the 1970s with Irving Oil to force it to pay property taxes on its Canaport oil tank farm, Richard Hatfield's Progressive Conservative government was changing course.
In the summer of 1980, the government reversed its position and introduced legislation that proposed to grant the company the property tax exemption it wanted.
"They have been scrapping for some years now about their storage tanks and pipelines." then opposition Liberal MLA Doug Young observed in the legislature.
"Can the minister indicate if this is meant to relieve the taxation burden of the Irving interests?"
In fact, there was a sense that Irving Oil was in trouble that year, and it was serious enough to make Hatfield relent.
Special property tax breaks in New Brunswick have been set up to address many problems over the decades.
But when those problems changed — even disappeared — sometimes the tax breaks didn't.
That's true of the 1980 deal to lift property taxes on the crude oil tank farm, which has become one of the longest-running property tax deals in New Brunswick.
Irving Oil pushed hard to get a tax break at the tank farm for nearly a decade but the province held firm the company should pay full taxes — even taking Irving to the Supreme Court of Canada in 1975 over the issue and winning.
Irving had invested heavily in its refinery in the 1970s, twice undertaking expansions. The company also built the Canaport oil tank farm, all designed to serve U.S. markets.
Hatfield responded with the tax concession his government had long opposed.
"After the refinery was built the situation changed drastically with regard to the export of refined product to the United States," Hatfield told the legislature to explain his about-face.
"The government decided that … in view of the changing circumstances with regard to the export of refined product to the United States … that an amendment should be made to the Assessment Act.
"A number of things were taken into consideration. One was the importance of the refinery to the province of New Brunswick."
But the troubles of 1980 proved to be temporary. U.S. petroleum
markets rebounded strongly by the mid-1980s, and Irving Oil soon
prospered.
The tax exemption on the oil tank farm, however, lived on.
Finance Minister Cathy Rogers acknowledges that may be a problem.
"We do have to look at what is relevant for today's purposes," Rogers said in an interview.
"Sometimes you make a tax exemption or a tax rebate or a tax credit for a particular purpose in time, and it's important to [ask], 'Is it still serving the same purpose?'"
The province won't say what the tank concession is worth today, only that it is "substantially more" than it was in 1980.
"This information is considered confidential and should be obtained directly from the property owner," said Service New Brunswick spokeswoman Nichole Bowman.
Irving Oil did not respond to a request to participate in this story.
Rogers said that as a general rule she doesn't believe tax breaks
should continue indefinitely in the face of changing circumstances.
"It's like policy," she said.
"It's living and we have to keep making sure that it's relevant."
But government has been slow to move on old tax deals.
Several New Brunswick governments have come and gone since 1980 and none have made any changes to the tank farm tax exemption.
Last week the legislature gave third reading to a bill allowing Saint John to repeal its tax concession at the LNG site, after the city discovered Irving Oil had been collecting $12.25 million US in rent on the tax-reduced land for years.
But a lesser known and nearly as generous New Brunswick LNG concession on the same property has been left untouched.
The province granted the port of Saint John a tax exemption in 1997 to help it transition from a federally controlled to a locally controlled body.
But that exemption included non-port property owned by Irving Oil, some of which eventually became home to the LNG terminal.
That made what would have been $6.5 million in provincial property tax on the terminal uncollectable.
Rogers said her department is looking at every tax deal at once and wants to wait before taking action on any.
"We have to look at the whole, not just fragmented pieces. If you make one change it may have an unintended consequence on another," she said.
But not making changes has had unintended consequences too, in one case creating a tax break that has managed to live decades longer than the problem it was meant to help solve.
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Irving Oil's tank farm and the tax break that keeps on giving
Some tax exemptions can live long after the problem they were designed to help goes away
By Robert Jones, CBC News Posted: Dec 12, 2016 6:03 AM AT
Irving Oil and the New Brunswick government squabbled in
the 1970s over whether the company should get a property tax exemption
for its storage tanks on the outskirts of Saint John. The exemption was
finally adopted in 1980 and has stayed put ever since. (CBC)
New Brunswick Liberals could barely believe it.
After fighting throughout the 1970s with Irving Oil to force it to pay property taxes on its Canaport oil tank farm, Richard Hatfield's Progressive Conservative government was changing course.
In the summer of 1980, the government reversed its position and introduced legislation that proposed to grant the company the property tax exemption it wanted.
"They have been scrapping for some years now about their storage tanks and pipelines." then opposition Liberal MLA Doug Young observed in the legislature.
"Can the minister indicate if this is meant to relieve the taxation burden of the Irving interests?"
Irving became vulnerable
A tax exemption for Irving Oil's tank farm
took shape in 1980. The company had completed a Saint John refinery
expansion just as a worldwide oil crisis began to unfold, so the New
Brunswick government stepped in to help. (CBC)
Special property tax breaks in New Brunswick have been set up to address many problems over the decades.
But when those problems changed — even disappeared — sometimes the tax breaks didn't.
That's true of the 1980 deal to lift property taxes on the crude oil tank farm, which has become one of the longest-running property tax deals in New Brunswick.
Crisis soon ended
The troubles faced by Irving Oil were serious but also short-lived. Still, decades later the tax deal is still in place.'A number of things were taken into consideration. One was the importance of the refinery to the province of New Brunswick.' - Richard Hatfield, former premierThe history of the deal is well documented in old court decisions and New Brunswick legislature transcripts.
Irving Oil pushed hard to get a tax break at the tank farm for nearly a decade but the province held firm the company should pay full taxes — even taking Irving to the Supreme Court of Canada in 1975 over the issue and winning.
Irving had invested heavily in its refinery in the 1970s, twice undertaking expansions. The company also built the Canaport oil tank farm, all designed to serve U.S. markets.
Consumption down
But a worldwide oil crisis in 1979 put Irving Oil in a difficult spot. Soaring crude prices drove petroleum consumption in North America down heavily and Irving Oil appeared genuinely vulnerable.
For years, former premier Richard Hatfield
opposed concessions for Irving Oil's tank farm but changed his mind when
the company appeared to be in trouble. (CBC)
"After the refinery was built the situation changed drastically with regard to the export of refined product to the United States," Hatfield told the legislature to explain his about-face.
"The government decided that … in view of the changing circumstances with regard to the export of refined product to the United States … that an amendment should be made to the Assessment Act.
"A number of things were taken into consideration. One was the importance of the refinery to the province of New Brunswick."
Troubles didn't last
Believing Irving Oil needed help, the government gave it a break on taxes valued at up to $500,000 per year.
The provincial government at the time said it
was thinking of the importance of U.S. markets, among other things,
when it established a tax exemption. (CBC)
The tax exemption on the oil tank farm, however, lived on.
Finance Minister Cathy Rogers acknowledges that may be a problem.
Considering side-effects
Property tax concessions: What you need to know2:30
"Sometimes you make a tax exemption or a tax rebate or a tax credit for a particular purpose in time, and it's important to [ask], 'Is it still serving the same purpose?'"
The province won't say what the tank concession is worth today, only that it is "substantially more" than it was in 1980.
"This information is considered confidential and should be obtained directly from the property owner," said Service New Brunswick spokeswoman Nichole Bowman.
Irving Oil did not respond to a request to participate in this story.
Prefers evolving tax policy
Finance Minister Cathy Rogers says the
durability of a tax exemption granted because of a long-ago oil crisis
may be a problem and will be part of a review of all tax deals the
province has with various sectors. (Shane Fowler/CBC)
"It's like policy," she said.
"It's living and we have to keep making sure that it's relevant."
But government has been slow to move on old tax deals.
Several New Brunswick governments have come and gone since 1980 and none have made any changes to the tank farm tax exemption.
Not part of cost-cutting exercise
And Rogers acknowledged that the Gallant government itself did not look seriously at the tax break during last year's comprehensive "strategic program review."'If you make one change it may have an unintended consequence on another.' - Cathy Rogers, finance ministerThis year the province also steered well clear of a second Irving Oil tax break embroiled in controversy — a little known provincial connection to the Canaport LNG properties
Last week the legislature gave third reading to a bill allowing Saint John to repeal its tax concession at the LNG site, after the city discovered Irving Oil had been collecting $12.25 million US in rent on the tax-reduced land for years.
Still a favoured place
The province agreed to let the City of Saint
John repeal a tax concession at the Canaport LNG site, but a provincial
concession on the same property remains. (CBC)
The province granted the port of Saint John a tax exemption in 1997 to help it transition from a federally controlled to a locally controlled body.
But that exemption included non-port property owned by Irving Oil, some of which eventually became home to the LNG terminal.
That made what would have been $6.5 million in provincial property tax on the terminal uncollectable.
Provincial break lives on
Although helping Saint John repeal its tax concession, the province has not done the same.Rogers said her department is looking at every tax deal at once and wants to wait before taking action on any.
"We have to look at the whole, not just fragmented pieces. If you make one change it may have an unintended consequence on another," she said.
But not making changes has had unintended consequences too, in one case creating a tax break that has managed to live decades longer than the problem it was meant to help solve.
Edited and packaged: Connie Camp
Video by Paul Hantiuk and Earl Cabuhat
To encourage thoughtful and respectful conversations, first and last names will appear with each submission to CBC/Radio-Canada's online communities (except in children and youth-oriented communities). Pseudonyms will no longer be permitted.
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Cam Randal
When the oil crisis of the
late 70's and early 80's ended, the tax breaks should have also ceased.
The tax breaks for the Irving Corporation has gone on way too long.
The government and the citizens of New Brunswick should demand an end to the special tax deals for this multi-million dollar empire.
The politicians do not have the courage to stand up to big business, so it is up to the citizens to put an end to the generosity.
The government and the citizens of New Brunswick should demand an end to the special tax deals for this multi-million dollar empire.
The politicians do not have the courage to stand up to big business, so it is up to the citizens to put an end to the generosity.
David Raymond Amos
@Cam Randal Why do you think I ran for Public office FIVE times?
Better yet ask your self why CBC denied that I did?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
Better yet ask your self why CBC denied that I did?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fundy-royal-riding-profile-1.3274276
David Raymond Amos
@Cam Randal Well I knew it
would last CBC is back to blocking me again. Imagine Methinks I was dumb
to sing CBC praises earlier today because it had been allowing my
comments but I can always change the title of my blog EH?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-historic-tax-concessions-1.3887534
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/wow-cbc-allowd-comment-of-mine-out-of.html
At least folks can see this comment within one of my many blogs about the maice of in a heartbeat even if CBC does not allow it in here. EH?
Anyway is one of the many reasons why CBC ignores it mandate and acts very unethically against mean old me N'esy Pas Hubby Baby LaCroix and Minister Melanie Joly?
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/new-brunswick-historic-tax-concessions-1.3887534
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/wow-cbc-allowd-comment-of-mine-out-of.html
At least folks can see this comment within one of my many blogs about the maice of in a heartbeat even if CBC does not allow it in here. EH?
Anyway is one of the many reasons why CBC ignores it mandate and acts very unethically against mean old me N'esy Pas Hubby Baby LaCroix and Minister Melanie Joly?
Fundy Royal, New Brunswick Debate – Federal Elections 2015 - The Local Campaign, Rogers TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cFOKT6TlSE
Freddy Rose
"Irving Oil did not respond to a request to participate in this story.
Prefe"
I wonder if this story is being carried anywhere else in the province? Maybe in the newspapers?
LOL
Prefe"
I wonder if this story is being carried anywhere else in the province? Maybe in the newspapers?
LOL
Content disabled.
David Raymond Amos
@Freddy Rose Watch for the Empire's newsrags spin on their greed and how they will influence the LIEbranos tomorrow though
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David Raymond Amos
@Freddy Rose FYI CBC's questionable moderators and their malevolent bosses know that what you cannot you cannot see here can be viewed elsewhere
@Freddy Rose FYI CBC's questionable moderators and their malevolent bosses know that what you cannot you cannot see here can be viewed elsewhere
http://davidraymondamos3.blogspot.ca/2016/12/well-i-kne-it-wouldnt-last-cbc-blocking.html
Yet they block me anyway N'esy Pas Minister Melanie Joly?
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